TechCorner - Using a ColorChecker with Capture One
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this Tech Corner video I show you step by step how to use the X-Rite ColorChecker in your Capture One workflow for perfect color every time.
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Thanks alot for this video
Thank you! After all these years, I've finally invested in Capture One and this helps me out a great deal.
Glad it helps. Let me know if there is anything else you would like me to cover
@@MartyKPhotography Yes sir.
The best explanation I have found for using the Colour Checker with Capture One, thanks for the video.
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing, now I know how to work with ColorChecker and CO1. Thank you for sharing
Glad you found it helpful
I found the video very useful. It seems I have little different Capture version, but the described workflow works on ver. 22 also. The process cant be repeated with Spyder Checkr calibration card and software, at least with the one I have, but with X-Rite it works. The reason is that the Spyder does generate an icc profile. It only produces calibration files for Adobe which are not suitable for SaptureOne.
excellent tutorial. Thank you
Great tutorial, very clear and easy to follow. Thank you so much!
Do you do any editing to the source raw file (ie. exposure or WB) before exporting to TIFF?
can I use Datacolor Spyder Checkr 24 on calibrate color checker software?
great stuff :)
😮Hi Marty,
I would like to use the new tethering option with Capture one and the Ipad app and use my X Rite colour checker to obtain accurate colours
Will all the adjustments you mention re not selecting a profile or S curve still apply when using this new app.
Hi, Just downloaded Cap One and following you step by step to learn. Nowhere I can find "PROCESS RECIPES" ?
In this video it is base characteristics that you need to change. They are found in the "Style" tab of the latest C1
Why should we create a profile every and each situation? wouldn't be fine to create one profile (sensor+lens) with flash and then apply this to all the photo sessions after that?.. the only thing that should be adjusted would be the WB, right?
Hi Jose, great question. The reason for generating the profile each time is that your modifiers, especially anything with diffusion like softboxes and stripboxes can also cause a colour cast.
If you have only a handful of equipment, it would be fine to just create a profile for each combination but if you have multiple lights, modifiers, lenses, and maybe cameras, it becomes far easier to just create a new profile each time rather than trying to manage and keep track of all the different icc profiles for all the combinations of gear.
@@MartyKPhotography Thank you so much for your answer.. really appreciated. :)
Very useful ! Liked and subscribed ! ;)
Quick question though, why do I need to create this ICC profile if I choose a standard one for processing like Adobe 98 ? Is this only to apply on the raw file, then export as a tiff adobe 98 ?
In the same way as you calibrate your monitor and/or printer, your camera is not perfect when it comes to reproducing all the colours. Creating this ICC profile is basically color calibrating your camera in the same way you would calibrate your monitor. This ensures you are starting with correct colors. Abobe98 is just a colour space (how many colors are used) and not the accuracy of the camera's interpretation of all the colors.
Unlike a monitor or printer calibration which once set can be used for an extended period of time, you should use a color checker profile every time you change your lighting setup. This means you could have a number of ICC profiles per shoot depending on how much you change your lights.
sorry that does not work this way for Capture One. You always end with greyish Blacks compared to C1 original profiles using the Xrite / Calibrite software. Why? Xrite does not take aware of the non standard C1 icc profiles... which include a bit of the tonal curve near Black too. Why C1 does not take care of the wrong done Xrite app... who knows... For other raw converters no problems... all others work with standard icc profiles.
Does it matter if the TIFF is processed as Adobe RGB vs SRGB? Images will be used for web, would I want to make a TIFF recipe in the SRGB space?
It is best practice to always edit as 16 bit and AdobeRGB, even if the final image will be down scaled to 8 bit sRGB. This helps your editing software produce the best results. If you start with the lower quality, your software has less information to work with during editing and retouching, and you final image will be of a lesser quality.
I have the Datacolor checker 24 and trying to use on Capture One 20 but didn't succeed. On the Datacolor checker set the output file as is in your video ( C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\colorI) but didn't recognize. As I can see the output file is a different file type saved by Datacolor which is XML, not ICC file. In your video you said that doesn't matter which one are using, the workflow is the same. Do you have an idea how can succeed to use the Datacolor checker on Capture One 20? Thank you for your answer!
Hi Bela, you need to output the profile as ICC. ICC is the standard for colour profiles so your software should have an option to output as ICC. XML will not work.
Keep me posted on how you go.
I have the same problem too. Datacolor software (Spyder checkr 1.4) not supports ICC profile so had to switching to X-Rite ColorCheker.
@@MartyKPhotography Thank you for the answer, so need to switch to X-Rite color checker!
So looking at the Spyder software, it doesn't look like it can create an ICC profile which is very surprising since ICC is the industry standard for colour profiles. I have always used X-rite products so have not come across this issue.
Marty, thank you so much for your video. I have one question and recommendation. The question is related with using grey card besides the color checker card. Through my research I have found some people using both, what is your opinion on that? My recommendation is about enhancing the menu you are using, I think it would help if viewers could it see it bigger, even If i can follow you through your own words. again, thank you very much.
The beauty of creating a custom ICC profile with the ColorChecker is that it takes care of your white balance and colour correction all in the one step. So no need for a separate grey card. You do need to be shooting in RAW for all this to work though. If you are shooting JPEG then you would need to use a grey card to get a custom white balance on location.
If you are using the ColorChecker, the white balance chips are in the top half of the checker. The two middle rows in the top half are all for white balance which is what a grey card is used for. The first square in the second row from the top and the middle square in the third row are neutral grey, and can be used for setting white balance so need for an additional grey card, although the ColourChecker does also has a grey card on the back.
Hope that helps. Let me know if that has answered your question.
@@MartyKPhotography Dear Marty, thank you so much for your words, it makes total sense. I am shooting raw, Aptus 65S with a Mamiya RZ system. It's great and I love the outcome but It's a strange combination when it comes to C1 because it does not have information regarding aperture, time, it's still very manual procedure. For that reason, and because It's something still new to me, I am always full of doubts. One other question: I do a lot of work with painters taking pictures of their paintings. In case pictures go for catalogs they should be with Kodak's color card so that printers can have a reference. Do you have any experience regarding this? I wonder how this goes with color checker. Again, thank you so much for your time and keep the good work.
I don't have much experience with Kodak color card, but from what I can see it works the same way as the ColorChecker, it's just made by a different company, Kodak in this case. Spyder also has their own color checker cards.
Mamiya RZ is an amazing camera. I sometimes shoot with the RB67 bur would love to get the RZ at some point. Even if C1 doesn't translate all the metadata for you, using a ColorChecker will still work, because you are creating a custom color profile, not relying on a pre existing one.
Glad you like this channel.
Can I use the colour checker passport 2 for video?
Hi Jaxon, The calibration software only support the photo calibration targets. The checker for video has completely different chips that are designed for exposure as well as skin tones and color for use with a vectorscope.
MartyK Photography thanks for your reply
Do you use the same ICC color profile when you process the image?
No. when processing your images, you have to use one of the standard ICC profiles. If you are processing jpegs for web use, use the sRGB profile.
Creating custom ICC profile for editing allows your software to make sure the colours in your image are accurate. When exporting, even to sRGB JPEG, Capture1 will use your custom ICC profile to export correct colours.
Hi Marty. One question: why choose linear? Is there any particular reason?
Hi Joao, For the ICC profile you want to start with the most neutral and accurate color representation of your camera. Linear curve is a straight line, without any preset adjustments. It"s similar to the way curves work in PS. When you add a curves adjustment layer, its a straight line from bottom left, to top right. That's a linear curve.
Once you have an accurate ICC color profile, you can then select one of the other curves to enhance the look, but linear makes sure you are starting from the most neutral setting.
Let me know if that makes sense.
@@MartyKPhotography Why don't you stay in the linear curve, since the ICC profile was created for this curve? Shouldn't you by any chance set exposures for the linear curve and stay in it already?
You don't have to do that thing with your hands.
Lmao, that blue chip looks glossy after the profile was applied.