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⁴ᴷ Scenes from the Abandoned Upper Level of Myrtle Avenue Station
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2016
- The NY Transit Museum runs walking tours of the elevated lines in the area around the Myrtle Avenue Station. As part of the tour, attendees can visit the abandoned upper level of the Myrtle Avenue station.
The name of the tour is "Ghosts of the Elevated: Myrtle Avenue & Williamsburg" and is led by the excellent Michael Morgenthal. Tickets can be bought from the museum's website: web.mta.info/mta/museum/programs.
The upper level is 100% safe, as there are secure railings to keep people on the platform.
The upper level of Myrtle Avenue served Myrtle Avenue El trains bound for downtown Brooklyn. When the line south of Myrtle Avenue was discontinued on October 4th, 1969, the upper level was abandoned, but not torn down. Later on, a maintainers quarters and signal relay room was built on the platform.
Taken on March 13th, 2016.
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Abandoned stations are always very interesting
+hockeyboss 689 Yup!
@DJ Hammers Trains ok
I've always wondered why they didn't keep this working for Myrtle Shuttle runs. It would have made more sense when the M is short turned here, versus crossing tracks at grade level and making a J wait....
Yo! This is my old childhood Brooklyn neighborhood and subway stop! I remember as a little kid always going to this station to catch the (J), (M) or (Z) trains. And I also remember seeing the stairway to the old abandon Myrtle Avenue and Broadway stop, always thinking on how it would look up there and wondering on why was it closed. Now I know. Man, and the neighborhood brings back memories too. Awesome video!
+Manhattankid10 So glad you liked the video! Be sure to share it!!
I rode the 1300 series gate cars in the 1950's as a kid to Jay St just for fun and later rode the Q cars to George Westinghouse V.& T.H.S. from Jay St in the 60's this line should never have been taken away from the people was a great line.
+Carl “sparky” Mac Definitely!
By 1970 they tore down the whole track from downtown Brooklyn all the way 1 myrtle & Broadway...it was the EL train train was running through the highest level back in the myrtle platform
That is correct. It was the very last rapid transit line anywhere in North America to use wooden bodied equipment.
@@1575murraythe MJ train!!
I've missed the Old Myrtle Avenue Elevated Line in Brooklyn New York
the sad part is that the j line was elevated all the way to I think 168th St Jamaica Ave, and don't why the MTA. they built a tunnel and it ends by Persons. It was better elevated brings back memories I used to wait for my dad at the 168 and queensblvd when he came from work from Delancy, and I sometimes i would take the train from sutphin so I can see the roof of the apartment.
i love this and your uploads
+Brandon Berdoana Hahaha thanks so much!
"One last thing to show you. Right where we're standing!"
What was that one last thing?
We dont know and maby we will Never know :(
It was the meaning of life.
We'll never know it now
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Awesome video
Hopefully, this upper level of the abandoned station will make used as a park or mini path even a sitting area.
Good vid enjoyed it a lot.
+vsizzle Thanks!
Very interesting, glad it's still here today
+rafael asuncionXD (broniesrock285) Thanks!
Dj Hammers your welcome
I was 6 years old when my grandfather took me from Fresh Pond road to Jay street via upper level. there were posters announcing public hearings regarding the proposed abandonment of the line. Oct 1969 was final run I think
+tom gioia Very interesting! I wish I could have gotten a chance to ride the line.
:)
Great video
+Noah Berger Thanks!!
Interesting abandoned station.
R32 / 42 trains were awesome.
I believe the Abandoned BMT Myrtle Avenue El went all the way down to, I think either Sands Street or Navy Street. Somewhere in Downtown Brooklyn.
+Jarell Clark Yup! It went down to Navy Street, and before 1944, it ran across the Brooklyn Bridge to Park Row!
El going to Downtown Brooklyn lasted until 1969
Nice Upper level at this station
+Jaqueline Chantez Yup!
cool dude like it
+Thomas Ponzio Thanks!
Dj hammers how did you get up to the myrtle ave el?
I love the view from up there!
I wonder if any part of the upper level station is going to be worked on when they replace the M ramp that splits off the J line.
+yankeesman14 I'm not sure yet. I'll see what I can find out.
+Dj Hammers I hope they don't change or mess with what remains of the Myrtle Avenue line. It's one of my favorite remnants left of when there were more Els in NYC.
I think they should dismantle the upper platform as part of that project...
@@jayo1212 no
The abandoned Myrtle Upper station is only for the brown M train a long time ago
Question what line used to be on that upper level El line. I know it goes to Metropolitan but where where is it go to the other side?
West of Myrtle Ave, it originally went over the Brooklyn Bridge to Park Row in Manhattan near City Hall. Some of the trains used the reversing loop on the upper level of Sands St. at the Brooklyn end of the Bridge. When the el trains were removed from the bridge in 1944, it was cut back to Bridge-Jay St. station in Downtown Brooklyn. The segment west of Broadway was abandoned on October 1969.
Awesome... did they give a reason why the line was shut down? I always find it strange that they close lines
how did u get up there
Swamp Donky! The one and only
I used to live around there and always wondered why was that abandoned station on the upper level.
Dope pieces and tags
Compared to other elevated station complexes, like Queensboro Plaza, the upper level is high as a 4 story building. The Queensboro Plaza and Broadway Junction's upper level have a height of nearly 6 stories
+ThatFunny UtubeDude Yup! The system here in NYC has a lot of very high level structures.
smith 9th st is the highest station its like 90 ft tall
Yeah, you should also check the Culver Viaduct and 125th street on the 1 train.
Nice! were you with Mr Railfan at the time when this was shot?
+ProStealthSniper Productions Actually, I wasn't. This was taken on the first tour. He was on the second tour.
+Dj Hammers Oh, because I looked at his channel about a week prior to this upload he got similar shots on the Myrtle Avenue El.
+ProStealthSniper Productions Yea, he was there a few weeks afterwards.
+ProStealthSniper Productions I like this channel
Thanks to Mr. Railfan, just saw an old 1966 NYC Transit video that showed front window view of Myrtle Av El entering this station on the to downtown Brooklyn side of station, the current Jamaica line is seen as you ride over. Here ruclips.net/video/SAqe35_3YGE/видео.html
Cool
its been a while since I've seen this
The Myrtle Line merging with the Jamaica Line creates a bottleneck, not to mention the tight curves. If only the upper level could be rebuilt and then connected to the Jamaica Line west of the station. The track layout would probably have to be modified and stacked due to the narrow clearance from the buildings though, which may be unfeasible, despite its benefits. Also, just because it’s possible, if it ever does happen, the Myrtle Line’s express track until Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs can be reinstalled and connected to the Jamaica Line’s express track via the aforementioned track layout modification just to leave no gap between the tracks which can be covered by a diamond M train which would run in parallel with a diamond J train. Although, again, while my ingenious ideas may be useful, they probably won’t be feasible. But it’ll probably make many people interested.
Great video! I always wondered how it looked from up there. I could see myself just leisurely standing up there just watching the J,M,Z and the MJ (the line that used to serve that station until 1969.) Would be nice if they can restore the old line or just the platform itself. Thanks for all of your videos! I enjoy watching them.
They should turn the upper level into a viewing platform for rail fans.
@@Cyber-Dragoness-026 AGREED!!!!!!!
I ALWAYS SAW THIS I HAD NO IDEA IT USED TO BE FOR TRAINS
there is a video somewhere on UTube the F train running express in brooklyn lower level Nevins st southbound I think low v train museum group they mention 1976
+Thomas Ponzio I have a video from the front window of a 2013 R9 museum train trip that passed through the abandoned lower level of Bergen St: ruclips.net/video/Y83PrARyYLY/видео.html
The abandoned lower level of Nevins St on the 2/3/4/5 never had track layed on it, so trains can not pass through there.
+Dj Hammers I might have known
He said the Kj
Its good to know thats beeing put to good use
I went on the website some how this is like the only tour thats not sold out
Also hear what happaned on the 5 train
+linus farer Hahaha maybe after this video it will sell out!
I heard what happened to the 5 line. It's being worked on right now.
+linus farer +dj hammers what happened on the 5 line
+Noah Berger A section of the platform slab collapsed.
+Dj Hammers WOW
+Noah Berger Yeah. Unsure how long the fix will take.
Man. Those are some amazing views... How does one get a tour of that place? :)
Will this abandoned structure be torn down as part of the rebuild coming over the next couple years?
+LIRR175 To be honest, I'm not sure. I'll see what I can find out.
I think it should be!
No, don't tell it down. Restore it.
Turn it into an elevated park
For train watching?
Do they allow people to view the 3rd Av El station at Gun Hill Road by any chance?
Charles Beyer It doesn't exist anymore. All traces of the Third Avenue El level were removed when the station was renovated.
Diego Carvajal ah what a shame. Used to see it in action visiting a friend in Bronx AL through 60s and early 70s. Didn't know then it wasn't part of the subway, but relic of an old elevated line to South Ferry cut off at 149th St by then.
This was one of two places on the system where subway trains used a station on a higher level than elevated trains did. The other is 9th Ave. on the D line where the Culver elevated trains used the lower level. That station still exists although the lower level platforms have been closed off ever since the Culver Shuttle stopped running in 1975.
It was torn down and replaced with a huge entrance building.
Most people think that NYC has a great subway system, but this is it, this what most of nyc rail looks like. Those trains you see, one on the left is 49 years old and one on the right is almost 60 years old.
It has been mediocre since the 70s.
What's with the house?
Funny, when I went there, the door to the upper level was unlocked, yet they set it was too dangerous for me to go up there? I guess it wasn't for you.
As he looked down at the gap where the tracks used to be, I thought to myself that it's surprising they let anyone up there. I'd think they'd install railing at the edge of the platform before doing that. Oh well.
Charles Dreiser Indeed.
cool
+Brandon Berdoana Thanks!!
Why was it abandoned?
this is lower Ridgewood bushwick
I Wonder why they didn’t demolish the upper level when the tore down the Myrtle elevated
Good grief, people, can't y'all read. IT'S A MUSEUM! D'ya need me to spell it out? Anyway, great video. Visiting the MTA system is on my bucket list of rail-related things.
Me too. When i will go to ny one day. I would, want even work in the subway but will never happen
at 0:42 ITS THE R42 YAY
YAYY
The abandoned Station is Will be For R 211T In K Line To LaGuardia AirPort
Will this ever be torn down
I don't think so the TA would have done that in 1970 when the rest of the line was demolished.
1:19 R42 J train Salute
R42 salute
Why did they close this line? Was it not getting enough people to take it?
+briansivley2001 It was a combination of decrepit structural condition, low ridership, and low speeds. The structure also couldn't support to heavier steel subway cars, and had to use old wooden elevated cars. The costs of rehabilitating the line were deemed to be too high.
+Dj Hammers So for the low ridership part is kinda like the
Humboldt Park branch Line here in Chicago. It had low ridership.
+Dj Hammers The low speeds were mostly due to modifications made by the BofT in 1950 when the Q cars were sent to the Third Avenue El. The original Peckham motor trucks were replaced by trucks from retired IRT Composite cars to save weight. Their motors were less powerful but even with the lightweight trucks the Q cars could only carry passengers on the express track. By the time they got sent back to the BMT in 1956-57 the original trucks had long since been scrapped. Other modifications were done to them such as the marker lights being relocated to clear IRT station canopies and the clerestory being lowered so that the cars could reach Coney Island shops via the subway for major repairs. Fans from retired multi-section cars were also installed.
When looking at money spent just to refurbish Fulton St station in Manhattan or to build 2nd Av Subway, it shows that ridership matters most.
Why did i get demolished?
Hi Max
Nice angle ! its a shame R32s are more present on the J and there R160s are more present on the C
+Nick Apples I sort of like the current arrangement. I can go to either line and catch an R32 or an R160 with minimal waiting.
Dj Hammers lol that's true back in hs I used to take the J then the L and the R160s made it pleasant.
To be honest, I don't mind the R32s still running as they are at least not ugly.
Actually, there are more R32s on the C now, there are only 2 on the J.
the mrytle avenue upper level was used for the MJ untill 1969 it was abandoned it should have been used for myrtle avenue shuttles
I WANT TO SEE EVERY LINE RESTORED MYRTLE AV, CULVER ETC... MAKE MTA NYC SUBWAY FUN AND A PLEASURE TO RIDE AGAIN. I HATE FLORIDA. NOTHING HERE FOR ME.
That would be a very expensive, time consuming, and somewhat pointless task.
Yeah, stuff the the Third Avenue El and the Myrtle Avenue El may be helpful, but a lot of the lines were replaced by more efficient ones.
i love ur video's im 17 want to drive a nyct train
+Brandon Berdoana Hahaha cool! Be sure to sign up for all of the exams you are eligible for when the sign ups are opened!
Better start to study hard lol
That's where the movie Ghost was filmed
the old MJ line
0:45 THATS MA BOI
OMG AT 0:48 AN R40M
R42, actually
0:43 is that a R40 or R42? Are they still ran today?
R42 there are 50 of them still running the rest have been scrapped.
>R40
I bloody wish :,(
Unfortunately, ridership was low. I guess they thought taking the M through Manhattan was preferable.
They could have linked it to the 2nd ave EL or extended it via 2nd ave
i wonder why they discontinued the use of the upper level platform
The naval yard was shut down so that ment no more revenue for that lines and the project developments that were along myrtle Marcy, Whitman, ingersoll, Tompkins, Sumner, and Bushwick developments relied on the El to get workers too and from the naval yard and factories. As business and war went a way so did the el line
we’ll they should’ve closed Navy Street instead of the Entire Myrtle El
i know i am going to some now well not this right second
Wait and lower level is nit abandoned
this is strange
This is where the old MJ train used to stop
Eventually these ELs are going to rot away and be structurally unsound
Everything eventually weakens and becomes unsound, but if they are kept up, there should be no problem.
Not if they are kept in good shape.
14th
that R32 though
Borax That is gone now from the J & Z lines
you know what everyone including MTA New York City Transit why you cannot just hiring of a brand new designer that to make sure that the upper level could be safe why not just Transformer something else instead of like a construction to bucks right there and put it on top of that looks ugly I need FDA MTA Tire designer like The High Line right there on Manhattan right there and copy just like to say one into the Brooklyn Cyrus here and then to upgraded that offer level and talk to like a beautiful relaxation Park they could just relax upstairs sickle just reading or something who knows you could do anything you wanted to do it to stay
Eventually all these els will need replacements
Why does NYC keep all this fire hazard rust and blight?
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