The Leap to $2/5 Texas Hold 'Em
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I never understood the logic of people complaining that “1/3 is like bingo so I’m going to play 2/5 instead!” You’re complaining that people are playing too loose, limping way too much (and therefore making mistakes and deviating from GTO play), so you want to go play a game that’s tougher, with better opponents, because somehow you can win more. Do you see how that logic makes no sense? What it really means is that you are having a hard time adjusting to the dynamics of the table and that you’re having a hard time keeping yourself disciplined and playing a game that exploits your opponents’ tendencies (being way too loose pre).
Also, I think you really need to spend a bit of time studying and analyzing your play instead of outright dismissing the TT call as a terrible loose call. You make a lot of assertions that contradict one another which leads me to believe you’re being results-oriented. I’m not going to give you the answers but rather try and give you a framework to think about each of your decisions. You may still end up with the conclusion that your call was loose and terrible. But show that you’ve thought it through a little more thoroughly.
Your opponent 3-bets you small in EP to $35 over your $15 raise, and c-bets $50 into $70. Instead of just blindly calling flop because “well we have an overpair”, let’s try and assign a range to him. You mentioned: “I’m only beating AK” [on the flop after opponent c-bets] because you “don’t believe he 3-bets AQ”. So you’re implicitly saying his 3-betting range value range is [JJ+, AK]. Let’s assume for simplicity’s sake your opponent is not capable of 3-bet bluffing EP raises. Do you know what your equity is with your specific hand against this range if he c-bets 100% of his range? What about if he only c-bets all overpairs + AKs that contain at least a back-door fd (so AdKx, AxKd, or AcKc). If this range is too narrow for you to continue profitably on the flop, how wide of a range does your opponent need to have in order for your call to be profitable? Do you know what your generic 3-bet calling range looks like on this board and have a plan for when to c/c, c/raise, c/f? Where does TT fall in this range?
Let’s continue this train of thought. You shortly afterward mention that the Q on the turn is a terrible card for you. Why? You estimated that your opponent would never 3-bet AQ. So a Q should be a brick for all of your opponent’s hands except for QQ. But this reduces the combinations of QQ. Your opponent then checks back. This is pretty reasonable for AK so maybe we should weight AK a little more heavily. But then ask yourself the question also, can he pot control with KK+?
Now on the river, all the draws brick out. Here’s another inflection point in the hand for you: should you lead the river for a thin value bet? What sizing might induce AK to call? Should you turn your hand into a bluff by leading out? If so, what sizing makes sense? If not, which hands make better bluffs than TT? As played, since you ended up checking, your decisions are now c/f, c/c, or c/raise. Assuming that villain has the preflop / flop bet range we assigned him earlier [JJ+, AK], and bets with all hands that beat you, what frequency does he need to be betting AK to make this a profitable call? What if we remove JJ from his value betting range?
Great post...i think all of us that have a clue how to be a profitable player were thinking these same things.
I agree with all of this and am glad I didn’t have to type it.
I would add that I rarely see any bluffs worked in from you, which means you’re going to be exploitable to regs who know your game, particularly those watching the vlog!
Yeah the TT hand, 100$ bet on the River screams a big over pair and also AQ type hands
Hey David,
This was awesome and an eye-opening perspective of how much I need to learn and study to dissect my game and just get a whole lot better. The level of depth and detail you went into is super helpful and 100% appreciated. Thanks a ton for your insight and definitely something I'll be trying to apply towards my thinking during live play moving forward. Looking forward to seeing your comments in future videos man! Thank you again for the effort put-forth in helping me improve.
@TheNinja07 In his defence he isn't giving advice so much as sharing his though process. I like his videos and for every profitable player there must be losing players and learners coming up and gaining experience. Maybe you could try being more constructive with your comments.
1/3 should be incredibly profitable during the $1000 high hand game, not the reverse.
Glad I found your vlogs bro. I binged all of Neeme's and Owen's and was looking for something similar. Yours are actually better than the ratings suggest. I like your play style. Keep up the great work and I'll keep watching!
Six way limped pots are beautiful! Playing against people who play badly is what you want!!!!
What would be your strategy against these folk?
@@tbhwitchall3797 3bet TT+ every time, KTs+ about half the time, and wheel suited aces about 1/3 of the time. Over limp those hands the rest of the time.
Play straightforward fit - or - fold poker postflop. Check raise and pile in money with combo draws, put pressure on the top pair OMCs. Play over pairs according to position and board texture.
Over fold large river bets. Never bluff without equity.
@@tbhwitchall3797 I played this strategy for several years making about 15bb/hr playing on my lunch breaks. All you have to do is not get bored and start trying fancy shit. It prints.
@@pugsnhogz sounds like a successful strategy. Thanks man-!
Nice barrel with A8dd
Seven dollar profit beats a sharp stick in the eye
Whoa. Haha. I only started following your videos in the past year and I'm used to seeing you play for thousands
These people who play for high hands are so annoying. If I had a big bankroll I would play and raise outrageous amounts pre-flop to ruin their quest of hitting the high hand.
Also you want to play in passive games. You auto profit from the dead money in limped pots when you play aggressive with strong ranges
Yes! Glad to see you make the move to 2/5 man! I think you played great in the hands you went over. The weekends are better and less regs usually. I think ur bankroll challenge is going to get back on track with this move!
The rare double dark check
It was a first for me running into that lol, you’re a beast man thanks for checking out the video! Love your content
RampagePoker Thanks. Nice hand graphics 👍🏻👍🏻
And ff now. Rip nik airball
Um, you should NOT be moving up to 2/5...at all.
@@vtwinbreed every 1/3 player who thinks hes got game gets DESTROYED at our 2/5...they don't fold. And if theres one thing wrong with this guys game, he doesn't have a fold button.
@@johnspence8141 I never thought I had game... in fact I routinely lose at 1/3, yet I'm profitable at 2/5. I'm up 12k over 30 sessions (I play once a week). I don't know how to explain it, but I have logged all my sessions and those are my results. *shrug*
@@Ihave10billionsubs Talk to me after a year...
Couldn’t have been more wrong. You probably went back to 1/3 then quit playing poker lmao
Good luck with the 2/5 ... interested to see how you fare and if your game improves at all. I am losing interest in 1/3 and it is affecting my game. Just doesn't feel as though there is enough at stake and if you get bored you get splashy.
I see a young guy with some talent and desire learning the game and feeling it out. These games seem pretty soft.
Stick to 1-3 and master it before moving to the brutal 2-5 environment. Play tight and position 😁🍀
The only comment I have after watching this vlog is this: I agree with one of the comments about bluffing. Either you NEVER bluff, or it doesn't make the vlog. One thing I have learned over the years of playing $1/$2 and certainly $2/$5 is that you will get owned by people that know you NEVER fold...…..being a calling station will not make you a profitable player. JMO
On the AQo UTG hand, you open 20, 3 callers, flop: Q83hhx you bet 65$ in to 80$ (maybe little big vs the range you are targeting) but what I find weird is that on the turn after he tanks 1.5 minutes and it goes c/c that you say that you believe he has a hand that probably beats you, while on the flop you u are targeting most Qx, flusdraws and middling pairs (77,99,1010). So when turn bricks (no straight/flush draws complete and no board pair) with 6c, I think he mostly checks his sets (also sometimes leads out), but I doubt he would tank 1.5 minute and check, and also how would you be pot controlling if you think he has something that probably has you beat? I think you should study on reasoning behind your plays, why you value bet, when to value bet, and what to size, think about calling ranges from their position vs your opens, target their range and go for value. Also tighten up your game a little bit and also when you play a hand, ask yourself: What player am I playing? Sticky and loose? Tight? LAG? TAG? And take that into your decision also when you play the streets. When you lose a hand, think it through and look at what youve done bad and can do better, a lot of the times when you lose you blame peoples bad decision making and being unlucky, while thats not the case. Every table is different and you dont seem to adjust, so keep that in mind. Also study some BRM, because idk exactly what your BR is but if you want to play 2/5 5000-8000 wont be enough and with you being you, it can go quick.
GL on the Grind Ethan and keep the vlogs coming! And keep in mind, this critiscism isnt meant to attack you but you have to be able to take that but not responding to comments like this one or the one from David Lou really shows you cant deal with it. We just want to give you good advice.
Thanks for the comments and insight Glackles! I agree with a lot of your criticism and being more thoughtful and mindful of my game is something I need to improve on. I'm getting through the comments now so I'll hit David's in a bit. Thanks for the support and appreciate the helpful criticism!
sounds like the 1/3 game is fire. sounds great when you have a hand for value. punish those limps!!!
"green cash day"? Feel like I'm missing a reference here?
As opposed to being “in the red”. He’s been losing a lot lately.
I like green as opposed to black. Feels more like money. In the black is maybe preferable when I'm up a stack or two of black chips ($100s) vs. green ($25s) tho lol.
Id like you to get to the point when you can say "It's a yellow day!" ($1Ks) Stack them up!
@@mataspacevicius8254 I thought it was some play on "in the red/ in the black" as far as over all profit or loss on a session-- but was maybe referencing some joke in another video.. Like maybe "a green day, or getting it in green" not being the chip color.. But being getting the money in good "green" while not ending up in "the black" being up cash.. Guess I read too much into it 👍
@C. W. Stack I assumed it's profit/loss as you said.. was just thinking creatively. lol if it was a reference, I have not heard what it's referring to.
You need to move to up to where you respect their raises
My boy Ethan, between this and your last vid where you got talked into folding AA to a single $35 bet on the flop:
You are adjusting way too much based on "live reads" and making a lot of decisions -- he says he has it, he seems genuine, I'm gonna fold the top of my range; I like my tens on this board, I'm going to call -- that seem to take into account only one aspect of the situation.
Like DP says, 90% of the time we should just be playing our ranges. When I started playing 1/3 I also over adjusted. It's tempting because the average player is so weak/loose/ passive. You start to think people either have nothing or the nuts.
They don't. They will spazz with pair + straight draws, then make a speech to get you to fold. They will min 3bet with aces, check at some point because they're scared, and bet the river for value because they think your check behind is always weak.
My advice would be when considering your own holding, always start your thought process with evaluating your range, SPR and MDF. That way we're not folding aces to 1 pot size bet on 5-6-8, because we realize if we're only calling with sets here then we can't defend enough. And we can get away from TT when a nit bets the river in a 3bet pot and we don't even have top pair, realizing we'll have enough better holdings to call with.
When thinking about your opponent's hand, start with basic solid range/ action assumptions and adjust in proportion to your sample size. If you've seen a guy bluff with air 3 times in an hour, add a few more hands to your calling range. Consider more traps and bluff a little less perhaps. Don't suddenly fold the top of your range or call the bottom just bc you saw something funky on this particular hand. You'll be second guessing yourself too often to tell if your baseline strategy is winning or not.
Thank you for the comment and advice Luke! MDF is something that is super interesting to me and a concept I need to understand more but I agree with you for sure - gotta mix in normal hand construction/strategy along with live reads to make defined and correct decisions. Certainly going to analyze my play and take your comments into consideration to get better.
Thank you for the help and thanks for watching the video!
@@RampagePoker sure man just a washed up lowstakes reg trying to pay it forward 😜
love your enthusiasm and honesty on these vlogs. I just subscribed. Keep it up!
I would have called the river with the picket 10s
Lost $600 playing $1-2 this weekend. Unbelievable how many bad beats I took. Flop a full house and lose to runner runner cards for someone to get a bigger one. Flop top two pair, lose to a runner runner flush. Flop a set get rivered by a bigger set. It was ridiculous. I played well but just got screwed in every possible way.
thats gross man, sounds like a real horrendous run. Wishing some run good your way soon!
Ugh i hear ya, some days they just call everything down and just suck out
I totally agree with your plan to stick with the 2-5 game moving forward for now. Best of luck, love the vids, happy to see you cash in the last tournament you played. Well deserved!
David Clinger
Kek!
and you must be as inexperienced in poker as he is because he hasn't proven he can beat the 1:3 yet you need to do beat that game for at least a year or more and then you can move up he hasn't shown that...
I was never profitable at 1/3... ever. I was only profitable at 2/5 (and still am). I play once a week, and over 30 sessions this year I'm up by 12k. I'm not sure I can really explain why, other than there is a lot more loose calls and a lot of bluffing in 2/5, whereas people tend to play much tighter in 1/3. I just simply don't bluff in 2/5, and play fairly tight myself, and it seems to be working. That same strategy never worked for me in 1/3.
Hey Ken, that's interesting to hear your perspective and experiences on the different stakes. Although I'm not confident in saying I'm profitable at 2/5 yet, I'm certainly struggling to stay profitable in 1/3 so far with the smaller game. Switching to 2/5 may get me out of my funk as people very much do play all to looser it seems
@@RampagePoker I'm definitely not saying I'm "pro" caliber or anything, but I find it interesting myself that I do much better at those stakes. It could be just where I play and who I play against, could just be a lot of luck, who knows, but the stats don't lie. Sample size is small though, so I can't say I'm super confident that I'm truly a profitable player, but we'll see how the next 30 or 40 sessions go, and if my bank roll keeps growing, that's probably a good sign.
@@Ihave10billionsubs hmm so 30 sessions this year I'd say you're more of a bi-weekly type of poker playa
Master 1-3.
You cannot beat 2-5 yet
Ethan Ethan Ethan so the first hand the guy makes it 35 3 betting you even though it's too small of a 3 bet not everybody understands the proper bet sizing you still have to respect the fact that he 3 bet you he can easily have Jack's thruAces here and then on the flop he bets 50 into a $70 pot he's kind of screaming to you he has a big pair and you call anyway he checks back the turn and then on the river he bets out big again $100 you know you shouldn't call but you called The Flop and now you call the river too... I mean would you call here with 9 saw rates any big pair beat you and any queen beat you it really is an easy fold you've got to stop pissing money down the drain at the end of the night that's a hundred or a hundred fifty you don't have
that's what went through my mind at the end of the night, definitely just lost $100 that I really didn't have to at the end of the day.
@@RampagePoker exactly Ethan and that's how we seal up our leak slowly but surely till our game become slowly perfected and the profits follow
Go play blackjack
Your call with TT without a diamond is a snap GTO call riv, assuming your opponent is 3b GTO range pre. But if it's as narrow as you imply, just fold flop. If he's omc, then he might not even bet AK. And stop complaining about 1-3 players limping in.
Hey fish stop opening for 15 in 1-3.
Soo everyone is limping and folding to pfr. How would I make money in this game 🤔
Tank checks what do those usually mean?🤔🙄
What's a better opening size?
If you can't beat the 1/3 then you won't be all that great at 2/5. I always find that analogy funny. You made a terrible river call with TT. He's on 3 betting you with AK,AQ,JJ,QQ,KK,AA you are ONLY ahead of AK and that's it. 5 other hands are ahead of you.
What state are you playing in?
nice Veteran's day upload
Your first call with 10's was fine!!
Jesse brown nah, if v choose to bluff, he will at least think about it firing the turn.
A solid player will lay this down he's 3 Bet preflop even though it was a little bit on the small side a lot of players don't understand the proper amounts the three bed he should have three bet to 50 instead made it 35 but it's still a 3bet so there's a good chance he has pocket Jacks through pocket aces Ace King Ace Queen so when. Queen comes on the turn his tens are absolutely crushed now the only hand he can beat is ace-king everything else beats him that's in the villains range he cannot call the river here that's $100 he should have had in his stack
Edward Odian....... completely wrong. A 3 bet doesn’t only mean JJ+ . If you play that way, you can’t be profitable because people will know exactly what you have.
Good players can 3 bet any two cards depending on table dynamics, position, etc.
You can’t always fold pocket 10’s in that situation. Ethan has A LOT of studying to do to improve, but calling the $100 river bet with TT was not one of his worst decisions made lately.
@@WilliamWBG when the Villian checks the Q turn is a red flag. Then to fire 100$ on the River second red flag. Best to fold at this point.
@@WilliamWBG well even eats when said I believe that he thought the guy had a big hand unless they're kg player doing it with something like Ace 3 or 9-10 Suited 3 bets quite often mean 10 10 + and Ace Jack +
Kjo is a pure fold facing EP raises. You have way to many leaks to be playing 2/5. Your going to get destroyed over a large sample. Join a training site ASAP
How do i get that exact baby blue shirt and hat ?
You'd call that baby blue? ??
You let people manipulate you too much. Tank check is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Charge the draws there, never check
LQQKING like a tube of AquaFresh teefpaste
Hi❤
wayyy too much checking in 2-5. that was a very, very soft table. When I see that much checking on a table, I smell blood. Look over your analytics, that is the word of Postle. Play the highest game your BR can support, that you are profitable in.
Do you work?
yep, I'm working wit ha start-up outside of playing poker right now
First!
I disagree that you made a loose call with 10 10. Getting 3 bet from 15 to 35 is not indicative of JJ+, and when he checks back the turn it's even less likely unless he has QQ. You're putting him on A10 through AK type hands. Maybe a mid pair, all of which you beat. Check calling and pot controlling was fine there. I think you're opponent played the hand terribly and it cost you a little bit.
I totally disagree these inexperienced players at 1:3 totally under bet when they 3 Bet their big hands I had a guy tonight someone made it ten he made it 20 with aces which open the door for me to call with pocket tens I ended up stacking him for $270 on the hand in a 500 plus pot because he didn't make it forty preflop I probably would not have called knowing I'm beat.. this guy could easily have Jack's kings queens or Aces or Ace King ace queen the only hand Ethan can beat is Ace King and I doubt he's going to bet a hundred on the river with ace-high your analysis is really off...
@@Edward-xd1td He was playing 2-5, not 1-3.
@@mikehergenroether6160 yes you're right but they're still under betting their hands there if someone makes it 15 and they only three bet. To 355 that's totally weak when they have a big hand you can exploit that they're letting you come in a too cheaply so that you can stack them
You're a stronger player at 2/5, stay grounded and you'll be OK.