Why is everyone crashing in the 2022 Supercross - Jason Anderson explains
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- El Hombre is a fan favourite in Supercross and a multi-time champion and after over 10 years as a pro, it looks like he is just getting started. The last few weeks have been insane in the 450 class so naturally we spoke about some of the chaos, we get into his championship season and how he came to resent that title and much more! Away from the track Hopefully this podcast gives you a look into the mind of a complex and creative human, who just happens to be super good at riding a dirtbike!
In this clip from the full show we ask El Hombre why 2022 has seen so many crazy crashes!
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Gypsy Tales' bookings, Jase's interview style, the chemistry when the cameras are rolling, and editing have become remarkable. Bereman, Anderson, Searle, et al, represent 2-wheel moto in ways that make you appreciate the tradecraft. Grateful i found y'all shortly after the launch. Well done GT.
Appreciate the kind words.
That was a good analysis of Ken Roczen's departure. The man endured two horror story level arm injuries. I respected him immensely for even returning, the wins were astounding. But the risks are so much bigger, the margin of error so much smaller, I have the same level of respect for his decision to bow out.
It's so easy to tell that Kroc HATES supercross and is riding it only because he has to.
He is a motocross god, the pass he made on Barcia on the outside some years ago was the most ridiculous corner speed i've ever seen.
To my point, supercross as it is right now is way to dangerous, we need more Daytona layouts style
Old Motocrosser here. I LOATHE Super (Micro-track)cross! Motocross was made for outdoor tracks, natural terrain. Too many riders in a small area. What could go wrong! I attend Redbud and Ironman every year, Love It.
@@rossilake218 I agree. The reason for Supercross is huge stadiums can be filled with fans that can see the entire track and pay ... $100/ticket(?). A Supercross championship can be worth over $2 million! My quick Google research reveals that for the entire outdoor series there is $6 million in prize and contingency money spread thru all racers. I know this does not tell the whole story. But, Supercross pulls in so much more money the Motocross and that is what America is sadly more and more about.
They need to do a retro race. Flat turns and ski jumps. I bet it would be some bad ass racing.
I'm just happy to finally have Jason on here. Your lucky cause he actually doesn't like to do a lot of these sit down interviews like this.
Looking back at older sx tracks they had cool turns and humps and little technical things. Now the tracks are 90s 180s Rhythms and whoops
Would be cool to see more of the Daytona type layouts stretching out infield type venues to blend the power and long runs. Or go back to the early days for tighter stadiums with super steep walls, tight turns with a tall roller and obstacles after. Basically kill the ability to carry speed. But I'm sitting on the couch and not riding so I'm just throwing out my fan opinion
Naw to many restrictions on how and where to build the track. That Atlanta speedway track was almost to big. Daytona is ruined, that race is garbage now because of those restrictions.
Agreed! Daytona was my favorite race of the season .
This is one of the best no bullshit straight up interviews I've seen and I go back to the McGrath days. Anderson broke it down so well. 450 is not to much, whoops are not to much but everyone is so good pushing so hard, they have outgrown the tracks, and the tracks are getting crazy with quards ect. Great point about the best crashing so much. 1st time ever in fear for these guys and when you see so many top guys crashing so much and hard your like ok this is serious and crazy.
Jason I love your having a great time riding. Keep it up. Your riding better than I've ever seen. Hit it hard these next rounds. Excited to watch.
Whoops are great to watch this year. It is such an unattainable thing for a normal rider like myself and most that it gets me so excited to see the best in the world tackle these difficult features. In the end, they're all riding the same track, not competing with some ideal imaginary lap time.
That's one thing I have noticed is doing quads are wayyy more common nowadays. Nobody ever did quads back then. James Stewart would randomly do one here and there but now it's always part of the track and everyone is hitting quads
They were hitting quads on 125s back in the 90s. The jumps riders hit today are not that much different. The reason people get hurt now is 4 strokes are so easy to ride fast that riders actually push past their limit without even realizing it.
@@jeffstuart4424 yeah I instantly thought of Casey lytle hitting that insane quad on a 125 back in like 98 I think. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about
@@thecommonsenseconservative5576 yes that and kdub at Houston supercross. Js7 was hitting stuff on a 125 that 250f and 450 riders couldn't hit.
"Are 450s too fast for the tracks?"
"No, but the tracks are too small for 450s."
Hmmm. 🤔 😃
Both
Thats why motocross is way more entertaining to watch
@@melissakelly5813 hearing they might stop the 450 class in supercross here soon
It's simple.
They're all crashing because they're trying to keep up with Eli, who's now on a bike that is built to HIS preferences instead of some pencil pusher at Kawi's.
Eli will probably win the title by the biggest margin ever while the rest of the field self-destructs behind him.
True!
👊 Well said brother
Indeed.
Is that what happened at Atlanta lol
Won by 9 point haha...
Every year Tuffblocks cause multiple crashes. When they were introduced riders complained that they were dangerous because they didn’t break apart like a hale bales if you snagged or hit one. Promoters liked that they could be reused and used as sponsor billboards. Again promoters chose profits over safety. Riders today don’t know any different because they have only ridden with Tuffblocks, but it’s time for a better solution.
100 percent agree.
Obviously you've never ridden on any Supercross track, back then and now...🤦♂️
Tough blocks are meant to stop the rider from going into on coming traffic, it's meant to take them out to prevent further injury
@@patsharks9605 I mean no disrespect, but that's a bullshit reason touted by the sponsors. Riders can navigate the track just as well without tuffblocks. I've ridden arenacross, which had no tuffblocks, and nobody rode into oncoming traffic accidentally. They just cause problems.
Just remember isle of mann,thats what these promoters want.they want crashes and carnage.do you see what they have created.everyones griping.everyones getting hurt and its drawing interest.thats the goal..they want to weed out the guys who cant be fast.promoters are raising the bar.these riders are rich but they are the biggest slaves on planet,slaves to the promoters😂😂😂
No way it’s “Justin Anderson”!! You should get Jason Barcia on the pod next
Right , the bam bam brother 's !
Easter egg comment
Anderson is so chill
Must be tuff
Back in Stewart mid career it almost like Anderson said the frame and chassis were not good enough for how fast he rode and how a couple others rode
So cool you got Jason Anderson on the podcast
Combination of a few things. First thing the bikes are faster then they've ever been. Second is the way these track designs are being built. Third is the level of intensity amongst all the riders that they put into there training and programs. The end result is insanely fast guys who are super competitive and have so much at stake all racing on a super tight track that is constantly changing lap to lap. There's too many variables for there not to be crashes of epic proportions regardless of how perfect there technique is.
Bikes aren’t really getting faster.
When I say fast I'm not necessarily even speaking on raw h.p. I just mean overall the suspension, how they just keep getting lighter. Everything that comes together and determines how fast a rider can push the motorcycle
@@mrjacktraeger agreed 100% I think at the end of the day people are racing for money and they all know that so the level they are pushing themselves to is just gonna cause crashes
@@mrjacktraeger this is an important clarification, however stock bikes have been getting faster progressively in hp as well. I think what Anderson meant was factory 450's have been the same HP forever.
I agree with Jason. Bring back 2 strokes. Haha!
Well done Gypsy, love your style man. Jason Anderson is one cool cat, love that guy even more after watching this interview. Absolutely mind blowing to watch these boys ride a dirt bike, mad skills very few on this planet are blessed to have !
The last few gypsy tales interviews have been some of the best content I've ever seen
Very insightful answer to a simple begging to be asked question.
These guys are pushing it to another level that's allot of the reason there is so much carnage and whoops are insane this year !
I love the tracks this year! Rhythm sections are different, split lanes, massive whoops, more sand sections! Shit is amazing this year!
Great to here this perspective of the sport at his level. Great rider and good guy. Keep riding and be safe out there.
Every track for the last several years the riders say. "The track was so gnarly today". Haha
They ALWAYS say that.
I think the main reason they are crashing is they are trying to keep up with on fire ET and riding over their heads. Plus those crazy whoops. But what do I know
Agreed
no, Jason is right. too much power in a small stadium does not work. good for outdoors, but sx should be 250f and 350f.
@@markgaudreau8053 I agree with that too. It's a combo but keeping up with Tomac is a biggie imo
Yup. If the whoops are so bad then that just shows how good et is. He makes most of his passes this year in the whoops
@@okaydudes He and Mookie are so good in the whoops
I know this is a couple of month late, but have you seen the little guys on 50s nowadays? I have a 10 year old grandson who is at least in the top 20 in the country (he again qualified for Loretta Lynne this year) and they are really flying, racing on the same Supercross course's (maybe with some modifications on the more gnarly sections) as the Pros. My son said that he recently cleared a 90' table top and almost flat landed! He thinks it was over 100'. His normal jumps average 50 to 75 ft on his 50. It is really scary what the future holds for the pro racers!
I was able to walk both A2 and A3’s whoop sections this season and I have an enormous amounts of respect for these riders who not only can get through them but be fast through them. Those whoops were massive
Bro you do great interviews!! And Jason is so down to earth! He seems like a pleasure to have on!! Thank you so much for your great interviews, we appreciate you so much in the moto world bro!!👊👊👍👍
Thanks again u gypsy great interview wit el cahunines...ah i mean el hombe...
These guys have no choice but to push those insanely powerful 450s to the limit. They need to put them on 350s and they need to figure out a way to extend the tracks like they used to do in Vegas going outside the stadium or at the LA Col. with a parastile into the stands or outside the stadium. Anything to stretch it out and save the track from breaking down so much.
Unfortunately manufactures wont go that way. Otherwise we would of seen it already. I reckon the 450 class should use stock engines with maybe just a change of ECU. I don't know if it would make a considerable difference but it's something.
@@maxl8302 Yeah, you're probably right, Max. It's tough for them to sell 450s if they aren't being raced on a national level. I guess they could keep them for the outdoors, but I don't think that the audience for that is nearly what it is for SX. This happened in NASCAR a long time ago which lead to with restrictor plates when they were running carbs on the cars seems like there should be a way of limiting the HP like you said with the computer or something. But then do you restrict the weight saving parts, and all the other things that pump up the HP to Weight ration, etc. I guess we'll find out down the road. In the meantime. I've been watching for 30 years and don't remember many times when the leader lapped up to the top 10.
There was a Gypsy video recently, I don't remember who with, but they were talking about how the 450s have too much power for supercross. And I agree. I have a 450 and it's not even fun on forest trails. Something a bit smaller would make it more competitive.
The AMA stopped racing the 500cc 2-strokes in SX around 1980 because they were too powerful for the tight indoor tracks. But MXA used to bitch about bikes that were to damn tall to. We do the dumbest things today,---because we are losing our ability to "reason", and we just follow dysfunctional directions. Look at the dopes still wearing masks. They do not have the ability to think for themselves any further than tying their shoes, so they buy Velcro.
That was Ryan Hughes. He was suggesting that they move the 450s to outdoors only and introduce a 350 formula for supercross.
No matter what Justin A. Is a cool guy. Chill relax and tells it how it is from his perspective.
Make the premier class 350's problem solved
Yea 3 strokes!!
@@SJKLR99 not exactly what i meant but if you can figure that out, I'm willing to give it a try!
I miss the old day tracks
Its the track design as a whole but the whoops are fucking gnarly
Well said Jason, "The stadiums are just to small now."
They have been bigger stadiums, and still considered too small in 79 or 80 when they stopped racing 55hp 500cc 2-strokes on them.
If you want a faster track, put a faster engine in the chassis. It works in reverse too, but that would be the right direction and would not make any sense?
What if the teams went to 350s for Supercross and 450s for outdoors and Kawasaki Yamaha Honda Suzuki all fell in line and built 350s?
Best answer I heard from a Mx racer when asked who is your biggest competition? “ The track “ 😀
It has made this one of the best seasons in awhile. Yes, Tomac is crushing right now, but the rest are fighting hard for every position. There have definitely been some "Evil Knievel" type accidents on the track, and I thank them for it.
You can thank rc for this... Emig and McGrath used to get hammered drunk night b4... The tracks are insanely different from back then due to technology. Everyone is training like triathlons 180 heart beat per min for 25 min straight... These guys in 250 b would've won mains back then
evolution in skill level from that instant 4 stroke power lol
No, they did not get hammered the night before. But RC did get them to put the beer down for sure. :)
For everything wrong with SX/MX today, you better blame the right people, and that would be the environmentalists/governments that forced the faster 4-stroke on the industry. It is outside intervention that destroys every industry, or the government takes it over. I don't give a damn what your teachers tell you,--they get paid from the state. I am talking from study spurred by my personal experience in what is left of our free enterprise.
I think they just need to maintain the tracks more before and in between mains..i know the tracks breaking down is huge part of racing but I feel like with how technical these SX tracks are they need to maintain them more..leave the rough shit for the outdoors
Would be interesting to drop the 450 class from SX (since Anderson is saying the 450s are too much for the size of the stadiums) and make the classes "250 Production" which is a spec class, and then "250 Works" which is full mod and few restrictions.
I love the 20 +1 format but def ruins the track running that many laps especially with a 450.
This is what people pay to see!!! Someone is either taking checkers flag or on the side of the track crying in pain 2022! Anderson said the stadiums are to small dam! Respect
Hearing how the 450 four strokes tear down the tracks makes it valid to consider moving them down to a 350 four stroke for safety and for racing excitement. Either that OR the danger just increases exponentially and at some point there has to be a line of what is safe. All other forms of racing do it Nascar has restrictor plates which is not the best idea but it keeps the speeds down, Indy Cars and F1 cars constantly have engine size and displacement updated to keep speeds from going insane. It would only make sense. E bikes may change some of this in the future but it will be sad to not have the SOUND of engines at a race. But it will happen eventually.
Tracks do not have much flow anymore. And the whoops are made about as tough as then can be for the spectacle w o killing the riders. I do think they have gotten a bit more gnarly. And the track dirt is more shoddy.
Tracks can’t have too much flow. The lap times would be too low. We need walls, bridge jumps, and limits to rhythms otherwise we’re 30 seconds back to the start. A good track is a challenging one not A1 every round.
The amount conversations I have with myself (while I'm trying to keep a rocket powered bike inside a tiny track trying to beat the fastest people in the world) is pretty insane.
Maybe AMA should consider switching to the 350.
Then the Japanese manufacturers would have to start making them which would be cool
9:43 that's so true though . if ur thinking about what Erin's you're gonna run next week while in the middle of a race that's probably when you're checked out
That means you are bored.
"Errands" For the sake of education, I thought you were talking about two gals named Erin.
If you crash it’s your fault. The whoops may be huge but if they take you out, you went past your limit.
the dirt needs help to accommodate a 450. if you ever walk a SX track its often a spongy material with shrapnel in it. Use industrial equipment like trommels to make good dirt. silt, sand, clay
What Jason said plays straight into Ryan Hughes point, they should back the 450s off to 350s and the racing would be way more competitive
Pot Head Hughes has no clue what he's talking about.
@@SOLDOZER lol ok 👍
Why are they building such dangerous tracks? Why do they even have the option to do quads? Yeah it’s awesome and separates the best from the rest but it also makes it so much more dangerous. Tone down the tracks. The racing will be just as good with a toned down track AND less people will crash out.
Would love to see one round where they 100% cloned a track from 1990 where the track is half as wide and it looks more like a hard enduro with super peaky jumps. Let these fast guys try to ride a 450 in first gear all the time and just slow everything down. Speed doesn't necessarily make for better racing.
100% dude…that’s almost exactly what Ryan Hughes said!
Even at the starting the season I thought they should be trying to have more races at the super speedway s like Daytona
They added Atlanta they could also have Texas outdoor at the speedway maybe their are some other venues that they could use that provide a little more moto feel to the course
Awesome honest interview 👏
They need to slow the tracks down more. Make it safer and more interesting.
Super curious whether Jason Anderson prefers Daytona or Atlanta last year compared to the regular tracks in stadiums
It's an ego thing. They don't want Eli to run away with the title so they ride over there heads to keep pace and sometimes it reaches out and bites them. They train on knarly tracks so its not the track.
If Eli wasn't there we wouldn't be seeing the amount of crashes we do in my opinion.
while Eli is cruising about and not even pushing!
Yeah but at the same time, all those guys that will risk crashing because they’re so determined, they have a champion mindset too. It’s a really competitive field so you’re right Eli deserves serious props
Agreed
Eli is the smartest rider on the track and btw he is already pulling ahead in the point standings
Ego thing? It's also their livelihood
Dude Baricia please! GG. Eli got that neck burn and they all trying to keep up.
The power of the bikes
Anderson always sounds like he's about to cry
Reformat . 125s 250s and premier class open 250 2 strokes vs 350 4t.
Anyone think that we should bring the engine sizes down to like 300 and 200cc's?
Track builders need to be riders.
True
Doesn't Carmichael have some input on track design or just daytona?
Daytona only.
Something like 10 top guys having a say on every part of the track.
Been saying this for years
Rich Winkler an ex pro racer owns Dirt Worxs the track builder for all SX events. He started dirt works in 1990.
2 strokes may be hit 60mph probably 55mph on the start...outdoors may 70mph on a long start....i dont want to down play but the tracks really determine the speed reached....they could make more challenging tracks we dint need insane freaking jumps all the way around the track more turns would require more thought out track building but it would make for more opportunitys on the ground to pass...
Damn even I crashed this year. head over bars. Front brake locked up..
450s simply have outgrown the stadium.
No the track development doesn’t match what they can do.
They may have to start using carpet on parts of the track, the whoops are insane, not like the Ricky Stewart days whoops.
Tracks get rutted because the bikes have massive torque and power like a bulldozer ripping rock.
Thanks boys , no wonder villapoto retired without telling anyone.
It's because bike and suspension setup is so stiff to handle the gnarly features that every rider is riding the absolute edge of where these bikes are providing traction and shock absorption.
He is right the just get deeper and deeper, the whoops are crazy
The track layout is always the same! Too little soil is processed! The whoops are way too dangerous! 6 races to go and most of the top guys are injured! The goal of the track crew should be to build a safe and spectacular track!
Because the competition is so tight that everyone is pushing each other harder and riding on the edge.
For real, thanks for this ☝️
I think it’s the talent pool being pushed higher and higher. These guys must be flying compared to the races even 10 years ago
I'm worried if supercross keeps going the way it is the sport is going to die...I went to minneapolis and the stadium wasn't even half full..I love supercross to my core but I think it's to the point some1 is about to get killed... the dirt Crew needs to have a healthy break in between the 250 and 450 main to repair the track
Minneapolis issue was the dumb pos mayor wanting masks and vax up til like a week before.
Let's hope Craig goes without crashing, poor guy. Jason foretelling the future where older riders will bail earlier for fear of death.
Funny, I was there for A3, it was a roll of the dice in the whoops. I was having a pucker factor from my seat. Intense.
Bit of a late comment but for me what it feels like is the event organisers or who ever it is that runs it, they are trying to push these riders to the absolute limit every race rather than focus on the battling for the whole championship. it started happening from the dungey days and thats why the guy did as well as he did, it’s because he didnt buy into the having to push himself to meet these standards. watching some older ama races compared to modern day races the tracks were built to battle, not built to see who could be the last man standing. how ken pulled out of this season is just a big sign of a good rider who can throw down and battle for a championship but just knows that its just not worth it at the end of the day. its a rough situation for all involved tho
Ando’s such a legend. Its really him and Eli who have the pace this year, followed by mookie and sexton. Really frustrating to see 7th place riders like Barcia steal points from these guys. Whatever the points end up saying, we all know which riders are the fastest.
Barcia is not a 7th place rider mate. Cmon, hes not on ETs or JAs level sure, but give credit where credit is due.
You can always tell the casual fans, Barcia a 7th place rider lol please man have some respect he's much better than that.
@@stringbender247 ok he's 5th then.
Eli let up because he would win the overall.... push it for what? To still win the OA? This is the only reason.
That’s ridiculous, cr500s have twice the torque as crf450s on the dyna
it has a lot to do with the tracks they design now & they know it
And with the levels of the extreme sports nowadays with dirt bikes doing double backflips and s*** Motocross and supercross is kind of got to keep up to that level or compete which is kind of insane. I think it really has to come down to the promoters of the sports realizing that these are human beings regular people yes they're athletes and they're asked to perform at a certain level but the promoters need to realize that these people are only human and you keep on wanting to make these jumps bigger and the speeds faster well something is going to get the short end of the stick and it's going to be the riders
AC: "every track worker should have to ride one lap of the track they built"
Whoops are getting way too dangerous they see it as more entertainment I see it as career enders.not everyone can blitz them like Christian Craig the guys trying to keep up or ride his pace are getting hurt .
Surely bigger tracks would mean higher speed, and therefore more dangerous crashes?
The last gold cup race i went to in okeechobee fl, I was appalled at the amount of injured people walking,and crutching/wheel charing their way around the paddocks. The 4 strokes are too much for normal humans
issue is ja and the few others who always crash out of every season. first season in what? 4 years he has been doing half decant bc he decided to pick up the pace. kroc had a rough year being taken out 3 times in a row and being sick the next few. its always same same few riders who crash out bc they are not fast enough to be a top 3 or 5 without pushing past there limit and making mistakes. look at tomac he use be alot faster but now he is riding much smarter and riding at 90% instead of 110 so he makes lot less mistakes.
These tracks are way too tight for the speeds both classes are attaining. Along with the striving with other racers, the tracks break down every lap, without the space that is in the outdoor events. The concentration needed to take these changes into account while pushing forward in competition is extraordinary. Riders are going to hit each other, and the track eats them up.
I think they're building the tracks for the crowd and the cameras.
Transitions are a key part and on some sections is really no transition just down and back up the lip face
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Maybe time to make the big bikes 350s.
I think it’s just a matter of everyone pushing the envelope, everyone is riding on edge. Bikes are getting faster, tracks are being built for speed not so much technical. All WTFO.
Fast guys everywhere.. makes it exciting and dangerous.
Maybe they make longer laps where they don’t do as many laps and break the track down as much and they don’t run into lappers and ruin the race for the lead these 40ish second lap times is like arena cross they need to be at least one minute at the least
Hence his comment “the stadiums are too small”
Because sometime it just goes wrong
Is there a way to watch the podcasts.?? Not just hear, but watch the whole episodes.? I’ve tried on Spotify, no luck..
There's a second channel I think its titled "gypsy tales podcast"
Actually the last link is this videos description it says subscribe to the podcast go there!
I have thought for many years that these stadium tracks are too small. One idea to fix the problem is to extend the dirt track up into the stands in certain areas.