Online DRM has ruined Gran Turismo 7 | MVG
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- On March 17 Gran Turismo 7 went offline for extended maintenance for over 30 hours rendering the game completely unplayable. This DRM should have no place in a single player racing game. Lets discuss why DRM only hurts consumers.
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The DRM is to prevent people circumventing the disgusting microtransactions. Greedy business tactics leading to drm that leads to not being able to play the single player game you bought. And when the servers eventually go offline one day, no more gt7. Those childhood memories lost forever and all because Sony wanted to nickel and dime people. I have basically opted out of modern gaming as this kind of garbage is rife and has largely ruined the hobby.
So instead of having to move on after say, 10 years, you’ll never play anything new at all? That doesn’t make sense bro
This. ALLLLLL of this. Old school all the way.
Would be awesome if there was a way to download files from online servers and update local based games..
Seems to be "wait until end of life cycle of console" and download game catalogue from online archive.
@@100Underscores Do you not go back to games you played years ago to re-experience them?
@@100Underscores That does, principles, I don't buy anything outside of GOG anymore...
.001% of our player base might cheat so we forced our single player game to be online only. Bravo Polyphony, bravo.
the whole cheating thing could be solved by a *dramatic gasp* report button!
More like: You bought the game, we know you bought the game, but here is a DRM to make sure you don't pirate it.
It's for microtransactions.
But even then it’s unclear how that small percentage would successfully cheat, at least in a way for multiplayer, as the hacked system would need to be online.
We should also note that the only reason it matters to them that someone is cheating in a single player game is because of microtransactions
You hit the nail on the head MVG. Modern DRM is NOT about reducing piracy.. it is about CONTROL.
How far will they take it? It's not just video games but everywhere. Smart phones, houses and cars are all basically the same designed to control us the way they want it consumed. But also can be used as a penalty. Government does something bad and try to voice concern, well they will take your digital rights off you. Will we see this in video games? Looks like that path
@@Dripikdrippydipsdropkicks you will own NOTHING & be happy 🤔
@@Dripikdrippydipsdropkicks Easy: You own absolutely nothing, have no control over anything, and pay for PARTS of a movie/game/show while subscribed to a service to even have access to this media.
@@RicochetForce One day you will be watching a series on streaming and then the last episode ending says "sorry, you need to pay $100 to watch the ending" bull shit. Hulu is already doing that by having only the first season of anime but not the rest.
@@maggiejetson7904 Oh yeah, we're getting there. Capcom pulled this nonsense with Asura's Wrath. A $60 game, but the actual ending (with the final parts of the main game blatantly leading up to and showing parts of it) was an additional purchase.
This is why cyberpunk futures are considered dystopian. It is capitalism utterly unchecked.
The DRM doesn't protect the online community against cheaters. It protects Sony's in-game microtransaction business.
what microtransactions ?
@@suhaskarjigi4 to buy in game money.
@@aliassynapse7066 oh okay thansk
@@spicydong317 not really i play gt sport regularly and haven't spent money on the game ever since i bought it , i just didn't get what microstransactions they were talking about
They are right about the 'safety' part, what they are not telling us is whose security
A single player game has no business being locked behind an online DRM. A console game has no business being locked behind an online DRM because of its already wall-gardened closed nature of the platform. A single player console game with online DRM should really be just left in the rubbish bin.
Do you own this game?
If not, did those constraints activity put you off purchasing it?
Completely agree, which is why the PS5 is now off my buying list. If this can happen to their flagship racer, it can happen to any of their franchises.
@@stuartburns8657 I don't own the game. The egregious online only DRM and the microtransactions will ensure I never touch this fucking piece of shit software.
@@MonCappy Good man. Vote with your wallet. Sadly not enough willing to do the same to make a noticeable difference 😕
> A single player game has no business being locked behind an online DRM
Yes.
> A console game has no business being locked behind an online DRM because of its already wall-gardened closed nature of the platform.
You neglect to account for piracy. The whole motivation for PD doing that is because in the past (read: GT5 and GT6) people were able to hack save games to unlock DLCs, credits, etc. without unlocking them "fairly" or buying them from the PS Store. So PD came with this idea / requirement that the save game must only reside / be valid on their servers and their servers alone. Since DLCs are linked to Sony's greedyness, so is the DRM aggressivity.
I'm NOT defending PD. I'm just helping you understand how it all began.
My opinion on the matter is that PD should have NOT gone that easy way to fix the aformentioned problem. They could have completly seperate offline and online profiles or they could have enforced an anti-cheat system like Valve did on Steam.
Always online DRM should be illegal. There needs be a movement similar to right to repair but for video games. The right to own the software that you bought.
I agree that it should be illegal. Still you only paid for the right to use the software, you don't actually own it. I don't think that's good but that is how it works.
@@Ragnarok540 When I buy a DRM-free game from GOG, I'm pretty damn sure I actually own the software I paid for. I don't care about any legalese bullshit ("you only paid for the right to use it, not own it"), I know for a fact I can install that game 20 years from now and still play it like I can today without any issues.
@@thunderrun1528 the difference is that when you own it you can make copies legally, but that's about it.
@@thunderrun1528 Trying installing a DRM free game from 20 years ago and see how well that goes for you.
@@LePedant what does it have to do with modern games? (i.e. GT7)
Crazy how technology has advanced where games look amazingly realistic and play great but we lost basic features like being able to turn on a console at a whim and play said game without internet 🤣
Yep, I'll take old school, half baked and wonky looking graphics at times any day for this exact reason.
No amount of graphics quality is going to help when the game isn't playable.
‘Amazingly realistic’ game looks like a ps3 game lmao
This almost makes it sound like an accident, although I know that's likely not what you meant. In reality, this is deliberate. The push to essentially make gamers into renters instead of owners started around 2000. The end goal is to transform people from "I bought the product, now it is my property" into "I need to re-buy it every month".
@@Khloya69 Have you played a PS3 game? lmao
They don't want "cheating" because of the microtransactions. They don't want you to skip the microtransactions.
Ding! We have a winner.
Not just that, It's about the licenses when they expire just like MVG mentioned..
Exactly cheating excuse to do online only thing for racing game never make sense. Sure someone could cheat their way to buy the most expensive car but the thing is even if the cheater bought good car it doesn't guarantee the cheater win online races as they still need the skill to win.
*macrotransactions
Let's call them what they are - nothing about those prices is micro.
100%
I grew up in a rural place and didn’t have high speed internet until 2012. This online only concept for games has always been a turn off for me and I’m glad you’re bringing light to this issue of DRM. Thank you sir and thanks for pinning the pinned comment, that was spot on.
Yeah polyphony doesn't realize most of the world doesn't have high speed Internet still
Bruh.. I also grew up in rural area But I had my first 2g internet in late 2016. I pursued my father to get an internet pack just to play clash of clans.
I live in a big suburb and our internet goes down almost weekly. DRM thats locked to a server kills me. And unfortunately it's what is going to keep people from buying these products, and looking for ways to circumvent DRM.
Same here for Diablo 3 and Assassins Creed 2 back then
and even if your internet is solid the game can still screw you over with server maintenance.
This is something that people have been screaming about for at least 10 years, but the majority of people didn't care or didn't notice until it was too late. When bringing this up at the beginning a lot of the justifications I've heard are:
- I have very good internet, my internet doesn't go down!
- You're exaggerating, these services never go down.
- Who cares when the servers go offline? That's going to be years from now, no one is going to be playing it then.
It sounds like this same system was there in GT Sport and was successful, but most people didn't mind or didn't know since it seems GT7 is a much bigger release? I personally had no idea GT Sport had this same DRM until many people brought it up. It feels like big releases from 10 years ago with always online DRM, mainly thinking of Diablo 3, have unfortunately shown companies that going this route can still bring a successful release.
BuT mY pHySiCaL cOpY is such an exhausting argument. Eventually even that copy will be near useless because modern games won't patch automatically anymore after the servers are down. Enjoy your launch day versions of the game lol
@@mustangmckraken1150 If the launch day versions sucks so much that it needs patches, then it's probably not worth buying the game in the first place.
Adding to that third point about nobody playing it x years down the road. People still play Ocarina of Time, Mario 64 and literally hundreds of older games from 20, 30, 40 years ago every single day. It'd disgusting that entertainment media is being destroyed forever.
D3 botched their launch and eventually removed it. Just boycott. And boycott FOREVER when people do it.
@Riasat Salmin Sami you're describing literally every game released in the last 10 years. All of them have day one updates.
I started calling DRM "Digital Restriction Malware" several years ago, still holds up I'dd say
fo' sho'. Couldn't be more true.
yea, coming from PC, some drm software literally reduces performance just like malware. If you have a great game, people who want it will buy it and you don't even have to worry about piracy
@@SicSemperBeats LOL that's right.... pirate the game and strip the DRM and you actually have a better running game
@@SicSemperBeats poor people don't buy game's.
@@wils35 poor people cant afford a gaming pc to run a new pirated AAA game either so you dont have a point man
Fun fact: Gran Turismo 4 had a special disc that would allow you to play online with a few thousand lucky people who had the same disc. The entire single player mode stayed intact and you didn't need internet to access it.
Ik
I'm willing to tolerate *some* level of DRM. However always-online DRM in a single player game is absolutely unacceptable.
this also applies to buying cloud games on switch, kingdom hearts cloud version will be useless when the servers shut down and you cant get a refund or re-sell your copy.
Why it's the worst version and getting any other version is just better.
BuT iTs PoRtAbLe!
@@PrinceOfFALLEN its not when you need high speed internet
And the other versions are far cheaper, physical kingdom hearts 3 is about £5.
@@mancuniangamecat8288 nobody wants physical lmao
The DRM requiring an online connection is definitely for mocrotransactions and has very little to do with cheating for single player mode.
I don't accept the cheating defence when DRM like this is applied to single player games. People cheating in a single player impacts nobody. If I want to cheat in a SP game I'm hurting nobody, I'm not depriving another player of their gaming experience. Unlike publishers falsely claiming that infecting SP games with DRM is to players' benefit. The only ones it is intended to benefit is the publishers ... end of story.
In this case it can impact because your single player file profiles (like cars and upgrades) is brought into multiplayer matches. Depends on the game design honestly.
That said like MVG said, in practice it's not an issue for GT7 cos you can only hack PS4 on old firmwares that can't connect online. This is the whole point of consoles is to provide a secure lockked down experience so makers DONT need online DRM.
So yeah I agree with you, it's not an issue for GT7 in practice as it's only on fairly secure consoles. It was more an excuse to encourage people to buy their MTX most likely. This isn't PC.
@@kicapanmanis1060 That still doesn't really matter though because it just means cheaters will have access to the good stuff early for a short period of time. Everyone else can and will catch up.
Cars with illegal/modified stats are easy to weed out online with server integrity checks, so that is not a problem.
If it is really just about cheaters having access to the best stuff earlier than everyone else, then they can just bring back the dailies and weeklies of stock vehicle races and everyone will flock to that until they catch up.
@@kicapanmanis1060 So, the answer is basically "it really isn't an SP game anymore because the devs have shoehorned MP aspects into every facet of the game" - That doesn't change anything about the fact that this is a developer/publisher fuckup. Sometimes cheating is fun or how you wanna play the game, sometimes you've got shitty internet, sometimes you're just a misanthropic introvert, either way those "we download other players profiles and cars!"/"we added leaderboards!" style shoehorned MP features aren't a good enough reason to warrant this crap. I can't speak for everyone but I never pay attention to it and often disable it if I can because they're pointless cruft at the best of times.
Between GT7 doing this and FH5's constant disconnection issues/turning into a live service its looking like console racing has gone to the dogs.
Thank you for being the voice of a majority of silent gamers who are frustrated by the the fact that their ownership of their games is being aggressively and antagonistically removed by game developers/publishers.
I play games for decades past their supposed and expected "use by date". It's my game; I should be able to play it today and any day in the future, without begging for permission from the publisher.
Thes should refund the game
Companies should be forced to refund the original price of the game when they're locked out at the end of their life. Even if it's 10 years later. If we had a congress or a president, maybe there would be hope, but we have an empty suit in the WH and a dysfunctional, corrupt congress that's too busy screwing up the country to help people.
Why the heck are they silent if they don't like it? If you're silent you deserve everything that is happening. We're the customers, we are literally entitled to dislike it and to voice our opinion. The problem is people don't care and will buy it.
@KYŌDɅI KΞN
Good luck with that on a Sony platform lol
Gog lets you download offline installers with all the runtime packages and direct x versions included so you will forever have access to your purchase assuming you store it properly - this alone made me quit buying from Steam.
DRM is one huge problem. Second problem with GT7 is disgusting microtransactions & prices. This update reduced race payouts & they said it's so that prices are more realistic. Yet they removed our ability to sell our cars, like in all other GT games, & to earn money properly. 2 cars currently in legends shop cost 18M credits each. That's 400$ for those two cars together. And there's basically no chance to earn enough money to buy them even with previous grinding methods, let alone after the update. Absolutely disgusting!!!
easy solution, stop playing those games, the more people do it, the less microtransactions income going to Sony/EA/Ubisoft/Epic/etc, they will feel it and will revert their course on this whole stupid micro transactions model
unfortunately to many idiots bite the bullet and pay anyways
@@osamaal-humaimidi1481 Also way too many people pre-order 🙄
@@osamaal-humaimidi1481 honestly I thought the game had proper potential to be the true sequel to GT4, it reviewed very well and the gameplay is excellent. However, with this debacle I'm now just going to try and get as many trophies as possible with my DualSense pad (I predict about 80% is possible within the next few weeks) then sell it.
@@darthraider450 That doesn't make sense. They already got your money, so you already supported them and you're not hurting them at all by reselling the game (to someone obviously not interested in buying it new, so no lost potential sale for them either). You might as well keep the game and play it unless you actually need the money for whatever else anyways.
@@osamaal-humaimidi1481 Is that really a solution though? Or easy? Or even the problem at all? If people stop playing out of frustration are they now less frustrated? Seems more like more to me. Seems the solution is to remove what causes the frustration. Seems like people also play games out of frustration though. Frustration with life itself. So if you remove frustration at the first instance do you remove games? Quite the little paradox developing here no pun intended. I'd say we're definitely erring the side of hard in terms of difficulty here at least. Optimistically. More like impossible. Realistically
"DRM is absolute cancer"
- MVG, 2022
Didn't think he'd say it. I fucking love MVG
@@XablazedX control your hormone's jeez
@@wils35 Do u remember copyprotections on pc, Star Force for example. Also on this channel. I stopped with gaming a few years a go. Playstation 4 or newer, all these modern xboxes. Just a console where u link a paycard on that system the rest is all said. This has nothing to do with gaming. If i put GT in my Psone it stays a great game. Never online connected, also the ps2. Server down u got nothing then dead games. if that store on that console closes it s door u got a dead unit. Because everythng needs to be activated online what u have stored on the disk of your console. This isnt a surprise really. Remember the plans of always connected drm on xbox consoles ? Thats why i all go retro. The real thing.
@@davidneven5545 You are preaching to someone who thinks the same as you??!!
Online DRM protection is a blow to retro gaming in the future.
Agreed.
Maybe, probably not though. Many PC games had weird or obtuse forms of copy protection, and most of them have been cracked to either skip the checks or ways to fool the emulators into thinking your disc image is an actual disc.
@@mustangmckraken1150 I think it may be more involved to do something like, say, reverse engineer and then have to run your own private "DRM server", if that's even possible at all with all the crypto security it must have (at least Demon's Souls didn't have encryption, thankfully!). I clearly don't know much about reverse engineering binaries, but I suspect that cracking a game is fundamentally about finding a part of a binary that makes a check and then find a way to remove it or skip it. Perhaps there are much more complicated protections, but fundamentally I suspect that should be it. If you're to reverse engineer and perhaps reimplement a DRM check server, you'll also probably have to run it and configure your console so that _that_ server is used for the check.
But at any rate, PC games had these protections because users can do anything the operating system allows in their PC. It's easy to just copy some files to someone else or whatever. And that's just to protect from _piracy._ There's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be able to run a legitimate copy of a game in a console 20 years from now, and yet that's exactly what Polyphony is doing. That is as anti-retro gaming, and very much as anti-consumer as can be.
@@arsnakehert if you think people dont try to make pirates of console games you are very wrong
@@alexstone691 but who is gonna wait 7 years for a software server DRM hack?
That's the bigger issue.
Offloading all the games problems on the gamers who BOUGHT the game???
Yeah they can -p-ss off- alright.
If this DRM is because of the car licensing angle, then it's similar to a recent update to GTA 4 that removed alot of the music from your installed game because the licensing with the record companies expired, even if you installed it from a legal, physical copy.
It's kind of like if, Disney found out you had any old copies of the Star Wars movies published by 20th Century Fox, that they would send FBI agents or lawyers to your doorstep to collect those tapes, laser discs or DVDs.
This isn't just horse armor anymore, its horseshit.
You will own nothing and be happy (because we ordered you to)
couldn't have said it better\
That’s bullshit that’s corporate evil right there
Thank you!
I've heard some people say, "Oh, that's just spoiled privilege that you couldn't play your game for 30 hours" but for some people, you know, who have working schedules, and spend many days of the week slaving away, there is only a very limited window where you have the time to just sit down, and play a game without interruption. I don't own this game, and this didn't happen on one of my days off. But it's terrifying to know that someday, if this sort of scummy DRM becomes the complete default standard, it could happen to me.
The only terrifying thing is someone calling someone who wants to actually use the thing they bought spoiled. Like why would you fanboy over something so stupid?
@@ryanb8302 His comment went right over your head. There should be options in all major titles to not have to grind to unlock all the content that a person actually paid for. Most working adults don't pay a high price to buy a game and then want to give an inordinate amount of time to do additional work by grinding out the content of that game. There is a balance between fun and work in games.
@@HermannTheGreatI'm agreeing with his comment... are you saying that microtransactions are okay because they let people unlock things without having to grind?
That happened to me. After skipping the ps3 and 4 generation, decided to buy a ps5 to buy this that appeared to be a great little "back to roots" title. And after a freaking stressful meeting, decided to take the best of WFH and spend some minutes chilling out... Just to learn that I could not. "Why couldn't you just play another game?"... more Why can't they just leave single player games offline as it should be. Freaking pissed.
It’s spoiled to want to own things you bought to own, apparently 🙄
Stole this from a MVG Twitter post:
2013, Microsoft: Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity: Xbox 360
2022, Sony: Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity: Gran Turismo 4.
The day gaming died. Along with Din Matrrick's career.
The difference is that the original XB1 didn't require "always online", it was just a 24hr 'check-in'. Still hardly 'perfect', but a pretty significant difference.
And don't forget about the consumer friendly features originally included, like 'used' digital copy sales & 'family sharing' where you could share your games with multiple people. Somehow, those features got demonized too though, so MS removed them out of "popular demand".
The whole thing was handled just as poorly by the knee-jerk reactionary gaming media as much it was by MS, which resulted in basically the worst version of the XB1 they could've brought out.
Gran Turismo 6 would work too, lol
Luckily Im on pc. I'll sit back and watch the consoles do things..
Ah, Gran Turismo 4, what an amazing game that was. It's sad to see how things are working out in the current gaming industry. GT4 couldn't be patched or expanded through DLC and it had way more content, more tracks and three times the car count than GT7...
Totally agree with you, this is an issue that's p*ssed me off for years. I buy physical disc's rather than digital. If i buy a game i expect the FULL game to be on the disc with no need for internet checks etc. I love the Halo series, but i didn't buy Halo Infinite as i learned that the campaign was not on the disc, so instead i played it thought gamepass (which i got temporary while it was on £1 offer). Thats now expired and i managed to complete the game and so will not be buying the disc. Same deal with the Resident Evil Village i bought the disc after the fact i realised its just a verification product with no game on it (i wont be making that mistake again). It's disgraceful that companies can get away with this!!. They should be forced to put on the physical packaging what it actually contains. They just put a very small text on the packing "needs internet connection" and don't mention the fact the physical game you just bought has no actual game on it. They're sneaky and dishonest, it's no wonder some people find other means to play their games!!.
I don't buy digital or online games as they are tied to online services, so once that's down you got nothing. It's bad enough i pay for some single player games that i can't play unless i'm online. If i want to "cheat" or whatever they use for an excuse i should be able too, and just be denied online services.
Gaming's gone down hill, with all the having to sign up for accounts and downloading day one patches/ updates, checks etc. Its all a load of bullsh*t. People need to boycot these kind of games!!.
This is why I'm done with modern gaming consoles, even old stuff is much more convenient on emulation. PS4 was the last console I bought. Thanks for the awesome videos as always man, from Australia :)
You're probably the main guy that supports this stuff gtfoh fraud
@@bigox666 what, how? Do you even know him?
@@bigox666 schizo posting
I love PC Gaming too but you cant play it on a couch...
@@cheerydownylox56 btd5 ninja
That really grinds my gears is that physical copies of games aren't being shipped with the complete game, and it requires a 80+ GB updates. So much for preserving history.
all online games are like that now unless you buy a PS2 PS3 remaster or GOTY edition
Reject modernity, embrace tradition
By tradition i mean homebrew enabled consoles
Piracy seems like the ONLY way to preserve history, which isn't right.
If the game is 80+ gigs, then it won't fit on a single disk.
DRM is an abomination. However, it's not going anywhere anytime soon, I'm afraid. Therefore, while I will still judge and despise it, I could tolerate it's existence given that certain conditions were met:
1) There exists a legal requirement for the DRM holder to ensure continued availability of the content indefinitely, so long as the DRM is active. A DRM holder may at any time release tools to permanently remove the DRM, after which they are no longer required maintain any infrastructure or software. This means that any additional software necessary to access the content must be maintained and runs on the current versions of *all* relevant OSs (i.e. the console's OS on consoles, or MacOS, Linux *and* Windows on PCs). In the case of online DRM, this additionally means that the servers must be kept online.
2) Plans and tools necessary for de-DRM-ification in case of discontinuation must be proven to exist and function before content may be published with DRM. These tools must be provided to an independent authority before publishing as well. This is to avoid situations where the DRM holder unexpectedly vanishes without producing said tools beforehand. Should such a situation occur, the previously provided tools must be made available to the public by said independent authority.
3) If a DRM holder is bought out, goes bankrupt and is auctioned off, or changes ownership for any other reason, the new owner becomes responsible for ensuring the continued availability of the content or publishing the necessary de-DRM-ification tools in the previous owner's stead.
4) Any outages longer than a certain time (maybe 24h?) must result in severe fines which are to be proportional to the duration of the outage. Companies wishing to employ online DRM implicitly acknowledge that outages may occur due to reasons beyond their control (such as an internet outage) and that this does not protect them from being fined for the outage.
5) Any DRM-related code running in Ring 0 a.k.a. Kernel Mode (actually Rings 1 and 2 as well, but I don't think those are still in use these days?) must be open sourced and available for public scrutiny to ensure that it's not doing anything it should not and prevent security risks. Instructions for compiling the code must be available for those who wish to ensure that the binary running on their machine really does correspond to the provided code.
Feel free to expand this list if I've overlooked anything ;)
A lot of people don't care about this shit. Most of us just want to pop in the disc for escapism of the real world. I don't want to be tethered to an online connection to play, nor ask for permission to play, nor pay an entry fee to play and then get nickled and dime for worthless digital crap.
If this drm bullshit continues then money will be taken elsewhere and somebody else will get the business. It's not like there's a lack of games that don't have it.
Or just disable the drm it at the end of its life.
For point 4, make the penalty $1M for the first minute of outage and doubling for every minute after that, with no upper limit.
For point 5, I want a zero-tolerance policy. No kernel-mode code FULL STOP. Mandatory company shutdown and public domain release of all IP and data for any company which employs or has ever employed it.
4 is confusingly written. If the user's ISP has connectivity problems/goes offline, that's the fault of the user's ISP - nothing to do with content owner!
@@WellBeSerious12 That's actually the point: the wording is intentional. While the content owners are not at fault for the outage itself, they *are* very well at fault for the outage preventing offline play where applicable and should thus be open to fines. That risk is the cost of choosing to employ such disruptive measures as "always online DRM" instead of other means.
Though if we were to be pedantic, I could accept a clause that exempts online-only features (such as online multiplayer) from fines since those wouldn't be functional even without online DRM anyway.
This DRM move exists allegedly because
1. To remove the game from playability when the car and other licences expire (as MVG said).
2. To remove the ability for people to avoid massive grinds for in game cash or pay real $$ for it.
3. To remove the ability to play the game after the next game in the series is released.
RIP video game preservation and RIP a fun single player experience.
Look at the Forza series. It has had all three of these points happen to it.
-New game comes out with lots of DLC.
-Game+ DLC gets delisted after a few years due to some EOL bs.
-If you didn't buy the game beforehand, or had all of its DLC already, then you are SOL (on PC) if you wanted to get it directly from the MS store. Remember, there's no physical version release for PC.
Leave it to fans to hack the game and make it DRM free... It's always been like this.
@@Gatitasecsii will never happen on console games lol
People call me crazy for feeling that online has slowly ruined gaming. Ever since the PS3 generation I knew it was definitely changing the industry for the worst.
Same. I've tried having that argument with my friends many times now but I just give up
Nah, I didn't! I agree with you, the moment achievements and Trophies made the scene? I knew a certain subset of gambling addicts that call themselves "gamers", would use this to make sure you couldn't play your single player games offline anymore. Same reason there is so little couch coop split-screen anymore, they know they only have to cater to that bunch, as it's the same bunch that'll buy Microtransactions and are the biggest chance of being a whale.
I mean for goodness sake, what's wrong with modifying your safe file, sounds like a fun thing to do for a lazy sunday afternoon :).
Ps3 was simple times you download a updated and just play online most you do is enter a psn online code
The internet didn't "ruin" gaming, the super greedy publishers/corporations did
i wish internet never existed! then we wouldn't be in this mess
It's simple really: if you buy it, you encourage it. Whining about it later will just trigger an adequate response (verbal/textual), but the "always online" requirement will stay. People vote with their wallets - that's a fact.
The problem is that I didn't know until I purchased. And I regret...
@@doublesatisfaction6566 Don't do it again. Problem solved.
@@doublesatisfaction6566 Just like MVG said in the video, the previous game had it, so why would assume this one wouldn't?
The biggest issue is that most of the buyers are either not aware or simply aren't bothered and developers conveniently take advantage of that. The conscious gamers who reject this are but a minority.
@@u.2b215 Then that's on the gamers. Although with the fuckery Sony did after the launch I would like to see people go after them for false advertising.
About 20 years ago a friend bought a single player racing game, he got one of several cheaper open box, nothing about online connectivity required was written on the box, but it required an internet connection to play AND the disk to be in the computer while playing the game.
My friend went to get a refund, the woman at the counter didn’t even asked us why and just said something like « Oh that game again… everybody is refunding it »
We talked with her and convinced her to see with the manager about adding a sign that says « Internet connection required at all times to play » on the rack with that game.
A few days later we came back and talked with an employee, the manager had decided to pull the game from the store, which is something that can’t really happen anymore with big stores and online stores. Corporate needs to decide, but it must not hurt the investors.
Where is Dr Henry Killinger when we need him?
What game was that?
@@usagijojo I really don't remember unfortunately, I am not a car guy and racing games are not much of an interest to me.
Need for speed had an online only game, nfs motor city online 2001
we need dr henry killinger.. and his magic murder bag.
@@Cynderfan35 No homo, but I love you man. I was not sure if anybody would get that one.
The microtransactions in GT7 are some of the worst I’ve seen in a long time. They lowered the amount of credits you can earn in certain events to push these as much as possible.
And gt7 looks like a ps3 game
I heard they even nerfed a track because people were able to grind too many credits from it. Talk about absurd.
@@japzone The Fisherman’s Ranch event was the one that people completed over and over (me included)
@@REXae86 what are you smoking? 😂
Remember when GT used to be about racing and nothing more? Those were great days
I was unaware that this game was so dependent on being online.
I was actually happy that they moved from the Sport idea (which I refused to buy). But then to see that they're actually doing mostly the same thing...
It honestly breaks my heart to have learned that I won't be able to buy this game, as I don't want to take part in this and support this trend.
Sony PS6 will have a slot for a credit card; no more game discs
@raul0ca no it wont.. you still have your card info on your account. That's the goofiest idea ever
Hopefully there will be just as big a backlash as there was when Sim City required a constant online connection. EA was eventually forced to add an offline mode to the game, but by the time they did it it was too late, the game had already flopped due to the online requirement backlash.
I'm glad they took a hit.
And for Sim City in particular, do remember that this was after they made a big deal of saying that playing the game offline was simply impossible. The outrage happened and poof, now you could play offline. Funny stuff.
Never forget
wouldnt make this comparison... mainly because while everyone hated that Sim City needed to be online to play, at LEAST it was multiplayer only (adding offline later, sure, but still). Honestly I think that one's biggest crime was not being sold in packs so a group of friends could jump in together more easily, but demanding way too much $$$ from each person.
This? This game has a single player mode... you should NOT have that hang off a server to play on your own in a mode DESIGNED to play on your own.... period.
@@MegabyteRedSector SimCity (2013) was a single player game at launch that allowed multiplayer. Most people only played single player, and the game fully supported that. Except for requiring you be connected online for literally no reason (hackers even hacked out the online requirement, and the game still worked for single-player play, which EA / Maxis had said wasn't the case)
Me: "Stop adding DRM to single-player games!!"
Corporations: "We are aware of your concern. Here's a discount coupon for ice-cream."
Here’s a free DLC for your game.
Enjoy the game while our servers are up and running.
Suits in said corparations : And consider yourself lucky you got that coupon!
I've been saying it for a long time: the internet is ruining gaming. It's bad enough when this happens in free-to-play games. It should be illegal to do this in any game that you have to PAY for. Unfortunately, this won't change without serious backlash from paying customers.
P.S. PlayStation Network's Terms of Services requires you to waive your right to a class action suit unless you let them know in writing within your first 30 days of membership that you don't wish to waive that right (as if you're going to know if you want to sue that far in advance). Provisions like that should be illegal, too...
The internet has been wonderful for gaming, it’s just being grossly misused by opportunists with a weak vision.
We really do need better consumer protection laws, they’ve not been keeping up with the advancements we’ve seen.
It's just capitalism bud you can just go ahead and arrive at that. The internet is a massive positive.
@@IyokuUnlimited nah, it's being exploited by mega corporations who will always prioritize profit first and foremost.
Now obviously theyll always do that, but business practices that prioritize that can only go so far.
The internet is a tool for gaming. Capitalism is ruining gaming. Capitalism is mode of production where a company tries its best to make as much profit as possible.
You could sum up our whole generation with “Owning nothing and loving it”. All I can say is, you can pry my SNES carts and Vinyl records from my cold, dead hands!i hope people come to their senses, as convenient as services like Spotify, Stadia and GeForce Now may be…after you’ve plunked down your hard earned cash on the table and the internet goes out, what do you really own?
Lol, poor guy thinks physical is ownership. NEWS FLASH: it isn’t. Death to physical. It has no point anymore.
I never thought we'd see physical get dropped to be honest.
@@Khloya69 ?
@the Lord of mainia Games it never has been ownership. And i will attack physical collectors, because they’re all the same. Boomers desperately holding on to a bygone era.
cringe, you use vinyl
listen to music via flac you damn boomer lol
What scares me the most about this situation is the fact that newer generations usually accept stuff like this without batting an eye. Pre-order, consume and throw it away.
Some of these kids don't even comprehend the freedom we had decades ago. Not having to worry about online-only, dlc, season passes, microtransactions and the fact that all these new games are broken on launch day... The new kids were born into this. And the more this goes on, the more I get convinced that the impact that the internet had on gaming was in fact mostly negative.
For me it is not the impact of the internet. It is in fact the impact of greedy investors if you ask me.
@@janek269 Oh, yes, absolutely. Investors especially love subscription-based services for example since they sound like a much safer bet to them. They also love predatory microtransactions for the same reason.
It's definitely not "the internet's fault" per se. I was just reflecting on the fact that, without the internet, all these greedy practices just wouldn't work and the only reason that they didn't exist in the past is that they simply weren't feasible back then.
Remote connection turned into remote control before we realized it and it all started with that shitty horse armor DLC in Oblivion.
Been saying this forever. Internet ruined gaming
That.
Same thing is happening with unfinished games. Some devs are getting away with it; they release an unfinished game and hide a roadmap (which shouldn't even need to be a thing in the first place) in a Day One forum post or in a Steam's blog entry. You end up playing the game for hours only to realize later that the bugs you experienced will need to be addressed *as devs keep working on new features.* A LOT of indie and "AA" titles should be sold as "Early Access" games, yet are not. 😥
@@bowi1332 that shit has been happening for about 15+ years at this point lol. I remember my old housemate bought a Pro Evo game on launch day for PS3, when PS3 itself was very new. Literally unplayable until they patched it
"If you dont have access to the internet, we have an offline device its called XBOX 360." --Don Matrick the man who single handedly murdered the XBOX ONE at launch with its online only BS.
So sad that the industry has not yet learned that online only is stupid. It will bite them in the ass later though when their current machines.have no retro scene, none of the buzz that emulation would sustain, and way fewer young people intetested in their old IP because of sunsetting the servers.
New potential customers cant get very excited about old games you later want to try and repackage and sell them if they are not able to go back to them. Nostalga for old games only lasts for so long.
The industry hates piracy, but they are so zealous to lock games down, that they forget 2nd hand used games, emulation, and backups are what keeps the IP alive .
Or PS2 or PS3
Piracy back then: downloading the game for free.
Piracy now: necessary to play the game you paid.
i hate DRM in all of it form, if i pay for something i should be able to play it when ever i want, i am glad atleast CD Project Red has understood that DRM just SUCKS (and dont even bring cloud gaming near me)
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if 10 years from now, the only way to play GT7 at all is with a hacked console connected to reverse-engineered private servers.
100% with MVG on this topic. The greed train must stop. I often prefer to wait for GOG releases just to get them DRM free, unfortunately they are less and less. This whole situation makes me sad, as I really enjoy the GT series, and was hoping to grab it on PC (if it ever came out there)
yea, i won't be getting it on PC even if it comes out. after diablo 3 never getting an offline patch i vowed to NEVER buy ANY of their games if they don't allow offline play.
Unfortunately, I heard GOG was losing money and has had to scale back AAA game releases. They're going to be mostly indie and retro stuff in the future apparently.
@@djutmose Not surprised, I'd think people mostly go there for older titles not for anything AAA.
Pardon my ignorance, what's GOG?
@@rorz999 It's a site that sells PC games that are DRM-free.
Legislators need to implement policies and regulations against this practice. Unfortunately I'm not sure if they would protect consumers from this.
More than likely. Game companies will hire lobbying companies to prevent this. EA did this with UK government to not make loot boxes classed as gambling.
Thank you for bringing awareness to this. I 100% agree. Stuff like this is absolutely absurd & should not be tolerated. Unfortunately the only way it will ever stop is if the consumer base fights back with their wallets, by simply not buying games that have DRM. If these games ended up being flops then they would have no choice but to stop using DRM. That is THE only way change will happen. As long as ppl accept it & buy anyway then DRM will continue to be a thing.
Sure, same with scalpers problem.
"It's not about piracy anymore, it's about control" So TRUE!
It's in the name. 'Digital Rights Management'. I'm not sure what else people could think it's code for. Parasols, rainbows, plumbers in red suits that alternatively may wear no ties? It's always been about control from day one.
GT7 having online requirements could mean that PD will move away from GT Sport and use GT7 for their esports events that are affiliated with the FIA. With how GT5 and 6 got plagued by this modded saves issue, i think this is their way of preventing modded data (that will in cases unlock cars for free, make parts free or maybe make cars always stick to the road while having thousands of horsepowers) and be brought to online competitions in which the motorsport governing body wouldn't take lightly towards PD.
Yes it sucks big time, which is why I agree that GT7 should have two modes (offline and online) but with separate game data. So if you want to compete with online competitions (official or not), you can't bring what you modified from offline mode to online mode. Yes it may be inconvenient to redo stuff like preparing or getting your cars for online mode, but it's a better consequence for having an offline mode that offers real offline simulation racing.
Exactly, We should have a offline mode for someone like me that doesn't care about online gaming in Gran Turismo, and an Online mode for ppl that want to eventually play online.
offline mode made them no profit, this leads why DRM existed.
this is suck, i just wanted newest car but GT7 is a meh to me, GT sport & GT4 still i enjoying enough.
Welp, Sport is shutting down permanently soon
Thank you for shining a light on this. As a life long GT fan this is disgusting and a slap in face
Things like this are why I still stand firm when I say that the PS2 was/is still the all-time best console ever made. The last REAL console that didn't require an online connection, and that had FULL games on the disc.
That generation of consoles is pretty much the last gen I care about, for that very reason. It lasted a while longer for handheld, in fact I don't remember ever having to download patches/updates for 3DS games
I agree. Original xbox was pretty good too! I also had 3 PS3s fail on me yet my PS1 and PS2 work perfectly.
Bring gaming back to how it should be and keep online stuff for PC 😄
PS2 and gamecube games still look amazing in high resolution, not much evolution since we reached this 3D peak.
Wii? Wii U? Switch? Those all have the full games and never require an always-on online connection to play stuff (unless it's a game published by EA maybe). But still, that's a bit of an exaggeration.
@@svenbtb Switch is just like other modern consoles in that regard: some games are complete, but others require an online connection, or include only a small portion of the game on the card.
I don't recall Wii U ever doing these things, though (and they were rare on Xbox 360 and PS3 as well). That would have to be the last console that kept the concept of "physical media" intact, despite all of the patches and other online services that it offered.
And I would consider the original Wii to be the last proper offline console, if you choose to use it that way. Patches were essentially non-existent, so when you bought a game, it was v1.0.0 final. Because it had to be.
I never thought about the licenses you mentioned. Since the game is 'always online' they could start removing cars from the game when the licensing agreement is over, too.
I always said, the best solution/replacement for DRM is making a good game, whenever someone had the argument that DRM is there to protect sales numbers and protect against piracy. My best example is The Witcher 3 on PC, absolutely no DRM, still sold greatly, got numerous awards and good scores, and because it was a good game, people bought it. DRM Only hurts those who own the game legitimately, because hackers will find one way or another to bypass or remove the DRM and play the game/modify it.
Even GoW18 did so well in regards to sales.
Square Enix has been removing DRM from a few games thankfully
You know when the industry will take notice? when their sales starts to plummet.
If you buy games with these abusive and anti consumer DRM methods, you are directly supporting this practice.
This! ^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's why I'm trying to buy only DRM-free PC games.
how many of people that bought gt7 even cared about drm, or even knew it exists you think? people aware of this issue avoiding to buy the game, which is probably much much much less than the whole sale numbers, is not going to change anything. it needs a bigger solution than that
@@PrivacyEnt thats how free market goes, if there is enough people that accept the abuse, then they will keep up with the same practices.
Thankfully the free market gives you alternatives, well at least on PC it does.
@@rdxdt Then, its unfortunate the "free" market we currently have on consoles dictates companies can get away with drms
It's always satisfying when companies make bad decisions then suffer clear consequences. I was glad to have tried the game before it even came out, decided to pass on it along with a few friends. You're right, it's a widespread issue, another reason why I find myself avoiding more and more of the industry output over the years. I do put my money where my mouth is, passing on them is easiest thing I'll ever do in my life. On the other hand, when I find something that deserves credit I make my support clear.
Another reason for the online requirement is to collect user data imo, that way they can see the cars, tracks people play the most, how fast they earn credits etc. They can also make sure that every person playing the game has the ability to pull out their wallet and pay to skip the grind. It sucks Sony has taken the mainline GT game in this direction.
Good point. That's why they nerfed the payments on those certain money maker races... It's a great game but it's already a grindy game so they need to chill out with reducing payments.
Hopefully they have a lot of extra content coming that will pay well. Gran Turismo Sport wasn't the sort of game you played for a month and never again. It was constantly being updated with new content over a long period of time. So with that in mind it's early days for GT7 and hopefully things will improve in regards to the in game economy.
@@mr8I7 I just hope it isn't going to get too boring and then they release new updates to keep things fresh like Activision with the Call of Duty 'seasons'. Ugh.
You don't need an always-on internet connection to collect that kind of telemetric data. It's because they sell credits and do not want people to acquire credits without paying for them.
From a data collection point of view, the consoles can collect the data whether the servers are online or not. Once the servers come back online (if ever) and the console can talk to that server, the console can upload that opt-in telemetry and Sony would get their data. Because of a bad patch, the fact that players (I'm not one of them) can't play AT ALL is what is really the big BS part.
For a single player game, I say the player decides if they want to cheat or not. They bought the game and the console. Unless those scores are published and comparable, it's on the player to determine whether they feel guilty or not guilty about cheating the imposed method of play.
Up front, I don't own the game, only a couple of days ago that learned that it was out just by chance. I don't know what the game does at all as far as sharing information with everyone else, or even if it does. I don't care if it does or not, really, I'm just 100% blind to all of that.
@@mr8I7 I'm glad they did patch out the races to farm money. Stops the cock heads going online with fastest car and getting in everyone's way crashing every corner.
If publisher would have done that in the 80s and 90s, most of our NES/Gen/SNES games would be unplayable today, it needs to be adressed, the video game history must be preserved.
The Super Nintendo Satellite Games are kinda of an example of this. Not like how DRM is in those games, but how most of the recordings are lost nowadays when you try play one of the games nowadays. (I’m not sure some games were found just correct me if I’m wrong)
@@ThePochiGamerPochi622 Some people have re-combined that satellite audio with the original games... Was difficult, but pretty cool that they did it...
@@Beavernator Oh really? That’s sick bro
It won't at least in the couple of upcoming decades, WEF has made sure of that.
Imagine an entire team taking years to create a reference book celebrating cars, with full performance specifications, cataloging every detail and square inch of every car, high end photography, details on every track, etc.
But then they printed the Encyclopedia on disappearing ink.
Doesn't the GT development team care about their legacy and reputation?
Congratulations- GT7 game discs have reserved their place in the Thrift Store trash bin, alongside such legends as Kinect Adventures, Britney's Dance Sing Rockband Revolution, MaddenNHL2Kx, and Wii Shovelware.
When you build a game around microtransactions, cheating is equivalent to piracy. That's why they want the game always online. To keep you sinking hours into it so you'll want to spend more money on it.
And you just defended the game without even realizing it
@@RubyRose23328 If you're dumb enough to think microtransaction are ok.
@@RubyRose23328 They explained Sony's perspective, you nobhead.
@@RubyRose23328 explain how
@@gearfriedtheswmas LOL. You guys are the ones who supported Sony. They never skip out on MTX on multiplayer games and this is a fact.
Single player games needing to be authorised online is so anti-customer as to be barely believable. Imagine any other industry, where say buying a physical product like a washing machine, needed a server to switch on; you essentially don't own your own property anymore. Yet industry has continued to push this on the world, and there is virtually no scrutiny of the telos of this stuff.
when my backlog of 600 games has 6 or so car games waiting for me to play.. GT7 is not doing what Elden Ring is doing to get me to buy a new game in 2022, no FoMo for a DRM GT7 but that Elden Ring FoMo is getting high
Any other industry? How about the printer industry. Not hard to imagine, it's been happening for 40 years, maybe more.
Other industries are following, too, if you look around.
Some product managers and CEOs just had orgasms reading that.
Nvidia and intel are looking int this for their gpus and cpus
It is actually happening, some kitchen appliances require Internet connection and sometimes even subscription to use all of their functions.
This video addresses so many problems I have with modern gaming.
I'm very careful about what I buy. Because gaming is one of the biggest parts of my life.. This last year my nephew who was 19 spent $4,000 buying costumes in 'for Honor' on his Xbox. His mother was furious and I tried to explain to him why that was a problem and he didn't understand... despite the fact that he was not making car payments so his grandmother had to help step in and he was legitimately complaining that his aunt was charging him too much for rent cuz he didn't have "money..." he has very limited access to his Xbox until he moves out of his mom's house now.
@redx Talk? He needs a kick in the balls. And then he needs to work to pay back the full 4000 dollars. Actually he should go to jail for stealing, people forget the definition of that!
Why not just stop giving him money? Make him have to lose the car, whatever, would teach him an actual lesson. Limited access to his Xbox? Mom's house? He's 19, not 9, Jesus.
Online DRM is basically renting to play.
I feel It’s basically the industry trying to force online subscription based, no one will actually own a copy
My first distaste for needless online requirement was Half Life 2. Coming home from school, eager to play. Only to be met with steam's servers being down for hours so I couldn't play because I couldn't create an account and download steam.
I think the online requirement for many games today is just as other people have mentioned, the micro transactions. If you play offline you can't by them so the best way to make money is to force people to be online so that enticing "quick fix" button can be pressed.
My friend is a soldier and when he bought a laptop he ordered it to me, i downloaded all games on his account and he was happy, because most of games was working ok without any connection.
I boycott Steam for over a decade thanks to the Half Life 2 debacle. I remember when Steam was absolutely awful, and the endless, infuriating game interruptions due to "Connection to the server has been lost."
It still pains me when people say "Steam is DRM done right". Sorry, but there is no such thing as DRM done right. Some implementations are merely less bad than others.
it's funny to see people still crying about that shit. i bet you wish things were still than simple.
That’s why I love my ps2. I can be dead ass tired from work and put a disc and turn it on and go straight to the game. No bullshit UI, no DRM, no updates.
Steam was one of the biggest mistakes to ever happen to PC gaming. Valve could've easily continued the series without their intrusive DRM digital platform ever coming out of the woodworks. Long-tern it has eroded almost all physical PC games. You can't sell, trade, deactivate/transfer the keys to a different owner. Their little 'refund' policy is a joke of its own.
I just love how much thought goes into all your videos including the ones like these where you report on current game news. Keep it going.
100% agree with everything you said! DRM and authentication services are destroying the ‘plug and play’ fun factor of gaming.
Always-online as a form of DRM has been widely (and justifiably) lambasted since publishers first tried to implement it back in the 7th console generation. Now there are some still trying to do it... and I never really expected Polyphony of all companies to be one of them. Their excuse of "it's there to prevent cheaters in online racers" was hollow and bunk the moment they said it, and it's clear now that it's just there to try to stop players from getting around the horrible economy in the game that makes actually being able to get new cars an insane slog. I'm glad I wasn't able to find a PS5 yet, because it's clear I'm not exactly missing much now.
they know they can get away with it.
once their sales tank or an massive amount of refunds happen they won't care.
the game was offline for 30 hours, unplayable for 30 hours, yet was it massively refunded? likely not.
Why wouldn't you suspect Polyphony Digital do do this kind of thing? GT5 and GT6 both had "online" features that were just remixes of offline content. Polyphony was just testing the waters to go online-only in the future, which they finally rammed down peoples' throats with GT Sport.
@@Waccoon The seasonals in GT5 & 6 were just extra challenges you could do which granted huge amounts of credits even if you didn't get the gold. The rest of the games were fully playable if you weren't signed into PSN. I'd say the only thing from those games that was testing the waters for the future was GT6, which had an option to buy credits from the PS Store, which even at the time was mocked and derided.
GT Sport though was definitely a sign of things to come. Even with the focus being primarily on online competition, there was no actual valid reason for players to have their save data and progress tied to being connected to their servers.
gotta do something to stop your games being pirated, after sony themself allow and patch the console so it can happen, literally every time sony updates a console the newest torrented games somehow work on "hacked consoles" sony literally have been making hack tools for its own console
meanwhile xbox has ZERO pirated games for its current consoles since DRM was announced at the E3 the same E3 where sony had this DRM to announce but didn't, never did tell the users about it, just done it, just face it sony actually don't care about its users, don't care about its devs or they wouldn't have every game on torrent sites, also DRM isn't anti cheat, it's anti theft.... protecting you a buyer of content, and the publisher via security ... just when sony make it you end up with more lies like 4K120 and rdna2
Thank you for voicing our concerns and opinions!
As a Gran Turismo fan, am also skipping GT7.
Same
The license issue may actually be a good point, and also the main reason behind the puzzling decision of Microsoft to delist every single Forza game after just four years on the market - which started years ago actually, up to the point that because of the long development process of a new main entry for Series consoles even the latest "Forza Motorsport 7" last year got delisted as well. So it's not only about physical media but also downloads and eventually streaming - digital only, the whole memory of a game (as a cultural artifact) may therefore be effectively wiped out. This is what I would call disrespect for the medium as a whole, an especially troubling thought when the sole purpose of "Gran Turismo" is to honor car culture through the lens of the video game art form.
It is a shame you can't purchase older Forza games because of licensing restrictions, but at least existing purchasers can still download/reinstall them and play them single player with full features unlike GT7.
I’m pissed off because I purchased the game last summer, only to see the DLC vanish in September that year. I can’t even purchase a huge fraction of the car anymore.
@@Chris-zs5qb Man, PC gaming went to the way-side after its gotten digital-only. I'm in the same boat as you. Could never get all of the DLC for FM 7 before it got delisted.
So a lot of these games will never become complete feature/content-wise due to these practices.
This is one of the major reasons myself and friends/family have stopped buying consoles. The PS4 showed the beginnings of this behavior and it will likely be the last console I purchase. I refuse to support this growing trend of not actually owning the things we buy.
You think PC gaming is any better? You don't even have control of your 'owned' games 9 out of 10 times. At least on consoles you still have the small freedom to trade or sell the games that you don't want/need anymore to others.
@@MetallicBlade gog
Thank You for pointing this one out to me.
I got GT6 for the PS3 (largest updates for a PS3 ever) and was wondering about GT7. As someone who didn't like the DRM for "From Dust", I decided that I'd avoid all games with Online Only DRM be it Cloud Gaming or Games with a complete dependancy on servers.
We need legislation to label when a product comes with active DRM (i.e. the content needs permissions to be accessed). Anything that has active DRM needs should not allow use of a "buy" button - because it's not something you can actually own.
They already do - what do you think that EULA you agree to when you first launch a game says? It's called an "End User License Agreement" for a reason - you do not own the software, just a license to use it.
It hurts my heart so much to know that the current generation is more familiar with blindly agreeing to whatever legal garbage gets shoved in their face than what it means to actually own something. Poor kids :--(
@@clebbington Those EULAs are often considered unsuitable in some places too, for basically not being readable enough. No one has ever take a company to court over them though, IIRC.
No, we don't need the government involved. Then we'll have two problems.
The information is literally on the back of the packaging.
Having the FTC limit the usage of the term "Purchase" or "Buy", and forcing companies to use the term "License", or at minimum "Purchase License" (and clearly disclose a guaranteed support date) would be a good step in the right direction.
Microsoft has literally been using the term "Windows License" and had product life dates disclosed for decades.
To all the comments that say "iT'S aLrEaDy LiKe ThAt" -- Yeah? And it effectively didn't matter. Now it matters.
Nintendo has never blacklisted a physical game release with a console firmware update. Neither has Sony. There has never been a way for them to "take action" on that EULA packed into every game since Duck Hunt and Gyromite. Those EULAs could have been completely illegal or at least blatant anti-consumerism, but it just never got litigated. Saying that they're "okay" and "we always had them" is just disingenuous. I can say I own your soul, it only matters when I chain you up in my basement.
GT4 is still a fantastic game to this day, along with most of the other titles I still have for my (unmodded!) fat PS2. I don't play them very often, but it's nice knowing that I don't have to worry about connecting to any servers or even having to download any game updates. I do have to clean the disc drive every once in a while though!
Clean that laser with cotton bud and alcohol?
@@wils35 Yup! Simple and effective!
Remember when videogame (and most entertainment companies) put in their legal language that when we buy a game/movie/song/ebook from them, we’re only buying a LICENSE, not the actual item? This is why. Like you said, we’re at their mercy & there’s nothing we can do.
Glad that the emulation (and cracking, even if they're being illegal) scene is catching up on this with server emulation and their own backend servers, it will be a long fight but even this will be bypassed someway somehow
Have you seen NFS World online?
@@falcongamer58 Or FiveM for that matter.
@@falcongamer58 "Need For Speed" 2015 still hasn't been cracked to this day.
And it's online only
A shame what happened with 3DS. When piracy starts going down in trend, greedy corporations find ways to revive it and give people a good reason to pirate.
@@falcongamer58 now is offline and single game for me
The interesting thing about the old PC "check for the CD" DRM is that it usually did let you remove the CD after you'd started the game and it did the initial check before launch. Most of the time when you couldn't remove the disc it wasn't actually DRM so much as some game data not being installed to the HDD. (eg. The PS2 era GTAs allow you to do a partial install if you lack HDD space where it plays the in-game radio stations from the CD/DVD)
...and still no damage modelling for this 'REAL' driving simulator.
And the sad part is when servers do go down they aren't likely to patch the games and hardware to allow use afterwards. They want you to get the newest consoles and games. Greed is destroying game preservation.
"Aren't likely", they definitely won't, that's a certainty. But I don't give a damn, I've stopped playing modern games after I tasted Diablo 3 and vomited. Retro gaming all the way for me now and forever!
Stuff like this renders the physical vs digital media arguments completely useless. Hopefully this wake up more people and they start pushing back. The vocal minority has been trying to fight this nonsense for years
Agreed. I have an entire cabinet full of PS1, PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii titles that I know I can plug in and play whenever I'd like.
It pains me to think that future generations won't e able to play the games of today the same way that I can play the games of yesterday.
So glad to see coverage of this. Fantastic game that is absolutely destroyed by disgusting business practices and insulting treatment of the customer base.
Well said.
I started getting upset when they released online patches to fix things. I get that games are a lot longer and more evolved and more things can go wrong with them. I remember getting games on CARTS, and they never seemed to need a patch and worked just fine and were complete. Remember the starfox64 patch? Me either.
ps2 is the last generation where everything was on the disc.
with ps3 you have the game on a disc but it needs updates or the DLC needs to be downloaded.
it works... for now... but not for long.
in the end they force you to go pirate.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Games back then, especially on PS1 and 2 aswell as on PC were full of bugs. Many PC games wouldnt even start because your graphics card would not be supported. Games nowadays are also complete but they give you the option to play a game longer with additional content. Nobody forces you to buy that?
@@phil_5430 That wasn't a problem of the PC or the games themselves. Games back then had to cater to a lot of different configurations, so they just went with the most popular ones and called it a day. Later in the 90s, OpenGL and DirectX offered a unified way to comunicate with the PC's hardware so games could just focus on their gameplay and leave the hardware specifics to the API, but if the game developer was lazy enough, they just ditched the PC altogether and made console exclusives, which a lot of developers keep doing just to reap those juicy Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo "exclusive" dollars.
Consoles nowadays are just a extremely limited PC that you have to fully replace less than three years after their release if you want to play newer games in all their glory, and the only thing they've going for them are their exclusives which are never complete. I dare you to get a new AAA game on your console on day one and see if it doesn't connect to the Internet to get "updates".
@@pelgervampireduck I remember the dlc on ps3 being an acronym of "disc locked content".
@@phil_5430 on pc that was true until probably 1994, maybe even before that. Direct X has been a thing for over 20 years now, I don't think you had that problem at all after soundblaster became standard.
This has literally taken away 95% of my desire to keep looking for a PS5. Not that I was looking for a PS5 for GT7, but I have zero desire to give money to a company that promotes these practices.
I have never been an Xbox guy, and admittedly mainly because of the controller, but this very well could be enough to sway me.
I hope ps5 gets hacked sooner than i imagine
There is plenty of motivation for it now
Ok Nintendo’s calm down
Agreed. ****** Sony
Hasn't it already happened twice
@King Spina
*laughs in Bowser*
it makes me very happy that someone from the homebrew scene from back in the day has a platform to advocate for what is right even after he himself is now part of the industry at large. MVG thank you man. you are a much needed voice in todays industry
I will give Sony credit for one thing on this. During the State of Play and on the game box itself they warned us of the Online Requirement. I'm glad they were upfront so I knew not to buy it. Not all games that do this communicate the info or make it easy to find and it usually takes lots of digging to get the answers. Sill though, DRM has no place in a single player portion of the game and I found the response about the outage pretty weak.
"DRM has ruined a game"
And in other news, water counties to be wet.
More,
At 11
Water isn’t wet
"Studies gave shown that ice appears to be frozen..."
Water counties?
The situation feels like they're punishing 100% of the player base for something that 0.001% of the competitors of the FIA tournaments would have done.
As so many are saying, the online DRM is in place to expose players to microtransactions (in a full priced retail game, mind you). Thank you for shining a light on this and continuing to take a stance against business practices which are predatory, anti-consumer, and anti-preservation in nature.
This incident just goes to show that you can have the best internet on the planet but that matters not if/when the servers are down.
Because of this, Gran Turismo 7 is disqualified from my Game of the Year contention.
Such a shame.
It never qualified in my eyes, it’s a racing game.
Doesn't even have all the content previous games had. It's an empty game.
I'm sure PD will be devastated. I'll enjoy the best Gran Turismo since Gran Turismo 4 and have lots of fun. 👍
@@mr8I7 They will not give a shit. I don't expect them to.
@@mr8I7 what makes it the best since 4? It doesn't even have a proper career mode.
You'd think being on a closed system of Playstation would be DRM enough for now. Apparently not.
It's really sad to see such an amazing game being a victim of this horrible practice just because the Developer team succumbed to greed.
Honestly it's stupid that they think they would get away with it but then again we are living in a strange time where many people do not question themselves where they spend most of their money on.
I've been saying the same thing about physical games for years, yet people keep going on and on about physical releases as though it were still 1999. The concerns regarding digital only are valid, but it has been well over a decade since physical game releases held greater value over digital releases because, as the industry transitioned to platforms where it became possible to release unfinished games and simply push put patches and updates later, physical releases have almost become entirely pointless. Yes, you will still have your physical copy many years down the road, but those patches may no longer be available and so you would ultimately be left with a broken and unfinished version of the game. Then, on top of that, the platform may not even let you play the games without being able to phone home.
This is why emulation and game backups hold so much value to so many people and is also a good argument for jailbreaking consoles in order to attain full control over the content we pay for.
It's sad, isn't it? At this point, you just buy physical releases to put a box on a shelf - and most game box art is just a man brooding behind a logo, so it's not even worth displaying.
Well done for calling this out. Sadly for every one who cares about the principle, there's probably 30 with more money than sense.
yeah, this is exactly the problem. and those same people buy all the micro-transactions, ect, so the cycle just keeps repeating or getting worse
Online only DRM is insane. The only reason I think this was done was that maybe the game will be released to PC and this makes piracy impossible . Sort of like Diablo 3
It's stuff like this that makes me wanna go back to the PS1-3 era of gaming when all I needed was a weekend to kick back and play a game in it's entirety, without a care in the world of requiring something other than the game itself and a controller. Two controllers if I got a buddy of mine over.
I used to work at a summer camp back in 2013, and the staff cabins had electricity but no internet or cell reception. My cabin became the hangout at night because I brought my Xbox 360 and my copy of Skyrim from home. One of the guys was even smarter and had a hacked Wii and a bunch of burned discs for it. We all gave him crap for it back then, but now he seems like a genius. I miss those days.
As others have said, it’s got nothing to do with car licenses, it’s purely about enforcing microtransactions and controlling how people interact with the game.
Not many people seems to be aware but back in PS3 times, when online support for GT5 ended, some small features also became permanently not accessible- the GT Museum, where you could browse museum cards you were awarded for daily log-ins. Such feature should be perfectly fine to access offline... I remember I was always thinking to browse the museum cards later, until I never had a chance when servers were closed. Sad to see that they got away with this relatively small case back then, and now they went all the way with setting on a path to possibly disable whole single player mode someday, after end of on-line support.
MVG, great material as always, thanks!
There’s now mods for GT5 and 6 that bring back some of the online functions. I do not know to what extent GT5’s master mod does as I don’t play it. GT6 I have the Spec Mod 2 running and it has the daily login bonuses and a good number of seasonal events brought back.
This proves companies do DRM not to combat piracy but to keep you online for as long as you play the game.
Sony and their hubristic complacency is largely to blame for the horrendous DRM decisions that are going on. They have leadership who is immensely out of touch, does nothing to communicate to its players, and are doing everything to shoot themselves in the foot to blow their sales lead to Xbox. What a fall from Grace.
#FuckDRM
#FireJimRyan
I hope they keep Jim Ryan and implode the company. The industry would be much better without Sony and Ubisoft
Which sucks, because Microsoft is notorious for screwing customers over, you know sooner or later we're going to get game Pass exclusive games or some other nightmare. Microsoft is not your friend, no company is your friend. Microsoft is most likely being pro-consumer so they can be super anti-consumer later.
@@MrGamelover23 That is absolutely true. When you hand someone the reigns of the preferred platform, they tend to let that success get to their heads.
@@MrGamelover23 Yeah Xbox Gamepass is going to get exclusives. Said only the Sony fanboys
As a Halo fan, what Xbox is doing is no better.
Like Netflix, at some point Game Pass is going to stagnate. Prices will increase, the catalogue will be split up behind more and more subscription services, etc
I remember back in the PS1 and N64 days, never had to connect any console to any online service back then, it should still be that way now.
The game itself is great it's unfortunate that it relies on online servers. The servers going down for over 24 hours with little communication about it really highlighted the problem.
It is the worst looking and most grindy racing game ever made.
@@RubyRose23328 alright, steady on. The DRM is egregious sure, but I don't think the game ugly by any means
@@SirBobson Gran Turismo Sport and Forza Motorsport 7 both looked better than this crap and those were last generation.
Worst looking? It's visually stunning even on a PS4. Microtransactions in it do have me concerned for its future though.
@@PrinceOfFALLEN LOL. The game is horrendous looking and looks like a PS3 game.
Was looking forward to this game, but all this mess doesn't seem worth the hassle. I was playing gran turismo 2 and thought damn...a new racing game would be sick. Also thank you and I appreciate your honesty/integrity
I don't own the game but my friends are raging over this. It's insane how a great franchise like this has self-destructed.
It's the best Gran Turismo since Gran Turismo 4. The franchise reached its low point with Gran Turismo 6 and is only getting better again.
Gran Turismo has been garbage since GT4. It's not really that great. Boring is the perfect word for it. People only buys it because it has better graphics.
@@VOAN DRM aside 7 is as good if not better than 4. Its a real shame they are ruining it with greed.
Totally agree with you with these DRM problems. About a year ago I buy my first Xbox (1X) an absolute amaizing machine , played a lot of forzas and backwards games, but after taking console on a trip I see what is the worst of the worst... Cannot play anything because don't have internet... Shame on Game industry. My games, my consoles I want my control, at least on phisical media
Cap, every Forza game can be played offline on any Xbox console
Do you have mobile hotspot on ya phone?
Or are you in Brazil where 56k dial up is the normal?
@@wils35There is absolutely no reason to have these restrictions. PS4 can play offline every game without any verification.
@@wils35 yes I do but 2Gb for a month plan it's not very much has you may know.