Best Enclosed Pistol Optic? 3, 6, Circle Dot - SIG Sauer Romeo X Enclosed Review
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Last year when SIG Sauer released their Romeo X optic - it was a significant optic - just late to the market as power users had started moving toward enclosed emitter optics - now, in 2024 the Romeo X is now available as an enclosed emitter optic on the Deltapoint Pro or RMS footprint.
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Have one as well - it's impressive so far
I like it because it will make the EPS become cheaper due to competition. :)
From the consumer standpoint of making an optic purchase one time and then assuming it will be worthwhile for a few years, this is pretty irritating. My Wife now has an inferior optic for her ROSE and no one will want it second hand.
I hope they do an upgrade program of some kind. What do you think of this rapid product expansion? Are consumers being taken for a ride?
Gotta do some research, this was coming for a while, optics hold some value probably won’t get what you paid for out of it but take what you can towards a new optic. I was waiting for this for a long time and now at the price point I think I’ll have to go for the eps or scs320 I can’t spend 700 on a pistol optic
@@Ajibica117 So they should choose to stop developing products just so you will have a way to sell yours on a secondary market. lol. that's hilarious. No one forced you to buy it... Also, having an 'inferior' unit is not the same as having an 'inadequate' unit.. She was fine with it when you bought it.. She's fine with it now. Just keep using it
I wish the manufacturers would get together and adopt a single universal foot print.
I said the same thing.. I like the 509T rail.. and wish everyone would use it. But there are a few standards that are well establshed.. RMSC, RMR, DPP, and Doctor. Nearly everything fits into these 4 standards. So it's not too bad.
I would narrow it down to two, one for each size.
I love my Romeo x on my p365x macro and staccato c. Direct mount is the best way! Forget plates!
Never stop the dad energy 😊
I am not gun shopping right now, but I always need a Dad Joke, so here I am!
Yup, it finally happened. Found my go to pistol optic. Glad I held off on getting a RCR. The glass quality is night and day for my eyes and SIG higher end optics have been just as durable and reliable.
Same! Almost got a trijicon too! Glad i waited
I have the Romeo 5 on my AR and it has hit every door jam, washer/dryer, door, fence, trees, been dropped uphill and downhill and never has it stopped working or broke. They make some tough optics, that's for sure !!!!!!
You seem to get some of the best videos out first. Keep up the great work.
A good side effect of more DPP dots is the Leupold MarkAR mount with the piggyback red dot mount is now the easiest and cheapest way to get an LVPO + RDS on an AR.
Steve Wright "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate". Need this in the compact RSMc
They have it for the Shield RMSc footprint. It's the one without the 'Pro' moniker. The 'Pro' is throwing everyone off because it's not 'Pro' as in top of the line, but 'Pro' as in Delta Point 'Pro'.
Went to Sig's website to check out the specs and they were throwing up half screen ads on my phone for the old romeo x (buy now!), while im looking at the "comming soon" enclosed romeo x
The DPP footprint is also used for the Romeo 2 Pro, which we've adopted for issue with the P320 XCarry's the ADF is buying here down under. If overall size isn't a concern the DPP footprint gives you plenty of space to mount larger optics.
Honestly very excited for all the DPP footprint options coming out. Seems like itll be great to direct mount to a staccato or work on the narrower slides that are becomming more common these days
It's a shame Sig wants so much for their dot. It's also a shame that they are not even considering a green version. Many of us pick up green quicker than red.
The shame is that is most companies. I would love a green aimpoint t2 or sig romeo 8t
I agree, I'd absolutely love to have one of these enclosed optics with the choice of a red or green reticle!! I don't understand... if holosun can offer them then why doesn't sig or even trijicon for that matter... and why doesn't trijicon make an enclosed option that is basically the same size as the rmr rather than the huge 📬
They cost what they do because they aren’t made by slave labor in china
Yes it fits on sigs, the x carry also fits on the smith shield plus, no plate required. Cowitness with stock sights. You will need to get 6/32 3/8 screws because sig sends you metric screws. 300+ rounds and awesome.
DPP footprint is superior than the RMR footprint. The RMR footprint is only around cause for the longest time the RMR was the only durable sight on handguns, which isn't the case now. DPP footprint is basically a longer RMSC cut
DPP footprint also works on slimmer slides since the screw holes aren't as wide as the RMR footprint holes.
Not to mention the screws are set farther back so it’s easier to fit another pane of glass to close the optic.
Look at the engineering gymnastics that Trijicon had to do to make the RCR use the same RMR footprint.
VHS vs Betamax. The best one doesn’t always win.
@@3of11 HD DVD vs Blu Ray too.
Sig Marketing people must be in cahoots with the Holosun. They figured out a way to allow Holosun to continue to sell their wares while Sig focuses on selling this optic at the higher price point. Sig could have lowered their price to capture more market share and force Holosun to lower their price. In the end they only see us as consumers and look for ways to extract the most money from us.
Holosun lost me with that proprietary K footprint.
They should have used the standard RMSC footprint.
they couldn't use the RMSc footprint because they wanted the battery compartment to be water resistant.
Everyone tries to copy Holosun’s features but not their price. At those prices I’ll just keep buying and running the eps and eps carry which run beautifully.
I love my EPS and EPS Carry, but if I can get a better quality emitter, clearer glass, with the same footprint, and not have it be made by China, I will. I didn't care much about China until they went all in with RU, NK, and Syria...but I'm happy to pay 25-30% more to avoid them when possible.
Who said sig optics aren't made in China lol....
@@GunInsightsyou pay taxes to pedophiles, yet you’re concern trolling over sending $300 to some Chinaman?
Yeah slave labor in China
Yeah, Holosun's prices are what they are because they are made in China - meaning they are built on the backs of human suffering and slave labor. Lots of items, (your phone, your TV, your car) you don't get a vote on where it is made. Red dots, you get a choice. If I get to choose, I don't have a problem spending an extra $60-80 to not have something like that on my hip every day. If your morals and standards can be purchased for less than $100, you do you, amigo.
Don't be fooled like most people are. They have two variants of this. The 'regular' one (Shield RMSc) and then this one, the 'Pro' variant. The 'Pro' in this doesn't make it 'better' it is only a reference to the footprint it uses (DPP). I had to look it up on their website to find out myself.
Meprolight has come out with two enclosed pistol optics that appear to have similar specifications. Two versions… on for slim pistols, and one for standard size pistols. I would be very interested to see your reviews of those optics. I think you do a very thorough job. Appreciate all you do
Are they truly RMS footprint? The image on the site is clearly ACRO
Great job on this video!
I'd love to see a head-to-Head comparison between the Multi-dot Compact version against the Holosun EPS Carry MRS Green; which has been my favorite and Go-To pistol optic.
and if it comes in FDE, that would be AWESOME!
I'm impressed, I bought one and will be getting another one.
My Sig Romeo-X Compact has been running great since September 2023. The big issue is being able to reach the glass to clean the lint, etc. and the fact that Sig doesn’t sell mounting screws to fit Glock or S&W pistols. Seriously Sig? The lens is very clear with no distortion or fish eye effect.
Your video was one of the reasons I went for the Romeo X Pro for my M18. Driving a nail with it and it held zero? Sold! Just didn't like the price. Bass Pro had a sale, and I had $80 in Bass Pro points, so I got it for right around $300. Conclusion? I love the thing. Works great on my M18, and I still have BUIS. Haven't ever had an issue with open emitter optics so I'm fine with that. Have a Cyelee Shark X Pro on my X Carry P320, and it holds its own with the Romeo, but is much larger. Still, happy with my purchase of a Romeo X Pro, and might pick up an enclosed one one day when there is a sale or something. I'm not gonna drive any nails with them, however...
I think the DPP (Sig) footprint has already had more options in terms of versatility. It would make sense for the DPP to become the standard, because the RMSc micro optics uses the same screw pattern. This makes for very low profile mounting plates, when needed.
I was bracing for bad news on the price, but all variants are less than an Acro, so it's actually quite palatable.
Perfect timing, I can return my Romeo x pro and order one of these
I use a torx bit for adjusting the site works great
He said hex in the video, but is looked like a Torx. Thanks!
We can only hope that the Romeo X enclosed is as “bulletproof” sturdy and reliable as the open emitter has proven to be. There’s very few channels that will do a hardcore torcher test on these expensive red dots. Actually your channel was only one of two that I saw
I don’t really care for enclosed emitters just because I don’t like how bulky they look but this one’s not that bad.
one problem with this optic: it doesn't actually fit on the DPP footprint. On both my Atlas and Beretta APX, the optic plates lugs are too wide to fit in the recesses of the optic. Sig's response was: just file the lugs off - sure Sig, great answer. How about you actually test your product and make it compatible with what you say.
My only complaint is that when putting on a 320-M18 is you loose the rear sights. With the open Romeo x pro, it has rear signs built in. I’m sure there’s some base plate with sights that you could get but that adds complexity and cost.
I picked up the RX-compact when it released and it's been my favorite carry optic every since. I have a gen 2 slide on my 365, so mounting the optic removed my rear irons. No problem though, because the RX-compact has a nice set of green fiber rear "irons" built in that co-witness perfectly with the front iron on the 365 slide. I was excited about this enclosed version, until I saw in the first few seconds of your video that they ditched the rear "irons" and it's just a flat plane. I don't understand this downgrade.
This 100% I don’t get it…
Well I do… they want to drive you to buy a new slide
My biggest thing with the old romeo-x vs EPS was the EPS just had more of what I was looking for. Big dot option, clear glass, lowest deck height apart from the X, very good glass, being enclosed is a (very) nice feature to have, and can be found regularly for sub $350. The X did a lot of those things and a few things better, but at $400+. So now that the new Sig X is checking those same boxes or is better but at the cost (pun) of more $$$, I will be keeping an eye on them for sure.
Side note: According to Sigs site, the objective window size is the same on both the compact and the pro versions (or am I just going crazy?).
The glass scratches super easy on my X’s
Weird - mine haven’t had issues
I really wanted to like the Sig, I had recently purchased a new Sig P320 RX with the new Romeo X. With only about 200 rounds on the gun one visit to the range my dot just simply vanished while shooting. Putting the gun down and loading another mag, the rod reappeared in the glass.
Try changing the battery if that doesn't work contact sigs support.
I gouged up the battery cap because I couldn't find a flat head screwdriver thick enough to get it off (quarter works of anyone else is wondering) contacted sig they sent out a new cap, a little tool kit and offered a discount on a future purchase.
The goodies they sent me i had 3 days after I contacted them so their turn around time is super fast.
And while we're on it, I've had zero issues with functionality of my RomeoX compact, has been solid.
The Wheeler Master kit has the correct size bit it.
Holosun SCS320 is also on the DPP foot print
Check out the Holosun SCS 320. DPP footprint. Solar recharging battery. Single button operation.
6:24 current pricing on SIG is $630 for the Compact and $690 for the Pro... ouch.
$479 for the regular dot ones
I just ordered a Pro model for $455 from Cabela’s after code for Club Members.
I was looking at getting an RMR HD but honestly this is looking like a better bet to me 👀🔥
The RMR HD has a really good auto-adjust feature. However I really like the co-witness of the factory sights.
I can’t help but wonder if an auto-adjust is next.
I'm hoping they make a green dot version one day. I'm getting the fully loaded Fuse with this RDS so I can't complain too much but it would have been perfect for me.
careful, the one that comes with fuse is the open not the enclosed. they pulled a bait and switch
@@bobbing4snapples thanks! I decided not to get one... I have an X Macro and a P365 XL on a Macro frame... a buddy of mine said it wouldn't be worth it.. I got a Shadow Systems XR920P instead :)
Never in a million years would I buy an sig optic. I had one that I got on my new 226 legion and it would turn off after three rounds and not work again . Sent it to Sig and they told me it was fine. Tried it again. Same problem. Replaced it with another brand and I have a dot every time I go to the range. Thanks to sig I had to buy two to get that one that works. I am convinced they are both made in china but the one I replaced the sig dot with works every time.
Romeo 1 was Chinese Romeo 1 pro was Japanese
I would be good either way if the customer support was there. Sig did nothing to resolve the problem. Not to be a hater but people should know.
Are you going to put it on your PX4 Compact?
With discounts you can pick up a eps 6 moa for around 320.
Seems good.
If it is a little shorter than the Trijicon RCR it should sell pretty well being 100-200 less.
This mildly pisses me off as I had purchased the ROSE variant for my wife. Now sig is releasing an objectively better product.
I think they should do a refit program and either convert/upgrade or replace Romeo X optics purchased before they released this.
Agreed. This is just BS but Id have to see this new one mounted on a p365X myself due to the fact they removed the "irons" from the base like the original Romeo X compact. Need to see if they still get that lower 3rd co-whitness. with standard height sights.
Im still waiting for the 365 to come with an ambi slide stop/release. Its 2024.
At that price... I'd trust the MPS or spend a bit more for a acro. but I know I'm one of the few who would prefer the mailbox dots.
MPs is a superior dot to the acro
Oh cool. I was going to buy the original RomeoX anyway as soon as I lowered by debt more...so now I can try this one out instead once that happens lol
I love my compact. It’s annoying that they ain’t do it from the get go. Too bad there’s no diy way to do it
When they make tan color version, I'll buy one.
Sig's website shows a significantly higher MSRP than what you listed...
because I quoted the MAP I was told - Sig shows the MSRP. MAP will be the eventual sell price
Curious what your carry gun is these days? Also, when you do the comparison video with the EPS, could you add the SCS 320 into the mix?
" It has beautifully clear glass."
Shows the most smudged, linty glass I've ever seen.😂
Buuuut, how does it compare to the open emitter Romeo X??
Trying to decide if it is worth the the effort to change from the Romeo X to the closed emitter Romeo X??
Cheers, Tony
You had me all the way up to the price.
if you can't afford the price difference between this and the EPS, how do you afford ammo?
@@allunavaliable The issue isn't affordability, it goes against my better judgment. Don't let my opinion stop you from buying one, but it won't make you a better shooter.
Damn, I just bought the old Romeo x and slide combo for the 365 lol
When you mounted it on the fuse did you torque it to 24 inch pounds as recommended? Just asking because that seems like a lot of torque for an optic
The Pro is listed on their site at $690 which is nuts. I’m hoping it’s just the meme because “lol 69” but what justification could they possibly have for that price tag?
We all know it doesn’t cost that much to make since the ACRO and RCR are both cheaper and made in western countries, and it’s not a gov contract thing since the Romeo M17 is for Uncle Sam.
Sig specs and buys very high end emitters. You do get what you pay for typically with Sig red dots, especially their higher end ones.
I believe it. Going from an MRO Patrol to a Romeo 4T was a massive improvement with glass and dot quality.
For someone new to red dot, for my Sig P226, would you recommend the 6 MOA or the Circle Dot on the new Sig enclosed Romeo x Pro? I've ruled out the 3 MOA after watching your videos.
I mostly shoot within 25 yards but I do, occasionally, like to go out to 100 yards, but this is just for "what ifs and giggles", to a large plate, and only ~2% of the time.
Thanks and don't stop the Dad jokes.
Circle dot is better training wheels. Sig does a good job with the 20 MOA circle - not too big to be useful for most pistol distances - 32 is too big - you can aim with the circle out to 8-10 yards depending on what you're trying to hit.
Thanks for the quick reply. Just to clarify, the Circle Dot is 32 MOA on the circle, not 20. Do you still feel the same?
Moving to the SCS EPS
Dammit! I just got a Romeo X Compact for my 365 Legion…🤦♂️
Great content, great channel! SIG could have and should have released the enclosed emitter sight along side the single glass open emitter red dot. It’s just shameful in my opinion that SIG customers just spent upwards of $400 for the best red dot sight on the market -in a compact sight anyway, and now have to choke up almost another $500 for the sight most shooters would have bought to begin with. Thanks for the marketing manipulation SIG. There’s lots of SIG products that I would have liked to spend my money on besides a “better” second sight for the same gun. I’ll just wait the next time..
So the story there wasn't intentionality - they started with the Romeo X as being enclosed - got called up by the military to develop the Romeo M17 - so the romeo X had to be redesigned from what they learned on the M17 project. At the time the M17 and RX went live - they were in the throes of redesigning the enclosed version. At the time - they had one robotic line so the more ready for prime time RX got the green light. Now - they have expanded their optics operation and have more capacity and the RXE is now a thing.
Serious question: After watching this video I got one of those "How did you like this video" surveys on my RUclips home page. You know, the ones with the star ranking and follow up question. Do those help you in any way, or are they just for RUclips's internal use?
Seriously why haven’t they released this enclosed version last year!
Like for the like God, comments for the comment throne!
To be totally honest, this sight just makes the Holosun options look more appealing. If I'm going to spend more than that, I'm sorry but I'd rather spring for an ACRO which honestly isn't much more than this Sig option.
I would love it but come on Sig that price is crazy!
I like this optic but I'm still leaning towards the Holosun SCS Carry. What is the better choice in your opinion?
Sig needed a decent handgun optic after their Romeo Zero gargantuan fail.
I think that was intended to be a slot filler on ramp optic where you could get a red dot as an upgrade for $100. Also the lines that they developed the manufacturing process on the RZ lead to the RX and now RXE - built by robots.
So which dot do you prefer for compact version?
And to tell you the truth the best company out there is vortex I don't know if anyone remembers when they came out with a CCW model the one that turned off after 10 hours or 14 hours or something like that I bought one for one of my concealed carry handguns and then a week later they come up with a new tha had the 10 minutes shutdown well that really pissed me off so I called up vortex and I told him what's up with you guys you charge $300 for an optic then you come up with a better one you know what they did they sent me the new one with the 10-minute shut off with a better electronics and I sent them back the old one that's a great company in my book
Did you have to pay the cost difference? Was there much diff old to new?
@@matthewbeaver5026 no I did not vortex is such a great company it took them less than 15 minutes to respond when I went on their website to find out about they brought out a new product and it wasn't even a complaint it was just I asked them a question and like I said took them 15 minutes within the next two days we were talking back and forth through email they sent me through the mail a UPS return package in the same package that I got the new optic I send them back the old one I didn't pay a dime out of pocket absolutely nothing if you have the old one let them know and see what they can do but I'll tell you what the new one is night and day 10 times better
@@matthewbeaver5026 no I didn't pay a dime out of pocket I paid nothing as soon as they contacted me through email emailing back and forth they sent me a return package through ups with the new optic and the box I just put the old optic in the new box that it came in and that was it and I'm going to tell you something the new optic is 10 times better it has that 10 minute shut off that shake awake the refresh rate is nonexistent a lot better you can't even tell the dot is Crystal clear it's night and day the new one is definitely worth it you just have you just have to respectfully complain and tell him hey listen this isn't right I paid this and now you guys are coming out with a new one hopefully it'll work I hope they give you a new one brother
@@matthewbeaver5026 hey brother I did not pay anything out of pocket vortex is a great company just try and contact them and respectfully ask them hey listen I got the old one you know it's not really fair I paid all this money for it now you came out with a brand new one can you do anything for me they might and they might not I don't know I kind of did it two days after the new one was released so maybe that's why they did it but it's definitely worth it the new one is 10 times better the refresh rate is non-existent the dot is more clear the glass is great it's definitely worth it if they can do it
@@matthewbeaver5026 I hope you're getting my responses because I replied three times but stupid RUclips I don't know what's going on I hope you got my replies but no I did not pay out of pocket and yes the brand new one is 10 times better
How does it compare to the battle tested Acro P2?
The DPP is a better footprint. RMR is good but not as great. The rmr is only as popular as it is because it was the only good option for a period of time.
Why does the enclosed version not have the rear fiber optics? I was going to replace my 507 on my OG XL without a rear sight, but I wanted a closed emitter with backup sights.
I am just here for the dad jokes 😂
why get rid of back up iron sights 😏
Sig still playing catch up to Holosun. I will stick with my Holosun EPS and EPS carry.
No - this isn’t catch up - this is superior
Lol: Sig drops a great optic
Holosun: hold my beer dont we make optics that don't require BATTERIES!!!!
I have an astigmatism and my sig romeo 5 red dot looks great compared to my holosun green dot. You think the dot size has something to do with that. I like this new sig I'm tempted to try in red.
I'm very interested in this.
How about a review of the Meprolight MPO Pro-S 3/33 MOA closed Pistol sight??? I'm really curious on they hold up. Thanks
$629.99 for the Compact and $689.99 for the Pro.
Yeah this is why I’m gonna have to keep buying Holosun
Cool.. Now maybe the EPS will be cheaper. lol. Competition is good.. I won't be buying another Sig though.. I have three Romeo1's and two of them eat batteries in a week, even when they are turned off.
Calling it the "Richie" is goofy. Nobody else is doing it and calling it by its actual name/designation isn't difficult or time consuming.
Bless your heart; you have to get a qtip!
Annoying when you are traveling and need them and don’t have them
its a T6 torx screw. EXTREAMLY common tool is all you need.
Hard to buy American seeing that sigs price makes it ez to not. Sig, aimpoint etc I'll just stick with holosun 😊 imo holosun is the good enuf optic brand. Now if u had the 226 x5 legion with these new dots that wud be a nice $3000 package 😅
Update: the clearer glass and lower profile has me very intrigued. So i probably will get one for my 365 axg legion 💯
The Sig site says $629.99???
if you want sig products, you gotta pay sig prices. i dont even look at sig stuff any more due to their crazy pricing.
How can they make optics in china and still charge trijicon prices ? Can get a Holosun eps sub $400 or a Steiner MPS for around $450 . This optic is not objectively better than either
so wait, you can't switch between reticles like on the standard Romeo-X?
Biggest gripe is price and no rear sight notch compared to the EPS carry
I’m getting one
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ I held off on the regular one because I wanted an enclosed optic, until LAST MONTH when I found it on a wild sale (I wonder why 🙃). Sure I like the Romeo x compact OE but I would’ve preferred the enclosed sucker.
same. I'm wondering hows the co-whitness with standard sights seeing that this model does not have the notch on the back. If so i will give this open one to my wife lol.
@@nutt1621 looks to me like they just leveled where the previous model’s irons were. Probably cowrites well enough
@@SolFireYT Yea thats what i was thinking after looking at it a bit more.
I don’t blame anyone for saving $150 to get the Holosun, but I’m willing to save up and spend that to avoid anything from China when possible (especially now that they’re supporting RU attack UKR).
Also, the point source emitters tend to look much crisper to me than most red dots (and I have an astigmatism).
the Sig dots - in general - behave better to my vision as well. It's hard to argue with those emitters/ glass coating combo for a pristine looking dot.
Sadly, the Romeo-X Pro Enclosed Circle Dot is not shipping yet and the latest update I received today is that it MIGHT ship by the end of the year (2024).
DPP is milspec, we'll see more MRDS come in that foot print. Nothing wrong with RMR but they lost the foot print war.