This should be a no brainger. Suits filed I'm every state result in multiple suits in every District Court, Appeals Courts, which at some point should be combined. At this point, SCOTUS shall grant certiorari to at least 1 of them. A class action suit of this magnitude would also force Congress to deal with it, either of their own accoard or after SCOTUS gorges them to.
A suppression device is the next level of hearing protection. Gate keeping access to these devices is counterintuitive to your argument. @@JohnLange-ip6er
I understand it's bullshit. 5th Circuit Court will hold a hearing on this case in December. Even if they rule that it's unconstitutional it can be challenged. If it is challenged then it can either be appealed for another hearing by the 5th circuit again or somehow sent up to the Supreme Court. We have between 1 and 2 more years before any finale decision is made on this specific suit because the left understands the law and process well enough to drag it out for the maximum amount of time.
@@Covencraft seems to be true. There's 2 ways to get them. 1: be a good citizen, pay the government to say your good..... Till they say you're not 2: Become Taliban or Ukrainian. They'll even just give you tanks at that point.
@@ArmedScholar I always find it odd that in Europe its harder to purchase a firearm and some firearms you can't at all, but you can walk into a sporting goods store and pick up a suppressor like buying milk
@@JohnBeebeI mean theres multiple firearms you couldn’t buy in America and you can’t just pay for one. You have to fill out paperwork. You have to be a certain age. I can grantee buying milk isn’t that bad. Secondly you said you can walk into a sporting goods and buy weapons/ suppressor. Hunting is a sport, competition shooting is also a sport. So yes it would make sense they would have them in sporting goods.
Because the doj is effectively mothballed. It now moonlights as a political crimes unit [shaking down banks or running guns to foreign cartels as Holder did] and if that rico action bores them... full on Stasi escapades- like dispatching frogmen to arrest one sleeping Roger Stone in the dead of night. They don't read the warrants obtained [speaking of fbi under their department], but they are careful to instruct deadly force when engaging an interstate robbery under color of authority [yes, removing items not specified on a warrant is an invention departing from a court order].
If i understand it correctly, the ATF exists to enforce the law, not make law. Law making is exclusively the role of congress (house and senate). Correct?
Congress has failed to control agencies they helped create with bad laws and it continues from there. The Federal courts can rule a law or agency practice Jul and void if malfeasance is at the core of the illegitimate acts by agents.
the ATF contradicts even themself in the same breath. "They are not firearms, therefore not protected by the 2nd amendment." but also "If they we're arms, they are dangerous and unusual and we should be able to regulate them in any case." is soo much BS
Contradictory is concise , in describing their actions, added to the fact that their very foundation is contrary to the constitution itself, and therefore rogue to it, and therefore nullified and devoid of the force of law !
if they are not arms, then the ATF has no justification for regulating and/or banning them. if they are not arms, and do not fire a projectile, then they can not be considered "dangerous" them being common place, disqualifies them from being "unusual", and even if they were "unusual" that in no way justifies banning/regulating them. Their claims are literal contradictions, but contradicting their own claims, as well as fact based reality.
Oklahoma thanks you for being nice to your neighbors on using a suppressor. They're currently working a bill to give the middle finger to the feds. SB 1551 'provides that a firearm suppressor manufactured and remaining in Oklahoma shall not be subject to federal law or federal regulation.'
"Shall not be infringed." That includes infringement by proxy, such as regulation of ammo capacity, accessories, size, function, availability of ammo and accessories, and the price of firearms, their accessories, and ammo.
@juanpena753 Firearm Suppressors cannot be considered "dangerous and unusual" since they are in common use by millions of gun owners as well as the US military and law enforcement for hearing protection. Furthermore, in 2020 the United States Marine Corps issued 30,000 Knights Armament Suppressors to their basic infantrymen for hearing protection
So, why hasn't anyone filed amicus briefs pointing out the absurd position of the ATF in regulating and taxing suppressors as firearms, and simultaneously saying that they aren't protected as bearable arms? Heller very clearly defines arms, and suppressors definitely meet that standard.
I just ordered my first suppressor. Waiting on the ATF to approve it now. Super excited! I've been a gun owner for almost 10 years now and have 10+ guns; I've even milled my own 80% lowers, but I never considered going through the process of filing a form 4, as I was apprehensive about submitting my fingerprints. Decided against buying the unlimited single shot trust, as I'd prefer to remain optimistic about the potential for the NFA to be repealed. It would be so nice to buy select fire weapons and suppressors without needing to pay exorbitant licensing and bribery fees.
It's been since March 20th 2024 I submitted my paper work through a trust still waiting I had my own ffl a state carry permit and have been an armed guard for over 12 years and currently work in my counties school system has armed security i have seen them come back in a couple days through standard trust but not mine
@@tonyperkis1282 contact your state/district reps. It really works. I submitted and contacted them the following week. Mine was approved 2 weeks after my email
Still missing the point that the ATF has no jurisdiction to create or enforce laws on anything but firearms - if the suppressor is not arms, they can't charge him with anything anymore then he could be charged with have apples in his fridge. Sooner or later someone needs to charge the ATF with fraud.
How can the ATF say that suppressors are not bearable arms and not protected under the 2nd amendment, and then in the same breath claim that they are dangerous arms, and need to be restricted? I really, genuinely do not understand, please help....
It’s because they don’t know how to argue about it anymore to regulate suppressors the way they wish they could without sounding completely absurd on their own arguments against suppressors. Their faltering flip flopping arguments show that their power has become weaker.
@TX_Nano Yes Sir or Ma'am, Your grasp of this case and observation that this particular Defendant needs immediate assistance from a competent attorney, is correct. This Defendant's current attorney, certainly appears to lack any familiarity with some of the most fundamentally important 2nd Amendment cases of late. Cases which have held hugely, important rulings, set forth by the SCOTUS, dealing with the proper judicial analysis, meaning & application of the 2nd Amendment, by lower courts, faced with a case of (similar impression*). (*Ie. a case, with a factually similar issue or judicial question arises), usually in an attempt to fall back on flawed logic or faulty interpretation of the law. The ATF seems to have a bad habit of bad thinking! In other words, "Thinking that going to Church makes you a Christian, is like thinking that standing in a garage, makes you a car!" So the Supreme Court has to explain the basic logic to them. Hopefully this fellow will get an attorney to explain BRUEN, HELLER, etc. to them before they find a Judge who while standing in a JIFFY LUBE looks up to see a rack of "AIR CLEANERS" or "OIL FILTERS", NEW IN THE BOX! Which being a Certified Professional, he knows a SUPPRESSOR when he sees one and...., HERE WE GO AGAIN!! LOL!
So the ATF claims that suppressors aren’t protected by the 2nd amendment because they are accessories, NOT firearms… but the ATF simultaneously classifies them as dangerous weapons to claim authority to regulate them under the NFA? Seems like a pretty serious contradiction.
I could see the argument that silencers aren’t arms as they aren’t firearms and therefore could be regulated by 2a but my response to that would be to ask why I still have to fill out a 4473 when I purchase one.
My ffl told me that if you have a ffl even your personality collection is under your license unless the shop and home are in 2 different places...and your personal actions are reflected on your ffl, it's not supposed to be but is...
They are charging a fee and a stamp for something in must country are recommended for hearing safety with in city limits or near farms or recommended while hunting of any type. A suppressor help manage recoil and noise . Basically you can say like a muffler for a car but for a gun.
Just submitted for mine yesterday, by the time and if they ever do away with having to wait for approval it’ll be a while. Their not gonna wanna let go of that $200
Arms == Weapons. The amendments were written in a time of bayonets and swords being among the arms of the day. If it's a weapon or armament it falls under the 2nd ammendment. If it's not it's outside the ATF's purview anyway. Way too much infringing going on.
I see value in this kind of video and this kind of 2A news.
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I was gonna say, the ATF saying something _isn't_ a firearm is rich considering the plethora of items that they call "firearms" that can neither be borne nor fire any projectiles.
Very interesting Definitely how they are playing with the definitions back and forth, like they are not satisfied with their original rulle set by themselves 😮
What if he was using them for PCP pellet guns to stablize pellet by removing air from the rear of the pellet. Very common practice. BB Guns are not Firearms
According to the ATF website, even for paintball/airguns they are considered NFA items. Even though you can just order them straight up. Basically, it's the same as any other interaction with government: You're not illegal until they decide that you are.
Do you ever offer your expertise to the lawyers representing the defendants? I think this would make a huge difference and impact towards our cause if you would help with important cases like this!!!
Any "RULE" that the ATF has enforced other than a serialized lower receiver is unconstitutional. They are just "RULES" that the ATF has made up without legislation.
serialized receivers cant be enforced either outside of bs commerce laws, you can build unserialized guns at home all day legally, you just cant sell them.
The atf admits Bruen may play a role? That alone says they know their own argument is invalid. The nfa process is internally arduous and I personally have proof of what they're lying about as I have the SOPs for both paper and eforms in-hand! There is NO reason for processing to take more than 3 business days.
If suppressors are not firearms according to the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms , then by their own admission, they have no jurisdiction over them at all, hence they have no case at all, without even bothering to mention that their very existence is unlawful according to the constitution , and in the concisely expressed reasons given by the founding fathers of our country's government, these aspects being seriously taken under consideration nullifies the BATF itself, entirely, therefore the supreme court Justice's are compelled to rule them as being rogue to the constitution of the United States of America, and therefore nullified in being defunct !
If suppressors “aren’t bearable arms protected under the 2nd amendment” then why are they regulated and taxed as “firearms” in other words “bearable arms”. Make it make sense!
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All right so my question is when, when is somebody going to look at a judge and go your honor they need to make up their minds!! Are the items firearms or are they accessories they can't have it both ways when is one of you going to bring that too a judges attention because that's what the ATF does like a 3-year-old child that's having a tantrum??
If suppressors are not bearable arms then they cannot also be considered a dangerous and unusual weapon. If it's not a bearable arm, the ATF has no authority to regulate them. Furthermore, is the NFA itself not keeping with the text, history, and tradition of the 2nd Amendment? It's time for the ATF to be put back in its place, this dog has been off the leash for *far* too long!
The prohibition on "cans" has ALWAYS been ridiculous. Back in the day, suppressors were used in the shooting galleries at amusement parks, to allow people who were sound-sensitive to be able to enjoy shooting. They were ALSO used by people who had hen houses to allow them to eliminate predators WITHOUT frightening the hens to the point where they'd stopped laying. Now, how "sinister" does that sound, to you?
The only correct precedent is the 2A. Anything that attempts to interpret, regulate, legislate, or otherwise infringe on that legal contractural restriction against the federal government is wrong. Period. End of discussion.
ATF: "Silencers are not bearable arms and therefore are not protected" "Silencers are dangerous weapons and therefore can be regulated" So SBR/SBS/Machineguns, etc are bearable arms so by the atf's own reasoning they are worthy of protection by the 2A, cant have it both ways. This is why they will lose and we are on the threshold of all of this being stripped away.
*Fun fact* 😊 Did you know that you can invest in packages with any logo you want printed on them, then fill them up with any kind of coffee there is then start selling "your own" coffee? Well now you know.
So if suppressors aren't bearable arms then why does the atf (firearms at the end) have any say in the manufacturing and distribution of them, suppressors aren't firearms
If saftey is not paramount then we need to abolish OSHA and the EPA. SAFTEY is my goal everyday I step out of my door to come back home to my family. Hearing is an integral part of my daily life. Supressors are very integral to a firearm for the lessened DB. Amazing one can get a ticket for too loud of a stereo, exhaust and so forth.
If the suppressor was so quiet and they couldn't hear it what does a serial number going to do for them when they can't even find the individual that did the job
So... basically, I will never see changes to the NFA or silencers within my lifetime. All while my own tax dollars are working to fight it. The house always wins, as they say.
I was 16 years old setting in the can of a quad 50 on a half track with no ear protection at all nearly 70 years ago. I still hear a little in left ear. Sad that every decision generates more court cases, then more laws that generate more challenges, meanwhile the people lay victims of the ABC agencies because they can't afford court challenges because the Supremes refuse to actually read the 2nd.
If they are are not arms then the atf shouldn't be able to regulate them. They are not the bureau of accessories they are the bureau of alcohol, firearms and explosives.
Oh cruel question, buy it now or not to buy. What concerns me is that if buy it now even if had no tax but just registration, that when if becames banned they would know exactly who owns it. Yeah they could also find records of firearms purchases but is not so simple. And them what? Pay $1k or more for a can and it need be turned in for free or buy back for stupid $50 gift card? Doesn’t matter what others say. They all say blah blah no one is taking it from me blah blah, but when shit becomes illegal they quickly low their voice and will turn it in.
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Do they support Kyle Ritt?
I need civil rights violation attorney.
Stop supporting lampshades who hate you.
Everyone who has firearm related hearing loss should be able to join a class action lawsuit against the US Government..
This should be a no brainger. Suits filed I'm every state result in multiple suits in every District Court, Appeals Courts, which at some point should be combined. At this point, SCOTUS shall grant certiorari to at least 1 of them. A class action suit of this magnitude would also force Congress to deal with it, either of their own accoard or after SCOTUS gorges them to.
They would probably just implement even more restrictive gun laws.
I agree!
lmao nobody is making you shoot without proper hearing protection thats all on you
A suppression device is the next level of hearing protection. Gate keeping access to these devices is counterintuitive to your argument. @@JohnLange-ip6er
OK BUT WHEN, WHEN DO WE GET TO STRAIGHT BUY A SUPPRESSOR FROM THE STORE? SO TIRED OF SEEING THESE VIDEOS THEN FINDING OUT NOTHING CHANGED!
I understand it's bullshit.
5th Circuit Court will hold a hearing on this case in December. Even if they rule that it's unconstitutional it can be challenged. If it is challenged then it can either be appealed for another hearing by the 5th circuit again or somehow sent up to the Supreme Court. We have between 1 and 2 more years before any finale decision is made on this specific suit because the left understands the law and process well enough to drag it out for the maximum amount of time.
Never
Go to downtown Chicago, they got everything you need! 😂 I'm kidding!!! Don't do that. They don't like "your kind round there!" ✌🏿
@@Covencraft seems to be true. There's 2 ways to get them.
1: be a good citizen, pay the government to say your good..... Till they say you're not
2: Become Taliban or Ukrainian. They'll even just give you tanks at that point.
Me to!!!!
It should be like buying a scope help your eyes, suppressor, protect your hearing.
100%
@@ArmedScholar I always find it odd that in Europe its harder to purchase a firearm and some firearms you can't at all, but you can walk into a sporting goods store and pick up a suppressor like buying milk
@@JohnBeebeI mean theres multiple firearms you couldn’t buy in America and you can’t just pay for one. You have to fill out paperwork. You have to be a certain age. I can grantee buying milk isn’t that bad. Secondly you said you can walk into a sporting goods and buy weapons/ suppressor. Hunting is a sport, competition shooting is also a sport. So yes it would make sense they would have them in sporting goods.
@@ArmedScholarit should be like buying a scope or optic it can help protect your hearing and is a good upgrade if you have nabor
Defund and abolish the ATF!
ATF should be a convenience store, not a government agency. A place to buy alcohol, tobacco,, and maybe firearms too if desired.
The ATF is an unconstitutional beauracracy.
And prosecute.
@@Jeff250lbc BINGO
All armed (government law enforcement) forces are considered a standing army and are not allowed by the constitution.
If suppressors were ruled not to be firearms then how is the ATF making “rule/laws” on them.
Because "It's good to be the King!"
Because the doj is effectively mothballed. It now moonlights as a political crimes unit [shaking down banks or running guns to foreign cartels as Holder did] and if that rico action bores them... full on Stasi escapades- like dispatching frogmen to arrest one sleeping Roger Stone in the dead of night. They don't read the warrants obtained [speaking of fbi under their department], but they are careful to instruct deadly force when engaging an interstate robbery under color of authority [yes, removing items not specified on a warrant is an invention departing from a court order].
If i understand it correctly, the ATF exists to enforce the law, not make law. Law making is exclusively the role of congress (house and senate). Correct?
Congress has failed to control agencies they helped create with bad laws and it continues from there. The Federal courts can rule a law or agency practice Jul and void if malfeasance is at the core of the illegitimate acts by agents.
@@bucket0rockssorta. President can make pres acts and they're considered as law, also. In checking w my state senators? They're pro.gun la
They’re an important tool for responsible gun owners and hunters, promoting hearing safety and reducing noise pollution.
Forgetting the current threat level without borders?
BUT IN THE MOVIES ONLY BAD GUYS HAVE THEM!!!
And they have the magical cans that sound like a whisper. Does every bad guy shoot a .17 caliber?
@@bartholomewceremony6981 are you saying suppressors are too dangerous because of the border being wide open?
It’s also a good way for the state to make an unrealistic amount of money by proposing and extortion tax 😢
A raid with 50 agents because someone didn't pay some fee... ?
Meanwhile fiddlers roam unafraid...
PDF's are a protected minority class if you're in a blue jurisdiction.
ATF raided me for building a suppressor ~10+ years ago. Destroyed my entire life for a long while.
And diddlers
I hate fiddlers
@@thejames3431 going through the same right now... Any advice?
the ATF contradicts even themself in the same breath. "They are not firearms, therefore not protected by the 2nd amendment." but also "If they we're arms, they are dangerous and unusual and we should be able to regulate them in any case." is soo much BS
Contradictory is concise , in describing their actions, added to the fact that their very foundation is contrary to the constitution itself, and therefore rogue to it, and therefore nullified and devoid of the force of law !
How can they even mess with suppressors because they're not firearms
If they're not arms the state can restrict them. "Not protected by the 2A" that argument seems like a double edged sword.
@mostdavestdave69 it being left to the States would be better imo. Federally fucks everyone
@@mostdavestdave69 that's bullshit Constitution is the law of the land at least I thought
@@mostdavestdave69states can do that anyway.
@@mostdavestdave69 They are a firearm accessory or part of a firearm and are 100% protected by our constitution the same as a trigger or barrel is.
if they are not arms, then the ATF has no justification for regulating and/or banning them.
if they are not arms, and do not fire a projectile, then they can not be considered "dangerous"
them being common place, disqualifies them from being "unusual", and even if they were "unusual" that in no way justifies banning/regulating them.
Their claims are literal contradictions, but contradicting their own claims, as well as fact based reality.
To use the Anti-Gun's own argument against them: Literally no other country messes with Suppressors like the ATF does. Even the UK doesn't.
Oklahoma thanks you for being nice to your neighbors on using a suppressor. They're currently working a bill to give the middle finger to the feds. SB 1551 'provides that a firearm suppressor manufactured and remaining in Oklahoma shall not be subject to federal law or federal regulation.'
Texas has been in that same battle for a few years now. Don't hold your breath.
Texas passed that years ago, yet here we are still in legal battles and no suppressors here in Texas...
It's simple the ATF doesn't want you to have/use something that they would use on you!!!!
Duh
"Shall not be infringed." That includes infringement by proxy, such as regulation of ammo capacity, accessories, size, function, availability of ammo and accessories, and the price of firearms, their accessories, and ammo.
I can't believe that the ATF can say some is a firearm and isn't in the same argument and yet retain funding from the government .
An inert metal pipe with threads on the end is a dangerous and unusual item.
K
Sounds like my bathroom.
@juanpena753 Firearm Suppressors cannot be considered "dangerous and unusual" since they are in common use by millions of gun owners as well as the US military and law enforcement for hearing protection.
Furthermore, in 2020 the United States Marine Corps issued 30,000 Knights Armament Suppressors to their basic infantrymen for hearing protection
Thank you Anthony for covering my case
Wow! I'm going to follow this case for sure. I hope you get a ruling in your favor
It's as simple as protecting your hearing. Go Anthony! Keep up the great job brother!!!
So, why hasn't anyone filed amicus briefs pointing out the absurd position of the ATF in regulating and taxing suppressors as firearms, and simultaneously saying that they aren't protected as bearable arms? Heller very clearly defines arms, and suppressors definitely meet that standard.
Congress declared they are firearms in the NFA.
nullification clause?
I just ordered my first suppressor. Waiting on the ATF to approve it now. Super excited! I've been a gun owner for almost 10 years now and have 10+ guns; I've even milled my own 80% lowers, but I never considered going through the process of filing a form 4, as I was apprehensive about submitting my fingerprints.
Decided against buying the unlimited single shot trust, as I'd prefer to remain optimistic about the potential for the NFA to be repealed. It would be so nice to buy select fire weapons and suppressors without needing to pay exorbitant licensing and bribery fees.
I too had mine done individually, hoping that it will be the only one I do that way.
I ordered mine 3 months ago. It took Only a month and a week to get. Hope it’s quick for you as well
@@travisbaker1935 thanks! I hope so, too! It's sad that a month is "quick", in this case lol
It's been since March 20th 2024 I submitted my paper work through a trust still waiting I had my own ffl a state carry permit and have been an armed guard for over 12 years and currently work in my counties school system has armed security i have seen them come back in a couple days through standard trust but not mine
@@tonyperkis1282 contact your state/district reps. It really works. I submitted and contacted them the following week. Mine was approved 2 weeks after my email
Still missing the point that the ATF has no jurisdiction to create or enforce laws on anything but firearms - if the suppressor is not arms, they can't charge him with anything anymore then he could be charged with have apples in his fridge. Sooner or later someone needs to charge the ATF with fraud.
Don't forget the murder charges.
Are they doing anything like this to the alcohol , tobacco, or explosives industries???
"Still missing the point that the ATF has no jurisdiction. "
There. Fixed it for you.
They don’t have the lawful ability to create laws on ANYTHING, only congress can do that….
Has any 2a lawyer argued since ATF does not consider suppressors fire arms then they cannot regulate them?
NAGR and GOA need to go as co-counsles or submit Amicus Briefs.
Can anyone explain the logic of why suppressor are restrictions? I can’t fathom a single illegitimate reason let alone legitimate.
How can the ATF say that suppressors are not bearable arms and not protected under the 2nd amendment, and then in the same breath claim that they are dangerous arms, and need to be restricted? I really, genuinely do not understand, please help....
It’s because they don’t know how to argue about it anymore to regulate suppressors the way they wish they could without sounding completely absurd on their own arguments against suppressors. Their faltering flip flopping arguments show that their power has become weaker.
NO REASON why Suppressors should be regulated to this RIDICULOUS level❗👎😷
It's STUPID 🙄
I hope it passes
Might be time for a certain armed scholar to submit an amicus brief to the 5th circuit laying out the proper Bruen arguments.
@TX_Nano
Yes Sir or Ma'am,
Your grasp of this case and observation that this particular Defendant needs immediate assistance from a competent attorney, is correct.
This Defendant's current attorney, certainly appears to lack any familiarity with some of the most fundamentally important 2nd Amendment cases of late.
Cases which have held hugely, important rulings, set forth by the SCOTUS, dealing with the proper judicial analysis, meaning & application of the 2nd Amendment, by lower courts, faced with a case of (similar impression*).
(*Ie. a case, with a factually similar issue or judicial question arises), usually in an attempt to fall back on flawed logic or faulty interpretation of the law.
The ATF seems to have a bad habit of bad thinking!
In other words,
"Thinking that going to Church makes you a Christian, is like thinking that standing in a garage, makes you a car!"
So the Supreme Court has to explain the basic logic to them. Hopefully this fellow will get an attorney to explain BRUEN, HELLER, etc. to them before they find a Judge who while standing in a JIFFY LUBE looks up to see a rack of "AIR CLEANERS" or "OIL FILTERS", NEW IN THE BOX! Which being a Certified Professional, he knows a SUPPRESSOR when he sees one and...., HERE WE GO AGAIN!! LOL!
The Miller ruling should be cited in any 2A case against the NFA/GCA. Everything controlled by both are currently in use by the military.
So the ATF claims that suppressors aren’t protected by the 2nd amendment because they are accessories, NOT firearms… but the ATF simultaneously classifies them as dangerous weapons to claim authority to regulate them under the NFA? Seems like a pretty serious contradiction.
Eagerly awaiting a good ruling in this one. I really want a suppressor but I'm keeping my muffs on for now
Small steps, but never going to happen in the 9th circus.
Abolish 9th circus ban all the amusement park in the u.s all of them is clowns.
My case is actually being heard in the 5th Circuit which is very Pro 2A
I could see the argument that silencers aren’t arms as they aren’t firearms and therefore could be regulated by 2a but my response to that would be to ask why I still have to fill out a 4473 when I purchase one.
My ffl told me that if you have a ffl even your personality collection is under your license unless the shop and home are in 2 different places...and your personal actions are reflected on your ffl, it's not supposed to be but is...
I'm not a YoYo but being treated like one makes my ears ring and blood pressure shoot up.
-Combat Vet
They are charging a fee and a stamp for something in must country are recommended for hearing safety with in city limits or near farms or recommended while hunting of any type. A suppressor help manage recoil and noise . Basically you can say like a muffler for a car but for a gun.
Every time I watch your videos. All I can think is damn this dude is so fricking smart. Love the lessons. Keep it up
Just submitted for mine yesterday, by the time and if they ever do away with having to wait for approval it’ll be a while. Their not gonna wanna let go of that $200
Mufflers on loud things should be a government requirement
Don;t say that, they'll serialize and tax stamp mufflers next. Cali probably already has.
Arms == Weapons. The amendments were written in a time of bayonets and swords being among the arms of the day. If it's a weapon or armament it falls under the 2nd ammendment. If it's not it's outside the ATF's purview anyway. Way too much infringing going on.
nfa is a tax on a constitutional right.
I see value in this kind of video and this kind of 2A news.
I was gonna say, the ATF saying something _isn't_ a firearm is rich considering the plethora of items that they call "firearms" that can neither be borne nor fire any projectiles.
Very interesting Definitely how they are playing with the definitions back and forth, like they are not satisfied with their original rulle set by themselves 😮
Another day of shell games, which starts misdirection and illusions….
About damn time, either these aren't arms and the ATF has no authority, or they are in which shall not be infringed is in full effect.
What if he was using them for PCP pellet guns to stablize pellet by removing air from the rear of the pellet. Very common practice. BB Guns are not Firearms
According to the ATF website, even for paintball/airguns they are considered NFA items. Even though you can just order them straight up.
Basically, it's the same as any other interaction with government: You're not illegal until they decide that you are.
The ATF should not be involved if it is not a firearm!
It is not alcohol, And it is not tobacco!
The ATF is clearly overreaching!
Do you ever offer your expertise to the lawyers representing the defendants? I think this would make a huge difference and impact towards our cause if you would help with important cases like this!!!
Thank you for breaking this case down and following it closely enough for the rest of us to understand 🤙🏿
Saving one’s hearing is so very important
Why are suppressors regulated? Aren’t they a piece of safety equipment? Protecting hearing and lessening noise pollution.
50 apf agents?Thats just some serious overkill....talk about spending money.
Any "RULE" that the ATF has enforced other than a serialized lower receiver is unconstitutional. They are just "RULES" that the ATF has made up without legislation.
Serial numbers didn't exist until the 60s. Our country was fine before them for 200 years.
serialized receivers cant be enforced either outside of bs commerce laws, you can build unserialized guns at home all day legally, you just cant sell them.
The atf admits Bruen may play a role? That alone says they know their own argument is invalid.
The nfa process is internally arduous and I personally have proof of what they're lying about as I have the SOPs for both paper and eforms in-hand!
There is NO reason for processing to take more than 3 business days.
So let me digest this, they cited him for a so called firearm but the item is not a firearm and it is just an accessory? I am confused 🤔.
If suppressors are not firearms according to the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms , then by their own admission, they have no jurisdiction over them at all, hence they have no case at all, without even bothering to mention that their very existence is unlawful according to the constitution , and in the concisely expressed reasons given by the founding fathers of our country's government, these aspects being seriously taken under consideration nullifies the BATF itself, entirely, therefore the supreme court Justice's are compelled to rule them as being rogue to the constitution of the United States of America, and therefore nullified in being defunct !
If suppressors “aren’t bearable arms protected under the 2nd amendment” then why are they regulated and taxed as “firearms” in other words “bearable arms”. Make it make sense!
How do/ what is the best way for us non-attorney citizens to help this case?
how is the atf allowed to double dip saying its not a firearm but also is a firearm, thats BS
Yes. It is b.s.
We need to grit teeth and get different ppl in there to run things.
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Thank you for explaining these cases so very detailed and well!👍
People that own suppressors do not care, it is the entire point
Apply NFA laws to voting. Should one have to get government permission and pay a tax to vote? Submit fingerprints to vote? etc.
If they come off the NFA, I’ll have one for every caliber I own! 👍
I hope this means we can get them in CA
Either a suppressor is a firearm and is protected under the 2nd ammendment or a suppressor is not a firearm which puts it out of the ATF jurisdiction
Very bizarre that the defendants attorney is 2 years behind on case law, hopefully they are brought up to speed and can amend their briefs.
Thanks for keeping us informed!
All right so my question is when, when is somebody going to look at a judge and go your honor they need to make up their minds!! Are the items firearms or are they accessories they can't have it both ways when is one of you going to bring that too a judges attention because that's what the ATF does like a 3-year-old child that's having a tantrum??
If suppressors are not bearable arms then they cannot also be considered a dangerous and unusual weapon. If it's not a bearable arm, the ATF has no authority to regulate them. Furthermore, is the NFA itself not keeping with the text, history, and tradition of the 2nd Amendment? It's time for the ATF to be put back in its place, this dog has been off the leash for *far* too long!
Anything registered is a burden
GOD BLESS OUR RIGHTS ESPECIALLY WITH 2amendment!!!
The prohibition on "cans" has ALWAYS been ridiculous. Back in the day, suppressors were used in the shooting galleries at amusement parks, to allow people who were sound-sensitive to be able to enjoy shooting. They were ALSO used by people who had hen houses to allow them to eliminate predators WITHOUT frightening the hens to the point where they'd stopped laying. Now, how "sinister" does that sound, to you?
The only correct precedent is the 2A. Anything that attempts to interpret, regulate, legislate, or otherwise infringe on that legal contractural restriction against the federal government is wrong. Period. End of discussion.
great analysis as always!
Thanks for the info! Keep it going👊🏻
ATF: "Silencers are not bearable arms and therefore are not protected" "Silencers are dangerous weapons and therefore can be regulated"
So SBR/SBS/Machineguns, etc are bearable arms so by the atf's own reasoning they are worthy of protection by the 2A, cant have it both ways. This is why they will lose and we are on the threshold of all of this being stripped away.
*Fun fact* 😊
Did you know that you can invest in packages with any logo you want printed on them, then fill them up with any kind of coffee there is then start selling "your own" coffee?
Well now you know.
Completely disband all federal law enforcement. Law enforcement doesnt need to go above state level. Really about county sherrifs.
So if suppressors aren't bearable arms then why does the atf (firearms at the end) have any say in the manufacturing and distribution of them, suppressors aren't firearms
Down with the NFA AND THE ATF!
If saftey is not paramount then we need to abolish OSHA and the EPA. SAFTEY is my goal everyday I step out of my door to come back home to my family. Hearing is an integral part of my daily life. Supressors are very integral to a firearm for the lessened DB. Amazing one can get a ticket for too loud of a stereo, exhaust and so forth.
Sounds like somebody needs to find a new lawyer.
Now we need a lawsuit for SBR’s.
If the suppressor was so quiet and they couldn't hear it what does a serial number going to do for them when they can't even find the individual that did the job
The serial numbers are critical to them so when they need to seize them they know where to go.
It's a muffler...this whole thing is ridiculous...
So... basically, I will never see changes to the NFA or silencers within my lifetime. All while my own tax dollars are working to fight it.
The house always wins, as they say.
I hope they appeal to scotus
I was 16 years old setting in the can of a quad 50 on a half track with no ear protection at all nearly 70 years ago. I still hear a little in left ear. Sad that every decision generates more court cases, then more laws that generate more challenges, meanwhile the people lay victims of the ABC agencies because they can't afford court challenges because the Supremes refuse to actually read the 2nd.
If they are are not arms then the atf shouldn't be able to regulate them. They are not the bureau of accessories they are the bureau of alcohol, firearms and explosives.
For the Algorisms
Thank You Anthony 👍😎👍
In an ideal world suppressors would be sold from store SHELVES❗
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Too many people watching too many movies making suppressors very SCARY!
Great information. Keep us informed sir.
Kudos to air guns. They are getting better each year.
Thanks for the update!
Oh cruel question, buy it now or not to buy. What concerns me is that if buy it now even if had no tax but just registration, that when if becames banned they would know exactly who owns it. Yeah they could also find records of firearms purchases but is not so simple. And them what? Pay $1k or more for a can and it need be turned in for free or buy back for stupid $50 gift card? Doesn’t matter what others say. They all say blah blah no one is taking it from me blah blah, but when shit becomes illegal they quickly low their voice and will turn it in.
Sick of the government trying to Parent bunch of adults especially lawful ones.
can we support this case monetarily?
@@allensmith8953 YES