Eder Jofre sempre será um orgulho nacional, mesmo que hoje em dia ninguém o reconheça. Eder Jofre always will be a brazilian proud, even nowadays few recognize him
Two of the greatest boxers ever! Eder Jofre a Brazilian boxer who was considered by many experts the best fighter poud-for-pound in the world was undefeated until this fight with 52 wins. He finished his career with a record of 72-2-2 with 50 knockouts... unfortunatly this two loses were to harada; both times in a split decision and in Japan. Harada left a record of 55-7 with 22 knockouts.
Thanks for the clarification. I've never given much thought as to where to rate Jofre all time pound for pound. I thought that you meant top 20 Bantamweights and I just couldn't figure how anyone could not rate Jofre in the top 20 all time bw.
You have a LOT to learn about boxing. Harada was a great fighter, Jofre struggled with weight for both these "past prime" fights. He would retire and come back to win the festherweight title. I'd like to see your top 20! Jofre is one og the three GREASTEST fighters to EVER step into a ring, and size-anyweight!!! -Rick Farris World Boxing Hall of Fame- Director/Historian
What I know of Jofre. A great Bantamweight with wins over guys like Medel, Caldwell, Caraballo, etc and Featherweight wins after his comeback against guys like Saldivar(at the end of his career) and Jose Legra(same). His resume is what falls short of ATG status, but his dominance, and his comeback put him there. In the lower weight classes, often fighters age sooner, and for a fighter to make a comeback after showing signs of decline already is remarkable, especially considering he moved up.
Não podemos tirar o crédiro do Harada, ele foi um bom lutador, porém o Éder Jofre era um cara acima da média, fora de série e concerteza para destituir o título de um campeão é necessário muito mais do que conectar alguns golpes. Nessa luta não houve justiça, mas... nem sempre no boxe há justiça, o mundo é injusto e no boxe como podemos ver não é diferente -mais uma HOME DECISION . Éder Jofre, um dos únicos campeões invicto.
i understand your arguement. Most boxing fans today judge fighters by who they fought rather than how they fought. He spent a great portion of his career as a Thai Kick Boxer and was a legend at that. he did'nt start orthodox boxing till he was 21. I thought he was great at least, he was a true champ in my book. I think he would've beaten anyone at his weight during his era. Why he did,nt fight Moon we'll never know but i don't take that away from him.
Ranking fighters depends entirely on the criteria being used. If two people don't agree on the criteria, there is no real discussion. Even giving a ranking without criteria is meaningless. Those discussions are quickly very tedious. Jofre and Harada were both great and this was an exciting fight for the action, the setting and the significance. It doesn't get much better.
Yep, and Eder Jofre was a vegetarian at the time, since 1956, great human being. E o Éder Jofre era vegetariano na altura,desde 1956, grande ser humano.
for the flyweight division, yes.i can't pick anyone at that division that hit as hard as he did. he had an iron chin as well.i'm probably not going to change your mind but give the guy a break, he accomplished alot in a tough sport.
I'd actually favor Jofre over the two of them, Olivares being the closer bout, and the more exciting bout. Still, I stand by what I said, there is no argument whatsoever for rating Jofre that high all time. At Bantamweight, yes. P4P, no.
He's arguably the #1 BW of all time, so I agree on that, but he was nowhere near past his best, he was in the heart of his prime, that claim holds no water whatsoever. I was saying he was not a top 20 P4P, he is the greatest Bantamweight.
Harada won the fight by decision by using his marauding style to offset Jofre's attack. I wish the whole fight was posted because this fight and the rematch that Harada also won were classic's
And hitting hard is a just reason for ranking among the top 20 P4P fighters in the history of a 120 year old sport over 17 weight classes? There have been quite a few fighters that hit hard, I doubt he'd rank among the top 20 under that criteria alone.
eder jofre perdeu pq a luva do japones parece que e mais seca e um pouco menor e tam bem pq o japones harada acertou um golpe muito preciso pq ele se defende muito com a esquerda e protege o rosto com a direita o japones percebeu isso o que que ele ele deu passo pra esquerda e e encaxou a direita alem disso ele conseguiu apoiar a perna direita por isso foi um golpe forte da pra ouvir (1:124).
Heart, definitely displayed by both guys. But then again, what do you expect from a guy who on one hand was a dominant bantamweight champion and only lost twice in his career...to a guy who's nickname is "Fighting". If that's your nickname, people know you've got heart, the only guys worthy of carrying that mantle these days are guys like Gatti and Corrales.
In the Super Flyweight division he probably hit has hard as anyone, though he has some competition from guys like Moon and Darchinyan. Overall though, through all weight classes and taking into account more than just power, there's no way he belongs anywhere near a top 20. There are a few fighters from his own division who deserve to rank higher based on accomplishments, as they actually fought the best around the time, whereas Galaxy didn't.
Jofre is universally regarded by boxing authorities as one of the top five greatest Bantamweights of all time. Jofre lost his two fights to Harada (another all time great Bantamweight and Flyweight) because he was slightly past his best and had difficulty making weight. If you think that Jofre (70-2-4, 50 KO) doesn't even deserves to rank in the top 20 all time Bantamweights then you just haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.
Undoubtedly, Rustico seems it was a good fighter, but with varied career,'' a'' win-lose, and carry to the grave victory over pacquio. I do not think it correct to use derogatory words against any fighter because boxing is the noble art, and respect is the first rule.
If you were referring to me, here's my top 20, in no order: Robinson, Greb, Armstrong, Langford, Ali, Duran, Charles, Leonard, Ross, B. Leonard, Whitaker, Pep, Louis, Walcott(Barbados), Walker, Gans, Fitzsimmons, Moore, Monzon, Hagler. Now, which of those does Jofre outrank? Also, who does he outrank out of guys like Arguello, Griffith, Canzoneri, Chavez, Saddler, Tunney, etc? I need to learn my boxing? No, I just don't rate Jofre quite as high as the above. I await your response.
I'm pretty sure the previous post was not authored by Rick Farris. And if it was, he's totally blown his cover as a credible source. Jofre was a fine fighter with a terrific record but my money's on Olivares and Zarate to knock him out within 10 rounds. A top three fighter P4P? That's outta' hand right there. Settle down there "monicapinhodemenezes"...or whoever you are.
I don't know about that. I'd be find it hard to determine the winner in either of those hypothetical matches. But Jofre is more consistent than Olivares; and he's more multi-faceted than Zarate.
Do you think Ricardo Lopez is a top 10 ATG? Obviously Jofre has a better resume than Lopez, but neither are ranked according to that, but rather their skills, dominance, and consistency. What I'd like yo uto do is tell me how he'd outrank Armstrong, Greb, or Robinson if he's top 3. While we're at it, how does he outrank Langford. The above 3 have infinitely better resumes, and were multi weight greats. How does he outrank them? For a Hall Of Fame Historian, you sure don't know your stuff.
You want me to tell you what I know of the fighters I named? What do you think I did? Just randomly assorted them after looking at a lot of historian's lists? What a close0minded fool you are. You act like I'm insulting Jofre. Anyone who claims a fighter with Jofre's resume(even with his amazing comeback and great consistency) is a top 3 ATG is the one who hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
Undoubtedly, Pacquio is a great fighter and would beat Harada and Eder, however, I'm sure Pacquio not call them'' tomato cans''. Disrespect is not part of the sport, and does not serve civilized relations. Disregarded the Filipinos, who once said'' that Filipinos are worth less than a dog'' and had shot, anyone older than 10 years in the Philippines. '' You remember the suburbs of hell''?
CONCORDO Q SANTIAGO FERNANDES E TAMBEM JUAREZ DE LIMA ERAM MELHORES QUE MIQUEL DE OLIVEIRA, MAS OLIVEIRA FOI CAMPEAO SIM, BATENDO WAJIMA E DURAN. E PERDEU PARA UM CARA DAS BAHAMAS NAO PRA JAPONES
How do you justify Galaxy ranking in there? He ranks about 5th of his era in just his division. He has to be the most overrated fighter ever, despite the fact that only die-hard fans know of him. Almost all of them except the informed seem to think he rates extremely high for one reason or another, likely Ring Magazine's incompetent ranking of him. There is no reason he should even rate above the other JBW's of that era like Watanabe, Moon, Konadu, and Roman. Caprentier is also quite overrated.
Two of the greatest boxers ever! Eder Jofre a Brazilian boxer who was considered by many experts the best fighter poud-for-pound in the world was undefeated until this fight with 52 wins. He finished his career with a record of 72-2-2 with 50 knockouts... unfortunatly this two loses were to harada; both times in a split decision and in Japan. Harada left a record of 55-7 with 55 knockouts
What I know of Jofre. A great Bantamweight with wins over guys like Medel, Caldwell, Caraballo, etc and Featherweight wins after his comeback against guys like Saldivar(at the end of his career) and Jose Legra(same). His resume is what falls short of ATG status, but his dominance, and his comeback put him there. In the lower weight classes, often fighters age sooner, and for a fighter to make a comeback after showing signs of decline already is remarkable, especially considering he moved up.
On the other hand, he's two razor-thin losses to probably the greatest flyweight and top 10 all-time bantamweight away from retiring undefeat in almost 80 fights.
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Eder Jofre sempre será um orgulho nacional, mesmo que hoje em dia ninguém o reconheça.
Eder Jofre always will be a brazilian proud, even nowadays few recognize him
Two of the greatest boxers ever! Eder Jofre a Brazilian boxer who was considered by many experts the best fighter
poud-for-pound in the world was undefeated until this fight with 52 wins. He finished his career with a record of 72-2-2 with
50 knockouts... unfortunatly this two loses were to harada; both times in a split decision and in Japan. Harada left a record of 55-7 with 22 knockouts.
Fighting Harada was in bad shape at the end of the 5th round. Man, he caught some wicked shots from Eder Jofre! Both of them were great champions!
Thanks for the clarification. I've never given much thought as to where to rate Jofre all time pound for pound. I thought that you meant top 20 Bantamweights and I just couldn't figure how anyone could not rate Jofre in the top 20 all time bw.
Great footage of 2 all time greats that never get their just due when talking about the greatest boxers ever.
You have a LOT to learn about boxing. Harada was a great fighter, Jofre struggled with weight for both these "past prime" fights. He would retire and come back to win the festherweight title. I'd like to see your top 20! Jofre is one og the three GREASTEST fighters to EVER step into a ring, and size-anyweight!!!
-Rick Farris
World Boxing Hall of Fame- Director/Historian
What I know of Jofre. A great Bantamweight with wins over guys like Medel, Caldwell, Caraballo, etc and Featherweight wins after his comeback against guys like Saldivar(at the end of his career) and Jose Legra(same).
His resume is what falls short of ATG status, but his dominance, and his comeback put him there. In the lower weight classes, often fighters age sooner, and for a fighter to make a comeback after showing signs of decline already is remarkable, especially considering he moved up.
Não podemos tirar o crédiro do Harada, ele foi um bom lutador, porém o Éder Jofre era um cara acima da média, fora de série e concerteza para destituir o título de um campeão é necessário muito mais do que conectar alguns golpes. Nessa luta não houve justiça, mas... nem sempre no boxe há justiça, o mundo é injusto e no boxe como podemos ver não é diferente -mais uma HOME DECISION . Éder Jofre, um dos únicos campeões invicto.
Reading Ippo, finding this video
japan,philippines and thailand has one of the greatest asian boxer in asia..
i understand your arguement. Most boxing fans today judge fighters by who they fought rather than how they fought. He spent a great portion of his career as a Thai Kick Boxer and was a legend at that. he did'nt start orthodox boxing till he was 21. I thought he was great at least, he was a true champ in my book. I think he would've beaten anyone at his weight during his era. Why he did,nt fight Moon we'll never know but i don't take that away from him.
Jofre dois e un que no tene FH, Jofre est magnifico, mas Harada mais.
Ranking fighters depends entirely on the criteria being used. If two people don't agree on the criteria, there is no real discussion. Even giving a ranking without criteria is meaningless. Those discussions are quickly very tedious.
Jofre and Harada were both great and this was an exciting fight for the action, the setting and the significance. It doesn't get much better.
Yep, and Eder Jofre was a vegetarian at the time, since 1956, great human being.
E o Éder Jofre era vegetariano na altura,desde 1956, grande ser humano.
for the flyweight division, yes.i can't pick anyone at that division that hit as hard as he did. he had an iron chin as well.i'm probably not going to change your mind but give the guy a break, he accomplished alot in a tough sport.
NOBODY FIGHTS LIKE EDER JOFRE
TODAY PACQUIO STAND UP JUST 5 OR 6 ROUNDS
THE BRAZILIAN EDER IS TO BOXING WHAT PELÉ IS TO FOOTBALL
KING KING KING
Jesus, did Jofre ever take a beating like he took in round 4?
i don't know if i agree with you. That guy hit hard.
wheres the rest of it/?
I'd actually favor Jofre over the two of them, Olivares being the closer bout, and the more exciting bout. Still, I stand by what I said, there is no argument whatsoever for rating Jofre that high all time. At Bantamweight, yes. P4P, no.
He's arguably the #1 BW of all time, so I agree on that, but he was nowhere near past his best, he was in the heart of his prime, that claim holds no water whatsoever.
I was saying he was not a top 20 P4P, he is the greatest Bantamweight.
Harada won the fight by decision by using his marauding style to offset Jofre's attack. I wish the whole fight was posted because this fight and the rematch that Harada also won were classic's
And hitting hard is a just reason for ranking among the top 20 P4P fighters in the history of a 120 year old sport over 17 weight classes? There have been quite a few fighters that hit hard, I doubt he'd rank among the top 20 under that criteria alone.
You a funny bunny, mang. Not even Rolando Navarrete could beat either one of them.
eder jofre perdeu pq a luva do japones parece que e mais seca e um pouco menor e tam bem pq o japones harada acertou um golpe muito preciso pq ele se defende muito com a esquerda e protege o rosto com a direita o japones percebeu isso o que que ele ele deu passo pra esquerda e e encaxou a direita alem disso ele conseguiu apoiar a perna direita por isso foi um golpe forte da pra ouvir (1:124).
Harada tava dopado full
quem e dos dois eder jofre?
Heart, definitely displayed by both guys. But then again, what do you expect from a guy who on one hand was a dominant bantamweight champion and only lost twice in his career...to a guy who's nickname is "Fighting". If that's your nickname, people know you've got heart, the only guys worthy of carrying that mantle these days are guys like Gatti and Corrales.
In the Super Flyweight division he probably hit has hard as anyone, though he has some competition from guys like Moon and Darchinyan. Overall though, through all weight classes and taking into account more than just power, there's no way he belongs anywhere near a top 20. There are a few fighters from his own division who deserve to rank higher based on accomplishments, as they actually fought the best around the time, whereas Galaxy didn't.
Well it appears Mr Rick Farris of the Boxing HOF has been stumped by a random RUclips poster. Kinda makes you question his credentials doesn't it?
Jofre is universally regarded by boxing authorities as one of the top five greatest Bantamweights of all time.
Jofre lost his two fights to Harada (another all time great Bantamweight and Flyweight) because he was slightly past his best and had difficulty making weight.
If you think that Jofre (70-2-4, 50 KO) doesn't even deserves to rank in the top 20 all time Bantamweights then you just haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.
Who won the fight?
Harada
Undoubtedly, Rustico seems it was a good fighter, but with varied career,'' a'' win-lose, and carry to the grave victory over pacquio. I do not think it correct to use derogatory words against any fighter because boxing is the noble art, and respect is the first rule.
Ops sorry, Harada had a record off 55-7 with 22 knockouts.
people love to slander and talk a lot of nonsense.
Eder foi ROUBADO
LOL. Dude removed his own comment upon realization of how stupid it was. Good call.
If you were referring to me, here's my top 20, in no order: Robinson, Greb, Armstrong, Langford, Ali, Duran, Charles, Leonard, Ross, B. Leonard, Whitaker, Pep, Louis, Walcott(Barbados), Walker, Gans, Fitzsimmons, Moore, Monzon, Hagler.
Now, which of those does Jofre outrank? Also, who does he outrank out of guys like Arguello, Griffith, Canzoneri, Chavez, Saddler, Tunney, etc?
I need to learn my boxing? No, I just don't rate Jofre quite as high as the above. I await your response.
A great list. Maybe Monzon and Hagler are a bit questionable; and yes, I'd put Jofre above them definitely.
According to who? He doesn't make my top 20.
And he lost to Harada in both fights in case you didn't know.
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Anderson "spider" silva , the Brazilian !
Mauricio "Shogun Rua" , the Brazilian !
Myoto machida , the Brazilian !
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but the Philippines has the greatest of them all
I'm pretty sure the previous post was not authored by Rick Farris. And if it was, he's totally blown his cover as a credible source. Jofre was a fine fighter with a terrific record but my money's on Olivares and Zarate to knock him out within 10 rounds. A top three fighter P4P? That's outta' hand right there. Settle down there "monicapinhodemenezes"...or whoever you are.
I don't know about that. I'd be find it hard to determine the winner in either of those hypothetical matches. But Jofre is more consistent than Olivares; and he's more multi-faceted than Zarate.
Do you think Ricardo Lopez is a top 10 ATG? Obviously Jofre has a better resume than Lopez, but neither are ranked according to that, but rather their skills, dominance, and consistency.
What I'd like yo uto do is tell me how he'd outrank Armstrong, Greb, or Robinson if he's top 3. While we're at it, how does he outrank Langford. The above 3 have infinitely better resumes, and were multi weight greats. How does he outrank them?
For a Hall Of Fame Historian, you sure don't know your stuff.
@fernandochiarelli O energúmeno, o Éder perdeu pq a luita foi realizada no Japão, só vc não percebe -.- !!!!!!!!
You want me to tell you what I know of the fighters I named? What do you think I did? Just randomly assorted them after looking at a lot of historian's lists? What a close0minded fool you are.
You act like I'm insulting Jofre. Anyone who claims a fighter with Jofre's resume(even with his amazing comeback and great consistency) is a top 3 ATG is the one who hasn't a clue what he's talking about.
Undoubtedly, Pacquio is a great fighter and would beat Harada and Eder, however, I'm sure Pacquio not call them'' tomato cans''.
Disrespect is not part of the sport, and does not serve civilized relations.
Disregarded the Filipinos, who once said'' that Filipinos are worth less than a dog'' and had shot, anyone older than 10 years in the Philippines.
'' You remember the suburbs of hell''?
Harada would beat Pacquiao if they fought at flyweight or bantamweight.
CONCORDO Q SANTIAGO FERNANDES E TAMBEM JUAREZ DE LIMA ERAM MELHORES QUE MIQUEL DE OLIVEIRA, MAS OLIVEIRA FOI CAMPEAO SIM, BATENDO WAJIMA E DURAN.
E PERDEU PARA UM CARA DAS BAHAMAS NAO PRA JAPONES
How do you justify Galaxy ranking in there? He ranks about 5th of his era in just his division. He has to be the most overrated fighter ever, despite the fact that only die-hard fans know of him. Almost all of them except the informed seem to think he rates extremely high for one reason or another, likely Ring Magazine's incompetent ranking of him. There is no reason he should even rate above the other JBW's of that era like Watanabe, Moon, Konadu, and Roman. Caprentier is also quite overrated.
Agreed.
Two of the greatest boxers ever! Eder Jofre a Brazilian boxer who was considered by many experts the best fighter poud-for-pound in the world was undefeated until this fight with 52 wins. He finished his career with a record of 72-2-2 with 50 knockouts... unfortunatly this two loses were to harada; both times in a split decision and in Japan. Harada left a record of 55-7 with 55 knockouts
What I know of Jofre. A great Bantamweight with wins over guys like Medel, Caldwell, Caraballo, etc and Featherweight wins after his comeback against guys like Saldivar(at the end of his career) and Jose Legra(same).
His resume is what falls short of ATG status, but his dominance, and his comeback put him there. In the lower weight classes, often fighters age sooner, and for a fighter to make a comeback after showing signs of decline already is remarkable, especially considering he moved up.
On the other hand, he's two razor-thin losses to probably the greatest flyweight and top 10 all-time bantamweight away from retiring undefeat in almost 80 fights.