I would go for the reliability of a YZ250 (had 2 previously and loved them) if they had it with electric start. Due to physical health reasons I need electric start.
I went out and bought a 2021 Beta 250 RR and I absolutely love it !!! it rips, and is 100 percent palatable in new York. nothing better than whipping past a cop on a 2 stroke fully street legal !!
@@MrSteele-c3t lexington sputh carolina it was a mission to say the least. My SUV broke down 2 separate times on the way down. Was the trip from hell. But the bike made it all worth it.
Do the 2021's have the updated wiring harness. They used too thin of wires in them and they were replacing then with a complete harness that has thicker wires under warranty. Also I know of 3 beta 2 strokes that blew up around 50 hours of trail riding. But then I have a 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI that had no power and misfired from day one. It has seized 2 times and is at the dealer now as KTM authorized them to diagnose it again. It has 7 hours on it. Ran 5 minutes on the 1st motor rebuild (piston kit, cylinder and crankshaft kit). Not happy.
@@human1513 yeah they had a problem with their bearings delivered from skf they already got a failure but for most guys i know it was fixed under warranty cause its 6 months at husky gas gas and ktm the warranty is just 30 days soooo 😅 i feel like im going the save path with a Beta carburateuer bike!
KTM SX 125 and I think the 150 also are blowing, snapping the connecting rod. KTM has a recall on them to reprogram or replace the wrong programmed CDI box that is the root of the problem. This is very recent one.
I love my new 125x. 52 years old, 144 lbs, the 250 2 stroke is more than I want at this point. Great bike, light weight, and I’ve been mixing gas for 40 years, no big deal.
Really want a 125x but no Yamaha dealer here. Currently chugging through with a 250f. Things a beast but i want to try the lighter, 2 stroke side of life.
I'd suggest signing up for a demo ride. I can honestly tell you that you'd be amazed with a 250 tpi. I would assume that by your comment and your age you would really benefit from the move upwards and fall in love. Imagine no spooge, no fouled plugs (mostly) and no mixing gas among other benefits I wont mention...for spoiler reasons.
@@xXxIcedaddyxXx I actually contacted my KTM dealer and I'm working out a trade for the Freeride E-XC. To be fair though, the TPI bikes have always been a fascination to me. Ive always hated carburetors and the weird power spikes and bogs that they give you. Fuel (& Oil) injection is just that much better, especially in a 2 stroke situation. Had the Freeride not-existed, I would've most definitely went the TPI route. P.S all my friends ride TPI bikes so don't worry, i will be swapping back and forth on the trails :)
Beta 200 looks fun... Had a KDX 200 back in the day, and that thing was a hoot. All about the 300's now. Would rather have power and not need it, than need power and not have it!
Yeah, the kdx 200’s were fun and even pretty dang fast, my dad used to have one, 10 years and never rebuilt it once and sold it running for twice what we got it for
I ride a 2001 220r with a couple aftermarket parts and also have never done a rebuild on it and it still runs well. I've raced it and put it through hell too. In the market for a motocross but I might continue using the kdx as my enduro bike as I'm just so comfortable on it and it lugs through just about any type of terrain.
The two stroke performance kit does amazing things to TPI bikes! In my opinion it's a must upgrade for any TPI bike. This kit will make your bike crisp through the whole power band.
This is a great format. I really liked the comparisons if different displacements and brands but all offroad 2 strokes. Lots of bikes out there to do another series just like this with maybe beta xtrainer, carbed TM etc. etc.
Cool concept for a test. That technical hillclimb is a great evaluation tool. It looks like the focus was on the different engine sizes, and that's OK, there are so many constant questions about that, and this is helpful. I'd suggest to add Vital decals, but leave the graphics alone so we can see the original look.
I went from a 21' KTM 250xc to a 22' 300xc and can attest the bike is an animal w very controllable power. The irony is its better at going slow than the 250. The 300 engine lugs for days. Great comparison. Always wanted to try the beta 200rr
I didn't know Cowboy Cerrone was a test rider... Lol j/k Solid video, nice landscapes. All those bikes are sweet, I'd make room in my garage for all of them.
The KTM 300 has a black cylinder head! Why? They normally match the silver aluminum cylinder. Is is a stock head or after market? I am waiting for the Yamaha 300cc 2 stroke with oil and fuel injections, and electric start in 2024 that Yamaha displayed at a big bike show in Europe last year.
@@vitalmx Ah I can appreciate it for that. I just automatically get annoyed when Rieju and YZ250Xs are left out of shootouts, as they have the best suspension in the woods and still offer carbs and kickstarties (Rieju also has electric on the bike).
I thought the 250 was going to be the sweet spot but you had a tpi bike with fueling issues would have had completely different results with the yz250x
As we've answered in the comments over 10 times now...there were no Shercos available for this test. We asked around four months in advance and no luck.
I owned a 2020 TPI and I was told that it was the BEST year of mapping...sold it for a brand new TM Racing EN300ES 2 stroke, and haven't looked back, even though the Husqvarna was a beautiful machine!
Why use the KTM XC instead of the XC-W? Seems strange to use a slightly different category of bike in a comparison with other technical trail bikes. I guess the Yamaha is also out of place then though
@@vitalmx I wondered why no Sherco. Oh well I guess that’s a good indication that it’s not the bike for me. If you can’t get one or parts then it doesn’t matter how good it is. 😂
I think the TPI problem in the USA is related to gasoline ⛽️, in Europe we use 95-98 and here we have no problems with failures or low power! Try race fuel ⛽️ with more than 95 oc!
The UK, like much of the rest of the world, use a different octane rating system than the US. There are two ways to rate octane, the Research Octane Number (RON), and the Motor Octane Number (MON). I won't get into how those work, Wikipedia will do a much better job. Anyway, the UK uses the RON number, where as here in the US we use a different system called the Pump Octane Number (PON), which is basically an average of RON and MON. You may even see something like "R+M/2=P" on some pumps in the US. 95 RON is very similar to our 87 PON.
They changed the shape. I think to adjust the power characteristics and to get more ground clearance in the front. Yea, makes it harder to tell them apart now...
@@vitalmx it's a brand that poor peeps like myself can afford. They bought a old patent from Yamaha so it's a YZ 250cc 2-stroke clone motor from the late 80s built in China. Retail out the door tax ect... just around 6k. Before all crap added 5,300 retail
Not that I put any stock in these types of comparison videos any more or the channels that do perform them, but I guess when you're lazy it's much easier to call up KTM & get 3 bikes (in 3 different colors) then it is to make 2 more phone calls & get bikes from Sherco & TM. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know -- they didn't have bikes available for the test.
They don't. Not much we can do about that. If they'd like to get more media attention, they need to have at least have one loaner bike available for these tests.
Can you include an XC-W or TE 250/300 next time ? Or talk more on XC vs XC-W on that 300? I don't think the top-end-only power of the YZ125 would be great for beginners... The Beta 200 is a winner... KTM should bring their 200 back as it was well-regarded.
@@mbrick The XC, XC-W, TE, TX, EC, EX are all more similar than they are different. 1st/2nd gear and forks are the biggest differences. Rest is pretty minor and comes down to personally preference mostly.
I'm most interested in bikes that fall into the jack of all trades category. Like what has been mentioned about the yzx and yzfx lineup. Bikes that can hit the trails and then are also decent for hitting the track once and awhile. Ktm 350xcf vs 300xc vs yz450fx vs yz250x vs crf450rx etc. Thanks Vital! Rad team! I enjoy all the content 💥🔥💨
This was obvious 300 bait. Can't say anything wrong about the 300cc except the opinion on the 250cc tpi. They don't all gurgle and leave you hopelessly longing for a 300. You and most people would never know any different if I put you on my 250 tpi and told you it was a 300. So far to this day, nobody has proved that wrong.
The new TPI bikes are garbage. due to emissions they went backwards instead of forwards. Anyone thats had a 2017-2019 carb ktm/husky knows that was the pinnacle of how good these bikes could be and tpi is strickly for emissions only and does not make it a better bike. They have literally ruined the legendary 300 two stroke bikes with emissions, and if you notice more and more professional riders are using the 350 4strokes in many places where the 300 2 stroke dominated.
I'm sure you boys would be in a position to borrow a carbed 250, I mean look at the choices, yz, tm, beta, sherco, reiju. Then include it in the lineup, you could do the same with the 300, that would be a good comparison.
Yz250x would've been a nice inclusion, but overall solid video
I would go for the reliability of a YZ250 (had 2 previously and loved them) if they had it with electric start. Due to physical health reasons I need electric start.
I dont understand why yamaha won't come out with a damn eletric start
This is a 2022 shootout not a 2006 shootout
@@Saa45MIV lol
@@Saa45MIV lol true, but I like ballin on a budget!
I went out and bought a 2021 Beta 250 RR and I absolutely love it !!! it rips, and is 100 percent palatable in new York. nothing better than whipping past a cop on a 2 stroke fully street legal !!
I live in upstate New York that sounds fantastic. Where did you buy it?
@@MrSteele-c3t lexington sputh carolina it was a mission to say the least. My SUV broke down 2 separate times on the way down. Was the trip from hell. But the bike made it all worth it.
Do the 2021's have the updated wiring harness. They used too thin of wires in them and they were replacing then with a complete harness that has thicker wires under warranty.
Also I know of 3 beta 2 strokes that blew up around 50 hours of trail riding.
But then I have a 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI that had no power and misfired from day one. It has seized 2 times and is at the dealer now as KTM authorized them to diagnose it again. It has 7 hours on it. Ran 5 minutes on the 1st motor rebuild (piston kit, cylinder and crankshaft kit). Not happy.
@@human1513 yeah they had a problem with their bearings delivered from skf they already got a failure but for most guys i know it was fixed under warranty cause its 6 months at husky gas gas and ktm the warranty is just 30 days soooo 😅 i feel like im going the save path with a Beta carburateuer bike!
KTM SX 125 and I think the 150 also are blowing, snapping the connecting rod.
KTM has a recall on them to reprogram or replace the wrong programmed CDI box that is the root of the problem.
This is very recent one.
Loving my beta 200👍🏻
That beta 200 looks like a good choice for a do it all bike.
My dad got one, it really is. Such a fun ass bike that will climb hills and is so nimble in the trees
Agreed. This bike is at the top of my 2022 list. I’m hoping to find one later this.
I love my new 125x. 52 years old, 144 lbs, the 250 2 stroke is more than I want at this point. Great bike, light weight, and I’ve been mixing gas for 40 years, no big deal.
Really want a 125x but no Yamaha dealer here. Currently chugging through with a 250f. Things a beast but i want to try the lighter, 2 stroke side of life.
I'd suggest signing up for a demo ride. I can honestly tell you that you'd be amazed with a 250 tpi. I would assume that by your comment and your age you would really benefit from the move upwards and fall in love. Imagine no spooge, no fouled plugs (mostly) and no mixing gas among other benefits I wont mention...for spoiler reasons.
@@xXxIcedaddyxXx I actually contacted my KTM dealer and I'm working out a trade for the Freeride E-XC. To be fair though, the TPI bikes have always been a fascination to me. Ive always hated carburetors and the weird power spikes and bogs that they give you. Fuel (& Oil) injection is just that much better, especially in a 2 stroke situation. Had the Freeride not-existed, I would've most definitely went the TPI route.
P.S all my friends ride TPI bikes so don't worry, i will be swapping back and forth on the trails :)
I have a Beta 300 XTrainer. Most fun bike I have ever ridden in the woods. Bar none.
Beta 200 looks fun... Had a KDX 200 back in the day, and that thing was a hoot. All about the 300's now. Would rather have power and not need it, than need power and not have it!
Yeah, the kdx 200’s were fun and even pretty dang fast, my dad used to have one, 10 years and never rebuilt it once and sold it running for twice what we got it for
I ride a 2001 220r with a couple aftermarket parts and also have never done a rebuild on it and it still runs well. I've raced it and put it through hell too. In the market for a motocross but I might continue using the kdx as my enduro bike as I'm just so comfortable on it and it lugs through just about any type of terrain.
The Beta 200 is such an incredible bike. Ridden it a few times and makes me seriously consider trading in my Beta 300.
Did you trade? I'm considering a Beta 200. I have a sherco 300. Love it. But it's super tall for me. And I think I'd love tossing around a 200
Thanks for the vid. I think people really wanna see the 300 shootout of the beta ktm sherco and reiju. Although the Beta 200 is a good inclusion.
The two stroke performance kit does amazing things to TPI bikes! In my opinion it's a must upgrade for any TPI bike. This kit will make your bike crisp through the whole power band.
shouldn't have to spend more to get a tpi bike to run good. should run good from the factory as much as they want for them nowdays
This is a great format. I really liked the comparisons if different displacements and brands but all offroad 2 strokes. Lots of bikes out there to do another series just like this with maybe beta xtrainer, carbed TM etc. etc.
I love 2 strokes, I have a 16' 300xc, 05' 300exc, 01' cr250 and building my old 93' cr500 to be like new.
Mmmmm that CR500. That will be a fun finished product.
Good stuff guys! I would love me a great 2-Stroke Enduro.
Cool concept for a test. That technical hillclimb is a great evaluation tool. It looks like the focus was on the different engine sizes, and that's OK, there are so many constant questions about that, and this is helpful. I'd suggest to add Vital decals, but leave the graphics alone so we can see the original look.
Great idea for a 2t test.
Great comparison!
I went from a 21' KTM 250xc to a 22' 300xc and can attest the bike is an animal w very controllable power. The irony is its better at going slow than the 250. The 300 engine lugs for days. Great comparison. Always wanted to try the beta 200rr
I didn't know Cowboy Cerrone was a test rider... Lol j/k Solid video, nice landscapes. All those bikes are sweet, I'd make room in my garage for all of them.
That was awesome. Thank you guys for doing the off-road shootouts 👍✌️
I would love another 250 2t or 125 2t shootout. i would LOVE a 85 shootout i think it would be amazing!
Like the new setup for video a lot! Super helpful. I've ridden some TPI bikes and I agree. They just don't have that 2 stroke zip that my YZ250X has.
2008 RM250. GOAT king of all strokes, track or trail
Goat I literally laughed out loud
Please do a 4-Stroke Off-Road shootout next!
The KTM 300 has a black cylinder head! Why? They normally match the silver aluminum cylinder.
Is is a stock head or after market?
I am waiting for the Yamaha 300cc 2 stroke with oil and fuel injections, and electric start in 2024 that Yamaha displayed at a big bike show in Europe last year.
Should have included the Rieju 300.
Doesn’t make sense why you didn’t include the yz250x
Just got myself a 2001 KTM 300 EXC, it'll be interesting to see the power compared to my old 250 EXC
Beta 300RR race edition every time
You guys left out the YZ250X and also left out Rieju.... Those two bikes are amazing. Especially the Rieju.
This test wasn't meant towards every 2 stroke off-road bike. It was just a broad comparison including "one" bike of each engine size.
@@vitalmx Ah I can appreciate it for that. I just automatically get annoyed when Rieju and YZ250Xs are left out of shootouts, as they have the best suspension in the woods and still offer carbs and kickstarties (Rieju also has electric on the bike).
@@vitalmx 2008 RM God of 2 strokes
I thought the 250 was going to be the sweet spot but you had a tpi bike with fueling issues would have had completely different results with the yz250x
I’d love to see a 4Stroke version with the 250,300,350,390&450
Then even a comparison from 4t & 2t
Why not include sherco too?
Great video, but why SHERCO is missing from this test ?
As we've answered in the comments over 10 times now...there were no Shercos available for this test. We asked around four months in advance and no luck.
@@vitalmx Thanks for the answer, sorry for bothering you
Beta 200rr vs beta 300rr?
Where are these trails?
It would be cool to see this comparison with all bikes modified. Ecu/Head/PV tuned ect.
love it
That 250 just needs a new CCPS. There is no blanket issue with 250 TPI‘s. It’ll run perfect with a new CCPS.
That must be it. My nephew has a new 250xc. That engine is great.
To bad you didn’t have a Sherco
YZ250X should’ve been in it
Should have had a TM included..
Why no Sherco SE 300 factory
No available bike to test.
Wish it was all 300s. Thanks
That 250 must be a dud cuz I have a 2020 tpi Ktm 250 xc and it doesn’t hesitate/ gurgle at all.
I owned a 2020 TPI and I was told that it was the BEST year of mapping...sold it for a brand new TM Racing EN300ES 2 stroke, and haven't looked back, even though the Husqvarna was a beautiful machine!
My 2022 EC250 doesn't have the fueling issue they mentioned at all.
They are blu ppl . Dirtbike channel has better reviews.
Why use the KTM XC instead of the XC-W? Seems strange to use a slightly different category of bike in a comparison with other technical trail bikes. I guess the Yamaha is also out of place then though
Too bad you didn't have any of the Tm bikes in this shoot out.
No TM? :(
3 KTM and not one sherco?
As we've commented multiple times in the comment section, there was no Sherco two strokes available when we decided to do this test.
About fucking time you all do some offroad content.
Shoulda uses a Sherco 250 so no TPI version vs the 300 TPI already in test
There were no Sherco 2 strokes available when we decided to do this test. We wanted something from their range but just couldn’t get one.
@@vitalmx I wondered why no Sherco. Oh well I guess that’s a good indication that it’s not the bike for me. If you can’t get one or parts then it doesn’t matter how good it is. 😂
I think the TPI problem in the USA is related to gasoline ⛽️, in Europe we use 95-98 and here we have no problems with failures or low power! Try race fuel ⛽️ with more than 95 oc!
The UK, like much of the rest of the world, use a different octane rating system than the US. There are two ways to rate octane, the Research Octane Number (RON), and the Motor Octane Number (MON). I won't get into how those work, Wikipedia will do a much better job. Anyway, the UK uses the RON number, where as here in the US we use a different system called the Pump Octane Number (PON), which is basically an average of RON and MON. You may even see something like "R+M/2=P" on some pumps in the US. 95 RON is very similar to our 87 PON.
Where is the rieju 300?
It was reviewed 6 years ago when it was called a Gas Gas. 😂
Does that 150 have a 250 expansion chamber ?
Yeah they started shaping them that way in ‘20 🤷♂️
@@romy7533 that's the only way I could tell
They changed the shape. I think to adjust the power characteristics and to get more ground clearance in the front. Yea, makes it harder to tell them apart now...
2 smoker, Gripitripit WFO All ways
Kayo 250?
A what?
@@vitalmx it's a brand that poor peeps like myself can afford. They bought a old patent from Yamaha so it's a YZ 250cc 2-stroke clone motor from the late 80s built in China. Retail out the door tax ect... just around 6k. Before all crap added 5,300 retail
Why did they use the 125 over the 250x? Makes absolutely no sense.
It's a shame y'all only test bikes that pay to be there. The Riejus 100% deserves to be in this shootout.
"So first up, in dead last as no surprise, the suzuki rmz250"
All the bikes can make more power than the rear tire can use.
Not that I put any stock in these types of comparison videos any more or the channels that do perform them, but I guess when you're lazy it's much easier to call up KTM & get 3 bikes (in 3 different colors) then it is to make 2 more phone calls & get bikes from Sherco & TM. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know -- they didn't have bikes available for the test.
They don't. Not much we can do about that. If they'd like to get more media attention, they need to have at least have one loaner bike available for these tests.
Can you include an XC-W or TE 250/300 next time ? Or talk more on XC vs XC-W on that 300?
I don't think the top-end-only power of the YZ125 would be great for beginners...
The Beta 200 is a winner... KTM should bring their 200 back as it was well-regarded.
Those bikes are in the test.
@@Jimmy_Watt really? It looks like a 300XC.
@@mbrick The XC, XC-W, TE, TX, EC, EX are all more similar than they are different. 1st/2nd gear and forks are the biggest differences. Rest is pretty minor and comes down to personally preference mostly.
@@WASemiHardEnduro Yes I am quite familiar with the details and differences, thanks.
@@mbrick Then why ask? The 300xc, ec250, & te150 seem like a very good cross section to include. 🤷🏻♂️
What off-road bikes do you guys want us to compare next? 350 four-strokes? 500s? All the 300s?
I'm most interested in bikes that fall into the jack of all trades category. Like what has been mentioned about the yzx and yzfx lineup. Bikes that can hit the trails and then are also decent for hitting the track once and awhile. Ktm 350xcf vs 300xc vs yz450fx vs yz250x vs crf450rx etc. Thanks Vital! Rad team! I enjoy all the content 💥🔥💨
250 4 strokes, include Sherco and possibly TM
Yz250x and other bikes of your choice
Yz250x please 🙏🏼!
Beta Xtrainer 300
VITAL MX, OMG where is the 250 FOUR STROKE off-road shootout. Please don't keep me in suspense!!!!
Sherco SE range is better than all those but not included 🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️
As we commented below, there were no Shercos available when we did the test.
Add Rieju....
Where do bike makers get all of these letters from i.e. te, yz, cr, xr, CBR ...???
This was obvious 300 bait. Can't say anything wrong about the 300cc except the opinion on the 250cc tpi. They don't all gurgle and leave you hopelessly longing for a 300. You and most people would never know any different if I put you on my 250 tpi and told you it was a 300. So far to this day, nobody has proved that wrong.
The new TPI bikes are garbage. due to emissions they went backwards instead of forwards. Anyone thats had a 2017-2019 carb ktm/husky knows that was the pinnacle of how good these bikes could be and tpi is strickly for emissions only and does not make it a better bike. They have literally ruined the legendary 300 two stroke bikes with emissions, and if you notice more and more professional riders are using the 350 4strokes in many places where the 300 2 stroke dominated.
No sherco 😂
You guys need to stick to MX content
Very poor choice of words
WHY IS THERE NO 2022 250 TWO STROKE SHOOTOUT?
I'm sure you boys would be in a position to borrow a carbed 250, I mean look at the choices, yz, tm, beta, sherco, reiju. Then include it in the lineup, you could do the same with the 300, that would be a good comparison.