Is The New YZ The Best 2-Stroke?? ||2022 YZ125 vs 2022 KTM125 vs 2020 YZ125
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- I put the 2022 YZ125 head-to-head against the older Yamaha and it’s rival, the KTM125!
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Dude that 2022 yz was way over oiled. It was smoking like crazy. Yes two strokes smoke, but not like that unless they are super rich.
Agreed. Running 20:1 fuel ratio lmao
@@SkinnySkinch LOL. I run 80:1
@@LuckyNikitaBoba Dayummm! that's lean! the TPIs run that though so im sure its fine. I actually usually run 60:1 in my 2017 250XC and that seems to work fine. My TPI runs between 80-100:1 so super lean.
Could be someone else's bike and if they bog it around all day the pipe is coated in oil so when someone rides it hard it will smoke a ton
@@premix3663 it was definitely someone else's bike. Think it was the girl he apologized to near the end. And no riding it around slow wont build crap up and make it smoke.....unless it is to rich and oily. He even comments in the video it bogged out of corners, felt slow and smoked. All classic signs of rich or over oiled.
For one you guys have the ktm set up! Apparently someone’s race bike! The yz if you set it up right the sag and clickers it handles amazing! Plus the fact you guys have way to much oil in the 22 yz!!
My favorite all around bike I ever had was my YZ125, I raced it a lot in AA or Open pro in my local enduro, harescrambles, etc.. the tighter the single track the better it was for me, I could stay on the pipe and put it wherever I wanted... i liked my SX250F factory editon, XCW300 a lot too, but nothing beats a small bore 2 stroke... im too out of shape to be running a 125 for nearly 2 hours, if i do that i want a 4 stroke, its easier to ride fast for longer duration.
I grew up riding single track with Chuck Cooper (Guy's brother) a lot, the few times I rode with Guy it was pretty insane watching those two chasing eachother from behind. First time I rode with Guy was right before a huge icestorm, he was leaving the following day to go to Texas to solo a hard enduro, i think it was 'last man standing'.. Chuck was his mechanic and just getting there they slid off the road multiple times and when he raced the course was solid ice/snow lmao.
Chuck when I was on 85's taught me how to wheelie and turn the bars once my front wheel started to clear between the trees so I could get my bars through a section that was too tight for my bars to make it through without stopping and wiggling the bars between them. I watched him do that so many times, it always blew my mind so for a full day that's all I did until I got it, I've never ran bark busters either so it was a learning experience. A lot of people don't know, but before Chuck became a dentist he was actually a factory kawi rider, most people only know of Guy or their nephew Kenny Bartram.
I also loved the 125 for moto, it was the most fun bike but in the B class I could really feel the power disadvantage, I'd be giving it everything she had and the 250F's would just tractor right on by lol
I'm either getting another 125 or possibly a 250... I've had an XCW300, but I've never owned a 2 stroke motocross bike that was over a 125cc, i normally had a 125 and then either a 250F or 450F to go with it. I've ridden an SX250 with a 300 kit that was ported and polished, it was a lot different than the XCW300. The SX was like a lightswitch in a tweakers house and you better be ready for when it hit. It was a blast for moto but i hated it in the woods, the XCW was a lot more usable and had a lot more low end grunt to lug it around and wasnt as agressive but still had the snappy power when you wanted it... the W almost felt like a cross between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke if that makes any sense compared to the SX300.
Not sure how watching a video on a couple 125's got me on that memory tangent... 🤔
I raced HS a little on a YZ125 back in the '90's. Stopped riding in 08, bought a yz250f a year ago and raced HS last year... except very last race I picked up a '17 KTM 150sx and ran that. I won on it and find it's the funnest bike I've ever had (maybe the KX500 was a close tie😆).
I love the SX for it's light weight and decent power through the woods... especially now that I've put the RaceTech Lucky Carbon spring/oil fork kit in. It's amazing😁😁😁
I'm a happy 57yr old A rider now 🏁😁🏁😁🏁
Have fun. Be safe.
I had the rich issue with my stock 22. I have a Pro circuit silencer and Scalvini pipe with JD jets now it made a huge difference (also running 50:1) I ride this track all the time and I had a huge bogging issue in the corners but the changes definitely fixed it and now feels faster than most of the yz125s I’ve ridden in the past😊
Over at Thumper Talk someone did a really good and detailed write-up about the jetting on the 2022 YZ 125. Its way off stock. Too rich. Once fixed it was a whole new bike.
I hear that that was a nice track before they paved it. Holy concrete Batman. I'd like to see this test with the 2022 properly jetting and all at the same premix ratio or each on the same fuel and correct ratio for each bike.
I’m willing to bet that a 2005 YZ125 would be identical to the 2022 YZ125. Yes, this track sucks. I’m a novice rider. No way I’m risky my health riding on concrete.
@@LuckyNikitaBoba Its a fun track I ride it all the time.
@@LuckyNikitaBoba I don't blame you and, regarding the '05, don't doubt it. Cheers.
@@LuckyNikitaBoba You must not live in the west because there's nothing unusual about hard-as-concrete tracks out here.
@@MatthewC137 I’m just spoiled by soft loamy tracks.
To all the posters below, I’ve seen Dyno tests on 125 road race bikes that made more power on 16/1 than any other ratio. One bike made the most power on 15/1. Oil has a high btu value when burned. It’s the jetting not the oil ratio. In the road race scene bikes are full throttle for long straights at very high rpm. A125 RR engine will pull over 50hp. If we ran fuel/oil ratios you guys run on MX bikes we would seize engines like crazy.
That Bryan guy in the intro seems really awesome! I bet it only took 15 takes for that 10 seconds.....
Lol
Seen a guy take over 30 takes once... being in front of a camera sucks for some folks.. I clam up myself.
LAMO
I ride the Fantic xx125 2022 (the same as a Yamaha 2022) and mine is well tuned but completely standard. I ride in the Netherlands on the deep sand tracks and then he pulls like a beast!! On the test bench, the engine is even two horsepower above the 2021. And only half a horsepower below the KTM. That means that with a good adjustment and especially on a hard track you will be able to ridelike a spear must go! the Yamaha also has very good springs in stock.
Nieuwe 125 is sowieso een stuk sneller dan de 2021, lijkt alsof deze veel te dik gesmeerd is en nog met originele carb settings rijd.
Hoeveel pk had je fantic op de test bank? Ben wel benieuwd
@@richardthoonsen8206 37/38
It’s more than half horse power
Gees Someone overdid the 2 stroke oil in that yz125 ! What about the smoke well I guess it won’t blow up an hour just clogged the thing up
100% think they use bar oil
Rich means too much petrol to air. This bike is showing signs that the petrol to OIL ratio is wrong (which is not what running rich means at all). In fact, if it's on the standard jets, and running too much oil, then it will run lean, with regard to fuel/air ratio, where the extra oil takes the place of petrol volume.
Too much oil will also make it run really hot
exactly what i was thinking someone messed up mixing the oil
What's the optimal percentage of oil?
@@cougar231000 A debate as old as two strokes themselves. Most on 125s will run 32:1, some will run 40:1. Bigger bore 2 strokes can run less oil than smaller 2 strokes
It's a new bike and using 15/1 break in fuel, not a fair comparison
Man…. That’s a shame about the 2022! Was hoping to hear some differences in handling over the 2020.
As for the bike was definitely rich, but also wasn’t ran like it’s built to be. It smoking after being ripped on the track was all the built up carbon burning out of it. I bought a used 125 last year and the same thing happened I thought something was seriously wrong with it….
Everyone who's gotten a 22 yz125 says it's Jetting is way off. Rich on the pilot lean on the main. Those who have them. Have ended up with Jetting closer to the yz250. Which really helps it run cleaner.
Could you do a video detailing how to ride a 125 vs a more powerful bike?
it’s more so not learning how but naturally picking up on how to, some people actually start off better on a 250f. It’s just all on your riding style. When i left 85s i was put on a 125 then they decided to move me to a 250 since my corner speed on a bigger bike wasn’t there yet, now i’m almost faster on a 125 than i am on my 250 due to just how much more aggressive i am on a bike.
Two strokes are “cool” again. But it’s way easier to ride a 4T on a track than a 2T.
maybe you should ask Stanke dawg about that!!
Never thought I’d see AJ riding at Club Moto
woow thats a hard pack track holy hell
I have a 22 yz125 and you need to go smaller on the pilot, and needle jet, leave the main the same if you run wide open alot or sand tracks, I switched to R50 premix and it's a totally different bike now. It comes jetted way to rich from the factory but takes 10 minutes to fix. It's really fast and crisp now with lots of bottom, smooth into the power almost like a 250 2 stroke. Suspension and chassis feels great, much better than my 2006. Idk why they ran it so rich but ya. Still not as fast as any stock ktm 125 but the suspension can make up the difference in lap times depending on the track.
So I guess the big change to yz 125 after 15 years was to enrich the jetting??? Smoked like crazy whether you’re on or off the gas...but you gotta admit that 2-stroke silencer smoke smells better than the most expensive cigars. In fact...let me get a hit of that! Lol ✊😎
No they use too much oil in their premix ruining the performance of the bike😜
That’s my home track! Love it to death, it’s one of the best we got in NorCal.
Finally a review not aimed at pleasing the manufacturers...nice honest opinion😁
Agreed with your findings and points here, even based on the big name publication reviews, the 2022 is actually heavier and down in Dyno HP numbers. For a bike that hasnt been updated in 15 years they didnt give consumers any real reason to spend the premium to upgrade. The '22 got a lot of hype because of what people wanted it to be, and the updated body work but in actuality its the same bike as anything from 2006 and up. All that being said, love seeing the 2 stroke content! Keep it coming.
Motocross action dyno the 2022 and the 2021 yz and the 22 had almost 2 hp more then the 21 yz , but if u put them on another dyno it mite be deferent
Pointless using the 22 yz when it’s too rich . The Yz is gummed up with unburnt oil . Needs to be at 40:1 and rejetted
Thankyou
I would really enjoy a video matchup between Catanzaro and Haiden Deegan. Same bike super cross.
I like AJ but that is not a race he is going to win. Haiden Deegan is training daily at the moment with Eli Tomac, Dylan Ferrandis and Christian Craig on a supercross track that is as gnarly as we have seen in the first 2 races. Also Deegan has a factory Star racing Yamaha 250. Maybe AJ could get Jett to let him borrow his HRC 250 but still he lacks training at the moment.
YESSS, that would be very fun to see. Only issue is that haiden deegan would smoke aj. As haiden trains with the best of the best everyday, and he is just naturally amazing!
@@naturalhype321 When you do something your entire life you aren't "naturally amazing" at it, you literally have spent your entire life working towards the same goal! LMFAO
@@The_Cat_Authority No need to throw hate man! You can be Naturally Amazing at something and still do it for your entire life, that doesn't mean that you aren't good if you have to be doing it every day to become good.
Hey there AJ, I'm looking to buy my first bike. And have been searching for information and comparisons of bikes. I haven't found many videos. You have covered a lot of the things that I have been looking for. Your videos are fantastic. Very well done. I appreciate it!
dude, you are so damn smooth through those rollers geeeeeeez
I find it quite Scary that a so called pro mx rider, coach/trainer forgets to turn the fuel on and then recommends a possible jetting change to suit the 20-1 oil mixture ffs 🤦♂️
Yeah like omg someone that doesn't ride carbed bikes forgot to turn the fuel on. He clearly knows nothing!!!!! Then he made a comment that proves he isn't a mechanic. UGGGGHHHH clearly knows nothing about riding. I mean he isn't pro or anything.......... I find it quite scary people as dumb as you are allowed to be on the internet unsupervised!
Awesome job on the video ! I watched it twice ! The way you ride is so smooth,you make me wanna ride so bad nice job keep up the fire content !
Rumor is the stock jetting is off on the 2022 yz125.
I believe it look how much it was smoking in the vid, running way to rich
i can't believe I dreamed about racing in CA in the mid 90s while living in NY. that track looks like pavement with some ruts on the side and the turns. what's the jetting on that 2022? you're smoking like I've never seen since my super thick '93 YZ 250.
Why you didn't make the right jetting? It is the same like make clicks on suspension. You allways must adjust some kind of things on a new stock bike to your Weight, Speed and Weather....
never thought id see aj on my childhood track :D
If you are looking for a 2022, 125cc mosquito fogger that will work great! So you still thinking of riding a 2-stroke in the 2022 Supercross season?
2 strokes are for real men. We understand your hesitation LOL
That 22 was smoking like a chimney! Oil to gas ratio to low, makes it sluggish. Need to lean it out 40:1 and dial in the jetting. Get the gas mix right, fiddle with the jets, maybe tweak the power valve a little. I guarntee that 22 will rip, just needs a little tweaking.
A whole lot of power shifting love it.
Mine is coming in this week we ordered it back in august it’s the monster edition
The way that guy rides with his body positioning I don’t think he’s in a position to judge a bikes performance
That 2022 yz125 is literally smokin😅
Never thought you would go to club moto used to ride and race there all the time growing up as a kid such a nice track
Would love to see an update after its set up and adjusted better than out of the crate like the KTM is. BTW YZ125 radiator hoses have been the same hose design from 2002 to 2022
Leaving that gas off can get ya. Had a yz125 about 2 years ago, forgot to turn it on, half a lap in hit a big triple and it died right on the face. 2 cracked vertebrae and a broken femur was the result 🥴😂 you got lucky
Fuck man ouch
Ouch SpeedFirst, hope you're OK now man and all healed up 😮
Hey your video says 2022 yz 125 vs 22 ktm125 & 22 yz125. The bottom part says the correct stuff but not your main video part
full studio audience at the end 😂
It was very good to know you were at club Moto my dads neighbor was in your class he was so excited to go and dam your pretty fast and smooth !!!
Dude with the 2022 YZ must foul spark plugs every ride, good lord. Jetting is everything on 2-strokes!
He said it's stock jetting. I wonder if he is running 20:1 fuel mixture instead of 40 or 32:1
@@kyleray4952 It probably is stock jetting, although it's not usually off by that much. I'm curious about the mix ratio too, the manual for my 2019 yz250 recommends 30:1. I'm sure some of the smoke is from unburnt oil in the pipe, but still. I would like to see AJ try a '22 yz125 that's been properly jetted.
@@chriscurbstompscm personally I think most manuals fun a little rich. I had a mini 2 stroke bike and the manual said 25:1 "yeah, maybe when I'm breaking it in" it ran beautifully at 40:1. But it also was a low compression, low heat bike.
@@chriscurbstompscm en el Manual de mi yz 125 también dice 30:1 pero será de aceite sintético o semi sintético?
@@gerardogutierrez3840 There is oil specifically for mixing with gas in 2 strokes (like Yamalube 2R, for example). I would think the ratio would be the same no matter which brand you use, but if you're not sure you can call a local dealer and ask them.
I wish I could jump on any random bike and make it scream the way AJ does. Goals
Good talk. Lol short, sweet and too the point 👍🏻
😂
Bit of a downer for the owner of that 2022 but it's probs running oily due to break in or something if it's really new, right? Hope it cleans up down the track.
This needs to be re done with as close to new 2022 all properly jetted and fueled and I think that it hadn’t been riden very hard and got gummed up because a lot of the time if it’s smoking once u turn it off that’s built up carbon in the exhaust burning off
Can someone explain why the 22 yz smoked after it stoped running.
Let's get a sx vs yz 250 vid!!
Clone of our Moto Hose Suzuki box van!!!
Being this is Norcal, I'm sure many a thrice divorced Berkeley grad, with 4 cats, a KPBS tote bag, driving by in her 2008 Prius has complained about the noise and the dust.
The YZ125 has always been the Best two stroke 125 Bike. Always.
Bro, need you need a new thumb nail, almost thought you were testing 2 yz 2022 125s...
I think it would be a funny test to do a 2022 Yz125 against my 2004 Rm125 😂
i have a 06 rm125 and a 22 yz125 on order.. maybe ill compare them.. not that i ride even close to an intermediate or pro level but maybe my 2 cents could be interesting
ktm is just the best people need to learn that hah
Great vid like usual 👍
You should try this again but with lap times and on a properly watered and groomed track.
Fastest bikes I've seen at Club Moto are Sumo's with slicks, hard pack city.
Good video AJ! Good to see you riding a 2 stroke. You about over jumped that table on the 22 Yamaha.🤘🤘🔥🔥
Why do a test without getting the jetting sorted first?
I love my 2019 yz125. And congrats on hitting 86k
Love the real world review
Which is the best exhaust for 125 ?
Is that a Suzuki box truck? Perhaps Travis pastranas old truck? Cuz I think that was my old box truck
Dang, you're not only over the bars, you're over the fender alot. Is that due to them being two stroke, or older or both or what? It looked alot different than other times I see you.
Speaking, when are you going to be at the Romona track ? Or did you already ?
Can you do the same with 4 strokes ? The higher rated ones ie Yamaha Honda kawi ktm
Just go watch a 2022 shootout video.
No foot touching the ground in the making of this video 👍👍👍
Clicked the video twice just to make sure i hit the like button.
And I thought the ktm jetting was bad lol then the yamaha was like "hold my beer".
I have a 05 yz125 with SSS suspension and I'm glad I didn't build a new yz125
I think that smoke mean the other guy riding it is slow 😂.. every time I hop on my girls tc 125 it smokes like crazy.. just a bunch of unburnt oil in the pipe is what someone told me 🤷♂️
updates for the new yamaha YZ125: 25% more smoke!
now you need to do a redo with a properly running 22
The muffler packing on the 22 is oil soaked from a slow rider.
2:44 lean Pop?
YES!!!!
That 22 YZ125 was way too rich
Hmmm, he is very close to Honda now. Sabotaging new Yamaha two stroke sales.
he always liked KTMs more, which indeed are better bikes period. Also Honda doesn't sell a 2stroke, so your comment is pointless
I think it’s funny, Bloomer. I dig that humor.
Ya that was a complete stupid comparison considering they’re using a KTM that has already been set up for someone against a stock 22 Yamaha that’s running way too rich and probably haven’t even set the SAG or anything with the suspension! Cause that bike handles extremely well!
@@Ducatisti92 I disagree with ktm is better.. I see more ppl at the tracks that have KTM’s always having issues with running right. Their 50s are always needing attention same with a lot of their 2stroke lines. They don’t last very long either between rebuilds. I’ve seen a lot of ppl fed up and done with them as well and switched their kids to Yamaha and have way less problems. Hell even Kawasaki little bikes haven’t changed in years either and they run better too. Which I’ve been seeing them more too.
@@mxr248 The 50s can be finicky, and require a lot of attention, but they are FAST.
The bigger 2ts are all sound, and require no more attention than any other bikes.
We ran Yamaha YZ85s and found them terrible. They broke loads, and were made with very poor materials. We switched to KTMs and it was the best decision we made. Faster, better materials and superior components.
My personal experience
this guy needs some new jets in his head LMAO
Ktm is the 2 stoke king period.. doesn’t matter what cc they all have the same characteristics, they are smooth have good torque and run really crispy.
Husqvarna is best imo
@@thomaswoodsvlogs4708 haha motor is the exact same
@@Saa45MIV I know but husky has a different handling characteristic.
@@thomaswoodsvlogs4708 not trying to rain on your parade but if you put the same colour plastic on ktm husky and gas gas you probably wouldn’t even be able to tell which was which while riding it.
You mean the YZ with the ENZO tuned KYBs handled better than the stock one? Naw. 🙄
Somebody’s doing something wrong. That 22 will rip if you have stock jets in like a 160 main 162 if it’s cold and 30:1 and rip! You can’t shift early you have to be in the right gear. Let her eat!
The piston or rings have gone on the 2022 yam ⚠️
I can guarantee you that's just shit loads of build up from a (admittedly, rich running) 125 that's just been put-putted around it's whole life... If you burn a hole though a piston, or break off a section of ring they will just cough and die... No matter how small the hole/ chipped section of ring is.
Ya I think it just has been putted around for its whole life and has some sludge built up. It’ll probably run better now that aj has burnt some of it off
@@straightnobraker4677 I guarantee you that has a ring or piston gone because it was smoking after he let off the revs, it not far off seizing ⚠️
Been riding two stroke since the 80s, a rich bike will smoke as the throttle is opened a bike on the Verge of blowing up will smoke when the throttle is let off !
@@onlygazza It's smoking after he lets off because it's getting hot enough to burn all the built up carbon out of the pipe for the first time. Watch any Hard enduro riders finally opening their bikes up on a wide open stage and you'll see the exact same thing. Even if the rings are compromised it wont smoke like that, It's not a 4 stoke and the bottom end is quite dry by comparison.(it wouldn't run either, two strokes are extremely sensitive to blow-by, due to them use a very precise amount of crank case pressure to force the air/fuel mix into the cylinder)
@@onlygazza no!! It’s smoking cause of excess oil in the silencer after being shut off. Hence why it is still smoking. I rode a c riders Honda 125 that never seen the power band and when I was done ripping it and shut it off it smoked for awhile. Same with some of my other friends after I rebuilt their motors I took them for a spin. But they also had that bike running way too rich. Kind of a bogus comparison when they don’t set up the other bikes right and have the ktm that’s already been set up.. obviously someone’s race bike.
With a two-stroke it also shows how you drive it in
Wow the 2022 didn't get a fair shake whoever is mixing that premix or riding that bike before you probably mix it really rich and didn't rev it out as much and it built up in the silencer because you shouldn't be smoking that bad out of the silencer unless there's a lot of built up oil in there and finally someone who can actually ride....... rides it(AJ) .....AND STARTS clearing out the accumulated premix... I NOTICED even after almost a minute of being hard on the gas the smoke was still pouring out of the 2022 and a properly jetted /premixed bike ,.....the smoke will almost dissipate immediately as soon as it reaches operating temperature ........and the factory jetting from Yamaha should never be that rich the 2022 runs so much better with Crisper jetting as any 125 2-stroke with the jetting dialed in is going to run eons better than one that's not as you know the littlest differences can make all the differences.... And I suspect whoever is using the bike is probably using YAMALUBE 2R and even that synthetic stuff is absolutely garbage although it does lubricate well it's thinner and makes a mess out of everything and smokes like crazy and usually people who buy a new Yamaha usually go with the YAMALUBE since that's the recommended application but I cannot stand it I only use KLOTZs products or redline or Maxima 927 or K2 AND those are amazing oils to use on 125s in my experience.......
Look at the cist deference in cost between the ktm,,and the Yamaha!!!
Hey, at least he's honest.
Man I can’t believe I don’t know this lol But what’s it called (if it even has a name) but at 5:12-5:13 you pull the bike up like a mid air scrub then up to your chest which looks awsome 😂 I’ve accidentally did it a few times at certain places and I can’t ever get it to look that bada** lol that’s one thing you have always been able to do in sx before and even if you was dead last you’d make it look like your the fastest dude out out there your flow spanaze is great there should be a episode of how you explain stuff on that definitely lol
That YZ sound though..
That form tho!
I just sold a sxf 250 2020 and bought a 2020 yz125.
I'd say I'm quicker on the 250 but by fuck the 125 is way more fun.
Take this from a 40 year old that witnessed the sin of 4 strokes coming into the game lol.
Ferrari is quick but you'll have more fun in a subaru impreza.
Should be running 38 to 1...Yamaha wants you to run 30 t0 1....and all the stuff i read everyone on a 125 or 125x were changing plugs all the time..me on my x run 38 t0 1 with a pro cricut a smart carb and it smokes!!!
That 2022 yz was smoking more than a 2002 VW Jetta 😂😂
On a new bike thou, and there not cheap, it needs to be right straight from the crate, don't you think.
AJ you looked smooth out there mane!
I say ktm
22 yz looks like they added oil twice to the fuel by accident. Or the owners already hurt the engine before you rode it. You could tell immediately something was up with that bike.
I was the 125th like... that's all. Oh, and bummed to hear about the 22 yz125 being slowest. I rode a 22 gasgas 125 and it blows the doors off my 2005 yz125. I might need an Austrian 125 next.
He’s full of it cause that yz pulls great! Plus the fact yz will be way more reliable than those Austria bikes. I see too many ppl with nothing but problems with them.
I had the jetting setup on my sons 22 Yz 125 and the suspension setup. It’s nowhere near slow.
Jet it and retry
That thing was smoking like a civ.... sounds good though