Master Huang Tai Chi Chuan/ Push Hands
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2011
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Master Huang Sheng Shyan Taijiquan. Push Hands class.
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I did not use to believe it either..but I had to change. The students look silly because one of the things they try is not to oppose the force of the Master, but to relax and find an elastic force instead ,from the elastic muscular phase, in case you like science, (and they fail) otherwise, they would be thrown much further away...This is a little jewel for those who have practiced with his students. Write whatever you want, but you cannot know it if you have not experienced it.
Thanks for sharing this video . This is martial arts and the belated Grand master Huang was a great ambassador for Tai Chi to Malaysia from china and the video is a normal pratical with the students after their training .Remember this is not MMA or UFC as a combat sport but mainly for self defence and for me as a boy was an outing with my uncle to his lessons who is one of his pupil just like one would join a club just like football in England .When one understands Chi and achieve it than you will understand the real strength .Life is a journey and we do not stop learning as we get older.
cool man really nice perspective. Learning is the growth of growing through age
Ditto middlemedicine, I've studied Tai Chi Chuan since 1980 with 3 of Master Huang's classmates. These students are not acting, over-reacting, or selling anything. That is how you fly when a master of HHH's level touches you with his soft power or "long focus". And yes, there is also a hard power or "short focus".Thankfully there are many masters & adepts who can demo this, what the Chinese call the Tai Chi kung fu.This is one of most illuminating Tui-shou clips ever.Thanks Tony for great post!
I managed to get a copy of Patrick Kelly's book about training with him for 20 years. It is all true and real. He was training from the age of 14 in Daoist traditions and Fujian White Crane and many others, before going on to teach in many places and opening many schools. So far the best way to explain it in my own words is that the process of reaching each physical/body expression consists of an almost infinite number of movements calculated by the deep passive awareness in response to the opponent while the deep active mind is creating the jing from relaxed muscle expansion and deciding where to direct that expression of jing.
If you can get a copy of the book its fantastic. I read it a year ago when I just started practicing Qi Gong and I'm just re reading it now after that year and its taken on a whole new level of meaning....Mind blown and so I thought I'd google Master Huang and now I can literally see what he is talking about and not quite how he does it because its so fast. Its almost like he is a stone statue and moving each molecule independently but together. Astounding.
I am lucky to have the chance to learn from the legendary master Huang!
wow such exeptional form!! so much power from so little movement. truly a grand master.
Thanks Nil. Very kind of you to share. I always get a kick out of watching real kung fu.
Some people will not believe it until they get a personal experience. I have had many. I know what we are seeing is real. And that there are even deeper levels of these arts. But you must put in long hours of training with a really good teacher. And after several years your skills begin to develop. I have only been training now going on forty five years. And am only scratching the surface. I hope in another ten years to be able to demonstrate why we call this art the Supreme Ultimate Boxing. Wish me luck. Still, external skill is better than none. Many people commenting have no skills at all.
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
If you are lucky enough to feel from a Master like this, you won't doubt. It feels like getting hit by a truck... What the trolls are saying is this isn't possible and they would do something different. I know this because I didn't believe either... Find some humility maybe you too will be allowed to find someone this talented. Stop being a jerk and maybe you might find your Master.
huuuuge internal one,love it.
That Ting skill and Fajin release is really something.
Keep on training, martial artists!
As usual there are commenters/trolls who have little understanding of what they are watching. Of course the students are 'playing along', they have been taught to in order to survive practise without injury. 'Hopping like a sparrow' is similar to 'breakfalls' you learn in jiu jitsu or aikido. It dissipates the force and helps you to stay upright. You are seeing a demonstration of the practice of 'breaking the root' or 'uprooting' from various tai chi movements. If these techniques were applied with power and the angle changed the students would go straight to the floor and be seriously injured. There is no matting or padding, just another student waiting to catch and send back. Try to get beyond your juvenile hollywierd nonsense perception and understand it as a very subtle and advanced form of training touch sensitivity. Touch is faster than sight.
A troll won't ever value your understanding. Just a waste of time. I ignore the comments. Just read the first sometimes... yours was nice.
No one is questioning chi sao and breaking the root here. What I for instance question is nor tai chi nor its techniquest. What i do question is this "master. Martial arts is not some magical flow in your body, its training hard, being able to control your body, train your muscle memory and have a fighters spirit. It's certainly not this
In reality the movements and positioning will never provide a blow or impact as they can accurately do. It already has been proven through forceful combat. I truly understand the art. But the realm this and other styles are not effective at all in common situations. Biggest factor is that its impractical. This is still Hollywierd category to me. Its an art. Not combat. Muay Thai is an art for combat and emphasis is on breaking the other. Muay boran pure combat. Yes, I know its a demo.
@@Skeptical_Dante these men haven't trained hard?
Thanks for the reply. I am familiar with William C C Chen, Chen Xiao Wang and Chen Bing. I have never seen them do this type of thing. Do you have videos of them doing this (causing people to fall down and bounce back with no apparent effort)? Chen Xiao Wang and Chen Bing seem to use a lot more "effort" when they push hands.
When a master of this level uses a technique, the execution is so flawless that the force comes from an angle that the opponent does not have the opportunity to resist. The circles that coordinate the interception are incredibly compact, and novice practitioners don't have the time to contemplate "submissiveness" before having already lost their balance.
Nice one Tony, thanks
Awesome
謝謝 ^^
Any of Mr. Huang's classmates under grandmaster Cheng Man-ching. In the U.S., that would be Masters William C.C. Chen, Benjamin Lo, Abraham Liu, and many of their students. Any of Mr. Huang's senior students, as pictured in RUclips clip called "Huang Sheng Shyan taiji forum".
In the Chen style of Tai Chi, check out Chen Xiao Wang and Chen Bing for starters (tons of youtube clips available for the Chen masters). Enjoy.
He's great...a Cheng-ManChing high student...he had always said hd would go higher than him.his student Patrick Kelly...Mark Ramus those are just two of my favourite taichi masters.
@Greadore Master Huang was one of the great masters of his generation. There are very few people who have this level of skill but some of his senior students such as Wee Kee Jin and Patrick Kelly have a high level. There are clips of Jin doing similar things on RUclips. Master Ma of the Wu style was another great master of similar abilities and I believe students of his are also very accomplished. What these masters demonstrate seems very different to what the modern Chen masters such as CXW ar
Martin Rooney does he have any students that now teach in the U.S.?? So hard to find real internal arts
@@SteveMe21685 Tim Suh is Patrick Kelly's student and teaches at his Alternative Health Group studio in Chicago. I'm a beginner in Patrick's school but also sharing what I know in Boston
Steve M Steffen de Graffenreid is Adam Mizners’ student, teaching in Atlanta, if that’s any nearer to you
@@jasonboi7466 Adam Mizner never studied (or even met as far as I know) Huang Xingxian, my understanding is Adam might have studied a bit with Lau King but have never been able to get a clear answer which of Huang's students Adam actually studied "seriously" with and for how long?
Charlie Liu He never met him as far as I know, as Huang would’ve passed before Adam started his taiji training, but Adam is credited as teaching Huangs style so must have learned from one of Huangs students. Which, I’m not sure either. I’m currently studying Adams online course as it’s my only option for consistent training methods at this time, he teaches the loosening exercises and the 37 forms as taught by Huang. I will post a link to a video of Adams schools’ demo at a Huang Xingxian tribute expo
never saw this video of Master Huang. Nice to see an old man defeat a Mob!!!!
Agreed.
amazing! pushes hands just like my teacher.... Dr Li Li Qun from shanghai!
dope!
+Adam Orona hes got some moves right?!
假装被推倒来搏取老人开心，不失为一种敬老行为，值得推崇和赞扬，继续，加油
WCC Chen is younger than GM Huang by definition. I am sure that WCC Chen can do it to some degree. And yes, this is a skill that takes a long time to manifest. But if you know what to look for, you can see rougher versions in younger masters.
Well, William C.C. Chen is not that young. How old do you have to be to do this then? I thought that since you mentioned these individuals they could manifest this same skill.
This seems to me to be more about the power of suggestion than the power of Taijiquan.
Nils...how did you get this footage? Thank you
It‘s mentioned below the video. From Tony Ward.
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Yang Tai Chi has smaller movements and is more compact that is why it "looks" effortless. Chen style is still a long form with external principles based on theory if yin and yang. Almost the same. I prefer Chen Style.
丫嗚花都…丟細共 ^＿ ^
Wow! I've always wanted to learn how to defend myself against an attacker who comes over to me slowly and gently places his hands on my body. Thanks!
Check out Chen style Master Bing with MMA fighters. Or Chen Jiao Wang with huge strong man. Tai Chi is an amazing art.
Chen people have no clue
Is this real?
silly fools. I have seen with my oun eyes Master cast opponents across 20 ft. floors. Do You have a Family album of Steps... Combine W/ Bagua and Lethality is real. I. miss him. 9 languages on a green shirt... Practice.
Nice video. Check out some of mine. My Sifu teaches us striking hands and rubbing hands. It's still tai chi, but it is much different than push hands.
Come on, they're not that old! This is a skill that literally take ages to achieve. Even Chen Xiao Wang is still a young man.
But he has no clue
os velhinho quase murrendo
hey Nils...check my cover foto. Masters Red Book. West L.A. from cir. '94. W/ Paul& Mark. Where is He? silly quest. watchin. he always said ' no head down' you see head up! form practice, not bad for rookie. watch. other 1st.
Why should they fake anything?
Getting angry and insisting it is fake is ok. It shows disbelief at a world not understood. Trolling the sights indicates a desire to "prove" it is not real so that ones understanding of the world is correct. This is the world of youth or ignorance. If one's intellect and wisdom is high enough, somehow the universe ensures that they eventually meet someone this good. It is what EVERY true martial artist will seek. To be willing to say "I don't know?" Is there even a remote possibility that this "might" be real?" That opens up great possibilities. Hopefully for their growth what they are really saying is "I wish I had the chance to prove to myself that this is real or not real. If all they want to do is prove to the world rather than themselves they may never get the chance.for either. Masters of this level are very very few. There is a "tradition" of paying the master. It would not make sense for a master to pay his students in hopes to gain other students that he also must pay to keep his "secret" going. The human mind will come up will all sorts of reasons for anything it does not understand. The Tai Chi Classics are indeed real in this world. Good luck.
Its real,
Pareciera que se tiran al propósito.
CXW is almost 70 (67) ! Huang only reached 82y there is no big space. And by the way CXW starteted Taiji from his early childhood while Huang started Taiji with 36. At least CXW already practise min. 10 years longer than Huang did!
like a lot of you, I am also skeptical - the students look like they are playing along, their footing and stances look awkward, and they don't look like they are very grounded or strong, and like one of you posted - why is always loyal and obedient students who are demonstrated on - well alas -- my tai chi instructor welcomes and demonstrates on anyone who walks thru the door - and he tells all of us to try as hard as we can - he does not want us to play along or get caught up in the respect thing - and to date I have some amazing things - he has a handful of videos out there - his name is mark bram and he teaches lee wah yook qi quan named after his teacher - you are all cordially invited to check it out
i have had a few of students like this and told them that if they kept doing this (flying away and jumping back etc. ) not to bother coming back, that soon sorted them out. It may massage the teachers ego but does nothing for the student or Tai Chi Chuan.
@Jack Smith Tai Chi Chuan
@Jack Smith Wu style of Cheng Tin Hung, my point is what is the student learning from this , looks to me that they have paid good money to learn tai chi chuan , from my knowledge of body language the students here are not even trying, it seems the more money people pay the less to they learn. But of course that's just my opinion which after 35 years of tai chi practice I think I deserve. with best regards.
Twaddle.
A piece of wood ( the student follower) don't hit back! ....Bruce Lee.
For now I'll stick with Chen Ziqiang and his sparring matches. However if these powers displayed are real . Then evolution is on It's way.
I am a student of both Chen style and CMC/huang style. At the core the principles are the same, but the expression of those principles are radically different. Also, what is demonstrated here is as real as what chen ziqiang is capable of, but I have to allow that the students are definitely letting the effects show fully.
Not the case man. Try him out then report back to us. Luckily he isn't the only teacher who can do this.
It is for these demonstrations that no one takes seriously the martial arts of Tai Chi Chuan
panda45059 you have no idea what you’re watching and how high level this guy was
So sad. All due to modern times when no one has the forthright boldness to simply challenge him.
Hhh
I agree. Master Huang obviously has skill, and to a certain extent this is a demonstration, but really, it is almost like WWF the way the other guy is over selling Master Huang's skill. It just makes the demonstration a bit ridiculous.
he may be good taiji master, but this video just don't show too much. his students don't really try to push or hit him. they just imitate trying...
Who else can do this?
..And my dad is stronger than your dad... Grow up, Taiji is not about being a fanboy, but about strong health and fighting skills to match! I got deep respect for CXW, but since Huang is long dead, there's no tellin who's the better player. And it doesn't matter. Also let's not forget about the recently departed Master Feng, and all the masters of lesser fame, but whose skills speak volumes of this fantastic art, which we call Taijiquan!
More related videos you will find here: www.taiji-europa.de/tai-chi-qigong-uebungen-videos-fotos/videos-mit-huang-sheng-shyan/ and: www.taiji-europa.de/tai-chi-qigong-uebungen-videos-fotos/videos-mit-schuelern-von-meister-huang/
+Nils Klug Yes, but why would anyone wish to see them?
+Baiyuantongbei I am just posted this video. Everybody has their own opinion. 225 liked it and 47 didn't. Quite some students follow his Tai Chi Chuan all over the world...
+Nils Klug yes it's the common weakness of modern times - but in the US and other scientifically educated nations there is law and jurisprudence - implying a process of the evaluation of evidence to determine the truth and where "flat worlders" and people who believe in mud gods have become irrelevant in light of data. Popularity determines nothing except in this case the abysmal stupidity of a lot of people.
+Baiyuantongbei This will be my only comment. In the video, Huang is practicing with older people, who may not have his background in Tai Chi, so he will easily be able to move them around. The benefits of real Tai Chi practice under a traditional teacher are immense. For your health and mental well being. It really does strengthen your tendons and full body coordination in a way that no other exercise does. Just because all of it may not look right doesn't mean it's not an amazing art with lots to offer.
Data is IMMENSELY useful in our modern world, and most Tai Chi players I know are critical thinkers who would agree. While it is highly beneficial, in the hands of arrogant people it's just as useful as mud gods.
+Bardactic No one argued this point. But, as the Classics of Taijiquan say, "Taijiquan is not _only_ a martial art..." What does that statement mean to you? It means that if nothing else, Taijiquan _is_ a martial art. If the proponent ("Master") cannot demonstrate the martial aspect of the art in any credible way, he doesn't know the art of Taijiquan at all. Better not to call whatever it is he teaches "Taijiquan." Instead, call it "slow calisthenics invented somewhere in China." That would be honest.
Insiders amoung Huang's students said it's staged.
Would love to use this argument for others. Do you have any sources?
??有這麼神??那怎麼會被查拳張英健15秒跌三次 被打的一踏糊塗收場?
Nothing is fake. It does not even require internal power. The master has the intention and the students have not. It is all body mechanic that can do it.
People will laugh when they hear the real Dao; if they don't laugh, it's not the real Dao. It's the same with real Tai Chi.
有沒有誇張一點...! 難道又是騙子...!
The guy is just jumping around and purposely falling over!
sembrava quasi vero poi le solite scemate per
non dire altro
I took some martial arts and this is not real. They move their feet to a position where they are not balanced and can be pushed easily in the unbalanced direction. He couldn't have done this to my Master. Many Houston Oilers football players couldn't move him and he was 130 lbs.
What do you mean this is not real? Have you practiced push hands?
What I mean by saying it is not real, is that it is fake. I have a black belt in karate. Do you think this is real?
+James ALEXANDER Yeah, I used to be an assistant instructor at a karate school (Tang Soo Do), plus some other stuff, now I'm mostly doing tai chi, push hands, and sword.
What this video shows is a standard Master push hands demonstration with his experienced students (at least 2 years by their posture). It's not especially impressive compared to Ben Lo's videos, but yep this stuff is real. In fact, he's being gentle.
My 70 year old teacher can throw me 10ft with a gesture. Normally guys twice my size can't move me an inch.
It feels like getting hit by a wave. You go flying but there's no sense of violence. It's surprisingly soft. But it's also easy to just send a person flying into objects or other people, so it's still quite dangerous.
My advanced tai chi class is just a few of us throwing each other around in a park and laughing cuz it's fun. It's mostly body mechanics but it feels like magic when you catch someone in the right spot and send them flying just by shrugging your arm
Rob B I am only talking about this video. Everything you said is correct.
Anybody that believes this are still probably waiting for the $10000000 that they are getting from a Nigerian prince.
This is a pretty typical demonstrations of push hands by a practiced master. There's nothing I see fake or exaggerated here. It's just hard to understand unless you've experienced it and practiced it yourself
bullshido
Any mildly trained MMA fighter can take this master out in 2 seconds, sorry for speaking the truth.
All martial arts has some sort of value there has been a few MMA fighters who have sucessfully incorperated Tai Chi into their style... Although your statement is true because MMA was designed for combat and Tai Chi has been watered down to health and mindfulness does not mean it is useless. You still shouldnt disrespect any martial art like that since all martial arts has its value and its place.
@Jack Smith Explain how i am ignorant?
@Jack Smith Yeah, since this comment i have done alot of extenstive research and found a local school teaching the martial side. They teach push-hands, weapon forms, Chin-Na (Joint locks) and alot of other martial sides of Tai Chi. I found a video of a Tai Chi practictioner showing joint locks and one was almost identical to a Kali joint lock. After Covid i am definetely going to check the local school out it seems very interesting.
@Jack Smith Yang style
A quick fist, are less than a second. With strength. Same with a kick. This video is a joke.
骗人
Sad that "Masters" resort to this type of behavior
I reckon he is relaxed with his inner school. From what I've read about him he was internally a mischevious follower of the Daoist tradition and not so much like when his teacher's hat was on and he was as you'd expect - stern and extremely careful about showing off and maintaining order and discipline. Hope that helps - I've just been reading Patrick Kelly's account of being his student for 20 years. Recommend it.
Conman, exploiter and thug.
Lol you guys are funny. That is just not how CXW practices. It's not the "style". CXW is the best there is and could do a lot better than this IMO.
Are u for real?? Try that shet on me??!! U can't push me
oh believe me you would learn to fly...have you ever met one ;)
Too much kowtowing to be relevant to anything, especially the development of a modern internal art. The great masters know how to develop students who can perform these "abilities" on the teacher. Not the other way around. The time for this type of training has been gone for 3 generations.
wow. You literally don't know anything about it a all. I am impressed you comment so confidently. Kudos.
Two words to disprove everything you just said - Adam mizner
@@joshpickles9022 no, Adam does not represent Huang in any way--he took some classes with some of Huang's students but as far as I know there is not even a straight answer as to who in Huang's school Adam actually studied with and for how long. Many people I know have asked and gotten the run around in answer to that very simple question.
Sorry to say this but this kind of Tai Chi performance is a completely colective hipnosys! First none of these applications are realistic, second there are no TCC principles here: I know the reputation of this master in Southeast Asia but to me this is fake!
Such garbage. Each student gets $10 every time he flys away as if hit by a sonic wave. What twaddle. They all look so scared to make a move that might show the Master up. All unreal moves, nice practice, not much help in actual combat. Good for the health though and for massaging one's ego.
more like they have guns pointed at them lol
You clearly don't know anything about martial arts or the application of tai chi.
You'd likely be scared too and learn respect after you'd tested it a few times. I had opportunity to train for a bit with his students. You learn fast that as you ramp it up, the harder you go, the much harder you fall - if they consider you worth learning the lesson. The best part (and why it really earned my respect), is that as a beginner, you can't even figure out how you were beaten. I met teachers of other martial arts too who came to study it for that very reason. The techniques are so subtle, it seems almost magic or just a fluke. You're quickly forced to find ways to improve, without just using blunt force and make it playful to be able to keep training without injury. Sometimes even trying out odd things to explore limits. Sure, occasionally some people get carried away and overly just go on - but that's not the teacher. Not much help in actual combat? Well, even for the short time I trained, it helped get me out of a number of hairy situations, with a minimum of effort, as it's intended.
He apparently knows more than you Rob since this is no martial art but a pointless show to attract dumb westerners, who are willing to pay to learn from this "master". Even Tai Chi Chuan is a martial art and this dude teaches you pointless crap which is not applicable in any situation.
@@Skeptical_Dante Why you worried about it, Martin? You just keep on being you buddy and let us crack on :)
rubbish not good tai chi
fool
As usual there are commenters/trolls who have little understanding of what they are watching. Of course the students are 'playing along', they have been taught to in order to survive practise without injury. 'Hopping like a sparrow' is similar to 'breakfalls' you learn in jiu jitsu or aikido. It dissipates the force and helps you to stay upright. You are seeing a demonstration of the practice of 'breaking the root' or 'uprooting' from various tai chi movements. If these techniques were applied with power and the angle changed the students would go straight to the floor and be seriously injured. There is no matting or padding, just another student waiting to catch and send back. Try to get beyond your juvenile hollywierd nonsense perception and understand it as a very subtle and advanced form of training touch sensitivity. Touch is faster than sight.
Actually that hopping is not them playing along thats the literal reaction to this you are literally bouncing off of them it gets really complicated on what's happening
Do some more research on it you get an idea of it but not what is actually happing it's not a force against force kind of thing it's more an internal fa Jing kind of thing
Dinzel Walker-Smith It looks ridiculous until you actually feel it lol all the fake master and fake-no touch masters are mimicking something that is real but not many can do it
Kokwah Tan nobody ever said that push hands is sparring. Push hands is just one aspect of taiji that teaches you how to listen. The fact that you do taiji and don’t know that tells me you are learning a trash system. Don’t feel bad, I’ve been there before.
never saw this video of Master Huang. Nice to see an old man defeat a Mob!