How to get feedback out of choir mics

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    Watch live while I use an RTA to help cut the feedback from choir mics!
    Update: I posted a short clip of the actual performance on my Facebook Page. Be sure to like and follow me there, too! / 516683272225309
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  • @AttawayAudio
    @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +12

    I uploaded a short clip of the actual performance on my facebook page! Check the description above for a link

    • @timsmith3689
      @timsmith3689 4 года назад

      1990's awesomeness! Great is He, We Exalt Your Name, Lord I lift your name on high..... Now that was a worship era to remember! Great job.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      Thanks! My phone ran out of space before they could get to the Ihopkc classics 😭

    • @Marquiiiss
      @Marquiiiss 4 года назад

      Attaway Audio Yes we have choir mics and I just can’t seem to get this one mic to stop having a static like sound. Any suggestions to how to fix it?

  • @bobbob123ful
    @bobbob123ful 4 года назад +68

    Some people don't know how to teach, but you have a natural gift to explain things well! Well done, love learning from you!

  • @TuDoorCinema
    @TuDoorCinema 4 года назад +25

    You’re walking in the Lord’s timing!! Lol
    We had choir this past Sunday and I used this! Thank you for your sensitivity to the Spirit, sound pastor.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +3

      Amazing! The Lord works in mysterious ways. Because I definitely didn’t plan the timing of having a choir either 😂

  • @MarcEverettProductions
    @MarcEverettProductions 2 года назад +7

    I love how you use SMAART to visually point out these trouble frequencies and explain clearly each step that you are doing as you are doing it. I tend to keep use graphic EQs for outputs (FoH, Wedge) not inputs (mics) but I see whatchya doin! Definitely subscribing!

  • @xRUSSIANMEx
    @xRUSSIANMEx 3 года назад +7

    Iv always had problems with the choir mics. This just opens up. Whole new world to me

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад +2

      Careful - you might trigger someone's musical Tourette's

  • @Tungchano
    @Tungchano Год назад

    Thanks James, I'm a corporate AV specialist but I still need to understand all the basic nuances of production AV so you're helping me a lot! I really appreciate it!

  • @mikemays7512
    @mikemays7512 2 месяца назад +1

    This is incredible!!! I've never seen this before! I'm a choir teacher trying to run sound and this is a huge tip. Thank you!

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 месяца назад +1

      God bless the choir teachers. My high school choir teacher is the person who introduced me to musicality in phrasing, and it stuck with me through many albums of vocal production.

  • @MichaelNatrin
    @MichaelNatrin 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for sharing! Great tips. I like that you explained what to do if you don't have the time to ring everything out.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      Hey that’s reality. You don’t always get all the time you need #realworld

  • @robmonteiro1957
    @robmonteiro1957 2 года назад

    Dank je wel voor alle tips welke U geeft. Ik heb helaas niet zo'n mooie mengpaneel als de uwe ter beschikking en ik treedt niet op in zo'n grote hallen maar dank zij uw uw aanwijzingen ook van uw andere video's kan ik met onze apparatuur veel beter geluid produceren dan voorheen met beduidend veel minder feedback. U doet het prachtig voor en legt het zeer duidelijk de materie uit. Mijn oprechte dank hiervoor.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 года назад

      Thank you for the kind comment Rob! Glad you're getting better!

  • @unacceptableone
    @unacceptableone Год назад

    just getting back into sound. Love these new digital mixers. I used to bring the system up to the brink of feedback and then move across the GEQ boosting each freq. to find the hot ones, and then cut those..... this capability is way better!!!! channel PEQ for the win!!!! Thanks for this demo.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  Год назад

      You're welcome! Nothing like ringing out feedback with a room full of people (working, obvs.) AND doing a live video!

  • @ilia_amb
    @ilia_amb 2 года назад

    What a great video. Thank you for perfect and amazing points .

  • @elijahherrell6282
    @elijahherrell6282 4 года назад

    great info. excited to hear the fruits of your labor tomorrow!

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад

      Me too! But ssshhhhh! It's a secret 😂

  • @Jumpy66
    @Jumpy66 10 месяцев назад +1

    I‘ve a lot of methods to elevate feedback of choir Mic. You have a natural db limit.
    The most feedback come from Monitors
    1. To get no choir mics to Monitor.
    2. If it is possible you can work with In ear Monitoring.
    3. Or you give Dynamic mics for the 4 Voice Soprano Alt, Tenor for the best singers to get only to the Monitor.
    4. Look for the room, what is possible to Place the front. Eventually work with delay Lines.
    5. Sometimes it is helpful to work with compressor. But you must have experience.
    6. You can cross the Pan. Left Mics to Right Boxes.
    7. To work with feedback eliminator. This is like make in the video manually.
    8. Look to decorate the wall, and didn‘t have no hard walls.
    9. Eventually work with Gate, to reduce the open mics.
    All this steps are first to to until you eliminate Feedback manually. The feedback Frequences changes with temperature. With people full room. Mostly it will be better. But you must have headroom of loudness. For Soundcheck in an empty Room, you must have 30% more loudness in a full people room.
    I‘ll hope with this tips you have a well concert.
    God bless you.

    • @busterfoxx
      @busterfoxx 2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for the pointers. I hadn't thought of 6) "crossing the pans"... That makes a lot of sense.

  • @abimaelmartell
    @abimaelmartell 2 года назад

    Thanks , going to need this for our Christmas special this weekend 🎄

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 года назад

      It's definitely tricky. Let me know how it goes/went!

  • @sbrown1971
    @sbrown1971 2 года назад

    Very good information thank You for what you do

  • @kinghengkeithleung3931
    @kinghengkeithleung3931 2 года назад

    Thank you so much - this demonstration is very clear!
    What are you thoughts if our church only has some spare Beta 58s (dynamics...) to do a spaced pair for choir in front of the main speakers?

  • @Shashli4ok
    @Shashli4ok 2 года назад

    Thanks for video! Helpful tips! Newbie question: how do you adjust Gain for choir mics?

  • @AnilKumar-zo2eu
    @AnilKumar-zo2eu Год назад

    Thank you so much sir for your packaged information.

  • @jonahbarasinopre
    @jonahbarasinopre 3 года назад +4

    Amazing tutorials, well done sir. However, I want to know how do you setup up Smaart with a digital console and with an analog console. Please do a step by step tutorial on how to connect, setup and configure Smaart with a digital console and an analog console. Thanks

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад

      Have you seen this video? ruclips.net/video/B5j9t1JwfJ4/видео.html

  • @burhanuddin127
    @burhanuddin127 4 года назад

    Best knowledge for pro audio on whole you tube!!

  • @matthewtimothy7884
    @matthewtimothy7884 2 года назад

    You are a good tutor. I see you are for guys who already know about mixing live sound.What is the name of that spectrum screen? Big up.

  • @jaredthegreat911
    @jaredthegreat911 4 года назад +3

    Thanks for this! X-FDBK is good for this too.

  • @zwild100
    @zwild100 4 года назад

    This was so helpful man thank you!

  • @romerbass2813
    @romerbass2813 2 месяца назад +1

    Fanstastic! I have to get an RTA corresponding somehow to my analogue mixer...

    • @c.s.5177
      @c.s.5177 Месяц назад

      If you have an iPhone I found an app called sonic tools. It is not even close to smart in any way but I was able to use it to do this with out an rta. It works the same in a very rudimentary way.

  • @passionformusic4291
    @passionformusic4291 4 года назад

    Awesome vid. Always easy to follow you.Thanks.

  • @brianlebrun2382
    @brianlebrun2382 Год назад

    I'll take that mic placement any time. I have 2 suspended over our choir loft but the loft is on the left side of the array and somewhat out front. I've rung these things out over an over but I still can't get much gain into them unless I pan it more to the right side. Unfortunately there's no moving the choir. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks for the videos...they help greatly.

  • @davidkennedy3154
    @davidkennedy3154 3 месяца назад

    That was great. Thank you

  • @FklefTV
    @FklefTV 4 года назад

    Did you route your smaart to the console or was the signal going to smart from a microphone?

  • @markulrich3861
    @markulrich3861 Год назад

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I have had allot of trouble with choir mics. Our church has Shure SM81s which are recommended for choirs by Shure. I have tried multiple methods and cannot seem to get enough signal to mix the room properly. It's just weak. The SM81s just always seem weak. I have the mics set at 0 DB (no pad) and used the 18 DB high pass filter roll off setting. I was able to set gain very high and used your method of ringing out the mics, which I like better than scrolling with the parametric EQ points. What mics are you using, do they have integral pre-amps built in? They sure sound great in the choir video. I am miking a 15 person choir, two rows deep, 7 in front and 8 behind staggered. Shure says to use three mics at six feet apart, two feet from the from singers (3 to 1 rule). Our budget will not allow for different mics at this point. Suggestions for better signal levels at the mixer?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  Год назад +1

      For now, just forget about the 3:1 rule. Place 2 mics at the 1/3 point of the choir, and back it up JUST enough so the person who's right in front of it isn't louder than everyone else.

  • @marcelsouza6228
    @marcelsouza6228 3 года назад

    James thanks a lot for the video! Can you indicate some mic models to be used with choir in church?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад

      Depends on your budget! DPA is amazing, but Shure makes some good ones too

  • @gavintichenor7619
    @gavintichenor7619 2 года назад

    What did you have the gain on the mics set to? We have hanging chior mics that I'm struggling to get volume out of.

  • @kravesound806
    @kravesound806 4 года назад

    Great vid. Thank you. What brand/model console are you using?
    Also have you used any of the Lake eq’s?? They work very well

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +2

      Hey thanks! I haven’t used the Lake EQs before, I’ll have to check them out! The console I’m on is the SSL L200

  • @jimpemberton
    @jimpemberton 3 года назад +6

    One issue I ran across with our choir mics is that once each mic was rung out and I turned them all back on, I was getting feedback on frequencies that I had reduced on some of the mics. Our eight choir mics were acting as an array. (It's clear the architect of our worship center didn't know much about acoustics.) My solution was to zero the mics back out and tune them together. I found that when I started to get a frequency feeding back, I could usually turn off a couple of mics and turn down the frequencies on those mics. The next frequencies I would find a couple of different mics to turn down. I a frequency came back at a higher level, I would have to find a couple of different mics and turn them down part way. I went through this going back and adjusting which mics were taking care of which frequencies in order to optimize frequencies for the different parts of the choir. That's probably not the solution everyone needs, but if you are having a problem turning all the mics on after having rung out each one, consider treating them as an array.
    My explanation for how an array works in feedback: take two microphones in an array. Mic A hears a resonant frequency in its part of the room, but doesn't hear it coming back from the mains. However, Mic B hears the frequency in the mains and feeds it back into the system. Reducing the frequency in either mic will eliminate the feedback. Just multiply this dynamic by however many mics you are using to cover an area, and you have a fairly complex system. Do you use less mics each covering a greater area, or more mics each covering a smaller area? In the first scenario, more gain will lead to more feedback. In the second scenario, more mics will lead to more feedback. You just have to play with it to get into a sweet spot.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад +6

      Another way to try this would be to EQ each individually, and then make a group to EQ out the frequencies that would bump up from the combination. Each time you add a mic, you add to the total gain, so it makes sense that there would be additional freq's that want to ring.

    • @jimpemberton
      @jimpemberton 3 года назад +2

      @@AttawayAudio Thanks! I'll have to try that. It's not as easy to do on our current board, but we are due for an upgrade and the system our consultant recommends would do this pretty easily. We use so many mics to combat the room's drawbacks, and use Astatic variable polar pattern mics to narrow the area each mic covers. That helps out some, plus alternating polarity and panning troublesome mics away from the side they are closest to. I'm using every trick I know and I'm open to tricks I don't know yet.

  • @coldcanfactory6879
    @coldcanfactory6879 4 года назад +2

    Thank you for the video! Did you EQ directly on the mics Equalizers or on the EQ for the speaker? Also, do you do the same on the lead?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      I put the EQ on the mic channels that were most likely to feed back, so just the choir mics. If I did have a lead vocal mic that was prone to feedback, I'd try the steps in this other video first, and then, if all that didn't work, I'd do the process above for that mic. But that should only be one or two frequencies if everything else is working properly. ruclips.net/video/X0sf2ZuQKGM/видео.html

  • @paulmorrey733
    @paulmorrey733 2 года назад

    Thanks James

  • @n_phaneuf
    @n_phaneuf 2 месяца назад

    Super helpful!

  • @freemandiaz5123
    @freemandiaz5123 4 года назад +2

    Like a boss! Plenty of gain feedback under control!

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      Thanks man! It’s so fun to get it that loud 😀

  • @HackingHollywood
    @HackingHollywood 4 года назад +1

    Do you have a link to the smart plugin? You may want to add it to the description. Also, your website "about us" and blog are both down.
    Also, have you heard of using choir mic's for congregation mic's? Is that a bad Idea?

  • @andreash8662
    @andreash8662 4 года назад

    great video! How much is the preamp gain turned up on the choir mics so that you can effectively ring them out?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      Thanks Andreas! The gain is turned up until... it feeds back. You want as much gain as you can get, and with sensitive mics near the front of the PA, it's not going to need much before it starts to ring. Gain is gain, no matter which stage it comes from.

  • @mattiaippolito1625
    @mattiaippolito1625 3 года назад

    Hi. Nice video and well explained, but If you use the peq to avoid feedbacks....what do you use to eq their voices?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад

      If you choose the right mic and put it in the right spot, it's likely it won't need much EQ. I talk about that more in this video here: ruclips.net/video/puPgZ3f8VWc/видео.html

  • @abelgeorge4953
    @abelgeorge4953 2 года назад +2

    Hello! I was wondering if these frequencies need to be adjusted every Sunday? Our church is pretty small and the mics and speakers don't move much do you think we will have to do this process every Sunday?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 года назад

      No, but changes in temp/humidity might make things change.

  • @gearjammer89
    @gearjammer89 2 года назад

    Wow this is a big help! Just wish I would’ve discovered it long ago lol

  • @princedavid6241
    @princedavid6241 5 месяцев назад +1

    Hey man this is very helpful. Just a quick question. Are you EQing the mic channel or the monitor channel?

  • @user-nm6sw6wy3p
    @user-nm6sw6wy3p Год назад

    Hello! say you do on the master channel?

  • @raghuljukebox5277
    @raghuljukebox5277 11 месяцев назад

    Sir do you place mic towards pa and cutting feedback? Or where do u place it

  • @matheusPMAVieira
    @matheusPMAVieira 4 года назад

    In my church every Christmas we have a big musical with choir, vocals, band and a big orchestra! It's very challenging to put the choir in the front mix without feedback! And they still need monitors!! Witch mics you use for choir?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад

      I typically reach for a small diaphragm condenser, and the flatter the response, and the more off-axis rejection (and smoother off-axis rejection) the better. If the choir sounds good, and the mic sounds transparent, you won't have to use EQ bands to fix the tonality. The ones in this video were some Audix miniatures that I found... not even sure of the model. 🤷‍♂️

  • @protoman247
    @protoman247 4 года назад +2

    D’oh! I used a graphic eq 😅 wished I would’ve seen this video sooner. Next time I’ll use the parametric eq.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +3

      Either one works, and that’s the important part. Everything else is baby steps to better quality

  • @AzaccaHops
    @AzaccaHops 4 года назад +2

    Question for Attaway Audio: Can you use the spectrogram to remove frequencies that create feedback to vocal and instrument mics as well as choir mics? Is this good practice or no? I typically reduce 350 - 400Hz & 1,200 - 1,400Hz on vocals since those are frequencies that can get obnoxious. Which is better practice or both?

  • @mdcoker
    @mdcoker 3 года назад

    Thank you very much for this video, the question i have is; is this the same as vocal eq?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад

      Not exactly. You're just trying to get it to not feed back. Choir mics are supposed to just sound good, honestly.

  • @xRUSSIANMEx
    @xRUSSIANMEx 3 года назад

    Also. To tune out frequencies. Do you select each mic and use its own RTA to show. Or a over all RTA for the whole sanctuary?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад

      No I just have a single mic at FOH feeding the RTA

  • @c.s.5177
    @c.s.5177 Месяц назад

    How high do you low cut choir mics? I used this trick with an rta app on my phone and already has made a huge difference. I’m micing a K thru 8th grade chorus so it doesn’t even have to sound good. I just need it to not feed back! Thanks for this video James, four years later it’s still helping.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  Месяц назад +1

      200 Hz is a good starting place. Move it up until it sounds thin, then back it off.

  • @patrickobichere8939
    @patrickobichere8939 4 года назад +1

    only question I have is how did you set the pre amp before raising the faders and ringing the mics out.?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      As I'm starting, I put the fader around -5 or -10 or so and roll up the preamp til it starts to feed back. As I get rid of more frequencies, I'll push up the fader more. Gain before feedback doesn't care if the gain comes from the fader or the preamp, and if you know where the highest point you can put your fader before it feeds back, that'll help you adjust your whole mix around that element to keep it from feeding back, but stay in front

  • @MikeTheBillionaire7
    @MikeTheBillionaire7 4 года назад

    So helpful! Thanks!!

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад

      You're welcome Mike! Thanks for watching!

  • @veerababudara552
    @veerababudara552 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for this video sir

  • @adi.sax.ardelean
    @adi.sax.ardelean 2 года назад

    Hello. Do you do this thing on the microphone channel eq or on the master eq? do you eliminate problematic frequencies with the soloist's microphone or the small rta on the master? thanks

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 года назад

      I try to make my EQ as non-destructive as possible, so I EQ individual channels first, then maybe group them to EQ some more if I have to, and then POSSIBLY EQ the main output, but I try to avoid that

  • @burhanuddin127
    @burhanuddin127 4 года назад

    Sorry if I'm wrong but isn't graphic eq in essense a parametric eq but with fixed state? And those other bell shaped ones are state variable but both are parametric...

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      A graphic EQ is in essence a fixed bandwidth, fixed point EQ. But if you're not careful, there can be phase shifts between the bands (that's how EQ does its job - it varies the phase for that frequency to cancel it out some or cause constructive interference). So if your graphic EQ is has too much change between two bands, it can cause phase issues and make it sound weird. Parametric EQs can be smoother phase-wise. And on the SSL, the parametric EQ has such fine controls, I could really dial in what exact frequency it is, much closer than I could with a 1/3 -octave graphic EQ.

  • @keithholmes6776
    @keithholmes6776 4 месяца назад

    Hi James - is their a live stream I can watch of the service with the choir and band? Thanks

  • @TheCarlosAlfaro
    @TheCarlosAlfaro 4 года назад

    Awesome!!! Thank you!!!

  • @buddyxxx2951
    @buddyxxx2951 2 года назад

    Great video! I have a question: Once we scooped those frequencies do we keep everything as it is or we do boost (EQ)other freqs to eq vocals or any other source?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 года назад +2

      I typically don't boost again in live sound. If I'm EQing surgically in the studio and notch something out in a similar fashion, you can add a wide boost at the same spot to "make up" for what you cut out.

    • @buddyxxx2951
      @buddyxxx2951 2 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio Thank you! Keep it up!

  • @MattStory1024
    @MattStory1024 Год назад

    Where is the mic pre set to on each channel?

  • @AZ-D
    @AZ-D 4 года назад +1

    Do a video on crowed and ambience mic with differences in sound with different mic placement.
    Thx.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      Sounds like a great topic! Thanks Diego!

    • @AZ-D
      @AZ-D 4 года назад

      Attaway Audio
      Yes it is. That is what im currently working on that at my church. Trying to balance both for musicians and broadcast feed and along with what eq or Processing. Just curious what your input is
      Love all the content
      Thx.

  • @indikasampath5440
    @indikasampath5440 4 года назад

    Hi i follow ur great videos ..got some questions..1. Do u perform this step after calibre the pre amp level ?
    2. Is it the same mic ringing after cutting the feedback frequency, if so why a single mic has multiple feedback frequencies ?
    3. Whats da software used for the spectrum analysis ,or its built in for mixer ...Thanks

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      1. I do it as I’m setting my mic pre levels, because I want my fader to live around 0 with a few more dB of headroom before it rings. This way I know visually how far I have before it’ll feedback. So the steps go hand-in-hand.
      2. Every mic will have more than one frequency that will feed back, but you start with the “loudest” one, and pull it down, and then you can push the level up further to get to the next one, and turn that down. You have to get one out of the way before you can isolate the next one. At least if you’re working methodically.
      3. This program is Smaart by Rational Acoustics. But a bunch of mixers have an RTA built-in to the EQ screen, which is SUPER helpful.
      Thanks for the questions Indika!

    • @indikasampath5440
      @indikasampath5440 4 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio thanks for taking time to answer my questions and it was really helpful 😎

  • @bukkyodofin385
    @bukkyodofin385 4 года назад

    How often do you ring out your mics

  • @yama3833
    @yama3833 Месяц назад

    Hi! Thanks for the tutorial! How much you hipass mics?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  27 дней назад

      For choirs that don't have bass singers, you can go up to about 200 Hz without any repercussions. But definitely play with it and see if that makes it too thin and back it off.

  • @user-nm6sw6wy3p
    @user-nm6sw6wy3p Год назад

    Or on the input channel of the microphone?

  • @tomcunanan5086
    @tomcunanan5086 Год назад

    Hi! Can I ask what app are you using on your PC?

  • @MGort-bb8op
    @MGort-bb8op 3 года назад

    If I may ask, what do you think about the dbx AFS2? On paper this device should work awesome regaring filtering out nasty frequenties.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад +1

      I haven't actually used one, but I think it is great, but has its limitations. What if you have 4 mics but only two channels of processing, and each mic feeds back at 3 different frequencies? Eventually it runs out of processing power.

    • @MGort-bb8op
      @MGort-bb8op 3 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio I would use the device as insert processor on a "speech" bus. Sending all the same type of headsets to one of the two inputs. Thanks for your answer.

  • @user-vi7vx5lb9i
    @user-vi7vx5lb9i 3 года назад

    Hey brother
    I wanted to ask which microphones do you recommend for amplifying a children's choir?
    Thank you, Ehud

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад

      any small diaphragm condenser or a miniature...

    • @user-vi7vx5lb9i
      @user-vi7vx5lb9i 3 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio thanks you

  • @santoshgujar5237
    @santoshgujar5237 Год назад

    Thank you, Sir, 😇🙏🌺

  • @Martinmusic07
    @Martinmusic07 4 месяца назад

    What is the freqency of your HPF?

  • @latchors
    @latchors 4 года назад

    Great content, I really enjoy your videos, but something is bugging me about this one, since you use the parametric eq of each mic to get rid of the feedback and they are limited, then you cannot eq the mics, am I correct? Is this part of the compromise or you have a solution for that? I'll be waiting for more videos :D

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +7

      Great observation! Yes, using the channel’s parametric EQ limits what I can do to EQ the signal musically, but the key here is to choose a mic that, without the feedback issues, sounds good on the sound source in the first place. You don’t HAVE to EQ everything just because it’s there 😀

    • @KompaKing
      @KompaKing 2 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio found my answer lol

  • @brightsideofsaturn
    @brightsideofsaturn Год назад

    What were you using to capture the signals, an output from the mixer or an rta mic out in foh

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  Год назад

      RTA mic at FOH... but either one works

  • @kevinwang7894
    @kevinwang7894 8 месяцев назад

    Great video! Just curious, what mics were you using?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  8 месяцев назад +1

      Two were some audix condensers, and I don't remember the other two

  • @dakalomatidza3828
    @dakalomatidza3828 2 года назад

    Hey what happens now that you used all yr bands and now dont have any more bands for TONAL BALANCE

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 года назад +1

      Use a great mic in the right spot so you don't need to. Or you can bus them all together and use the EQ on the bus.

  • @shaiju8743
    @shaiju8743 4 года назад

    THANKYOU VERY MUCH

  • @pindopurba
    @pindopurba 4 года назад

    I am just awed by how narrow that EQ can go. Can i get that narrow on a Midas M32?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +2

      Yeah it’s really surgical! That’s one of the things you get when you buy a more expensive board... much more expensive 😬 the M32 is great, but it’s eq doesn’t go that narrow

  • @MAGrimsley
    @MAGrimsley Год назад

    I realize that I am watching this 3 years from when you posted the video. I am curious as to what software where you using to show you the frequencies for the choir mics feedback that allowed you to cut those freqs.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  Год назад

      Smaart in RTA mode is what's showing me the frequencies.

  • @michaelanderson4265
    @michaelanderson4265 10 месяцев назад

    Where is the gain set before pushing up the fader..? Do you ring out the monitor feedback before the microphone(s) feedback..?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  10 месяцев назад

      Great question! If I'm doing this before any talent arrives, I may go ahead and set gain by putting the fader at 0 and then rolling up the preamp until I get feedback, notch it, and then keep rolling up the preamp. This way I know that above 0 on the fader is the edge of how loud I can put it, but I'm safe below there. Then if the talent arrives and I need less preamp, I can always turn it down.

  • @livemixpriyan
    @livemixpriyan Год назад

    Thanks for the Video. I have some questions.
    1. I Think you cut the frequencies of the microphone channels. Why didnt you cut those frequencies on the monitor channel instead of Microphone channel? Wont that change the Sound of Voice?
    2. If there are 3 to for frequencies to be cut. then after using the PEQ how can one EQ the voice to Attenuate or boos some freqiencies of the voice to make it sound sweeter or nicer?
    Thanks in Advance

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  Год назад +1

      The mics were close to the mains, not the monitors. The narrow cuts don't change the tone much. And hopefully the choir just sounds like they should, and the mics don't have weird tonal things that need correcting, so you don't have to EQ more. If it was a close-mic'd vocal, that's not usually the case.

    • @livemixpriyan
      @livemixpriyan Год назад

      @@AttawayAudio You mean in case of Close Mic's should we eq the Monitor to Ring out?

  • @synthuaxed
    @synthuaxed 8 месяцев назад

    Just to be clear, are you ringing out the mic channel or the monitor (aux) feed?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  8 месяцев назад

      The feedback is coming through the main speakers, and I'm EQing the input channels

  • @bearklenda7409
    @bearklenda7409 3 года назад

    How were you able to isolate the choir from the full band with the mics and choir where they were located?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад

      Stage is relatively quiet. Amps underneath stage, drums in a cage, no monitor wedges for band.

  • @miguelpessanha
    @miguelpessanha 3 года назад +1

    Is it feedbacking on the PA or mons?
    Were you applying the EQ to the choir mics or to the wedges?
    Thanks for sharing!

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад +1

      It's feeding back through the PA, and I'm putting the EQ on the mics themselves.

    • @KompaKing
      @KompaKing 2 года назад +1

      @@AttawayAudio great tip but if I am using the bands to ring out, how am I going to EQ the mic if I have no more eq bands to use?

  • @shijigeorge3861
    @shijigeorge3861 3 года назад +1

    helpful thank you

  • @CarlTripulca
    @CarlTripulca 26 дней назад

    one by one equing right thanks

  • @sophiarodriguez1861
    @sophiarodriguez1861 Год назад

    Isn't that the exact same process for every mic (and not only for choir mocs)? 🤔

  • @maheshamberkar3187
    @maheshamberkar3187 4 года назад

    Hi Wanna ask. Monitors are Eq d according to Microphone feedback.
    What happens to the band (Music) tone. Or you only Eq Vocal Aux?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад

      I put the EQ on the mics, not the speakers, so only those particular inputs are affected. Hopefully the eq notches are narrow enough that it doesn’t affect the tone. Your ear can tolerate a big narrow cut and not notice it

    • @burhanuddin127
      @burhanuddin127 3 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio so do you ring out only choirs or do you do it with all other mics as well cause usually while ringing out, one will eq the monitors or mains and not the mics to prevent tonal changes of the source. What is it that you do?
      Thanks.

  • @adeyeyeadedokun4133
    @adeyeyeadedokun4133 3 года назад

    attaway is the ringing out done on FOH eq or on the choir mic channel channel eq. thanks

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад +1

      EQ is on the microphone inputs, not the FOH EQ.

    • @adeyeyeadedokun4133
      @adeyeyeadedokun4133 3 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio will the Equalization not affect the mic output quality? thanks

  • @andrewmilbrandt406
    @andrewmilbrandt406 2 года назад

    What RTA would you recommend as far as an APP, we dont have the set up for SMAART yet and I need to do this on a couple of mics?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 года назад +1

      Any RTA app can work, but the higher number of bands available means you can be choosier about which exact frequency you're notching out

    • @andrewmilbrandt1912
      @andrewmilbrandt1912 2 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio I found out that our Si Performer isn’t great for notching out frequencies. But thanks to your video I was able to get rid of a couple of feedback frequencies.

  • @timsmith3689
    @timsmith3689 4 года назад +1

    James, can you explain a bit about what type of input is your SMAART spectograph is reading. Is it channel PFL from the desk or a reference room mic?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад

      In this instance, Smaart has a reference-style mic as the input, but a PFL would work, it just takes an extra step. And I mostly use Smaart while mixing to quickly identity problem frequencies in the room, so the mic is more effective for that

    • @timsmith3689
      @timsmith3689 4 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio So should you connect the reference mic direct to the PC running Smaart or is patched from the mixing desk? Sorry for the basic questions!

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад

      No problem! We have an audio interface with a mic input that feeds the computer, so it doesn’t take any channels or routing on the console. If we were taking a Transform measurement (comparison of signals), then I would route a mono-summed signal from the console to a second input on the interface so they could be compared at the same time.

    • @timsmith3689
      @timsmith3689 4 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio Thanks James. Just got back from this week's worship rehearsal. What you explained worked a treat!

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад

      That’s awesome!!! Way to crush it!

  • @yahatix
    @yahatix 6 месяцев назад

    dang it. I really could have used this video on Christmas eve a few days ago 🙈

  • @Kuuuks
    @Kuuuks 4 года назад

    How do you use the same Graphic EQ to knockout problematic frequencies and be able to also us it to fine tune the Mics at the same time?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +2

      Great question! Beyond changing mics to get the base sound you want without EQ, you could patch in another EQ on the insert from a rack, route them through a group and use EQ on that, or just make a compromise between gain-before-feedback and tone.

    • @Kuuuks
      @Kuuuks 4 года назад

      Attaway Audio I always wondered how to get both.... Thx much 👍🏾

  • @dove690
    @dove690 2 года назад

    Hi from Romania 🇷🇴
    Can you explain my you ring out the microphone 🎤 one by one separate?
    Thank you 👍

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  2 года назад +1

      Each one is going to ring at different frequencies, and I want to use the least severe EQ across the board to get the results I want and need.

    • @dove690
      @dove690 2 года назад +1

      @@AttawayAudio
      Oh ok
      Thank you so much.
      what I’m doing and I think I did wrong is I am ringing out all the mics together .
      an thing I cut too much from the Graphic EQ .
      What I understand from you is to ring out the mike one by one.
      thank you so much again and God bless you.

  • @JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION
    @JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION 4 года назад

    Thanks!!

  • @HannahDenae
    @HannahDenae 4 года назад

    @AttawayAudio What Mics are you using?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад

      Audix SCX-One and some other little Audix mic I found. I’m kinda scrappy, so sometimes I just throw whatever I’ve got up there and make it work 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @jacobphilip1942
    @jacobphilip1942 3 года назад

    Thanks a lot

  • @0505abe
    @0505abe 4 года назад +1

    OTHER QUESTION WHAT IS THE PRICE OF THE MIXER YOU USED

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      $60-90k depending on the model

  • @eugenesidelnyk4600
    @eugenesidelnyk4600 Год назад

    That's pretty interesting, however in my case after ringing out mics separately, when I enable them all and turn the volume up, it is not possible to have the same level as on individual.

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  Год назад

      Yeah combining them raises the overall level

    • @eugenesidelnyk4600
      @eugenesidelnyk4600 Год назад

      Btw, how do you deal with the low end on choir mics? Or are you just ringing them out and that's it?

  • @nikolataushanov7732
    @nikolataushanov7732 4 года назад

    could you tune the system with this method by puting a mic in the medle of the stage, so yo don't have to do this to the intividual mics?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      Not exactly. You want to EQ the speakers to sound good, not to get rid of feedback. You wouldn't want to EQ the speakers that are going to the audience based on what's being heard on stage. Plus, it's not all the inputs that are feeding back, so you just want to EQ the individual channels that are feeding back; and as you see in the video, they don't all feed back at the same frequency when they're in different places, or even different mics. Thanks for the comment Nikola!

    • @nikolataushanov7732
      @nikolataushanov7732 4 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio thanks a lot for the replay from greece my friend!So the idea is to solve the problems in deferent placies of the room..and yes they are not all the same frequencies!

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      ​@@nikolataushanov7732 There are two different processes we're talking about. 1) This particular video is about getting feedback out of the mics from the PA, which you use EQ on the mic channels. 2) Tuning the PA so that it sounds transparent; what goes in is what comes out. For tuning the PA, yes, you'll have different frequency responses across the room, which is why it's tricky to get right, and I'll post a different video about that. Thanks for serving Jesus there in Greece, Nikola!

  • @ahmedthabet8200
    @ahmedthabet8200 4 года назад

    Good tool but Feedback is changing and will vary depending on the people and obstacle on stage while performing ...so shall you do it again while performing?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  4 года назад +1

      Yes, a changing environment definitely changes feedback frequencies, but people will tend to absorb frequencies rather than reflect it. But if they introduced new reflective surfaces, the potential for feedback goes up. So watch for reflective surfaces

  • @gurumonkey
    @gurumonkey 3 года назад

    so won't increasing the gain on these mics to be as high as possible also pick up more of the band that is behind them?

    • @AttawayAudio
      @AttawayAudio  3 года назад

      Yes, but it doesn't affect the balance of signal to noise. The choir is just as loud relative to the band no matter how hot the mics are.

    • @gurumonkey
      @gurumonkey 3 года назад

      @@AttawayAudio ah. Thank you. Didn't think of that. So you're raising the gain to get the most common choir possible so you can mix the band louder in the house. So everytime you move those mics different frequencies will show?