Thanks for the video. I just bought my first timemaster today and was very surprised by the mower. Lots of power , and cut my yard work time in half or more. Mower can even do wheelies with all the power.
Thanks for the video. I bought mine 2 weeks ago. This machine is bad ass! The price was a bit high but after using it the first time I had no buyers remorse. I’m 6’2 and walk fast. I couldn’t even use it on the fastest setting. Plus like box says, it will save you over 40 percent on time. The mulching on it is perfect. Pull the trigger and buy one.
Purchased an older timemaster today. Had to jump on it quick. After watching 8 of them for the last month deciding on which to buy, all 8 were sold around the same time last week. If you love in the midwest, dont shop the last week of february. Too much competition. I was lucky to find one more at a pawn shop.
I PURCHASED THE EXMARK MODEL FOR HOMEOWNER USE: I bought the 30" Exmark in the Spring of 2017. It was the most recent updated version of the 30" walk behind. I have Bermuda grass and not a huge yard to mow. I wanted a great cutting mower and one that saved a bit of time compared to a 22" homeowner mower sold everywhere in town. I had a 22" Toro self-pace prior to this purchase. No comparison. This Exmark is the real deal. It cuts beautifully, has a strong Kawasaki engine and those older issues of transmissions and belt stretching haven't been any issues with this newest model. I was cutting my lawn at 3" height last year (2017) and it handled it like nobody's business. The only time I had clippings on the grass is when the bag was filled to the max. Exmark has a better and larger catch bag than previous model years. I will mention that you need to open the belt/pulley door guard occasionally to clean out any clippings that have accumulated inside there. Allowing this to build up in there over time may result in belt or pulley wear faster than normal. Operator type daily/weekly maintenance should be done anyway so don't forget this location. I have started my 2nd season with this yard beast and it's working flawlessly and is making my yard look way better than the neighbors who are using lawn care companies that use Walkers etc to mow their yard with nowhere near the finish results I'm achieving. I cross cut the lawn so it stripes it and they've told the Walker operators to cut their lawns at an angle or cross pattern and still can't compete. I highly recommend this newer version of the Exmark 30" walk behind for your lawn mowing needs. My lawn looks like a green at the golf course and the even cut this mower provides make your lawn so smooth and even like it's a rug and not grass. Proper lawn care aids in the look as well. I hope this helps out.
Very very nice review and I really have to mention how informative and professional they are. I own the first model Time Master and was looking for information on the new one. Now I feel so much more informed and comfortable to purchase the new model. Tank You
I have had many issues with my 2016 Toro 30 in TimeMaster. It NEVER starts hot. There was a recall to change the crummy paper fuel filter, but i solved that design flaw, where the fuel feed is only 1/2 in drop from the tank outlet to Briggs 120000 series engine carb. I lashed on my Honda GCV190 Tank and a nice long hose, with a Disc filter and Shutoff valve from Home Depot. The Briggs recall is to install a metal HEAT SHIELD between the cyl head and float bowl, to fix hot restarting. I often do better than that, just get some silver foil faced R-MAX foam insulation, maybe cut 3x5in,, smash a recess to fit behind the float bowl with a small hammer, and shove it in place above the black plastic belt guard cover. surfaces, that worked for a few years,then needed to cool things down with Starting fluid or Gumout to restart hot. I then replaced the carbs several times with the inexpensive ones on Amazon. Worked a little better than Briggs OEM. FINALLY, I did replace the Magneto coil and shutoff switch, but yesterday PROVED THE NEW ONE IS INTERMITTENT. Got an adjustable Spark Tester, set for 10KV gap or larger - NO OUTPUT!!!!!!!!!!! Then I took the old one, sanded the pole pieces and TAPED the entire HV lead with 3M Electrical tape, and split the plastic insulator sleeve from my new Spark Tester, covering the CHAFED section where the muffler heatshield abradedi it. BINGO, it finally started! I then checked the Compression cold, but forgot to open the throttle plate - it read almost 30lbs. We also replaced the crummy HEAD GASKET again, with the 2nd gasket in the $42 Amazon kit, which HAS A NICE METAL fire ring, but is for the 223CC Upgraded engine all the Yard Service guys pay $500 new, to finally fix the underpowered temperamental 190. I found the old gasket BLEW OUT near the Exhaust side, a second time, vapor from all my Starting Fluid was coming out. Another telltale sign was the 4 head bolts were NOT TIGHT. I should have retourqued to the 125 in-lbs spec AGAIN after a month. Since 70lbs seems to be the spec for these 190CC motors, I WILL be buying a new Piston, Rings, and Wrist pin set, and the 2 different length Rod bolts to raise the crummy 30lbs that is causing stalling issues. And my friend set the VALVE clearances ay 0.006in, AFTER INSTALLING THE NEW thicker gasket. It starts if I put the choke rod in, but soon I fave to remove it, and flip the choke spring 180 degrees over, to the main governor spring post, r it will bog down too rich! When I get anther $500 saved up, I am going to Toro Menders in ATL to buy a replacement 223CC engine, and a new DECK for another $100. Final note, there is a Hi Lift Blade kit, including a new front V shaped shield that bolts in with the front wheels assy - critically IMPORTANT, IT USED TO just fill the chute with grass. ------------- for the past 8 years it will FILL the bag with even wet grass- My thoughts, nothing else is safe on my sloped back yard, and at 150lbs for me, I can easily handle this 135lb mower. Just skip the $200 more Electric Start option, because it will be clunkier to use there. Just my thoughts after 8 years of Time Master troubles. And I replaced many broken cables, worn bearings, and belts Fyi, Hilary in GA
If you are having Fraying issues, make sure the deck is completely clean underneath, cut a little slower. You can even do half width cuts, that way you insure you double cut each blade. Cutting wet grass, morning dew and dull blades are usually the cause, but cutting slower can really help. If your grass is really, really healthy it could be fighting back a little and almost becoming cut resistant.
Thank you for this video. I’m trying to decide on buying a 2013 TM in great condition for $500 with extras vs a new 2017 TM. I’ve watched a few videos with mixed reviews on the older TM. But your video has helped.
I know this video is old but I think the cut quality you mentioned is a result of a smaller blade length. There is less mass being spun, and a longer blade will have more area to move per RPM. This would explain the "RPM" being good, and the blade being sharp, yet the tips are turning brown.
Hows this one been? My 2014 mower just bit the dust, no compression. I've spent money on it every year to keep it running. This Mower is a dud. Now I need to get another engine for it. Going with the upgraded one on the newer models. Ryan did you notice a power difference with the newer one?
Time master is fitted with high lift blades for catching n side discharge, for better mulching results fitting more dedicated mulching blades and sooner cuts to mulch less grass. As for the cut miss or torn cut finish try change your forward cutting speed as in slow down or fit a quad blade system.
Thanks for the info. I tried mowing at a snails pace but didn't see much difference there either. I would consider my grass extreme thickness so that still plays a part.
I know this is an old vid but I was researching this mower as I’ve been interested in a possible used one as I haven’t found any in my area. Do you still use yours at all and are you still happy with it after several years? I haven’t seen you use in in recent vids
The deck on that mower is not shaped for mulching and as you say, your grass is so thick that mulching might be a problem even with the best mulching mower on the market, but again that humidity content of the grass blades is also not helping. Try to mow after 4H00-5H00 PM but before dew starts forming in the evening that also helps
Great video. You mentioned the grass tips turning brown on occasion. I have an Scotts 2046 riding mower and the manual states that if the plane that the blade rotates is not 1/4 to 3/8 inch lower in the front than at the back, the blade may be cutting (striking) the grass blades twice resulting in tips turning brown. Never tried to test this before, but would be simple to do with a push mower having independent front/back height adjustments.
I often set the back end of the timemaster higher than the front. So I'll keep that in mind and pay close attention next summer when I typically see the most damage because of the heat.
I know this is older but here is my question...I have a large lawn with Bermuda tif419. I currently use a Toro Recycler and was considering the Timemaster but I’m big on mulching so would the Toro Super Recycler. Thanks
Does it Clump up and wet High Grass cuz I wanted to use it for Moen other people's yards and you kind of have to go mow when they call you... Do you have any idea about the clumping or is it strong enough to overcome that thanks
Just picked up a really nice used one at a great price! Only used it once so far but really like it! With my old super recycler I had to overlap my previous pass a little to cut all of the grass. Do you have to do that on your timemaster? It seems like you go right over the wheel tracks. I feel like the wheel tracks wouldn’t get cut this way.
Ryan, I have this exact mower. My yard has gotten so thick that I’m having trouble mulching which I do 99% of the time. Usually only bag the 1st and last mow of the season. I also mow on the tallest setting. I’m having to mow my yard 2 and 3 times to help break up the clumps from the first pass. I’m also noticing the “ripped” tips of my grass. I thought I needed to change the blades out but upon inspection they were good to go. Thinking about ordering a pair of the gator mulching blades on the recommendation of my dealer. I’m seriously to the point if I can’t mow my grass tall and have it thick I’m going to purchase the Honda HRX217HYA. Based off what I’ve read the Honda is a beast when it comes to mulching. I’m going to miss the personal pace for sure though. What are your thoughts? Have to had ant better luck? Thanks in advance!!!
Blades have to be super sharp and one trick that seems to work for me is back of the deck one notch higher than the front. Doesn't completely remedy the grass tips but it seems to help. I don't mulch with mine. I just mow as often as I need to side discharge so I'm never putting too large of clippings on the grass. Works fantastic this way but if you're dead set on mulching, then Honda is probably the better choice.
Love the videos! Have you considered buying a inexpensive belt sander for sharpening your blades? It's the only way I sharpen blades now and it does a great job.
That would be an option. I have used angle grinder in the past. I just like that I can be a little more particular with my file and maintain a better angle.
Great vids. Where in the midwest are you? I'm in the Northwest Burbs of Chicago and I've been trying to get my lawn up to par, but this is my first home so I'm struggling a bit. Wondering how closely I can follow your routine.
Good Video. I am researching mowers. i will buy a Toro. Just deciding whether a Time-saver is worth the money over the Super Recycler. I also have a very thick lawn and mulching was one thing I felt this would be good for (2 dogs and do not like clippings all over hteier feet). I am reading about cable and belt concerns and now your video states it doesn't mulch very well? I am leaning back towards my Toro Stand-by....the 22" cut.
It also depends a little on your grass type. The wider bladed grasses (tall fescue, st aug) seem to do ok with this on mulching from what I've seen from others. My thin bladed kentucky bluegrass is extremely thick and that's a lot to cut through and also try to continuously cut those clippings as they swirl around in the deck a little tougher to do. The side discharge cut quality on this mower is very good and as long as you're mowing often enough, the clippings are very small and similar to mulching. Just my 2 cents.
So you like the old model a little better? Just curious. I picked the old model up a few months ago on Facebook marketplace I’m hoping it does a great job!
Hey Ryan. You mentioned that the TM30 is about the only choice out there that's a wide cut but with a traditional walk-behind design and not at a commercial price, but that's not true. What do you think about the trio of MTD mowers that are 28"? Craftsman, Troybilt, and Cub Cadet with their copy-cat self-pace system. I've actually watched the reviews carefully and have actually handled one in a store; and my thoughts are that: (1) It's great that another manufacturer is entering this space to maybe push it along and perfect some of the weaknesses of the product and put price pressure for more value, as I'd love to see the wide mowers take off with many brands and styles offered; (2) it's great also that MTD provides options for customers to get this wider cut now (though 2" less than the TimeMaster) for $150-$200 less than the TM30; (3) It's possible that this deck may have a little better mulching performance with a deeper deck, but I can't really ascertain it's performance versus Toro since there are so few reviews on them and I've seen a complaint or two about clumping under the deck also with the MTD's, so I'm not sure if it's better; added to that, the new 223 cc TM30 seems to have less power complaints; (4) I like the concept of the engine oil drain plug with a tube, but find that tipping the TM30 is not really as big a deal as many make it out to be; (5) I like the concept of the single cut height adjustment lever; but that my excitement is tempered by the fact that: (6) I'm not sure about this "self-stride" system as compared to the TimeMaster Personal Pace. You actually push downward instead of forward for the self pacing system, and while users tend to like it overall, it doesn't seem nearly as good just watching people navigate in the few videos I've seen; very slow by comparison (7) It looks like from the few honest reviews I can find and watching videos that the MTDs do not have near the speed of the TM30 and that would be a real deal buster for me as sometimes I'll walk behind at full TM30 speed; (8) even though I rarely bag, but sometimes I have to in September in the thickest part of my yard, and I do also bag for fall clean up occasionally. So as a convertible bag cutting machine, I absolutely hate the bagging system of the MTD as compared to the TM30; (9) Even though no reviewer mentions it, part of what makes the TM30 such a great alternative is it's compactness as a mower despite it's very wide cut, and how the front wheels really don't stick out very far beyond the deck (some front drive 21s stick out more); I've measured 8" from the front of the deck to the front wheel tips; and so this is what makes the TM30 operate and navigate and maneuver much like any 21-22 inch mower; but that the MTD has this cockeyed deck on it where it looks as thought the left front wheel is maybe around 10" distance from the front of the deck and the right wheel is probably 13-14 inches from the front of the deck to the front wheel tip. Also, the total length from handle end to the front, due to the offset deck, must be considerably longer than the TM30, and that may be better for helping it stay planted over bumps better than TM30, and it's possible that it may help it perform as a better mulching mower; but that longer machine would be too big of a trade off for me and what the TM30 provides. What I'd really love to see but don't expect it to occur due to what is currently popular by homeowners, is a wide cut mower that's traditional style but that's set up first as a side discharger and then mulching and/or bagging as an afterthought instead of the other way around. A good example of this is the World Lawn 32 commercial mower. It has a very large flip up chute and a very wide side opening which unleashes the power of a 10 hp B&S engine (not 10 ft-lb, but 10 hp). The MTDs and the TM30 were designed primarily with mulching in mind with their set ups with that plate down and a clip on chute, and that's ironic with respect to the TM30, because it's a poor mulching mower for many yards around the country but makes a very formidable side discharger and bagger. If instead, however, the TM30 had a larger side opening and a flip up, flip down chute like that World Lawn mower has, which allows one to flip it up for more spreading of clippings and flip down for more directional blowing; instead of a cheesy little chute that falls off whenever one rubs against the ground pulling backward, and a chute that helps promote clogging up of the side opening in thick grass; then that would be my mower. The problem with the World Lawn 32 is that it is not low profile like the TM30 and the MTD 28s; and it uses those commercial-type levers. So in essence it's not the same kind of mower that's good for regular mowing and trimming. So what I'd like to see are different options of the TM30. A version that is side discharge first and foremost mower that would turn this mower into a beast and much more usable and more powerful as a side discharger. Currently, I'm storing and hauling my chute with me as I mow clipping it to a bungie strap across the handle and also bungie strapping my mulching plate up, but when I get near fences and structures, I have to stop and mount the chute. I also have to mount the chute to blow off the driveway. But if the TM30 had a system for a chute like the commercial mowers have, going chute up, chute down would be easy. There is one video on here where a commercial mower who mows only small yards uses the TM30. He has 2 bungie cords clipped together and a drilled hole in the mulch plate. He has a system where he can simply reach and grab the bungie and clip at two different spots allowing for up and down operation. But the problem with that method is that if I try to lower my mulch plate in my back yard; it will almost immediately clump up and I can't mow. So my solution is using the supplied chute, but then that's sort of a hassle. And keep in mind, I'm already mowing my back yard every 4 days, and have to do so no matter what kind of mower I use, and still the supplied chute clogs up the side opening and I can use it only for limited distances like near fences and structures so that I don't blow dead grass all over everything.
Nice video Ryan. I'm in the market looking into getting something bigger now that my grass is thick and I'm having trouble mulching with my 160cc motor. I mulch 90% percent of the time, would you recommend the timemaster or the Honda 217 with its micro blade technology? I just want a strong mower and a good mulch cut quality. Thanks!
I happen to purchase this mower in the spring. Overall I agree with you on all of your points of the review. I am selling it with only 5 hours on the engine. I won a zero turn shortly after buying it, so no need for two. I can deliver within an hour of Sioux Falls, SD. $950
ryanknorr Yeah I've heard the same thing, the LCN use to use the super recycler before and it seemed to do great with his lawn. The issue with my yard is that theirs slope to it and I heard it's not that good on hills? I also know that it's a 160cc motor as well and idk if that's strong enough for my thick lawn. I would go for the timemaster without a doubt if it was good on mulching but after seeing that deck after you did I'm worried I'll have that same issue every time.
+Jesus Quiles Having used both models you're asking about, I would recommend the Honda 217 since you primarily mulch. I mulch almost exclusively as well, and the twin blades on the 217 really pulverize the grass clippings compared to the Timemaster. Engine power is sufficient for thick grass, and it will really only bog down if you're cutting a lot of wet grass off at one time.
If I get a certain account I recently bid on, I will definitely need a new 2019 Timemaster. Will be side discharging and/or collecting for sure considering that the turf is bermuda.
Going to look at a timemaster at the local dealer this weekend. Really considering on getting one for next season! Haven't seen one in person. Hope it's now as heavy and harder to maneuver around unlike the regular mower.
Ryan, great videos and reviews I watch every one. I have very thick tall fescue lawn which I cut with a toro super recycler. I also had a problem with frayed tips so maybe you could look into different blades which are more aerodynamic and produce less wind under the mower. Since you don't mulch reducing the wind speed won't matter. Also, it might not be the best option but you could raise the rpm slightly which could reduce the fraying but that is up to you since it puts premature wear on the motor. Keep up the great videos.
Very good thoughts. I had pretty similar blades on my old machine and didn't seem to have as much of an issue. Maybe I wasn't paying as much attention at that point though, either. RPM is sitting right around 3500 so it should be fine there but I'll check on that.
Ryan, I'm so sorry about the problems of cut quality, straddlers and brown tips on your grass blades. You have mentionned this in an earlier video and I was going to tell you how to solve it but I just forgot to leave a message.
Hi Ryan, how does the Timemaster handle hills? I’m getting ready to buy a new mower and torn between this and the Honda HRX217. I have 6,000 sq’ in my backyard with half of it being a hill. Thoughts?
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care thanks! I think I’m gonna go with the Honda. I live in Georgia and am having to mow twice a week these days. The Honda should be light to get up and down that hill.
Cool video. I respect the precision of your presentation, but it feels like you're reading a script to us... I personally enjoy some personality and humor. Thanks Ryan!
Nice video Ryan. I'm about ready to pull the trigger on one of these in about two weeks and just doing some more final research when I came across your review. I'm not a fan of mulching at all but I wanted to ask a question since you own one and gain your insight. Do you think that you could side discharge and bag simultaneously??? Or would all the clippings automatically get shot out of the discharge chute? I think it would be a nice set up for me if I could get that 50/50 combo to work.
Hey thanks for the quick response. Sorry about the typos in the original post. Have you ever just bagged with the mower and how does it do? I have read that some have problems when bagging such as clumping, clippings shooting out from back of mower as if the bag isn't sealed right. One last question, you mentioned you had owned a previous older model. Between the newer and older model, which one would you prefer to own if you could have either one now?
Bagging has always worked very well for me. It will stuff the bag full. Mine has a small area at the top the sometimes light grass comes out the back side but I think I just need to bend my bag a little bit to fit the opening better. Both worked fine for me. The newer one with a little mower power is nice to have.
Hi Ryan, Pulled the trigger on a new TM back on 6/18. It finally came in last week and I picked it up on 7/11. Have a few questions: 1) when it is shutoff, and you push on the personal pace system, does it lock up and not permit you to move it forward? Mine does. 2) My TM does a lot of clicking when pushing it forward or pulling it backwards, (when it's off) is it supposed to do that? 3) Does yours have a guard immediately behind the blades but under the deck and in front of the rear wheels? Seems like the rock guard most mowers have at the very back, just thought this seems like a weird location. 4) As luck would have it I scuffed the left side of mine on it's initial mow. Not very deep but definitely took the paint off. How would you go about touching this area up? Sorry, not by the mower or I could send over a picture. I'm thinking I caught the corner of my patio concrete slab at just the right angle with the mower since I have a slight slope to the back of patio.
It performs very good I really like it one of the things I had to do was to replace the blade pulleys because they wouldn’t last one day after that it’s been good not good at mulching and do recommend cleaning deck after each cut of grass is even little wet.
I have a small hill which is quite steep, 30 degrees or so. Approx 5 feet high. With a fence at the bottom there is no choice but to cut side ways. My 22 inch super recycle r has no problem but over all the lawn takes more time to cut than is ideal. I have looked at the time master. Hard to say how it would react, dealer even had doubts. Your thoughts having real world experience?
I don't know exactly the degree of my bank but it's fairly steep in the middle part. 30 degrees is probably a little more than mine but I don't feel like I"m ever out of control with the mower. It is obviously bigger than a 21 inch so it is just harder to keep the stripes straight on that part. You could always keep both and have 2 mowers. :)
My grass won't stand up straight when it's that tall. I have bluegrass that's actually supposed to be mowed a little lower so 3.25 is about as tall as I go before it starts to fall over on itself
Hi Ryan, great video, i have a timemaster, the newest one, i just wandered if I should have the rear wheels slightly higher than the front wheels? Or just keep them the same level? I've heard different opinions on this subject, thank you
@@chrishewson40 with the deck angle it just seems to cut better and also allows an "in between" height since you only have so many options on the settings
Well it kind of all depends on whether or not you prefer to mulch the grass all the time or if that's not a huge deal. This version of the Timemaster is a little better mulching than the first version but I still don't think it does as well mulching as the recycler would do. The next thing would be the size of the deck. Personally once I went to the 30 inch deck it's hard to go back to a smaller size. I have a Honda as well that's the traditional smaller deck size and the time savings with the Timemaster are pretty significant. So taking all of that into account, I personally would still choose the Timemaster but hopefully those points gave you a little more info. Good luck!
yes you did thanks, i have about an acre of land minus about 2000 sqft for the house. it also has some hills not sure how steep they are but it is there. i am not sure about the mulching yet but the next question is i guess what kind of grass is at the house cause i might have thinner grass i live in CT
Wonder if the higher displacement lowered the rpms.... lower compression. Maybe engine mods to get those revs up. It's not a go cart but high flow intake exhaust might open it up to cut the grass cleaner? Gas efficiency would most likely decrease though. Possible trade off.
HI, good review on the Timemaster. I almost bought one, but I got a Cut Cadet Sc700e, 4 x4. It seems to mulch well. I wished that I could of have a 30" deck, but most of my yards have steep hills, so I needed 4 x4
Yes the Timemaster on steep hills is probably not its best feature. I have a pretty steep hill in my backyard and it does ok but if I were mowing hills all day long I wouldn't enjoy it too much.
Hey buddy how are you liking the time master. I've gone back n forth with this or the Honda hrx217hya. Anything about the Toro you don't like? Any issues?
I've had one since 2013 and this new model on my second year of use now. So far so good. I cross my fingers since I heard the same things you were reading but personally I love the thing.
I just got the time master. I have a .79 acre lot and mow about .40 acres. I works great and will be pleased with it. The gas tank size is annoying. I cannot mow the whole yard without refueling. I am going to see if I can retrofit the tank off of their commercial Turfmaster.
Hard to explain but the deck is a little wider than the tires so you want to put the tires close to the exact same spot you did your last stripe and let the deck overhang just a bit to make sure everything gets cut.
I have a set of Toro blades and also a set of Oregon brand. Both performed pretty much the same. I'll keep thinking on what else might be going on with that. The look of the cut right after mowing is fantastic. It's just a day or say later when those grass tips dry out.
I have a 2014 model that has given me a world of trouble. It worked great for two years but in 2016 everything started dying. Electric start, motor started sputtering and loss of power. Turned out head gasket blew and is common. Since getting that fixed the muffler rusted and one screw snapped. Have you had any similar problems with your older model? Is it worth it to sell that one for this one?
That's weird. I had my older version for 4 years and didn't have many issues with it. Like anything these days it seems like the manufacturing process isn't always consistent. I can't say whether it would be worth it to sell or not because I've heard issues with the new ones as well although I have 30 hours on mine and it's going strong so far.
One preventative fix is to take any new mower ect and remove all exhaust hardware and get some Never Sieze grease from NAPA and use it on any bolts and hardware you want to be able to service again!
My Craftsman just broke so thinking of getting a new mower. My lawn has thick areas and bumpy areas. SHould i go with Honda or Toro? I would like to be around $500 to $600 range.
Hey Ryan great video as usual. Question... I live in Texas and have Bermuda grass. I've noticed I have a lot of stolons growing in the actual lawn. The house is 2 years old as well as the grass. Any reason why I have so many stolens vs grass that is growing straight out from the dirt? Thanks for any feedback. If you need more info, left me know.
suaverprc to try and help answer your question, the stolons grow horizontal instead of vertical likewise with your Bermuda. When you planted grass seed it is possible that the stolons were already present in the dirt as the come from the general weed rhizomes. Rhizomes grow completely underground so it is had to tell if it is present. Also, these rhizomes are rated as one the invasive species plant wise and could have came in from a third party location such as a neighbors yard or a large area nearby. They do sell herbicides which can reduce the amount of stolons. However, while it may not match the Bermuda as well it is not as much of an eyesore as crabgrass so maybe let the lawn thicken up and then make your decision. Good luck with your lawn.
D Pal1 thanks for your response. This was happening before I ever planted grass seed in certain spots. This was all sod. So I'm trying to figure out why I don't have a good amount of stolons vs vertical growth. I will add that I haven't airrated or thatched.
AJ9 , I demoed the Exmark commercial 30 last week on 5 of my clients yards and I love it. I bagged all the lawns because they're not big. I did try mulching with it and it was great. Today I'll return the demo Exmark 30 and get my own a lot over my budget but worth it $2012 with tax. I did get a Toro timemaster for $750 and after one of my clients medium yard the belt broke and I returned it to Home Depot.
I have 5000 sq ft. Between your review and Lcn. Everything is telling I just got to have a time master. Not sure if it over kill but. I just feel like it is a great mower
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care You know? I just bought the brand new Timemaster yesterday and wanted to let you know that your video convince me of buying it. Thanks man.
Hey Ryan! Great video! I have a Snapper Hi Vac from 2012. I bought it initially because my dad had one from the 80s until 2000. I loved the striping that mower was capable of so I bought one of my own. It does great striping as well! Some challenges I face with it is it leaves small discharge out the left side and it also will leave stragglers uncut and I have to go over the row again sometimes. It also has no capability to mulch which I really want to do. I just saw the timemaster in HD the other day and decided to buy it online. I have a decent size grass yard but no hills and no trees or obstacles. Do you think it was a good decision to purchase this mower? Will I notice a major upgrade? Should I keep the Snapper as a backup or sell it?? Thanks man keep it up!
Absolutely. I still get great stripes at that height. If you have the right equipment baseball fields are cut at around 1 inch and they get great stripes by using rollers. But yes with this machine, taller is a little better for stripes.
I would say it depends on how many turns or small sections you have where you wouldn't be able to alternate patterns. My front and side are around 4k and I would still get it for that if I had the cash.
Hello "Lawn-Community " Under deck, I am talking about the blade area I just wanted to mention that a ceramic coating to the under deck will make your Time master the "perfect" machine. I have a time master, I coated it ...removes the issue that Ryan spoke about ( plus his images of under deck mulch clumping, ~~~yeah that is crazy bad ). I paid for a product that was costly ( it will probably give me 3 years , hands off )... The lower price ceramic coating product; just clean the under deck 2x grass growing season & apply. ( a serious clean, before application ) You will be good to go / G2G ~I mean, RIGHT, good stuff requires effort Heya, thanks for reading......get that under deck squared away.
I run a turfmaster , mulch 100% of the time. You are fileing your blades the wrong direction, File towards the sails not away. Debur the back side (flat with blade) sharpen and then when finished one pass light on the backside for a razor edge. You will get around eight cuts mulching before you need to resharpen. . Also set RPM to 3600. You will not tear grass if those two things are right.
I tried filing the other way all season so far and it didn't make a difference so I did some further reading and others said try the opposite direction. I'll give it another short toward the sails. RPM looked like it was right at 3500 so I'll check on that too. Thanks!
Considering purchasing one of these. Looking on Home Depot and there are two models with a $100 price difference. Any idea what the difference between the 21199 and the 21200? Looking at all the soece i could find and saw no difference to warrant the price difference.
Does anyone else’s Timemaster rev up and down when idling after mowing? Kind of reminds me of when an engine auto chokes at start up. Mine is brand new and I’m trying to determine if this is normal or not.
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care Thanks! Just worries me being a $900+ mower. I’ve never had a blade clutch before as my previous Honda HRX was either on or off only.
I have a cub 33 inch ...very similar to the one you are talking about I know it's not the same but I really like it mine is 2007 model and the newer ones have bigger engines but I don't seem to have and issue with the size of the engine on mine...I really like the idea of the time master but as of right now I like my 33 inch cub cadet better
Thanks for the video. I just bought my first timemaster today and was very surprised by the mower. Lots of power , and cut my yard work time in half or more. Mower can even do wheelies with all the power.
Thank you Ryan.
This is on my list for spring of 2020.
Ryan I watch all of your videos and am starting to trust your judgement on mowers. I bought a timemaster because of what you thought of it.
I appreciate that. I have really loved my Timemaster.
Your yard stands out in your neighborhood! Well done.
Just got my timemaster 2 weeks ago. So far the cut quality is ok. Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Hope you enjoy the mower.
Thanks for the video. I bought mine 2 weeks ago. This machine is bad ass! The price was a bit high but after using it the first time I had no buyers remorse. I’m 6’2 and walk fast. I couldn’t even use it on the fastest setting. Plus like box says, it will save you over 40 percent on time. The mulching on it is perfect. Pull the trigger and buy one.
I still love mine every time I use it
Purchased an older timemaster today. Had to jump on it quick. After watching 8 of them for the last month deciding on which to buy, all 8 were sold around the same time last week. If you love in the midwest, dont shop the last week of february. Too much competition. I was lucky to find one more at a pawn shop.
I PURCHASED THE EXMARK MODEL FOR HOMEOWNER USE:
I bought the 30" Exmark in the Spring of 2017. It was the most recent updated version of the 30" walk behind. I have Bermuda grass and not a huge yard to mow. I wanted a great cutting mower and one that saved a bit of time compared to a 22" homeowner mower sold everywhere in town. I had a 22" Toro self-pace prior to this purchase. No comparison.
This Exmark is the real deal. It cuts beautifully, has a strong Kawasaki engine and those older issues of transmissions and belt stretching haven't been any issues with this newest model. I was cutting my lawn at 3" height last year (2017) and it handled it like nobody's business. The only time I had clippings on the grass is when the bag was filled to the max.
Exmark has a better and larger catch bag than previous model years. I will mention that you need to open the belt/pulley door guard occasionally to clean out any clippings that have accumulated inside there. Allowing this to build up in there over time may result in belt or pulley wear faster than normal. Operator type daily/weekly maintenance should be done anyway so don't forget this location.
I have started my 2nd season with this yard beast and it's working flawlessly and is making my yard look way better than the neighbors who are using lawn care companies that use Walkers etc to mow their yard with nowhere near the finish results I'm achieving. I cross cut the lawn so it stripes it and they've told the Walker operators to cut their lawns at an angle or cross pattern and still can't compete.
I highly recommend this newer version of the Exmark 30" walk behind for your lawn mowing needs. My lawn looks like a green at the golf course and the even cut this mower provides make your lawn so smooth and even like it's a rug and not grass. Proper lawn care aids in the look as well.
I hope this helps out.
I've heard great things about the Exmark as well. Thanks for sharing.
Very very nice review and I really have to mention how informative and professional they are. I own the first model Time Master and was looking for information on the new one. Now I feel so much more informed and comfortable to purchase the new model. Tank You
You're welcome. Glad I could help!
Would the TimeMaster still be a good choice for a hilly lawn? Does it leave many clumps?
Love the aerial shots! Looks like an oasis in the desert
I have had many issues with my 2016 Toro 30 in TimeMaster. It NEVER starts hot. There was a recall to change the crummy paper fuel filter, but i solved that design flaw, where the fuel feed is only 1/2 in drop from the tank outlet to Briggs 120000 series engine carb. I lashed on my Honda GCV190 Tank and a nice long hose, with a Disc filter and Shutoff valve from Home Depot. The Briggs recall is to install a metal HEAT SHIELD between the cyl head and float bowl, to fix hot restarting. I often do better than that, just get some silver foil faced R-MAX foam insulation, maybe cut 3x5in,, smash a recess to fit behind the float bowl with a small hammer, and shove it in place above the black plastic belt guard cover. surfaces, that worked for a few years,then needed to cool things down with Starting fluid or Gumout to restart hot. I then replaced the carbs several times with the inexpensive ones on Amazon. Worked a little better than Briggs OEM. FINALLY, I did replace the Magneto coil and shutoff switch, but yesterday PROVED THE NEW ONE IS INTERMITTENT. Got an adjustable Spark Tester, set for 10KV gap or larger - NO OUTPUT!!!!!!!!!!! Then I took the old one, sanded the pole pieces and TAPED the entire HV lead with 3M Electrical tape, and split the plastic insulator sleeve from my new Spark Tester, covering the CHAFED section where the muffler heatshield abradedi it. BINGO, it finally started! I then checked the Compression cold, but forgot to open the throttle plate - it read almost 30lbs. We also replaced the crummy HEAD GASKET again, with the 2nd gasket in the $42 Amazon kit, which HAS A NICE METAL fire ring, but is for the 223CC Upgraded engine all the Yard Service guys pay $500 new, to finally fix the underpowered temperamental 190. I found the old gasket BLEW OUT near the Exhaust side, a second time, vapor from all my Starting Fluid was coming out. Another telltale sign was the 4 head bolts were NOT TIGHT. I should have retourqued to the 125 in-lbs spec AGAIN after a month.
Since 70lbs seems to be the spec for these 190CC motors, I WILL be buying a new Piston, Rings, and Wrist pin set, and the 2 different length Rod bolts to raise the crummy 30lbs that is causing stalling issues. And my friend set the VALVE clearances ay 0.006in, AFTER INSTALLING THE NEW thicker gasket. It starts if I put the choke rod in, but soon I fave to remove it, and flip the choke spring 180 degrees over, to the main governor spring post, r it will bog down too rich! When I get anther $500 saved up, I am going to Toro Menders in ATL to buy a replacement 223CC engine, and a new DECK for another $100. Final note, there is a Hi Lift Blade kit, including a new front V shaped shield that bolts in with the front wheels assy - critically IMPORTANT, IT USED TO just fill the chute with grass. ------------- for the past 8 years it will FILL the bag with even wet grass- My thoughts, nothing else is safe on my sloped back yard, and at 150lbs for me, I can easily handle this 135lb mower. Just skip the $200 more Electric Start option, because it will be clunkier to use there. Just my thoughts after 8 years of Time Master troubles. And I replaced many broken cables, worn bearings, and belts Fyi, Hilary in GA
How is the mower holding up? Does it still fray the grass tips? Have you had any issues with the transmission or engine?
Do you think the difference in engine power between the old and new is super noticeable?? Thabks
If you are having Fraying issues, make sure the deck is completely clean underneath, cut a little slower. You can even do half width cuts, that way you insure you double cut each blade. Cutting wet grass, morning dew and dull blades are usually the cause, but cutting slower can really help. If your grass is really, really healthy it could be fighting back a little and almost becoming cut resistant.
I use the craftsman professional series 28” mower. Very nice. Wanted to mention this because it seems like a little bit of competition
I appreciate your honest review, I've been wondering about the TimeMaster for awhile. Just subscribed to the channel. Loving it!
Thank you for this video. I’m trying to decide on buying a 2013 TM in great condition for $500 with extras vs a new 2017 TM. I’ve watched a few videos with mixed reviews on the older TM. But your video has helped.
I loved both of mine so I think either one is a good option!
I know this video is old but I think the cut quality you mentioned is a result of a smaller blade length. There is less mass being spun, and a longer blade will have more area to move per RPM. This would explain the "RPM" being good, and the blade being sharp, yet the tips are turning brown.
I have about 6500 sq feet of lawn. Is it worth getting the time master or better to stick with 22 inch recycler?
Hows this one been? My 2014 mower just bit the dust, no compression. I've spent money on it every year to keep it running. This Mower is a dud. Now I need to get another engine for it. Going with the upgraded one on the newer models. Ryan did you notice a power difference with the newer one?
Great honest review. I really enjoy your channel, thanks for all the information you share!!
No problem!
Hi Ryan,
How does the noise level of the 223 cc mower compare to the older model? Thanks.
Time master is fitted with high lift blades for catching n side discharge, for better mulching results fitting more dedicated mulching blades and sooner cuts to mulch less grass. As for the cut miss or torn cut finish try change your forward cutting speed as in slow down or fit a quad blade system.
Thanks for the info. I tried mowing at a snails pace but didn't see much difference there either. I would consider my grass extreme thickness so that still plays a part.
I know this is an old vid but I was researching this mower as I’ve been interested in a possible used one as I haven’t found any in my area. Do you still use yours at all and are you still happy with it after several years? I haven’t seen you use in in recent vids
Ryan can one side discharge long grass,then do another pass but mulch the grass clippings?
The deck on that mower is not shaped for mulching and as you say, your grass is so thick that mulching might be a problem even with the best mulching mower on the market, but again that humidity content of the grass blades is also not helping. Try to mow after 4H00-5H00 PM but before dew starts forming in the evening that also helps
Great video. You mentioned the grass tips turning brown on occasion. I have an Scotts 2046 riding mower and the manual states that if the plane that the blade rotates is not 1/4 to 3/8 inch lower in the front than at the back, the blade may be cutting (striking) the grass blades twice resulting in tips turning brown. Never tried to test this before, but would be simple to do with a push mower having independent front/back height adjustments.
I often set the back end of the timemaster higher than the front. So I'll keep that in mind and pay close attention next summer when I typically see the most damage because of the heat.
I know this is older but here is my question...I have a large lawn with Bermuda tif419. I currently use a Toro Recycler and was considering the Timemaster but I’m big on mulching so would the Toro Super Recycler. Thanks
have you had any transmision problems?
How does it climb hills? I have short but steep hills in my yard.
Appreciate this one. Finally a good review on this bad boy.
Thanks for watching!
Does it Clump up and wet High Grass cuz I wanted to use it for Moen other people's yards and you kind of have to go mow when they call you... Do you have any idea about the clumping or is it strong enough to overcome that thanks
Excellent video. I loved the drone footage. I'm in the market for a new mower and this gives me another option to think about. Thank you.
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Just picked up a really nice used one at a great price! Only used it once so far but really like it! With my old super recycler I had to overlap my previous pass a little to cut all of the grass. Do you have to do that on your timemaster? It seems like you go right over the wheel tracks. I feel like the wheel tracks wouldn’t get cut this way.
Ryan, I have this exact mower. My yard has gotten so thick that I’m having trouble mulching which I do 99% of the time. Usually only bag the 1st and last mow of the season. I also mow on the tallest setting. I’m having to mow my yard 2 and 3 times to help break up the clumps from the first pass. I’m also noticing the “ripped” tips of my grass. I thought I needed to change the blades out but upon inspection they were good to go. Thinking about ordering a pair of the gator mulching blades on the recommendation of my dealer. I’m seriously to the point if I can’t mow my grass tall and have it thick I’m going to purchase the Honda HRX217HYA. Based off what I’ve read the Honda is a beast when it comes to mulching. I’m going to miss the personal pace for sure though. What are your thoughts? Have to had ant better luck? Thanks in advance!!!
Blades have to be super sharp and one trick that seems to work for me is back of the deck one notch higher than the front. Doesn't completely remedy the grass tips but it seems to help. I don't mulch with mine. I just mow as often as I need to side discharge so I'm never putting too large of clippings on the grass. Works fantastic this way but if you're dead set on mulching, then Honda is probably the better choice.
Love the videos! Have you considered buying a inexpensive belt sander for sharpening your blades? It's the only way I sharpen blades now and it does a great job.
That would be an option. I have used angle grinder in the past. I just like that I can be a little more particular with my file and maintain a better angle.
Great vids. Where in the midwest are you? I'm in the Northwest Burbs of Chicago and I've been trying to get my lawn up to par, but this is my first home so I'm struggling a bit. Wondering how closely I can follow your routine.
I'm in central iowa. Should be about the same kind of schedule as Chicago.
Good Video. I am researching mowers. i will buy a Toro. Just deciding whether a Time-saver is worth the money over the Super Recycler. I also have a very thick lawn and mulching was one thing I felt this would be good for (2 dogs and do not like clippings all over hteier feet). I am reading about cable and belt concerns and now your video states it doesn't mulch very well? I am leaning back towards my Toro Stand-by....the 22" cut.
It also depends a little on your grass type. The wider bladed grasses (tall fescue, st aug) seem to do ok with this on mulching from what I've seen from others. My thin bladed kentucky bluegrass is extremely thick and that's a lot to cut through and also try to continuously cut those clippings as they swirl around in the deck a little tougher to do. The side discharge cut quality on this mower is very good and as long as you're mowing often enough, the clippings are very small and similar to mulching. Just my 2 cents.
Ryan, big fan of your videos. Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Really appreciate you taking the time to check them out.
So you like the old model a little better? Just curious. I picked the old model up a few months ago on Facebook marketplace I’m hoping it does a great job!
I never had an issue with the old one but I definitely like the additional power of the newer one
Hey Ryan. You mentioned that the TM30 is about the only choice out there that's a wide cut but with a traditional walk-behind design and not at a commercial price, but that's not true. What do you think about the trio of MTD mowers that are 28"? Craftsman, Troybilt, and Cub Cadet with their copy-cat self-pace system.
I've actually watched the reviews carefully and have actually handled one in a store; and my thoughts are that: (1) It's great that another manufacturer is entering this space to maybe push it along and perfect some of the weaknesses of the product and put price pressure for more value, as I'd love to see the wide mowers take off with many brands and styles offered; (2) it's great also that MTD provides options for customers to get this wider cut now (though 2" less than the TimeMaster) for $150-$200 less than the TM30; (3) It's possible that this deck may have a little better mulching performance with a deeper deck, but I can't really ascertain it's performance versus Toro since there are so few reviews on them and I've seen a complaint or two about clumping under the deck also with the MTD's, so I'm not sure if it's better; added to that, the new 223 cc TM30 seems to have less power complaints; (4) I like the concept of the engine oil drain plug with a tube, but find that tipping the TM30 is not really as big a deal as many make it out to be; (5) I like the concept of the single cut height adjustment lever; but that my excitement is tempered by the fact that: (6) I'm not sure about this "self-stride" system as compared to the TimeMaster Personal Pace. You actually push downward instead of forward for the self pacing system, and while users tend to like it overall, it doesn't seem nearly as good just watching people navigate in the few videos I've seen; very slow by comparison (7) It looks like from the few honest reviews I can find and watching videos that the MTDs do not have near the speed of the TM30 and that would be a real deal buster for me as sometimes I'll walk behind at full TM30 speed; (8) even though I rarely bag, but sometimes I have to in September in the thickest part of my yard, and I do also bag for fall clean up occasionally. So as a convertible bag cutting machine, I absolutely hate the bagging system of the MTD as compared to the TM30; (9) Even though no reviewer mentions it, part of what makes the TM30 such a great alternative is it's compactness as a mower despite it's very wide cut, and how the front wheels really don't stick out very far beyond the deck (some front drive 21s stick out more); I've measured 8" from the front of the deck to the front wheel tips; and so this is what makes the TM30 operate and navigate and maneuver much like any 21-22 inch mower; but that the MTD has this cockeyed deck on it where it looks as thought the left front wheel is maybe around 10" distance from the front of the deck and the right wheel is probably 13-14 inches from the front of the deck to the front wheel tip. Also, the total length from handle end to the front, due to the offset deck, must be considerably longer than the TM30, and that may be better for helping it stay planted over bumps better than TM30, and it's possible that it may help it perform as a better mulching mower; but that longer machine would be too big of a trade off for me and what the TM30 provides.
What I'd really love to see but don't expect it to occur due to what is currently popular by homeowners, is a wide cut mower that's traditional style but that's set up first as a side discharger and then mulching and/or bagging as an afterthought instead of the other way around. A good example of this is the World Lawn 32 commercial mower. It has a very large flip up chute and a very wide side opening which unleashes the power of a 10 hp B&S engine (not 10 ft-lb, but 10 hp). The MTDs and the TM30 were designed primarily with mulching in mind with their set ups with that plate down and a clip on chute, and that's ironic with respect to the TM30, because it's a poor mulching mower for many yards around the country but makes a very formidable side discharger and bagger. If instead, however, the TM30 had a larger side opening and a flip up, flip down chute like that World Lawn mower has, which allows one to flip it up for more spreading of clippings and flip down for more directional blowing; instead of a cheesy little chute that falls off whenever one rubs against the ground pulling backward, and a chute that helps promote clogging up of the side opening in thick grass; then that would be my mower. The problem with the World Lawn 32 is that it is not low profile like the TM30 and the MTD 28s; and it uses those commercial-type levers. So in essence it's not the same kind of mower that's good for regular mowing and trimming. So what I'd like to see are different options of the TM30. A version that is side discharge first and foremost mower that would turn this mower into a beast and much more usable and more powerful as a side discharger. Currently, I'm storing and hauling my chute with me as I mow clipping it to a bungie strap across the handle and also bungie strapping my mulching plate up, but when I get near fences and structures, I have to stop and mount the chute. I also have to mount the chute to blow off the driveway. But if the TM30 had a system for a chute like the commercial mowers have, going chute up, chute down would be easy. There is one video on here where a commercial mower who mows only small yards uses the TM30. He has 2 bungie cords clipped together and a drilled hole in the mulch plate. He has a system where he can simply reach and grab the bungie and clip at two different spots allowing for up and down operation. But the problem with that method is that if I try to lower my mulch plate in my back yard; it will almost immediately clump up and I can't mow. So my solution is using the supplied chute, but then that's sort of a hassle. And keep in mind, I'm already mowing my back yard every 4 days, and have to do so no matter what kind of mower I use, and still the supplied chute clogs up the side opening and I can use it only for limited distances like near fences and structures so that I don't blow dead grass all over everything.
Nice video Ryan. I'm in the market looking into getting something bigger now that my grass is thick and I'm having trouble mulching with my 160cc motor. I mulch 90% percent of the time, would you recommend the timemaster or the Honda 217 with its micro blade technology? I just want a strong mower and a good mulch cut quality. Thanks!
I haven't used a 217 personally. I've heard good things. I have heard the super recycler from Toro are good for mulching.
I happen to purchase this mower in the spring. Overall I agree with you on all of your points of the review. I am selling it with only 5 hours on the engine. I won a zero turn shortly after buying it, so no need for two. I can deliver within an hour of Sioux Falls, SD. $950
ryanknorr Yeah I've heard the same thing, the LCN use to use the super recycler before and it seemed to do great with his lawn. The issue with my yard is that theirs slope to it and I heard it's not that good on hills? I also know that it's a 160cc motor as well and idk if that's strong enough for my thick lawn. I would go for the timemaster without a doubt if it was good on mulching but after seeing that deck after you did I'm worried I'll have that same issue every time.
+Jesus Quiles Having used both models you're asking about, I would recommend the Honda 217 since you primarily mulch.
I mulch almost exclusively as well, and the twin blades on the 217 really pulverize the grass clippings compared to the Timemaster. Engine power is sufficient for thick grass, and it will really only bog down if you're cutting a lot of wet grass off at one time.
Robert Torres thank you for the feedback, can't wait to get my hands on this mower!
how do you compare this with your Honda mower, my neighbor has a Honda and I think the Honda is the way to go
Way better than Honda. I have one as well
If I get a certain account I recently bid on, I will definitely need a new 2019 Timemaster. Will be side discharging and/or collecting for sure considering that the turf is bermuda.
Going to look at a timemaster at the local dealer this weekend. Really considering on getting one for next season! Haven't seen one in person. Hope it's now as heavy and harder to maneuver around unlike the regular mower.
I no issues maneuvering mine at all. Unless you're going up and down hills constantly it feels very similar to using a smaller push mower.
Ryan, great videos and reviews I watch every one. I have very thick tall fescue lawn which I cut with a toro super recycler. I also had a problem with frayed tips so maybe you could look into different blades which are more aerodynamic and produce less wind under the mower. Since you don't mulch reducing the wind speed won't matter. Also, it might not be the best option but you could raise the rpm slightly which could reduce the fraying but that is up to you since it puts premature wear on the motor. Keep up the great videos.
Very good thoughts. I had pretty similar blades on my old machine and didn't seem to have as much of an issue. Maybe I wasn't paying as much attention at that point though, either. RPM is sitting right around 3500 so it should be fine there but I'll check on that.
Ryan, I'm so sorry about the problems of cut quality, straddlers and brown tips on your grass blades. You have mentionned this in an earlier video and I was going to tell you how to solve it but I just forgot to leave a message.
Trying filing your blades in the other direction
Hi Ryan, how does the Timemaster handle hills? I’m getting ready to buy a new mower and torn between this and the Honda HRX217. I have 6,000 sq’ in my backyard with half of it being a hill. Thoughts?
I have a steep hill and it's doable but not always the most fun. I think mowing anything on a hill is just a pain but it has plenty of power
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care thanks! I think I’m gonna go with the Honda. I live in Georgia and am having to mow twice a week these days. The Honda should be light to get up and down that hill.
Cool video. I respect the precision of your presentation, but it feels like you're reading a script to us... I personally enjoy some personality and humor. Thanks Ryan!
Hi Ryan I just bought a used 190cc for a few customers that dont like the big equipment on there lawns do they make high lift blades for this model?
They are high lift mulching style. I have not been able to find anything different but these work well - amzn.to/2Ty9BD3
Nice video Ryan. I'm about ready to pull the trigger on one of these in about two weeks and just doing some more final research when I came across your review. I'm not a fan of mulching at all but I wanted to ask a question since you own one and gain your insight.
Do you think that you could side discharge and bag simultaneously??? Or would all the clippings automatically get shot out of the discharge chute? I think it would be a nice set up for me if I could get that 50/50 combo to work.
I've done it but there's not much that ends up in the bag.
Hey thanks for the quick response. Sorry about the typos in the original post. Have you ever just bagged with the mower and how does it do? I have read that some have problems when bagging such as clumping, clippings shooting out from back of mower as if the bag isn't sealed right.
One last question, you mentioned you had owned a previous older model. Between the newer and older model, which one would you prefer to own if you could have either one now?
Bagging has always worked very well for me. It will stuff the bag full. Mine has a small area at the top the sometimes light grass comes out the back side but I think I just need to bend my bag a little bit to fit the opening better. Both worked fine for me. The newer one with a little mower power is nice to have.
Hi Ryan,
Pulled the trigger on a new TM back on 6/18. It finally came in last week and I picked it up on 7/11. Have a few questions:
1) when it is shutoff, and you push on the personal pace system, does it lock up and not permit you to move it forward? Mine does.
2) My TM does a lot of clicking when pushing it forward or pulling it backwards, (when it's off) is it supposed to do that?
3) Does yours have a guard immediately behind the blades but under the deck and in front of the rear wheels? Seems like the rock guard most mowers have at the very back, just thought this seems like a weird location.
4) As luck would have it I scuffed the left side of mine on it's initial mow. Not very deep but definitely took the paint off. How would you go about touching this area up? Sorry, not by the mower or I could send over a picture. I'm thinking I caught the corner of my patio concrete slab at just the right angle with the mower since I have a slight slope to the back of patio.
I found one of the older 190cc at an auction anything I should look for? can’t wait to try it out, got it for 70 bucks
I just bought one of the older models too. Any update how did it perform?
It performs very good I really like it one of the things I had to do was to replace the blade pulleys because they wouldn’t last one day after that it’s been good not good at mulching and do recommend cleaning deck after each cut of grass is even little wet.
I have a small hill which is quite steep, 30 degrees or so. Approx 5 feet high. With a fence at the bottom there is no choice but to cut side ways. My 22 inch super recycle r has no problem but over all the lawn takes more time to cut than is ideal. I have looked at the time master. Hard to say how it would react, dealer even had doubts. Your thoughts having real world experience?
I don't know exactly the degree of my bank but it's fairly steep in the middle part. 30 degrees is probably a little more than mine but I don't feel like I"m ever out of control with the mower. It is obviously bigger than a 21 inch so it is just harder to keep the stripes straight on that part. You could always keep both and have 2 mowers. :)
Try cutting on the highest setting I currently do and have no issues yes you have to cut a little more frequently but it looks really good!
Highest as in like over 4 inches?
I have mine set to A and I have no frayed tips it comes out perfect.
My grass won't stand up straight when it's that tall. I have bluegrass that's actually supposed to be mowed a little lower so 3.25 is about as tall as I go before it starts to fall over on itself
Hey Ryan I use a toro all wheel drive mower 22” walk behind mower
What about the transmission? I've heard so many bad reviews about it going bad alot? Any thoughts?
I've never had any issues..I've owned one since 2013
May purchase 30 inch next spring?
Hi Ryan, great video, i have a timemaster, the newest one, i just wandered if I should have the rear wheels slightly higher than the front wheels? Or just keep them the same level? I've heard different opinions on this subject, thank you
I usually cut with the back one notch higher
@@ryanknorrlawncare please can i ask why and what does this do.?
@@chrishewson40 with the deck angle it just seems to cut better and also allows an "in between" height since you only have so many options on the settings
I have a question if you had a choice between this and the super recycler what would you choose and why
Well it kind of all depends on whether or not you prefer to mulch the grass all the time or if that's not a huge deal. This version of the Timemaster is a little better mulching than the first version but I still don't think it does as well mulching as the recycler would do. The next thing would be the size of the deck. Personally once I went to the 30 inch deck it's hard to go back to a smaller size. I have a Honda as well that's the traditional smaller deck size and the time savings with the Timemaster are pretty significant. So taking all of that into account, I personally would still choose the Timemaster but hopefully those points gave you a little more info. Good luck!
yes you did thanks, i have about an acre of land minus about 2000 sqft for the house. it also has some hills not sure how steep they are but it is there. i am not sure about the mulching yet but the next question is i guess what kind of grass is at the house cause i might have thinner grass i live in CT
Hi Ryan I use a toro all wheel drive and I’m thinking of getting the Toro timemaster
What year is your timemaster And how do you like it
I really enjoy mine. It is 2 years old now I believe.
Ok Ryan well I’m going be getting a. Toro timemaster this year
Wonder if the higher displacement lowered the rpms.... lower compression. Maybe engine mods to get those revs up. It's not a go cart but high flow intake exhaust might open it up to cut the grass cleaner? Gas efficiency would most likely decrease though. Possible trade off.
All interesting info. I am still trying to sort it out.
HI, good review on the Timemaster. I almost bought one, but I got a Cut Cadet Sc700e, 4 x4. It seems to mulch well. I wished that I could of have a 30" deck, but most of my yards have steep hills, so I needed 4 x4
Yes the Timemaster on steep hills is probably not its best feature. I have a pretty steep hill in my backyard and it does ok but if I were mowing hills all day long I wouldn't enjoy it too much.
Hey buddy how are you liking the time master. I've gone back n forth with this or the Honda hrx217hya. Anything about the Toro you don't like? Any issues?
Still love the machine. I have no had issues with mine and overall nothing significant comes to mind that I don't like about it.
@@ryanknorrlawncare have you used a Honda hrx217hya by any chance to compare. How do you get lawn to be thick
Have you had any problems with you newer model timemaster? I want one but I’m reading reviews on how they are notorious for issues etc.
I've had one since 2013 and this new model on my second year of use now. So far so good. I cross my fingers since I heard the same things you were reading but personally I love the thing.
My Yard size is just about 1/2 acre of grass. Would you recommend the time master for this size yard? Thanks!
I'd say if the yard is fairly flat then that wouldn't be too bad.
thanks for the reply. Yep flat and KY blue grass! can't wait to upgrade mowers
I just got the time master. I have a .79 acre lot and mow about .40 acres. I works great and will be pleased with it. The gas tank size is annoying. I cannot mow the whole yard without refueling. I am going to see if I can retrofit the tank off of their commercial Turfmaster.
How much do you overlap when stripping? In other words where do you place the wheels next to or on the previous stripe?
Hard to explain but the deck is a little wider than the tires so you want to put the tires close to the exact same spot you did your last stripe and let the deck overhang just a bit to make sure everything gets cut.
thanks man. I’m finding when I overlap the tires in the same grooves it pushes the grass down and this doesn’t cut it as well. I’ll have to experiment
After almost a year in, did you get to the bottom of the frayed grass tip issue?
Basically just keep the blades are sharp as possible and I think for mine cutting with the back one notch higher than the front has helped.
The cut quality and fuel economy sounds frustrating. Do you think you might try different blades, or what other ideas do you have to improve the cut?
I have a set of Toro blades and also a set of Oregon brand. Both performed pretty much the same. I'll keep thinking on what else might be going on with that. The look of the cut right after mowing is fantastic. It's just a day or say later when those grass tips dry out.
Have you looked at the cub cadet cc600?
I have a 2014 model that has given me a world of trouble. It worked great for two years but in 2016 everything started dying. Electric start, motor started sputtering and loss of power. Turned out head gasket blew and is common. Since getting that fixed the muffler rusted and one screw snapped.
Have you had any similar problems with your older model? Is it worth it to sell that one for this one?
That's weird. I had my older version for 4 years and didn't have many issues with it. Like anything these days it seems like the manufacturing process isn't always consistent. I can't say whether it would be worth it to sell or not because I've heard issues with the new ones as well although I have 30 hours on mine and it's going strong so far.
ryanknorr gotcha. What complaints have you heard about the 2017 model?
A lot of early reviews said motor issues. I haven't looked lately on if they made any changes.
One preventative fix is to take any new mower ect and remove all exhaust hardware and get some Never Sieze grease from NAPA and use it on any bolts and hardware you want to be able to service again!
My Craftsman just broke so thinking of getting a new mower. My lawn has thick areas and bumpy areas. SHould i go with Honda or Toro? I would like to be around $500 to $600 range.
Either one will be totally fine...I like the Toro self propelled system better
@@ryanknorrlawncare Thx
Hey ryan! Just purchased this same mower, what deck setting do you run on? C?
Usually C in the summer and D in the spring/fall. Enjoy the mower!
ryanknorr ... thanks! Love the videos, and am glad you convinced me to sale me husqvarna 22" for this machine.
Great review. What are the heights for the Toro timemaster?
1.25" - 4.25"
I am still using the old model, the only issue I have is the V belt. It is my 4th belt.
I think I only went through 1 belt so I must have been lucky.
Hey Ryan great video as usual. Question... I live in Texas and have Bermuda grass. I've noticed I have a lot of stolons growing in the actual lawn. The house is 2 years old as well as the grass. Any reason why I have so many stolens vs grass that is growing straight out from the dirt? Thanks for any feedback. If you need more info, left me know.
suaverprc to try and help answer your question, the stolons grow horizontal instead of vertical likewise with your Bermuda. When you planted grass seed it is possible that the stolons were already present in the dirt as the come from the general weed rhizomes. Rhizomes grow completely underground so it is had to tell if it is present. Also, these rhizomes are rated as one the invasive species plant wise and could have came in from a third party location such as a neighbors yard or a large area nearby. They do sell herbicides which can reduce the amount of stolons. However, while it may not match the Bermuda as well it is not as much of an eyesore as crabgrass so maybe let the lawn thicken up and then make your decision. Good luck with your lawn.
I wish I could tell you but I really don't know much at all about Bermuda. I'm hoping someone else can chime in and give you an answer.
D Pal1 thanks for your response. This was happening before I ever planted grass seed in certain spots. This was all sod. So I'm trying to figure out why I don't have a good amount of stolons vs vertical growth. I will add that I haven't airrated or thatched.
If I was too move some of the grass around, there would be dirt exposed vs grass coming out from the ground
D Pal1 also, are you saying that stolons are separate from the Bermuda? Should I rip them out or let them fill in?
Great review Ryan, thanks.
Thank you for watching!
If leaving bad grass ends... raise your machine up to 4 or 4 1/4, May take care of it. Should also make lawn look healthier also!!
Ryan I’m thinking about purchasing this mower to do 15-20 yards per week.do you think it will hold up ?
I wish I could give you an answer but I just can't say for sure since I don't have experience using it that much per week.
Did you end up buying the mower? Did it hold up?
AJ9 , I demoed the Exmark commercial 30 last week on 5 of my clients yards and I love it. I bagged all the lawns because they're not big. I did try mulching with it and it was great. Today I'll return the demo Exmark 30 and get my own a lot over my budget but worth it $2012 with tax. I did get a Toro timemaster for $750 and after one of my clients medium yard the belt broke and I returned it to Home Depot.
I have 5000 sq ft. Between your review and Lcn. Everything is telling I just got to have a time master. Not sure if it over kill but. I just feel like it is a great mower
I have enjoyed mine very much. You could also look for a good used one to see what you think.
Looking good!
What is the hig u can go
What's up Ryan. How much did you sell your old timemaster for? Just wondering. Thanks.
If I remember correctly it was around $600
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care You know? I just bought the brand new Timemaster yesterday and wanted to let you know that your video convince me of buying it. Thanks man.
Glad I could help!
Hey Ryan! Great video! I have a Snapper Hi Vac from 2012. I bought it initially because my dad had one from the 80s until 2000. I loved the striping that mower was capable of so I bought one of my own. It does great striping as well! Some challenges I face with it is it leaves small discharge out the left side and it also will leave stragglers uncut and I have to go over the row again sometimes. It also has no capability to mulch which I really want to do. I just saw the timemaster in HD the other day and decided to buy it online. I have a decent size grass yard but no hills and no trees or obstacles. Do you think it was a good decision to purchase this mower? Will I notice a major upgrade? Should I keep the Snapper as a backup or sell it?? Thanks man keep it up!
I always like to have a backup just for the fact that it can come in handy from time to time. Otherwise I think you'll enjoy the timemaster.
Wow that is one whale of a deck putting out a great looking stripe!
Striping is great with this machine.
Lookin Good!😎
What mower deck height are you cutting at. I believe they are letters. Thx dave G
Fall usually D which is 2.75 and summer on C which is 3.25
ryanknorr thx alot
ryanknorr oh one more thing. Can or will your lawn still strip at 2.75 inches.
Absolutely. I still get great stripes at that height. If you have the right equipment baseball fields are cut at around 1 inch and they get great stripes by using rollers. But yes with this machine, taller is a little better for stripes.
ryanknorr thankyou Ryan. Pretty cool you respond to people. Some RUclips people don't respond. Thx again.
Would you say this is too much mower for a 6000 sq ft lawn?
I would say it depends on how many turns or small sections you have where you wouldn't be able to alternate patterns. My front and side are around 4k and I would still get it for that if I had the cash.
Would it be worth buying a used one that’s a 2017 model for 500?
The 45 min run time is almost a dealbreaker for a machine called “Timemaster”. My Honda HRX takes longer, but runs for 90 min.
Its almost the same thing if time master is cutting in 45min to finish your yard vs your 90min run time lol Just a thought...
Hello "Lawn-Community "
Under deck, I am talking about the blade area
I just wanted to mention that a ceramic coating to the under deck will make your Time master the "perfect" machine.
I have a time master, I coated it ...removes the issue that Ryan spoke about ( plus his images of under deck mulch clumping, ~~~yeah that is crazy bad ).
I paid for a product that was costly ( it will probably give me 3 years , hands off )...
The lower price ceramic coating product; just clean the under deck 2x grass growing season & apply.
( a serious clean, before application )
You will be good to go / G2G
~I mean, RIGHT, good stuff requires effort
Heya, thanks for reading......get that under deck squared away.
I run a turfmaster , mulch 100% of the time. You are fileing your blades the wrong direction, File towards the sails not away. Debur the back side (flat with blade) sharpen and then when finished one pass light on the backside for a razor edge. You will get around eight cuts mulching before you need to resharpen. . Also set RPM to 3600. You will not tear grass if those two things are right.
I tried filing the other way all season so far and it didn't make a difference so I did some further reading and others said try the opposite direction. I'll give it another short toward the sails. RPM looked like it was right at 3500 so I'll check on that too. Thanks!
3600 when the blades are running or on idle without blades running?
with blades on.
How does the time master hold up with your lawns? How many per week?
Considering purchasing one of these. Looking on Home Depot and there are two models with a $100 price difference. Any idea what the difference between the 21199 and the 21200? Looking at all the soece i could find and saw no difference to warrant the price difference.
One is electric start.
There it is. I missed thst going back and forth between the spec pages. I thought i saw both with electric start. Not sure it's worth it.
In my opinion, it's not needed.
Can you tell me the drone you use?
Phantom 3 Pro. Link is in the description if you want to see more about it.
Did you paint your wheels?
Yes I used plasti-dip - There's a video about it on my channel as well
@@ryanknorrlawncare ah ok thanks!
Does anyone else’s Timemaster rev up and down when idling after mowing? Kind of reminds me of when an engine auto chokes at start up. Mine is brand new and I’m trying to determine if this is normal or not.
Yes mine does that sometimes...once I engage the blade it seems to smooth out with no issues.
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care Thanks! Just worries me being a $900+ mower. I’ve never had a blade clutch before as my previous Honda HRX was either on or off only.
@@DewDrinker87 yeah I hear ya. I've never had any issue because of it that I can tell and with the 3 year warranty I don't fret too much.
Ryan Knorr Lawn Care Oh and regarding your cut quality discussion in this video, have you tried the high lift blades?
@@DewDrinker87 the ones it comes with are high lift and I found the rear deck one notch higher than the front seems to help.
How'd you get the rims black
More info here: ruclips.net/video/TFAwWzSixNM/видео.html
Try the Cub Cadet
Cub cadet makes a similar mower in 32" I believe.
Yes they do. It's more of a walk behind style than a push mower but that would be an option to check out.
Anyone have experience with the 28" Troy-Bilt / Craftsman or the Cub Cadet with front casters?
I really wish I could get my hands on one of those 28 inch mowers you mentioned to compare to the timemaster.
I have a cub 33 inch ...very similar to the one you are talking about I know it's not the same but I really like it mine is 2007 model and the newer ones have bigger engines but I don't seem to have and issue with the size of the engine on mine...I really like the idea of the time master but as of right now I like my 33 inch cub cadet better