The tragic destiny of Mileva Marić Einstein
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The tragic destiny of Mileva Marić Einstein
Pauline Gagnon
CERN
Physics Colloquium 2017-09-28
What were Albert Einstein's first wife’s contributions to his extraordinary productivity in the first years of his career? A first biography of Mileva Marić was published in Serbian in 1969 but remained largely unknown despite being translated first in German, then in French in the 1990’s. The publication of Mileva and Albert’s love letters in 1987 brought more information and more recently, two publications shed more light on Mileva Marić’s life and work. I will review this evidence in its social and historical context to give a better idea on her contributions. The audience will be able to appreciate why such a talented physicist has been so unkindly treated by history.
Leave it to a man to take his wife for granted and never truly appreciate her worth. He took full credit for things that he didn’t deserve.
Very interesting...
First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
@@hooman5969how many times you will write that.
A befitting Tribute to the beautiful Soul ;
was exploited,deserted n made to suffer indescribably. She took care of kids all alone....lived in misery and Albert moved away with Elsa...
One can imagine Maliva's suffering n grief.
So sad....
Albert n his mother's attitudes....
❤❤🎉😅
Sadly, she was never credited for her work in helping Albert.
Yes....👍👍
She didn't contributed anything
Contributions are overestimated, though in terms of aiding in his organizational skills. Are to be noted.
I heard many times about women being stupid, but now I am sure. First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
@@hooman5969 Could you share sources?
I can't believe this is all true. I have a very great friend who told me just last night that in fact Mileva almost cheated on Einstein and that's what caused the tension between them. Afterwards I began to wonder if this story of letters was not the product of a plot invented by the many people jealous of Einstein. Now I know my friend was wrong and I also know that those letters are not a plot against Einstein.
After so many years of pondering this issue, I realize that the injustice towards Mileva is simply irrefutable. It is terrible because of the implications on the nature of Albert Einstein but also and above all on all physicists. Not even 1 week ago I heard Etienne Klein say that no one had ever seen Einstein in a hurry (I think). Einstein did some horrible things and that needs to be said as clearly as possible. How come all the top experts continued to treat Albert Einstein like he was a saint when he was so horrible to his wife and sons? This story deserves the most serious meditations because its scope concerns absolutely everyone. I hugely congratulate this woman for the highly important work she just shared to us.
I slept with Meliva. Your friend was telling the truth.
This lady is an excellent lecturer. I could listen to her all day.
Thank you
A beautiful story of a beautiful person. More people must know this!
I heard many times about women being stupid, but now I am sure. First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
Bigoted are you?
@@hooman5969marity signature was spotted many times. Whether you like it or not. Maric did contributed to theory of relativity. Theory of relativity has Serbian origins too.
A collaboration with a person who was a better mathematician that Einstein does not effect the outcome??
Are you serious.
@@hooman5969 ,a ja se, već više puta, uveravam da si ti totalni idiot !!!
Mileva maric was a genius...
First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
@@hooman5969 what are you on about? what is not valid? Mileva Maric was a Serbian physicist and mathematician nothing about it is a story. you degenerate
@@hooman5969 , opet ti idiote !!!
Mileva Marić, serbian genius!!
She is from Serbian Banat!
Show me something she produced that you've assessed that of a standard of a genius.
Nothing without Serbs...
God bless and protect Serbia !
( from Scotland )
Indeed may God protect Serbia and all the countries that have geniuses like Mileva
This woman is an excellent speaker.
I wish I could have seen her projected slide show as well, it would help me remember the word!
Thank you, for posting this enthralling lecture :).
I am just speculating what would have happened if she had met Tesla instead Einstein. Both of them were Orthodox Christians. What if...Only one thing is sure. They would have been happy
Serbians!!
Tesla nije imao seksualne odnose...
Bato tesla nije hteo zenu
@@Acidorest А оно као шпекулација?
@@MarjanVukovic dobro ako tako gledamo to bi bilo nesto neverovatno da se desilo
Behind a wise man there is a wise woman
How do you explain Newton?
@@ross3350 true lol
But no credit was given to the woman...
After separation ,why couldn't the genius create much ??
@@harinderkaur7218 because she didn't do anything
Knowledge is power, understanding is wisdom. This is an educational video. Very interesting, enjoyed the learning experience. I was wowed by their humanity, love of subjects. My curiosity and excitement for learning and growing were fulfilled with this educational video.
Mileva should receive posthumously Nobel Prize. It is obvious that Albert was not capable to finalise any paper without her... since divorcing her, no major paper came out from him.... coincidence? I doubt.
Lol, you are very delusional.
First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
@@hooman5969 LOL 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 😄
I agree. She was wronged.
Have you heard of the paradox EPR? This is an Gedanken Experiment about quantum intrication. Einstein wrote it with his collaborators after the 2nd wold war.
What is the name of the published book that has these love letters? Who authored said book? Thank you.
Hi, I saw your documentary on Meliva Marić and really liked it, I request you a small help from you, I need Dord Krstić's book's PDF copy on Mileva's contribution to Einstein's life. I searched it across the whole Internet but it seems that the book is banned. Can you send me the book's PDF if you have, through e-mail?
Einstein was not an out and out mathematician like Tesla or Maxwell and had help other than Mileva. He was helped by Marcel Grossmann and others.
That's correct. But among the "others" Mileva played only a minor role and not the role some non-scientists generously assign to her.
What about scientific papers as of 1905 in which Mileva s name was clearly stated? Why Einstein did not quote any of those mathematicians who helped him unless they were just drinking and talking while Mileva was searching for math equations first hand? How would you explain the fact Einstein did not public any scientific work after their divorce? It s nothing alike generosity, it is more like covering up for more then a hundred years...so there is nothing minor if it has to be covered up.
@@MarjanVukovic There is no paper in which Mileva's name was stated. You are most likely referring to a popular misquoted statement by Joffe. He stated that a patent office clerk with the name Eistein-Marity published the famous papers in 1905. This is often misrepresented as a) the name on the paper was Einstein-Marity (it wasn't, Joffe doesn't claim that he saw the original paper submission) and b) that Mileva Maric was a co-author. But that's not what Joffe said, he clearly said that the author was Albert Einstein, but he wrongly assumed that it was Swiss custom to add the wive's name to the husband's name.
@@michael201119 Yes, you may debate over that, since woman as Mileva Maric (among other women) had no chance to get recognition for many reasons, not even today. You may list them all if you are willing not only to chew what wikipedia says, but i can tell you on the basis of circumstantial evidences that some covering up took place with the goal to deny her contribution. I mean, such a trivial and biased "interpretation" in respect of what Joffe assumed is cheap and could cause anyone with a common sense to become very suspicious. Why don t we ask descendants of the Einstein second marriage to release important letters (and to ask them if they know someone who knows who could have stole Mileva s papers after her death) so we all can see who indeed was Mileva Maric and Albert Einstein as well... What did Mileva Maric say before her final stroke? Why not to listen what she had to say, eventually, she was the very first woman in the field of math and physics.
@@MarjanVukovic We don't have to rely on interpretation of Joffe's statement, we can just look at the original quote instead of relying on the misinterpretation that some "authors" are feeding to their audience. So, please, read the following quote and then ask yourself whether it supports or contradicts your claim that Mileva was an author on the 1905 papers?
Here is what Joffe wrote in his 1955 article: "In the year 1905, in Annals of Physics, there appeared three articles, thereupon beginning three most important, relevant directions in the physics of the 20th century. Those were: the theory of Brownian motion, the photon theory of light and the theory of relativity. Their author - unknown until that time, a bureaucrat at the Patent Office in Bern, Einstein-Marity (Marity - the last name of his wife, which by Swiss custom is added to the last name of the husband)."
And thanks, I don't rely on wikipedia but mostly on (peer-reviewed) literature from scholars who are actively working in this area. As a starter, I'd suggest to anybody interested to read up what one of those scholars, Alberto A Martinez, is saying about some of the claims that are regularly brought up in this conversation: "Handling evidence in history: the case of Einstein’s wife"
She was greater than Einstein she did the Mathematics, but together briliant. Sir Isaac Newton was greatest scientist ever.
wow. good work.
Mileva died in 1948 not 1982
Right, but Prof. Gagnon did not say that Mileva died in 1982, she said that Helen Dukas died in 1982.
Aparte...la fórmula ya se había presentado a finales del siglo XIX por Henry Poincaré , francés y un italiano apellidado Pietro.
Heaven knows the true story what happened and who did what. It is all recorded and then Albert Einstein or Mileva one of them will be known in the REAL world by then and guess what he probably got the glory maximum 100 years but her will get 1000 years with the King of kings and the Lord of lord. I also know she become a believer in Yeshua/Jesus Christ toward the last years of her life. That is all matter's for her even if it is in the end this happen to her. I hope and pray he will make it to heaven so that he will see eternity embarrassments. She trusted him and not only he brock her trust but he missuses her innocence. Know this God is with the rejected, with the broken hear, with those who are forsaken by the most trusted person in their life. He calculated that she will be the one who will help him for international success and stick with her until he got what he wanted but she was there in all this deal for true love, she loved him. Sad truly a sad story. Some times justice has to wait for just before eternity starts to be served. He though she was not to be percent to people and in the end he called her creature because he knows she has hip problem. Otherwise she is one of the best mind of 20ths century especially among women. I truly want to see justice being served for her ONE day.
And you believe by closing eyes
I agree. He used and gaslighted her and threw her away when he didnt need her anymore. She built him up and suffered greatly because of it.
Yes, surely she will...now because there is awareness among people...
First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
@@hooman5969 Sure 🤣
Thank you very much for this great lecture
A feminin genius!
Please does anybody knows the name of the history professor at City College of New who wrote the biography recommended here please?
Radmila Milentijević
@@harshitkedia2204 Thank you so much.
Albert was a bad character. She helped him so much and he cheated on her. Perhaps this destroyed Edward too.
Behind successful man, there is strong woman…They’re twin flame, even in the end, they separated
This damn professor weber
Einstein seemed to have a high regard for Emmy Noether, who’s contributions to mathematics and physics are on a par with those of Einstein .
Their daughter
Passed away as a infant
I have heard this too. It is not clear whether she died or was adopted. 120 years ago in Serbia, written records are lost, family secrets due to an unmarried women having a baby, etc.
He had ideas she put the math to the ideas.
Nonsense. That's a myth to which no evidence is available.
There is never smoke without fire and the letters on her side proved Einstein was threatened so much in fact by her that he gave her his Nobel prize money and don't anyone tell me he didn't care about money. The letters concerned clearly show she was demonstrating her anger and concern about her omission from the final papers submitted. The corresponding letters that go with these replies were destroyed by German soldiers?? , how convenient that these said soldiers destroyed certain letters of requests from Mileva but left the trivial love letters!!!!. One thing I have learned in my life is there are two sides to every story but for Mileva her story was written out of history and that is a travesty to Science. I am not knocking Einstein who was a great visionary but the whole truth must be aired. Look at two other great women Lise Meitiner and Rosalind Franklin who have been written out of history. I certainly for one won't stand for this.
@@irishguy200007 I did not pretend that Einstein was an an out and out mathematician that Tesla or Maxwell were and do not deny that he struggled with mathematics and all his life worked with mathematicians who completed his calculations. But I know from the extant documents that there is no proof and not even a plausible indication that Mileva "did the mathematics" Albert needed to develop/complete the theories published in the years 1901-1914.- And that "he never came up with any theory after that period" is complete nonsense. On the contrary: the most important and mathematically most demanding theory, the General Relativity Theory, he started together with Marcel Grossmann at a time, Mileva already for quite a while complained about being left out, and he worked on it and finished it one-and-a-half years after the final separation.
@@irishguy200007 As for the Nobel Prize money: if you read German, you'll find all the details from his offer made in January 1918 until the entire money ended up in Mileva's hands here: www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/de/preprints-zum-download Number 493. If you don't read German, the basic information to refute your ideas are contained in einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol8-trans/ and date from the year 1918.- There is nothing to indicate that in this specific context letters are missing.- As for Mileva's friend who, according to Trbuhovic-Gjuric, in 1929 suggested that "Mileva knows because she was involved", her wording is quite unspecific. Sure, Mileva was involved as she lived with her husband at the time he was preparing the papers under discussion. On the kind of "involvement" she may have had many scientists have pondered; yet all the available documents do not suggest any creative input on the part of Mileva.- As for Lise Meitner, you are mistaken: although, due to the circumstances (3rd Reich) she could not pursue the career the had envisaged, she is no way "written out of history". - Now let me go back to my duties.
@@sbw49il what an argument
In another documentary, I understood that the divorce settlement stated that she got all the money of the Nobel prize...
Professora, você não falaria algo ruim de Einstein, só falaria a verdade sobre ele.
I love to think of Mileva as the maths, and the practical side to Einstein great imagination and infinite questioning on the true essence of reality.
I think that Einstein was a great talker, and with a great charisma!
Mileva made Einestein whole, I am so sad that his poor relationship skills broke this beautiful couple that completed each other.
Think of all the further work they could have done together , sadly it wasn't to be and Einstein really made no more ground-breaking work once they split.
Why do you call her:" Mileva Maric Einstein"?Then say Albert Einstein Maric!Stop ✋ calling women with the name of their men!A woman is not a dog!
Whether you like it or not, calling her Mileva Maric Einstein, or even Mileva Einstein is historically 100% correct. In those days, and particularly in the conservative central and eastern Europe, the married woman took her husband's name. You may agree or not, but you can't change it unless you can go back in time and persuade the Europeans living in the late 19th century to change this tradition. This would also change history. By the same token, you will have to persuade the Poles and the French so that Marie Curie keeps her maiden name of Maria Skłodowska.
By the way, dogs are not usually called by their owner's name. I don't remember seeing a Fido Smith, a Prince Bradley nor a Pitou Lafrance.
In Italy women don't change their surname
Most Nobel prizes are a collaboration and they give award only to the lead professor.
Do the collaborators receive credit?
@@elainehill5334 a thank you
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Mileva👈💪🇷🇸❤😎🎻
70% des inventions de Albert c'est elle qui les a inventée
what is the evidence
Lol
M sorry
The story of Mileva Marić was tragic! A lot times, history has sad endings, such as what happened to the RMS Titanic. Dr. Albert Einstein (born in 1879) should have married Lise Meitner (born in 1878). Lise earned her PhD in physics from the University of Vienna. Pauline Einstein, Albert Einstein's mother, would have cried with great joy! Instead, she cried with grief over Mileva. Her son, Albert Einstein, was a lonely man, who needed love and affection, or life seemed incomplete. I think his life would have been far happier and both he and Lise would have shared the 1921 Nobel Prize for Physics, like Madame Curie and her husband did in 1903!
First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
@@hooman5969 Albert Einstein was a true genius. No doubt about that at all. Just reading his scientific papers, and his brilliance is so abundantly obvious! If he was a fraud, all that would have come out. I think Mileva was important to young Albert before he became world famous. She provided him emotional support.
@@ChristianCentury2000 Sure !😄 🤣 😂🤣 😁 🤣 🤣 😂 😄 🤣 😂 😄 🤣 😂 😄 🤣
@@ChristianCentury2000 Have you heard of Poincare?
Mileva was at the time accepted to study in some of the most prestigious scientific institutions as the first woman to ever put her foot in.
She didn't stop working even though her pregnancies, childbirts, his affairs, helped him return in the Zurich program from which he failed and the professor didn't like him due to years of Einstein criticising him, her father supported them financially as he was lazy, Mileva was the one who knew her maths, subject Albert never enjoyed, it was Mikeva who went to Berlin and worked under prof Leonard who sparked her interest in Quantum physics.she even attended classes for which she knew she would not be accredited only because she was a woman.
Coincidentally, ever since that 1905. Paper, Einstein never really done anything so extraordinary to deserve this such a high status. Geniuses such as Allan Turing, not known to the wider public are many.
It would be simply illogical to behave that after pursuing Mileva at the age of 18, because her mind and thinking mesmerized him, after years of being inseparable and all while she's succeeding in every single field she took, that she didn't collaborate on everything he did!
The woman was accepted into this elite, male dominated scientific establishment solely on the basis of her genius that was recognised from her early teens.
Her work was her life and she was the one who supported Albert when his lectures saw him as foolish, not as hard working of disciplined as he should've been, she believed and took time to understand his ideas and thanks to her others have been able to access him as not many people understood exactly where he was going.
Even if Mileva only recorded what is the only his idea, nothing or no-one else contributed to his thinking, just for her writing the content, cleaning behind him and listening she deserve recognition.
Now, Einstein didn't do anything that others before him were not researching or experimenting on. She was the one who was putting equations together and calculating them as he was known not to like that part of the research.
Without Mileva's mind, her being someone who he could develop his thoughts and was able to comprehend him, especially without her family's financial support, Einstein never would've got as far as he did.
As he never again managed quite the same.
The Germans were efficient
Now I understand what your statement means: But, again, you are mistaken. The letters which most likely have been destroyed by German soldiers are some letters Mileva sent her friend Helene Savic in the 1930s. If you read Mileva's letters published by Savic's grandson Popovic, you'll understand that it is highly unlikely that in these letters anything might have been found about Mileva's contribution to Albert's papers. What is missing in fact is some information about Mileva's daughter "Lieserl". Letters containing data re "Lieserl" have, however, rather been destroyed by Helene Savic herself.- As for "missing letters" in general, there are lots of for many reasons; yet the purpose to do away with details of Mileva's scientific work seems the most far-fetched, in fact, most improbable point.
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great brain...but what a man? Wasn't he paying for the medical expenses of his son?
no he wasnt, true douchebag man, only cares about himself and his fame
NONESENSE!!'Our' 'their' were used by Einstein as gratitude because the work was collaborated by mileva for doing his math job, for his meals, for his coffee and snack, for his children, for doing the household chores, etc...while he's completing his theory...Einstein for the original concept of the entire theory. Just like a business man, he thought a feasible business plan originated from his own brain...but capital, research, marketing, advertising, legalities and so on ...were all collaboratively made by a team effort ...that's why there's a "WE- OURS-THEIRS"...as simple to understand. EINSTEIN WAS NO DAUBT. THE MAN OF SCIENCE.
First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
ne seri kvake
There are absurd mistakes in this feminist movement #NobelForMileva : I agree sharply that Mileva would deserve even receive the Nobel of Physics for relativity, among other studies that helped her husband Einstein, for she was excellente mathematical. But mistakes: 1-She never gratuated and unfairly for pursuing a teacher. 2-She studied mathematics and not physical. 3-The nobel earned by Einstein could never have gone to her because the academy knews very well that she was responsible for relativity and not the matter that gave an Nobel: Photoelectric effect, today the Solar panels, nothing to do with relativity and that she no participated. A pity that the Nobel never came out of relativity because at least he would have led together and Einstein has never been unfair, so much that he gave all the fortune wins it (today almost US 2 million and left her millionaire). Did she compensated for ever-awarded relativity? Yes and very and deservedly, that is, only she won with the thesis, no one else, nor Einstein (there was no time to test it to win).
Don't lie on historical facts. Mileva worked as an assistant for Lenard for one semester, when he discovered the photoelectric effect on metals and the role of UV radiation. Lenard had all of his research documented and also he was awarded with a Nobel Prize for his work. Mileva took the whole set of data with her and taught Einstein about it. Both were partners in crime for plagiarizing, hiding his sources with huge amount of fallacies, circular thoughts (petitio principii), sophism and retorted lines of thought to confound with ambiguities and paradoxes. Every paper they co-authored is a masterpiece of deception, twisted plots and purposely placed omissions or leaps when it was convenient. They should have been awarded with the Nobel Prize on Literature. Shakespeare would have been jealous of their talents in narratives.
True historical facts in Austro-Hungarian Empire??!! You must be kidding! If she worked one semester for Lenard doesn’t mean she stole his work. And if, hypotetically, she stole it, would Lenard keep silence?! Don’t lie to yourself.
This is nonsense
First, this story has been completely rejected and is no longer valid. Second, even if it was true, you are saying that it was a collaboration, so it still did not have an effective role in Einstein's work
Albert is the reason she is famous.
She is largely unknown. Emmy Noether was another unacknowledged , at the time, genius.
Theory come from HIS IMAGINATION, ORIGINAL CONCEPT. Mileva was a COLLABORATOR, period....therefore, Einstein deserved the glory of crown.' Every man's success, there's a woman behind '...in fact, Mileva was also a mother to him, a wife, a smart assistant...but SHE WAS A PAIN IN HIS NECK too...Elsa his second wife had completed his journey to his final success, why? ELSA BROUGHT HIM JOY BUT MILEVA BROUGHT HIM STRESS. Man marries for service, Woman marries for SECURITY. MILEVA WAS NOT SUBMISSIVE TO HER HUSBAND FROM DAY ONE YOU COULD SEE HER IRRITABLE SELF CENTERED CHARACTER. At her dying times, she followed Einstein to America, told him about her limited life on earth because of her illness...Einstein encouraged her to stay with him BUT SHE WENT BACK TO SWITZERLAND??? WHY? She was probably wishing deep inside that Einstein would follow her for the last time. BUT HE DID NOT. Mileva was full of insecurities...probably it came from her childhood, her physical feature.
why so mad, she deserves the nobel prize, get over it misogynistic idiot!!!!