Get the Best Bass for Your Home Theater P1
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Part 1 of 3 series:
Anthony Grimani joins us in our livestream April 1st, 11pm EST to discuss how to get the best bass in your home theater. Topics of discussion will include:
1. Bass Management
2. Subwoofer Placement
3. Calibration
4. Listening for Final Adjustments
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In all seriousness, I can’t think of a better RUclips series on room acoustics. Anthony is a joy to listen to and Gene and Don always add different angles to the conversation. It’s been so great.
Acoustic fields also by Dennis Fowly
@@level80888 Cheers. I’ll check it out.
Massive credit to Gene at Audioholics and to Anthony Grimani and Don. This is gold. It’s info you don’t normally get unless you do a quality course and listening to this, understanding it and implementing it will not only yield great results but save those prepared to learn a lot of money. Most of all it will put a smile on your face. Well done and thank you.
Absolutely amazing presentation. Anthony is a fountain of knowledge but brings it down to a level of understanding we can all absorb. Can’t wait for next weeks follow up.
I have to second Don's emotion about how great this is to have Anthony's experience and work explained so well and that it is invaluable information to anyone wanting to get good bass quality. Thank you very much for your time and efforts.
This information is absolute gold dust, many thanks to Gene for bringing this to us & Anthony for sharing his wealth of knowledge in this field.
Thanks and well done guys - an amazingly informative video on such an important subject. I think Anthony's approach takes things to a higher level because he simply won't let any form of superficial or simplistic explanation pass. He absolutely insists on us knowing the "why" of every matter - "what" and "how" just aren't enough. He clearly wants everyone watching to be able share his depth of understanding which is a real gift to us. I feel very lucky to have access to this material and can't wait for the next instalment. Hoping you might mention the value (or not) of REW's RoomSim feature in your next video as lots of people use it to help deal with these issues.
Love this. So glad to hear Anthony narrow in on the ultimate objective of all of this which is to transport us to another world. Bad bass can’t do that!
My only issue is I don't have all this testing equipment to even know if my sound is good. I can experiment and move stuff around, listen to the same track over and over, while sitting in different places in the room. That takes tons of time, but that's what I have had to do, and my sound is pretty good these days. I was running only one dedicated sub, and after adding a second sub to a different location in the room, oh wow. It improved the bass response in almost every seat. REally cool stuff guys!!!
Thanks alot for the presentation, Anthony 👏
For a while ago, I tried different locations for my sub, I even placed it under the table in front of the couch. It was actually fun to hear and feel the differences between the locations, as it made a huge impact.
Everyone should try it out 😉
And thanks alot to all you guys, for bringing out these awesome vids 🤗 much appreciated 🎸🤘😎
I’ve probably said this in another video but I can’t express how amazing I think these videos are. I love the Audioholics channel, to have somewhere to go where you know that you can rely on the information. No snake oil. Secondly the people we have on these videos Anthony, Matt Poes James Larson, Don Dunn get it done. Invaluable content that I have watched multiple times. I enjoy sharing this knowledge that I learn too.
Keep up the amazing work.
I keep coming back to these webinars, they are simply chock full of good information and knowledge.
Recently got to set up my first dual-sub system in my own space, and seeing DIRAC measurements where I basically got between 12 and 20 dB, depending on the measurement position, for free at 20 Hz just from another sub and better placement is just exhilarating in a geeky way.
Thanks for all your great work.
The Grimani lectures are so good I've saved them all, made notes and looked up his reading list.
Simply excellent. Invaluable. Any enthusiast should consider this video, and the next one, mandatory.
Gene, I’ve watched and enjoyed your videos for years...this path your on with anthony is sooo awesome. This one is the best yet. Looking forward to more
Just built myself a pair of Mini Marty's and bought a 2x4 minidsp, perfect timing.
Me too! In the process of sanding the primer getting ready to paint!
Thank you for this dissertation! I’m seriously rethinking my bass management in my 17 x 14 x 8 theater.
This is great info! Looking forward to part 2!
If I take anything away from this, not to say that’s all I took away, but the RGB color scheme for left right and center is a great color scheme to use. Thanks!
I think I've watched too many Grimani videos, too many times. Because I already know all of this by heart. I could accurately draw his slide show presentations from memory. 😅
my livingroom is connected to my dining room and kitchen. no matter what I do it won't be perfect bc of the room . one subwoofer bass is good enough for me. great information and knowledge btw I really appreciate the topic in the video. I just wish I had a real isolated dedicated theater room.
I'm sure there are still things you can do. Probably the best thing that could help you is trial and error with making changes and getting a calibration microphone to see what changes are better than others. 😉
Hi there, this is not the case. The bigger the problems in the room; the bigger the gains from adding a second sub. I have the same room layout and for me adding a second sub vastly improved the experience. Just try it!
@@boydrijkvan6500 my living room is 12ft by 14ft. 2 subs would definitely help but overkill. My wife hates 1 subwoofer already. lol
I hear you, the wife acceptance factor can never be ignored :-). Have a nice day
Really the same probleme here dude. I have only one Arendal Sub 1.5 and its as big as a small fridge. Only could save the WAF by telling my wife to put a flower on it. I'm wondering if its possible to use the lower frequencies of the full range fronts to terminate the 2nd and higher harmonics.
That is true. Here in Spain we build with concrete and bricks and the bass problem is actually worst because there is very few energy absorption by the walls.
Gentlemen, Thank you so much for sharing your time and experience. It's like grad school for audio addicts. Now to find speaker placements and room treatments that fully meet the W.A.F. specifications.
That's really the biggest audio challenge..
Tnx you all for all these lessons. They are priceless
Guys, this is gold ... keep up the insanely great work please :-))
I already read "Master handbook of acoustics" 3 times ... but still, this is absolutely invaluable experience from masters of the trade !
Yeah its correct, im in a lot of treble even my costly sub pumping hard in the corner. Great presentation guys, was eagerly waiting for some one to put some light on this so called standing waves
A very good presentation. Thanks!
My wife loves Bass so long as it's clean.
same with my wife. has to be tight, clean bass.
Slow decay bass is good for club music, but not suitable for metal, classic, or jazz
I see what you did there :P
I pointed a laser distance meter around from my listening position.. pointed it to front/side/ceiling and divide with the corresponding L W H room dimension. To avoid the nulls of 1st and 2nd order standing wave you'd want to keep a margin to factors of .25, .5, .75.
Bass management is important. I have the frequency response down pretty well in my room, basically flat from 12Hz to 80Hz but somehow it isn't very "exciting". If I use just one Sub (I have two, placed diagonally) then I get more vibrations in my couch and more tactile bass, but of course less linearity. Seems to be a "compromise" situation.
Great info. Thanx Gene and friends.
A solution could be floor standers with active subwoofers at the front and 2 xSVS 3000 micros in the rear corners or sides, total of 4 active subwoofers. Might keep the cost down and achieve the goal.
I love how AG cannot even look at the camera when Gene has the cable with the 72v attached to it. Says it all.
This is really really good. Man, just thinking about how I tried to deal with bass management from the 70's thru the 90's when we didn't know crap.
About 90% of folks planning a home theater setup can ignore and in fact dismiss most of what's said in this video. All these graphs that these guys and other YT influencers are always showing you to represent how "bad" your bass sounds is mostly nonsense. Because it just doesn't translate to significantly noticeable differences in real world listening. You look at all those sound measurement graphs and say to yourself, "Oh my Gad, my bass is going to sound terrible!!" Listen, go out and spend a little extra on a great pair of main speakers. Then go out and spend a little extra on a high end SEALED sub with a high quality amp of at least 300 watts (but this would depend on your room size obviously). Set your AVR's x'over to usually 80, but play around and experiment, could be 70, could be 90. Then make sure speaker distances are set in your AVR, as well as the subs phase (usually zero degrees, but again, experiment). Next, using a $25 SPL meter, or heck even a phone app, level all your speakers. Then (and this is important) gradually give your brand new sub a proper break in routine over a set period of time to allow it to sound it's best. Next and final step - enjoy awesome sound! And forget the graphs!!!
From where do you measure the 1/4 from Wall? From middle of the Driver /cone or from the woofer's side??
This is some good scientific information.
I feel like these guys are black tuxedos and I'm a pair of brown shoes. Here I am in a 12x13 drywall room, with a Klipsch Theater Reference 5.1 system (downfiring sub) and a Denon AVR. But, like most people my age, it works for my hearing. And I can only crank it up when my CFO is out of the house anyway.
After getting REW running on my old laptop computer and installing an adapter to go from USB to HDMI I could use it to run sweeps on my AVR. I spent 8 hours yesterday chasing "flatness" in the bass region only to finally figure out it is the room and quite possibly the subwoofer itself that cannot be EQ'd out. I moved the sub to many locations and added in a second sub I have, which helped a little, but it still is not running correctly, in my opinion. Dang it! The measurement and correction task is like trying to escape from a house of mirrors!
If you see this Anthony, I would love to know you're opinion as to if it would be possible to get into acoustic engineering for loudspeakers with a mechanical engineering degree as it was for you with electrical engineering. I'm in 1st year engineering currently so I am quite lucky since I can still change my discipline. I'd love to hear anything you have to say about this. Thank you all for this amazing video!
Grimani: "..women are more sensitive to bass energy.."
Gene: "Yes! They DEFINITELY are.."
Gene's wife in another room far, far away: "...(I feel a disturbance in the force)..."
Amazing job !!! Keep going.
This is really really good. Man,
I noticed my midbass/bass was sorely lacking, so here is a tip for the layperson. Download Audacity, create 40hz, 50hz, 60hz, 70hz etc test them one at a time, but shift the output between left, both and right speakers.
I noticed that anywhere I can put the speakers for my main listening position, I am in a null.
I love gene ...hes a funny guy
Guys, Here is a list of my Home Theater System:
Sony AV Receiver STR-DH770
Tower Speakers Cerwin-Vega VE-15
Center speaker Cerwin-Vega CV0903882
Sub-Woofer JBL PB-10 bottom firing
Question, Is my current receiver good enough for my speakers?
Pure interesting info indeed.
Thanks very helpful
Don Dunn looks like the big guy from bowling for soup lol.
I thought he was.
I learn a lot with you guys. I’m thinking to subscribe to you’re Patreon page.
Just thank you!
Gene - you guys are killing it with the room acoustics series. Curious to hear what Anthony's got for this upcoming week regarding the "mo subs, mo betta" approach to taming base in acoustically small rooms. My room is TINY - 10' X 12' X 9' and it's been maddening experimenting and measuring with speaker/listener placement. I'm using prosumer studio monitors in a 2-ch setup that I initially placed out into the room where traditional HiFi speakers always measured best. Unsatisfied with the dips I was getting around 100Hz and searching for solutions I found some video by Carl Tatz (curious if Anthony knows him) who suggested this dip is common in most rooms with stand-mounted speakers. He recommended setting them up much close to the front wall and sure enough when I did and remeasured the dip was gone with no other impact elsewhere in the bass - and from rear-ported speakers no less!
Is there a case to be made in tiny rooms that the speakers should be right up against the front wall to help with speaker boundary issues? Also curious what Anthony thinks about sizing speakers to rooms and whether or not that's even really a thing.
I know this is off topic for this particular video, but part of the title triggered a dilemma I have, maybe it could be a worthwhile point to hit in the future for a few others as well with similar limitations, the plot will slightly thicken a few times: I have a pretty small studio set up in my basement (9'7"x11'5"), it's pretty packed with everything that needs to go in this room, not a lot of room to keep unhingable basstrap panels when I'm not mixing, or to move just to grab something off the ceiling-to-floor built-in shelving that each jut out a foot from the original 9'7" dimension on each side of the room. The left side wall shelf unit is 6'8" wide up against the front wall, but then the wall sticks out another 8" into the room space until it hits the back left corner. The right side shelving is 5'2" wide, and here's what I think might be my main concern: after the shelves on the right side of the wall, the remaining length of the wall is cut into to make room for a kinda triangular shaped walk-in closet with big sliding mirrored doors (that I've turned inside-out) that make up the rest of that wall, causing a wide angle for my back right corner of the room, it's at an angle to where the back wall is only 4'11". That back wall is the 30" door, some trim, and the 20" built-in shelf that goes from the floor to 1'1" from the ceiling. There's a 7'x17" section along the left front corner side of my seating position on the ceiling that drops down 10" for something. My question is with such an irregular shape to my room that has a built-in lopsided nature to it, how do I acoustically treat my room? My back left corned has a door jammed up against it, my back right corner has a wide angle with a sliding closet door up against one side, and a built-in shelf up against the other (which has all my girl's and my CDs which makes the whole shelf a plastic jewelcase reflection surface I assume I should cover with a detachable panel). My front two corners have shelves attached to each side, the ceiling is lopsided on the left and the top shelf on the right actually sticks out another 5.5" kinda messing up being able to symmetrically hang that side's panel. The first reflection points are occupied with shelfspace, I'm having a really hard time figuring out how to make a balanced mixing environment, it's stressing me out :P do I move my desk and speakers ever so slightly to one side to compensate for a huge angled set of closet doors on one side? I mean at least the only window in this room was boarded up and is inside the walk-in closet before it was a closet, haha, so the front wall is just solid drywall and I have no window surfaces to worry about, but I'm still stumped on how to address all the physical oddities. Am I over-thinking? Is it easier than I've been wondering about for the last idk how long? Sorry for the crazy long question, but I hope I haven't lost you in tediousness :/ if so, you're obviously not obligated to consult my hyper-specific detailed inquiry, I'd understand :P either way, I appreciate you! Thank you for everything!!!
Oh man, he was about to answer my questions and then!!!!! See you next week guys 😂
You just asked my question. Can I mount the subwoofer in a closet at ceiling height firing through the wall. My main issue I know will be a fixed location. There will be a second sub that I can move around to have some adjustment
The most popular tuning of a rock kick drum is C2 65Hz
Would it be best to put 2 subs in non-symmetrical locations? Like one in a corner, and the other on a sidewall somewhere?
lot of subs around lot of ideas lot of sub tractile around lot of ideas. I been looking at woman's vibrators some look so good to be true. with touch sensitivity of it moving up and down and vibrating. I am seriously considering buying a few to modify into a cheaper bass shaker what do you think?
I almost feel like I'm ready to be certified for small room sound calibration hahaha
if you can not put two woofers in front of the room,wehere would you put them?
when you set your front speakers to large and surrounds to small does the surrounds bass go to the fronts or the sub?
is it possible you can explain why some subwoofers with bass reflex make a chuffing distortion, and how the same subwoofer with the same gain can chuffing in one room and no in other different room? and in the case your subwoofer make that distortion how to avoid it?
Don you gotta be related to Mark Boone Junior (Bobby Munson) from sons of anarchy with that voice!
Good one guys, I've been meaning to ask Anthony Grimani a question but I never know when to ask it. But I feel like nows a good moment.
What about a pentagon or heptagon shaped room? I've got enough towers that go to 35hz to have one in each corner of a heptagon, but would the sidewall be better than the corner? What kind of affects would you predict in having wider/narrower angles of a pengtagon vs those of a heptagon.
I'm considering construction based in solid concrete, or a heptagon room made of breeze blocks, inside another larger rectangular room of timber frame construction with favorable acoustic ratios. Open to all suggestions. Although I'm leaning towards a barn full of chickens lol
My specific use case doesn't need to be addressed, but I would really love to hear some discussion of room geometry in rooms that don't have any parallel sides such as a pentagon or heptagon. I think debating the merits of speaker placement in corner or on the side would very interesting. I guess there should also be a door and a screen in there too ;P just incase you get lonely, and want to let the chickens in.
Thanks :)
I want to hear your opinion on achieving this in a car. All I hear is it isn't possible but when I bought a $1k pair of 6" front speakers(audiofrogs) I will do my best to achieve it
By the way I recomend the cable company to go up to 800V instead of 72V. It works for electric cars. Why not for cables? ;)
After seeing the gear recommendations i realized this is an advert. Sony and Pioneer speakers....lol......bwababaaaaawwaaaa...yeah right.
All Greek to me, I need someone to come and set my subs up, most have a livingroom, can't arrange furniture...
running three subwoofers in those areas simultaneously would yield greatly different results though
Is it next week yet
I feel like a sub in every corner is just not enough, I am sitting on one as well.
Gene and Anthony, I'm fighting a particular trade-off and am wondering if this is a real trade off or if there is a way around it. I did an A/B of letting Audyssey calibrate both of my 2 subs independently vs. me manually level matching and adjusting the subs' delays until I got as smooth of an FR from the subs as I could, then used a Y splitter to make Audyssey think they were one. Letting SubEQ HT work on the subs independently seems to give me a much better stereo image with low frequency content like kick drums (I assume because it's good at phase aligning the subs), but my FR curve is terrible (massive dip 30-50hz). When I level-match and set delays myself, then Y-split the subs to make Audyssey treat them as a single sub, I get much better FR, but the stereo image doesn't sound as locked for low frequency content (higher frequency imaging is fine). Is this a real problem and what can I do to solve it?
Gene and friends I have a question about subwoofer integrating with the mains. I ran a few different freq 60-120hz in Audacity and adjusted my subwoofer phase until it sounded best, but the position for sounding best differed for some of the frequencies. So I assume part of it is peak/null standing waves...
I watch all of your videos usually multiple times and I am either forgetting where you mention how to do this, or I haven't seen it somehow. Thanks
Was curious if using a down firing and a front firing sub help to cancel standing waves?
In an Atmos setup including two subs and full range LRC speakers, what would be the best speaker/ sub placement to start with. Can LRC be placed to cancel out rooom modes in combination with two dedicated subs?
Classic stereo brand Onkyo to delist from Tokyo stock exchange in July. The’ve sunk their battleship through cheap tactics and anti-audiophile profile.
Very sad
hi Gene . i have the " water" cables from audioquest so ill be very interested in your findings.
Hey guys ...to access the power points which level of membership I have to take in patrions ??? The audiophite, the audiophile, the audioholic ??
Who does not like bass???
My neighbour 🤪
I have 2 SVS PB 2Kpros, how far should both subwoofers be away from the wall? Is it 8-12 in?
If useing mini DSP on a Marantz with two sub outs it is recommended to use on sub out not two , can one explain?
Wives don't like bass... so true!!!
i always trust my ears, basic knowledge and plenty off time for experiments ;)
What about double bass arrays and single bass array, as they are state of the art in Germany for home theaters?
Today I learned that turning the subwoofer knob to the LFE setting is not always the best option. It really limits your subwoofer. Interesting.
It bypasses the internal crossover of the sub which is recommended if you're using bass management of your AVR.
@@Audioholics Yeah, I guess if you're building a monster sound setup in a large room with complex acoustics, you might not want to use LFE, But for the majority of us, LFE is still the standard. It's just nice to know it's there.
This is why i say unless you have a 20K budget headphones are superior
What's considered budget headphone?
Hello 👋🏼 guys I just ordered my SVS PB-1000 pro
Can I used a PB-1000 thinking of going dual and get good sound? Thank you
I currently have 1 down firing Sub, can the 2nd 1 be front firing?
95% of us dont have the proper room or 10 inch bass diffusers. thats why we have movie theaters. Most of this is futile for the average home owner and nobody wants 4 subwoofers besides the AV store salesperson.
When Anthony says that one can read ahead if they like, where would one find it? Is there a link to a pdf or powerpoint?
patreon.com/audioholics
Is there a discount code for sonitususa.com?
Bass Matters... tell that to Disney and some other studios who are more and more likely to neuter the low bass frequencies to appease the sound bar and TV speaker crowd. Disney used to have some of the best audio mixes from their Renaissance Era to about just before "The Age of Ultron." TAoU is actually a good sign post for when their soundtracks started becoming downright terrible.
Second hand Tannoy DC3000's, chuck the mud-woofers away :).
"back in the early 2000's" sh**
I can not get rid of this null. I have 2 subs and have put them EVERYWHERE.
I cross them at 90 at have 20db null from 50-70hz. I've moved them all over the place, and moved my seating back and forth by a couple feet. No combination seems to do it for me. I can't afford more than 2 subs at the moment. I only care about one seat!
REW + UMik-1 + miniDSP 2x4 HD is your friend.
The distance setting can fix this. And possibly the phase on each sub
I don't have a minidsp. But I have 2 sub-outs. The only thing a minidsp is going to do is help eq my subs better to my mains. That's the only thing it will make easier. I've played with distance. But I like to set the distance at the right place to be in phase with the mains. If I use it to treat the null it could sound horrible.
There's really no eq solution for this, as they just talked about for an hour lol
@@Cblan1224 A variable phase adjustment is the key, it's either a dial knob on the back of the sub or it's a time delay adjustment ( milliseconds ) in software of a dsp. Assuming you've already found the optimal positions for your speakers and listening seat ( where you get smoothest response ), And assuming that you have a rectangular room with the subs placed in their most optimal positions possible,..e.g,..( The opposite corners diagonally works for me ). You should first integrate the sub closest to the main speakers so that it's at the correct gain level, crossover point and phase so that it's in phase with the mains. Then adjust the phase/delay on the second sub until it fixes the nulls - Keep in mind that you may have to adjust the gain level and lower the crossover point on this second sub as there could be some interference if you set it to the same as the first sub. Look up,.. "Earl Geddes on multiple subwoofers", here on RUclips.
@@JesusChristSaves2024 I've seen people talk about him, and ill check it out.
So a dsp with variable phase adjustment
Lol. I think women love the bass. They just don't like you loving it because if you're enjoying something for yourself, you are not doing the things they want you to be doing.
Hi Gene
That setup won't give you bass presence, clarity, micro dynamics or bass transparency.
That setup is so dated .
Bass trapps and defusers are also so dated.
We all want to live in decorative cosy living rooms.
Anthony is all talking about dated techniques.
When the industry talks about square rooms which are a major problem ,then I just laugh.
That's a huge myth.
Rather say that, so called acoustic experts don't know what they doing.
There are new developments on the horizon in acoustic techniques and speaker placements .
Speaker placements has always been discussed online with giving people 100 odd numbers of variables.
Speaker positioning can be calculated as a definite position today already with no variables.
There are 3 definite points in every room that give a perfect acoustic interface between the room, listener and speakers.
The technology is already working and available out there.
Best regards
Hermann
Can you link us to the studies you talk of? As far as I'm aware, free and robust information has never been of the bleeding edge kind, shouldn't we be grateful of this great content. Do you think for example, Anthony is going to receive his typical industry leading income for the hour he has given up literally for the benefit of people he will never know or meet. It cost us 10 seconds of a skippable ad... Perhaps your (hyper)criticism would be better placed after you link us to the hours of content you have created 🤷♂️
Dear Mr. Maichatz, have you thought that you are talking on behalf of other people without knowing what other people actually prefer. For instance I am a 19 year old and think that a dedicated room with bass traps and diffusers look awesome and I think many people will agree with me as some will agree with you. There are always 2 or more sides to something. Just because they chose to look at dedicated rooms with traps and diffusers doesn't mean they are wrong it just means they aren't covering what *you* wanted covered
I read the whole comment thinking it's Harman, but at the end I realised it's Hermann, sorry...
Please give us a link to this info
Do I smell a troll ?
Yes but that graph is going to be up and down like that because of the DB output at 100db..? is way too high for the size of room like that, if you have an output or 50db the waveform is going to be a lot flatter response and you won't get the troughs so much that's my logic and I'm sticking to it lol
You have to be careful of building sickness at 1 Hz has to be cancelled out didn't mention this and body frequency is not good can make you ill
You should take 75mg of aspirin daily before your vaccine and K2 carry this on for a month especially with the Pfizer vaccine and AstraZeneca and probably the others as well
Some studies are showing ventricle clogging and possibly pulmonary embolism
Whats up with the vaccine text in ur comment?
@@jockeleu another armchair MD spouting trash as fact. The danger of the internet at it's best - 'medical advice' from a comments section in a bass management video.....
@@FatterTony I know. What's with this guy 🤷♂️ 😂
@@lio1234234 Totally, it's not just that theres no place for it here, but its borderline dangerous as there will be other folk like him that read these universal prescriptions and end up with stomach ulcers, liver problems etc.
@@FatterTony
Even worse...the "advice" above can actually significantly lower the effectiveness of the vaccine. If you take painkillers within 6 hours getting the shot, it can have a significantly detrimental effect.
Hi Gene, can you remove Don from these educational videos or at least speak to him. He has absolutely zero palpable content to add and simply degraded the quality. Simply offering some friendly advice as I respect your content.
If you accidentally walked past Don in the street his appearance would probably make you you think he's a tattoo artist, a rock band drummer, a builder or along those lines.
But a wise old man or woman would say looks can be deceiving. Just because Don has a different appearance and persona from the typical audio geek.
Doesn't mean he doesn't have a wealth of knowledge. Being an installer of speakers, subwoofers etc for many many years gives him first hand knowledge that most people simply don't have.
If you do a job long enough you usually improve, learn from mistakes made earlier in your career. I don't think a perfectionist like Gene would have got Don to do installations in his house if Don wasn't one of the best installers around.
Having a few different perspectives keeps also things real. Plus he's a colourful character So I vote to keep Don in these videos. 😁