@@ortuignis3782 I read that Mr. Randy Brown did report Eric Harris to the police for Eric's website (talking about death, weapons in general, saying he has access to weapons and threats to kill Brooks Brown) before the mass shooting happened and the cops didn't do anything about it. The only teacher that I've read about so far helping alot of kids hide that day was Mr.Sanders
@@leenahancock8056 Pattie Nielsen did it too. She stayed with her students instead of running away. Majority of teachers tried to help and that's why just a few ones died.
Before the shooting, one of the teachers also confronted one of the shooters parents about a story they wrote in English class containing a lot of graphic descriptions on murder and the parent just dropped it saying 'Kids Will Be Kids' and then after the shooting said that the teachers didn't do anything 😕. The people who were trying to do something and change the outcome were just being ignored both by the police and by the parents.
Brooks Brown's dad still seems affected and he didn't even lose his son. Had the police further investigated Harris when the Brown's notified them all of this could have indeed been prevented
Good point. Maybe sometimes it really can't be prevented and there is nothing to do. Depends on the individual's intelligence and skills. Dylan and Eric were always described as bright young men
Debra P Harris was o. Probation at the time. His website said he made the bomb that was at a local park. So if the police investigated him and searched his room for more bomb making equipment they would of found his plans for the school bombing they had planned.
CENATIONwweSwagger Yet he was the only one who did exactly what he had to do, he saw a threat and reported it. There isn’t anything more he could have done.
Damn, Eric harris asked a Vietnam vet if he killed anyone and if he saw anyone die???? Jesus.... that is the golden question you never ask a vet. That is a a major sign of a disturbed mind if you ask me.
I asked my dad and he had to answer and he could not get angry because it’s a fact. You have to live with it. Sometimes even murder is the least they’ve done
Cini minis There’s a difference between wanting to know how it feels to kill someone and watch them die and wanting to learn about a massive American tragedy.
Vincent Cuttolo no he still believes it it’s just that now with the law suits and everything against him for even saying that he’s been afraid to ever utter otherwise.
We had a kid who had a “list”. He was prepping, and once word got out of his list, people were “nice” to him. Then the school got involved. He was never arrested - still attended school. Nothing happened though. This was in 2008. It still scares me to this day, as I was on the “list”, because he listed - “all cheerleaders”, even though I was friends/aquatinted with him.
I remember we had a kid who was clearly abused at home, his mom was banned from school property for her aggressive outbursts. The kid was filthy and he would sit in class self-harming. Shoving thumbtacks into his body or stapling his hands/arms. He would follow girls home, threatening them and then he even made up a hit list. All the school did was have a meeting with all of the other kids telling us not to antagonize him because he was dangerous. We were so lucky he didn’t kill any of us.
This kid Adam at my school, my buddy Corban got in a bad fight with him over summer It sucks cuz Adam said these words on TikTok "Corban and all his friends, on the first day of seventh grade, I will bring a Gerber Survival knife to school, and stab every one of you until I'm satisfied." My school said he couldn't come back and nobody else would take him, he had to move to Arizona
@@ash3227 ok, I’m not condoning school shooting in any way, and i may be getting a little off topic but since you provided a little background information then i will say i feel bad for the kid. It’s not his fault that he was the way he was. You said he was filthy makes me think he was possibly neglected and abused at home. I blame the parents and in that situation, Like how bad is someone’s tempter that they get banned from school property? You have a kid who’s self harming in class and the school just looks the other way?? God only knows what went on behind closed doors at his house.
I feel for Randy Brown. It's so frustrating when you see a potential problem, report it to the proper authorities, and then watch them drop the ball. in his case, with devastating consequences though.
He did everything right, but no one cared enough to listen to him it seems. I really feel for the guy, he probably has survivors guilt and thinks he could’ve stopped it somehow.
They dropped the ball again responding to the shooting by "establishing a perimeter to contain the damage" rather than neutralizing the threat as quickly as possible. They basically waited outside while gunshots were going off in the school.
@@laurenmacneill9551 Same. Although, I wish they had known years ago that the constant mention of their names and broadcast of their faces would glamorize them to disturbed people and sadly inspire copy-cats for decades. I am glad the media now strives to stifle the fame and notoriety such killers desire.
A kid literally came up to me and told me I was on his hit list and that he was going to shoot up the school so I emailed my principal and nothing happened and people just kinda told me I was being rude, so even if he did do something my warning would’ve meant nothing.
RealityBytes I understand what you’re saying and I definitely agree it’s students job to get their education, but I feel like people need to encourage children to speak up, about threats and not brush it off and think it’s just a joke. We need to stop shaming people and calling them sensitive or they can’t take a joke.
Hi welcome To chili’s this is literally a common theme amongst shooting communities. Adults refuse to take responsibility, refuse to train teachers to identify signs, and then they blame the shooter’s peers for either not being friends with him or for not reporting him. And even if you do report someone for threats, there’s very literal protection for you if the person you reported decides to retaliate.
RealityBytes oh believe me I know, sometimes the police or others won’t investigate. I was just saying that most of the people that talked about the shooters say, “we thought he was joking”, “we didn’t think he would do it”, it’s never the victims fault, It wasn’t their fault at all.
Mr brown is correct.nmost schools and poloce have learned nothing. Parkland is an example.20 years later and the ball was still dropped by the school and the police . such a shame.
ms Marla how can the school do anything really? prevent bullying? You can't. And not in real life either. No. We need to teach our kids at home not be little assholes, that bullying someone is WRONG, that people are different and some are even CRAZY and SAD enough in their life to ACT on their morbid feelings! Tell me what kind of program you want the police and schools to do to protect people from their own selves!
Madison Stevenson If you can't bring your kids up respectfully and teach not to bully anyone then you shouldn't be allowed kids.. There's one way of helping. Also not getting drunk around them and influencing them to be like you
Because people wanna ignore the fact that there’s too many people out here who have access to military style guns. Best believe politics is behind all of this
I’m sick and tired of Randy Brown feeling like it was his fault, it was all the police, they had the library door open listening to kids being murdered, had they gone into the school, so much trauma could’ve been prevented
I know, I feel so bad for him. He did everything he could, the police and school administration failed those kids, Randy cared so much for the students and it shows. I just want to hug him, seeing his eyes water just from talking about it makes me so sad.
At the time of this event, standard procedure was too surround the building and attempt to contact the assailants and negotiate a solution. Procedures changed dramatically afterwards. Officers now enter the building and move towards the shooter(s) and neutralize the threat. Acting on warning signs can always be improved.
@Christopher Meisner the police were right outside the propped open library emergency exit when the rampage was going on. They were 15 feet away, listening to the rampage, and they did nothing because it was policy at the time to secure a perimeter as opposed to engage shooters.
@@alperdue2704Yeah, sure. So why all the body armor and tactics for close quarter engagement? Seems to me they wanted to let it play out. Like they got an order not to enter and engage.
Brooks was a lucky guy that day. According to several accounts, he encountered Eric Harris that morning just before the shooting started and Harris told him to go home.
Luke Lemire right!!. Alternative school, probation, juvie or something. 10 years is excessive for a joke unless he came to school with a gun or something.
Sometimes I find myself reading about victims of school shootings, and every time I am reduced to tears. Daniel Mauser was one of the victims of columbine, he looks eerily similar to a friend of mine. Doing this reminds me it can happen anywhere and to anyone, violence isn’t always selective.
Daniel Mauser stuck to me for some reason. i’m trying to learn the most i can about his life (before i learn the lives of the other victims) and he reminds me of my sibling. the fact that he had a sister absolutely breaks my heart. he was so brave, it’s absolutely deviating.
yes! he looks exactly like my best friend and knowing what happened to him breaks my heart and every time i see a photo of him my eyes fill with tears, he looked like such a sweet and kind hearted boy who had great potential in the future which was unfortunately taken away by eric harris. rip❤
it is called b-roll. look it up. If any of you think that it was filmed at the same time as the interview, then you all know nothing about video production.
I was a junior in HS, in '99. The massacre at Columbine changed the world forever. Had the police actually done their jobs, when the Brown's contacted them, this could've possibly been avoided. We will never know. Now, today, if you feel something is wrong with someone...SAY SOMETHING! Pay attention to your kids! You could be wrong, but you could be right & SAVE LIVES.
It’s crazy to think about how one small event can affect/change history so drastically. If the police had only taken Randy/Brooks Brown’s reports seriously, they probably could have stopped the tragedy and prevented so many more like it. If that had happened, and Columbine never happened, would many more of the other school shootings have happened? Crazy to think about how that one little incident could have changed things. I think this is what has led Randy Brown to his intense studying of the incident.
Mr. Brown it’s not your fault, you did the best you could do. The cops were the ones to let down the community, not you. Your a good man with a wonderful heart. God Bless you.
I remember one time in high school I was in study hall with a friend who told me he was hired as a hitman once and that he liked to burn bodies in the woods. He didn’t follow up with “Just kidding!” or “Don’t worry, I was being sarcastic.” He looked and sounded completely serious-even nonchalant, as if these were totally normal activities to be interested in! I discreetly excused myself and reported him through the proper channels, and to their credit, my school admins took the situation seriously and acted swiftly. He went to hospital for a while before coming back to school, but from then on I avoided him because I was afraid he’d retaliate. He never did, but I kept my guard up. I’m telling this story as an example of when I had to report someone I was concerned about. I wasn’t trying to get my friend in trouble; I just wanted him to get some help, and I knew comments like that were too serious in nature to be left unaddressed, even if they were said as a joke and even if there was a risk of him getting mad at me. If someone you know seems to have an unhealthy fascination with death/killing/violence in general, or talks calmly about committing violent acts, or even if something just seems off about them, it’s best to speak up, even if you’re unsure whether they’re serious or even if they insist they’re joking, because healthy minds don’t go there.
In 2006, I was in 6th grade when I first heard about the tragedy. One of the girls killed was Rachel Joy Scott and he book brought tears to my eyes. I remember it was a tracing of her hand saying"These hands belong to Rachel Joy Scott and one day I hope they can touch the hearts of people all over the world" so sad. God bless to the survivors. I remember signing the big poster for "Rachel's Challenge" and thousands of students besides me as well.
Rachel's challenge was how I heard about it too, also in 06. She was an angel before and after death.. And I aspire to be like she was in life to this day.
I live in Littleton, bout to graduate from a different high school. Every year when the anniversary comes around, kids joke around about the tragedy. Teenagers out here do not take it seriously. Really sad if you ask me. My question had always been, in regards to the 'school shooting drills' we have twice a year, is... If they had these drills 20 years ago at Columbine, how would it have ended? When the 2 shooters were also students, and also had to endure the school shooting drills? They would have known what the plan was, they would have known where to go and what the procedure was in the classroom so it's not like it would have thwarted any thought they had to follow through with their plan.
Robert Eagleton EXACTLY YOU GENIUS! As stupid as it seems it’s like having a double agent. Even if they didn’t they know that kids are just told to hid under tables? Well I’m sorry to break it to authorities but tables aren’t bulletproof.
Very interesting thought. I was a graduate of ‘99 and school policy was very loosey goosey at the time. Imagine if those two fuckers knew exactly where students would be going and how to exploit it. They were already very well planned. It’d have been like giving them blueprints. I never thought of it like that.
The image I remember the most is that no good worthless SWAT team lingering outside the school for hours. Had just one of them had any guts, the teacher might still be alive.
I hate that his name is unknown but Dylan and Eric are known by all Americans. It’s disgusting that he is forgotten but his murderers have fans and sympathizers. RIP Dave Sanders, he deserved so much better, and I hope he rests easy knowing that he saved so many kids from being slaughtered.
Meavo100 As someone who has been trying to embody that mantra their entire life, why can’t it be both? Treat others the way you want to be treated, but let’s not pretend this was even a remotely rational reaction.
The media a HUGE role to play in this, and a huge responsibility. FAR to much focus is on the killers. Too many documentaries. The killers are glorky, plain and simple. I live in nz, where last month 50 people are massacred by a gunman. Who knows if the strategy will work, if no other mad man will use it as inspiration, but how the media and officials in my country are handling it, is to not show any photos of the killer. Our Primie Minister has vowed to never say his name. The media are focusing on the victims, their stories. The killer has no access to tv, radio or newspapers. The judges have ordered any photos taken of him in court, he is to have his face blurred. You don’t open the news and see his image glaring back at you. His name is never really mentioned an there is no fascination as to why he did what he did. It’s got to at least go some way in helping the victims recover. I can’t imagine being a survivor or family member on these situations and have to deal with the added trauma of seeing and hearing all about the killer/s, and the intense focus on them, instead of the victims.
You have to think that in 1999, school shootings weren’t really a thing that people worried about. The media covered it because it was a big thing that happened, that again, wasn’t a talked about thing to worry about. That being said, media now definitely plays a big part of these tragedies growing. News reports and stuff like that create these monsters because the people that pull this shit off, just want the notoriety. The people that carry out these terrifying acts want to be “famous” and have their name out there. It seems like to them, being a psychotic murderer, is more important. Media needs to stop giving these monsters a platform.
Estela Fernández I agree. But views and clicks and shares, all the things that get media coverage matters more than lives lost. That’s just the way it is. Mental health also plays a big part of these shootings.
Vincent Cuttolo you’re comparing apples to oranges. Sexual assault happens on a much larger scale, unfortunately. If the media covered every rape story, there wouldn’t be anything else on the news.
Using the media as scapegoats is the same as blaming video games or Marilyn Manson to me. As another poster said, Columbine was a shocking event, as the first real school shooting of this era. To me the media has an obligation to report on the school shootings as thoroughly as possible. Do you really think not naming them will stop other school shootings, cause I don't. They're inevitable because any idiot can get guns way to easy. Also America is the most violent country as far as gun deaths go. But the right refuses to do anything about this epidemic aside from thoughts and prayers. We need stringent background checks, stop all the loopholes ect. I would also support having to complete a training course before you can purchase a gun. I say this as Army veteran who owns 12 guns. Finally documentaries and the like are vitally important. They can help you see signs of a future school shooter. You can understand them and their motivations. Then you know what to look for. Finally you can get a psychological profile.
@@patohardoy6224 When did she ever say New Zealand was problem free? she said they handled the shooting so that its about remembering the victims instead of the killer? Every country has different issues, mass shootings generally isn't a problem in New Zealand, however they accept they have massive issues with child abuse and sexual assault.
I think the twisted fascination comes from the unique atmosphere of columbine. E.g taking place in a school library, a place that should be for learning and peace, not blood shed. The fact that there was two killers instead of just one, implying that it was not just some random crazy person. Implying that there was some sanity since what are the chances of two psychopaths being in close proximity to each other. And so an idea of philosophy is spawned. E.g if a tragic event involves more than one perpetrator that indicates a cult or following instead of "some random crazy person". So a reason must be there, an ideology of some kind, but of what? Hatred? its hard to explain..
I agree, I've always found it fascinating that two teens planned this together & were so full of hate/anger/depression that they were willing to kill others & themselves...
Yeah. I wonder how they realised they had the same thoughts. How they trusted each other to say "I wanna shoot up Columbine, dude". I've been really interested in the case since I knew about it.
The fascination comes in becomes it was so highly reported since it was so close to a major city. Also the fact the shooting took roughly an hour and there were two distinct areas of outside the commons and the library. It is the one we always point to when they plan so extensively.
@@danielafernandez8618 It probs started out as a joke to one another, then became dark. Eric actually asked his friend Nate if he wanted to shoot up the school, but Nate said no and was concerned. Eric then claimed he was just joking.
It is disgraceful our teachers are even put into a position where they have to consider taking on the role of SWAT, something that continues to the present time as our schools continue to be soft targets for mass shootings or in Columbine's case a failed mass bombing. With Columbine dozens and dozens of armed professional trained law enforcement officers stood all around the school when it was known, the bullets and screams of anguish were heard via the open 911 call in the library, that kids were being tortured and killed yet ZERO NOT ONE entered that school. When they were done in the library what did they do? They tried very hard to detonated the propane bombs which would have likely resulted in many more innocent people being hurt, wounded or killed - as those officers continued to stand outside yards away. We saw the same thing happen in Parkland. Please: Enough putting pressure on our teachers to be the last line of defense.
No one wants to require teachers to carry in school. The Proposal is simply to allow teachers who happened to be concealed carrier's to do so on school grounds. Having a weapon and some shred of a chance is better than crouching in a crawl space and waiting to be executed. It's not about telling the teachers to go out in the hall and take down the shooter.
It is disgraceful. I 100% agree with you, but the teachers could potentially save a lot of students lives. It’s sad that we have to even think about it and put pressure on teachers now days but unfortunately it’s going to happen again, and keep happening. And a lot of police officers or swat or other officials are not going to go inside until everyone is dead. So I understand what your saying but these teachers could save a lot of lives. And I agree with nascarnut18 100%. Even knowing teachers have a weapon would and could be a possible deterrent. And you know what they say, rather have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have one!!!
@@nascarnut18 Columbine had full time armed officers... In fact, they exchanged gunfire with the shooters. Thurston, Virginia Tech,Oxford, Parkland also had armed officers... having armed people on campus clearly doesnt deter mass shooters.
I cannot believe the anniversary was last Saturday It’s so sad that these young adults compare themselves and look up to the shooters I don’t look up to them I look up to the heroes the people who helped it’s sick last Saturday I know people were dedicating that day to the shooters I dedicated that day to the victims the people who were heroes who helped who risked their lives to save others
It’s sad but I’ve realized that the only schools that are very serious about threats or possible threats of violence are schools that have had a shooting. My high school was extremely serious about any possible threats but it seems to me that the only reason is because we had a shooting at the junior high in 2003 (an eighth grade student brought a handgun to school and shot the principal and then himself while the students congregated in the cafeteria before school started) and most of the teachers and staff had been working for the school district already and remember the shooting and knew the victim. I believe schools lull themselves into a false sense of security because they’ve never experienced the violence and fear firsthand, which is extremely dangerous. It is important to take all threats very seriously and crush possible violence before it gets a chance to happen.
My school is pretty serious about it and there hasn't been any shootings. We have our own officers on the campus walking around. We used to have three entrances and we only have the main one open. We used to be an open campus and now we aren't. They also changed a lot since El Paso incidents, since we are a town full of Mexicans and well the school is full of Mexicans. So, they tighten the security as well. We've received threats not only in schools but also in malls and other stores. Luckly, the men who made those threats were arrested and one actually had weapons. Let's just hope it won't happen to any school.
Prior to the Columbine High School tragedy; a lot of suburban, small town, and rural schools had a mindset of "it can't happen here." The tragedy at Columbine High School caused us to realize that that kind of violence is not confined to troubled inner-city schools.
After stoneman Douglas schools shooting, there were many schools across the US getting threats, the high school I went to was one of them. We’ve never had any sort of weapon violence at that school and I’m glad that they took the threat seriously. There was police at the entrances all day. Also it kind of went around social media so majority of the students didn’t go to school that day.
The problem is tho that the ones who actually do shoot up the schools never threaten to do it first, they just do it. So to your story, to be honest, when someone threatens something of this nature, is the very second I know they wont do shit.
Stop the hate, bullying and PTSD inflicted by teachers and popular fitting in students towards students that aren't popular, disabled, nerds, emo. Everyone deserves the right to feel dignity, respect, love and sense of belonging, but in Schools this is a false hope, a joke when they claim they are anti-bullying.
@@bun04y You can say whatever you wan't, but that doesn't change the fact that THEY WERE BULLYIED. It's been certify by many Columbine students in that time... That doesn't change the fact that both killers had mental disorders, of course, but don't try to change the facts. You need to understand the whole problem to prevent
Everyone who thinks they weren’t bullied believe that Dave Cullen crap. They were definitely bullied. Multiple students at the time have admitted to bullying them. Does that excuse what they did? Of course not. But schools have to stop turning a blind eye to this shit.
I once had a lousy algebra teacher who spent most of the class time just working and then re-working the whatever math problems anybody in our class couldn't fully understand or grasp, even was purposely slow as dead molasses using all sorts of vague terminology in his lectures. He would never even enforce any classroom rules to the point where there was nothing but obnoxious rowdy-ass kids. No, seriously, not a joke. What a total nightmare day after day after day in his class, you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA. But yet, get this--- he really had the balls, and I'm not kidding here, to post a bumper sticker on his classroom door which read "NEA (National Education Association): Providing Quality Education. Geez, and yet they wonder why our school system is so screwed up. Even though that was over 25 years ago, I don't care and I could care less, there's still teachers out there who think they get away with doing a lousy teaching job or who insist on living in their high-horse world of double standards. And yet, you've ALL OF AMERICA'S TEACHERS WHO THINK THEY'RE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS. WHAT A TOTAL CROCK IF THERE EVER WAS ONE, HOW I ENDED HATING HIGH SCHOOL 😠
It’s so odd that police departments consistently don’t investigate these things properly. A kid making an insensitive joke will get them expelled instantly, but a kid making an entire web forum talking about how he loves guns and he wants to kill his classmates, nah it’s just normal teenage angst. It’s so obvious that they could have prevented this, they could have saved so many people, but they just “didn’t feel like it” I guess. I hope things change, but I kinda doubt it.
Yeah and look at that other shooting when they just stayed outside refused to go in and be a hero though most claim that is why they sign up for the job it's not really.
We had two students who were very tempermantal make a list of names, one of them being my brother's who was in their grade. They kept threatening to shoot up the school. They never went on lockdown. We didnt get a phone call about the list until days later. The students were suspended for a week with no further action. When he came to the high school i was a junior. I memorized his schedule so if there was an active shooter, i could get to him and bring him home. I didnt care about my own life. Im graduated now, and my brother is now a junior. The two students are still in his class. I cant fully relax until my brother graduates.
I become less and less impressed with police over time and this story where this father basically handed them one of the shooters from Columbine on a platter furthers my opinion. That entire thing could have been averted had they done their damn job. I've never heard about this story before today. That's sickening.
Tria Stormy you’re still wrong! They had problems with Brooks BEFORE that were rectified before the shooting. Supposedly, they told Brooks to go home when they saw him in the parking lot right before the shooting happened. I’m not convinced that Brooks wasn’t involved.
The fact that there are companies there to stop schools shootings in sad. I am so so lucky to live in a country where shootings rarely happen anywhere.
I wish I did...I’m only 14 though. As soon as I am old enough, I am leaving America. It isn’t peaceful enough for me. We are so divided and violent. Every week, people die in large numbers due to evil.
Its so sad, one of my teachers said that a school she used to teach at had a live fire drill(with blanks obviously) she said it was the scariest thing she had ever experienced. She said that she couldn't even imagine the scariness of a real situation that could happen. I'm only 14 and going to be a freshmen next year. I know the odds are low but I still wonder. What if?
I know this is 2 years late but have a plan graduated 7 years ago I still remember mine. Be aware of all exits and super safe rooms and if you do run out make note of safe buildings outside your school like a church or fast food restaurant or library something that isn't a home (unless designated by your school as a safe house or it's a friend or family members house)
I always thought the ones who talk about it are not going to do anything. I would think people who are going to do something like that would keep it to themselves, especially now.
I hope that one day all of our schools have a program and system in place like this. But honestly 18 minutes response time is a bit long. I think we need a couple officers in each school. The tip line would be an added benefit for concerned students.
I’m so incredibly glad that this video focuses on highlighting the innocent people who were killed and honoring their memory. I know that many of us seek to understand or try to make some sort of sense out of tragedies but I think that unfortunately the focus being put on the monsters who commit these crimes ends up allowing for more attention and deranged adulation to surround the tragedy and overshadowing the people who deserve to be remembered.
FINALLY a legit discussion on the root of the school shooting problem. So sick of hearing "it's the guns!!". Parents don't teach their kids coping skills anymore.
I don't live in the US. But more than 10 years ago, when I was in 9th grade, somebody put a graffiti on one of my school's outside walls, pretty much announcing a shooting. It had a specific date listed as well as a teacher's name that would "die". A classmate saw this graffiti on their way home late one Saturday night, and they told a friend, but didn't think too much about it. That friend however alerted the police, and officers picked up my classmate for questioning. The principal was immediately notified and steps were taken to find out who was behind the graffiti. The threatened teacher got a few days off just to be safe, and the pupils were informed that going to school on the day the supposed shooting was announced to take place on was optional. Nothing happened, and they found the culprit, but it was still scary. I still remember the whole school - pupils and teachers alike - being in disarray for at least a week.
Bullying in schools MUST stop or this will continue...just saying that schools(teachers and administrators) do not STOP unlawful interactions (battery and assaults) !!
I met Brooks at a residence inn about 3 weeks after. I was a guest there. He was waiting to do an interview with a tv show. He asked me if I was FBI. Nice kid. He was pretty shook up...hope is is doing ok ..
I just can't imagine having so much hate as to actually do something like this. It's also really sad that bullying made them do this. I wish they had found help, instead of committing mass murder. RIP all those innocent lives that were lost. We won't forget you.
It’s a mix of hate and mental illness for all races sexuality everything they ethier do it because they want to die and bring others with them or want to know what it is like to do it some are lunatics and want to be like those fucktards
@@user-vt3vo1yd3vdisproven by who? there are tens of official witness reports from CHS students you can find online that confirmed the shooters were being bullied, especially Eric Harris. Students threw excrement at them.
I wish someone would've listened to Mr.Brown, maybe this unfortunate tragedy wouldn't have happened. I remember seeing this on the news and I was so scared to go to school
what is going on at the police dept that these things are not followed up on? I would honestly like to know. Do they need more staff or ? honestly please tell us so we can fix this as a society .
The only way it could have been stopped was to be able to read the shooters minds. Think about all the people you have encountered as long as you have been alive. Are they all really good people? How many of them are sick in the head?
I am not blaming anyone but in many of these cases these people were known to police. People were calling in and warning them. Now that being said obviously the police can only do so much with these sorts of complaints but it is sad to know that many people called the police about these people before the tragedies.
honestly though, what can police really do? "threatening to kill" is an offence (it has to be kill, threatening to shoot a lot of people doesn't count) and the max sentence is 10 years but i don't think that has ever been used. I think there has to be policy, strategy and law changes before the police can really do anything. But that comes with it own set of issues, eg gun laws don't go through because of the constitution, extra surveillance goes against your rights, and ill admit i have no idea if this one is true as i live on the opposite side of the world but it does seem as if their is a fair amount of racial targeting and white Americans aren't seen as threats. Also if having an obsession with death/crime is considered a warning sign, it leaves a pretty big pool of people to check, forensics and crime related degrees are pretty popular
It's not the police department fault, stop blaming cops for things that go wrong. Get right down to the problem bad and can't admit bad parenting. These shooters were raised by in most cases parents. Stop blaming the police they have enough going on.
My middle school had a club called Friends of Rachel in honor of Rachel Scott, one of the Columbine victims. That was our school's introduction to the Columbine shooting, and I was in that club
it’s honestly horrifying being in school in this era because i’m constantly in fear especially with having a sibling around the age of the sandy hook kids and parents around the age of the columbine shooters. it’s so terrifying
Meh, when I talk to military people I also just want to hear the gory stuff. 🤷♀️. I don‘t find anything weird about that, it‘s simply something that is interesting because in daily life you do not get to see stuff like it. And why exactly do you think all these people here are looking up videos about school shootings? Same thing basically, the unknown and unusual is interesting.
It really sucks that Mr. Brown is still having to live with this. I hope all of his dedication will help develop a better response and avoid another senseless tragedy like Columbine.
As a youth support counselor i had a client who was making threats against his school the cops told us they couldnt do anything unless he did it... He never did and was admitted thank god but its frustrating when they tell u to call in a duty to warn and nothing happens.
I know this is old (here after the Uvalde shooting) but this is where red flag laws come into play. By implementing red flag laws, it forces/allows law enforcement to act on those tips to ensure that it was just a red flag and nothing more. After Parkland, the local area implemented them and law enforcement has stopped several shootings (small and large) from happening.
Some people are truly sick. How does a mind begin to find fascination in something so utterly disturbing? It's so sad that we live in a world like this, where it's so normalized to hear of something this horrible and barely flinch.
Seeing the reporters face at 1:40 would make me not want to say what happened. There is always people who don't believe you when you report serious crimes and that is the kind of face they make as you tell them what happened. If you warn an officer something like this is gonna happen and they make that face make sure you tell someone else. People need to listen to teenagers and not belittle their concerns because they are young.
I haven't seen one interview with Eric's parents talking about the incident. I wonder if there are any or they just don't want to talk about it anytime soon
i remember when I was in high school there was this boy who was in the group i was in. He had gone to making a plan to shoot up the school, now his friends were known to cause fights all the time, but when they saw this, they took it to the school officer, telling them that this kid had a plan and a list. He was expelled the next day
1:26 It breaks my heart, Molly, that this happened. There was another male studenr, Aaron Hancey, who made an excellent effort to help your favorite teacher and coach. My gratitude goes to him amd Teresa Miller for trying to keep him alive.
i remember going back to school and from then on till the end of the school year and even into the following year there was bomb scares and .Phone call threats of someone coming to shoot up the school i remember thinking as they marched us out onto the football field .We are basically sitting ducks out in the open if someone wanted to be perched up high some where picking us off .it never happened thank god but it fucks with you psychologically especially as a kid .thinking your invincible and that nothing can take you out
Bullies is one of the root problems in these high school shootings. Parents needs to spend more time teaching children better morals. Please spend more time with your chikdren. Don't just rely on school to raise your kids.
Bullies? Screw that. Kids have been abusive to each other forever. Obviously something else is going on. We have much easier lives now. A breakdown in nuclear families, social media, lack of good role models...
Whenever I read about the shooters, I hate them more and more. The fact that they didn’t just kill people, they *taunted* them. They yelled racial slurs at Isaiah Shoels. They yelled “peek-a-boo” at Cassie Bernall before shooting her point blank with a shotgun. If they had just killed people it could have been argued that they had a psychotic break, they could’ve felt emotionally numb which would make it easier to kill people. But they didn’t do that, they made sure these people suffered before they died, and that’s just a whole new level of evil.
Columbine inspires me, not to repeat the shooters steps. But to know that I’m so lucky to have never been through this. The survivors, the friends of victims, families of victims, inspire me. To protect my loved ones. To see good through bad. To enjoy everything while it lasts. Columbine was truly horrible, the things those teenagers did to their classmates. I wish this situation upon no one, my enemies, my friends, strangers. No one. They lost friends, families, people who inspire you. Cassie Bernall is one person I look up to now. She’s rather die then deny her faith.
I do not believe these shooters are depressed,they have anger,rejection and abusive parents and no feelings of security and verbal abuse and then on th other hand you have evil in the hearts of man.
It was always strange to me that the victims “im assuming” never looked like they even talked, let alone bully or demean either dylan or eric. Yeah they “hated” almost everyone. They didnt target anybody that really bullied or harassed them. Guess none of it makes sense
Exactly. What people fail to realize is that Columbine was never meant to be a school shooting. That was never the shooters intent. It was a failed bombing. You can't get any more indiscriminate than that. The fact that they weren't really targeting any one group per se seems to get lost in all the propaganda the media has spewed about it and other shootings ever since. The shooting was less about gun control and bullying and A LOT more about the mental health of the shooters. And if you look at the mental health of most mass shooters, you will find a disturbed mind is a common thread.
@heatherhillman1 Right. All of these kids had a history of violence well before these shootings happened. It's about being a disturbed individual, wanting infamy, and often wanting the most indiscriminate violence.
Ok and if someone is that determined to get into a school and do this, what is stopping them from shooting the person there to check thier bags and then strolling right on into the school? There has to be multiple armed people there and unfortunately, alot of schools or school districts arent going to want to dish out the extra funds that this type of security costs
No !! How about stop bullying other classmates to the point where they snap !!! You kids need smacked and disciplined !! You can't go around bullying other classmates and expect them to be alright with it !!!
@@donnadreyer2580 not all school shooters are bullied at school though, many have problems at home and have mental health problems. Though I do agree about stopping bullying because I've dealt with that shit before and had a mental breakdown.
"The more we can do to keep kids from being so full of rage that they feel like killing somebody or so depressed that they want to die we are heading in the right direction" this one hit home for me. I wasnt in a school shooting but there was a student in my school who fantasized killing all of us. We all found out when his grandmother found a rifle in his guitar case and found his journals full of plans to murder every student in my school and did the horrible but right thing in turning her own grandson into the police. On top of all this, I knew the guy personally. He sat face-to-face with me at a 4 man table in my U.S. History class junior year and never ever talked. The first time he ever chimed into a conversation was when I was talking to my friend to my right about smoking weed after class and he mentioned he smoked and asked to smoke sometime. I ended up smoking with him twice and once the school year was over I never heard about him until he was behind bars. Anyways, the reason the quote hits home for me so much is I saw that rage to kill when I read his journal entries. And that depression so heavy you want to die is something I struggled with through all of high school and even now (I'm 21, three years removed from high school). I guess what I'm trying to say is that rage to kill isnt something I saw in a lot of people but I can think of hundreds of students at my school who wanted to kill themselves on a daily basis. I knew 3 students that went through with it at the same high school. The rage to kill and the depression to suicide is very very real in today's high schools. There are probably more students that feel that way than feel quote-on-quote "normal" It's a problem and I dont know how to stop it.
Therapy. It's not something for crazy people. Life is hard for everyone and sometimes it's tough to find the right "tool" to fix a current issue in your life that you're facing. Therapy helps you organize your thoughts, find flaws in your logic, break issues down to a more manageable size, ect. That saying, "Life is easy if you let it be" isn't a false statement. The key is knowing how to make that possible and a lot of times it's tough to figure everything out on your own. Try Therapy. Honestly.
It’s crazy to see the warning signs and still nothing was done that could’ve stopped it. It happens in a lot of tragedies. Sad to know that a lot of tragedies could’ve been prevented.
I was coming back from a fire drill with my friends and we were all stuck in the halls ways trying to get back in the doors the teachers just locked. Just then my friend whispered to me “It would be so easy to kill everyone right now, the school system is so broken, just one gun or one grenade” Right then I jokingly got on the wall and nervously laughed Then I went to go get “Water” and then sneaked in the class through the second door Should I report him or leave it be?
All I can say is the school district attended my my niece and nephew completely ignore physical bullying. So are they going to do something about verbal threats? I hardly think so.
I'm a sophmore now, but when I was in 7th grade a boy in the grade above me planned a school shooting and brought a gun. Luckily he was stupid enough to tell some friends, who told friends, and the school found out the night prior. I remember only about 1/3 of us showed up to school the next morning, and the school was surrounded by police. The student was taken into custody - and failed a mental health exam.
Years later police still fail to investigate serious threats and put people in danger. Same thing happened w the Stoneman douglas shooter. It's just heartbreaking.
As a student at a school, I once heard a fellow student say "I can do a school shooting to get better at it" and that alarmed me. I still don't know if he was intending to do it but I did not want to feel responsible for innocent lives lost. So I straight away told a teacher so that a school shooting (if he was going to do it) would not happen. He spent the day in the principals office and I am still terrified of that.
Mr. Brown it's not your fault...you did your job ..the police and teachers let them kids down
How, exactly?
@@ortuignis3782 I read that Mr. Randy Brown did report Eric Harris to the police for Eric's website (talking about death, weapons in general, saying he has access to weapons and threats to kill Brooks Brown) before the mass shooting happened and the cops didn't do anything about it. The only teacher that I've read about so far helping alot of kids hide that day was Mr.Sanders
@@leenahancock8056 Pattie Nielsen did it too. She stayed with her students instead of running away. Majority of teachers tried to help and that's why just a few ones died.
You can tell that it's really been eating away at him over the years.
Before the shooting, one of the teachers also confronted one of the shooters parents about a story they wrote in English class containing a lot of graphic descriptions on murder and the parent just dropped it saying 'Kids Will Be Kids' and then after the shooting said that the teachers didn't do anything 😕.
The people who were trying to do something and change the outcome were just being ignored both by the police and by the parents.
Brooks Brown's dad still seems affected and he didn't even lose his son. Had the police further investigated Harris when the Brown's notified them all of this could have indeed been prevented
Good point. Maybe sometimes it really can't be prevented and there is nothing to do. Depends on the individual's intelligence and skills. Dylan and Eric were always described as bright young men
You don't know that! These kids were hell bent on doing this...it would have been a matter of time is all.
The only way we would know if it could be prevented is if the reports were taken seriously by LE!
Debra P Harris was o. Probation at the time. His website said he made the bomb that was at a local park. So if the police investigated him and searched his room for more bomb making equipment they would of found his plans for the school bombing they had planned.
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Yet he was the only one who did exactly what he had to do, he saw a threat and reported it. There isn’t anything more he could have done.
Damn, Eric harris asked a Vietnam vet if he killed anyone and if he saw anyone die???? Jesus.... that is the golden question you never ask a vet. That is a a major sign of a disturbed mind if you ask me.
I always ask vets how many civilians they've murdered
John Rotten hey there, awesome comment you've made here. Totally agree with you, actually quite disrespectful too if you ask me!
Sais the guy watching videos about kids being killed.
I asked my dad and he had to answer and he could not get angry because it’s a fact. You have to live with it. Sometimes even murder is the least they’ve done
Cini minis There’s a difference between wanting to know how it feels to kill someone and watch them die and wanting to learn about a massive American tragedy.
At 3:51, Randy Brown couldn’t of been more right, school shootings have gotten worse, especially when you hear about first graders being killed.
Vincent Cuttolo no he still believes it it’s just that now with the law suits and everything against him for even saying that he’s been afraid to ever utter otherwise.
Vincent Cuttolo I couldn’t agree with you more!
@Vincent Cuttolo i am not an Alex Jones fan but after Epstein, idk he could be right on some things
@Vincent Cuttolo international ring of pedophiles/traficars of high ranking politicians is not really a mistake to guess
damn
“One of 40 shootings around the world since Columbine”
and one of 40 shootings in the United States since last weekend...
I think they want 40 of the shootings that happened because they were influenced by Columbine. But dude that statement is hella scary
@Chase Robbins *meant
There’s been 240 school shootings since columbine. They just meant there’s been 40 where the shooters mentioned columbine as a motivation.
the fact i laughed is sad.
Can you not
We had a kid who had a “list”. He was prepping, and once word got out of his list, people were “nice” to him. Then the school got involved. He was never arrested - still attended school. Nothing happened though. This was in 2008. It still scares me to this day, as I was on the “list”, because he listed - “all cheerleaders”, even though I was friends/aquatinted with him.
I can't imagine. Thank God you and every one else are safe! God definitely had your side ❤
💚🥺
I remember we had a kid who was clearly abused at home, his mom was banned from school property for her aggressive outbursts. The kid was filthy and he would sit in class self-harming. Shoving thumbtacks into his body or stapling his hands/arms. He would follow girls home, threatening them and then he even made up a hit list. All the school did was have a meeting with all of the other kids telling us not to antagonize him because he was dangerous. We were so lucky he didn’t kill any of us.
This kid Adam at my school, my buddy Corban got in a bad fight with him over summer
It sucks cuz Adam said these words on TikTok
"Corban and all his friends, on the first day of seventh grade, I will bring a Gerber Survival knife to school, and stab every one of you until I'm satisfied."
My school said he couldn't come back and nobody else would take him, he had to move to Arizona
@@ash3227 ok, I’m not condoning school shooting in any way, and i may be getting a little off topic but since you provided a little background information then i will say i feel bad for the kid. It’s not his fault that he was the way he was. You said he was filthy makes me think he was possibly neglected and abused at home. I blame the parents and in that situation, Like how bad is someone’s tempter that they get banned from school property? You have a kid who’s self harming in class and the school just looks the other way?? God only knows what went on behind closed doors at his house.
the fact that the police still don't effectively investigate threats like this until after people die is sickening
Because they are only taught to do their job for 6 months before being booted out to do it.
You don t query a racist untill he rapes. Fact
Its the republicans version of population control thats all. Get them while their young.
that's a lie though. The police stops multiple school shootings before they start, quit the lying
@@signeCS tell that to the kids in sandy hook, parkland, and columbine
I feel for Randy Brown. It's so frustrating when you see a potential problem, report it to the proper authorities, and then watch them drop the ball. in his case, with devastating consequences though.
He did everything right, but no one cared enough to listen to him it seems. I really feel for the guy, he probably has survivors guilt and thinks he could’ve stopped it somehow.
They dropped the ball again responding to the shooting by "establishing a perimeter to contain the damage" rather than neutralizing the threat as quickly as possible. They basically waited outside while gunshots were going off in the school.
@@AM-ry8is what would you want them to do? No crimes had been committed
@@paleo704 what? I'm talking about during the shooting.
The dad has way more guilt than Eric's mom Sue does
People need to take time to care about their mental health a little
psychopaths can't be helped.
Niether of them were psychopaths, and yes , psychopaths can be helped.
Well most school shootings is cause by bullying
@@MrParkerman6 I'm reporting you because you're groomed
@@lxcidparadox3513 no bullies like the jocks columbine had weren't the psychos
she didn't say it was Eric that asked her father all those questions, but I can tell it was Eric.
@@laurenmacneill9551 Same. Although, I wish they had known years ago that the constant mention of their names and broadcast of their faces would glamorize them to disturbed people and sadly inspire copy-cats for decades. I am glad the media now strives to stifle the fame and notoriety such killers desire.
@@AvecPoesie THEY WERE CHILDREN
@@laurenmacneill9551 THEY WERE CHILDREN SO IT’S PATHETIC.
@@laurenmacneill9551 should be, the murderes :)
It was Eric
A kid literally came up to me and told me I was on his hit list and that he was going to shoot up the school so I emailed my principal and nothing happened and people just kinda told me I was being rude, so even if he did do something my warning would’ve meant nothing.
He will...
Be very careful that's not a joke that's a direct threat
@@kguac9028 No, it's a joke.
That’s crazy, stay safe and aware
@@natalee217 No, it's cool.
Yes, let’s make it the responsibility of LITERAL CHILDREN to prevent school shootings.
RealityBytes I understand what you’re saying and I definitely agree it’s students job to get their education, but I feel like people need to encourage children to speak up, about threats and not brush it off and think it’s just a joke. We need to stop shaming people and calling them sensitive or they can’t take a joke.
Hi welcome To chili’s this is literally a common theme amongst shooting communities. Adults refuse to take responsibility, refuse to train teachers to identify signs, and then they blame the shooter’s peers for either not being friends with him or for not reporting him. And even if you do report someone for threats, there’s very literal protection for you if the person you reported decides to retaliate.
RealityBytes oh believe me I know, sometimes the police or others won’t investigate. I was just saying that most of the people that talked about the shooters say, “we thought he was joking”, “we didn’t think he would do it”, it’s never the victims fault, It wasn’t their fault at all.
Yes. The literal children are also the killers so
And
Mr brown is correct.nmost schools and poloce have learned nothing. Parkland is an example.20 years later and the ball was still dropped by the school and the police . such a shame.
ms Marla how can the school do anything really? prevent bullying? You can't. And not in real life either. No. We need to teach our kids at home not be little assholes, that bullying someone is WRONG, that people are different and some are even CRAZY and SAD enough in their life to ACT on their morbid feelings! Tell me what kind of program you want the police and schools to do to protect people from their own selves!
Madison Stevenson If you can't bring your kids up respectfully and teach not to bully anyone then you shouldn't be allowed kids.. There's one way of helping. Also not getting drunk around them and influencing them to be like you
"Poloce"
Because people wanna ignore the fact that there’s too many people out here who have access to military style guns. Best believe politics is behind all of this
Ha!
I’m sick and tired of Randy Brown feeling like it was his fault, it was all the police, they had the library door open listening to kids being murdered, had they gone into the school, so much trauma could’ve been prevented
I know, I feel so bad for him. He did everything he could, the police and school administration failed those kids, Randy cared so much for the students and it shows. I just want to hug him, seeing his eyes water just from talking about it makes me so sad.
Trauma and deaths. Absolute bs!
At the time of this event, standard procedure was too surround the building and attempt to contact the assailants and negotiate a solution. Procedures changed dramatically afterwards. Officers now enter the building and move towards the shooter(s) and neutralize the threat. Acting on warning signs can always be improved.
@Christopher Meisner the police were right outside the propped open library emergency exit when the rampage was going on. They were 15 feet away, listening to the rampage, and they did nothing because it was policy at the time to secure a perimeter as opposed to engage shooters.
@@alperdue2704Yeah, sure. So why all the body armor and tactics for close quarter engagement? Seems to me they wanted to let it play out. Like they got an order not to enter and engage.
Brooks is lucky to have such amazing parents.
Brooks was a lucky guy that day. According to several accounts, he encountered Eric Harris that morning just before the shooting started and Harris told him to go home.
@@heatherhillman1 Brooks himself said that he cussed Eric out because he missed a test
Given that he hung out with the likes of Eric and Dylan, I still side-eye him.
In the basement tapes which I saw , Eric names Brooks again and again and laughs like a lunatic
@@aamirscorpio7309 Yeah, right. Liar.
A 17 year old student in a high school in my city is facing up to 10 years for making a joke about shooting up his school
Lilo Lilo 10 years for making a joke?! There's got to be more to the story.
Luke Lemire right!!. Alternative school, probation, juvie or something. 10 years is excessive for a joke unless he came to school with a gun or something.
Most of the time when someone makes a joke about that they will only be placed in a psychiatric ward temporarily. About a week or so
Lilo Lilo lol he is my hero
Luke Lemire There’s absolutely more to it definitely! Just like with Sol Pais
Sometimes I find myself reading about victims of school shootings, and every time I am reduced to tears. Daniel Mauser was one of the victims of columbine, he looks eerily similar to a friend of mine. Doing this reminds me it can happen anywhere and to anyone, violence isn’t always selective.
Daniel Mauser stuck to me for some reason. i’m trying to learn the most i can about his life (before i learn the lives of the other victims) and he reminds me of my sibling. the fact that he had a sister absolutely breaks my heart. he was so brave, it’s absolutely deviating.
@@user-rt8oi8ot7z He even got up to try to tackle Eric, but sadly failed and was killed, but at least he died trying to save lives.
yes! he looks exactly like my best friend and knowing what happened to him breaks my heart and every time i see a photo of him my eyes fill with tears, he looked like such a sweet and kind hearted boy who had great potential in the future which was unfortunately taken away by eric harris. rip❤
@@MustacheCashStash125not true, he was shot in the hand and pushed a chair which ultimately cost him his life, his dad has cleared this up many times.
Randy Brown needs his own documentary. 2 hours long. You would learn more than any Cullen book.
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Agreed
WRONG. The Browns are all insane and projecting their insecurities onto the case.
1:40 why is the interviewer making that face?
No but why dos the guy at 6:10 why is he's smiling though
What’s wrong with the face
@@Elizabeth-em2zw he's not smiling it's just the way his mouth is
it is called b-roll. look it up. If any of you think that it was filmed at the same time as the interview, then you all know nothing about video production.
@@Elizabeth-em2zw Botox excess
I was a junior in HS, in '99. The massacre at Columbine changed the world forever. Had the police actually done their jobs, when the Brown's contacted them, this could've possibly been avoided. We will never know. Now, today, if you feel something is wrong with someone...SAY SOMETHING! Pay attention to your kids! You could be wrong, but you could be right & SAVE LIVES.
It’s crazy to think about how one small event can affect/change history so drastically. If the police had only taken Randy/Brooks Brown’s reports seriously, they probably could have stopped the tragedy and prevented so many more like it. If that had happened, and Columbine never happened, would many more of the other school shootings have happened? Crazy to think about how that one little incident could have changed things. I think this is what has led Randy Brown to his intense studying of the incident.
@Tomjo5 no it didn’t have to happen it was allowed to happen
Small event ???
It is human nature to go on a rampage.
@@cristianm7097 u need help
How would it have stopped ? What would have stopped it ?
Mr. Brown it’s not your fault, you did the best you could do. The cops were the ones to let down the community, not you. Your a good man with a wonderful heart. God Bless you.
I remember one time in high school I was in study hall with a friend who told me he was hired as a hitman once and that he liked to burn bodies in the woods. He didn’t follow up with “Just kidding!” or “Don’t worry, I was being sarcastic.” He looked and sounded completely serious-even nonchalant, as if these were totally normal activities to be interested in! I discreetly excused myself and reported him through the proper channels, and to their credit, my school admins took the situation seriously and acted swiftly. He went to hospital for a while before coming back to school, but from then on I avoided him because I was afraid he’d retaliate. He never did, but I kept my guard up.
I’m telling this story as an example of when I had to report someone I was concerned about. I wasn’t trying to get my friend in trouble; I just wanted him to get some help, and I knew comments like that were too serious in nature to be left unaddressed, even if they were said as a joke and even if there was a risk of him getting mad at me. If someone you know seems to have an unhealthy fascination with death/killing/violence in general, or talks calmly about committing violent acts, or even if something just seems off about them, it’s best to speak up, even if you’re unsure whether they’re serious or even if they insist they’re joking, because healthy minds don’t go there.
You did exactly the right thing and for the right reason. And I hope he gets the help he needs.
Very brave!
I think he was having a schizophrenic episode.
In 2006, I was in 6th grade when I first heard about the tragedy. One of the girls killed was Rachel Joy Scott and he book brought tears to my eyes. I remember it was a tracing of her hand saying"These hands belong to Rachel Joy Scott and one day I hope they can touch the hearts of people all over the world" so sad. God bless to the survivors. I remember signing the big poster for "Rachel's Challenge" and thousands of students besides me as well.
Rachel's challenge was how I heard about it too, also in 06. She was an angel before and after death.. And I aspire to be like she was in life to this day.
Z Shake it’s funny
@@courtneygrier2015 that whole challenge is based on a lie.
She never said yes. It’s touching but not accurate. Valeen Schnurr was the one who said yes.
26michaeluk what do you mean? Can someone educate me on that never heard of Rachel’s challenge
I live in Littleton, bout to graduate from a different high school. Every year when the anniversary comes around, kids joke around about the tragedy. Teenagers out here do not take it seriously. Really sad if you ask me.
My question had always been, in regards to the 'school shooting drills' we have twice a year, is... If they had these drills 20 years ago at Columbine, how would it have ended? When the 2 shooters were also students, and also had to endure the school shooting drills? They would have known what the plan was, they would have known where to go and what the procedure was in the classroom so it's not like it would have thwarted any thought they had to follow through with their plan.
Robert Eagleton lol
Robert Eagleton EXACTLY YOU GENIUS! As stupid as it seems it’s like having a double agent. Even if they didn’t they know that kids are just told to hid under tables? Well I’m sorry to break it to authorities but tables aren’t bulletproof.
Very interesting thought. I was a graduate of ‘99 and school policy was very loosey goosey at the time. Imagine if those two fuckers knew exactly where students would be going and how to exploit it. They were already very well planned. It’d have been like giving them blueprints. I never thought of it like that.
Holy shit man who would joke about something like that?
@@flaviuscountry You went to Columbine?
Some images stay with you...Dave Sanders on that grainy tape reacting so logically and deliberately to save lives that day...
The image I remember the most is that no good worthless SWAT team lingering outside the school for hours. Had just one of them had any guts, the teacher might still be alive.
itseemedtoher What grainy tape?
I hate that his name is unknown but Dylan and Eric are known by all Americans. It’s disgusting that he is forgotten but his murderers have fans and sympathizers. RIP Dave Sanders, he deserved so much better, and I hope he rests easy knowing that he saved so many kids from being slaughtered.
“The kid in the window”
Don't bully people. Now people know harassing the weird kids isn't a good idea but they still do it
No, it’s don’t be a murdering psychopath.
@@missblackwood nah, treat others the way you want to be treated, didn't your mother teach you basic social skills?
Meavo100 As someone who has been trying to embody that mantra their entire life, why can’t it be both? Treat others the way you want to be treated, but let’s not pretend this was even a remotely rational reaction.
The media a HUGE role to play in this, and a huge responsibility. FAR to much focus is on the killers. Too many documentaries. The killers are glorky, plain and simple. I live in nz, where last month 50 people are massacred by a gunman. Who knows if the strategy will work, if no other mad man will use it as inspiration, but how the media and officials in my country are handling it, is to not show any photos of the killer. Our Primie Minister has vowed to never say his name. The media are focusing on the victims, their stories. The killer has no access to tv, radio or newspapers. The judges have ordered any photos taken of him in court, he is to have his face blurred. You don’t open the news and see his image glaring back at you. His name is never really mentioned an there is no fascination as to why he did what he did. It’s got to at least go some way in helping the victims recover. I can’t imagine being a survivor or family member on these situations and have to deal with the added trauma of seeing and hearing all about the killer/s, and the intense focus on them, instead of the victims.
You have to think that in 1999, school shootings weren’t really a thing that people worried about. The media covered it because it was a big thing that happened, that again, wasn’t a talked about thing to worry about. That being said, media now definitely plays a big part of these tragedies growing. News reports and stuff like that create these monsters because the people that pull this shit off, just want the notoriety. The people that carry out these terrifying acts want to be “famous” and have their name out there. It seems like to them, being a psychotic murderer, is more important. Media needs to stop giving these monsters a platform.
Estela Fernández I agree. But views and clicks and shares, all the things that get media coverage matters more than lives lost. That’s just the way it is. Mental health also plays a big part of these shootings.
Vincent Cuttolo you’re comparing apples to oranges. Sexual assault happens on a much larger scale, unfortunately. If the media covered every rape story, there wouldn’t be anything else on the news.
Using the media as scapegoats is the same as blaming video games or Marilyn Manson to me. As another poster said, Columbine was a shocking event, as the first real school shooting of this era. To me the media has an obligation to report on the school shootings as thoroughly as possible. Do you really think not naming them will stop other school shootings, cause I don't. They're inevitable because any idiot can get guns way to easy.
Also America is the most violent country as far as gun deaths go. But the right refuses to do anything about this epidemic aside from thoughts and prayers. We need stringent background checks, stop all the loopholes ect. I would also support having to complete a training course before you can purchase a gun. I say this as Army veteran who owns 12 guns.
Finally documentaries and the like are vitally important. They can help you see signs of a future school shooter. You can understand them and their motivations. Then you know what to look for. Finally you can get a psychological profile.
@@patohardoy6224 When did she ever say New Zealand was problem free? she said they handled the shooting so that its about remembering the victims instead of the killer?
Every country has different issues, mass shootings generally isn't a problem in New Zealand, however they accept they have massive issues with child abuse and sexual assault.
I think the twisted fascination comes from the unique atmosphere of columbine. E.g taking place in a school library, a place that should be for learning and peace, not blood shed. The fact that there was two killers instead of just one, implying that it was not just some random crazy person. Implying that there was some sanity since what are the chances of two psychopaths being in close proximity to each other. And so an idea of philosophy is spawned. E.g if a tragic event involves more than one perpetrator that indicates a cult or following instead of "some random crazy person". So a reason must be there, an ideology of some kind, but of what? Hatred?
its hard to explain..
I agree, I've always found it fascinating that two teens planned this together & were so full of hate/anger/depression that they were willing to kill others & themselves...
Yeah. I wonder how they realised they had the same thoughts. How they trusted each other to say "I wanna shoot up Columbine, dude". I've been really interested in the case since I knew about it.
@@danielafernandez8618 me too
The fascination comes in becomes it was so highly reported since it was so close to a major city. Also the fact the shooting took roughly an hour and there were two distinct areas of outside the commons and the library. It is the one we always point to when they plan so extensively.
@@danielafernandez8618 It probs started out as a joke to one another, then became dark. Eric actually asked his friend Nate if he wanted to shoot up the school, but Nate said no and was concerned. Eric then claimed he was just joking.
It is disgraceful our teachers are even put into a position where they have to consider taking on the role of SWAT, something that continues to the present time as our schools continue to be soft targets for mass shootings or in Columbine's case a failed mass bombing. With Columbine dozens and dozens of armed professional trained law enforcement officers stood all around the school when it was known, the bullets and screams of anguish were heard via the open 911 call in the library, that kids were being tortured and killed yet ZERO NOT ONE entered that school. When they were done in the library what did they do? They tried very hard to detonated the propane bombs which would have likely resulted in many more innocent people being hurt, wounded or killed - as those officers continued to stand outside yards away. We saw the same thing happen in Parkland. Please: Enough putting pressure on our teachers to be the last line of defense.
No one wants to require teachers to carry in school. The Proposal is simply to allow teachers who happened to be concealed carrier's to do so on school grounds. Having a weapon and some shred of a chance is better than crouching in a crawl space and waiting to be executed. It's not about telling the teachers to go out in the hall and take down the shooter.
It is disgraceful. I 100% agree with you, but the teachers could potentially save a lot of students lives. It’s sad that we have to even think about it and put pressure on teachers now days but unfortunately it’s going to happen again, and keep happening. And a lot of police officers or swat or other officials are not going to go inside until everyone is dead. So I understand what your saying but these teachers could save a lot of lives. And I agree with nascarnut18 100%. Even knowing teachers have a weapon would and could be a possible deterrent. And you know what they say, rather have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have one!!!
@@nascarnut18 Columbine had full time armed officers... In fact, they exchanged gunfire with the shooters.
Thurston, Virginia Tech,Oxford, Parkland also had armed officers...
having armed people on campus clearly doesnt deter mass shooters.
I cannot believe the anniversary was last Saturday It’s so sad that these young adults compare themselves and look up to the shooters I don’t look up to them I look up to the heroes the people who helped it’s sick last Saturday I know people were dedicating that day to the shooters I dedicated that day to the victims the people who were heroes who helped who risked their lives to save others
It relies on us at home first to watch our kids, friends. But when we try and police fail, its hard.
@1 2 Really? Are you the punctuation police?
I was born 3 years after Columbine and yes it's sad.
People look up to serial killers and mass murders as hero’s and idols. It’s disgusting
It’s sad but I’ve realized that the only schools that are very serious about threats or possible threats of violence are schools that have had a shooting.
My high school was extremely serious about any possible threats but it seems to me that the only reason is because we had a shooting at the junior high in 2003 (an eighth grade student brought a handgun to school and shot the principal and then himself while the students congregated in the cafeteria before school started) and most of the teachers and staff had been working for the school district already and remember the shooting and knew the victim.
I believe schools lull themselves into a false sense of security because they’ve never experienced the violence and fear firsthand, which is extremely dangerous. It is important to take all threats very seriously and crush possible violence before it gets a chance to happen.
My schools pretty serious about it and we haven't had a shooting (let's hope we never do)
My school is pretty serious about it and there hasn't been any shootings. We have our own officers on the campus walking around. We used to have three entrances and we only have the main one open. We used to be an open campus and now we aren't. They also changed a lot since El Paso incidents, since we are a town full of Mexicans and well the school is full of Mexicans. So, they tighten the security as well. We've received threats not only in schools but also in malls and other stores. Luckly, the men who made those threats were arrested and one actually had weapons. Let's just hope it won't happen to any school.
Prior to the Columbine High School tragedy; a lot of suburban, small town, and rural schools had a mindset of "it can't happen here." The tragedy at Columbine High School caused us to realize that that kind of violence is not confined to troubled inner-city schools.
After stoneman Douglas schools shooting, there were many schools across the US getting threats, the high school I went to was one of them. We’ve never had any sort of weapon violence at that school and I’m glad that they took the threat seriously. There was police at the entrances all day. Also it kind of went around social media so majority of the students didn’t go to school that day.
The problem is tho that the ones who actually do shoot up the schools never threaten to do it first, they just do it. So to your story, to be honest, when someone threatens something of this nature, is the very second I know they wont do shit.
i remember this as if it was yesterday; my heart and condolences go out to the families.
I hope the survivors of this tragic event has found peace.
Lori: what an awesome report you put together. What a skilled journalist you are!!!!
How do you react to a crime like this? its just heartbreaking on so many levels.
Stop the hate, bullying and PTSD inflicted by teachers and popular fitting in students towards students that aren't popular, disabled, nerds, emo. Everyone deserves the right to feel dignity, respect, love and sense of belonging, but in Schools this is a false hope, a joke when they claim they are anti-bullying.
It has actually been proven that Erik and Dylan were not being bullied, but were bullies. They were not part of the trench coat mafia.
So true man
@@bun04y You can say whatever you wan't, but that doesn't change the fact that THEY WERE BULLYIED. It's been certify by many Columbine students in that time... That doesn't change the fact that both killers had mental disorders, of course, but don't try to change the facts. You need to understand the whole problem to prevent
Everyone who thinks they weren’t bullied believe that Dave Cullen crap. They were definitely bullied. Multiple students at the time have admitted to bullying them. Does that excuse what they did? Of course not. But schools have to stop turning a blind eye to this shit.
Pato Hardoy, hard to believe that they were bullied when they didn’t retaliate in any way toward their bullies....🤔
Randy Brown definitely has a point!
"Schools develop well-trained threat assessment teams." LOL America you pay your poor teachers peanuts.
You right
My school doesn't even have sanitary water, why tf would we have assessment teams? :///
Maybe that's cuz the teachers suck. I've never met ONE teacher that was any good at their job.
swnist since teachers get paid less than bin men and for me I’m glad
I once had a lousy algebra teacher who spent most of the class time just working and then re-working the whatever math problems anybody in our class couldn't fully understand or grasp, even was purposely slow as dead molasses using all sorts of vague terminology in his lectures. He would never even enforce any classroom rules to the point where there was nothing but obnoxious rowdy-ass kids. No, seriously, not a joke. What a total nightmare day after day after day in his class, you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA. But yet, get this--- he really had the balls, and I'm not kidding here, to post a bumper sticker on his classroom door which read "NEA (National Education Association): Providing Quality Education. Geez, and yet they wonder why our school system is so screwed up. Even though that was over 25 years ago, I don't care and I could care less, there's still teachers out there who think they get away with doing a lousy teaching job or who insist on living in their high-horse world of double standards. And yet, you've ALL OF AMERICA'S TEACHERS WHO THINK THEY'RE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS. WHAT A TOTAL CROCK IF THERE EVER WAS ONE, HOW I ENDED HATING HIGH SCHOOL 😠
@@connor_exehasstoppedworkin8749 The high-school I went to had cockroaches, big ones.
The police really seem to like to fail to investigate things properly...
It’s so odd that police departments consistently don’t investigate these things properly. A kid making an insensitive joke will get them expelled instantly, but a kid making an entire web forum talking about how he loves guns and he wants to kill his classmates, nah it’s just normal teenage angst. It’s so obvious that they could have prevented this, they could have saved so many people, but they just “didn’t feel like it” I guess. I hope things change, but I kinda doubt it.
Yeah and look at that other shooting when they just stayed outside refused to go in and be a hero though most claim that is why they sign up for the job it's not really.
Why is it so hard to figure out that bullying is what drives these school shootings?
pulseimages they want to do anything else to cover it. Bullyings everywhere. Heck these authorities are bullies.
We had two students who were very tempermantal make a list of names, one of them being my brother's who was in their grade. They kept threatening to shoot up the school. They never went on lockdown. We didnt get a phone call about the list until days later. The students were suspended for a week with no further action.
When he came to the high school i was a junior. I memorized his schedule so if there was an active shooter, i could get to him and bring him home. I didnt care about my own life. Im graduated now, and my brother is now a junior. The two students are still in his class. I cant fully relax until my brother graduates.
I become less and less impressed with police over time and this story where this father basically handed them one of the shooters from Columbine on a platter furthers my opinion. That entire thing could have been averted had they done their damn job. I've never heard about this story before today. That's sickening.
Police officers are only giving 6 months of training before they are booted out to the world
I STILL think Brooks knows more than what he is saying
How when he was on the list to die?
@@autriajones-hurst9853 if he was on the kill list then why was he told by eric to go home just before they started shooting?
@@_Megan4321 go back and watch other documentaries he was on a kill list the cops ignored
Tria Stormy actually, the pair let him go :)
Tria Stormy you’re still wrong! They had problems with Brooks BEFORE that were rectified before the shooting. Supposedly, they told Brooks to go home when they saw him in the parking lot right before the shooting happened. I’m not convinced that Brooks wasn’t involved.
“They had expressed a desire to hurt others and had access to weapons. That enough to be a valid threat.” 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
The fact that there are companies there to stop schools shootings in sad. I am so so lucky to live in a country where shootings rarely happen anywhere.
Rozzie6 mind if I ask where you live?
I wish I did...I’m only 14 though. As soon as I am old enough, I am leaving America. It isn’t peaceful enough for me. We are so divided and violent. Every week, people die in large numbers due to evil.
Its so sad, one of my teachers said that a school she used to teach at had a live fire drill(with blanks obviously) she said it was the scariest thing she had ever experienced. She said that she couldn't even imagine the scariness of a real situation that could happen. I'm only 14 and going to be a freshmen next year. I know the odds are low but I still wonder.
What if?
I hope you're doing well now in 2022 😘
I know this is 2 years late but have a plan graduated 7 years ago I still remember mine. Be aware of all exits and super safe rooms and if you do run out make note of safe buildings outside your school like a church or fast food restaurant or library something that isn't a home (unless designated by your school as a safe house or it's a friend or family members house)
🙏 mental health needs to be taken seriously rip to those who were lost
Piss you mean
I always thought the ones who talk about it are not going to do anything. I would think people who are going to do something like that would keep it to themselves, especially now.
I hope that one day all of our schools have a program and system in place like this. But honestly 18 minutes response time is a bit long. I think we need a couple officers in each school. The tip line would be an added benefit for concerned students.
I’m so incredibly glad that this video focuses on highlighting the innocent people who were killed and honoring their memory. I know that many of us seek to understand or try to make some sort of sense out of tragedies but I think that unfortunately the focus being put on the monsters who commit these crimes ends up allowing for more attention and deranged adulation to surround the tragedy and overshadowing the people who deserve to be remembered.
FINALLY a legit discussion on the root of the school shooting problem. So sick of hearing "it's the guns!!". Parents don't teach their kids coping skills anymore.
More please !
This is a breath of fresh air
I don't live in the US. But more than 10 years ago, when I was in 9th grade, somebody put a graffiti on one of my school's outside walls, pretty much announcing a shooting. It had a specific date listed as well as a teacher's name that would "die". A classmate saw this graffiti on their way home late one Saturday night, and they told a friend, but didn't think too much about it. That friend however alerted the police, and officers picked up my classmate for questioning. The principal was immediately notified and steps were taken to find out who was behind the graffiti. The threatened teacher got a few days off just to be safe, and the pupils were informed that going to school on the day the supposed shooting was announced to take place on was optional. Nothing happened, and they found the culprit, but it was still scary.
I still remember the whole school - pupils and teachers alike - being in disarray for at least a week.
Bullying in schools MUST stop or this will continue...just saying that schools(teachers and administrators) do not STOP unlawful interactions (battery and assaults) !!
I met Brooks at a residence inn about 3 weeks after. I was a guest there. He was waiting to do an interview with a tv show. He asked me if I was FBI. Nice kid. He was pretty shook up...hope is is doing ok ..
I just can't imagine having so much hate as to actually do something like this. It's also really sad that bullying made them do this. I wish they had found help, instead of committing mass murder.
RIP all those innocent lives that were lost. We won't forget you.
It’s a mix of hate and mental illness for all races sexuality everything they ethier do it because they want to die and bring others with them or want to know what it is like to do it some are lunatics and want to be like those fucktards
Bullying didn’t make them do this, that narrative was disproven 20+ years ago, please quit fueling lies. they were bullies, they were not bullied.
@@user-vt3vo1yd3vthey were definitely bullied and made fun of by jocks.
@@user-vt3vo1yd3vdisproven by who? there are tens of official witness reports from CHS students you can find online that confirmed the shooters were being bullied, especially Eric Harris. Students threw excrement at them.
So weird seeing in the beginning the school I went to dealing with this. Luckily it was ended before we lost anyone.
I wish someone would've listened to Mr.Brown, maybe this unfortunate tragedy wouldn't have happened. I remember seeing this on the news and I was so scared to go to school
Are you, listening, Michigan?
what is going on at the police dept that these things are not followed up on? I would honestly like to know. Do they need more staff or ? honestly please tell us so we can fix this as a society .
@Justin Time they should've been in jail way before that though.
The only way it could have been stopped was to be able to read the shooters minds. Think about all the people you have encountered as long as you have been alive. Are they all really good people? How many of them are sick in the head?
I am not blaming anyone but in many of these cases these people were known to police. People were calling in and warning them. Now that being said obviously the police can only do so much with these sorts of complaints but it is sad to know that many people called the police about these people before the tragedies.
honestly though, what can police really do? "threatening to kill" is an offence (it has to be kill, threatening to shoot a lot of people doesn't count) and the max sentence is 10 years but i don't think that has ever been used. I think there has to be policy, strategy and law changes before the police can really do anything. But that comes with it own set of issues, eg gun laws don't go through because of the constitution, extra surveillance goes against your rights, and ill admit i have no idea if this one is true as i live on the opposite side of the world but it does seem as if their is a fair amount of racial targeting and white Americans aren't seen as threats.
Also if having an obsession with death/crime is considered a warning sign, it leaves a pretty big pool of people to check, forensics and crime related degrees are pretty popular
It's not the police department fault, stop blaming cops for things that go wrong. Get right down to the problem bad and can't admit bad parenting. These shooters were raised by in most cases parents. Stop blaming the police they have enough going on.
My middle school had a club called Friends of Rachel in honor of Rachel Scott, one of the Columbine victims. That was our school's introduction to the Columbine shooting, and I was in that club
What was It about
It. Could. Have. Been. Stopped. School. Shootings. Can. Be. Stopped. Thank you, man
it’s honestly horrifying being in school in this era because i’m constantly in fear especially with having a sibling around the age of the sandy hook kids and parents around the age of the columbine shooters. it’s so terrifying
Meh, when I talk to military people I also just want to hear the gory stuff. 🤷♀️. I don‘t find anything weird about that, it‘s simply something that is interesting because in daily life you do not get to see stuff like it. And why exactly do you think all these people here are looking up videos about school shootings? Same thing basically, the unknown and unusual is interesting.
It really sucks that Mr. Brown is still having to live with this. I hope all of his dedication will help develop a better response and avoid another senseless tragedy like Columbine.
As a youth support counselor i had a client who was making threats against his school the cops told us they couldnt do anything unless he did it... He never did and was admitted thank god but its frustrating when they tell u to call in a duty to warn and nothing happens.
I know this is old (here after the Uvalde shooting) but this is where red flag laws come into play. By implementing red flag laws, it forces/allows law enforcement to act on those tips to ensure that it was just a red flag and nothing more. After Parkland, the local area implemented them and law enforcement has stopped several shootings (small and large) from happening.
Unbelievable that nothing was done
RIP to all lost and my condolences
Some people are truly sick. How does a mind begin to find fascination in something so utterly disturbing? It's so sad that we live in a world like this, where it's so normalized to hear of something this horrible and barely flinch.
That’s called being desensitized, which quite often can be a dangerous thing.
Well in medieval times people had a 50% chance of being killed by another man, so violence is definitely apart of human nature to some extent.
Seeing the reporters face at 1:40 would make me not want to say what happened. There is always people who don't believe you when you report serious crimes and that is the kind of face they make as you tell them what happened.
If you warn an officer something like this is gonna happen and they make that face make sure you tell someone else. People need to listen to teenagers and not belittle their concerns because they are young.
I immediately noticed that too, that lady looks like such a B word!
How do we contact Dr layman ??
I haven't seen one interview with Eric's parents talking about the incident. I wonder if there are any or they just don't want to talk about it anytime soon
Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂
wakeup fleur he shot them before going to the school
@@cassidyprice2327 fr??
They are alive, but they just refuse to take about it.
@@kristimccallconley69 let’s find them.. and find out why they raise littles murders
wow this makes me cry
Divine Dear Congrats !!!
i remember when I was in high school there was this boy who was in the group i was in. He had gone to making a plan to shoot up the school, now his friends were known to cause fights all the time, but when they saw this, they took it to the school officer, telling them that this kid had a plan and a list. He was expelled the next day
I’ve never forgotten this
Brooks was actually told by one of the killers to go home
1:26 It breaks my heart, Molly, that this happened. There was another male studenr, Aaron Hancey, who made an excellent effort to help your favorite teacher and coach. My gratitude goes to him amd Teresa Miller for trying to keep him alive.
i remember going back to school and from then on till the end of the school year and even into the following year there was bomb scares and .Phone call threats of someone coming to shoot up the school i remember thinking as they marched us out onto the football field .We are basically sitting ducks out in the open if someone wanted to be perched up high some where picking us off .it never happened thank god but it fucks with you psychologically especially as a kid .thinking your invincible and that nothing can take you out
Unfortunately we don’t always see red flags or warning signs in attackers.
Bullies is one of the root problems in these high school shootings. Parents needs to spend more time teaching children better morals. Please spend more time with your chikdren. Don't just rely on school to raise your kids.
Bullies? Screw that. Kids have been abusive to each other forever. Obviously something else is going on. We have much easier lives now. A breakdown in nuclear families, social media, lack of good role models...
Whenever I read about the shooters, I hate them more and more. The fact that they didn’t just kill people, they *taunted* them. They yelled racial slurs at Isaiah Shoels. They yelled “peek-a-boo” at Cassie Bernall before shooting her point blank with a shotgun. If they had just killed people it could have been argued that they had a psychotic break, they could’ve felt emotionally numb which would make it easier to kill people. But they didn’t do that, they made sure these people suffered before they died, and that’s just a whole new level of evil.
& all this because they snapped.
Columbine inspires me, not to repeat the shooters steps.
But to know that I’m so lucky to have never been through this. The survivors, the friends of victims, families of victims, inspire me. To protect my loved ones. To see good through bad. To enjoy everything while it lasts.
Columbine was truly horrible, the things those teenagers did to their classmates. I wish this situation upon no one, my enemies, my friends, strangers. No one. They lost friends, families, people who inspire you.
Cassie Bernall is one person I look up to now. She’s rather die then deny her faith.
Please don't lead with "Columbine inspires me"
This Safe 2 Tell thing is amazing and needs to be used all across our country and the world!! 🙏🙏
This should really make us reflect on how our society is.
I do not believe these shooters are depressed,they have anger,rejection and abusive parents and no feelings of security and verbal abuse and then on th other hand you have evil in the hearts of man.
Is there safeguarding in the US?
It was always strange to me that the victims “im assuming” never looked like they even talked, let alone bully or demean either dylan or eric. Yeah they “hated” almost everyone. They didnt target anybody that really bullied or harassed them. Guess none of it makes sense
Exactly. What people fail to realize is that Columbine was never meant to be a school shooting. That was never the shooters intent. It was a failed bombing. You can't get any more indiscriminate than that. The fact that they weren't really targeting any one group per se seems to get lost in all the propaganda the media has spewed about it and other shootings ever since. The shooting was less about gun control and bullying and A LOT more about the mental health of the shooters. And if you look at the mental health of most mass shooters, you will find a disturbed mind is a common thread.
@heatherhillman1 Right. All of these kids had a history of violence well before these shootings happened. It's about being a disturbed individual, wanting infamy, and often wanting the most indiscriminate violence.
Ok and if someone is that determined to get into a school and do this, what is stopping them from shooting the person there to check thier bags and then strolling right on into the school? There has to be multiple armed people there and unfortunately, alot of schools or school districts arent going to want to dish out the extra funds that this type of security costs
No !! How about stop bullying other classmates to the point where they snap !!! You kids need smacked and disciplined !! You can't go around bullying other classmates and expect them to be alright with it !!!
@@donnadreyer2580 not all school shooters are bullied at school though, many have problems at home and have mental health problems. Though I do agree about stopping bullying because I've dealt with that shit before and had a mental breakdown.
Trinity Livingston The Majority of school shootings are because the shooter / shooters are BULLIED ! Their home life has nothing to do with this !
@@donnadreyer2580 yes it does, the school shooters aren't always bullied. Look at the boys who caused Columbine, they weren't bullied.
Donna Dreyer 🤦🏻♂️
"The more we can do to keep kids from being so full of rage that they feel like killing somebody or so depressed that they want to die we are heading in the right direction" this one hit home for me. I wasnt in a school shooting but there was a student in my school who fantasized killing all of us. We all found out when his grandmother found a rifle in his guitar case and found his journals full of plans to murder every student in my school and did the horrible but right thing in turning her own grandson into the police. On top of all this, I knew the guy personally. He sat face-to-face with me at a 4 man table in my U.S. History class junior year and never ever talked. The first time he ever chimed into a conversation was when I was talking to my friend to my right about smoking weed after class and he mentioned he smoked and asked to smoke sometime. I ended up smoking with him twice and once the school year was over I never heard about him until he was behind bars. Anyways, the reason the quote hits home for me so much is I saw that rage to kill when I read his journal entries. And that depression so heavy you want to die is something I struggled with through all of high school and even now (I'm 21, three years removed from high school). I guess what I'm trying to say is that rage to kill isnt something I saw in a lot of people but I can think of hundreds of students at my school who wanted to kill themselves on a daily basis. I knew 3 students that went through with it at the same high school. The rage to kill and the depression to suicide is very very real in today's high schools. There are probably more students that feel that way than feel quote-on-quote "normal" It's a problem and I dont know how to stop it.
Therapy. It's not something for crazy people. Life is hard for everyone and sometimes it's tough to find the right "tool" to fix a current issue in your life that you're facing. Therapy helps you organize your thoughts, find flaws in your logic, break issues down to a more manageable size, ect. That saying, "Life is easy if you let it be" isn't a false statement. The key is knowing how to make that possible and a lot of times it's tough to figure everything out on your own. Try Therapy. Honestly.
@@darlingdeb7010 Therapy, pfft. Nip it in the bud.
It’s crazy to see the warning signs and still nothing was done that could’ve stopped it. It happens in a lot of tragedies. Sad to know that a lot of tragedies could’ve been prevented.
So sad!
I was coming back from a fire drill with my friends and we were all stuck in the halls ways trying to get back in the doors the teachers just locked. Just then my friend whispered to me “It would be so easy to kill everyone right now, the school system is so broken, just one gun or one grenade”
Right then I jokingly got on the wall and nervously laughed
Then I went to go get “Water” and then sneaked in the class through the second door
Should I report him or leave it be?
report it
Report it better safe then sorry
Cripler Flipper I reported him
They found a list of names in his backpack
But that’s all I know so far
I’m glad I did
@@thejellybeangamer3284 I'm glad too.
TheJellyBeanGamer please update us
It's nice to see so many adults empowered by teenage mass murderers.
All I can say is the school district attended my my niece and nephew completely ignore physical bullying. So are they going to do something about verbal threats? I hardly think so.
My grandpa saw his friend get his head shot off in Vietnam, and was lucky to get away. It took him years too speak about it.
I'm a sophmore now, but when I was in 7th grade a boy in the grade above me planned a school shooting and brought a gun. Luckily he was stupid enough to tell some friends, who told friends, and the school found out the night prior. I remember only about 1/3 of us showed up to school the next morning, and the school was surrounded by police. The student was taken into custody - and failed a mental health exam.
The police need to take leads seriously
I feel like the police system these days are too soft I blame the Democrats lack of parenting no respect spoiled people
Years later police still fail to investigate serious threats and put people in danger. Same thing happened w the Stoneman douglas shooter. It's just heartbreaking.
As a student at a school, I once heard a fellow student say "I can do a school shooting to get better at it" and that alarmed me. I still don't know if he was intending to do it but I did not want to feel responsible for innocent lives lost. So I straight away told a teacher so that a school shooting (if he was going to do it) would not happen. He spent the day in the principals office and I am still terrified of that.