Keep your comments respectful, please! 💛 EDIT: It's been 3.5 hours since this video was pushed out and I SO APPRECIATE all of the civil discourse in this comment section about your likes and dislikes and more, thank you so much everyone. Side note: I mega apologize for the one or two pixel width gap on the far right side of the screen during this entire reaction. If you're like me and notice things like that, it can be a bit distracting at times, so I'm so sorry! Of course, I only noticed it once the video was uploaded and cleared and it would be been an absolute pain to fix. 😂 Thanks for watching! ✦ KL
This is the first time I come across your channel. Loved your reaction. Its my least favourite SW film but some of my friends love it and we always have a good laugh discussing our likes and dislikes over a few beers. But it's only in jest and Im impressed with the comments here. Everyone is being so civil. Which is the way it should be. I like hearing both sides... I just subscribed...
1. The same thing happened in A New Hope. We knew really nothing about the empire but that it was in power and evil just like the first order. Then its massive base blew up and only Vader was left. So no different than The Force Awakens. In empire, suddenly we see dozens of imperial ships and they're still very much in power and chasing the alliance that seemed to just be celebrating at the end of the movie. Same with the first order. They are spread throughout the universe and have bases all over. Also no doubt many fled the base when it was breaking up in the first movie. 2. Leia's scene was epic. Out of the blue it showed she did have the force and was able to anticipate what was coming to protect herself in the force then force pull herself back to the ship. That was an epic way to reveal what we assumed was true about Luke's sister. 3. Finn had a major arc. He started off the movie still running and only thinking of Rey but by the end he realized he was part of a bigger purpose and was willing to sacrifice himself head on for it to save everyone rather than running. 4. Rey has a special connection to the force so that's why she's able to do so much. You'll learn more 5. Something to ponder before watching the last movie. During Snoke interrogating Rey, the emperor's theme is playing and for a reason. 😉 It will pay off. 6. Poe's character arc was major in realizing how important it is to lead and not just act which will pay off in the final movie 7. There is also a major reason why Rey and kylo are so conflicted about each other. It also pays off in last movie! 😎👍 Can't wait till you watch it
@@briansview2886 with all due respect, new hope and force awakens endings, that lead into sequels is completely different. In OT They were an empire scatered throughout and rulling the galaxy for twenty so years. The first order was a rogue secret army hiding out on Starkiller base. Where were the other ships hiding and how did they get funding to become so huge in secret. The new Republic capital plannets had been blown up but they, like the empire had been governing the galaxy for thirty years.. so what happened to the rest of the Republic spread out throughout the gallaxy. Why didn't they come to help. Rian just wanted it to be just like empire strikes back, a cheap reset, so the good guys are the under dogs again. JJ is to be blamed for this too. You say finn arc was brilliant as he went from a coward, who only cared about Rey and wanting to run away. To being a brave resistance fighter. That's a complete repeat beat by best of his arc in force awakens... Leia could not have possibly survived in space for that long without her eyes popping out and freezing to death. That's why the fighter pilots wear those uniforms. Plus it was filmed terribley. People laughed out loud in the cinema. And Poe should not have been demouted. Not only did he just blow up star killer base but he made the right call blowing up the Dreadnaught. It was a fleet killer. When Leia demouted him, she never knew Hux had ability to track them through lightpeed. When they appeared, if that Dreadnaught had been there, they all be dead with its long firing range. That's why Leia let's him fight. There are so many plot holes in this film. Like why, instead of that boring slow space chase didn't the first order just light speed Infront of resistance, then take them out. They also had windows on there star destroyers. Did holdo not suspect that their very last ship, as it passed the planet, the escape shuttles would not be seen... And why not just tell her people the plan, they were down to last ship. I'm surprised the whole fleet hadn't caused a mutiny sooner. To them she was acting insane. There are many things to enjoy in this film and I'm glad you loved it. But the plotholes are gigantic and can't be ignored. It's lazy writing that should have gone through several more drafts to refine it. Rian is the only writer credited.. it's lazy rushed writing for such a huge film and middle part of a trilogy.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God and the Dreadnaught would have killed all of them later if Poe hasn't took it out. Plus he had just hours before blew up starkiller base, saving them all
Loved your review and agree with you 100%. About the scene where Leia survived in space; I agree it was kinda corny but it is an actual fact that Jedi can survive the vacuum of space for a short time. They actually briefly show this in clone wars. Just thought I'd share that, no negativity here! Keep up the awesome reviews!
My feelings are that Lucasfilm thought they could do what Kevin Feige does for the MCU in that he plans out the movies as they go along. However, Feige plans out in “phase” increments in that he plans out everything for Phase 3 before moving on to Phase 4, 5, 6, etc. Star Wars is different because you have to have the entire plot laid out in three movies, not 21 (excluding the movies/shows from Phase 4); so, you can’t really change stuff as you go along. Plus, I feel that if Disney *really* wanted to take this radically new approach, they should’ve given the reigns to Rian Johnson in the TFA and let him handle the trilogy himself. My biggest point here is that Abrams and Johnson are so diametrically opposed to each other, that it was next to impossible for Disney to get this trilogy right. Abrams really just wanted to the original trilogy again, while Johnson wanted to go outside of the box and be more “artsy.” I feel that it was a necessary for the TFA to be essentially be ANH because as Nostalgia Critic put it in his review, Disney wanted to show that they could make an actual Star Wars movie after the negative reaction towards the prequels when they were released. The one thing that Disney did plan (allegedly) was that the Jedi figure was always meant to be a woman. A couple of years ago on the RUclips channel Film Theory, the sister channel to MatPat’s Game Theory, he talked in a video about how there was some leaked document from Disney executives where they stated that they “…wanted the main character [of the sequel trilogy] to be a woman.”
It is frustrating. Kaiielle hit on this, a bit. I can’t be upset that the plots went in unexpected directions and places. New and different is great. But the storylines begun in TFA, the potential trajectories, and mysteries were cut off in unsatisfying fashion. “Didn’t see that coming?” is not a sufficient narrative strategy.
I originally liked the movie in theater but after thinking about what i actually saw… i started to hate it. Specifically what they did with luke. There is no way in hell anyone can convince me this is what luke would have done after return of the jedi.
My main issue with how he was in this movie was just the lack of explaining why. People can change DRASTICALLY in 30 years. I would have liked more of a showing as to why he was this way. Ideally a whole movie set sometime between ROTJ and TFA would be perfect.
@@kaiielle yeah i agree people can change especially over three decades but… doing this wrecked luke’s standing as the most hopeful hero in the star wars universe. He saw good in vader when no one else did and now he did a 180. Even with a proper explanation why, it doesnt change the fact that lukes character is ruined. All in solely my opinion, of course. Not trying to be argumentative in any way, just explaining why i have a problem with the movie.
@@kaiielle thanks, looking forward to your next star wars reaction! Im happy to see that you genuinely analyze the movies unlike other reactors who are pretty superficial.
@@Brandon_501 Thank you! Recording the end of my videos is the most fun for me. As soon as the movie is over, I open up a document on my PC and start dumping out my thoughts. I think this video took an hour of writing my talking points out before I started recording it. It's a really enjoyable part of this experience for me, so I'm glad that there are people who enjoy it.
This is the only apparance of Holdo and there is a line in the Rise of Skywalker that directly apologizes to the fans for her embarrassingly obvious bad command decisions here.
I think what makes me like this film more than its other two counterparts is that the director Rian Johnson wanted to actually try and deconstruct the Star Wars story in ways that were actually thought-provoking or profound, instead of replicating what had already been done before. While I do think that he ultimately fell short, I respect his direction and would actually be down to see him try his hand at another SW project, with him telling the story from the start himself. Some fans seem to think 'omg he is da worst diwecta eva!', and I remember there being similar cries against at Lucas during the prequels. To which I say: Guys, you do know that Johnson directed the BrBa episode 'Ozymandias', arguably the best episode of television ever put on screen, and which was the only tv episode to have a 10/10 rating on IMDb until a few months ago? 😂😂
Love your review! So Starkiller base had a TON of First Order troops onboard, but not all of them! The First Order is suggested to be just as vast as the Empire was (though I agree that doesn’t make much sense)! I also agree that all the Luke, Rey, Kylo, and Snoke scenes were the best parts! Snoke COULD sense what Kylo was doing with the saber, but he misinterpreted it as Kylo planning to kill Rey! Force users can’t read minds, but they can feel emotions and intentions! So Kylo was careful to reveal only what could be interpreted as him attacking Rey! Snoke sensed him “turning the lightsaber to strike true, igniting it, and killing his true enemy,” and that COULD have meant Rey, but it really meant Snoke!
luke was projecting himself using the force, the dice disappeared because he brought them, part of the projection early in the movie kylo told rey that she couldnt have bridged their minds, or projected herself to him, cause the effort would kill her. they establish that its a massive exertion of power to do so. luke sacrificed himself by overexerting his force abilities in order to let leia and the resistance escape, the ultimate jedi move
@@ARandomInternetUser08 And with Anakin's lightsaber, which was split in half just hours earlier. Kylo should have known, but he was too consumed with anger to pay attention.
I do love that Yoda came back for one last lesson to impart on Luke. Sure it would've been awesome to have it be Obi-Wan but having Yoda do it just feels proper. Makes you wonder how many students had he seen fall and try to come to terms with it?
I don’t think you could have obi wan because you would have to use Alec Guinness and unfortunately you can’t unless you cgi him or possibly use Ewan mcgregor
Fun trivia fact: The porgs, those birdlike creatures on the island, were created because the island on which they shot the scenes for Luke's exile is a bird sanctuary area and it is populated with puffins. These little porgs were conceived to cover up the native birds as they could not be feasibly moved. They were then worked into the story.
I'll note that Kylo prompts Rey to say who her parents were but SHE says they were "nobody" first which I consider important. It's not him revealing something to her that may or not be a lie. it's literally what she already knows but has told HERSELF couldn't be true because she's lived alone for so long and longs for family and community. Prior to the end of the movie she hasn't even met Poe and at the start only really knew Finn who was in coma, Chewie and Leia so the Resistance is hardly that community at this point. I know some folks see Kylo's "you come from nothing, join me" as manipulation but to me reads more similarly to say Mr. Darcy's initial proposal to Elizabeth in Pride and Predjudice. He's not trying to coerce or trick her, he's just a dummy who doesn't know how to talk to a pretty girl from a polar opposite upbringing. He's grown up burdened with all the legacies of being the son of THE Han Solo, THE Leia Organa, and nephew of THE Luke Skywalker and feeling completely isolated in that (something snoke latches onto while he's young.) They both see the possibility of connection with each other. To him it's a way out of the weight of bloodlines and dynasties, he wants it all gone but burning the past entirely means not learning from it. (like how yoda goes ahead and burns the tree cause luke needed to move and then we see the texts in a drawer in the Falcon because as yoda says cleverly "Wisdom they held, but that library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess" cause she literally took them. ) She sees who he could be but again like Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy can't in good conscience take his hand while he's on the path he's on
Unpopular opinion but I actually like the sequel trilogy. It’s not perfect and not without problems but none of the three trilogies are perfect and I enjoyed watching all of these immensely when they first came out. I like the characters and there are some pretty good ideas behind it.
I actually like Kylo Ren's outbursts, it really hammers home that this is a man who left home and parent's at 10 years old to become a Jedi, and never went home again. He acts like a moody teenager, because he has the emotional maturity of one.
Anakin: "Took me over a decade of training to be strong in the force." Luke: "Took me 4 years to just barely be skilled." Rey: "I became a god in 2 days."
I still have trouble understanding how Luke thought he could save Darth Vader and didn't want to kill him, but wanted to murder his own nephew, because of the "darkness inside of him?" Makes ZERO sense. You're telling me Kylo is more in touch with the dark side than Darth Vader? Nonsense. Laughable even. I really wanted to like these movies, but I can't. Rogue One was the ONLY new Star Wars film I actually enjoyed. This trilogy is lazy.
Luke spends one day traveling with Ben and can then use the force to destroy the Death Star. Luke spends a few days with Yoda and then leaves to challenge Darth Vader and ends up holding his own. Anakin has never been in space but jumps in a star fighter and wrecks an entire droid fleet including a battleship as a child. To complain about time compression is to fail to understand the difference between reality and myth. Mythic quests and journeys typically ignore time constraints.
@@vandalhooch9773 You don't think Luke being an exceptional pilot had ANYTHING to do with him destroying the Death Star? It was ALL the force? Luke held his own with Vader? Really? One hand severed and resorting to throwing yourself off a tall structure, just to escape is "holding your own?" Or could it be that Darth/Anakin knowing that Luke was all he had left of his love for Padme, went easier on him? Think Luke would fare well with end of Rogue One Vader? Mythic quests are but a part of the allure of Star Wars, but what makes it endure is the STORYTELLING. And as with most, if not all great stories, the most satisfying element is the consistency of the narrative. An arc is one thing, but for things to exist almost in opposition to how they existed before is off-putting and distracts from the overall story. THAT'S why so many people dislike these movies. Luke throws his lightsaber over his shoulder flippantly after it's handed to him by Rey? Really? I doubt it.
@@vandalhooch9773 -Luke actually trained with Ben, and used that same training to time the firing of the torpedoes at the correct moment, just like he times when to swing his saber to block. Next time he used the force to grab his saber, he struggled for a minute just to do it. -Luke barely held his own against Vader, and lost his hand, and was covered in bruises and broken bones the moment Vader decided to no longer play around. -Anakin tried podracing and lost each time, improving each time as well. And still crashed his fighter once auto pilot was removed. Then flew out using the same strategy he used in podracing. DId Rey have a trial and error moment? No. She prefectly flew the falcon, a ship that requires two pilots against first order tie fighters. She suddenly used the force to resist Kylo, and ran around Starkiller base using the force like a pro, defeating someone with 20 years of training from Luke and Snoke, the first two she held a saber.
I might not like a lot of stuff in these movies, but I can absolutely say bullying people for liking this movie or the next one is just unnecessary. I agree with the CinemaWins philosophy of any movie can be someones fav, and theres no need to hate for that.
This movie ultimately killed the sequels for me. The Force Awakens was already quite disappointing to me, so I went into The Last Jedi with rock-bottom expectations and it _still_ manged to disappoint. As you point out, there are good aspects to it, but it lacked almost everything good that the previous six films had. It's such a forgettable film that I barely remember anything when I go to watch a reaction to it. I wasn't particularly enthused to watch The Rise of Skywalker and, when all the reviews about it were suggesting it was bad, I lost any desire to see it merely for completeness' sake. The original trilogy was supposed to depict the Rebellion gaining the upper hand through their new hope in Luke who allowed Anakin to return to the light and bring balance to the Force by destroying the remaining two Sith (Palpatine and himself). The finale was supposed to be triumphant and the future hopeful and free of fascism. Instead of just bulldozing over that accomplishment the sequels should have started from there, with the Empire mostly defeated and only remnants remaining, the Rebels having to form a government and discover that it's probably even harder than waging a guerilla war against a fascist dictatorship with in-fighting between former allies. Start with the New Republic on rocky ground, still trying to prove to the Galaxy that it's better than the Empire was, then introduce some new threat, not just the same threat copied with a new skin. Maybe there's a sect of Dark Jedi who had been kept in check by the Sith but have now been unleashed, they operate more like the original Jedi Order but Dark, with several members, instead of the Sith with just two. Or maybe there's a threat to the Force itself, maybe there's a disease that causes living things to come apart from the Force and what this means to Luke's New Jedi Order, maybe even having to ally with Dark force users to fight the new threat. Make the story something new, something interesting, something that expands on the Universe and lore. With callbacks and recurring themes, sure, but not just the same story tweaked a bit. Unfortunately, we didn't get that. I'd much rather go back and read more of the Extended Universe (I refuse to call it "Legends") than continue with the main series. That said, I am _perfectly_ happy for other people to like them, I can certainly see the appeal to some just, unfortunately, not for me.
I love what you said in your intro because it's just spot on. I have been a *huge* Star Wars fan ever since my dad took me to see The Empire Strikes back in the theater (yeah, I'm old as dirt). These movies have had more of an impact on my life that I could possibly explain so it makes me very sad to say this - the Star Wars fandom is one of the most toxic out there and I will never understand why. I get that people are extremely passionate about these movies. So am I, but that does not give them a free pass to be a-holes. I am one of those people that absolutely loathes these last two movies (for a number of reasons) but there are a lot of people who really like them, and that's totally fine. I'm sure there are movies I like that those people think are pieces of crap. So what?! People like what they like and that is their right. They should not be made to feel they have to explain, defend, or justify it to anyone. Some folks just need to chill the hell out.
I don't agree with you on star wars fans being the most toxic fans. Every community has toxic people. SW is a very big franchise with the biggest fanbase. Of course they are loud, even when they split by different opinions. I'm 100% against almost everything Disney did with SW so far (the exception being Rogue One). I was furious after I saw The Last Jedi for months, but made my peace since then, and now i can let go of any expectations when watching new SW content. I think what most people misundertood about the TLJ backlash, is that fans who not just love the movies, but were deep into the Expanded Universe stuff have a pretty massive understanding of what FEELS or does NOT feel Star Wars. It's really hard to explain. But lots of us feels this movie and the next lacks the soul a SW movie should possess. I'm totally OK with people enjoying these movies, but i think it's unfair to label fans with more passion than them "toxic", just because they disagree.
@@NordWinter2 I think you misunderstood me. Let me clarify. I agree with pretty much everything you said, particularly about the sequel trilogy lacking any soul like the previous trilogies had. I can't even talk about TLJ. I prefer to pretend it never existed. When I said the SW fan base is the most toxic, it's not because people disagree. That's going to happen in any franchise in any medium. Being passionate is one thing, but being mean-spirited, insulting and condescending is quite another. I see that kind of bullying behavior far more in the SW fan base than I do any other fandom. As I said in my original comment, I have loved this franchise since I was 8 years old when my dad took me to the theater to see Empire so I *completely* understand people's emotional attachment. I really do. But that does not give anyone the right to be vicious and cruel to someone who has a different viewpoint or enjoys content that they don't. I suppose you're right in that every community will have toxic people but it just seems a disproportionately large percentage with SW fans.
Disney screwed Star Wars up with the sequels so what you call toxicity is just the anger of passionate fans (who also got attacked by Disney itself and the bought off media). That is what created the anger. I don’t see anything wrong with it.
What sucks is that theses movies have some of the most beautiful shots out of all the Star Wars movies. But in my opinion, they did a lot of things wrong in terms of writing, which ruins the movies for me
You pretty much nailed most people's criticism of the movie. A big problem was the change in writing and directing. There is such a tonal difference it can be distracting. It becomes even more awkward in the next one. Either way excellent review/reaction .
Finn definitely gets let down by TLJ, but he does have an arc, it's just not especially well conveyed. He goes from not wanting to join the resistance, just wanting to escape and make sure Rey's safe, to understanding that he can't just run and hide, that the First Order needs to be stopped, that the Resistance is important, and that freedom is a cause worth fighting, sacrificing, and even dying for. Unfortunately, the movie does not spend enough time clearly showing us Finn's journey. A lot of people assume that Finn is just fully on board with the Resistance at the beginning of the movie because of his role in taking out Starkiller base, and because that's how it worked with Luke. But he was only there for Rey. There is a deleted scene where he clearly reiterates that he's not with the resistance that would have been near the beginning of the film, but it got cut for time sadly. Personally, I think there were better cuts to make, that scene would have served Finn and the movie much better. I would argue that Finn's suicide run makes more sense for his arc than Poe's, because Poes arc is about learning the difference between wasteful acts of heroism and the true heroism of putting the needs of the resistance ahead of acts of glory. For Finn though, committing to that run, even though it was a dumb idea that wouldn't actually help anything, is symbolic of his realization of the importance of defeating the First Order. I'm not crazy about *how* Rose saved Finn, as it was just as likely to kill them both as it was to save him. I do love her message to him though, we aren't going to win by destroying what we hate, but by saving what we love. I think that would have worked better if she had talked him out of it over the radio with that line instead. I know I'm in the minority on this, but I truly did not read the kiss as romantic. It was barely a peck. To me it was simply a punctuation to her point, a simple acknowledgement that love is what matters, and not in a romantic sense, but in an all encompassing sense. So for me the kiss was a non issue, and I never got the impression they were being set up as a potential couple.
One thing that I don’t think a lot of people pay attention to is Finn and Rose’s respective arcs. Just like Finn, Rose actually has a very strong arc throughout TLJ. Where Finn goes from only being concerned with Rey and her safety to understanding the need for the Resistance to defeat the First Order, Rose goes from grief at losing her sister, and a desire to destroy the systems and institutions that created the situation that killed her, to realizing that even wrecking the casino or destroying the entire First Order fleet wouldn’t give her what she really wants-her sister back. In the end she resolves to stop Finn’s sacrifice and save him because it’s what she wishes she could have done for her sister. Their respective arcs put them at odds against each other the whole way through the movie, and that’s some very interesting writing. Unfortunately the end result wasn’t executed as well as it could have been.
I, like many hate this movie or more importantly it's director for how he impacted the whole franchise AND wasted this movies potential AND how it meant Ep 9 was arguably doomed to fail. *However* this has always been the most funny SW film for me, despite the hate, I cannot watch this without having a huge grin during the Kylo Luke fight, as well as the confrontation with Snoke. I've had a blast re living with everyone all the good and the bad SW has to offer, and this movie was no different!
@@willfanofmanyii3751 the duel of the fates script was so much better. Was a great conclusion to the entire saga and it Had great scenes with r2 and 3po together again like they should. Just because JJ created bb8 doesn't mean be has to keep replacing R2. The guy has such an ego. Despite Carrie passing, with some adjustments in Script, the could ve still used it .
My experience with Star Wars is always so weird. I really don't like going to theaters so I always have to wait till these movies come to streaming or Blu-ray. But I also am a huge star wars nerd who loves reading all the tie-in books and comics. So I learned about Holdo WAYYYY before seeing this, in the book Leia: Princess of Alderaan. So I actually ended up getting super emotional about her sacrifice, of which I feel like I am the only one. 😆
Keep in mind most of the comments explaining things came from the books and comics written after, and those writers had to figure things out on their own.
@@magicconchshell Difference being Clone Wars was still created by Lucas. The books and comic writers for the sequels had to figure things out on their own because JJ and RJ didn't explain them anything.
This movie is just a horrible piece of trash in almost every possible way. This is an objective view btw, I like all the other movies, the good and the bad. This movie just had way too many flaws to be redeemable. The only things I liked was the movie looks beautiful, the fight scene with the red guards was pretty cool, and the little penguin like creatures were adorable. That's about it though. I recently commented on this movie on another channel and people got so pissed off like I'm the only one to hate it or something. Somebody actually told me that this was the best in the franchise and I need to "get a life". Remember this is just an opinion, if you are one of the few to love this movie, I respect and value your opinion, so please do the same if you can. 🙏☮
Don't worry, I would never bully you for having this kind of opinion and I hope that other people don't either. It's totally okay to dislike a movie, and I share the things you like about it! And we probably share dislikes as well.
@@kaiielle I wasn't really worried about you, but thank you all the same.🙂👍Some Star Wars fans can get pretty passionate to say the least. Great reaction and review btw.
In a way I'm really glad to hear you criticise this movie as I do wonder if most reactors just give positive feedback just because they feel its expected of them. I might be wrong though. So basically its nice to hear that you'll give your honest opinion no matter what. personally I really really don't like what Disney have done with the franchise at all. However I still decided to watch your reactions to their movies as I really enjoyed your reactions to the other movies. I was pleased to hear your opinions on this one and I thought you had some great insights. Plus I really like your editing. I think you've pretty much got everything nailed. Keep up the good work.
Kaiielle, you may have known in the years that you have been alive people who can do "everything", but how did they come to be able to accomplish those things? What did it took? How much time did they dedicate to dominate those things they do well? This is a situation of nature vs nurture and Jedi training is the nurture that allows for Jedi-like things to be accomplished by Force-sensitive people. If you don't need Jedi training to do Jedi things, then what is the point of Jedi training? Jedi training is turned into a joke, the Jedi are a joke, and the whole story is a joke, and that is precisely what the people behind these movies did to Star Wars. What did Yoda, in his last of moments of deathbed lucidity, say to Luke? He literally lamented that his training was not complete. THAT is how important Jedi training is to a Jedi. And how do these people treat Jedi training in The Last Jedi? They make that green puppet pretending to be Yoda say that someone with NO training can be let go because "She has everything she needs". She took the Jedi books? How many pages you think she read before she got to Snoke? Is that how much of a joke Jedi training is? To the point it can be substituted with the reading of some books? These people took Star Wars and turned it into another dumb Marvel movie where people defecate superpowers out of thin air. Biology is potential, experience realizes that potential. The Jedi Council in Episode 1 was willing to let young Anakin go without training because they knew that without training something in him would not realize. "It's too dangerous" - Mace Windu. Too dangerous = the absence of training doesn't give Anakin the Jedi tools that could be used for evil. The Cloners in Kamino couldn't just make do with Jango Fett's genes and make soldiers, NO, they trained the clones to turn them into soldiers because just having Fett's genes doesn't show you how to shoot a gun. There are precedents in the real Star Wars lore that points to the necessity of mentorship in order to realize your potential as a Jedi. Mentorship is such a key and inescapable element of the mythology (which mirrors reality) that not even the Sith can escape it: "Always two, there are. No more. No less. A Master and an apprentice." But what about Wonder Rey? What was her training? You yourself pointed out how the events between these two movies take place back to back, with no passage of time. Can Jedi training be exchanged with a solo internship in a junkyard? Is that how much of a joke the Jedi and the Jedi training are to the point that fighting scrubs and scavenging broken ships make you an equal and even superior to a trained Force user (Kylo) and wise enough to lecture a Jedi Master (Luke)?
@@kaiielle Thank you for taking the time to read all that. lol There is a lot of conflict in the comment section now because of these movies but once you get to the Mandalorian, if you eventually do, things will take a turn and people will calm dawn, I bet. lol Not much war going on because of The Mandalorian.
Hello Miss beautiful Kaiielle. 38:22 I agree with you 100% on your thoughts and opinions on this movie. It could have been better. We saw this opening night in the theater and groups of people were badmouthing it in the lobby afterwards and everyone was pissed that they killed Luke off and that there was not actually a real lightsaber fight. I did like how they went outside the box unlike other Star Wars movies but I felt they went too far outside the box. Maybe in the future they can make a director's cut of this movie to improve most of the flaws.
Instant like for asking the haters to exit! Star Wars belongs to everyone. While the sequel trilogy is at the bottom of the trilogies for me I still enjoy them. I LOVE the cinematography in the sequels.
Over the years I appreciate this just like the prequels.. but giving control of the story to someone new each time, makes a difference. Can't wait for the next.
@@kaiielle but the same director didn't do the original trilogy. Lucas directed episode IV, Kershner directed episode V, and Marquand directed episode VI.
@@havok6280 True but Lucas was the glue that kept all three of the original trilogy coherent. You did not have one person's consistent vision to glue Episodes 7-9 together.
Just some responses that will hopefully clarify things: Starkiller Base was destroyed, but the entire group of planets housing the New Republic were blown up by Starkiller Base in the last film. So yes, the Republic is decimated, and that's consistent with the events of the last film. It was a pretty major plot point. Meanwhile, the First Order has an entire fleet of ships outside of what was on Starkiller. Just like how after the Death Star was destroyed in A New Hope, the Empire still ruled with the majority of its fleet of officers existing on other ships. If you're going to criticize this film for not spelling that out, you must give the same scrutiny to The Empire Strikes Back, in my opinion. The dice disappearing was because they were part of the projection illusion Luke created. He was never physically there on Cait, so therefore, neither were the dice. Leia realizes this as soon as Luke's projection puts them in her hand. She doesn't feel it. She gives him a shocked look, and he gives a mischievous grin in return. :) Finn definitely has wasted potential throughout these movies, but I wouldn't say this film completely fails in adding to his character arc. In the last film, and for a good portion of this one, everything Finn does against the First Order is just to get back to Rey, and not to serve a more selfless greater good. By this film's end, that has changed. He faces and defeats his former captain, declaring himself a "Rebel" for the first time, and yes, he attempts a selfless act against the cannon at the end, perhaps in vein, but at least the action shows his character growth. The reason why I *don't* think it should have been Poe is because Poe's character arc makes sense for him to now be *against* foolhearty sacrifices when it ends up just dwindling allied numbers at little gain. Poe becomes the wiser, Leia figure in that situation telling the brash pilot, now Finn, to stop, think, and live to fight another day. In my opinion, both characters end up exactly where they they needed to. Poe was acting like a toxic, entitled man who deserved to know all of Holdo's plans despite the fact that she outranked him, and she was likely worried about spies and wasn't sure who to trust among those she didn't know well--especially Poe, who has just been demoted by Leia for mishandling information and acting brashly without thinking. Leia exhales and braces herself before she is blown into space, she created a shield around herself (you can see particles floating in place around her), age she used the Force pull ability to literally pull herself toward the ship to safety. It might look weird to some people, but there is precedent for each of these abilities elsewhere in the movies and shows. Luke continued to research the Jedi after failing with Ben Solo, and he ultimately became convinced that the Jedi Order itself was a misinterpretation of the Force and therefore should end ("that Force does not belong to the Jedi," he says in the film). His exile to the island was about much more than just Ben Solo; that initial failure sent him off on his quest to learn more in hopes of improving the Jedi way, but it was the subsequent information he learned that ultimately convinced him to close himself off to the Force and let the legacy die off. He felt he was doing right by the Force. He wasn't merely sulking. Yes, his way was ultimately misguided, but once he taps into the Force again, Yoda's spirit is able to contact him and help him see that. And ultimately, Luke changes his mind and does help salvage the Jedi by protecting Rey and the Resistance. Also, a particularly nice touch: at the end of the last film, Luke simply stood there and didn't take his old saber. At the start of this one when Rey walks right up to him and puts it in his hand, Luke tosses it aside. Before she leaves the island, she holds it out one last time and Luke still refuses to take it if his own accord. This symbolizes his unwillingness to join the fight. But at the end, when he projects himself onto Cait, he gives his projection that same exact lightsaber--not the green one that he built himself, but the exact same Skywalker legacy saber that Rey wanted him to take the entire time. It's his way of visually showing those watching that he finally does support Rey's cause. Just some food for thought.
Appreciate this breakdown a lot, thank you. I think a lot of this stuff I will pick up more in future watches, where a camera isn't on, and am not doing this for RUclips. Kinda one of the downsides of doing this for YT, tbh. I also think my opinions on bits and pieces of this film will change over time.
@@kaiielle And hey, if your views on it never change, that's fine too. Yours were critiques of genuine desire for the film to be more coherent, and that's much different from most people who hate on this film because it simply didn't give them what they personally wanted. Without spoiling anything specific, I will say this: if you're wanting a more gradual transition into the sequel trilogy that makes their events and character arcs feel more organic, then watch the shows. All of them. They're leading into that, slowly, and I have no idea how it's all going to fit together, but I'm excited!!
i think the start of your criticisms segment sums up the sequel trilogy 'so much potential that just didn't happen'. there's definitely stuff to like in each movie, but unfortunately i think the negatives out way the positives overall. at least for me anyway ;-;
The Resistance in the books and comics is pretty messy at times too. A lot of them are children of former Rebels, including Poe. So your criticism of them isn't wrong, even in universe. lol
I love this movie. The opening is very engaging, but it does dwindle once the different storylines happen at the same time. I like the Rose/Finn and Poe stuff and while it does enforce the themes of hope and all that, it suffers when put against all the stuff with Luke, Rey, Kylo, and Snoke which all of that is fantastic. I find DJ an interesting character and how he brings up how things aren’t black and white in the galaxy. Holdo gets better with each watch I think because her approach to things make sense if you consider the disorganization of the resistance, and if she announced her plan, some traitor would inform the first order or something, and Poe wasn’t making himself to be trustworthy. The second half of the movie is perfect imo. The way everything comes together, the holdo ship crash, the throne room fight, phasma vs Finn. It’s great. Then the Crait battle is visually gorgeous, and also how Poe and Finn’s arcs cross paths. Poe goes from recklessly sacrificing everyone to playing it smart and being a leader influenced by Leia and Holdo. And Finn goes from being cowardly to willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Luke’s arc was fantastic, excellent acting from Mark Hamill and the way he plays the shame and pain is great. I think him even considering and beginning to act on killing his own nephew and then prompting all the pain and death he feared is more than enough to beget his exile. Then Rey and Yoda make him realize he can learn from that failure and return as a true Jedi. His confrontation with Kylo is probably the most “Jedi” thing anyone has ever done in the franchise based on how Yoda explained it in Empire “a Jedi uses the force for defense, never for attack” and Luke sacrificing himself, and him dying made sense because Kylo said earlier that Rey couldn’t be projecting herself because “the effort would kill you”. Rey and Ben’s progression was my favorite part of the movie. The way Rey starts off hating him but then after being rejected by Luke and not finding the answers she is looking for she feels alone. They are both alone and are disappointed by the people they thought they could look up to. They find their similarities and both try to convince each other to join the other, but ultimately their interests come into conflict with each other. Rey choosing to help the resistance brings her back to her friends, while Kylo choosing to become Supreme Leader for power leaves him alone again. The writing is fantastic in this movie not to mention the gorgeous visuals, it’s all very well directed imo I love it.
I can't disagree more. Johnson was more worried about visuals rather than story telling and developing characters. As she said, it's the longest movie and we don't know who Holdo is (no backstory whatsoever), Snoke was a wasted character, Phasma was a wasted character, Hux was a wasted character, but we got mirror Rey, we got red salt, we got casino world, we got red room. Finn and Rose were able to leave the fight and comeback while before it's over. And Johnson destroyed every plot that the Force Awakens started. Who's Rey's parents? They're nobody. Who's Snoke? Doesn't matter, kill him. Who's Phasma? Doesn't matter, kill her. What is Luke going to do? Throws the lightsaber over his shoulder. Overall, I actually hate this movie.
You right about Sith's Rule of two, when Master dead (usually by his apprentice's hands), the apprentice become a master, but in sequels there are not a Sith for now, last of Sith order was Darth Sidious, Kylo Ren and Snoke are not the Sith, Kylo is a member of new order (Knight of Ren, which not explored so much in canon) and about Snoke you will know later
At first, I hated this movie. I expected so much especially for my boy Luke. The Force Awakens plus nostalgia from the originals sparked so many fan theories. I put my own expectations on The Last Jedi. So not seeing things come to fruition was frustrating. Then I saw how livid people really were! going off about things that I actually liked. Lol. On repeat viewings I like it now. Or, I just am not triggered anymore. Lmao
In the Force Awakens, the First Order controls a whole section of the outer rim. They have multiple planets aside from Starkiller Base and a large fleet. They are stymied from reconquering the galaxy because the Republic has a larger fleet. However, with the destruction of the Republic capitol system, the Republic fleet was also wiped out, removing the final obstacle for the First Order's return.
To me the best parts are with the original characters because there is history there and characters people know and love. Like people rag on the actors, actors can only do what is written. This movie suffers from bad writing. Like for instance when they go on and on about how the animals are treated and Rose goes out of the way to free the animals. On first watch I’m like cool they freed them, but then when you watch it again they go on and on about the animals and free them….. yet they leave the slave children behind.
I definitely don’t like the sequel trilogy but I think the actors and actresses did a good job. The individual movies were alright but as a whole they definitely are not as good as the originals or even the prequels
I know this is an older reaction, but I’m gonna comment anyway. If leia had died but not ackbar, and ackbar took over instead of holdo, I think it would’ve been a much better film. That would’ve also opened it up for ackbar to sacrifice himself at the end, which would’ve been way more impactful. It also would’ve actually given us closure with leia unlike the mess they gave us in the next film.
The Finn and Rose stuff just wasnt interesting enough to take time in this movie. They should have cut all their story and just focused on Finn to make him better, and maybe go to Canto bight for some other reason, since it was a cool place. Also, I wouldnt mind that this movie went on a limb and moved forward as far as Star Wars lore is concerned, if they kept that same energy into the next movie. I wont spoil anything, but the last movie isnt by Rian Johnson, its back to JJ, so its a different direction.
I think the issue is that because this film takes place immediately after the previous one, there wasn't enough time to establish a new context in which Finn would have a new struggle to overcome. Like, TESB took place several years after ANH, and so set the stage for an entirely new story in which Luke, Han, and Leia's characters could continue to grow. Finn's arc in TFA was facing his fears of returning to the First Order and deciding not to run away anymore, which I think was a good story for him. But TLJ undoes this by making him want to run away AGAIN and have him accept his new role as an enemy of the First Order. Issue is, that story was already told. They also tried to throw in some social commentary in his story with Rose which basically just boiled down to 'war profiteering bad, treating animals bad is bad'. I think they tried to have DJ serve as a force of moral ambiguity by having him make that point about the war profiteering applying to both sides but the issue there is: a)You seriously can't say that the First Order, with its Nazism speeches and destruction off multiple planets literally the previous day, is any where near the same morals as the Resistance b) Any ambiguity in DJ is lost when he then betrays Finn and Rose, cementing his place as a villain :/
So I was trying to save my comments on this trilogy till after episode 9. But I did wanna say that the criticisms you brought up are pretty much the same as Most hardcore fans. There's more I cud add to the criticisms but I don't wanna be an asshole about it. Although I will say this is the only Star Wars movie I ever walked out in the middle of. Wen Snoke was "betrayed" I just had to get up and leave. Lol. I did watch it all later cause I wanted so bad to like this trilogy but there's just something un-star wars about it, in my opinion. For those who like it, I'm happy for y'all. I really wish I did, so badly!!! The visuals were amazing I'll give it that.... Hopefully my comments weren't to "Dickish". I swear I don't mean them that way. 🤦🤷
This comment was fine! It's the bullying and insulting towards myself or other people that I was hoping people wouldn't do, because it's just so unnecessary and I've seen it on my previous videos and on other reactor's videos too. Thank you for sharing what you think!
When i left the cinema after watching this movie it was nothing but confusion: Carrie Fisher dead, but Leia alive, and Luke vice versa. What were they going to do from here? In the months that followed the distaste for this movie grew and it made me absolute fed up with SW, and due to this movie i've still refused to watch Solo till this day. After watching dozens of analysis videos on this movie together with Episode 9 my hatred for it has lessened, but imo it's still the worst SW movie till date. There was so much potential with some concepts in this movie and they were just executed very very poorly, and i'm still convinced the higher ups at disney (and Kathleen Kennedy in particular) preferred to push a political agenda above telling a story, pulling in real-life concepts into a sci-fi movie just feels not right. (Jailtime for parking tickets and ships with fuel consumption, really?) The whole Canto Bight sidestory was imo just there to give Finn something to do and push the message of capitalism=bad, and should Rose really explain to a former stormtrooper who was abducted into the FO as a child that child slavery is not right? That whole story could be scrapped from this movie and it would make almost no difference. The whole plot of this movie is pretty weak, with it being basically one big chase scene, and that compared to both the original trilogy and the prequels it's just really weak. I could vent about so much more about what i think is wrong with this movie (looking at you Holdo) but i would be here for ages. Overall this movie had so much potential but execution and agendas from higher up ruined it. Episode 9 fixed and retconned some issues i had with this movie which makes me accept it now, but i still feel it's the worst out of the 9 and a massive "what could have been", and that stings a lot
Anytime I see someone’s criticism of Star Wars aimed at executives of Disney combined with “dozens of analysis videos” with a dash of anti-SJW paranoia all I can think is that RUclips’s algorithm might rank as one of the greatest crimes against humanity. The Rebels striking back against the Empire in A New Hope was George Lucas’s way of expressing his understanding of the Vietnam war. And since your consumption of the alt-right kool aid might be clouding your view I’ll just come out an tell you that George did not see the USA as the rebels in his story. To now complain that there might be political or social commentary being forced into Star Wars is to be completely ignorant of what has always been a part of Star Wars. Hell, it’s always been a part of cinema in general.
Hi KL! I reckon you would love The Mandalorian! Especially when you touched on a film about Luke set between ROTJ and TFA! Oh dear! I think I may have said too much!👍🤘
as much as I hate this movie I gotta say with you first order problems its basically a copy of the empire but anyways they had ship yards in the unknown regions of the galaxy and kidnapped baby's for their army........... And they have multiple star destroyers and we only saw like 6 at star killer base plus before they used star killer base they went around securing some planets plus their other stuff from when they were building up originally was still out there. sorry if this gave you a seizer to read lol
Luke never knew his father, only knew him as Darth Vader, but believed there was still good in him and could be saved. Luke has a bad dream about Ben Solo who he's known his entire life and goes "imma kill this kid" Guess the kid slaying urge is genetic
The lightspeed kamikaze is cool...but it unfortunately can't happen in Star Wars. It's one of those "they thought it was cool and didn't think about it beyond that." Fun fact: Hyperdrives will not activate if there's an obstacle. It's also why you need to punch in coordinates, so the computer can determine which path won't slam you into a planet. They'll also deactivate once you near anything with a field of gravity. It ultimately brings up a flaw that asks, "During the Clone Wars, why didn't the Separatists just use hyperspace capable kamikaze ships with droids if it's THIS effective?"
All of your criticisms are very well said and I almost totally agree. There are great moments in the Sequels but as a whole the story falls apart SO much for me. Like all the actors and actresses are great! But like Admiral Ackbar could have just taken Holdo’s role in this film and they needed to give Luke better reasons for hiding. This one is my favorite Sequel tho still somehow 😅
Hey kaiielle, great reaction! I really appreciate your honest review here. As a standalone movie, it's a perfectly competent film with cool sets and visuals, but the writing really does a huge disservice. Since I don't want to repeat anything anyone else has said, I'll provide my input from a Navy veteran's perspective and as a long-time fan of the written novels. As a submariner (keeping mind that we're talking space navies, warships, and people in isolated metal tubes), Holdo is an infuriating character because TLJ goes out of its way to glorify loathsome characteristics that would be unbecoming of an officer in any professional military where people have to work together to perform highly technical tasks (aka not your normal "grunts"). Leadership *isn't* about telling people _what_ to do, it's about _convincing_ people to do the things that are needed by the larger organization by (1) telling them about the mission (2) telling them why the mission is necessary and (3) explaining what the individual's role is in the performance of that mission. And you can do all that without sacrificing operational security whatsoever. I knew what my role was on my boat: keep the nuclear power plant in good running condition and handle any changes in boat speed (aka "shut up and push" as the non-engineering folk are wont to say). I knew that we, as a crew, served the purpose of nuclear deterrence -- preventing countries like Russia from firing nukes at us. That didn't mean I (personally) needed to know the boat's location or when we were going to turn left, but they generally had answers when we had questions. They also didn't treat us like we were complete children who could be abused at any time. Watching Leia slap Po in the face, in public, to show maternal dominance is extremely unprofessional, demoralizing, and immature. If the captain of a submarine ever slapped a junior officer over a disagreement in tactics, he'd face harsh scrutiny thereafter. Like Will Smith slapping Chris Rock, Leia's actions didn't speak to her stability, but rather it demonstrated the opposite. She sets a poor example for Holdo, who repeats the same error. Like Chris Rock, Po demonstrates better composure by not responding in kind. When you join the military, you get a lot of reading material. For the Navy, one of the most crucial books is called "The Bluejacket's Manual", which describes all kinds of things about military life and the expectations that are placed on sailors. They have sections specifically about leadership, and what you should expect from your superiors (and what people should expect from you, as you raise in ranks and become a leader yourself). I still have this book 20 years later and will quote it for you now: The Bluejacket's Manual (22nd edition, Chapter 4, page 79): " _Good leaders are concerned with more than simply getting a job done. _*_How_*_ the job gets done is also important. What good is a leader who gets a job done but loses the respect of his or her crew in the process? What good is a leader whose methods result in dissention, disorganization, ineffectiveness, or poor morale? ... Good leaders find ways to cause individuals to carry out an assignment willingly rather than out of fear of reprisal._ _... Reverse roles. This is a form of the so-called Golden Rule that appears in the culture of all civilized societies. Whenever you are dealing with subordinates, always treat them the way you would want to be treated if your roles were reversed._ _... Praise in public; correct in private. ... When you have to correct a subordinate, do it in privacy. Embarrassing an individual adds nothing to the learning experience, and learning is the intended purpose of correcting someone who has done something wrong._ _... Keep your subordinates informed. No one likes to be kept in the dark. And a person is usually better able to do a job if he or she understands why that job needs to be done and how it fits into the "big picture". For these reasons, you should keep your subordinates informed as much as possible. Sometimes, for security or other reasons, there will be things you cannot share with your subordinates. But unless these conditions exist, you should make it a common practice to give your subordinates as much information as you can about what they are doing and why they are doing it. This will improve morale and will often help them do a better job._ " Everything Holdo does in this movie is frankly gross. The unprofessionalism, the snide immaturity, the teenager's snarls she beams at Po, it all reeks. I won't say the U.S. Navy doesn't have a lot of "bad" leaders at different commands, but if anyone really acted like Holdo in a life-or-death situation, you'd 100% have a real life mutiny on your hands. Her behavior should not be glorified, and anyone who's served in the armed forces should be quick to clarify this is not how real militaries operate. (Yes, it's fiction, but the writer's ability to create empathetic characters and convey meaningful tales of morality is strictly based on the relatability of the psychology of the characters -- who are decidedly human)
As far as the lore problem, Rian Johnson fully misunderstands George Lucas' meaning of "light" and "dark". To Lucas, "light" is where there is symbiosis between the Force and the force user; "dark" is when the user takes too much, like a cancer or a parasite. When Snoke speaks of light and dark "rising" to "meet" each other, and being opposite sides of the same thing -- that's all wrong. Completely wrong. Rian is thinking of light and dark in a literal interpretation of shadows, whereas Lucas literally had a whole prequel trilogy about the boy who was supposed to bring "balance" to the force by ending the *entire* Sith menace. Meaning NO Sith. All Jedi. No "darkness". "Balance", to Lucas, is when there is only light. "Balance" to Johnson, is when there is only turmoil... from the presence of both light and dark. In Rian's interpretation, the Force intentionally created the Emperor so he could kill all the Jedi, so that there would only be two Sith and only two Jedi. That's NOT the prophecy that the Jedi were excited about (ask Lucas!). Rian's movie also basically says that the Force gives its power to people not by lineage (the way Lucas did), but rather by the Force itself knowing ahead of time which side a user will fall on -- like picking a conservative or liberal judge to be on a court. TLJ fans incorrectly think this is an "optimistic" portrayal of force power acquisition -- proof of freedom! -- but it's literally the opposite. The fact that we got a black woman on the Supreme Court isn't because SHE willed herself to be there -- she's there because of the will of THE PEOPLE (Remember guys? Democracy?). It's the total inverse of individual agency. To be sure, her individual determination resulted in credentials that made her a viable candidate, but there is a big difference between saying, "You can increase your chances of being *selected* by the Force to wield force powers" and saying *"Anyone* can be a force user". Like being a Supreme Court judge, the "anyone" is only rhetorical -- you have to meet certain criteria first, and then the final choice still isn't yours! The philosophical ramifications of these misinterpretations aren't trivial: Rian's take is darkly nihilistic. What's the point of curing cancer if the Force itself will kill people through a different disease (a different "darkness") to counteract the "light" you bring to the universe? Why do anything good, if bad is literally created as a direct consequence of your goodness? This is literally what the movie said about Luke's motivation to go to a distant planet "to die". That is nihilism, not optimism. It's depressing that the optimistic Luke of the original trilogy was warped into a nihilistic character who awaited only death. And Rey didn't change his mind, in my view, as others have argued. He didn't kill Kylo Ren, he didn't stop him in any meaningful way... all he did was delay Kylo and kill himself. Which was his goal at the beginning of the movie.
Another wonderful reaction! I look forward to hearing your thoughts on The Rise of Skywalker after your first watch. I agree with your criticisms of the film but am glad you're able to find things to enjoy as well.
Imagine if you will that you had a project that was your baby. You worked on it everyday for years. You invested your money and time into it. It meant EVERYTHING to you. Then in a blink of an eye, it was taken from you. And it would take you many years to get back what you lost. I don't know about you, but I would feel deflated, depressed, etc. That was Luke in this situation. The worst part is that he blamed himself because he briefly gave into weakness because of it.
"Don't Yuck people's Yums" 😂🤣😂 I'll just simply say that as a stand alone trilogy these movies weren't bad, but they kinda ruined the original ending of the previous trilogy and the characters that have already been established and that we've grown to love. Like especially Luke. That's all I'll say. Hope that wasn't too yucky lol. Edit: best way for me to describe these movies is that they almost feel like a parody.
I hate this film but I am not going to rant too much about it. The best thing about it was the Snoke Rey Kylo fight, and as good as that was...its not Star Wars. It did not feel like Star Wars. I very much agree with your criticism section, and your point about how quickly the First Order somehow gained control is a fundamental plot hole. Other than the Snoke fight scene, I dont really care for the other scenes with the exception of Luke getting fired at by Kylo, and then just dusting his shoulder off like it was nothing, I thought that was actually kind of cool, I did not mind the projection. I did mind very much that it killed Luke and that's the way he went out , I dunno felt kind of cheated there. To sum it up, I dislike this film so much I have not even bothered watching Rise of Skywalker, this film killed my interest in new Star Wars content if I am brutally honest. Force Awakens was a free hit and at least entertaining, and Rogue one was actually really good. But Solo and TLJ are drivel and I wish they were not made (Solo is a better film than TLJ but its ulltimatley very pointless)
Really disliked the movie back in theatres. But after giving it another chance (and having watched a video on the film by the RUclipsr Nerrel) I came to love it. I always describe it as the sequel movie with the most "honest flaws". It's definitely awkward in a few places, but it feels...very human with it, if that makes sense. They had the very unforgiving task at picking up at a cliffhanger ending from a movie that basically served as a giant "reset button" for it's entire universe, and as such, TLJ ended up receiving a lot of criticism for things that TFA was actually "at fault" for (such as Luke's exile or the Bad Guys ruling again). Yet they did a fantastic job at naturally following up and tying up the lose ends, without disregarding its predecessor. Btw definitely check out the deleted scene of the "Finn vs Phasma" sequence. Real shame that that didn't make it to the movie.
Yep, totally agree on pretty much the entire reaction! I'm still 50/50 on the whole film after multiple watches. I will say tho, i really appreciated Holdo as a character, and will forever wish they'd got a droid to pilot the ship. Laura Dern is far too good to waste! Can't wait for the next reaction vid :)
So I am a 40+ year old Star Wars fan and I really REALLY liked The Force Awakens and was super hyped to see this one. I sat down in the theater opening night excited for some answers and left very very confused as to what I had just watched. My confusion however turned into absolutely hating it the more I thought about it. You hit a lot of the same issues I had with this movie in your criticism of it, but just to expand upon some of it from my point of view: The worst part of this movie by far is the way Luke is handled. It felt like an absolute character assassination and there is no reason given why he has changed that much. As you said people change, but if you are going to go this wild you better explain it and they don't. It just feels kinda gross to do that to the character and the fans who they had hyped up "Omg Luke Skywalker is going to be in these movies!" to. Mark Hamill himself won't come out directly and say it but he does not seem happy about it either. Right behind Luke is Rey. I know you said you didn't mind it but at least you recognize Rey is pretty much the Omega Mary Sue character in this movie. The best at everything, everyone loves her, everything goes her way and doesn't experience any real hardships. The funny part is I rolled my eyes at the people who called her a Mary Sue in the first movie cause I was like ok well come on its the first movie surely they are going to explain this and throw some hardships in her wa... no... nope she's uh a total Mary Sue. WOW. Last one I will really get into is the whole space chase/hyperspace track plot that takes up a huge part of the movie. It is nonsensical. First of all, tracking through hyperspace was shown to be possible in the very first movie. They tracked the Falcon back to the Rebel base. Their first thought should have been omg we have a traitor who has a tracker on the ship but they acted like it shouldn't be possible at all. But THEN Finn also agrees it's impossible to track through hyperspace only to minutes later say he not only mopped the floor in the tracker room but knows exactly how it works and that every ship has one. WAT. Oh and capital ships running out of fuel had never been a thing till just now. So that was weird that it was suddenly a big plot device. Also Holdo just explaining to people what is going on as more and more panic sets in would have helped a lot as opposed to telling Poe to just go away and obey without question. I could keep going but uh yeah I didn't like it. lol
To claim that Luke’s character was assassinated seems to say more about your expectations than it does about the movie itself. From his last appearance in 1983, fans that grew up with the original trilogies have had decades to imagine what Luke has gone on to do and become. Supplement those imaginings with the dozens of books and games from numerous different authors and our brains are filled with an idea of who Luke is now and anything that doesn’t fit those visions is immediately rejected as “wrong.” That’s why TFW tends to go down better with original fans. Han and Leia are portrayed as nearly unchanged from their last appearance in 1983. There is no dissonance with our memories. You may have noticed that most reactors who have come to the saga recently don’t tend to see Luke’s attitude as “assassination” of the character. They haven’t had decades of rewatches of the original trilogy to cement the characters in their minds. They don’t tend to see the mind bridge as BS because for them they are still learning what the force is and how it works. Older fans tend to dislike it and my own initial reaction was rejection because my own countless rewatches never allowed that such a thing was possible. This all reminds me of how much I initially disliked the prequels because it added so much stuff that wasn’t there in the originals . . . midichlorians, space diners, threepio’s origin, Jango. But the kids who only saw the originals once or twice before growing up with the prequels tend to not have a problem with those things. Now that they are older though, a lot of them seem to be going through the same initial rejection of the sequels that I had for the prequels. For many of us, there seems to be a sweet spot in age that allows the particular trilogy current for the time to become cemented in our memories as the “real” Star Wars. Just watch, the kids growing up with the current movies will invariably hate the next set of films released 10-15 years from now even as their own children love them. That is, if Disney allows enough time to pass for the sequels to become cemented. Now the nitpicks, tracking through hyperspace in ANH and TPM was only possibly because a transmitter was physically placed aboard the Falcon and Slave-1. This tracking was different. No homing beacon. Finn did not say anything about knowing where the tracking room was. Rose, as an engineer, deduced that the tracking would have to be done in conjunction with certain equipment that all starships possess already. Finn simply possessed the knowledge of where that particular equipment would be located. The mirroring of his dialogue to Rose’s explanation of how the tracking works is a common script tool used in many films to allow the audience to more easily accept what is really utter nonsense dialogue. Having multiple characters agree that this gibberish makes sense gives the viewer’s brain permission to ignore the hard task of trying to actually reason out what it all means. If the second character doesn’t mirror or seems to express doubt or confusion then the viewer will also feel the same way. If that isn’t what the writer or director wants the audience to feel then they have to take steps to prevent it. You will find this technique used all the time. It isn’t a plot hole it’s the storyteller telling you what the important pieces of information are and what dialogue can be safely ignored. My biggest problem with the chase is that the First Order should be more than capable of projecting the Resistance fleet’s course and send one Destroyer ahead through hyperspace to cut them off. I may of disliked the chase plot mechanic but it’s no worse than the Falcon fleeing the Imperial Fleet in the Hoth system and somehow ending up in the Noad system despite having never gotten its light speed engines to work.
I'm going to post replies as I go through the thoughts section because it's easier that way, so do forgive the multiple posts. It's important to remember that Starkiller base was just a weapon, and not the home of the First Order. The majority of the First Order were not on or at Starkiller base. It was a secret weapons project, so the majority of the First Order wouldn't even have been aware of it. It had enough personnel to operate the weapon and defend the base, but it was not the main repository of their military forces. The First Order is made up of the remnants of the Empire. Systems that either remained loyal, or where Imperial rule endured. The First Order isn't a small faction, but a sizeable government that controls a significant percentage of the Galaxy. For ease of understanding, and these numbers are in no way official, but think of the First Order as ruling maybe 20% of the galaxy.
When I first saw this in theaters I was kinda thrown off by that comedic exchange between Poe and Hux 😅 I don't hate this movie at all but it's my least favorite of the sequel trilogy. I didn't like how this movie tried to make Rey some nobody from nowhere when the first movie teased her origins. I had other smaller nitpicks but other than that I thought the movie was fine. My favorite part in the movie was the Force Ghost Yoda scene 💚
I'm always interested in seeing new reactions to this movie in particular, and I can respect the opinions of those who enjoy it, even though I don't enjoy it myself. You and I had similar first reactions to the movie overall, with one initial difference: I had seen the trailer before the movie came out where Luke says, "It's time for the Jedi to end," and that had already rubbed me the wrong way. I was worried they would even go as far as having Luke fall to the dark side (also since the title text for TLJ is colored red rather than yellow), which I would've hated. So I was actually more willing to accept his real failure with Kylo, especially once it seemed like Luke was going to rejoin the fight, fix his mistakes, and fulfill his duty of restoring the jedi order. But Luke's death was too much for me to accept, because it made his failures permanent. He left the galaxy alone and didn't offer any meaningful help once he briefly returned, he didn't do anything to help redeem Ben, and he didn't play any role in restoring the jedi order. I know that isn't a problem for everyone, but as someone who watched the original trilogy over and over as a kid, I never had any interest in seeing Luke broken down to that extent, especially when the justification for his cynicism was as thin as it was. I don't begrudge anyone liking the movies, and even though I had preferences about the sequels focusing on a new jedi order, I was ready to go along with their direction until the choices they made with Luke became incompatible with my enjoyment of his character in the originals.
Another example of the cemented version of characters due to repeated viewings over decades in dissonance with the story in front of them. There’s a reason Rogue One is generally the most well received of the new movies by older fans. None of the primary characters existed in anyone’s memory before the movie premiered. No one was experiencing wave after wave of dissonance between memory and what was on screen on premiere night.
@@vandalhooch9773 Rogue One is over-rated. One thing Rogue One got right, unlike Solo, was the droids. Droids are the best part about the original. Edit: remove the Droid from Rogue One and movie sucks. Remove the Droid from Solo and it's much better.
I get what you mean with the disorganized Resistance, but they did make a pretty big point about all of their high command but Leia dying on the bridge. Probably the high command was the only group of people who were actually experienced and once they got wiped out it was just hotshot rookies like Poe trying to take control.
I agree with u on the Leah out in Space scene that was quite a reach. One impossible scene that I saw first hand was the bombing scene early in the film. The bombs after release would have floated away. It is weightless in space. U can drop anything straight down.
Kylo and Rey's conversations are interesting, how? I thought it was creepy, weirdly erotic and cringy that Rey seemed mildly attracted to his psthological rhetoric as though its sexy.
I'm not going to lie but I do like 7 8 and 9 where they great no! did I disagree with some of the stuff and choices they made yes! But all in all I did still enjoy them I just don't like people who hate them and then telling u your not a real Star wars fan or your opinion is wrong!
To me this was the weakest movie of the sequel trilogy still love it but i think JJ should have done all three because the last one is amazing it’s my favorite of the trilogy and my 4th favorite in the saga after the original three
Personally I don't love this movie. It is my least favorite star wars movie, HOWEVER, it is a star wars movie and for that I still enjoy it. The cinematics and visuals in this movie were AMAZING, the fight scenes with kylo and rey, the speeder battle on crait. Those were shot so well. But yes, the movie felt like it really dragged and ultimately the casino scenes with rose and finn didn't interest me and I didn't really care for their characters in this movie. I think what really rubbed me the wrong way with this movie were how it started to be honest. It put a bad taste in my mouth with Luke throwing the lightsaber at the start and when Leia was blown into space I expected her to be dead. I remember looking at my brother in the theater when she started floating back in and we were both just dumbfounded. (Since you've seen and uploaded your Ep. 9 reaction I'll go a bit deeper on that now). With no jedi training there's no way (in my opinion) that that makes any sense. 9 kinda fixed that for me partially. But I feel like I shouldn't need to see the next movie to have less problems with a scene. This movie has it's flaws certainly, but the visuals are great, it has super entertaining moments, and I enjoyed it overall. I enjoyed your take on it though, thanks for always having a deep and thought-out breakdown.
For me still the best Star Wars movie. Easily a 10/10. Second place would be Episode 5. When it first released I was mixed about it and my feeling turned back and forth all the time for the first 1,5 years. But after that I started to permanently love this movie. Back then I also had times where I hated it. I thought it was the worst Star Wars movie and thought that everything Disney did with Star Wars is bad. So I think it's interesting how much my opinions changed towards it. Definitely something that doesn't happen often.
Thank you for sharing! I have a feeling that my opinions will adjust over time too. It's natural that happens as personal circumstances and experiences change. I'm going to be releasing an "overall thoughts about Star Wars" video on May 4th, that will be recorded after I complete a second watch through of all 11 movies, without the camera on, in silence. Just me and a notepad. I am also going to watch my first reactions back and note anything that my opinion may have already changed on. I'm super excited to do this.
@@kaiielle Very excited for that. Yeah, The Last Jedi is one of these movies that people change their minds on after watching it a second time. Most people have mixed feelings after finishing it. And after the second viewing the opinion goes into one direction in a very clear way. The ones who give it a 1/10 and say it's the worst movie ever made and the ones who give it a 9-10/10 and say it's a masterpiece. There are some people who are in between that but when you look at the reactions online, most people are very clear about their feelings towards it. With The Force Awakens or The Rise of Skywalker it's pretty clear after watching it the first time. If you loved it, you'll still love it in the future and if you hated it, you'll still hate it in the future. But The Last Jedi is such an ambitious movie that challenges the audience and especially the hardcore fans. It's not an easy pill to swallow for most people.
@@RamielDerLinke It's fascinating to me that these two movies seriously divided the fan base into two. I dunno if that's happened with any other franchise?
@@kaiielle It definitely happened with The Last of Us when Part 2 came out in 2020. The first game was loved by everyone and everyone was excited for the second part. When that one came out, people said that it is a brilliant continuation of the first game and others said that it completely ruins the first game and its characters. The debates were very comparable to the ones on The Last Jedi. Only difference is that Star Wars was a 40 year old movie franchise when The Last Jedi came out and The Last of Us has only been 7 years old when Part 2 released. And of course Star Wars is much bigger than The Last of Us. But it was very similar.
@@RamielDerLinke Great comparison. While I haven't played TLOU games (don't own a PS), I watched full playthroughs of both games here on RUclips. I am definitely in the camp of people who really enjoyed TLOU2. I honestly really enjoy how the story was portrayed through the eyes of two different people connected to the situation in two very heartbreaking ways.
So I ended up loving this film in theaters. However I am 100% behind you on the criticism. I wanted to see Leia use the Force since she has it due to being a Skywalker. So I loved seeing it in this film. The problem I have though is I think flying Space Leia could have been done better, I felt it was very, out of not character for her persay but out of character story telling? If that made sense? Luke’s arch I think is SO large and I do believe that the film did good for what it was. Meaning they had to write others arch’s too, I think if we focused too much on Luke it would take away from the rest of the rest of the film. I would love to learn more about Luke over the last 30 years.
If i had to Rank all of the movies i would go like this 1. Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back ( 99% ) 2. Episode 6: Return Of The Jedi ( 97% ) 3. Episode 3: Revenge Of The Sith ( 95% ) 4. Episode 4: A New Hope ( 91% ) 5. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story ( 86% ) 6. Episode 7: The Force Awakens ( 72% ) 7. Episode 9: The Rise Of Skywalker ( 65% ) 8. Solo: A Star Wars Story ( 56% ) 9. Episode 2: Attack Of The Clones ( 49% ) 10. Episode 8: The Last Jedi ( 46% ) 11. Episode 1: The Phantom Menace ( 43% ) 12. The Clone Wars Movie ( 30% )
I'm not too sure where I'd put the spin off's, but for the main 9 I'd go: 1) Revenge of the Sith (10/10) 2) The Empire Strikes Back (10/10) 3) Return of the Jedi (9/10) 4) A New Hope (8/10) 5) The Phantom Menace (8/10) 6) Attack of the Clones (7/10) 7) The Last Jedi (6/10) 8) The Force Awakens (5/10) 9) The Rise of Skywalker (4/10) :)
@@onemoreminute0543 Yeah i used to Really Hate Episode 9 with a burning passion if you ask me to rank the movies a month ago it would be below TcW movie but over the time after rewatching it i thought it was a great movie just not a great star wars movie Same Goes for TfA
One thing all Star Wars fans CAN agree on with this film: The scene with shirtless Kylo Ren is holy and must be preserved at all costs. Also gave rise to great meme 'Ben Swolo' 😂
Mark Hamill was low key dissing this movie constantly - even going so far as to call the character he was meant to portray here "Jake Skywalker". The problem is that Rian Johnson is a budget M Night Shyamalan and his entire deal here was to subvert expectations for the sake of it. Everyone expected Rey's parentage to be a big deal and so he had her parents be nobodies. The Emperor was powerful and could have easily killed Luke when he refused to fight, so Snoke dies in the most pathetic way possible. Finn was about to sacrifice himself in truly heroic exit, so he was denied that. Leia looks like she's dead, so she has a Mary Poppins moment that looks ridiculous. Luke looks like he's coming around, but then it's just a force projection and he dies from exertion. The movie is the ultimate troll for the sake of being a troll and it was so effective that Colin Trevarow had to ditch his entire script for Episode 9 (which is because there was no grand unifying plan between all 3 movies here) and wound up quitting over creative differences. This movie divided and alienated the fans so much that Solo wound up losing money at the box office, because people deserted it in droves. This wound up causing so much of a mess with no loos ends properly being left open, that Episode 9 is a bit of a mess that doesn't really make anyone happy. Mind you the writing was on the wall with Rogue One. One of LucasArts' earliest Star Wars video games that wasn't a video game retelling of the original trilogy, was Dark Forces. It told the story of not only how the Rebels got the Death Star plans, but a major side story between Episodes 4 and 5. The main character, Kyle Katarn, took on a life of their own when in the sequel game, they learned they were Force sensitive and eventually became an instructor at Luke Skywalker's reformed Jedi Academy on Yavin 4. That was just tossed aside, like the rest of the Expanded Universe, by Kathleen Kennedy, who lied and claimed that the failures of the Sequel Trilogy were because they had nothing to work with. In reality, there are hundreds of books which were written covering more than 40 years after Return of the Jedi. There was no Ben Solo, but Ben Skywalker, who was the child of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade - a former force sensitive operative of the Emperor's. Han and Leia had 3 children - twins Jacen and Jaina and their younger brother Anakin - with Jacen's story arc taking a very tragic and dark turn - one which paralleled that of his grandfather, but was even more tragic. Most fans regard the Thrawn Trilogy, written in 1991 by Timothy Zahn and set 5 years after ROTJ, as the unofficial episodes 7-9, while the Jedi Academy Trilogy, written in 1994 by Kevin J Anderson and set 2 years after the Thrawn Trilogy, is regarded as the unofficial episodes 10-12. I don't know if you like audio books, but if you're loving Star Wars as much as you sound like you are, you really should check out those stories. It will be another reason why you come to understand the ire which many fans hold towards the Sequel Trilogy.
I've had a bunch of folks recommend SW books to me now and I'll def add them to the list. I have so many series on my list and working through two at the moment (one of them being The Expanse book series... one of my favourite TV shows of all time). One day I will get to them. Thanks for your comment!
One other thing I'll add. Rey being perfect at everything is a problem when her story is supposed to be a hero's journey. We're meant to see someone with talent struggle and show promise: everything looks great for them in the 1st act, in the 2nd act they struggle and wind up in a dark valley where they're at their lowest point by its end and then they rise up to their true peak in the 3rd act. The OT did this well with all of Luke's strengths being weaknesses in the 2nd act and leading to a downfall which culminated in the loss of his hand. None of that happened with Rey, which is why she's rightly criticised as a Mary Sue, which is ultimately a criticism of how the character was written and directed, rather than of the idea of Rey or of Daisy Ridley's portrayal of her per se.
Its a given that a sequel can't satisfy everyone, because taste is subjective and everyone has their own opinions on how a story should progress. The Jurassic Park series, Ghostbusters 2, the Matrix sequals and even Empire Strikes Back, regardless of frame, all had their fans and critics, both when they first came out and today and whatever their opinions people are entitled to them, so long as they act mature and civil about them. However though the vitriol and spite I've seen online due to this film has been nothing short of heinous with many of the excuses given outright deluded, to the point I wonder if those harping on this film were actually paying attention to it. I personally just don't get, I mean, the acting is good, the effects are good, the story is compelling the music is memorable and it outright refuses to let cynicism win, portraying it as something to overcome or be avoided. That's something I've noticed, a lot of films these days have their narratives wallow in cynicism because of the erroneous belief that misary means quality, when really its about execution, not content. Personally I think we should appreciate any media that at least has a hopful conclusion or a the very least acknowledges good exists, even if the situation is complex. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I liked the film and I'll understand it if someone else didin't, if they can at least rise above the sterotype of the unpleasable entitled fan to be civil as well.
The cultural garbage around this movie is crazy. Your criticisms are more harsh than anything I ever said, but I was attacked so much that I disabled my Twitter account. I am glad you are doing this now, not then. Keep up the good work. 👍
Damn, I'm so sorry you were attacked for sharing your criticisms. 😭 People can really be terrible. Was the main reason why I had the intro I did for this particular reaction. It's too bad that most people aren't that passionate about things that actually matter. Thanks for your comment!
I'm rather critical of this film, but I do agree that the backlash to this film was just cringe to watch. The song changed from 'George Lucas raped our childhood!' to 'Rian Johnson raped our childhood!' For godsake, ITS A MOVIE ABOUT SPACE WIZARDS . It's not the bloody library of Alexandria :0
Love your reactions. I have one disagreement. Rey doesn’t have a full arc. She is so perfect and while you mentioned you know people like that, Rey has been fighting, flying and excelling over everybody and i would have preferred the approach done with Luke: a progression to becoming a Jedi. i love Daisy Ridley and would have liked better writing for her character.
I'm glad as a new fan you can at least enjoy this movie. I just can't like or enjoy this movie. As a long time star wars fan I know too much of the lore and franchise to be able to let go of all the things this movie outright ignores. Ontop of the subpar writing/pacing, and lack of consitant story threads from the prior movie, it's just too much for my mind to let slide. At least the next movie tries to rectify some of the problems. Sadly it also makes it's own problems due to having to try to fix this ones.
Sad to say I agree with you. Humour and messaging wise this seemed so wrong, tonally. The motivations were bizarre too. I did really enjoy seeing Yoda, and the design was great. But characterisation...not consistent with what came before.
I would be honest, I love this movie, after Ep III it is my second favorite SW movie. I know for many it can be “stupid” or “bad” movie, but I just love it. It has without any question the best visuals and cinematography, new point of view on the Force and the story (even if it’s not the best) is at least original (unlike Ep VII). Yeah some characters aren’t my favorite (like Rose or Finn) but I really love Snoke here as a villain (his design, voice and powers are so cool + his guards at least do something unlike Palpatine’s), Kylo Ren is amazing, Rey is good character but I just don’t like how good she is in everything and of course Luke. Luke is for me believable character here, becose we change our opinions and personality as we get old so even tho they could do his decisions better I feel his character was done pretty good on those circumstances (plus I love the redemtion arc at the end and Yoda’s lesson about failure), and if someone says he doesn’t make any sence, Obi-Wan and Yoda did the same thing (“failed” and went into exile and Yoda even didn’t want to teach Luke). As for Holdo, I disliked her at first but at the end I liked her redemtion (also love her character in Jurassic Park so…). Overall I must say I just don’t understand the hate, but I respect if someone dislike this movie even if I love it (becose I for example didn’t enjoy New Hope, Return of the Jedi, Phantom Menace, Rogue One and SOLO but that doesn’t mean someone else don’t love them). I just so respect people like you who even if they didn’t enjoy this movie as much as me, still doesn’t want any toxic haters here and respect others opinion, great reaction as well.
I love Snoke too, but to be fair to Palpatine's Royal Guards, they were of comparable strength and skill to Snoke's Praetorian Guards, the only difference is that the Emperor sent them away in Return of the Jedi when the big confrontation went down so we never got to see them jump into a fight, whereas Snoke kept his guards with him in his throne room, so they were able to jump into the fight. So I wouldn't downplay Palpatine's Royal Guards that much, as they get lots of time to shine in other Star Wars media.
@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain I agree but I will always remember them for that 1 second in Ep III (when Yoda just waves them out of the way like socks). Sad but we don’t have much of them as badass guards in the movies.
34:05 You'll notice this was the same music in the scene in Return of The Jedi where Luke tells Leia she is his sister. Was so awesome to see in the theater.
Kylo and Rey's relationship and Luke's final shot were the best parts of the movie... Thankfully, in my opinion, Rise of Skywalker redeems this trilogy in many ways and Its Definitely my favorite of the 3 despite it not being a perfect film.
Wow you are one of the few people I’ve seen with this point of view that I mostly agree with. Why do you think some people attack The Rise of Skywalker so much?
@@ralfuz777 honestly I'm not sure.. obviously no spoilers but I think they were unhappy with the direction they took certain characters... It's not perfect like I said but it had essentially all the payoffs I wanted and expected to get... I knew I wouldn't get them all but what I got I was satisfied with... I'll comment more once the video is posted haha
Someone might have already said it, but we first saw a ‘Force communication’ in ESB when Vader and Luke were talking to each other from different starships at the end of the movie
Keep your comments respectful, please! 💛 EDIT: It's been 3.5 hours since this video was pushed out and I SO APPRECIATE all of the civil discourse in this comment section about your likes and dislikes and more, thank you so much everyone.
Side note: I mega apologize for the one or two pixel width gap on the far right side of the screen during this entire reaction. If you're like me and notice things like that, it can be a bit distracting at times, so I'm so sorry! Of course, I only noticed it once the video was uploaded and cleared and it would be been an absolute pain to fix. 😂 Thanks for watching! ✦ KL
This is the first time I come across your channel. Loved your reaction. Its my least favourite SW film but some of my friends love it and we always have a good laugh discussing our likes and dislikes over a few beers. But it's only in jest and Im impressed with the comments here. Everyone is being so civil. Which is the way it should be. I like hearing both sides... I just subscribed...
1. The same thing happened in A New Hope. We knew really nothing about the empire but that it was in power and evil just like the first order. Then its massive base blew up and only Vader was left. So no different than The Force Awakens. In empire, suddenly we see dozens of imperial ships and they're still very much in power and chasing the alliance that seemed to just be celebrating at the end of the movie. Same with the first order. They are spread throughout the universe and have bases all over. Also no doubt many fled the base when it was breaking up in the first movie.
2. Leia's scene was epic. Out of the blue it showed she did have the force and was able to anticipate what was coming to protect herself in the force then force pull herself back to the ship. That was an epic way to reveal what we assumed was true about Luke's sister.
3. Finn had a major arc. He started off the movie still running and only thinking of Rey but by the end he realized he was part of a bigger purpose and was willing to sacrifice himself head on for it to save everyone rather than running.
4. Rey has a special connection to the force so that's why she's able to do so much. You'll learn more
5. Something to ponder before watching the last movie. During Snoke interrogating Rey, the emperor's theme is playing and for a reason. 😉 It will pay off.
6. Poe's character arc was major in realizing how important it is to lead and not just act which will pay off in the final movie
7. There is also a major reason why Rey and kylo are so conflicted about each other. It also pays off in last movie! 😎👍 Can't wait till you watch it
@@briansview2886 with all due respect, new hope and force awakens endings, that lead into sequels is completely different. In OT They were an empire scatered throughout and rulling the galaxy for twenty so years. The first order was a rogue secret army hiding out on Starkiller base. Where were the other ships hiding and how did they get funding to become so huge in secret. The new Republic capital plannets had been blown up but they, like the empire had been governing the galaxy for thirty years.. so what happened to the rest of the Republic spread out throughout the gallaxy. Why didn't they come to help. Rian just wanted it to be just like empire strikes back, a cheap reset, so the good guys are the under dogs again. JJ is to be blamed for this too. You say finn arc was brilliant as he went from a coward, who only cared about Rey and wanting to run away. To being a brave resistance fighter. That's a complete repeat beat by best of his arc in force awakens... Leia could not have possibly survived in space for that long without her eyes popping out and freezing to death. That's why the fighter pilots wear those uniforms. Plus it was filmed terribley. People laughed out loud in the cinema. And Poe should not have been demouted. Not only did he just blow up star killer base but he made the right call blowing up the Dreadnaught. It was a fleet killer. When Leia demouted him, she never knew Hux had ability to track them through lightpeed. When they appeared, if that Dreadnaught had been there, they all be dead with its long firing range. That's why Leia let's him fight. There are so many plot holes in this film. Like why, instead of that boring slow space chase didn't the first order just light speed Infront of resistance, then take them out. They also had windows on there star destroyers. Did holdo not suspect that their very last ship, as it passed the planet, the escape shuttles would not be seen... And why not just tell her people the plan, they were down to last ship. I'm surprised the whole fleet hadn't caused a mutiny sooner. To them she was acting insane. There are many things to enjoy in this film and I'm glad you loved it. But the plotholes are gigantic and can't be ignored. It's lazy writing that should have gone through several more drafts to refine it. Rian is the only writer credited.. it's lazy rushed writing for such a huge film and middle part of a trilogy.
@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God and the Dreadnaught would have killed all of them later if Poe hasn't took it out. Plus he had just hours before blew up starkiller base, saving them all
Loved your review and agree with you 100%. About the scene where Leia survived in space; I agree it was kinda corny but it is an actual fact that Jedi can survive the vacuum of space for a short time. They actually briefly show this in clone wars. Just thought I'd share that, no negativity here! Keep up the awesome reviews!
It's just amazing to me that they had no clear path how the story will unfold. Its crazy. All three sequels retconned each other 🤣
My feelings are that Lucasfilm thought they could do what Kevin Feige does for the MCU in that he plans out the movies as they go along. However, Feige plans out in “phase” increments in that he plans out everything for Phase 3 before moving on to Phase 4, 5, 6, etc. Star Wars is different because you have to have the entire plot laid out in three movies, not 21 (excluding the movies/shows from Phase 4); so, you can’t really change stuff as you go along.
Plus, I feel that if Disney *really* wanted to take this radically new approach, they should’ve given the reigns to Rian Johnson in the TFA and let him handle the trilogy himself. My biggest point here is that Abrams and Johnson are so diametrically opposed to each other, that it was next to impossible for Disney to get this trilogy right. Abrams really just wanted to the original trilogy again, while Johnson wanted to go outside of the box and be more “artsy.” I feel that it was a necessary for the TFA to be essentially be ANH because as Nostalgia Critic put it in his review, Disney wanted to show that they could make an actual Star Wars movie after the negative reaction towards the prequels when they were released.
The one thing that Disney did plan (allegedly) was that the Jedi figure was always meant to be a woman. A couple of years ago on the RUclips channel Film Theory, the sister channel to MatPat’s Game Theory, he talked in a video about how there was some leaked document from Disney executives where they stated that they “…wanted the main character [of the sequel trilogy] to be a woman.”
JJ did create a rough outline for the 3 movies to follow when he did Force Awakens. Johnson ignored it.
@@Gundam944 He didn't even know Reys heritage when they were SHOOTING the Rise of Skywalker 😏
@@Small-Chap That doesn't honestly surprise me.
It is frustrating. Kaiielle hit on this, a bit. I can’t be upset that the plots went in unexpected directions and places. New and different is great. But the storylines begun in TFA, the potential trajectories, and mysteries were cut off in unsatisfying fashion. “Didn’t see that coming?” is not a sufficient narrative strategy.
I originally liked the movie in theater but after thinking about what i actually saw… i started to hate it. Specifically what they did with luke. There is no way in hell anyone can convince me this is what luke would have done after return of the jedi.
My main issue with how he was in this movie was just the lack of explaining why. People can change DRASTICALLY in 30 years. I would have liked more of a showing as to why he was this way. Ideally a whole movie set sometime between ROTJ and TFA would be perfect.
@@kaiielle yeah i agree people can change especially over three decades but… doing this wrecked luke’s standing as the most hopeful hero in the star wars universe. He saw good in vader when no one else did and now he did a 180. Even with a proper explanation why, it doesnt change the fact that lukes character is ruined. All in solely my opinion, of course. Not trying to be argumentative in any way, just explaining why i have a problem with the movie.
Your comments are good, and doesn't feel argumentative at all. I appreciate your perspective and opinion. 😊
@@kaiielle thanks, looking forward to your next star wars reaction! Im happy to see that you genuinely analyze the movies unlike other reactors who are pretty superficial.
@@Brandon_501 Thank you! Recording the end of my videos is the most fun for me. As soon as the movie is over, I open up a document on my PC and start dumping out my thoughts. I think this video took an hour of writing my talking points out before I started recording it. It's a really enjoyable part of this experience for me, so I'm glad that there are people who enjoy it.
I really wish Rey and Kylo joined to create a third faction. The Rey and Kylo scenes are the best part
This is the only apparance of Holdo and there is a line in the Rise of Skywalker that directly apologizes to the fans for her embarrassingly obvious bad command decisions here.
I think what makes me like this film more than its other two counterparts is that the director Rian Johnson wanted to actually try and deconstruct the Star Wars story in ways that were actually thought-provoking or profound, instead of replicating what had already been done before.
While I do think that he ultimately fell short, I respect his direction and would actually be down to see him try his hand at another SW project, with him telling the story from the start himself.
Some fans seem to think 'omg he is da worst diwecta eva!', and I remember there being similar cries against at Lucas during the prequels. To which I say:
Guys, you do know that Johnson directed the BrBa episode 'Ozymandias', arguably the best episode of television ever put on screen, and which was the only tv episode to have a 10/10 rating on IMDb until a few months ago? 😂😂
He also directed Knives Out which is one of my favourite movies of all time!
@@kaiielle I haven't seen Knives Out, but I've heard only good things about it. Definitely need to check it out :)
@@onemoreminute0543 Would recommend. Great casting and a great story.
Ozymandias didnt save him lol his trilogy is done
Love your review! So Starkiller base had a TON of First Order troops onboard, but not all of them! The First Order is suggested to be just as vast as the Empire was (though I agree that doesn’t make much sense)! I also agree that all the Luke, Rey, Kylo, and Snoke scenes were the best parts! Snoke COULD sense what Kylo was doing with the saber, but he misinterpreted it as Kylo planning to kill Rey! Force users can’t read minds, but they can feel emotions and intentions! So Kylo was careful to reveal only what could be interpreted as him attacking Rey! Snoke sensed him “turning the lightsaber to strike true, igniting it, and killing his true enemy,” and that COULD have meant Rey, but it really meant Snoke!
Laura Dern a new character. From the Jurrasis Park franchise.
luke was projecting himself using the force, the dice disappeared because he brought them, part of the projection
early in the movie kylo told rey that she couldnt have bridged their minds, or projected herself to him, cause the effort would kill her. they establish that its a massive exertion of power to do so. luke sacrificed himself by overexerting his force abilities in order to let leia and the resistance escape, the ultimate jedi move
Truly a badass way to go out.
And Luke was projecting himself as the last look Kylo Ren remembered him as: a younger self.
@@ARandomInternetUser08 And with Anakin's lightsaber, which was split in half just hours earlier. Kylo should have known, but he was too consumed with anger to pay attention.
I do love that Yoda came back for one last lesson to impart on Luke. Sure it would've been awesome to have it be Obi-Wan but having Yoda do it just feels proper. Makes you wonder how many students had he seen fall and try to come to terms with it?
I don’t think you could have obi wan because you would have to use Alec Guinness and unfortunately you can’t unless you cgi him or possibly use Ewan mcgregor
Then again Ewan mcgregor doesn’t look old
@@leach9622 They could have used Alec Guinness's likeness like Tarkin in Rougue One.
Fun trivia fact: The porgs, those birdlike creatures on the island, were created because the island on which they shot the scenes for Luke's exile is a bird sanctuary area and it is populated with puffins. These little porgs were conceived to cover up the native birds as they could not be feasibly moved. They were then worked into the story.
And it was both easier and cheaper for them to CGI something (Porgs) over the puffins than it was to digitally erase them.
@@loganessex699 I wouldn't have minded if they just kept the puffins. They already look otherworldly, and they're absolutely adorable.
I'll note that Kylo prompts Rey to say who her parents were but SHE says they were "nobody" first which I consider important. It's not him revealing something to her that may or not be a lie. it's literally what she already knows but has told HERSELF couldn't be true because she's lived alone for so long and longs for family and community. Prior to the end of the movie she hasn't even met Poe and at the start only really knew Finn who was in coma, Chewie and Leia so the Resistance is hardly that community at this point.
I know some folks see Kylo's "you come from nothing, join me" as manipulation but to me reads more similarly to say Mr. Darcy's initial proposal to Elizabeth in Pride and Predjudice. He's not trying to coerce or trick her, he's just a dummy who doesn't know how to talk to a pretty girl from a polar opposite upbringing. He's grown up burdened with all the legacies of being the son of THE Han Solo, THE Leia Organa, and nephew of THE Luke Skywalker and feeling completely isolated in that (something snoke latches onto while he's young.)
They both see the possibility of connection with each other. To him it's a way out of the weight of bloodlines and dynasties, he wants it all gone but burning the past entirely means not learning from it. (like how yoda goes ahead and burns the tree cause luke needed to move and then we see the texts in a drawer in the Falcon because as yoda says cleverly "Wisdom they held, but that library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess" cause she literally took them. ) She sees who he could be but again like Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy can't in good conscience take his hand while he's on the path he's on
Calm down
Unpopular opinion but I actually like the sequel trilogy. It’s not perfect and not without problems but none of the three trilogies are perfect and I enjoyed watching all of these immensely when they first came out. I like the characters and there are some pretty good ideas behind it.
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I actually like Kylo Ren's outbursts, it really hammers home that this is a man who left home and parent's at 10 years old to become a Jedi, and never went home again. He acts like a moody teenager, because he has the emotional maturity of one.
Anakin: "Took me over a decade of training to be strong in the force."
Luke: "Took me 4 years to just barely be skilled."
Rey: "I became a god in 2 days."
I still have trouble understanding how Luke thought he could save Darth Vader and didn't want to kill him, but wanted to murder his own nephew, because of the "darkness inside of him?" Makes ZERO sense. You're telling me Kylo is more in touch with the dark side than Darth Vader? Nonsense. Laughable even. I really wanted to like these movies, but I can't. Rogue One was the ONLY new Star Wars film I actually enjoyed. This trilogy is lazy.
@@ethanvilla4418 you summed it up 👌🏽 😔
Luke spends one day traveling with Ben and can then use the force to destroy the Death Star.
Luke spends a few days with Yoda and then leaves to challenge Darth Vader and ends up holding his own.
Anakin has never been in space but jumps in a star fighter and wrecks an entire droid fleet including a battleship as a child.
To complain about time compression is to fail to understand the difference between reality and myth. Mythic quests and journeys typically ignore time constraints.
@@vandalhooch9773 You don't think Luke being an exceptional pilot had ANYTHING to do with him destroying the Death Star? It was ALL the force?
Luke held his own with Vader? Really?
One hand severed and resorting to throwing yourself off a tall structure, just to escape is "holding your own?" Or could it be that Darth/Anakin knowing that Luke was all he had left of his love for Padme, went easier on him? Think Luke would fare well with end of Rogue One Vader? Mythic quests are but a part of the allure of Star Wars, but what makes it endure is the STORYTELLING. And as with most, if not all great stories, the most satisfying element is the consistency of the narrative. An arc is one thing, but for things to exist almost in opposition to how they existed before is off-putting and distracts from the overall story. THAT'S why so many people dislike these movies. Luke throws his lightsaber over his shoulder flippantly after it's handed to him by Rey? Really? I doubt it.
@@vandalhooch9773 -Luke actually trained with Ben, and used that same training to time the firing of the torpedoes at the correct moment, just like he times when to swing his saber to block. Next time he used the force to grab his saber, he struggled for a minute just to do it.
-Luke barely held his own against Vader, and lost his hand, and was covered in bruises and broken bones the moment Vader decided to no longer play around.
-Anakin tried podracing and lost each time, improving each time as well. And still crashed his fighter once auto pilot was removed. Then flew out using the same strategy he used in podracing.
DId Rey have a trial and error moment? No.
She prefectly flew the falcon, a ship that requires two pilots against first order tie fighters. She suddenly used the force to resist Kylo, and ran around Starkiller base using the force like a pro, defeating someone with 20 years of training from Luke and Snoke, the first two she held a saber.
I might not like a lot of stuff in these movies, but I can absolutely say bullying people for liking this movie or the next one is just unnecessary. I agree with the CinemaWins philosophy of any movie can be someones fav, and theres no need to hate for that.
This movie ultimately killed the sequels for me. The Force Awakens was already quite disappointing to me, so I went into The Last Jedi with rock-bottom expectations and it _still_ manged to disappoint. As you point out, there are good aspects to it, but it lacked almost everything good that the previous six films had. It's such a forgettable film that I barely remember anything when I go to watch a reaction to it. I wasn't particularly enthused to watch The Rise of Skywalker and, when all the reviews about it were suggesting it was bad, I lost any desire to see it merely for completeness' sake.
The original trilogy was supposed to depict the Rebellion gaining the upper hand through their new hope in Luke who allowed Anakin to return to the light and bring balance to the Force by destroying the remaining two Sith (Palpatine and himself). The finale was supposed to be triumphant and the future hopeful and free of fascism. Instead of just bulldozing over that accomplishment the sequels should have started from there, with the Empire mostly defeated and only remnants remaining, the Rebels having to form a government and discover that it's probably even harder than waging a guerilla war against a fascist dictatorship with in-fighting between former allies. Start with the New Republic on rocky ground, still trying to prove to the Galaxy that it's better than the Empire was, then introduce some new threat, not just the same threat copied with a new skin. Maybe there's a sect of Dark Jedi who had been kept in check by the Sith but have now been unleashed, they operate more like the original Jedi Order but Dark, with several members, instead of the Sith with just two. Or maybe there's a threat to the Force itself, maybe there's a disease that causes living things to come apart from the Force and what this means to Luke's New Jedi Order, maybe even having to ally with Dark force users to fight the new threat. Make the story something new, something interesting, something that expands on the Universe and lore. With callbacks and recurring themes, sure, but not just the same story tweaked a bit. Unfortunately, we didn't get that. I'd much rather go back and read more of the Extended Universe (I refuse to call it "Legends") than continue with the main series.
That said, I am _perfectly_ happy for other people to like them, I can certainly see the appeal to some just, unfortunately, not for me.
I actually love this film. It's in my top three star wars films, along with empire strikes back and rogue one.
I love the Kylo and Rey stuff especially.
I love what you said in your intro because it's just spot on. I have been a *huge* Star Wars fan ever since my dad took me to see The Empire Strikes back in the theater (yeah, I'm old as dirt). These movies have had more of an impact on my life that I could possibly explain so it makes me very sad to say this - the Star Wars fandom is one of the most toxic out there and I will never understand why. I get that people are extremely passionate about these movies. So am I, but that does not give them a free pass to be a-holes. I am one of those people that absolutely loathes these last two movies (for a number of reasons) but there are a lot of people who really like them, and that's totally fine. I'm sure there are movies I like that those people think are pieces of crap. So what?! People like what they like and that is their right. They should not be made to feel they have to explain, defend, or justify it to anyone. Some folks just need to chill the hell out.
I don't agree with you on star wars fans being the most toxic fans. Every community has toxic people. SW is a very big franchise with the biggest fanbase. Of course they are loud, even when they split by different opinions. I'm 100% against almost everything Disney did with SW so far (the exception being Rogue One). I was furious after I saw The Last Jedi for months, but made my peace since then, and now i can let go of any expectations when watching new SW content. I think what most people misundertood about the TLJ backlash, is that fans who not just love the movies, but were deep into the Expanded Universe stuff have a pretty massive understanding of what FEELS or does NOT feel Star Wars. It's really hard to explain. But lots of us feels this movie and the next lacks the soul a SW movie should possess. I'm totally OK with people enjoying these movies, but i think it's unfair to label fans with more passion than them "toxic", just because they disagree.
@@NordWinter2 I think you misunderstood me. Let me clarify. I agree with pretty much everything you said, particularly about the sequel trilogy lacking any soul like the previous trilogies had. I can't even talk about TLJ. I prefer to pretend it never existed. When I said the SW fan base is the most toxic, it's not because people disagree. That's going to happen in any franchise in any medium. Being passionate is one thing, but being mean-spirited, insulting and condescending is quite another. I see that kind of bullying behavior far more in the SW fan base than I do any other fandom. As I said in my original comment, I have loved this franchise since I was 8 years old when my dad took me to the theater to see Empire so I *completely* understand people's emotional attachment. I really do. But that does not give anyone the right to be vicious and cruel to someone who has a different viewpoint or enjoys content that they don't. I suppose you're right in that every community will have toxic people but it just seems a disproportionately large percentage with SW fans.
Disney screwed Star Wars up with the sequels so what you call toxicity is just the anger of passionate fans (who also got attacked by Disney itself and the bought off media). That is what created the anger. I don’t see anything wrong with it.
What sucks is that theses movies have some of the most beautiful shots out of all the Star Wars movies. But in my opinion, they did a lot of things wrong in terms of writing, which ruins the movies for me
You pretty much nailed most people's criticism of the movie. A big problem was the change in writing and directing. There is such a tonal difference it can be distracting. It becomes even more awkward in the next one. Either way excellent review/reaction .
Finn definitely gets let down by TLJ, but he does have an arc, it's just not especially well conveyed. He goes from not wanting to join the resistance, just wanting to escape and make sure Rey's safe, to understanding that he can't just run and hide, that the First Order needs to be stopped, that the Resistance is important, and that freedom is a cause worth fighting, sacrificing, and even dying for. Unfortunately, the movie does not spend enough time clearly showing us Finn's journey.
A lot of people assume that Finn is just fully on board with the Resistance at the beginning of the movie because of his role in taking out Starkiller base, and because that's how it worked with Luke. But he was only there for Rey. There is a deleted scene where he clearly reiterates that he's not with the resistance that would have been near the beginning of the film, but it got cut for time sadly. Personally, I think there were better cuts to make, that scene would have served Finn and the movie much better.
I would argue that Finn's suicide run makes more sense for his arc than Poe's, because Poes arc is about learning the difference between wasteful acts of heroism and the true heroism of putting the needs of the resistance ahead of acts of glory. For Finn though, committing to that run, even though it was a dumb idea that wouldn't actually help anything, is symbolic of his realization of the importance of defeating the First Order.
I'm not crazy about *how* Rose saved Finn, as it was just as likely to kill them both as it was to save him. I do love her message to him though, we aren't going to win by destroying what we hate, but by saving what we love. I think that would have worked better if she had talked him out of it over the radio with that line instead.
I know I'm in the minority on this, but I truly did not read the kiss as romantic. It was barely a peck. To me it was simply a punctuation to her point, a simple acknowledgement that love is what matters, and not in a romantic sense, but in an all encompassing sense. So for me the kiss was a non issue, and I never got the impression they were being set up as a potential couple.
I appreciate this perspective a lot.
One thing that I don’t think a lot of people pay attention to is Finn and Rose’s respective arcs. Just like Finn, Rose actually has a very strong arc throughout TLJ. Where Finn goes from only being concerned with Rey and her safety to understanding the need for the Resistance to defeat the First Order, Rose goes from grief at losing her sister, and a desire to destroy the systems and institutions that created the situation that killed her, to realizing that even wrecking the casino or destroying the entire First Order fleet wouldn’t give her what she really wants-her sister back. In the end she resolves to stop Finn’s sacrifice and save him because it’s what she wishes she could have done for her sister. Their respective arcs put them at odds against each other the whole way through the movie, and that’s some very interesting writing. Unfortunately the end result wasn’t executed as well as it could have been.
@@kaiielle I believe finn was originally going to sacrifice himself but then plans changed but I could be wrong
@@greenjr06 that's the exact same arc he had in tfa though.
I, like many hate this movie or more importantly it's director for how he impacted the whole franchise AND wasted this movies potential AND how it meant Ep 9 was arguably doomed to fail.
*However* this has always been the most funny SW film for me, despite the hate, I cannot watch this without having a huge grin during the Kylo Luke fight, as well as the confrontation with Snoke.
I've had a blast re living with everyone all the good and the bad SW has to offer, and this movie was no different!
EP 9 still could have succeeded had JJ not been a hack.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 the duel of the fates script was so much better. Was a great conclusion to the entire saga and it Had great scenes with r2 and 3po together again like they should. Just because JJ created bb8 doesn't mean be has to keep replacing R2. The guy has such an ego. Despite Carrie passing, with some adjustments in Script, the could ve still used it .
My experience with Star Wars is always so weird. I really don't like going to theaters so I always have to wait till these movies come to streaming or Blu-ray. But I also am a huge star wars nerd who loves reading all the tie-in books and comics. So I learned about Holdo WAYYYY before seeing this, in the book Leia: Princess of Alderaan. So I actually ended up getting super emotional about her sacrifice, of which I feel like I am the only one. 😆
I don’t really like this movie but ur reaction was fun to watch and I look forward for ur next vid ❤️
Keep in mind most of the comments explaining things came from the books and comics written after, and those writers had to figure things out on their own.
To be fair, clone wars fixed a lot of prequel problems, which also came later.
@@magicconchshell Difference being Clone Wars was still created by Lucas. The books and comic writers for the sequels had to figure things out on their own because JJ and RJ didn't explain them anything.
I love how your dog was staring you down like you stole her food! 😂
Haha she's a beauty
This movie is just a horrible piece of trash in almost every possible way. This is an objective view btw, I like all the other movies, the good and the bad. This movie just had way too many flaws to be redeemable. The only things I liked was the movie looks beautiful, the fight scene with the red guards was pretty cool, and the little penguin like creatures were adorable. That's about it though. I recently commented on this movie on another channel and people got so pissed off like I'm the only one to hate it or something. Somebody actually told me that this was the best in the franchise and I need to "get a life". Remember this is just an opinion, if you are one of the few to love this movie, I respect and value your opinion, so please do the same if you can. 🙏☮
Don't worry, I would never bully you for having this kind of opinion and I hope that other people don't either. It's totally okay to dislike a movie, and I share the things you like about it! And we probably share dislikes as well.
@@kaiielle I wasn't really worried about you, but thank you all the same.🙂👍Some Star Wars fans can get pretty passionate to say the least.
Great reaction and review btw.
@@robertmolton6761 Thanks so much!
In a way I'm really glad to hear you criticise this movie as I do wonder if most reactors just give positive feedback just because they feel its expected of them. I might be wrong though. So basically its nice to hear that you'll give your honest opinion no matter what.
personally I really really don't like what Disney have done with the franchise at all. However I still decided to watch your reactions to their movies as I really enjoyed your reactions to the other movies. I was pleased to hear your opinions on this one and I thought you had some great insights. Plus I really like your editing. I think you've pretty much got everything nailed. Keep up the good work.
Kaiielle, you may have known in the years that you have been alive people who can do "everything", but how did they come to be able to accomplish those things? What did it took? How much time did they dedicate to dominate those things they do well?
This is a situation of nature vs nurture and Jedi training is the nurture that allows for Jedi-like things to be accomplished by Force-sensitive people. If you don't need Jedi training to do Jedi things, then what is the point of Jedi training? Jedi training is turned into a joke, the Jedi are a joke, and the whole story is a joke, and that is precisely what the people behind these movies did to Star Wars.
What did Yoda, in his last of moments of deathbed lucidity, say to Luke? He literally lamented that his training was not complete. THAT is how important Jedi training is to a Jedi. And how do these people treat Jedi training in The Last Jedi? They make that green puppet pretending to be Yoda say that someone with NO training can be let go because "She has everything she needs". She took the Jedi books? How many pages you think she read before she got to Snoke? Is that how much of a joke Jedi training is? To the point it can be substituted with the reading of some books?
These people took Star Wars and turned it into another dumb Marvel movie where people defecate superpowers out of thin air.
Biology is potential, experience realizes that potential.
The Jedi Council in Episode 1 was willing to let young Anakin go without training because they knew that without training something in him would not realize. "It's too dangerous" - Mace Windu. Too dangerous = the absence of training doesn't give Anakin the Jedi tools that could be used for evil.
The Cloners in Kamino couldn't just make do with Jango Fett's genes and make soldiers, NO, they trained the clones to turn them into soldiers because just having Fett's genes doesn't show you how to shoot a gun.
There are precedents in the real Star Wars lore that points to the necessity of mentorship in order to realize your potential as a Jedi. Mentorship is such a key and inescapable element of the mythology (which mirrors reality) that not even the Sith can escape it: "Always two, there are. No more. No less. A Master and an apprentice."
But what about Wonder Rey? What was her training? You yourself pointed out how the events between these two movies take place back to back, with no passage of time. Can Jedi training be exchanged with a solo internship in a junkyard? Is that how much of a joke the Jedi and the Jedi training are to the point that fighting scrubs and scavenging broken ships make you an equal and even superior to a trained Force user (Kylo) and wise enough to lecture a Jedi Master (Luke)?
These are all valid points and thank you for sharing them.
@@kaiielle
Thank you for taking the time to read all that. lol There is a lot of conflict in the comment section now because of these movies but once you get to the Mandalorian, if you eventually do, things will take a turn and people will calm dawn, I bet. lol Not much war going on because of The Mandalorian.
@@shadymodnation5781 People have been pretty respectful here, which is what I asked for. So super happy about that.
Hello Miss beautiful Kaiielle. 38:22 I agree with you 100% on your thoughts and opinions on this movie. It could have been better. We saw this opening night in the theater and groups of people were badmouthing it in the lobby afterwards and everyone was pissed that they killed Luke off and that there was not actually a real lightsaber fight. I did like how they went outside the box unlike other Star Wars movies but I felt they went too far outside the box. Maybe in the future they can make a director's cut of this movie to improve most of the flaws.
Instant like for asking the haters to exit! Star Wars belongs to everyone. While the sequel trilogy is at the bottom of the trilogies for me I still enjoy them. I LOVE the cinematography in the sequels.
Over the years I appreciate this just like the prequels.. but giving control of the story to someone new each time, makes a difference. Can't wait for the next.
Yeah, I think the same director for all three movies (either Rian or JJ, I don't care which) would have been ideal.
It was a truly weird decision.
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@@kaiielle but the same director didn't do the original trilogy. Lucas directed episode IV, Kershner directed episode V, and Marquand directed episode VI.
@@havok6280 True but Lucas was the glue that kept all three of the original trilogy coherent. You did not have one person's consistent vision to glue Episodes 7-9 together.
Just some responses that will hopefully clarify things:
Starkiller Base was destroyed, but the entire group of planets housing the New Republic were blown up by Starkiller Base in the last film. So yes, the Republic is decimated, and that's consistent with the events of the last film. It was a pretty major plot point. Meanwhile, the First Order has an entire fleet of ships outside of what was on Starkiller. Just like how after the Death Star was destroyed in A New Hope, the Empire still ruled with the majority of its fleet of officers existing on other ships. If you're going to criticize this film for not spelling that out, you must give the same scrutiny to The Empire Strikes Back, in my opinion.
The dice disappearing was because they were part of the projection illusion Luke created. He was never physically there on Cait, so therefore, neither were the dice. Leia realizes this as soon as Luke's projection puts them in her hand. She doesn't feel it. She gives him a shocked look, and he gives a mischievous grin in return. :)
Finn definitely has wasted potential throughout these movies, but I wouldn't say this film completely fails in adding to his character arc. In the last film, and for a good portion of this one, everything Finn does against the First Order is just to get back to Rey, and not to serve a more selfless greater good. By this film's end, that has changed. He faces and defeats his former captain, declaring himself a "Rebel" for the first time, and yes, he attempts a selfless act against the cannon at the end, perhaps in vein, but at least the action shows his character growth. The reason why I *don't* think it should have been Poe is because Poe's character arc makes sense for him to now be *against* foolhearty sacrifices when it ends up just dwindling allied numbers at little gain. Poe becomes the wiser, Leia figure in that situation telling the brash pilot, now Finn, to stop, think, and live to fight another day. In my opinion, both characters end up exactly where they they needed to.
Poe was acting like a toxic, entitled man who deserved to know all of Holdo's plans despite the fact that she outranked him, and she was likely worried about spies and wasn't sure who to trust among those she didn't know well--especially Poe, who has just been demoted by Leia for mishandling information and acting brashly without thinking.
Leia exhales and braces herself before she is blown into space, she created a shield around herself (you can see particles floating in place around her), age she used the Force pull ability to literally pull herself toward the ship to safety. It might look weird to some people, but there is precedent for each of these abilities elsewhere in the movies and shows.
Luke continued to research the Jedi after failing with Ben Solo, and he ultimately became convinced that the Jedi Order itself was a misinterpretation of the Force and therefore should end ("that Force does not belong to the Jedi," he says in the film). His exile to the island was about much more than just Ben Solo; that initial failure sent him off on his quest to learn more in hopes of improving the Jedi way, but it was the subsequent information he learned that ultimately convinced him to close himself off to the Force and let the legacy die off. He felt he was doing right by the Force. He wasn't merely sulking. Yes, his way was ultimately misguided, but once he taps into the Force again, Yoda's spirit is able to contact him and help him see that. And ultimately, Luke changes his mind and does help salvage the Jedi by protecting Rey and the Resistance.
Also, a particularly nice touch: at the end of the last film, Luke simply stood there and didn't take his old saber. At the start of this one when Rey walks right up to him and puts it in his hand, Luke tosses it aside. Before she leaves the island, she holds it out one last time and Luke still refuses to take it if his own accord. This symbolizes his unwillingness to join the fight. But at the end, when he projects himself onto Cait, he gives his projection that same exact lightsaber--not the green one that he built himself, but the exact same Skywalker legacy saber that Rey wanted him to take the entire time. It's his way of visually showing those watching that he finally does support Rey's cause.
Just some food for thought.
Appreciate this breakdown a lot, thank you. I think a lot of this stuff I will pick up more in future watches, where a camera isn't on, and am not doing this for RUclips. Kinda one of the downsides of doing this for YT, tbh. I also think my opinions on bits and pieces of this film will change over time.
@@kaiielle And hey, if your views on it never change, that's fine too. Yours were critiques of genuine desire for the film to be more coherent, and that's much different from most people who hate on this film because it simply didn't give them what they personally wanted.
Without spoiling anything specific, I will say this: if you're wanting a more gradual transition into the sequel trilogy that makes their events and character arcs feel more organic, then watch the shows. All of them. They're leading into that, slowly, and I have no idea how it's all going to fit together, but I'm excited!!
i think the start of your criticisms segment sums up the sequel trilogy 'so much potential that just didn't happen'. there's definitely stuff to like in each movie, but unfortunately i think the negatives out way the positives overall. at least for me anyway ;-;
The Resistance in the books and comics is pretty messy at times too. A lot of them are children of former Rebels, including Poe. So your criticism of them isn't wrong, even in universe. lol
Good to know LOL.
My only gripe is with the leia in space scene that woulda been a great send off but I do love the story in the next part so it’s hard.
Why have more phasma when we can have rose and the casino? /eye roll
This whole movie is awful
I love this movie. The opening is very engaging, but it does dwindle once the different storylines happen at the same time.
I like the Rose/Finn and Poe stuff and while it does enforce the themes of hope and all that, it suffers when put against all the stuff with Luke, Rey, Kylo, and Snoke which all of that is fantastic.
I find DJ an interesting character and how he brings up how things aren’t black and white in the galaxy.
Holdo gets better with each watch I think because her approach to things make sense if you consider the disorganization of the resistance, and if she announced her plan, some traitor would inform the first order or something, and Poe wasn’t making himself to be trustworthy.
The second half of the movie is perfect imo. The way everything comes together, the holdo ship crash, the throne room fight, phasma vs Finn. It’s great.
Then the Crait battle is visually gorgeous, and also how Poe and Finn’s arcs cross paths. Poe goes from recklessly sacrificing everyone to playing it smart and being a leader influenced by Leia and Holdo. And Finn goes from being cowardly to willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good.
Luke’s arc was fantastic, excellent acting from Mark Hamill and the way he plays the shame and pain is great. I think him even considering and beginning to act on killing his own nephew and then prompting all the pain and death he feared is more than enough to beget his exile. Then Rey and Yoda make him realize he can learn from that failure and return as a true Jedi. His confrontation with Kylo is probably the most “Jedi” thing anyone has ever done in the franchise based on how Yoda explained it in Empire “a Jedi uses the force for defense, never for attack” and Luke sacrificing himself, and him dying made sense because Kylo said earlier that Rey couldn’t be projecting herself because “the effort would kill you”.
Rey and Ben’s progression was my favorite part of the movie. The way Rey starts off hating him but then after being rejected by Luke and not finding the answers she is looking for she feels alone. They are both alone and are disappointed by the people they thought they could look up to. They find their similarities and both try to convince each other to join the other, but ultimately their interests come into conflict with each other. Rey choosing to help the resistance brings her back to her friends, while Kylo choosing to become Supreme Leader for power leaves him alone again.
The writing is fantastic in this movie not to mention the gorgeous visuals, it’s all very well directed imo I love it.
I enjoy this comment a lot! Thank you for breaking your opinions down like this. 😊
@@kaiielle thanks I really enjoyed your view on the movie as well and am exited for the next one
@@bombird8813 Thanks so much!
I can't disagree more. Johnson was more worried about visuals rather than story telling and developing characters. As she said, it's the longest movie and we don't know who Holdo is (no backstory whatsoever), Snoke was a wasted character, Phasma was a wasted character, Hux was a wasted character, but we got mirror Rey, we got red salt, we got casino world, we got red room. Finn and Rose were able to leave the fight and comeback while before it's over. And Johnson destroyed every plot that the Force Awakens started. Who's Rey's parents? They're nobody. Who's Snoke? Doesn't matter, kill him. Who's Phasma? Doesn't matter, kill her. What is Luke going to do? Throws the lightsaber over his shoulder. Overall, I actually hate this movie.
You right about Sith's Rule of two, when Master dead (usually by his apprentice's hands), the apprentice become a master, but in sequels there are not a Sith for now, last of Sith order was Darth Sidious, Kylo Ren and Snoke are not the Sith, Kylo is a member of new order (Knight of Ren, which not explored so much in canon) and about Snoke you will know later
At first, I hated this movie. I expected so much especially for my boy Luke. The Force Awakens plus nostalgia from the originals sparked so many fan theories. I put my own expectations on The Last Jedi. So not seeing things come to fruition was frustrating. Then I saw how livid people really were! going off about things that I actually liked. Lol. On repeat viewings I like it now. Or, I just am not triggered anymore. Lmao
In the Force Awakens, the First Order controls a whole section of the outer rim. They have multiple planets aside from Starkiller Base and a large fleet. They are stymied from reconquering the galaxy because the Republic has a larger fleet. However, with the destruction of the Republic capitol system, the Republic fleet was also wiped out, removing the final obstacle for the First Order's return.
To me the best parts are with the original characters because there is history there and characters people know and love. Like people rag on the actors, actors can only do what is written. This movie suffers from bad writing. Like for instance when they go on and on about how the animals are treated and Rose goes out of the way to free the animals. On first watch I’m like cool they freed them, but then when you watch it again they go on and on about the animals and free them….. yet they leave the slave children behind.
I definitely don’t like the sequel trilogy but I think the actors and actresses did a good job. The individual movies were alright but as a whole they definitely are not as good as the originals or even the prequels
I know this is an older reaction, but I’m gonna comment anyway. If leia had died but not ackbar, and ackbar took over instead of holdo, I think it would’ve been a much better film. That would’ve also opened it up for ackbar to sacrifice himself at the end, which would’ve been way more impactful. It also would’ve actually given us closure with leia unlike the mess they gave us in the next film.
The Finn and Rose stuff just wasnt interesting enough to take time in this movie. They should have cut all their story and just focused on Finn to make him better, and maybe go to Canto bight for some other reason, since it was a cool place. Also, I wouldnt mind that this movie went on a limb and moved forward as far as Star Wars lore is concerned, if they kept that same energy into the next movie. I wont spoil anything, but the last movie isnt by Rian Johnson, its back to JJ, so its a different direction.
I think the issue is that because this film takes place immediately after the previous one, there wasn't enough time to establish a new context in which Finn would have a new struggle to overcome.
Like, TESB took place several years after ANH, and so set the stage for an entirely new story in which Luke, Han, and Leia's characters could continue to grow.
Finn's arc in TFA was facing his fears of returning to the First Order and deciding not to run away anymore, which I think was a good story for him.
But TLJ undoes this by making him want to run away AGAIN and have him accept his new role as an enemy of the First Order. Issue is, that story was already told.
They also tried to throw in some social commentary in his story with Rose which basically just boiled down to 'war profiteering bad, treating animals bad is bad'.
I think they tried to have DJ serve as a force of moral ambiguity by having him make that point about the war profiteering applying to both sides but the issue there is:
a)You seriously can't say that the First Order, with its Nazism speeches and destruction off multiple planets literally the previous day, is any where near the same morals as the Resistance
b) Any ambiguity in DJ is lost when he then betrays Finn and Rose, cementing his place as a villain
:/
So I was trying to save my comments on this trilogy till after episode 9. But I did wanna say that the criticisms you brought up are pretty much the same as Most hardcore fans. There's more I cud add to the criticisms but I don't wanna be an asshole about it. Although I will say this is the only Star Wars movie I ever walked out in the middle of. Wen Snoke was "betrayed" I just had to get up and leave. Lol. I did watch it all later cause I wanted so bad to like this trilogy but there's just something un-star wars about it, in my opinion. For those who like it, I'm happy for y'all. I really wish I did, so badly!!! The visuals were amazing I'll give it that.... Hopefully my comments weren't to "Dickish". I swear I don't mean them that way. 🤦🤷
This comment was fine! It's the bullying and insulting towards myself or other people that I was hoping people wouldn't do, because it's just so unnecessary and I've seen it on my previous videos and on other reactor's videos too. Thank you for sharing what you think!
One criticism I have overall is it shouldn't be the First Order vs the Resistance. It should be the First Order vs the New Republic.
Blame that on JJ.
This whole trilogy is just Empire 2.0 vs Rebellion 2.0
When i left the cinema after watching this movie it was nothing but confusion: Carrie Fisher dead, but Leia alive, and Luke vice versa. What were they going to do from here? In the months that followed the distaste for this movie grew and it made me absolute fed up with SW, and due to this movie i've still refused to watch Solo till this day. After watching dozens of analysis videos on this movie together with Episode 9 my hatred for it has lessened, but imo it's still the worst SW movie till date. There was so much potential with some concepts in this movie and they were just executed very very poorly, and i'm still convinced the higher ups at disney (and Kathleen Kennedy in particular) preferred to push a political agenda above telling a story, pulling in real-life concepts into a sci-fi movie just feels not right. (Jailtime for parking tickets and ships with fuel consumption, really?) The whole Canto Bight sidestory was imo just there to give Finn something to do and push the message of capitalism=bad, and should Rose really explain to a former stormtrooper who was abducted into the FO as a child that child slavery is not right? That whole story could be scrapped from this movie and it would make almost no difference. The whole plot of this movie is pretty weak, with it being basically one big chase scene, and that compared to both the original trilogy and the prequels it's just really weak. I could vent about so much more about what i think is wrong with this movie (looking at you Holdo) but i would be here for ages.
Overall this movie had so much potential but execution and agendas from higher up ruined it. Episode 9 fixed and retconned some issues i had with this movie which makes me accept it now, but i still feel it's the worst out of the 9 and a massive "what could have been", and that stings a lot
Anytime I see someone’s criticism of Star Wars aimed at executives of Disney combined with “dozens of analysis videos” with a dash of anti-SJW paranoia all I can think is that RUclips’s algorithm might rank as one of the greatest crimes against humanity.
The Rebels striking back against the Empire in A New Hope was George Lucas’s way of expressing his understanding of the Vietnam war. And since your consumption of the alt-right kool aid might be clouding your view I’ll just come out an tell you that George did not see the USA as the rebels in his story. To now complain that there might be political or social commentary being forced into Star Wars is to be completely ignorant of what has always been a part of Star Wars. Hell, it’s always been a part of cinema in general.
Hi KL! I reckon you would love The Mandalorian! Especially when you touched on a film about Luke set between ROTJ and TFA! Oh dear! I think I may have said too much!👍🤘
It's on the list!
as much as I hate this movie I gotta say with you first order problems its basically a copy of the empire but anyways they had ship yards in the unknown regions of the galaxy and kidnapped baby's for their army........... And they have multiple star destroyers and we only saw like 6 at star killer base plus before they used star killer base they went around securing some planets plus their other stuff from when they were building up originally was still out there. sorry if this gave you a seizer to read lol
Nah you're good! Thanks for explaining.
the best one of the entire trilogy for sure
Luke never knew his father, only knew him as Darth Vader, but believed there was still good in him and could be saved.
Luke has a bad dream about Ben Solo who he's known his entire life and goes "imma kill this kid"
Guess the kid slaying urge is genetic
Best comment 😂
The lightspeed kamikaze is cool...but it unfortunately can't happen in Star Wars. It's one of those "they thought it was cool and didn't think about it beyond that."
Fun fact: Hyperdrives will not activate if there's an obstacle. It's also why you need to punch in coordinates, so the computer can determine which path won't slam you into a planet. They'll also deactivate once you near anything with a field of gravity.
It ultimately brings up a flaw that asks, "During the Clone Wars, why didn't the Separatists just use hyperspace capable kamikaze ships with droids if it's THIS effective?"
I am a PROUD lover of the sequels and all the movies, Great reaction. Been watching all your star wars videos :D
All of your criticisms are very well said and I almost totally agree. There are great moments in the Sequels but as a whole the story falls apart SO much for me. Like all the actors and actresses are great! But like Admiral Ackbar could have just taken Holdo’s role in this film and they needed to give Luke better reasons for hiding. This one is my favorite Sequel tho still somehow 😅
Hey kaiielle, great reaction! I really appreciate your honest review here. As a standalone movie, it's a perfectly competent film with cool sets and visuals, but the writing really does a huge disservice. Since I don't want to repeat anything anyone else has said, I'll provide my input from a Navy veteran's perspective and as a long-time fan of the written novels.
As a submariner (keeping mind that we're talking space navies, warships, and people in isolated metal tubes), Holdo is an infuriating character because TLJ goes out of its way to glorify loathsome characteristics that would be unbecoming of an officer in any professional military where people have to work together to perform highly technical tasks (aka not your normal "grunts"). Leadership *isn't* about telling people _what_ to do, it's about _convincing_ people to do the things that are needed by the larger organization by (1) telling them about the mission (2) telling them why the mission is necessary and (3) explaining what the individual's role is in the performance of that mission. And you can do all that without sacrificing operational security whatsoever.
I knew what my role was on my boat: keep the nuclear power plant in good running condition and handle any changes in boat speed (aka "shut up and push" as the non-engineering folk are wont to say). I knew that we, as a crew, served the purpose of nuclear deterrence -- preventing countries like Russia from firing nukes at us. That didn't mean I (personally) needed to know the boat's location or when we were going to turn left, but they generally had answers when we had questions. They also didn't treat us like we were complete children who could be abused at any time. Watching Leia slap Po in the face, in public, to show maternal dominance is extremely unprofessional, demoralizing, and immature. If the captain of a submarine ever slapped a junior officer over a disagreement in tactics, he'd face harsh scrutiny thereafter. Like Will Smith slapping Chris Rock, Leia's actions didn't speak to her stability, but rather it demonstrated the opposite. She sets a poor example for Holdo, who repeats the same error. Like Chris Rock, Po demonstrates better composure by not responding in kind.
When you join the military, you get a lot of reading material. For the Navy, one of the most crucial books is called "The Bluejacket's Manual", which describes all kinds of things about military life and the expectations that are placed on sailors. They have sections specifically about leadership, and what you should expect from your superiors (and what people should expect from you, as you raise in ranks and become a leader yourself). I still have this book 20 years later and will quote it for you now:
The Bluejacket's Manual (22nd edition, Chapter 4, page 79):
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_Good leaders are concerned with more than simply getting a job done. _*_How_*_ the job gets done is also important. What good is a leader who gets a job done but loses the respect of his or her crew in the process? What good is a leader whose methods result in dissention, disorganization, ineffectiveness, or poor morale? ... Good leaders find ways to cause individuals to carry out an assignment willingly rather than out of fear of reprisal._
_... Reverse roles. This is a form of the so-called Golden Rule that appears in the culture of all civilized societies. Whenever you are dealing with subordinates, always treat them the way you would want to be treated if your roles were reversed._
_... Praise in public; correct in private. ... When you have to correct a subordinate, do it in privacy. Embarrassing an individual adds nothing to the learning experience, and learning is the intended purpose of correcting someone who has done something wrong._
_... Keep your subordinates informed. No one likes to be kept in the dark. And a person is usually better able to do a job if he or she understands why that job needs to be done and how it fits into the "big picture". For these reasons, you should keep your subordinates informed as much as possible. Sometimes, for security or other reasons, there will be things you cannot share with your subordinates. But unless these conditions exist, you should make it a common practice to give your subordinates as much information as you can about what they are doing and why they are doing it. This will improve morale and will often help them do a better job._
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Everything Holdo does in this movie is frankly gross. The unprofessionalism, the snide immaturity, the teenager's snarls she beams at Po, it all reeks. I won't say the U.S. Navy doesn't have a lot of "bad" leaders at different commands, but if anyone really acted like Holdo in a life-or-death situation, you'd 100% have a real life mutiny on your hands. Her behavior should not be glorified, and anyone who's served in the armed forces should be quick to clarify this is not how real militaries operate.
(Yes, it's fiction, but the writer's ability to create empathetic characters and convey meaningful tales of morality is strictly based on the relatability of the psychology of the characters -- who are decidedly human)
As far as the lore problem, Rian Johnson fully misunderstands George Lucas' meaning of "light" and "dark". To Lucas, "light" is where there is symbiosis between the Force and the force user; "dark" is when the user takes too much, like a cancer or a parasite. When Snoke speaks of light and dark "rising" to "meet" each other, and being opposite sides of the same thing -- that's all wrong. Completely wrong. Rian is thinking of light and dark in a literal interpretation of shadows, whereas Lucas literally had a whole prequel trilogy about the boy who was supposed to bring "balance" to the force by ending the *entire* Sith menace. Meaning NO Sith. All Jedi. No "darkness".
"Balance", to Lucas, is when there is only light. "Balance" to Johnson, is when there is only turmoil... from the presence of both light and dark.
In Rian's interpretation, the Force intentionally created the Emperor so he could kill all the Jedi, so that there would only be two Sith and only two Jedi. That's NOT the prophecy that the Jedi were excited about (ask Lucas!). Rian's movie also basically says that the Force gives its power to people not by lineage (the way Lucas did), but rather by the Force itself knowing ahead of time which side a user will fall on -- like picking a conservative or liberal judge to be on a court.
TLJ fans incorrectly think this is an "optimistic" portrayal of force power acquisition -- proof of freedom! -- but it's literally the opposite. The fact that we got a black woman on the Supreme Court isn't because SHE willed herself to be there -- she's there because of the will of THE PEOPLE (Remember guys? Democracy?). It's the total inverse of individual agency. To be sure, her individual determination resulted in credentials that made her a viable candidate, but there is a big difference between saying, "You can increase your chances of being *selected* by the Force to wield force powers" and saying *"Anyone* can be a force user". Like being a Supreme Court judge, the "anyone" is only rhetorical -- you have to meet certain criteria first, and then the final choice still isn't yours!
The philosophical ramifications of these misinterpretations aren't trivial: Rian's take is darkly nihilistic. What's the point of curing cancer if the Force itself will kill people through a different disease (a different "darkness") to counteract the "light" you bring to the universe? Why do anything good, if bad is literally created as a direct consequence of your goodness? This is literally what the movie said about Luke's motivation to go to a distant planet "to die".
That is nihilism, not optimism. It's depressing that the optimistic Luke of the original trilogy was warped into a nihilistic character who awaited only death. And Rey didn't change his mind, in my view, as others have argued. He didn't kill Kylo Ren, he didn't stop him in any meaningful way... all he did was delay Kylo and kill himself. Which was his goal at the beginning of the movie.
Another wonderful reaction! I look forward to hearing your thoughts on The Rise of Skywalker after your first watch. I agree with your criticisms of the film but am glad you're able to find things to enjoy as well.
Very excited for the final movie! Thank you Bree.
Imagine if you will that you had a project that was your baby. You worked on it everyday for years. You invested your money and time into it. It meant EVERYTHING to you. Then in a blink of an eye, it was taken from you. And it would take you many years to get back what you lost. I don't know about you, but I would feel deflated, depressed, etc. That was Luke in this situation. The worst part is that he blamed himself because he briefly gave into weakness because of it.
Exactly
"Don't Yuck people's Yums" 😂🤣😂 I'll just simply say that as a stand alone trilogy these movies weren't bad, but they kinda ruined the original ending of the previous trilogy and the characters that have already been established and that we've grown to love. Like especially Luke. That's all I'll say. Hope that wasn't too yucky lol.
Edit: best way for me to describe these movies is that they almost feel like a parody.
I hate this film but I am not going to rant too much about it.
The best thing about it was the Snoke Rey Kylo fight, and as good as that was...its not Star Wars. It did not feel like Star Wars.
I very much agree with your criticism section, and your point about how quickly the First Order somehow gained control is a fundamental plot hole.
Other than the Snoke fight scene, I dont really care for the other scenes with the exception of Luke getting fired at by Kylo, and then just dusting his shoulder off like it was nothing, I thought that was actually kind of cool, I did not mind the projection. I did mind very much that it killed Luke and that's the way he went out , I dunno felt kind of cheated there.
To sum it up, I dislike this film so much I have not even bothered watching Rise of Skywalker, this film killed my interest in new Star Wars content if I am brutally honest.
Force Awakens was a free hit and at least entertaining, and Rogue one was actually really good. But Solo and TLJ are drivel and I wish they were not made (Solo is a better film than TLJ but its ulltimatley very pointless)
Really disliked the movie back in theatres. But after giving it another chance (and having watched a video on the film by the RUclipsr Nerrel) I came to love it. I always describe it as the sequel movie with the most "honest flaws". It's definitely awkward in a few places, but it feels...very human with it, if that makes sense. They had the very unforgiving task at picking up at a cliffhanger ending from a movie that basically served as a giant "reset button" for it's entire universe, and as such, TLJ ended up receiving a lot of criticism for things that TFA was actually "at fault" for (such as Luke's exile or the Bad Guys ruling again). Yet they did a fantastic job at naturally following up and tying up the lose ends, without disregarding its predecessor.
Btw definitely check out the deleted scene of the "Finn vs Phasma" sequence. Real shame that that didn't make it to the movie.
Yep, totally agree on pretty much the entire reaction! I'm still 50/50 on the whole film after multiple watches. I will say tho, i really appreciated Holdo as a character, and will forever wish they'd got a droid to pilot the ship. Laura Dern is far too good to waste! Can't wait for the next reaction vid :)
Laura Dern is a wonderful actress! Glad you enjoyed it.
I'm fresh over from PIB, seems I've got some catching up to do. Just wanted to say, love the intro to this video, very well put.
So I am a 40+ year old Star Wars fan and I really REALLY liked The Force Awakens and was super hyped to see this one. I sat down in the theater opening night excited for some answers and left very very confused as to what I had just watched. My confusion however turned into absolutely hating it the more I thought about it.
You hit a lot of the same issues I had with this movie in your criticism of it, but just to expand upon some of it from my point of view:
The worst part of this movie by far is the way Luke is handled. It felt like an absolute character assassination and there is no reason given why he has changed that much. As you said people change, but if you are going to go this wild you better explain it and they don't. It just feels kinda gross to do that to the character and the fans who they had hyped up "Omg Luke Skywalker is going to be in these movies!" to. Mark Hamill himself won't come out directly and say it but he does not seem happy about it either.
Right behind Luke is Rey. I know you said you didn't mind it but at least you recognize Rey is pretty much the Omega Mary Sue character in this movie. The best at everything, everyone loves her, everything goes her way and doesn't experience any real hardships. The funny part is I rolled my eyes at the people who called her a Mary Sue in the first movie cause I was like ok well come on its the first movie surely they are going to explain this and throw some hardships in her wa... no... nope she's uh a total Mary Sue. WOW.
Last one I will really get into is the whole space chase/hyperspace track plot that takes up a huge part of the movie. It is nonsensical. First of all, tracking through hyperspace was shown to be possible in the very first movie. They tracked the Falcon back to the Rebel base. Their first thought should have been omg we have a traitor who has a tracker on the ship but they acted like it shouldn't be possible at all. But THEN Finn also agrees it's impossible to track through hyperspace only to minutes later say he not only mopped the floor in the tracker room but knows exactly how it works and that every ship has one. WAT. Oh and capital ships running out of fuel had never been a thing till just now. So that was weird that it was suddenly a big plot device. Also Holdo just explaining to people what is going on as more and more panic sets in would have helped a lot as opposed to telling Poe to just go away and obey without question.
I could keep going but uh yeah I didn't like it. lol
To claim that Luke’s character was assassinated seems to say more about your expectations than it does about the movie itself. From his last appearance in 1983, fans that grew up with the original trilogies have had decades to imagine what Luke has gone on to do and become. Supplement those imaginings with the dozens of books and games from numerous different authors and our brains are filled with an idea of who Luke is now and anything that doesn’t fit those visions is immediately rejected as “wrong.” That’s why TFW tends to go down better with original fans. Han and Leia are portrayed as nearly unchanged from their last appearance in 1983. There is no dissonance with our memories.
You may have noticed that most reactors who have come to the saga recently don’t tend to see Luke’s attitude as “assassination” of the character. They haven’t had decades of rewatches of the original trilogy to cement the characters in their minds. They don’t tend to see the mind bridge as BS because for them they are still learning what the force is and how it works. Older fans tend to dislike it and my own initial reaction was rejection because my own countless rewatches never allowed that such a thing was possible.
This all reminds me of how much I initially disliked the prequels because it added so much stuff that wasn’t there in the originals . . . midichlorians, space diners, threepio’s origin, Jango. But the kids who only saw the originals once or twice before growing up with the prequels tend to not have a problem with those things. Now that they are older though, a lot of them seem to be going through the same initial rejection of the sequels that I had for the prequels.
For many of us, there seems to be a sweet spot in age that allows the particular trilogy current for the time to become cemented in our memories as the “real” Star Wars. Just watch, the kids growing up with the current movies will invariably hate the next set of films released 10-15 years from now even as their own children love them. That is, if Disney allows enough time to pass for the sequels to become cemented.
Now the nitpicks, tracking through hyperspace in ANH and TPM was only possibly because a transmitter was physically placed aboard the Falcon and Slave-1. This tracking was different. No homing beacon. Finn did not say anything about knowing where the tracking room was. Rose, as an engineer, deduced that the tracking would have to be done in conjunction with certain equipment that all starships possess already. Finn simply possessed the knowledge of where that particular equipment would be located. The mirroring of his dialogue to Rose’s explanation of how the tracking works is a common script tool used in many films to allow the audience to more easily accept what is really utter nonsense dialogue. Having multiple characters agree that this gibberish makes sense gives the viewer’s brain permission to ignore the hard task of trying to actually reason out what it all means. If the second character doesn’t mirror or seems to express doubt or confusion then the viewer will also feel the same way. If that isn’t what the writer or director wants the audience to feel then they have to take steps to prevent it. You will find this technique used all the time. It isn’t a plot hole it’s the storyteller telling you what the important pieces of information are and what dialogue can be safely ignored.
My biggest problem with the chase is that the First Order should be more than capable of projecting the Resistance fleet’s course and send one Destroyer ahead through hyperspace to cut them off. I may of disliked the chase plot mechanic but it’s no worse than the Falcon fleeing the Imperial Fleet in the Hoth system and somehow ending up in the Noad system despite having never gotten its light speed engines to work.
I'm going to post replies as I go through the thoughts section because it's easier that way, so do forgive the multiple posts.
It's important to remember that Starkiller base was just a weapon, and not the home of the First Order. The majority of the First Order were not on or at Starkiller base. It was a secret weapons project, so the majority of the First Order wouldn't even have been aware of it. It had enough personnel to operate the weapon and defend the base, but it was not the main repository of their military forces. The First Order is made up of the remnants of the Empire. Systems that either remained loyal, or where Imperial rule endured. The First Order isn't a small faction, but a sizeable government that controls a significant percentage of the Galaxy. For ease of understanding, and these numbers are in no way official, but think of the First Order as ruling maybe 20% of the galaxy.
When I first saw this in theaters I was kinda thrown off by that comedic exchange between Poe and Hux 😅 I don't hate this movie at all but it's my least favorite of the sequel trilogy. I didn't like how this movie tried to make Rey some nobody from nowhere when the first movie teased her origins. I had other smaller nitpicks but other than that I thought the movie was fine. My favorite part in the movie was the Force Ghost Yoda scene 💚
I'm always interested in seeing new reactions to this movie in particular, and I can respect the opinions of those who enjoy it, even though I don't enjoy it myself. You and I had similar first reactions to the movie overall, with one initial difference: I had seen the trailer before the movie came out where Luke says, "It's time for the Jedi to end," and that had already rubbed me the wrong way. I was worried they would even go as far as having Luke fall to the dark side (also since the title text for TLJ is colored red rather than yellow), which I would've hated. So I was actually more willing to accept his real failure with Kylo, especially once it seemed like Luke was going to rejoin the fight, fix his mistakes, and fulfill his duty of restoring the jedi order.
But Luke's death was too much for me to accept, because it made his failures permanent. He left the galaxy alone and didn't offer any meaningful help once he briefly returned, he didn't do anything to help redeem Ben, and he didn't play any role in restoring the jedi order. I know that isn't a problem for everyone, but as someone who watched the original trilogy over and over as a kid, I never had any interest in seeing Luke broken down to that extent, especially when the justification for his cynicism was as thin as it was. I don't begrudge anyone liking the movies, and even though I had preferences about the sequels focusing on a new jedi order, I was ready to go along with their direction until the choices they made with Luke became incompatible with my enjoyment of his character in the originals.
That's exactly why I don't watch trailers anymore. Too much spoiling!
Another example of the cemented version of characters due to repeated viewings over decades in dissonance with the story in front of them. There’s a reason Rogue One is generally the most well received of the new movies by older fans. None of the primary characters existed in anyone’s memory before the movie premiered. No one was experiencing wave after wave of dissonance between memory and what was on screen on premiere night.
@@vandalhooch9773 Rogue One is over-rated. One thing Rogue One got right, unlike Solo, was the droids. Droids are the best part about the original.
Edit: remove the Droid from Rogue One and movie sucks. Remove the Droid from Solo and it's much better.
I get what you mean with the disorganized Resistance, but they did make a pretty big point about all of their high command but Leia dying on the bridge. Probably the high command was the only group of people who were actually experienced and once they got wiped out it was just hotshot rookies like Poe trying to take control.
I agree with u on the Leah out in Space scene that was quite a reach. One impossible scene that I saw first hand was the bombing scene early in the film. The bombs after release would have floated away. It is weightless in space. U can drop anything straight down.
What an awful film...
This film is basically a parody of Star Wars, like a slightly more serious Spaceballs with a bigger budget.
Kylo and Rey's conversations are interesting, how? I thought it was creepy, weirdly erotic and cringy that Rey seemed mildly attracted to his psthological rhetoric as though its sexy.
I'm not going to lie but I do like 7 8 and 9 where they great no! did I disagree with some of the stuff and choices they made yes! But all in all I did still enjoy them I just don't like people who hate them and then telling u your not a real Star wars fan or your opinion is wrong!
Thanks algorithm comment. I haven't seen your previous recation yet . But i did just finish rogue one. ( catching up )
I don't care, what everybody says. I like all star wars movies 🙌🏼
To me this was the weakest movie of the sequel trilogy still love it but i think JJ should have done all three because the last one is amazing it’s my favorite of the trilogy and my 4th favorite in the saga after the original three
Personally I don't love this movie. It is my least favorite star wars movie, HOWEVER, it is a star wars movie and for that I still enjoy it.
The cinematics and visuals in this movie were AMAZING, the fight scenes with kylo and rey, the speeder battle on crait. Those were shot so well.
But yes, the movie felt like it really dragged and ultimately the casino scenes with rose and finn didn't interest me and I didn't really care for their characters in this movie.
I think what really rubbed me the wrong way with this movie were how it started to be honest. It put a bad taste in my mouth with Luke throwing the lightsaber at the start and when Leia was blown into space I expected her to be dead.
I remember looking at my brother in the theater when she started floating back in and we were both just dumbfounded. (Since you've seen and uploaded your Ep. 9 reaction I'll go a bit deeper on that now). With no jedi training there's no way (in my opinion) that that makes any sense. 9 kinda fixed that for me partially. But I feel like I shouldn't need to see the next movie to have less problems with a scene.
This movie has it's flaws certainly, but the visuals are great, it has super entertaining moments, and I enjoyed it overall. I enjoyed your take on it though, thanks for always having a deep and thought-out breakdown.
Your dog though 😂. Dogs have this trick. That look that says "You don't you love me anymore?" 😂😂😒
I do wish phasma had a prolonged fight. That 12 seconds of that annoys me. She was written as a burn off character.
For me still the best Star Wars movie. Easily a 10/10.
Second place would be Episode 5.
When it first released I was mixed about it and my feeling turned back and forth all the time for the first 1,5 years. But after that I started to permanently love this movie. Back then I also had times where I hated it. I thought it was the worst Star Wars movie and thought that everything Disney did with Star Wars is bad. So I think it's interesting how much my opinions changed towards it. Definitely something that doesn't happen often.
Thank you for sharing! I have a feeling that my opinions will adjust over time too. It's natural that happens as personal circumstances and experiences change. I'm going to be releasing an "overall thoughts about Star Wars" video on May 4th, that will be recorded after I complete a second watch through of all 11 movies, without the camera on, in silence. Just me and a notepad. I am also going to watch my first reactions back and note anything that my opinion may have already changed on. I'm super excited to do this.
@@kaiielle Very excited for that. Yeah, The Last Jedi is one of these movies that people change their minds on after watching it a second time. Most people have mixed feelings after finishing it. And after the second viewing the opinion goes into one direction in a very clear way. The ones who give it a 1/10 and say it's the worst movie ever made and the ones who give it a 9-10/10 and say it's a masterpiece. There are some people who are in between that but when you look at the reactions online, most people are very clear about their feelings towards it. With The Force Awakens or The Rise of Skywalker it's pretty clear after watching it the first time. If you loved it, you'll still love it in the future and if you hated it, you'll still hate it in the future. But The Last Jedi is such an ambitious movie that challenges the audience and especially the hardcore fans. It's not an easy pill to swallow for most people.
@@RamielDerLinke It's fascinating to me that these two movies seriously divided the fan base into two. I dunno if that's happened with any other franchise?
@@kaiielle It definitely happened with The Last of Us when Part 2 came out in 2020. The first game was loved by everyone and everyone was excited for the second part. When that one came out, people said that it is a brilliant continuation of the first game and others said that it completely ruins the first game and its characters. The debates were very comparable to the ones on The Last Jedi. Only difference is that Star Wars was a 40 year old movie franchise when The Last Jedi came out and The Last of Us has only been 7 years old when Part 2 released. And of course Star Wars is much bigger than The Last of Us. But it was very similar.
@@RamielDerLinke Great comparison. While I haven't played TLOU games (don't own a PS), I watched full playthroughs of both games here on RUclips. I am definitely in the camp of people who really enjoyed TLOU2. I honestly really enjoy how the story was portrayed through the eyes of two different people connected to the situation in two very heartbreaking ways.
So I ended up loving this film in theaters. However I am 100% behind you on the criticism. I wanted to see Leia use the Force since she has it due to being a Skywalker. So I loved seeing it in this film. The problem I have though is I think flying Space Leia could have been done better, I felt it was very, out of not character for her persay but out of character story telling? If that made sense?
Luke’s arch I think is SO large and I do believe that the film did good for what it was. Meaning they had to write others arch’s too, I think if we focused too much on Luke it would take away from the rest of the rest of the film. I would love to learn more about Luke over the last 30 years.
If i had to Rank all of the movies i would go like this
1. Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back ( 99% )
2. Episode 6: Return Of The Jedi ( 97% )
3. Episode 3: Revenge Of The Sith ( 95% )
4. Episode 4: A New Hope ( 91% )
5. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story ( 86% )
6. Episode 7: The Force Awakens ( 72% )
7. Episode 9: The Rise Of Skywalker ( 65% )
8. Solo: A Star Wars Story ( 56% )
9. Episode 2: Attack Of The Clones ( 49% )
10. Episode 8: The Last Jedi ( 46% )
11. Episode 1: The Phantom Menace ( 43% )
12. The Clone Wars Movie ( 30% )
I'm not too sure where I'd put the spin off's, but for the main 9 I'd go:
1) Revenge of the Sith (10/10)
2) The Empire Strikes Back (10/10)
3) Return of the Jedi (9/10)
4) A New Hope (8/10)
5) The Phantom Menace (8/10)
6) Attack of the Clones (7/10)
7) The Last Jedi (6/10)
8) The Force Awakens (5/10)
9) The Rise of Skywalker (4/10)
:)
@@onemoreminute0543 Yeah i used to Really Hate Episode 9 with a burning passion if you ask me to rank the movies a month ago it would be below TcW movie but over the time after rewatching it i thought it was a great movie just not a great star wars movie
Same Goes for TfA
One thing all Star Wars fans CAN agree on with this film:
The scene with shirtless Kylo Ren is holy and must be preserved at all costs. Also gave rise to great meme 'Ben Swolo' 😂
I 💙 Ben Swolo.
I second this 😂
Mark Hamill was low key dissing this movie constantly - even going so far as to call the character he was meant to portray here "Jake Skywalker". The problem is that Rian Johnson is a budget M Night Shyamalan and his entire deal here was to subvert expectations for the sake of it. Everyone expected Rey's parentage to be a big deal and so he had her parents be nobodies.
The Emperor was powerful and could have easily killed Luke when he refused to fight, so Snoke dies in the most pathetic way possible. Finn was about to sacrifice himself in truly heroic exit, so he was denied that. Leia looks like she's dead, so she has a Mary Poppins moment that looks ridiculous. Luke looks like he's coming around, but then it's just a force projection and he dies from exertion. The movie is the ultimate troll for the sake of being a troll and it was so effective that Colin Trevarow had to ditch his entire script for Episode 9 (which is because there was no grand unifying plan between all 3 movies here) and wound up quitting over creative differences. This movie divided and alienated the fans so much that Solo wound up losing money at the box office, because people deserted it in droves.
This wound up causing so much of a mess with no loos ends properly being left open, that Episode 9 is a bit of a mess that doesn't really make anyone happy.
Mind you the writing was on the wall with Rogue One. One of LucasArts' earliest Star Wars video games that wasn't a video game retelling of the original trilogy, was Dark Forces. It told the story of not only how the Rebels got the Death Star plans, but a major side story between Episodes 4 and 5. The main character, Kyle Katarn, took on a life of their own when in the sequel game, they learned they were Force sensitive and eventually became an instructor at Luke Skywalker's reformed Jedi Academy on Yavin 4.
That was just tossed aside, like the rest of the Expanded Universe, by Kathleen Kennedy, who lied and claimed that the failures of the Sequel Trilogy were because they had nothing to work with. In reality, there are hundreds of books which were written covering more than 40 years after Return of the Jedi. There was no Ben Solo, but Ben Skywalker, who was the child of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade - a former force sensitive operative of the Emperor's. Han and Leia had 3 children - twins Jacen and Jaina and their younger brother Anakin - with Jacen's story arc taking a very tragic and dark turn - one which paralleled that of his grandfather, but was even more tragic.
Most fans regard the Thrawn Trilogy, written in 1991 by Timothy Zahn and set 5 years after ROTJ, as the unofficial episodes 7-9, while the Jedi Academy Trilogy, written in 1994 by Kevin J Anderson and set 2 years after the Thrawn Trilogy, is regarded as the unofficial episodes 10-12. I don't know if you like audio books, but if you're loving Star Wars as much as you sound like you are, you really should check out those stories. It will be another reason why you come to understand the ire which many fans hold towards the Sequel Trilogy.
I've had a bunch of folks recommend SW books to me now and I'll def add them to the list. I have so many series on my list and working through two at the moment (one of them being The Expanse book series... one of my favourite TV shows of all time). One day I will get to them. Thanks for your comment!
One other thing I'll add. Rey being perfect at everything is a problem when her story is supposed to be a hero's journey. We're meant to see someone with talent struggle and show promise: everything looks great for them in the 1st act, in the 2nd act they struggle and wind up in a dark valley where they're at their lowest point by its end and then they rise up to their true peak in the 3rd act. The OT did this well with all of Luke's strengths being weaknesses in the 2nd act and leading to a downfall which culminated in the loss of his hand. None of that happened with Rey, which is why she's rightly criticised as a Mary Sue, which is ultimately a criticism of how the character was written and directed, rather than of the idea of Rey or of Daisy Ridley's portrayal of her per se.
The visuals were always gonna be great with that Disney money but writing wise this movie is a trainwreck.
Its a given that a sequel can't satisfy everyone, because taste is subjective and everyone has their own opinions on how a story should progress. The Jurassic Park series, Ghostbusters 2, the Matrix sequals and even Empire Strikes Back, regardless of frame, all had their fans and critics, both when they first came out and today and whatever their opinions people are entitled to them, so long as they act mature and civil about them.
However though the vitriol and spite I've seen online due to this film has been nothing short of heinous with many of the excuses given outright deluded, to the point I wonder if those harping on this film were actually paying attention to it.
I personally just don't get, I mean, the acting is good, the effects are good, the story is compelling the music is memorable and it outright refuses to let cynicism win, portraying it as something to overcome or be avoided.
That's something I've noticed, a lot of films these days have their narratives wallow in cynicism because of the erroneous belief that misary means quality, when really its about execution, not content.
Personally I think we should appreciate any media that at least has a hopful conclusion or a the very least acknowledges good exists, even if the situation is complex.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I liked the film and I'll understand it if someone else didin't, if they can at least rise above the sterotype of the unpleasable entitled fan to be civil as well.
Definitely agree with this.
@@kaiielle Thank you.
The cultural garbage around this movie is crazy. Your criticisms are more harsh than anything I ever said, but I was attacked so much that I disabled my Twitter account.
I am glad you are doing this now, not then. Keep up the good work. 👍
Damn, I'm so sorry you were attacked for sharing your criticisms. 😭 People can really be terrible. Was the main reason why I had the intro I did for this particular reaction. It's too bad that most people aren't that passionate about things that actually matter. Thanks for your comment!
I'm rather critical of this film, but I do agree that the backlash to this film was just cringe to watch. The song changed from 'George Lucas raped our childhood!' to 'Rian Johnson raped our childhood!'
For godsake, ITS A MOVIE ABOUT SPACE WIZARDS . It's not the bloody library of Alexandria
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Love your reactions. I have one disagreement. Rey doesn’t have a full arc. She is so perfect and while you mentioned you know people like that, Rey has been fighting, flying and excelling over everybody and i would have preferred the approach done with Luke: a progression to becoming a Jedi. i love Daisy Ridley and would have liked better writing for her character.
I feel sorry for Daisy she is a good actress (and John Boyega) but their parts were written so badly, they did the best with the slops they were given
I agree with you about her. Rey always felt too perfect. She gave off a strong "Mary Sue" vibe but I don't blame Daisy Ridley for that.
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The "PEW" she does with her mouth is *GOLD*
Never noticed that!
I'm glad as a new fan you can at least enjoy this movie. I just can't like or enjoy this movie. As a long time star wars fan I know too much of the lore and franchise to be able to let go of all the things this movie outright ignores. Ontop of the subpar writing/pacing, and lack of consitant story threads from the prior movie, it's just too much for my mind to let slide.
At least the next movie tries to rectify some of the problems. Sadly it also makes it's own problems due to having to try to fix this ones.
Sad to say I agree with you. Humour and messaging wise this seemed so wrong, tonally. The motivations were bizarre too. I did really enjoy seeing Yoda, and the design was great. But characterisation...not consistent with what came before.
Oh btw they had no over all plan for the plot and story of these movies which is just sad
I would be honest, I love this movie, after Ep III it is my second favorite SW movie. I know for many it can be “stupid” or “bad” movie, but I just love it. It has without any question the best visuals and cinematography, new point of view on the Force and the story (even if it’s not the best) is at least original (unlike Ep VII). Yeah some characters aren’t my favorite (like Rose or Finn) but I really love Snoke here as a villain (his design, voice and powers are so cool + his guards at least do something unlike Palpatine’s), Kylo Ren is amazing, Rey is good character but I just don’t like how good she is in everything and of course Luke. Luke is for me believable character here, becose we change our opinions and personality as we get old so even tho they could do his decisions better I feel his character was done pretty good on those circumstances (plus I love the redemtion arc at the end and Yoda’s lesson about failure), and if someone says he doesn’t make any sence, Obi-Wan and Yoda did the same thing (“failed” and went into exile and Yoda even didn’t want to teach Luke). As for Holdo, I disliked her at first but at the end I liked her redemtion (also love her character in Jurassic Park so…). Overall I must say I just don’t understand the hate, but I respect if someone dislike this movie even if I love it (becose I for example didn’t enjoy New Hope, Return of the Jedi, Phantom Menace, Rogue One and SOLO but that doesn’t mean someone else don’t love them). I just so respect people like you who even if they didn’t enjoy this movie as much as me, still doesn’t want any toxic haters here and respect others opinion, great reaction as well.
I love Snoke too, but to be fair to Palpatine's Royal Guards, they were of comparable strength and skill to Snoke's Praetorian Guards, the only difference is that the Emperor sent them away in Return of the Jedi when the big confrontation went down so we never got to see them jump into a fight, whereas Snoke kept his guards with him in his throne room, so they were able to jump into the fight. So I wouldn't downplay Palpatine's Royal Guards that much, as they get lots of time to shine in other Star Wars media.
@@TheGreater-ScopeVillain I agree but I will always remember them for that 1 second in Ep III (when Yoda just waves them out of the way like socks). Sad but we don’t have much of them as badass guards in the movies.
"This is when the fun begins"
Don't yuck people's yums! ❤
34:05 You'll notice this was the same music in the scene in Return of The Jedi where Luke tells Leia she is his sister. Was so awesome to see in the theater.
I always thought this was the best description of the force ever given
Kylo and Rey's relationship and Luke's final shot were the best parts of the movie... Thankfully, in my opinion, Rise of Skywalker redeems this trilogy in many ways and Its Definitely my favorite of the 3 despite it not being a perfect film.
Excited to get that reaction out later this week.
@@kaiielle good stuff!
Wow you are one of the few people I’ve seen with this point of view that I mostly agree with. Why do you think some people attack The Rise of Skywalker so much?
@@ralfuz777 honestly I'm not sure.. obviously no spoilers but I think they were unhappy with the direction they took certain characters... It's not perfect like I said but it had essentially all the payoffs I wanted and expected to get... I knew I wouldn't get them all but what I got I was satisfied with... I'll comment more once the video is posted haha
@@ajrwyfu Thank you for keeping your response spoiler-free. 😊
i love that your dog is just staring at you when you talk about how cute the "horses" are on Canto Byte
I hate this movie. I will admit there are about 3 cool scenes.
Someone might have already said it, but we first saw a ‘Force communication’ in ESB when Vader and Luke were talking to each other from different starships at the end of the movie