BREAK IN OR BUST?! Allis Chalmers 210 Engine Overhaul
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All of the work of rebuilding the engine of the Allis Chalmers 210 tractor is finally complete... but how long will this engine last?!
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Your series of videos is better than any drama available on TV 📺 or movie 🎬 !
I have been sitting on edge this whole time.
@Jim’s Automotive Machine Shop, Inc.
I think your wife was doing a little putting on(acting like she might be upset) over the amount of money you have spent on this tractor!!!
I’ll bet she knows better than you how much you’ve spent on it(she was probably counting the dollar signs in her head the whole time)!!!
I’m not saying you won’t have to give her that trip to Hawaii, but she might let you tag along!!!
I have that exact same snap-on torque wrench. Love it
Sounds a lot better under load than before. Hope she serves you well for many years.
Still a lot cheaper than a new one.
(The tractor, by the way, not the wife!)😁
LOL
Yeh you're right a replacement wife is a VERY expensive swap!
I think the end of the video make it all complete !!!
Like that comment funny. ? The tractor not the wife?
@@JAMSIONLINE This is an excellent video 📹 hi 👋 from 🇨🇦 father and son Team is amazing respect back to the both of you 💙 ❤ 😊😊😊
Awe! That last bit! She's a keeper! I liked how he kept backing up 😂
Family is the best!! You've got a great one!!
Love the video series. I only own an Allis WD so the step up to these monsters is beyond me. Hope she lasts a long time for you now!
Blackstone labs has one of the longest track records of trusted fluid analysis in the HD diesel industry, I’ve used them and had no reason to question results they’ve given me.
I have been binge watching since I found your channel. And while I’m a farm boy from Texas and Deere green flows through my veins. I’m fairly confident you got out of that cheap compared to a similar sized Deere tractor. I know it is a year late but maybe you can run that justification by your better half? On the way to the airport to catch that flight to Hawaii of course. It should go over smoother in a public place. 😂
"I figure you're going to find out eventually, so I might as well get this behind us." Yup! Been there before Bro.
I have enjoyed watching you guys bring her back to life again. As a farmer myself, I hope you are using hearing protection when not filming.
Notice dad moving further and further away. I'm dead. Fortunately, she's a good sport.
We use Staveley Services Fluids Analysis in Georgia for our fluid testing.
We will check into them!
i wonder if some dynamat would help on the roof of that cab before you install the cab kit.
Great! Happy all went smooth! Have you ever considered to buy a perfect tool for your soil? Like Terra-Max, built locally in KS. Buy the way, what planter do you have? Sorry for bothering. Thanks for sharing!
This would also cause injection spray to outside of piston crown because piston is not fully at top of its stroke
Did you check the piston deck height on the piston that showed fuel spray on outer edge of that piston,if a conrod is bent piston will not be at top of its stroke when injection takes place. Good luck.Leon W Sth.Australia
Lake Speed Jr seems to be the guy to go to for oil analysis, don’t know if he can help you with fuel?
YOU HAVE GOOD TASTE IN HAVEING A TRACTOR THST YOU CAN REPAIR YOUR SELF . NOT LIKE THEM MODEN ONES WHERE ALL YOU CAN DO IS KICK THE TYERS. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN JIM
Told her on camera…wise man.
20 min video and 5 is a square space commercia
The ad is literally under 1 minute of the entire video. Talk about being a whiner about your free content.
How blasphemous it is for a content creator to be able to make a living!!!!!
@@JAMSIONLINE Make a living? Isn't that what you own a machine shop for?
The original pump was either severely out of time(doubtful as it started well), or the fuel setting was completely wrong. Im betting on an over fueling pump.
Hawaii is always better in the dead of winter !
Loved watching Dad move further away from Mom as the prices went up. Also wise to take Mama to HI😂
Sounds like Mom's going to HI - whether or not Farmer Jim goes along...
i live in Hawaii? Where would I take my wife? :)
Yeah, better practice saying "Aloha!"
Nice work. Thanks for sharing.
@@richardspees841 Switzerland
He was making running space 😂😂😂
A lot of you recommended we contact Area Diesel Service for help with the pump! Unfortunately, we had already sent it to another shop, but they did give us some advice and make a video speculating on what could’ve gone wrong with our pump!
Be sure to check it out: ruclips.net/video/o81RCxEfIEg/видео.html
HOW MENEY ACRES DO YOU FARM JIM . SUPRRISED THAT YOU BUILD ENGINES AS WELL DO FARMING .
you might want to pin this comment to the top.
Also where did you get the gauges you used?
End is so awesome and wholesome! Good laughs right there, good to see her up and running like a charm to! Thanks for taking us along your little adventure here boys
I’m not a Diesel guy, and definitely not a Tractor guy, but I’m really, really excited to see this. I think we can all appreciate the attention to detail and the feeling of victory after a difficult project. Well done!
The initial cost was not much, but the final cost is still far below what a new tractor would cost. All in all that 210 should be a good field worker for you. Having been in the auto repair business for 45 years I knew what you were doing and it was more than just one thing that you were fighting. You were able to diagnose what it was and it seems that you now have a good reliable A C 210 to work for you for a long time. My family are international people and my cousin would take the winter to go and find one to restore for the following year to work for him.
Watching from the Netherlands, great work. Big fan since day 1. You are amazing showing mistakes and failures, and that makes you a thrustworthy and amazing workshop. Keeping up the good work!
That engine is in better condition now than it was when it left the Allis Chalmers factory. Another excellent job, well done!
The world is missing men like Jim everyday....keep up the old skool stuff!!!
Yeah the future generations look bleak
Thanks Jim, Yes I think you have found the problem, injector pump too far ahead with too much fuel can kill a motor, especially one that works full load for many hours like a tractor engine. Thanks guys for posting your experiences. Ted from down under.
That confession to his Mrs. went a lot better then I would have guessed. No shouting. No "sleeping with the dog for the month". No threats on his man hood. You, Sir, are a very, very lucky man to have such an understanding wife. She is the type of women most men would search their whole life for. Happy early Anniversary to the loving couple. xXx
He was wise to keep the camera rolling…😂
Really enjoyed seeing this come to life again. Thanks for taking us along for the ride 😇
We still farm with Allis Chalmers tractors but mainly 8000 series and 100 series for haying. I have an injection pump that needs rebuilt on my 8050 and after your situation I am afraid of taking it off myself to send it off. I might just let our local AGCO dealer do the work. I have rebuilt several 426 engines but never took the pump off of one maybe there is a good reason for that. I enjoyed your rebuild and am glad you have it up and running again. Looks like good flat ground in your part of CO.
I think that turned up pump, was your doom. When I spend more then I should, I always tell myself that it is a learning charge. Sent the bill to the training department. 😊
First of all, I love your videos and channel, because it’s so educational and about the mechanic work, processes etc, and you haven’t gotten carried away thinking that it’s you individually we are interested in. 2. I’d love to learn more about “pulling” and how you ultimately decide how “hard” to pull, where to run the tractor etc, and the economics of where you run the tractor. 3. BUT the ending with MOM was priceless!!!!!!!!!! I’m going to be laughing and smiling all day because of that!!!!!!
Nice job. It sounds awesome for a 500 dollar tractor. Just watched this and realized you spell your first name the same as me. Not a James though just Jimmie
Me too! Just Jimmie, not James. The Cleaning guy
Does that overhaul cost include your regular shop rates ?
Otherwise your $20k doesn't seem bad for a beast like that.
i think it was a mixture of the fuel pump timing being slightly off (pumps dont necesarily time in tdc as proven to me by ford and their 20° btdc pump timing) and the extra 20% fuel mashed into it that made them tight gapped rings have the sweat of their lives! the engine now sounds much more health and happy to be working and honestly 17k old school still beats newer equipment! cheers
Uh oh! Oh dear ... when Mama is in the shop, Dad has some explaining to do! The SELL though is classic! " ... tires are good" Best part of the whole video :) Lol, relatable good stuff
Man I am happy to see the cleaning guy finally get his toy up and running. I do feel bad for him having to fork out that much money to get it running plus a trip yo Hawaii.. but that's how it goes sometimes
It's personal now. He doesn't let things that he has gotten good at over the years beat him. That's the guy that you want to learn from
Good work Jim. Having your skill set and machine shop!! Is a beautiful thing!!
I want to pull the injectors and put a scope in the cylinders to check the cylinders I wanna know how they look now. It’s killing me I wanna look with a scope
We've thought of this (on the previous engine) but can't find s scope with a small enough diameter!
I guess I’m old schooled but I have never heard of belt timing. 40 plus years as a heavy equipment mechanic. I’m retired now but I’m going to look that one up. Sometimes s*** happens. Seen motor do the same and never found out why. Had one that the inside of the coolant hose would collapse and restrict flow even though it was a new hose. Good Luck
Belt timing is just a joke. The rest is serious.
Blackstone Labs to test your fuel. $15.
They did the first test. We want a second opinion
Heitman Tractor Salvage in Durand Wisconsin has new pto shafts. You should also have put the new updated rocker arm shaft in it, and plugged the rocker shaft oil drain tube. If I remember correctly allis was for every pound of boost its 10 horsepower. I'd also shim the oil pressure relief valve, that's kinda low on oil pressure when cold. All of our 426s have also double that when cold.
I was thinking the same, that oil pressure seems pretty low.
It did have break in oil in it which is usually a thinner oil.
Would you normally like to see higher oil pressure in a unit like this?
Great to see it out in the field pulling and sounding great!
Would definitely like to see more of the parts washing guy farming.
I am just glad you got it lined out it looks like. Should make a nice tractor for years to come.
Congratulations fella's glad to see it running the way it should I'm happy that it worked out for your dad.
You know, there might be $17,000+ into that $500.00 tractor, but…. It sounds great, looks like the issues were fixed, you won’t be making payments on it, it will be cheaper to insure against loss, and you don’t need the approval, service delays or permission of “Big Green” to work on the tractor if you need to. Cheap at the price. Once you get the bent PTO shaft fixed, I’ll bet that the tractor will be pulling implements for years after you decide to do a little more relaxing instead of working.
I get a lot more satisfaction out of putting an old tool back in shape that will outlast me, than I do having to work with a shiny new piece of plastic-covered planned obsolescence.
Love the content.
It looks and sounds like you won the battle. We don't hear much of Allis anymore. My deceased wife's father was a machinist at the Harvey, IL Buda plant and was responsible for making fuel-injection needles for the big Persian Orange tractors. He retired before the company went bust in 1985. The machines were highly thought of for many decades.
Even at the higher gear that tractor just walks away with the disc with no troubles at all
Great job, I knew someone with your experience wouldn't assemble an engine with insufficient clearances & it had to be fuel related. Glad it's working put for you
Did you check the piston deck height,in case of bent connecting rods due to coolant leak under head gasket or rain water down exhaust pipe?
Congrats on the successful rebuild! Love seeing videos with you and your dad working and learning together. Hopefully this will be the last time you need to touch the engine in a long time.
And the clip at the end with Mom with both funny and touching. I’ve had a few conversations like that with my wife 😂
That engine makes some real pretty sounds. Less than $20k for a work horse like that is money well spent.
We send all of our generator fuel samples to Petroleum Technologies for analysis
That’s awesome to see a pto dyno at your shop!
I also watched the video from Area Diesel as they described the possible issues your Allis Chalmers injection pump may have.
You guys have put a lot of work into this tractor and I enjoy the videos of the process!
I’m liking the EGT and boost gauge. Very important gauges to have even if the tractor is just stock power.
Very funny ending.....Glad you got it running well. Hope it stays fine for you...and I think it will since it sounded great...
Mom was in good spirits hearing the "investment" Dad made with the tractor. Somehow I think Mom might be going on a shopping trip soon. lol.
CONGRATS! GOOD JOB U 2! ..... Hope she last for many years!.... I like the idea of all the new gauges, great idea!
I’m happy to see you guys got it running again and took some extra care and precautions this time. Hope it gives you many years of good use.
Do it right, do it once.
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Lol. I was looking at his hair and noticed that it looked real today.
Thanks for the laugh and tugging on it.
Back when I first saw the video of the original build running...I remarked out loud that it was running really clean! No smoke...which I think is a bad sign. You want to see smoke a little when making throttle changes and until the turbo comes up to match the flow you should see a little darkening of the exhaust. We know the pump was put together 180 out...and if they aren't symmetrical inside this could have changed how the flow works enough to make it a problem as well as the timing. Exhaust looks good and normal now...I think it's fixed right good.
As my wife says about my farm toys..............They are BOATS........Break Out Another Thousand!
But I tell her the stories are priceless!!!!!
Sure seems like you've got it now- great reward for careful rework. Now for a pto shaft video!
It is so good to see that there are still families like this in America
There's many, they're just not the ones you're generally going to see on TV or online.
I would say most American families are like this, doing their own thing, but we're too boring and don't fit the narrative for the media.
Why would you doubt it?
How on earth did the previous owner bend the PTO..... That took some talent
Sharp turn with it spinning will do that. Seen it happen with stalk choppers all the time
Have seen several bent and broken. If it can be done there's somebody that can do.
Just got done watching the Area Diesel vid talking about how the injector pump works and all it’s variables. Fascinating stuff. Hopefully your tractor is now happy and allows you to farm with it.
All wives the same on money spent?
That guy that sold the tractor for $500 should become your financial advisor.
Love the series on this tractor. Always remember to keep more than arms length away from your wife when you're telling her prices on a project.😂😂😂
I feel like you guys have ran it longer than before at this point. Lol i have a feeling that it will be all good now.
I tinker on Detroit 2 stroke boat engines. Nothing comparable to your AC210 but wet liners on some models. I do know your liners did get hot.
But question, again from a AC dummy; Is that the correct turbo boost? I would of thought more.
Well gee whiz, if that's all the fireworks you had to put up with then I'd be looking for another 500$ Allis...bad luck can't happen twice, can it?
As a husband who also” doesn’t keep good records” with my mechanical hobbies, I will gladly make a small donation to the send-your-mom-on-a-Hawaiian-trip collection campaign!
Ya still have that PTO shaft to fix.
I'm sorry, I do not have a clue. What would a comparable Turn-Key tractor approx cost?
Well done guys, loved your diagnosis process.
I really enjoyed that being i was around my neighbor's 200 Allis Chalmers some and we paired the 200 up against my 2840 JD on my feed grinder , lol , my neighbor hated John Deeres , but we had a good time
On Bosch rotary pumps the flyweights pivots and carrier wear and stick .
Question ?
Is this a possibility on this pump??
That injection pump was probably messed up by the first shop. They probably had the timing somehow messed up.
Tractor sounds awesome... great job guys!
Saw the Area Diesel videos today. Then watched your videos on the drama and subscribed, thanks for the videos.
LOL!! 😂. Dad not wasting any time getting tractor out of shop. Spent too much time installing that insulation to have diesel smoke spewing all over it.
Hope no more issues
I really wanna know what the fuel lab results are.
You guys are a really good machine shop and see an engine fail like that with everything buttoned down sucks.
Best video yet! Tractor is done for the second time, I'll bet Mom gets a trip to Hawaii, maybe by herself since the tractor cost sooo much and Dad has to work more to pay for the trip. Reminds me of growing up on the farm in PA and having to work on everything we owed because we couldn't afford to send it out to get fixed. Keep up the great video and include Mom more!
I always cut my costs in half. I mean it's only far. Remember it's 50/50, unless it's shoes or a purse, hehe
Really enjoyed this series. The engine sound after the final rebuild is music to my ears. I just bought my first diesel, an IDI F-250. It’s been really fun learning to work on those old diesels. Thankfully it’s a bit less expensive than your “$500” tractor! Hope it gives you guys many decades of service after this build.
Love your work guys , The tractor is pulling , like a 14 year old boy . Cheers from Australia .
Good to see that this didn't make the scrapyard thanks for saving another allis chalmers tractor sounds really good and looks great. My uncle was a huge A/C collector it was fun farming with them in NE miss those days thanks for sharing the complete rebuild
210s are bringing $15-20k😂 I don't think it would have made the scrapyard!
$17,000 isn't bad if you get a long life out of it. What is the price of a new one?
JIM YOU LET THE CAT OUT THE BAG BUDDEY. WE ARE THERE FOR GOING TO PUT YOU IN THE CORNER FOR LETTING THE SIDE DOWN . YOU WAS DOING GOOD WITH ALL THE SHINY BITS . WHEN PRESSED YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID YOUR VOICE WAS GONE . AND THEN IF THAY SAY WRITE IT DOWN. JUST SHOW YOUR SHAKING HANDS. I CAN SEE WE NEED TO SEND YOU BACK TO BE RE EDUCATIONAL CAMP FOR MEN . NOW DO BETER NEXT TIME . 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣⚘⚘⚘
I think I've found a potential Hoarder in your family. It seems like just yesterday your assistant's new shop was empty.....now look at it!! HAHAHA...I think he's planning on getting lost in the shop so you can't find him! Better GPS him. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Use some ATF on the diesel, and the tractor will pull, like the BIG BUD.
As for the noise, putting a muffler back on it would help along with the cab kit. I know everybody is all in love with the chrome stack look, but it's a tractor. At the end of the day it's a tool. You only get one set of ear drums.
I think the source of the issue was the fact that the pump was turned up ( I think you said 20%) plus that and the rings were too tight. I mentioned before the lack of piston cooling on that motor plus your using non OE parts makes determining the real installed specs tough because non OE stuff is built to be as generic as possible in not only measurement spec but also alloy spec. We are all assuming the pistons and rings are of the same alloy that the OE stuff was, and I'd wager it probably isn't. Which makes determining running clearances pretty difficult.
Also given most of the gauges don't work I'd be tempted to redo the existing dash panel to utilize the aftermarket gauges.
Glad the tractor is up and running. Hawaii is a great payoff to keep the wife happy.
It's good to see the tractor running smooth and in limits. Also good to see the maintenance goes beyond machines and includes your relationship. 😉
Jamie, thank your Parents for raising you with Love ❤️ 👍
Awesome! Wish our geographic locations were closer so as to call on your shop for it's thorough and unrivaled services. Happy upcoming anniversary.
I'm assuming machine shop time at what a customer would be charged may bump the total a little bit!
Also that's a good size field.
Happy for you guys.
Mum should be happy you didn't purchase a new digital monster. This generation of machinery is the most reliable and cost effective. Thanks for the journey. Cheers from Australia