Dude i know Ruski lost like tens of thousands of vehicles in this "special military operation" and many X that in actual life lost, but hey atleast they still got turtle tanks.
And the collective western citizens who support UA don't know the damn difference between linear and exponential. They view the front line situation through linear lense, where RU move at a pace that it will take them 200 years to reach Kiev. They so quickly forgot about WW1. I saw a comment on insta about this that said: "I imagine if we had smartphones and social media during WW1, there would be some dum*as* like you who would say something like "At this rate, it will take Allies 100 years to drive Germans out rofl lolmao" ", and if this ain't the damn truth!
@@louislinsley3128 Until February 2022 the Russians had held Crimea, parts of Donetsk and parts of Lugansk. Now they hold Crimea, entire Lugansk, most of Donetsk, most of Zaporozhy and most of Kherson. To claim that the Russians have LOST ground since February 2022, the Kiev regime's troops would have to conquer parts of Crimea, or parts of either Donetsk or Lugansk held by Russia prior to February 2022.
@@louislinsley3128Projecting much - you have 3 subs 🤣🤣 What a surprise some elderly hate-filled man sharing his meditation technique in a dirty trailer isn't going viral! Looks like you furnished that room from a trash-heap, focus on yourself first..
late gonzalo lira had a openhouse channel/segment .. that worked great . And all of the commentators ,mappers , analists, common folk could have joined in.. we need to see something like that again
Any European nation can send troops to Ukraine without it being a NATO operation. NATO is contractually a defensive alliance. It does not require any member to support another’s offensive actions.
It is a defensive alliance by contract. If any members chooses to go on the offensive it is up to the individual nations to participate or not not required by any legal obligations of the alliance. I am not looking past Libya or Serbia. But that is by choice not NATO obligation.
@@mindbodyinstitute2652 Back in 1998-1999 throughout the phases of threats, negotiations and bombing of Serbia & Montenegro, the NATO officials explicitly referred to themself as NATO, not as a group of countries acting regardless of NATO. If it's contractually a defensive alliance, why did they call themself NATO when attacking a country?
You people don't seem to appreciate just how valuable not having mean Tweets is. Yes we may have WW3, economic collapse, societal collapse, etc. But we don't have mean Tweets
@@louislinsley3128Sorry child, you’ve been gulping the koolaid, Russia, in fact, has been advancing for months….look how far the russians have advanced since taking Avdivvka! Get out of the echo chamber, and open your eyes!
The other day, I listened to the interview with Swiss journalist. He basically said the same about school education in Europe; they don't have textbooks, they learn basic history. In Switzerland, they will learn 5 languages in school, but once they graduate they won't be formulate any meaningful thought.
Yeah, I'm American. I've met folks who graduated from European high schools.. Their education was Superior to an American HS graduate! By far. When I went to college, freshman year was So Boring because it was Everything one should have learned in High School!? American HSs merely pump out Graduates!?
@@louislinsley3128 I'm from Serbia. We had one girl that was failing primary school, moved to USA at 13, finished as top 10 of her class. Also, I was in US in 2016 and the damn steretypes are true. Nibbas stole my bicyicle, fat people everywhere, US flag everywhere, stupid people everywhere, junkies everywhere, homeless everywhere, almost all I met said "Oooh, Serbiaaa... must be cold there"... But there were plenty of normal people too, one time my bike tire popped and a lady in a truck picked me up and drove me home. It's just a huge cluster fuck of everything.
Ephesians 6:12 "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
"Paint your helmet green and go stand over there, so we have an excuse to jump in. Don't worry, your death will not be in vain, it will be in Ukraine." Call it Operation Tripwire.
The rate of Russian advancement in Ukraine is gradually increasing. That current progress of Russian advance may not seem impressive, but its the increased rate of advancement that is profound and shows where this war is rapidly headed.
EU cant made 300000 army , with one command center, with one place order 😂😂😂. Dont know even 1 country in EU that have 100000 army 😂😂😂. Its so fun to hear that 😂😂😂. Only Poland have army , but is not the same level with Russians. Also , im not sure how many polands want to die for Ukraine. Remember , russians see ukraininans like brothers, but its different for other nations.
France 200k, Germany 200k and so forth, all this together and actual modern equipment and technology and without actually being in a state of war, i meant 'SMO" all that combined is the end of Russia. All Russia got is: I got nuke bois, leave me alone or i will press the glowy button. Ruski and UA brothers? nice story bro.
The NATO nations have 10X the monetary/military power of Putin!? In a conventional war, it's not even Close! Four Days Tops for Putin to be Driven back to Russia!
@@Hoophey The Russian Army is in active defense and is still taking territory whenever the go on the assault we can look to see a third of ukraine lost
Where we are now at what can be personified as the fully 'gloves off' moment. From February 24th 2022 Russia pursued a policy of extremely gradual engagement. Apart from the initial impulse and intent to overwhelm the Ukrainian regime and have it come sincerely to the negotiating table and implement Minsk, Russia has very gradually upped the pressure. Russia never wanted this conflict. Putin sought for eight years through Minsk not to have this conflict and so an extremely gradual deployment of force was employed, hoping at every stage that the Kiev regime would see sense and negotiate the peace and agree to Ukraine never becoming part of NATO. However, having fully and completely grasped that the Ukrainian regime is fully controlled by the western powers who wish to use it as its tool to essentially destroy Russia as she is presently, the Russian hierarchy have now given up virtually all hope of a negotiated settlement and is now pursuing a fully and all-out military solution which will ultimately bring about the Kiev regime's complete capitulation and the humiliation of the western powers and their military weapon, NATO.
Russia can only win if The Members of NATO choose to allow it. Russia is a nation of 150 million that will fight against roughly a billion in labor and manpower. NATO also has a much larger industrial base and more advanced technology generally. Russia will have to fight only with internal arms production. NATO is much richer and can buy from every other nation in the world that wants to benefit. DPRK and Iran might be only nations that will accept Ruble for arms. Even China will probably say no to Ruble. China is not stupid and needs real currency right now. Everyone wants the USD & Euro because, well because everyone wants it.
So Russia invaded parts of Ukraine and threatens to go further unless Ukraine accepts a bad deal in Minsk. Then when Ukraine decides to not follow thru on the shotgun wedding. Russia invaded further into Ukraine to force a deal in its own benefit again. Now Ukraine (with help) is fighting for its independence and Russians want to say it’s because of Western control? Could it be maybe that Ukraine is tired of being bullied by Russia for most of its history and is fighting back?
I don’t know the answer but if Poland attacks Russia and Russia retaliates it is not an article 5 situation. I guess it depends some on if Poland attacks Russia proper and if Russia attacks Poland proper. The two fighting inside Ukraine is not a NATO issue unless NATO wants it to be.
Soon we will see french army fighting russians in Ukrain but on the french tanks you will read " hi there we are french soldiers but not NATO " while British soldiers will sing " we are not NATO we are british who love to die for Ukrain democracy 😂😂😂
No. Europe would like us to really send troops. Europe but not nato. But they will come and beg the us. Europe has neither the will the tools and manpower to go into a war. But would appreciate if the us could go. Because it’s the only country that would make a difference. I’m French and the country do not have what it take on any plan or any level to go into a war.
@@mindbodyinstitute2652The Czech found 800,000 shells . 4 months later they are still looking for people for transport them Most of Europes industry is in China
@@Peacewar2020 Europe has a large industrial base and a high tech military industry. It really needs to expand but Europe has a workforce 4x that of Russia. Again it’s the will that’s missing. I’m not saying they should. I’m just saying Europe could if it really wanted.
@@mindbodyinstitute2652 Europe’s industry couldn’t put match Russia in Military output . The 30 European NATO members couldn’t up military output due to in fighting. Add the population of those countries will still want they’re Gadgets and peacetime way of life. Which a military output would disrupt. Add the high energy cost which will fall on the citizens of Europe . Your living in a fantasy world to think Europe is some great military might. The over engineered junk they make is not only expensive but tend to break down and need to much maintenance
But if europe sends troops outside of NATO then that is still acts of war against Russia and therefore those states are legitimate targets and any strike can be considered exempt from article five.
Is it an act of war against Russia to defend Ukraine from Russia? It is an act of war but not “against Russia” It depends on whether Russia proper is attacked I would say. Remember Russia invaded Ukraine anyone that defends Ukraine is not starting a war with Russia it’s defending another against Russia.
VoR, the europeans asked the americans if they will send troops on the ground in Kosovo to fight the serbs. If the americans were willing to send troops, then the europeans will send their troops too. But the americans refused to send combat troops and told the europeans, US will just use air forces. And, you know better than me, they bombed from 3000+ m distance. And because the americans refused to send ground forces, Europeans simply backed down. This is what the Montenegrian highest official at that time said after the Kosovo campaign. He knew that after being given russian intelligence about the situation. So, that tells you everything about the fighting spirit of the europeans. They were scared to fight the serbs, and one expect they will be brave enough to fight the russians. Just a joke.
It's obvious why the troops will be called European, and not NATO. There is a good chance they will be crushed! They cannot afford for Nato's and for its reputation to be crushed, but individual countries are as expendable as Ukraine. Nato can just say they did it wrong, like they did after Russia defeated the spring/summer offensive at the first defence line.
Germany France and Poland if they want can form an alliance outside of NATO for offensive operations and it would not involve NATO. NATO is required to step in if a member is attacked. Not if a member sends troops into a combat zone.
There's a lot to be said for not accepting Western media at face value. But that doesn't mean we should fall for Russian propaganda. Russia has used the past half year for an offensive based on the knowledge that Ukraine would be plagued by shortages of ammunition. Despite putting its economy on a war footing and mobilizing all readily available reserves it has only made piecemeal gains. From a strategic perspective, Putin's offensive has been a failure. It seems sure this war will last more than 1.5 year, which is about the time when Russia's defence production will fall significantly behind that of Ukraine and its allies. Only China could save Russia, but Beijing has different priorities.
@@MarcoSwart Tell AFU to stop whinning about everything including FAB1500s. Wait until May 21 and let's see how serious the west is about upholding this farce.
Another Nothing Burger by The Voice of Putin! He used the Kremlin speak three times, “the Ukraine”, to refer to a Sovereign Nation with a culture that predates Moscow as a Geographical region! Then, VoP cites an article from “Foreign Affairs”.. “Europe but not NATO should send troops to Ukraine.” In that article the authors proposed contingents of NATO nations go to Ukraine. Not as NATO troops claiming a National stake..But, as backup. “..would not be NATO but a coalition of European countries”. Thus, when attacked by Putin, not invoking Article 5. So, Voice of Putin couldn’t wrap his tiny Putin head around That. The rest is more VoP nonsense.. “Rus Massive air capabilities.. glide bombs” VoP. “Fix and destroy strategy” … Yeah, the Russian AF is being Pummeled by UKR AD. Thirteen multimillion dollar aircraft destroyed in March. Glide bombs haven’t been ‘the miracle weapon’! Voice of Putin, do better. Eat fruit.
"THE" Ukraine did not exist before 1991("Sovereign Nation with a culture that predates Moscow"). Before that, it was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Prior to that, various parts of the modern-day territory were Novorussia, Malorussia, and wholly parts of the Russian Empire. It's all on the internet. Exercise some brain cells reading history and leave TikTok alone.
@@MarcoSwart You still have not offered any counterpoints. You just continue spewing brainless, unintelligent dribble. You must be European, right? All of you got snookered into following the "dumb and dumber" in DC.
A year ago the Chinese former foreign minister, still in an official position, visited Putin. They talked 3 days and then went official, not much attention in the press, but what there was published, is international law! China will not allow that Russia losses Ukraine war. This can mean, Chine, in case of need, would send ammunition and weapons or even troops. It could be a million or more. Even the complete NATO in Ukraine could change the situation.
China has its own problems.. Sanctions against Putin's regime Will Not interfere with China's most lucrative trading partners; the US and Europe! Xi is Not a Putin guy. Get real.
@@therealVOR The borderland Slavs have always been fickle. One generation they are with Poland, and the next generation they are with Russia (empire) for freebies when they can't get freebies from Poland anymore. Now, they have worked up a scam to get freebies from the West. Same playbook as always over the last 800 years. The REAL Russians are east of the Dnepr. After the revolution, Lenin gave them freebies (Donbas) to join the USSR. You can't make this up... they are literally a population group of freeloaders.
@@therealVOR Why are you avoiding talk about problems in russia and putins dictator ship? This supposed to be military and foreign affairs network? You talking points are same as russian tv and you avoid certaing topic all together..
"Pekka, why has our country joined NATO?" one Finn, Matti, asks the other. "Because we are facing the Russian threat," Pekka answers. "But why are we facing the Russian threat?" Matti ponders. "Matti, that’s because we are joining NATO," Pekka concludes. Pekka, you may want to sit this one out.
@@alexy.3512 Russia started war with ukraine in 2014 becose ukrainians didnt wanted anymore to russian decide things in their country. They didnt want to back anymore russian backed politicians. Ukraine was not in nato. Every finnish man has to go to military service and what do you think we are preparing there for? Attack from sweden? attack from estonia? Finland has been worked with nato very long before we joined we have had nato standards in our training 20 years. So nothing chanced my friend :D I dont know how well you know russia, have you been there?
Turtle tanks are on a rampage!
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Dude i know Ruski lost like tens of thousands of vehicles in this "special military operation" and many X that in actual life lost, but hey atleast they still got turtle tanks.
T-U-R-T-L-E. POWER.
It is game changes.
@@user-th8ty6ux2ryou know what the Institute for the study of war and Stratford present you.
Those men and women will be KIA. DOW.MIA. as the soldiers already there. T hanks for uploads and insights.
And the collective western citizens who support UA don't know the damn difference between linear and exponential. They view the front line situation through linear lense, where RU move at a pace that it will take them 200 years to reach Kiev. They so quickly forgot about WW1. I saw a comment on insta about this that said: "I imagine if we had smartphones and social media during WW1, there would be some dum*as* like you who would say something like "At this rate, it will take Allies 100 years to drive Germans out rofl lolmao" ", and if this ain't the damn truth!
💪🏻🇷🇺💪🏻🇷🇺💪🏻🇷🇺💪🏻🇷🇺 Победа будет за нами
That's exactly what Hitler said when he invaded other countries too.
Excellent commentary!!
Thank you kindly!
The collective West is really desperate " Europe but not NATO" 🤣😂
VoR, your final line is pure gold😏💯👍
Odd.. And I thought Putin 'took the gloves off' February 2022!?
Since then, Putin's Lost ground in Ukraine!
Maybe, he needs different gloves?
@@louislinsley3128
Until February 2022 the Russians had held Crimea, parts of Donetsk and parts of Lugansk.
Now they hold Crimea, entire Lugansk, most of Donetsk, most of Zaporozhy and most of Kherson.
To claim that the Russians have LOST ground since February 2022, the Kiev regime's troops would have to conquer parts of Crimea, or parts of either Donetsk or Lugansk held by Russia prior to February 2022.
@@matovicmmilan Riddle me This: in 2022 Putin controlled 20% of Ukraine. In 2024 it's 17%?
500,000 Russian military KIAs... Winning?
Gonna say it again, I really want to see you talking to other commentators on this. You have insights I don't hear from anybody else.
MFAN + History Legends or Danny Davis would be epic
Other RUclips commentators won't Touch The Voice of Putin because he's small potatoes. VoP gets, what, 6K views? The other guys get like 10-50K!
@@louislinsley3128Projecting much - you have 3 subs 🤣🤣 What a surprise some elderly hate-filled man sharing his meditation technique in a dirty trailer isn't going viral!
Looks like you furnished that room from a trash-heap, focus on yourself first..
late gonzalo lira had a openhouse channel/segment .. that worked great . And all of the commentators ,mappers , analists, common folk could have joined in.. we need to see something like that again
@louislinsley3128 That would be a hard pressed stretch to call VoR a Voice of Putin. Absolutely dumb comment.
Thank you again VOR for your superior insight!
Lesson in insanity
Any European nation can send troops to Ukraine without it being a NATO operation. NATO is contractually a defensive alliance. It does not require any member to support another’s offensive actions.
NATO is defensive 😂That’s funny
It is a defensive alliance by contract. If any members chooses to go on the offensive it is up to the individual nations to participate or not not required by any legal obligations of the alliance. I am not looking past Libya or Serbia. But that is by choice not NATO obligation.
@@mindbodyinstitute2652
What , you mean like NATO illegally Bombing Serbia ! 🤔
@@mindbodyinstitute2652 Any army going to ukraine fight with ukrainians goes to defend ukraine from russian attack
@@mindbodyinstitute2652
Back in 1998-1999 throughout the phases of threats, negotiations and bombing of Serbia & Montenegro, the NATO officials explicitly referred to themself as NATO, not as a group of countries acting regardless of NATO. If it's contractually a defensive alliance, why did they call themself NATO when attacking a country?
FJB
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I AGREE .GOING BACK FURTHER IN HISTORY ON A COUNTRY .HELPS ALOT .
I agree with every comment you said about the war in Ukraine, awesome truth
You people don't seem to appreciate just how valuable not having mean Tweets is. Yes we may have WW3, economic collapse, societal collapse, etc. But we don't have mean Tweets
WTF? Mean tweets?!
Big stick it is.
The concluding statement just made my day.
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Knucklehead, Putin 'took the gloves off' in February 2022!
Going on Year Three and Putin's Lost Ground!?
And I thought Putin 'took the gloves off' in February 2022?
He's only Lost Ground since then..
New gloves?
@@louislinsley3128Sorry child, you’ve been gulping the koolaid, Russia, in fact, has been advancing for months….look how far the russians have advanced since taking Avdivvka! Get out of the echo chamber, and open your eyes!
@@cowboyx9380 Haha. Yes, at Putin's rate of 'conquering the Nazis in Ukraine' Putin will conquer Ukraine in 40-50 years! Thoughts?
The Europe and not NATO is actually a guard for USA not to be responsible when shit hits the fan.
what an end statement!gravitas and shakespeare
Please do a Video on Ethiopia sir!! Your coverage is Excellent
The other day, I listened to the interview with Swiss journalist. He basically said the same about school education in Europe; they don't have textbooks, they learn basic history. In Switzerland, they will learn 5 languages in school, but once they graduate they won't be formulate any meaningful thought.
yep, i've met Europeans who speak five languages who never had an original thought in one of them.
Yeah, I'm American. I've met folks who graduated from European high schools.. Their education was Superior to an American HS graduate! By far.
When I went to college, freshman year was So Boring because it was Everything one should have learned in High School!? American HSs merely pump out Graduates!?
@@louislinsley3128 I'm from Serbia. We had one girl that was failing primary school, moved to USA at 13, finished as top 10 of her class. Also, I was in US in 2016 and the damn steretypes are true. Nibbas stole my bicyicle, fat people everywhere, US flag everywhere, stupid people everywhere, junkies everywhere, homeless everywhere, almost all I met said "Oooh, Serbiaaa... must be cold there"... But there were plenty of normal people too, one time my bike tire popped and a lady in a truck picked me up and drove me home. It's just a huge cluster fuck of everything.
As an American, I support Russia 200%. We are fighting the same enemy.
Absolutely right
Ephesians 6:12 "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
200%? This enemy is called Reality.
And who is that. Putin?
You are unlikely to be an American and very likely to be a Russian bot or maybe a live agent.
"Paint your helmet green and go stand over there, so we have an excuse to jump in. Don't worry, your death will not be in vain, it will be in Ukraine." Call it Operation Tripwire.
But wasn't US (+some allies) but not NATO who attacked Irak in the second war?
Great Perspective as always! have you considered opening a telegram for the community to talk with each other?
Not as of yet I have not
You too M and F.
at first it was a war of attrition now that they are grinded
"Should," but not "would!"
The color at the end is worth the wait.
Let's go
Where?
One plus one equals eleven
Good day
😂😂😂. Excellent comment.
The rate of Russian advancement in Ukraine is gradually increasing. That current progress of Russian advance may not seem impressive, but its the increased rate of advancement that is profound and shows where this war is rapidly headed.
Yeah, "Putin WINS!!" In 40-50 years at the rate of 'winning' in the last TWO Years!?
I don't know why but, I used to call it The Ukraine too . Now I just call it plain Ukraine .
Still using that old well thumbed through green textbook! J.
Huh? I couldn't find "Russian green textbook"? Any help?
@@louislinsley3128 I'm specifically talking about NewZealand Secondary Schools History text book. So sterile and one sided .
Am i the only one mimicking when he say "the voiceee of reeaasoooon"n
Yup.. It's "THE VOICE OF PUTIN".. Too funny.
UUURRRAA 🇷🇺 💖 🇷🇺
thank you for them last words
Knucklehead, Putin 'took the gloves off' in February 2022!
Going on Year Three and Putin's Lost Ground!?
EU cant made 300000 army , with one command center, with one place order 😂😂😂. Dont know even 1 country in EU that have 100000 army 😂😂😂. Its so fun to hear that 😂😂😂. Only Poland have army , but is not the same level with Russians. Also , im not sure how many polands want to die for Ukraine. Remember , russians see ukraininans like brothers, but its different for other nations.
France 200k, Germany 200k and so forth, all this together and actual modern equipment and technology and without actually being in a state of war, i meant 'SMO" all that combined is the end of Russia. All Russia got is: I got nuke bois, leave me alone or i will press the glowy button.
Ruski and UA brothers? nice story bro.
@@user-th8ty6ux2r , France 70k 🤣🤣🤣You are so funny 🤣🤣🤣.
The NATO nations have 10X the monetary/military power of Putin!?
In a conventional war, it's not even Close!
Four Days Tops for Putin to be Driven back to Russia!
@@user-th8ty6ux2r Why dontcha? Go for it, tough guy!
Yeah, "Russians see Ukrainians as brothers" that's why Putin has been Pummeling Ukrainian citizens with missiles and bombs for Two Years!? Get real..
YES THE RUSSIAN GLOVES ARE FINALLY OFF
Into year 3 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Hoophey The Russian Army is in active defense and is still taking territory whenever the go on the assault we can look to see a third of ukraine lost
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Where we are now at what can be personified as the fully 'gloves off' moment. From February 24th 2022 Russia pursued a policy of extremely gradual engagement. Apart from the initial impulse and intent to overwhelm the Ukrainian regime and have it come sincerely to the negotiating table and implement Minsk, Russia has very gradually upped the pressure. Russia never wanted this conflict. Putin sought for eight years through Minsk not to have this conflict and so an extremely gradual deployment of force was employed, hoping at every stage that the Kiev regime would see sense and negotiate the peace and agree to Ukraine never becoming part of NATO. However, having fully and completely grasped that the Ukrainian regime is fully controlled by the western powers who wish to use it as its tool to essentially destroy Russia as she is presently, the Russian hierarchy have now given up virtually all hope of a negotiated settlement and is now pursuing a fully and all-out military solution which will ultimately bring about the Kiev regime's complete capitulation and the humiliation of the western powers and their military weapon, NATO.
Russia can only win if The Members of NATO choose to allow it. Russia is a nation of 150 million that will fight against roughly a billion in labor and manpower. NATO also has a much larger industrial base and more advanced technology generally. Russia will have to fight only with internal arms production. NATO is much richer and can buy from every other nation in the world that wants to benefit. DPRK and Iran might be only nations that will accept Ruble for arms. Even China will probably say no to Ruble. China is not stupid and needs real currency right now. Everyone wants the USD & Euro because, well because everyone wants it.
So Russia invaded parts of Ukraine and threatens to go further unless Ukraine accepts a bad deal in Minsk. Then when Ukraine decides to not follow thru on the shotgun wedding. Russia invaded further into Ukraine to force a deal in its own benefit again. Now Ukraine (with help) is fighting for its independence and Russians want to say it’s because of Western control?
Could it be maybe that Ukraine is tired of being bullied by Russia for most of its history and is fighting back?
If Poland introduces its troops and fight against Russia and Russia hit back against Poland, will NATO retaliate or invoke Article 5?
Poland is fighting EU vultures trying to invade them with their immigration policies. In what world do you think they would want a war?
I don’t know the answer but if Poland attacks Russia and Russia retaliates it is not an article 5 situation. I guess it depends some on if Poland attacks Russia proper and if Russia attacks Poland proper. The two fighting inside Ukraine is not a NATO issue unless NATO wants it to be.
So no musketeer oath for Europa, then?
Certainly not
Soon we will see french army fighting russians in Ukrain but on the french tanks you will read " hi there we are french soldiers but not NATO " while British soldiers will sing " we are not NATO we are british who love to die for Ukrain democracy 😂😂😂
Ukraine and democracy,really?
@@user-fe5lr9zt3y Alot more than russia, there you cant in even use full volcabulary :D not to mention poverty and no rights and hope for better life
No. Europe would like us to really send troops. Europe but not nato. But they will come and beg the us. Europe has neither the will the tools and manpower to go into a war. But would appreciate if the us could go. Because it’s the only country that would make a difference. I’m French and the country do not have what it take on any plan or any level to go into a war.
Europe has the manpower and industry it just lacks the will
@@mindbodyinstitute2652The Czech found 800,000 shells . 4 months later they are still looking for people for transport them
Most of Europes industry is in China
@@Peacewar2020
Europe has a large industrial base and a high tech military industry. It really needs to expand but Europe has a workforce 4x that of Russia. Again it’s the will that’s missing. I’m not saying they should. I’m just saying Europe could if it really wanted.
@@mindbodyinstitute2652 Europe’s industry couldn’t put match Russia in Military output . The 30 European NATO members couldn’t up military output due to in fighting. Add the population of those countries will still want they’re Gadgets and peacetime way of life.
Which a military output would disrupt. Add the high energy cost which will fall on the citizens of Europe .
Your living in a fantasy world to think Europe is some great military might. The over engineered junk they make is not only expensive but tend to break down and need to much maintenance
But Voice the 61 billion will save them.......
But if europe sends troops outside of NATO then that is still acts of war against Russia and therefore those states are legitimate targets and any strike can be considered exempt from article five.
Is it an act of war against Russia to defend Ukraine from Russia? It is an act of war but not “against Russia” It depends on whether Russia proper is attacked I would say.
Remember Russia invaded Ukraine anyone that defends Ukraine is not starting a war with Russia it’s defending another against Russia.
"Iran gave its all"...The voice of BS
I definitely like a bigger stick
I’m sure you do.
@@mindbodyinstitute2652 😘😘
This will change once Ukraine is armed properly....
VoR, the europeans asked the americans if they will send troops on the ground in Kosovo to fight the serbs.
If the americans were willing to send troops, then the europeans will send their troops too.
But the americans refused to send combat troops and told the europeans, US will just use air forces. And, you know better than me, they bombed from 3000+ m distance.
And because the americans refused to send ground forces, Europeans simply backed down.
This is what the Montenegrian highest official at that time said after the Kosovo campaign. He knew that after being given russian intelligence about the situation.
So, that tells you everything about the fighting spirit of the europeans.
They were scared to fight the serbs, and one expect they will be brave enough to fight the russians. Just a joke.
Europe make me 😂😂😂😂to death
Haha.. Is that a direct Putin quote??
I do see the Irony.
I felt the energy in that last comment.
Yup, the Fervor of a true Putin Believer! Don't make it true or rational... Yes?
It's obvious why the troops will be called European, and not NATO. There is a good chance they will be crushed! They cannot afford for Nato's and for its reputation to be crushed, but individual countries are as expendable as Ukraine. Nato can just say they did it wrong, like they did after Russia defeated the spring/summer offensive at the first defence line.
Germany France and Poland if they want can form an alliance outside of NATO for offensive operations and it would not involve NATO. NATO is required to step in if a member is attacked. Not if a member sends troops into a combat zone.
Yeah, you're dreaming about Putin's 'victories'. Since 2022 Putin's Lost territory in Ukraine! Right?
You using slow speech cadence to draw out viewer time.
Not respectable; requires 1.25x speed min.
Go Murican' tact.
There's a lot to be said for not accepting Western media at face value. But that doesn't mean we should fall for Russian propaganda. Russia has used the past half year for an offensive based on the knowledge that Ukraine would be plagued by shortages of ammunition. Despite putting its economy on a war footing and mobilizing all readily available reserves it has only made piecemeal gains. From a strategic perspective, Putin's offensive has been a failure. It seems sure this war will last more than 1.5 year, which is about the time when Russia's defence production will fall significantly behind that of Ukraine and its allies. Only China could save Russia, but Beijing has different priorities.
Ukraine has ZERO defense production. What are you smoking?
@@ub210 You go tell Putin's front soldiers to stop whining about Baba Yaga then.
@@MarcoSwart Tell AFU to stop whinning about everything including FAB1500s. Wait until May 21 and let's see how serious the west is about upholding this farce.
Another Nothing Burger by The Voice of Putin!
He used the Kremlin speak three times, “the Ukraine”, to refer to a Sovereign Nation with a culture that predates Moscow as a Geographical region!
Then, VoP cites an article from “Foreign Affairs”.. “Europe but not NATO should send troops to Ukraine.”
In that article the authors proposed contingents of NATO nations go to Ukraine. Not as NATO troops claiming a National stake..But, as backup. “..would not be NATO but a coalition of European countries”. Thus, when attacked by Putin, not invoking Article 5.
So, Voice of Putin couldn’t wrap his tiny Putin head around That.
The rest is more VoP nonsense.. “Rus Massive air capabilities.. glide bombs” VoP. “Fix and destroy strategy” …
Yeah, the Russian AF is being Pummeled by UKR AD. Thirteen multimillion dollar aircraft destroyed in March. Glide bombs haven’t been ‘the miracle weapon’!
Voice of Putin, do better.
Eat fruit.
"THE" Ukraine did not exist before 1991("Sovereign Nation with a culture that predates Moscow"). Before that, it was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. Prior to that, various parts of the modern-day territory were Novorussia, Malorussia, and wholly parts of the Russian Empire. It's all on the internet. Exercise some brain cells reading history and leave TikTok alone.
@@ub210 And that's where your Internet stops?
@@MarcoSwart You have said nothing to counteract the points I made. Add intelligently to the conversation or get off the thread.
@@ub210 Consider it an invitation to use your own brain. I'm convinced you must have one.
@@MarcoSwart You still have not offered any counterpoints. You just continue spewing brainless, unintelligent dribble. You must be European, right? All of you got snookered into following the "dumb and dumber" in DC.
Europe should form its own military alliance. Without US support, they would be forced to work with Russia.
That's an alternate universe scenario.. Maybe, you should design A video game?
A year ago the Chinese former foreign minister, still in an official position, visited Putin. They talked 3 days and then went official, not much attention in the press, but what there was published, is international law!
China will not allow that Russia losses Ukraine war.
This can mean, Chine, in case of need, would send ammunition and weapons or even troops. It could be a million or more.
Even the complete NATO in Ukraine could change the situation.
China has its own problems.. Sanctions against Putin's regime Will Not interfere with China's most lucrative trading partners; the US and Europe!
Xi is Not a Putin guy. Get real.
This guy is a conservative Russia fan boy. Ukraine is standing their ground.
Yes, the Russians of the borderlands that support the west is standing their ground
I think most of them are horizontal at this point, but in “their” ground none the less
@@therealVOR The borderland Slavs have always been fickle. One generation they are with Poland, and the next generation they are with Russia (empire) for freebies when they can't get freebies from Poland anymore. Now, they have worked up a scam to get freebies from the West. Same playbook as always over the last 800 years. The REAL Russians are east of the Dnepr.
After the revolution, Lenin gave them freebies (Donbas) to join the USSR. You can't make this up... they are literally a population group of freeloaders.
@@therealVOR Why are you avoiding talk about problems in russia and putins dictator ship? This supposed to be military and foreign affairs network? You talking points are same as russian tv and you avoid certaing topic all together..
Your voice sounds very similar like russian tv propaganda
get back fast to ur safe space, life is more bearable for u listening to cnn or bbc lies.
"Pekka, why has our country joined NATO?" one Finn, Matti, asks the other. "Because we are facing the Russian threat," Pekka answers. "But why are we facing the Russian threat?" Matti ponders. "Matti, that’s because we are joining NATO," Pekka concludes.
Pekka, you may want to sit this one out.
Listę what Your Politicians say. You may be fighting FOR UKIES soon....As You love them.
the truth hurts,nazi West is on the ropes?
@@alexy.3512 Russia started war with ukraine in 2014 becose ukrainians didnt wanted anymore to russian decide things in their country. They didnt want to back anymore russian backed politicians. Ukraine was not in nato. Every finnish man has to go to military service and what do you think we are preparing there for? Attack from sweden? attack from estonia? Finland has been worked with nato very long before we joined we have had nato standards in our training 20 years. So nothing chanced my friend :D I dont know how well you know russia, have you been there?