Social Security Spousal Benefits Simplified 💡
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2023
- Figuring out the calculation for Social Security spousal benefits, especially when adjusting for age, can be tricky. In this video, I make it easy to understand!
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What happens if the husband met their credits, but passed away prior to retirement age? What happens to his contributions?
Thank you so much. I have been to dozens of websites, including SSA, and none explained benefits as clearly as you did. Now I understand what is best for me and my wife. She is six months younger than me, and earned much less than me. It makes most financial sense for her to collect her benefit at 67, and for me to wait until 70. Thank you again!
Thank you! Finally, someone provides understandable info on spousal benefits. Much appreciated. The tables, and your explanation, were perfect! BTW, we have received so much conflicting information from the SS office, and Fidelity advisors, on who has to file first (the husband or wife)....it's maddening!
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Thank you so much for explaining the spousal benefits in such easy terms. Absolutely the best.
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Great explanation - we're exactly in this situation (my wife took her SS early and I am coming up on my FRA next year so when I take SS she gets spousal benefit) and finding out an accurate overview of how spousal benefit is calculated is next to impossible. Thanks much!!! you're the first place that made it clear that the spousal excess is not reduced if the larger earner takes retirement @ FRA & the spouse is at their FRA.
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Wow finally a video that drills down and clearly explains this critically important topic. Thank you!
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Thanks!
Good stuff, Devin Carroll!
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Thank You. Finally, a clear explanation of different scenarios for spousal benefits. I have been searching for an answer for my spouse taking her pia prior to fra and how it impacts her benefit when the higher earner claims at fra. I get it now. Thank You !
Thanks! My wife and I were just talking about this yesterday. I guess the always listening algorithms guided me to your channel…
Excellent video. Answered the questions I had that I couldn’t find elsewhere. Very good graphics.
Glad I could help! My editor killed it with the graphics!
Thank you so much for this. Your step by step explanation was so much clearer than in any other video I've seen on the subject.
Glad it was helpful and thanks so much for watching!
Devin, You are so thourough and detailed. This is very good information. Thank you.
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Thank you! Ive never seen spousal benefits explained more clearly.
Glad it was helpful!
Well done video! Thanks!
Clear and concise. The charts really help clarify your examples. Thank you.
Nicely explained. I listened to several videos before this one and I was still confused until now, so thank you very much.
This is the clearest explanation about the spousal benefit I've ever heard. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Appreciate you watching and commenting!
Agreed. Devin's explanation is clearly and concisely stated. Excellent presentation, as always.
The length of marriage rule for survivor benefits is 9 months.
Thank you for a helpful presentation!
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this information. Your explanation is much easier to digest compared to the SS website. 🙂
Thanks. Great info
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Great video - thank you.
Very clearly prsented; very useful for retiring couple or married individuls. Thanks.
Your explanations are so clear! I wish you could do a video for a wife who receives a TRS disability amount and the husband who receives a social security benefit after retirement at age 70!
Thank you so much Devin.
Thanks for watching!
the explanation is great on how this works and when to use it. What I do not see on the Social Security Web page is where to start the process for spousal benefit filing
Enjoyed your explanation
Best video I have seen on this subject. Good job sir. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Devin...saw one of yours before and followed your advice...good advice and working well. Quick question: I thought you made a video on RMD but I cannot find it. Did I overlook it? Whatever you can point me to would be helpful....thanks again
Excellent and no questions :)
Very clear explanation and easy to understand. Thank you Devin.
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!
Thank you very much my wife and I are 60 now learn something new everyday
Great video thx
Mr. Carroll, great explanation and very educational. Question on the spousal payment calculator, If I retired at 62, do I still use the FRA benefit for calcs?
Love your explanations. As you pointed out the spousal benefit does not increase after the higher earner full retirement age. The higher earner may get a higher personal benefit after FRA but you shoul subtract the amount of the spousal benefit lost for each year you delay.
Yes...honestly, I didn't fully understand that until recently.
Devin - great job and thanks for the clarity in your video. If higher earner retires now at 62 and begins taking adjusted benefits, when spouse applies for benefits 5 years later at 67 / FRA, will spousal benefits be calculated at the higher earner's FRA even though the filed early at 62 or will they be ratcheted down to what the higher earner's benefits actually are? Thanks again for what you do!
Glad it was helpful! The spousal benefit is always calculated off of the higher earning spouse's full retirement age benefit.
Thank you for this. My husband is 4 years younger and the higher earner. The information here was very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
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Great job as always.
Did I understand this correctly?
Your lower earning spouses benefit could be greater when they file first and the higher earner files a few years later than if they filed at the same time?
Thank you for clarifying much of the spousal benefit issue. I don't think I heard one particular permutation: higher earning spouse files at FRA but lower earning spouse is younger than the higher earner. Should she file for spousal benefits BEFORE her FRA? If so, how much of a hit does she take on her net total benefit since she is filing earlier than her FRA? Thanks in advance.
Thanks, I did learns something new. That the Spousal benefit is reduced As her post FRA benefit grows (while she is waiting to file). Previously I assumed her benefit would continue to grow if she waited past FRA and her Spousal portion would remain constant.
That was actually my thinking as well for a long time.
@@DevinCarroll OK, My wife is one month older than me and her FRA benefit is significantly less than half my FRA benefit. I want to wait till age 70 to maximize survivor benefit. There is no reason for her to wait past age 67 (FRA). So, can I file and suspend at my FRA and she get spousal benefits and then I wait till 70 and maximize my benefit? Her spousal benefit will be on the order of $4170 per year (28% increase over her FRA benefit).
Awesome you are the man ty
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for sharing in such a clear manner! If you have a minute, I have a quick question. If a spouse is retiring (higher record) and wife 61 years old) is caring for their child who is disabled before age 22 and is entitled to benefits on fathers record, can the wife then draw from spouse as well? If I am understanding the rule it reads : "At any age if they are caring for your child under age 16 or who was disabled before age 22, and is entitled to benefits" A SSA claims rep indicated wife had to be 62. Thank you!
Thanks so much for your video! You are the best regarding SS!
If my husband files at 62, can I claim spousal benefits when I turn 62 and then switch to my own benefit when I turn 67?
Devin your videos on social security topics are so easy to understand and so helpful. I thank you. I was wondering if you might consider a video on how spousal and survivor benefits relate to each other. For example I am 70 and have been collecting social security since I was 68. If my wife takes spousal social security at her current age of 62 would it affect survivor benefits if I pass away before she reaches age 67 and could take survivor benefits at 100 percent. Could she stop spousal benefits wait till she is 67 and apply for full survivor benefits. We have been searching all over and can not find any videos that explain the 2 benefits combined. Again thanks for your great videos.
The survivor benefit is a completely independent benefit. It will not be reduced because she filed for her own benefit early.
@@DevinCarroll I need an explanation.
I was put on social security disability at age 55 on my own record. My husband took his benefit later at his full retirement age. His is much greater than mine, more than double what I get.
I will be 66 and 8 months in August. Can I switch to spousal benefit at that time?
@Devin Carroll I don't know that you addressed if the higher earner files early (age 62), what does that do for the lower earner who early files 5 years later when they reach age 62? What does that chart look like?
Thank you so much for your clear and understanding explanation of this process.
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Devin - Your videos are very informative. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. One question for you. My wife and I each started taking SS at age 62. My wife gets less than half of my SS. Can she apply for Spousal Benefits now at age 75 and get half of my benefit? Thank you.
That was the clearest explanation I have heard yet. Thank you. (Don't ask me to repeat it though, lol)
Glad it was helpful!
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Devin. Thank you for explaining, as clearly as possible, this complex scenario. One hopefully simple question: if the higher earner waits till age 70, it would benefit BOTH the higher AND lower wage earner(no matter when the lower wage earner files). Correct?
Devin, this video does clarify much of what you taught us in previous videos. Can you please add what happens if my husband retired several years ago at age 65, which was his full benefit, but I am nine years younger and cannot get a full benefit until 67. It would be nice to see a chart of what would happen if I retire on my own less benefits this year at 62 or I wait. Also, If I cannot retire until 67 but I have to file for medicare at 65, how does that get paid. Social Security will be getting paid for 2 extra years of medical benefits when I still have medical benefits from my spouse being retired military. How does all of this work and can you supply a chart for explanation?
If you don't get benefits from Social Security, you'll get a premium bill from Medicare.
Suggestion. at the 11:42 mark you are talking about how she decides to draw early and get $560. You should show what she actually draws and not what she could draw. The chart should show where she draws $560 and $0 for Spousal for two years. After that you can change the chart to show where she will start to collect the extra spousal payment when her spouse files. At that time you should change the chart to show $560 again for year 3 and $150 for the Spousal payment. If I understand what you are saying.
Hello Sir, thank you for sharing your expertise. Perhaps, you could make a video on my situation.
I took early retirement @ 62, because I married a younger lady, and we had a child when I was 58. So now I have a dependent, that my wife cares for. Therefor my child and my wife both get half of my full retirement amount. I am self employed, and filing jointly, so our earning limit is $34k or so after expenses, which works fine for us.
Question: My wife has taken a job, so would it be beneficial for us to file separate now, to raise our earnings amount to $2140.00 each? Or does the job even effect her SS benefits? Thank you for your time.
Thanks very explained. Do you have an example if high earner filed at age 66 (say $1900) than at age 67 FRA, (say $2000) and low earner will file at her age 67 FRA some time later? Because high earner is getting an reduction by filing earlier, will the spousal benefit be reduced to $950 half of $1900 or $1000 half of $2000.
Nice breakdown! (just a suggestion, mic needs to be a bit closer, had to turn up my volume quite a bit) 🙂
Much clearer, thank you. But I wish you covered the situation when the higher earner would file before age 67.
See the example towards the end.
Devin, If I begin collecting SS at 62 at 30% reduction and husband starts collecting at age 67. Will my spousal benefit be the calculated on the difference between my reduced Social Security ( the 70% Im collecting) and half of his?Or will it be calculated on the difference between my full retirement amount (which I didn't wait to collect) and half of his? Thanks in advance.
Thank you so much. I always learn something from you. I have a question about COLAs and whether it changes our FRA/PIA amount down the trail. My husband is the lower earner, took out SS at 62, and is now 72. My full retirement is 66 and 4 months. I am now 67 and will take SS at 67 and 11 months. Are the COLAs figured into the formula? My understanding is that it changes my PIA each year until I collect? Soooo, does his change? And how does it figure into the Spousal Benefits? Just curious.
You are entitled to all the COLA increases from 62 regardless when you file.
Good video. My scenario is different though. I claimed SS 18 months early at 65, with a ~9% penalty. My wife is 62. Can she get close to 50% of my benefit at 65 or will she have to wait until 67? Is that 50% based on what I'll be receiving in 3 years or based on my original benefit?
Devin, That was very helpful! It sounds like I may be entitled to the excess spousal benefit. Do I need to call Social Security to apply for this or is it automatic? I’m the lower income, early filer & my husband just filed a couple of months ago after he reached full retirement age. Thank you!
It is "supposed to be" automatic, but often is not. This is especially the case when the higher earner filed after the lower earner.
Devin, Thanks for your reply! I called S.S. to see if I’m eligible for a spousal benefit & the agent told me requires a manual calculation, it’s beyond her scope & she couldn’t figure it out. She said I need to make an appointment with my local office because they’re specialized. I’m really surprised that this kind of calculation isn’t computerized.
Hello Devin, I did not see the link for the free cheat sheet. This was a great video. Do you have a video for divorced spousal benefits?
I do have a video on that! ruclips.net/video/_hNqjVyU3fE/видео.html
Here's the link to the cheat sheet devincarroll.me/sscheatsheetyt
Great video! Our situation is a bit different than most. I am I will turn 57 next year and my wife will turn 62. We plan on having her file for her SS at 62. When I reach 67 (FRA) and start drawing SS, she will be 72. Will she then qualify for 100% of the Spousal Excess since it is tied to her age at which I file for benefits?
Great explanation, thanks. Would it be possible for you to explain the proposed HR82 social security bill pending in congress? It is very relevant to this video topic because it relates to spouses who are subject to GPO, government pension offset, and WEP, windfall elimination provision, too. I’ve read it has many sponsors, but just doesn’t seem to get any traction. Thanks, again
Over the years, I've watched many of these bills come and go. I have to admit, I've given up hope on our politicians correcting an issue that only affects 3% of SS recipients. I hope I'm surprised one day...
@@DevinCarroll I feel the same way as you, but the bill was reintroduced after it died last year and it has something like 290 cosponsors from both sides. Oh well, you never know.
Just wanted to give an update on House and Senate bills to reform WEP and GPO. House has 309 and Senate has 52 cosponsors.😊🤞
My husband started collecting his pension at 62, if and when i apply for spousal ... the benefit at full retirement will be 1/2 of his PIA but is it 1/2 of the PIA when he started collecting or will it be a total of the PIA when he started collecting plus the COLA increases to the point I would apply?
Hi Devin, This was an excellent video thanks so much for sending it out. I have one more scenario that I would like to have you explain.
What if there is an age difference between the spouses so the largest wage earner is 70 (FRA 65 / benefit $3000 per month) and takes social security and the lower wage earner is now 64 (FRA 67). How would you calculate the lower wage earner's social security benefit if she takes social security right now or at FRA of 67? Does the lower wage earner's spousal benefit increase because the high wage earner waited to collect social security?
The spousal benefit will not be increased by virtue of the higher earning spouse delaying their own filing. However, the survivor benefit will be increased.
Do you have a video on widows benefits ? My husband was killed in 1991. I took his benefit 30 some years later at 64 I think. At that time they told me I could draw how forever or switch to my own at age 66 and 3 months. What are my best options ? I worked a couple more years after I started drawing. I make 1068. A month and do not work now.
Hi Devin, I appreciate your time and expertise. I'm the highest wage earner and started drawing benefits at age 62. I know my wife will get half of what my benefit would have been if I waited to 67. My question is, in reference to spousal benefit, does my full retirement age amount get lock in when I started drawing benefits at age 62. Or will it adjust higher when i turn 67. In short, when does the FRA amount figure gets locked in when it comes to figuring spousal benefits. Thanks sooo much
Your benefit is always calculated off of your filing age. The spousal benefit is calculated off of your full retirement age benefit.
@@DevinCarroll- would I still receive half of my husbands Amount if I filed at 62 but not apply for spousal benefit until 67? ( my FRA is 67 )
Your video have been very helpful, but there is one thing I'm still a bit confused on. I'm am starting my benefits at 66 (January), 7 months prior to FRA. My wife will turn 62 3 months later, she is no longer working. If she begins her own benefits at 62 does it make sense to just start spousal benefits at the same time? If she waits until her FRA to apply for for spousal benefits will she get the full excess to bring her up to 50% of my benefits, or will it still be reduced to the same excess she would have gotten at 62?
Hi Devin - thanks for this. This video helped a lot in me understanding the nuances. It also introduced 2 new terms that I did not understand - Dual Entitlement and Spousal Excess. I do have a question. My wife and I will both hit full retirement age this year and we intend to start receiving at full retirement age. She worked but she will be entitled to some spousal excess. I already applied and have been approved. She will apply in a couple of months. My question is... When she fills out her application (the plan is to do this online) is there something special she needs to do to get that Spousal Excess?
I would not expect this to be automatic. The last time I saw the online process, it didn't have any checkboxes or details about filing for a spousal benefit. The best way is to generally file for benefits, and then call the SSA to turn on the spousal.
I am not sure that I understand in my scenario, what, if any spousal benefit might be there. I started taking ss at fra 3 years ago. My wife just started taking ss at age 65, plus 4 months, about 1 year and 4 months before fra. I would have typically been the higher earner, except for perhaps a year or two of MY last year while I was still working. Is the fact that she started taking her benefit early the reason for no spousal benefit?
Hi Devin,
Please clarify for me, have been reading a lot of confusing information. I'm waiting 6 months past the age of 70 (jan 2024) to start my SS benefit (have to income low for 2023 for wife's medical) I would expect a lump sum payment for the 6 months in Jan 2024 along with my monthly benefit.
Is there any penalty for doing this?
I think (I hope) you misstated something...slightly but importantly. At the 10 minute mark, you said. "Before a spousal excess can be paid, the higher earning spouse must file first." I believe you were intending to say that the higher earning spouse must file before the lower earning spouse is eligible to receive the spousal excess benefit, even if the lower earning spouse filed earlier than the higher earning spouse. It initially came across that the higher earning spouse must file before lower earning spouse files in order for the lower earning spouse to receive the spousal excess. I think you clarified that somewhat...but this stuff is confusing. I'm being kinda picky I suppose, but if someone misinterprets that, it could lead to some problems. Thanks for the video though! Good stuff!
Thanks for the video. I understand the Spouse Benefit much better but still have one point not so sure related to deem filing on one's own benefit and excess spousal benefit. I am the higher earner and is still working. If my wife files for SSB now at age 62, her own SSB will be reduced permanently based on age 62 reduction. And if I start my SSB later when she reaches age 65, would her excess spousal benefit be reduced based starting benefit at age 62 or at age 65 ?
Thank you for the video Devin. I have a general question. If the lower wage earner (spouse) applies at 62, but the higher wage earner continues to work for 5 more years and then finally files, does the spouse have to physically apply for the spousal benefit, or will it automatically kick in when the higher wager earner finally applies?
It is supposed to be automatic, but in reality it doesn't always happen this way. A phone call to the SSA at that time would be a good move.
@@DevinCarroll It's been years since she would have been eligible. I have recently gotten more involved and found it strange that their 2 benefit amounts are so different (main earner ~3500, spouse: ~850) She did file at 62, but still...
Devin. Wife is 6 years younger. I started collecting SS at full retirement age. 66 for me. One year later wife lost her job and filed at 62. Her FRA would have been 67 1/2. She is now at that age. However she is not receiving 1/2 of my benefits. Can she apply for spousal benefits at this time to adjust her SS amount?
Perhaps an odd question, but how does one go back and determine the current FRA amount (for Spousal Benefits) when current benefits are based on having filed at age 70?
I just spoke with 3 separate employees of the SS dept and got 3 different answers. My husband is retired and collecting SS. I plan on retiring this year before my full retirement age. What actual percentage of my husbands SS are my entitles to? Also, different answers as to can I earn more money some months and less money other months as long as I do not exceed the total amount I am allowed to annual earn while collecting SS? Some tell me they divide the year by 12 and I can not exceed that number even if other months are below what I can earn. PLEASE clear this up for me. THANK YOU!
Devin, I have seen a lot of info on this. Nobody talks about this! I am 67, I will wait till I am 70 to draw my SS. My wife was a teacher in the state of OHIO for 35 years, she did earn units for SS, she will only get a % of my Benefits if I die first based on her Gross Benefits. Which is the reason I am waiting till I reach 70 to increase her %. Thank You
the max she will get it is up to 50% from your 67 years amount. if you wait till 70 you postpone her opportunity to draw from you SS
Deciding when each of the spouses should retire is already difficult based on the calculations you show. When you add other complexities it becomes simply befuddling.
My situation is probably as complex as it gets and my experience so far is that most of those giving retirement advice are not skilled enough for my needs. The trickiest bit is the timing, to ensure that my spouse gets covered and doesn't fall in a loophole. Otherwise I fear that I might need to work until at least 74 just to ensure my spouse's medical coverage, and I truly do not look forward to that.
What is the best way to seek, find and filter truly experienced advisors to help me make both social security and medicare decisions?
I am fully assuming that I will need to pay some amount for someone's time, but I don't want to waste money for incomplete or inadequate advice.
Please have an example if high earner retires early say at 66 (instead of 67) and low earner will sometime retire after 5 years at 62. How the spousal benefit will be based on from high earner?
That last 4-5 minutes was exactly what I wanted to know. My wife is the lower wage earner and is 3 years older than me (61 to 58). I know she will file before me. Her rate is projected to be about $900/month while mine is projected to be around $3600/month. My question is "Will the spousal excess automatically kick in once I file?" Or will she have to go back and apply for it?
Excellent! Thanks for watching!
Does this apply to California certified domestic partners? My partner ( A Deven too) is 57 and I’m 63. Just started getting SS in July. Just trying to plan ahead.
Situation: Husband claimed SS at FRA in 2023 for $3,000. Wife will claim at age 62 in year 2030 and has no income or work history. Will the spousal support in year 2030 be based on the $3,000 of 7 years prior or will the $3,000 be adjusted for COLA since 7 years had already passed? Thanks.
I have been working on this for a couple of months. Myself and my wife are both currently 62. Her FRA at 67 and is approx. 1400 My FRA is approx. 3000 so she is going to go ahead and file now to draw a reduced benefit of about 1000 until I retire at 70 with a stepped up amount of approx. 4000 so at 70 she will get her reduced amount of 1000 plus the spousal adjustment of 1000 to make it half my Full benefit of 4000 at 70. This produced the maximum benefit using the Calculator that I found online. All depends upon what you use for your age at death and using some percentage (-24%) for a reduced benefit in 2034 when the SS system goes bankrupt....
@darryls8066 You may need to recheck your numbers. If your FRA benefit is $3,000, the maximum benefit your spouse will be entitled to (while you are alive) is $1,500. This is an amount equal to one half of your FRA benefit. The delayed filing increases to your benefit do not add increases to the spousal payment. It will add to a future survivor benefit in the event you pass away before she does.
@@DevinCarroll Also, it seems that if the low wage earner files at 62 (before their FRA) they will not only reduce their benefit but will NOT get 50% of the higher wage earner's benefit, no matter when the higher wage earner files. The low-wage earner has to wait to file until their own FRA if they want to get 50% of their spouse's FRA benefit. Is that correct? My take was that, in terms of spousal excess (is that what it's called?) the amount is decreased by filing early and not increased by waiting past your FRA.
So my wife is 23 months older and filed at 63&1/2. If I file FRA (66&8mo) she’ll get hers and whatever would have made hers half of mine will be slightly less because she starting receiving earlier than FRA.
Devin. In your example is it safe to say the lower earner can hold off until FRA and collect 200 from excess? Ie
560+200 = 760 would be her max possible.
Technically, yes. However, once she becomes entitled to benefits (meaning the higher earner files), the spousal excess will start automatically.
@@DevinCarroll interesting. Thanks !!! I was going to wait until she’s fra but I did entertain collecting her work SS early. Not anymore.
Among all this terrifically presented information is this: the lower earner, as a spouse that has NEVER worked (entitled to $0 as their own benefit), will receive the same spousal benefit as the working but lower earner that has contributed huge amounts of $ to SS over their career. How does this make sense...