1. OCG prints broken cards 2. TCG short prints them 3. Everyone pays through the nose to compete 4. TCG reprints then immediately bans them 5. Return to step one I don't know how TCG players can cope with being milked so blatantly.
@@ΓιάννηςΜεταξάς-ρ5φ Well Vendors who buy the set from Konami try to profit from the set, which they aren't cause card quality and playability of cards is worse than the price of the set. Then since all the "good cards" are high rarity and there is demand for it the Vendors or players who bought boxes have no other way of breaking even then selling the cards at that price. So first: If a product is 70$ per box then the Vendor needs to sell whatever he can get to break even (they usually go negative due to shipping and high buying cost from Konami). Second: If the cards in the set are important for the players (since its the best cards) everyone will buy them to be able to compete. Third: The best cards are the highest rarity and the sets are filled to the brim with bad cards making them scarce. Which all equals expensive... If Konami's sets weren't designed in a such consumer and player unfriendly way then everyone would rejoice. Trust me going for the Vendors is not the way.
The tcg sets the prices by making powerful cards, putting those cards at a certain rarity, and only having a few of those rarities in each box. Not to mention short prints. So while they don’t set the secondary market price directly, they make a box and set the price knowing, if someone wants to pull 3x of the chase card, they’ll need to spend $150 on product. And if there’s not much else that’s worthwhile in that box, that card alone can go to $40+ at those rates. Printing boxes with meta cards will require people to spend more to get them, as long as they ship out enough boxes, Konami cashes in all the same.
Really warms my heart seeing all the positive response to the reveal stuff we did. Almost all of it was on the fly/improved live, and for something that could have absolutely been received as "bad" cringe I'm really happy we hit "fun" cringe (which was absolutely the intent lol)
Not to be that guy but how? Do you exist outside of yugioh? Did u miss the discourse around a certain CEO being solemn striked for anti consumer practices?
@TheNewblade1 Compare this game to basically any other tcg and see what the player base says. Yes, all of them are trying to make money but this game is so greedy that I don't see how people are still willing to give their cash other than nostalgia and sunken cost philosophy.
What do you mean there's no rotation?? There literally IS rotation. I put money in my wallet, Komoney rotates it out of my wallet by forcing short print and limited rarity to enforce artificial scarcity.
@@troytheboy1985 no. If the ceiling is so high the floor is also high, which means more expensive decks. My local scene is full of Meta shit, am I just supposed to get stomped or play versus little timmy who just got his first blue eyes structure deck?
@@troytheboy1985 locals is mostly people practicing for regional while earning "free" prize support. 70% of players at locals are trying to win in a tournament setting.
TCG Konami definitely doesn't care, OCG Konami at least makes everything leagues more affordable than TCG. Reminder that the Mulcharmy cards were all printed as OCG.
Even as someone who went and built the Tenpai deck themselves, i found what the deck could do was extremely absurd. The hits to the deck were not at all surprising to me.
@@troytheboy1985 it does the same thing all meta decks do just in a different way. Instead of an unbreakable board, it breaks your board and kills you, same thing as multiple interuptions forcing your opponent to pass. Idk why Tenpai was hated its exactly the same kind of broken annoying strat that has dominated meta for years just with a unique twist... And to your point, everyone wants old yugioh back, where cards actually just do enough to be viable instead of every card being an extender. It's really dumb how every card has to have a search or a special summon to be viable, theres no nuance anymore and the only thing that gives decks identity anymore is their names.
@@justalyx7952 the funny thing is that going second is in a pretty good spot right now, charmies helped so much, tenpai was a really toxic deck in that sense because the best way to deal with the charmies tended to just be to pass turn and trade hand traps yourself, while paidra/genroku plus chund would force 3 to just stop the otk. You're not able to play lower to the ground against tenpai consistently since their push is so hard to stop, so it makes things like fuwalos that forces that kind of play style push the deck over the top.
The problem with tenpai is how 1 card insta kills you and you had infinite chundras. The deck has way more room for non engine so consistency was off the chain. I’d much rather be interrupted with hand traps and have a somewhat interactive game then to get interrupted, build part of a board just to get double board wiped and then die to a normal summon. There’s much less answers to that then decks that have to combo to do something. Tenpai is one of those decks that doesn’t have many extenders and I have no problem beating most of the time but the games I lose to it feel so absurd. They literally have everything and it feels like the hand has been sculpted.
Recently at my locals people have stopped going and i went on Wednesday from last week which is pokemon night, it was almost full, they invited me to play, i bought a build and battle and the guys gifted me cards to complete a deck, i never saw something like that on Yugioh, it was honestly so fun compared to Saturday (yugi day) where everyone is selling stuff and angry at each other
Last year killed my locals, this list finished off anyone that was left. I sold out cus there's no one to play with anymore so I'm just playing online now sigh...
Our YGO locals had been getting pretty thin and I ended up picking up Edison, then when that got thin too, tried out Pokemon. It doesn’t scratch the itch like YGO does, but it’s a nice change of pace. And pokemon are cool/cute, and the community is very nice and welcoming.
Banlist reveals at events is absolutely a selling point that’ll sell more tickets to said events and also increase livestream viewer count. There’s no real reason to not make it a staple (unless there just happen to be no events around when it’s time for the banlist).
This list really laid bare how bad of an investment playing meta is. As soon as the new toys come out, the deck you spent tons of money in will get murdered and it will not return until its irrelevant
This is the case for every single tcg? Theres not a single one where your expenive cards dont get rotated out every other couple of months. Even magic has only a couple of formats where you can play old cards but even in those formats multiple incrediblly expensive cards have been banned or rotated out via new product.
Snake eyes lasted nearly an entire year at its power level I don’t think that’s a good argument. Decks have much longer life spans now than they ever did
@@jimzh7669not nearly to this degree. One Piece's Yellow and Black decks still use cards from their debut sets. Navy and Big Mom Pirates are still seeing play to this day. Much of the new sets introduce different play patterns and support for older decks which can slowly creep the game, but many cards are generic enough to be fit into older decks.
This has been the way of Yugioh for years If your deck is meta, it will get hit eventually, either by bans, powercreep or errata Otherwise we would still have Kitkallos
tcg are such cowards when it comes to unlimiting cards you could put barrage and drident to 3 and they would do nothing. why is electrumite still banned? why is master peace still banned? master duel has literally half the tcg's banned cards and almost none of them have an impact in the format
6:57 Let´s talk about that (if you mention this later in the video sorry) but this was a dick move for budget players, Snake-Eyes was a great boost to a lot of decks like Fire King, Rescue Ace, Infernoid, Evol, etc... but it being a meta strategy left budget players in an awkward spot regarding prices, until Bonanza came out, then you could actually get your hands on those cards, just for them to ban the bridge between your deck and Snake-Eye in this list And well, people who got those cards after bonanza already used their budget, so is not like all of them can just go for a "dirt cheap" $70 USD Purrely deck like the one we saw on Jesse play in Broke Boy
One day TCG players would stop being pay bigs to Konami. When a company disrespects your intelligence, money and doesn't even bother justify their actions to you that you should just stop supporting them. Play MD everyone.
But that’s the problem; THATS STILL SUPPORTING THEM! You genuinely have to cut the every version of the game out of your life in order for them to get that. And I say this cause MD is my only way to play yugioh realistically, and I loved it when I played in the past. It’s now apparent Konami wants to sell product without thinking of the games health and I don’t want a part of that.
@@FellowIntello If TCG sales plummet and locals dry up, you really think Konami is going to not make any changes to the TCG because the Master Duel numbers are fine? I don't think so.
@@FellowIntello You can easily keep up with Master Duel for free, but you're not wrong. If you want real change, you can't keep putting your butt down in their seats, you have to refuse to participate.
One thing to consider that is always impossible for us to know is: future sets and support. If Konami knows there are cards coming that might be problematic with certain cards, or be able to revive old strategies, then a ban might now seem heavy-handed and only later be truly understood. That being said I doubt this is the case. Cardboard crack money printer go brrrr
From a casual player, it seems the hate comes in cycles. They'll piss you off, you stop for a while, then you come back. No real change will come, sadly. It's too big of a property and there will always be whales still keeping the company alive. Sorry guys. I know it's bleak and defeatist, but it's what I notice. Smash Bros players go through similar things. They can never organize events because nintendo just wants nothing to do with sweaty pro smash bros players. These guys still buy the games and all the DLC, so Nintendo just continues what they're doing because, hey, their biggest detractors still buys their products. What a horrible place for a hobby to be.
The reveal was awkward...people cheering with joy and im just sitting here thinking... the only reason you're cheering is because Konami put you in such a frustrating situation to where you're literally cheering for cards to go away only to be replaced by stronger cards. Idk felt weird to me
I understand people being sick of Snake-Eyes, but the OSS hit was not only unnecessary, it also killed more than just Snake-Eyes. If they wanted to hit snakes, Diabellstar and bonfire to 1 were better hits. You can just recycle the 1 Diabellstar with Wanted unless she's banished, which is almost guaranteed to happen this format with bystials being a staple in Maliss, and the Bonfire consistency hit also indirectly hits Ryzeal so they're not insanely busted. I played pure snake-eyes until the ash and poplar limits, then I did Snake-Eyes Azamina Fiendsmith, and let me tell you, the worst part of that deck to deal with wasn't Snake-Eyes, it was Fiendsmith. You can probably say I'm just biased, but I genuinely think OSS was the worst hit to make. Especially cause everyone thought the Tenpai hits would kill Tenpai and as you said, it's still getting tops and still more playable and just as consistent, while Fire King Snake Eyes is almost entirely unplayable and Snake-Eyes Azamina has no connection between the two through combos anymore, completely separating these two connected archetypes. I dunno, it just feels INCREDIBLY bad. But Snake-Eyes bad and deserves to die cause it's been around too long or something I guess.
If a card needs a bunch of other cards hit to be legal its not fine and deserves the ban look at kitkallos in master duel and tell me that's OK. Because that's what you are advocating
@@cuttlefish6839 But OSS doesn't fit that description. OSS ban was targeted at Snake-Eyes, other decks where 1 Level 1 FIRE Monster matter were hurt as a result.
Like i am playing orcust. Even last locals it took out dragon link, held its own against tenpai, 2-0s centurion and 2-0s primite pile too. The deck also costs like 20€ and half of it is shipping.
@@Veryfreshveryflourish24 That sounds fun. Aren't you playing Bystials in DL? Those sure are a bit more expensive with Druiswurm, since you brought up a price tag. Also which new support?
Important to mention that they could just work on new formats like commander etc.. and profit from different ways & Metas, instead of the "buy the next best product" unending cycle.
I mean they already do with duel links/rush duel, they've also got like 2 new game formats coming out next year. Think it was like yugioh dungeon monsters and then something else it's been awhile since I heard anything about it so idk.
@@cjyoung5635 The ideal thing would be to use your physical cards for something else, not to go to a completely independent collection to play something different. This also applies to physical Speed Duel and Rush Duel. If they aren't compatible with the cards you own already, that's already an entry barrier.
My hot take is that limit 1s do absolutely nothing. Unless it's a card that recurs itself like ratpier, "consistency" hits are a joke in the modern game. You can have three tenpai cards at 1, but because they're all 1 card starters, any generic searcher is still full combo. This was the same with snake eyes ash, and has been a pattern for a while. The deck can still make full power boards, they just need to find the cards. And with how deep the game is with generic support to every concept, it's never been hard to find cards that search the limited cards. They need to be brave and fully ban problem cards. No more dancing around the problem.
I hate consistency hits too. Just limit power or recursion and even accessibility (looking at your closed moon). It just feels so stacky when you find the out for every card they throw and the last card in their hand is yet another 1 card starter or extender and you just wasted all your interaction
It's infuriating that Konami straight up decides behind the scenes "this one or two decks WILL be the meta, anything else that even remotely competes will be hit to irrelevance. I will forever be angry Purrely got entirely killed super fast, but Ishizu-Tear and Kashtira were allowed to run rampant for so long. Putting Purrely cards to 2 is functionally the same as putting any other deck's main combo pieces to 1. And Purrely has counterplay: it typically ends on a single towers, while relying on a field spell and a continuous spell for recovery if the towers is removed, and the towers stops being a towers the second it has 4 or less materials on it. Meanwhile, Ishizu-Tear had literally zero counterplay (the ONLY counterplay was playing the mirror) and could full combo turn 0, and Kashtira could lock 9 zones by your first standby while also having a Macro Cosmos out. What they should do is: when new decks come out and the meta shifts, they should un-hit decks that were hit in the previous meta or two, to let them compete with the new decks. As in, have the new meta decks exist at full power and compete appropriately, but also unhit prior decks to allow them to also compete. Imagine formats where there's more than one or two viable top decks. Imagine if we had full power Purrely, and more meaningful unhits to Zoodiac, a less kneecapped Snake-Eyes, and a slightly less dead Ishizu-Tear into the current format. Wider variety of viable decks is objectively good for the game - retains older players who may not like the current meta decks, encourages newer players with more choice, reduced feelsbad when your pet deck got powercrept the next format and/or got kneecapped and never got time in the spotlight.
Seeing Tenpai get cooked in the finals against the new deck and then get cooked on the banlist to cheers was just awful. Literally kicking a dead horse
I'm so frustrated about how many players complain about Tenpai and Snake Eyes being hit. Snake Eyes has been complained about for years, Tenpai was a deck people hated from the get-go (for good reason) and neither of them are especially fair or fun to play against. Now people who complained forever bought into these strategies they hated because they got cheaper and are complaining that they're getting hit. If you're playing a deck that you complained about forever, you're part of the problem! Regardless of price, these are decks that should be hit because they facilitate an unfun and toxic playstyle! You've hated these decks yourself, don't whine about them getting hit!
It's funny how having a better product would literally benefit everyone involved and will greatly reduce the severity of the issues with the only con that would be less immediate, upfront return a.k.a. we're not getting anything fixed.
My problem here is that if they would have hit maliss and ryzeal, then the complain would have been: "they waited for everyone to buy them and then instantly kill it after the event". This community would never be happy and always complain no matter what.
I mean you can hit the non-Maliss and non-Ryzeal related cards in said decks. For example why is Bonfire still at 3, why is Dimension Shifter still around, or the Kashtria cards which Maliss plays, why not hit generic Rank 4's like Evilswarm Exciton Knight or Abyss Dweller, why not hit I:P or S:P. There were ways to hit decks indirectly by dealing with the generic stuff.
Ryzeal will get hit but i dunno about Maliss is the second best deck but is still far from Ryzeal also the deck does nothing unfair, i see it similar to cases like Swordsoul, Eldlic or Labrynth good but fair decks, but even that i like Maliss and play it Shifter needs to go.
@@calumbishop7082 Hitting IP and SP just hurts every deck. This is the problem with a lot of generic hits, you really shouldnt hit them unless you're doing so out of principle. Abyss Dweller needs to go though, its just another floodgate andy.
So glad I quit buying physical cards. I could not fathom spending the amount of money the Diabellstar Snake Eyes deck costed just to have it gone within a year. Games with official rotation let their decks live longer, and leave them alone even when they get power creeped.
@@lafaetah that’s a possibility since Splash Mage is the butter of most link combos. If you think about it, Maliss is literally Mathmech since they have the same end board.
I've been thinking this too cause it's not like Ryzeal is as broken as tenpai yubel or snake eyes it's just not worth playing the other decks because their key engine prices are dead
My theory is that they purposely didnt semi limit branded fusion to sell crossover breakers more. They bothered hitting jowgen which is why i came to this conclusion.
You're way too late to complain. The foundation of modern YGO management has been broken for years. They've stuck to this "late banlist" approach for so long that anyone who couldn't tolerate it left ages ago. The only players still around are those who, knowingly or not, have accepted-or even supported-this system. Honestly, even if the banlist feels unbalanced, most people either accept it or take advantage of it. Let’s be real-some players only have fun when there’s an overpowered deck to carry them. And because Konami’s been running things like this forever, there are tons of players like that now. They’ll happily spend money on broken cards, no matter how expensive, just so they can win.
yeah I stopped ever considering touching any cards close to competitive viability since 2019 when the deck i played at the time got a card collaterally banned and the sheer fool i felt liek for having bought a card that was now unusable made me sewar of off anything that could ever be remotely theoretically maybe banned indirectly fro any reason (and I still missed the mark recently with snake-eyes getting linkuriboh banned which made me really angry at them in a way hadn't been since back then). this best deck rotation thing has been here forever, it's weird that people have an issue with it now suddenly. Me as someon who had already stopped ever touching their best deck rotation for years really jst saw this banlist for what it was always seen as before "hey one of the annoying op decks of the op deck rotation is dead, one less headache to worry about!"
.....but this is what they do every year.....since launch. Now granted, they didn't have a great concept of where they were going back in Metal Raiders where they would just put out whatever and it was cool because it was new and the art was good. But still, they've had almost the same amount of time as MTG and Pokemon to figure out a different loop and RND, and they still mess it up. It always surprised me that a company who doesn't shy away from reprinting cards wouldn't just reprint cards and make old decks viable. Hell, the rules and text on the physical cards are subject to change. Why not just retcon Legend Of Blue-Eyes and go wild? Then again, Konami is mostly known for their gambling, so this is just waffling for the sake of it. Grumpy old men on the internet lol.
OSS doesn't really need the ban, farfa is correct. This was a next set block profit push, konami does not like it when there are more than 4 decks topping.
13:04 yeah even better... itll be a secret rare or short printed. Then you have to pay even more for it. Then gets banned once the reprint comes. Hence the entire video point getting "rotated" out.
i feel like ash would've been a better hit than sinful spoils tbh if ANYTHING needed another hit, cause it also just makes diabelstar feel not worth running anymore
Didn’t have to go so far back for an example. AGOV format was killed on the list right before Snake-Eyes release. Imagine if we had full power Race, Unchained and Purrely at least at the start of the next format. Would’ve made snake format way less exhausting.
My frustration with yugioh is we keep having formats with one super dominant deck that makes it really unfun to play. Instead of making the new stuff so much better than the rest if they could keep the level similar to the others or boost up other decks to help them compete that is the best way. But Konami greed can't hav that of course
I agree with Bonfire to 1 honestly Idk im of the opinion that all ROTA style cards should be at 1 for equality sake ROTA, Bonfire, Tenki etc I just dont see why decks should be allowed THAT much consistency
If the types were made equally that might be the way but realistically they're not. The searchers aren't made equally either. Pyro has 80 cards in the entire pool that Bonfire can search, leaving aside the fact that less than two dozen of them have been particularly good at any point and most of them were printed in the last year or so. Bonfire is also HOPT. Warrior has 524 cards in the game that ROTA can search, many MANY more of which have been relevant, and ROTA predates OPT clauses so multiple copies could be resolved in the same turn. Tenki has 128 valid targets, more of which are viable than with bonfire but far less are viable than with ROTA. Tenki is also much more vulnerable to disruption and must stay on the field to resolve as a continuous spell and also has HOPT.
I like the hits to snake-eyes but they really should have taken poplar, ash and linkuriboh off the list with the ban of original because it is now just very inconsistant. I liked the deck from the start as a backrow cloggling monster control strategy and would have loved to see how it evolved with black witch (with her recursion and control) without the crazy consistancy of original
So regardless of personal feelings towards Tenpai, it was that was a good option for people not looking to spend $1200 on a deck. If I see that and invest in it, I should have longer with a deck I built and want to play than 7 months. Nerfing it is fine, necessary tbh, but murdering after it was the most accessible option for competitive players on a budget is morally wrong.
Being just really honest, Konami has really been pretty bad when it comes to their banlist and approach to the game that made me just a permanent yu-gi-oh viewer/youtube frog than an actual player. It's just super exhausting to put a lot of investment into the game for a deck that will only be competitive for about a year before its either completely not competitive viable anymore or just naturally power crept out which on paper is fine, but what about the investment? Guess I gotta do it again with the new product that surely wont be short-printed or just naturally super expensive. It's really old man, I don't think I'll ever come back to being a actual player again.
People aren't acknowledging enough how the banlist changes were probably made before the YCS even started so the results had no influence on said changes. Snake-eyes won a YCS a month ago and won the one before that. You might not like it, you my think it was unnecessary, but it makes sense in the time period that these change were made.
you act as if the ocg didn't exist. Every decent player knew the two new decks were better than anything else, and konami knew as well. They didn't make the ryuge's high rarity like they did the rank 4s pretending the designers have no clue as to how strong the incredibly pushed shit they release is, months after it started seeing play is insane
Ngl as someone who quit yugioh alongside many others its so funny seeing yugioh players get angry, continue their exact same "consume more powercreeped slop, complain when deck gets hit on the banlist, hate on Konami, repeat" behaviour. If the TCG pisses you off that much, either move permanently to Master Duel and only collect cards because you like having shiny cardboard or quit the game altogether and go play a healthier, more fun game, stop supporting Konami's abusive behaviour. If you keep buying expensive meta cards then complaining when they get banned only to buy the next set of overpowered, overpriced pieces of shiny cardboard, you are quite literally the entire problem.
I love the video and your main point is one I been talking about since this list. Anyone remember when shavara was put to 1 as we got the fire decks and legit next format 0 people were on unchained. All they did was remove a deck that would of been at most rogue and force people who enjoyed unchained to change decks actually this is one thing I have enjoyed about master duel because of rarity system they are much less likely to outright kill a deck and actually nerf them correctly so they arent broken but playable. A great example is spright elf that card has been banned in the TCG for how long now yet had no impact outside of spright and live twin spright decks in the last 2 years unchained isnt all kinds of hit in master duel and you never see the deck its proof they just do this for money why ban OSS it was hardly even the problem card of the strategy if anything i would say promethean enabling anything you wanna do was way more broken as a completely generic link 3
Megatins need to be released earlier and months away from the fall Banlist season. That’s around the time the start slapping the wrist of the current decks getting those reprints
Banlist should be only for floodgates and degenerate ftk cards(No puppet, puppet its pretty difficult and inconsistent). Most old brokend cards with a HOPT line are fine.
I gotta disagree with the common take about Snake-eyes with this banlist. I think snake-eyes not performing well has a lot more to do with Ryzeal and Maliss being new and seeing representation as apposed to snake-eyes not performing because it isn’t as strong. We all had enough of SE and tenpai too so these changes are absolutely welcome
I'm just happy the boys are back in town . thank you Dragon rulers. On the downside , management of this game is horrendous and 'uncreative' . Every year it's the same shit two new decks and then it gets banned and then the next two new decks etc. It's lazy, greedy. If every other archetype had a 'poplar' card then It would be fair game but that's only reserved for 2 ' new products ' a year ,
Konami when inventing the ban list: "Oh, damn. These cards recently released are destroying the game! We got to ban the problem cards." Konami now: "Oh damn. These cards recently released are destroying the game! Let them run wild for 8 months and then we'll kill the deck when the hype has died down."
yes, then thing that i really dont understand is konamy reprinting a card and then banning it weeks later. You want people to buy your product or not??? how can people give you money if they dont trust you? i think konamy should just be clear and say "from this point forward we are doing the following project: sell a set. reprint its cards 6 months after. and ban it 1 year after". this way people at least know that, if they want to invest, they have 1 year to do so. otherwise i fear people will just NOT buy the product at all, fearing it might get banned weeks later.
Just to let you know: I never complained about Snake-Eye. In fact, I felt that the Deck was tame while cards like I:P were problematic (also, Requiem should flat-out just not exist. It makes Knightmare Mermaid look tame in comparison). I never liked the banlist philosophy. In fact, I really dislike it. I will say with confidence though that Ryzeal is probably the most fair Tier 1 Deck in history simply due to their susceptibility to Boardbreakers like Dark Ruler and Book of Eclipse while not having anything inherently oppressive to it. Afaik, their endboards don't really have any protection against S/T, so I hope that the format will lean more into boardbreaking S/Ts.
I personally noted this "push new sets at all costs, kill budget decks" thing when they banned Mathmech Circular. It wasn't just because people didn't like playing against cyberse combo, it also because after circular went to 1, the deck hardlost to handtraps and wasn't even topping..... but. because the price of mathmech went down, it was an option for budget players and Konami couldn't have that, they needed the mathmech people (or the people playing rogue link decks that needed a mathmech engine, salad, ignister, libro, etc.) to spend 4-digits on wanted engnes. Air Lifter to 1 was sinister for similar reasons, 1 air lifter meant rescue-ace NEEDED Diabellestar
Honestly, people complain about the banlist, but the solution is really simple: Play for fun, not to be a meta NPC waiting for the next best tier list to tell you what to play. When you buy a meta deck, it's like drinking some energy boost. You're buying results for a short period, then you losing your efficiency long term. They are gonna release the next best deck at some point and force you to buy it. Their business plan is simple: Release next best deck -> make it dominate so everyone buys it -> nerf it ->release next best deck. Ya'll are just too stupid and choose to continue in this loop. Break the cycle, grow some personality and go play something you actually like for once :)
I also see the OSS hit as future proofing. Now any deck that has a playable level 1 fire can’t use the Azamina engine to find their engine while also establishing an omni under Nibiru. Tenpai also deserves no tears with how easily that deck can rob games with the right hands. Easily the least interactive deck in the format. Shifter and D Barrier obviously should’ve been gone years ago, a Prosperity ban like in MD would’ve been very much deserved with how it lets you dig for side deck cards so easily, and a Fiendsmith engine hit like Caesar banned also probably should’ve happened, but Tenpai is such a fundamentally awful deck for the game and OSS has been a known problem for such a long time that the hits were deserved. It’s also hard to say how much of Anaheim’s results were due to new toy syndrome. I don’t think there’s a single deck out there that can play through a full Yubel board without a ton of assistance from non-engine.
it is also very shitty from them because I'm sure some asshole at Konami HQ probably pointed out "OSS wasn't in bonanza so it is fair ban it now :)"
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I always found it odd that some players cheered for the 'kill the deck' banlist. How is it a good thing when a $1,000 deck turns into worthless cardboard overnight?
It has always been worthless cardboard tho, I do not understand why people still see TCGs as Stocks, they are not stocks they are cards for a expensive game that doesn't care about your economy.
Look, we have to except that the TCG, is a niche product, Konami makes way more money from Master Duel and Duel Links than it does with the physical card game. Konami is trying to squeeze as much money as possible out physical game as a side thing. Physical Yu-Gi-Oh is not for general audiences anymore, its for a niche audience of people willing to spend fortune on physical cardboard.
I don't buy Yugioh cards because they're expensive. I gladly buy reprints because good cards are affordable. The good cards get banned soon after so now I don't bother buying anything
Konami is just a weird company man. They can absolutely let a deck shine to move product while gradually bringing something like Ryzeal(spelling?) back in line with small adjustments and play testing. Not to mention keeping massively unpopular cards like Shifter around (I don’t care how much of a necessary evil it is) instead of just banning them outright for the health of the game.
Health of the game bro? Shifter ain't shit, Tenpai is in the game, that's literally a handtrap turbo deck with no interaction. Or what? Gonna cry about Ritual Beasts that require the player to be a god to do the same thing better decks do, or even Floowandereeze 😂😂
Ok, so after watching this video i understand where you are coming from. I’ve made so many accounts in master duel because I was getting rekted by tenpie, snake-eyes, yubel, etc. I learned that” if I can’t beat ‘em join ‘em,” and still it’s not a cake walk. I play snake-eye with evol or salamangreats. But this whole ban list should’ve been done sooner or like farts said ban bonfire. I’m not a competitive player at all btw I treat this game like chess and strategy based games. My first love of this game originally cubics and I can’t play it without getting squashed. It’s sickening that I can’t play I don’t have the money to buy something better
"It only had 1 top" is a pretty ignorant take for a deck that forced players to build their decks in a way that still respected SE so you dont just lose to it. Add to it the fatigue of playing SE for 10 months and players wanting to play something else, and you should realise that you dont want to have SE still playable because it would come back in force once the new toy hype died down.
Wow Farfa speaking without a gun pointing at his back?! SE: absolute BS. There was no reason to disconnect SE from Diabellstar. Players waited 10 fire to be good again and now it fell back into oblivion. I dont mean the engine didnt deserve some further hit (like ban Flamberge?), but didn't deserve a slaughter either. Tenpai: that's more controversial. The deck was definitely not bad and not even rogue as much as we wanted to cope on it. It consistently carved top spots, even at the high end. And it was miserable to play against if you didn't get strong floodgates (Dbarrier most notably). On the other hand it was a pretty budget, good and simple to get a grasp on deck. Thus popular. On a competitive prospective they did well slaughtering it, as a market move I dont think so. Most of the tcgs have some gimmicky bs hanging around to give a chance of winning to everybody. Tenpai was stupidly overpowered tho. Branded: huh? Why? And why now?! And... Why not Sanctifire? Do they know theoretically they could still bring some floodgates with it instead of Jowgen and Nightmare right? Oh well. Overall that's nothing new. After every banlist we gather the circle jerk of ppl complaining about Konami's predatory practices. Nothing will really change until whales stop keeping the beast alive.
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1. OCG prints broken cards
2. TCG short prints them
3. Everyone pays through the nose to compete
4. TCG reprints then immediately bans them
5. Return to step one
I don't know how TCG players can cope with being milked so blatantly.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr my question is who sets the TCG prices, it can't be konami right? Y'all are basically getting willingly scalped atp
@@ΓιάννηςΜεταξάς-ρ5φ Well Vendors who buy the set from Konami try to profit from the set, which they aren't cause card quality and playability of cards is worse than the price of the set. Then since all the "good cards" are high rarity and there is demand for it the Vendors or players who bought boxes have no other way of breaking even then selling the cards at that price.
So first:
If a product is 70$ per box then the Vendor needs to sell whatever he can get to break even (they usually go negative due to shipping and high buying cost from Konami).
Second:
If the cards in the set are important for the players (since its the best cards) everyone will buy them to be able to compete.
Third:
The best cards are the highest rarity and the sets are filled to the brim with bad cards making them scarce.
Which all equals expensive...
If Konami's sets weren't designed in a such consumer and player unfriendly way then everyone would rejoice. Trust me going for the Vendors is not the way.
The tcg sets the prices by making powerful cards, putting those cards at a certain rarity, and only having a few of those rarities in each box. Not to mention short prints. So while they don’t set the secondary market price directly, they make a box and set the price knowing, if someone wants to pull 3x of the chase card, they’ll need to spend $150 on product. And if there’s not much else that’s worthwhile in that box, that card alone can go to $40+ at those rates. Printing boxes with meta cards will require people to spend more to get them, as long as they ship out enough boxes, Konami cashes in all the same.
Tenpai core was like max 40$
@@ΓιάννηςΜεταξάς-ρ5φ might not so expensive if they released some card in multiple rarity in same box
That’s my secret Farfa; I’m always angry.
I’m just a generational hater
@@PlumpsHubriswhat do generations have to do with it?
Then ygo is your game
Came here to comment this and then saw your comment at the very top lol
@@daedalus5253 different generations of yugioh MR variations
Really warms my heart seeing all the positive response to the reveal stuff we did. Almost all of it was on the fly/improved live, and for something that could have absolutely been received as "bad" cringe I'm really happy we hit "fun" cringe (which was absolutely the intent lol)
Def fun to watch
You guys did great! It's nice to see someone having fun with stuff like this. You really feel the heart put into it, thank you :D
You guys are the goats do it again
It boggles my mind how anticonsumer Konami is and still get consumer support.
Not to be that guy but how? Do you exist outside of yugioh? Did u miss the discourse around a certain CEO being solemn striked for anti consumer practices?
Apple, Amazon, CityB, Microsoft, Ubisoft, Bethesda, Blizzard, Lambo, Ferrari, Sony... all big coorps are anticonsumer if you didnt realise
Crying on the internet while still consuming Yu-Gi-Oh content is supporting the game whether you want to admit that or not.
@@Gods-Shepherds watching farfa is not the same as purchasing Konami's product
@TheNewblade1 Compare this game to basically any other tcg and see what the player base says. Yes, all of them are trying to make money but this game is so greedy that I don't see how people are still willing to give their cash other than nostalgia and sunken cost philosophy.
What do you mean there's no rotation??
There literally IS rotation. I put money in my wallet, Komoney rotates it out of my wallet by forcing short print and limited rarity to enforce artificial scarcity.
7:09 you don't NEED to play them in any deck. You need them to TOP events.
Yes and thats bad, goes against the spirit of the game.
@@troytheboy1985 no. But the price is what stops me. If whole Meta decks would cost as much as the ocg ones do I'd probably go though.
@@troytheboy1985 no. If the ceiling is so high the floor is also high, which means more expensive decks. My local scene is full of Meta shit, am I just supposed to get stomped or play versus little timmy who just got his first blue eyes structure deck?
When people say “play an event” they also mean “and not lose instantly”.
@@troytheboy1985 locals is mostly people practicing for regional while earning "free" prize support. 70% of players at locals are trying to win in a tournament setting.
I wonder if they will keep doing banlist reveals at events even in case people start booing them for some decisions
NO VABBÈ MA CHE MULTIVERSO INCREDIBILE È QUESTO
I didn't expect to see the #1 funger expert on a farfa video, what a crossover.
Il mio king FRAPOLLOOOOOO
Btw yeah, I can easily see them going "Uh actually, let's not do that again" if they start doing very unpopular stuff
Eyo!?
Mr. Frapollo I didn't expected to see you here.
What the, FRAPOLLO in my ygo video?? Used to watch your black souls videos
Remember that Konami doesn’t care about you, they only care about money, that’s why I don’t play TCG
TCG Konami definitely doesn't care, OCG Konami at least makes everything leagues more affordable than TCG. Reminder that the Mulcharmy cards were all printed as OCG.
Even as someone who went and built the Tenpai deck themselves, i found what the deck could do was extremely absurd. The hits to the deck were not at all surprising to me.
@@troytheboy1985 it does the same thing all meta decks do just in a different way. Instead of an unbreakable board, it breaks your board and kills you, same thing as multiple interuptions forcing your opponent to pass. Idk why Tenpai was hated its exactly the same kind of broken annoying strat that has dominated meta for years just with a unique twist... And to your point, everyone wants old yugioh back, where cards actually just do enough to be viable instead of every card being an extender. It's really dumb how every card has to have a search or a special summon to be viable, theres no nuance anymore and the only thing that gives decks identity anymore is their names.
@@justalyx7952 the funny thing is that going second is in a pretty good spot right now, charmies helped so much, tenpai was a really toxic deck in that sense because the best way to deal with the charmies tended to just be to pass turn and trade hand traps yourself, while paidra/genroku plus chund would force 3 to just stop the otk. You're not able to play lower to the ground against tenpai consistently since their push is so hard to stop, so it makes things like fuwalos that forces that kind of play style push the deck over the top.
The problem with tenpai is how 1 card insta kills you and you had infinite chundras.
The deck has way more room for non engine so consistency was off the chain.
I’d much rather be interrupted with hand traps and have a somewhat interactive game then to get interrupted, build part of a board just to get double board wiped and then die to a normal summon. There’s much less answers to that then decks that have to combo to do something.
Tenpai is one of those decks that doesn’t have many extenders and I have no problem beating most of the time but the games I lose to it feel so absurd. They literally have everything and it feels like the hand has been sculpted.
Recently at my locals people have stopped going and i went on Wednesday from last week which is pokemon night, it was almost full, they invited me to play, i bought a build and battle and the guys gifted me cards to complete a deck, i never saw something like that on Yugioh, it was honestly so fun compared to Saturday (yugi day) where everyone is selling stuff and angry at each other
Last year killed my locals, this list finished off anyone that was left. I sold out cus there's no one to play with anymore so I'm just playing online now sigh...
Pokemon is more fun than yugioh anyways. It's like playing old school yugioh before hand traps ruined the game
Our YGO locals had been getting pretty thin and I ended up picking up Edison, then when that got thin too, tried out Pokemon. It doesn’t scratch the itch like YGO does, but it’s a nice change of pace. And pokemon are cool/cute, and the community is very nice and welcoming.
@@cawrhy I agree, the pokemon community seems to be really wholesome (at least so far)
@@cawrhy Yeah I think that's where ill end up as well.
You act like Konami hasn't always been like this in just about anything they stick their grubby hands into.
Banlist reveals at events is absolutely a selling point that’ll sell more tickets to said events and also increase livestream viewer count. There’s no real reason to not make it a staple (unless there just happen to be no events around when it’s time for the banlist).
This list really laid bare how bad of an investment playing meta is. As soon as the new toys come out, the deck you spent tons of money in will get murdered and it will not return until its irrelevant
This is the case for every single tcg? Theres not a single one where your expenive cards dont get rotated out every other couple of months. Even magic has only a couple of formats where you can play old cards but even in those formats multiple incrediblly expensive cards have been banned or rotated out via new product.
yes but yugioh meta cards cost ten times as much as any other game so this hits harder here
This has been that way for decades how are people just figuring it out now.
Yu gi oh players are really slow I guess
Snake eyes lasted nearly an entire year at its power level I don’t think that’s a good argument. Decks have much longer life spans now than they ever did
@@jimzh7669not nearly to this degree. One Piece's Yellow and Black decks still use cards from their debut sets. Navy and Big Mom Pirates are still seeing play to this day. Much of the new sets introduce different play patterns and support for older decks which can slowly creep the game, but many cards are generic enough to be fit into older decks.
This has been the way of Yugioh for years
If your deck is meta, it will get hit eventually, either by bans, powercreep or errata
Otherwise we would still have Kitkallos
Free kit pls
🥲
There's no way Tenpai is dead. We still have Masked Dragon and UFO Turtle
Cope
tcg are such cowards when it comes to unlimiting cards
you could put barrage and drident to 3 and they would do nothing. why is electrumite still banned? why is master peace still banned? master duel has literally half the tcg's banned cards and almost none of them have an impact in the format
Yeah I want Electrumite, Master Plan and Isolde back. Even more than these. At least errata Isolde to make her archetype or type specific.
This video could have been made in any period of time and the title would still make sense.
Yugioh players angry? Must be a day that ends in y.
Did you watch the video? You're saying it as if it's unjustified anger
Konami having anti consumer practices and weird nerds defending them? Must be a day that ends in y.
@@TheNewblade1 How much longer will you whine and complain before you stop playing the game? Or do you get your rocks off crying on the internet?
@@TheNewblade1 konami never cared, never. Thats what they are
Thank goodness my days end in g. I'm still mad tho
the banlist favors though who pay, vs those who play.
6:57
Let´s talk about that (if you mention this later in the video sorry) but this was a dick move for budget players, Snake-Eyes was a great boost to a lot of decks like Fire King, Rescue Ace, Infernoid, Evol, etc... but it being a meta strategy left budget players in an awkward spot regarding prices, until Bonanza came out, then you could actually get your hands on those cards, just for them to ban the bridge between your deck and Snake-Eye in this list
And well, people who got those cards after bonanza already used their budget, so is not like all of them can just go for a "dirt cheap" $70 USD Purrely deck like the one we saw on Jesse play in Broke Boy
Ok, yeah. my first point does end up being addressed in the video
One day TCG players would stop being pay bigs to Konami. When a company disrespects your intelligence, money and doesn't even bother justify their actions to you that you should just stop supporting them. Play MD everyone.
But that’s the problem; THATS STILL SUPPORTING THEM!
You genuinely have to cut the every version of the game out of your life in order for them to get that.
And I say this cause MD is my only way to play yugioh realistically, and I loved it when I played in the past. It’s now apparent Konami wants to sell product without thinking of the games health and I don’t want a part of that.
@@FellowIntello If TCG sales plummet and locals dry up, you really think Konami is going to not make any changes to the TCG because the Master Duel numbers are fine? I don't think so.
@@FellowIntellotcg and masterduel are operated by completely different parts of the company
@@FellowIntello You can easily keep up with Master Duel for free, but you're not wrong. If you want real change, you can't keep putting your butt down in their seats, you have to refuse to participate.
You could always print cards
One thing to consider that is always impossible for us to know is: future sets and support. If Konami knows there are cards coming that might be problematic with certain cards, or be able to revive old strategies, then a ban might now seem heavy-handed and only later be truly understood.
That being said I doubt this is the case. Cardboard crack money printer go brrrr
From a casual player, it seems the hate comes in cycles. They'll piss you off, you stop for a while, then you come back. No real change will come, sadly. It's too big of a property and there will always be whales still keeping the company alive. Sorry guys. I know it's bleak and defeatist, but it's what I notice. Smash Bros players go through similar things. They can never organize events because nintendo just wants nothing to do with sweaty pro smash bros players. These guys still buy the games and all the DLC, so Nintendo just continues what they're doing because, hey, their biggest detractors still buys their products.
What a horrible place for a hobby to be.
The reveal was awkward...people cheering with joy and im just sitting here thinking... the only reason you're cheering is because Konami put you in such a frustrating situation to where you're literally cheering for cards to go away only to be replaced by stronger cards. Idk felt weird to me
Cuz you’re a weirdo who isn’t happy with anything
why is farfa rocking superman hair
Such a singular powerful curly cue
I understand people being sick of Snake-Eyes, but the OSS hit was not only unnecessary, it also killed more than just Snake-Eyes. If they wanted to hit snakes, Diabellstar and bonfire to 1 were better hits. You can just recycle the 1 Diabellstar with Wanted unless she's banished, which is almost guaranteed to happen this format with bystials being a staple in Maliss, and the Bonfire consistency hit also indirectly hits Ryzeal so they're not insanely busted. I played pure snake-eyes until the ash and poplar limits, then I did Snake-Eyes Azamina Fiendsmith, and let me tell you, the worst part of that deck to deal with wasn't Snake-Eyes, it was Fiendsmith. You can probably say I'm just biased, but I genuinely think OSS was the worst hit to make.
Especially cause everyone thought the Tenpai hits would kill Tenpai and as you said, it's still getting tops and still more playable and just as consistent, while Fire King Snake Eyes is almost entirely unplayable and Snake-Eyes Azamina has no connection between the two through combos anymore, completely separating these two connected archetypes. I dunno, it just feels INCREDIBLY bad. But Snake-Eyes bad and deserves to die cause it's been around too long or something I guess.
I paused right before farfa made the same point about bonfire, that's my contentman, he GETS it
If a card needs a bunch of other cards hit to be legal its not fine and deserves the ban look at kitkallos in master duel and tell me that's OK. Because that's what you are advocating
Bruh just ban Flamberge
@@cuttlefish6839 But OSS doesn't fit that description. OSS ban was targeted at Snake-Eyes, other decks where 1 Level 1 FIRE Monster matter were hurt as a result.
@@cuttlefish6839you tear haters REALLY need a new hobby. Deck isn't hardly doing shit in MD and y'all STILL BITCH.
This reminds me of the time komani reprinted the whole zoodiac core only to be hit on the banlist the next week
When are they not
This is why i always only shill for locals level rogue decks. Financially comfortable and dont get shot by banlist.
What do you play, that can potentially keep up with the rest?
The new supoort will also improve it plenty
Like i am playing orcust.
Even last locals it took out dragon link, held its own against tenpai, 2-0s centurion and 2-0s primite pile too.
The deck also costs like 20€ and half of it is shipping.
@@Veryfreshveryflourish24 That sounds fun. Aren't you playing Bystials in DL? Those sure are a bit more expensive with Druiswurm, since you brought up a price tag. Also which new support?
Man I'm glad i broke my addiction to the cardboard and just enjoy the game from its edges.
You're a blessed person.
“They only want to sell the new set”
Grown man finally figured out how capitalism works
Important to mention that they could just work on new formats like commander etc.. and profit from different ways & Metas, instead of the "buy the next best product" unending cycle.
I mean they already do with duel links/rush duel, they've also got like 2 new game formats coming out next year.
Think it was like yugioh dungeon monsters and then something else it's been awhile since I heard anything about it so idk.
@@cjyoung5635 The ideal thing would be to use your physical cards for something else, not to go to a completely independent collection to play something different. This also applies to physical Speed Duel and Rush Duel. If they aren't compatible with the cards you own already, that's already an entry barrier.
My hot take is that limit 1s do absolutely nothing.
Unless it's a card that recurs itself like ratpier, "consistency" hits are a joke in the modern game. You can have three tenpai cards at 1, but because they're all 1 card starters, any generic searcher is still full combo.
This was the same with snake eyes ash, and has been a pattern for a while. The deck can still make full power boards, they just need to find the cards.
And with how deep the game is with generic support to every concept, it's never been hard to find cards that search the limited cards.
They need to be brave and fully ban problem cards. No more dancing around the problem.
I hate consistency hits too. Just limit power or recursion and even accessibility (looking at your closed moon). It just feels so stacky when you find the out for every card they throw and the last card in their hand is yet another 1 card starter or extender and you just wasted all your interaction
It's infuriating that Konami straight up decides behind the scenes "this one or two decks WILL be the meta, anything else that even remotely competes will be hit to irrelevance.
I will forever be angry Purrely got entirely killed super fast, but Ishizu-Tear and Kashtira were allowed to run rampant for so long. Putting Purrely cards to 2 is functionally the same as putting any other deck's main combo pieces to 1. And Purrely has counterplay: it typically ends on a single towers, while relying on a field spell and a continuous spell for recovery if the towers is removed, and the towers stops being a towers the second it has 4 or less materials on it. Meanwhile, Ishizu-Tear had literally zero counterplay (the ONLY counterplay was playing the mirror) and could full combo turn 0, and Kashtira could lock 9 zones by your first standby while also having a Macro Cosmos out.
What they should do is: when new decks come out and the meta shifts, they should un-hit decks that were hit in the previous meta or two, to let them compete with the new decks. As in, have the new meta decks exist at full power and compete appropriately, but also unhit prior decks to allow them to also compete. Imagine formats where there's more than one or two viable top decks. Imagine if we had full power Purrely, and more meaningful unhits to Zoodiac, a less kneecapped Snake-Eyes, and a slightly less dead Ishizu-Tear into the current format.
Wider variety of viable decks is objectively good for the game - retains older players who may not like the current meta decks, encourages newer players with more choice, reduced feelsbad when your pet deck got powercrept the next format and/or got kneecapped and never got time in the spotlight.
Seeing Tenpai get cooked in the finals against the new deck and then get cooked on the banlist to cheers was just awful. Literally kicking a dead horse
I'm so frustrated about how many players complain about Tenpai and Snake Eyes being hit. Snake Eyes has been complained about for years, Tenpai was a deck people hated from the get-go (for good reason) and neither of them are especially fair or fun to play against. Now people who complained forever bought into these strategies they hated because they got cheaper and are complaining that they're getting hit.
If you're playing a deck that you complained about forever, you're part of the problem! Regardless of price, these are decks that should be hit because they facilitate an unfun and toxic playstyle! You've hated these decks yourself, don't whine about them getting hit!
It's funny how having a better product would literally benefit everyone involved and will greatly reduce the severity of the issues with the only con that would be less immediate, upfront return a.k.a. we're not getting anything fixed.
It looks like Tenpai in Master Duel will soon join its TCG counterpart on the banlist
My problem here is that if they would have hit maliss and ryzeal, then the complain would have been: "they waited for everyone to buy them and then instantly kill it after the event". This community would never be happy and always complain no matter what.
I mean you can hit the non-Maliss and non-Ryzeal related cards in said decks. For example why is Bonfire still at 3, why is Dimension Shifter still around, or the Kashtria cards which Maliss plays, why not hit generic Rank 4's like Evilswarm Exciton Knight or Abyss Dweller, why not hit I:P or S:P. There were ways to hit decks indirectly by dealing with the generic stuff.
Ryzeal will get hit but i dunno about Maliss is the second best deck but is still far from Ryzeal also the deck does nothing unfair, i see it similar to cases like Swordsoul, Eldlic or Labrynth good but fair decks, but even that i like Maliss and play it Shifter needs to go.
@@calumbishop7082 Hitting IP and SP just hurts every deck. This is the problem with a lot of generic hits, you really shouldnt hit them unless you're doing so out of principle.
Abyss Dweller needs to go though, its just another floodgate andy.
My brother in chrysler, they would not hit something DAY OF RELEASE.
I'd prefer if decks received frequent small hits instead of trivial hits until a slaighter list
So glad I quit buying physical cards. I could not fathom spending the amount of money the Diabellstar Snake Eyes deck costed just to have it gone within a year. Games with official rotation let their decks live longer, and leave them alone even when they get power creeped.
its eco friendly to make two vintage decks using old cards and use that to play in sealed formats. you can make 10 deck pairs this way.
music at 00:36{i know its from super mario galaxy but cant remember it}
Isn't it star observatory ? Like, the hub ? Rosalina's ship ?
I've been seething since Konami banned Circular FOR NO FREAKING REASON.
I feel like due to Ryzeal now, Circular would make the deck more broken. I’m still sad for Circular banned tho. I love that card.
@@lafaetah that’s a possibility since Splash Mage is the butter of most link combos. If you think about it, Maliss is literally Mathmech since they have the same end board.
I think it was moreso most of the top players being tired of playing Snake Eye rather than the new decks being objectively better.
I've been thinking this too cause it's not like Ryzeal is as broken as tenpai yubel or snake eyes it's just not worth playing the other decks because their key engine prices are dead
My theory is that they purposely didnt semi limit branded fusion to sell crossover breakers more. They bothered hitting jowgen which is why i came to this conclusion.
You're way too late to complain. The foundation of modern YGO management has been broken for years. They've stuck to this "late banlist" approach for so long that anyone who couldn't tolerate it left ages ago. The only players still around are those who, knowingly or not, have accepted-or even supported-this system.
Honestly, even if the banlist feels unbalanced, most people either accept it or take advantage of it. Let’s be real-some players only have fun when there’s an overpowered deck to carry them. And because Konami’s been running things like this forever, there are tons of players like that now. They’ll happily spend money on broken cards, no matter how expensive, just so they can win.
yeah I stopped ever considering touching any cards close to competitive viability since 2019 when the deck i played at the time got a card collaterally banned and the sheer fool i felt liek for having bought a card that was now unusable made me sewar of off anything that could ever be remotely theoretically maybe banned indirectly fro any reason (and I still missed the mark recently with snake-eyes getting linkuriboh banned which made me really angry at them in a way hadn't been since back then). this best deck rotation thing has been here forever, it's weird that people have an issue with it now suddenly. Me as someon who had already stopped ever touching their best deck rotation for years really jst saw this banlist for what it was always seen as before "hey one of the annoying op decks of the op deck rotation is dead, one less headache to worry about!"
.....but this is what they do every year.....since launch. Now granted, they didn't have a great concept of where they were going back in Metal Raiders where they would just put out whatever and it was cool because it was new and the art was good. But still, they've had almost the same amount of time as MTG and Pokemon to figure out a different loop and RND, and they still mess it up. It always surprised me that a company who doesn't shy away from reprinting cards wouldn't just reprint cards and make old decks viable. Hell, the rules and text on the physical cards are subject to change. Why not just retcon Legend Of Blue-Eyes and go wild? Then again, Konami is mostly known for their gambling, so this is just waffling for the sake of it. Grumpy old men on the internet lol.
Not relevant to the conversation at all, but i was NOT expecting the PLA music to pop up 11 minutes in
OSS doesn't really need the ban, farfa is correct. This was a next set block profit push, konami does not like it when there are more than 4 decks topping.
13:04 yeah even better... itll be a secret rare or short printed. Then you have to pay even more for it. Then gets banned once the reprint comes. Hence the entire video point getting "rotated" out.
i feel like ash would've been a better hit than sinful spoils tbh if ANYTHING needed another hit, cause it also just makes diabelstar feel not worth running anymore
Didn’t have to go so far back for an example.
AGOV format was killed on the list right before Snake-Eyes release.
Imagine if we had full power Race, Unchained and Purrely at least at the start of the next format.
Would’ve made snake format way less exhausting.
Nice that they showed the ban list after the event rather then in the middle of it AGAIN!
My frustration with yugioh is we keep having formats with one super dominant deck that makes it really unfun to play. Instead of making the new stuff so much better than the rest if they could keep the level similar to the others or boost up other decks to help them compete that is the best way.
But Konami greed can't hav that of course
I agree with Bonfire to 1 honestly
Idk im of the opinion that all ROTA style cards should be at 1 for equality sake
ROTA, Bonfire, Tenki etc
I just dont see why decks should be allowed THAT much consistency
Tenki and ROTA are doing nothing right now, they could be put at 3 without incident
If the types were made equally that might be the way but realistically they're not. The searchers aren't made equally either. Pyro has 80 cards in the entire pool that Bonfire can search, leaving aside the fact that less than two dozen of them have been particularly good at any point and most of them were printed in the last year or so. Bonfire is also HOPT. Warrior has 524 cards in the game that ROTA can search, many MANY more of which have been relevant, and ROTA predates OPT clauses so multiple copies could be resolved in the same turn. Tenki has 128 valid targets, more of which are viable than with bonfire but far less are viable than with ROTA. Tenki is also much more vulnerable to disruption and must stay on the field to resolve as a continuous spell and also has HOPT.
Leave my fossil dig alone
@@succubussinbussinROTA isn't OPT, so maybe errata it first lol.
I like the hits to snake-eyes but they really should have taken poplar, ash and linkuriboh off the list with the ban of original because it is now just very inconsistant. I liked the deck from the start as a backrow cloggling monster control strategy and would have loved to see how it evolved with black witch (with her recursion and control) without the crazy consistancy of original
So regardless of personal feelings towards Tenpai, it was that was a good option for people not looking to spend $1200 on a deck. If I see that and invest in it, I should have longer with a deck I built and want to play than 7 months. Nerfing it is fine, necessary tbh, but murdering after it was the most accessible option for competitive players on a budget is morally wrong.
Yugioh fans are the worst fans because they literally enable Konami to disrespect them.
Being just really honest, Konami has really been pretty bad when it comes to their banlist and approach to the game that made me just a permanent yu-gi-oh viewer/youtube frog than an actual player. It's just super exhausting to put a lot of investment into the game for a deck that will only be competitive for about a year before its either completely not competitive viable anymore or just naturally power crept out which on paper is fine, but what about the investment? Guess I gotta do it again with the new product that surely wont be short-printed or just naturally super expensive. It's really old man, I don't think I'll ever come back to being a actual player again.
Great to see that the community kind of aknowledges this. Lets see how konami doesnt care and continues now
"Banning OSS kills Snake Eyes, the hit was unnecessary as the deck only had 1 top"
Mathmech Players (me): First time?
Shame really
It's literally the same but mm got it worse
People aren't acknowledging enough how the banlist changes were probably made before the YCS even started so the results had no influence on said changes. Snake-eyes won a YCS a month ago and won the one before that. You might not like it, you my think it was unnecessary, but it makes sense in the time period that these change were made.
you act as if the ocg didn't exist. Every decent player knew the two new decks were better than anything else, and konami knew as well. They didn't make the ryuge's high rarity like they did the rank 4s
pretending the designers have no clue as to how strong the incredibly pushed shit they release is, months after it started seeing play is insane
Ngl as someone who quit yugioh alongside many others its so funny seeing yugioh players get angry, continue their exact same "consume more powercreeped slop, complain when deck gets hit on the banlist, hate on Konami, repeat" behaviour.
If the TCG pisses you off that much, either move permanently to Master Duel and only collect cards because you like having shiny cardboard or quit the game altogether and go play a healthier, more fun game, stop supporting Konami's abusive behaviour. If you keep buying expensive meta cards then complaining when they get banned only to buy the next set of overpowered, overpriced pieces of shiny cardboard, you are quite literally the entire problem.
I love the video and your main point is one I been talking about since this list. Anyone remember when shavara was put to 1 as we got the fire decks and legit next format 0 people were on unchained. All they did was remove a deck that would of been at most rogue and force people who enjoyed unchained to change decks actually this is one thing I have enjoyed about master duel because of rarity system they are much less likely to outright kill a deck and actually nerf them correctly so they arent broken but playable. A great example is spright elf that card has been banned in the TCG for how long now yet had no impact outside of spright and live twin spright decks in the last 2 years unchained isnt all kinds of hit in master duel and you never see the deck its proof they just do this for money why ban OSS it was hardly even the problem card of the strategy if anything i would say promethean enabling anything you wanna do was way more broken as a completely generic link 3
TCG is years behind MD and OCG on unbans.
Megatins need to be released earlier and months away from the fall Banlist season. That’s around the time the start slapping the wrist of the current decks getting those reprints
Farfa, you are a true Yu-Gi-Oh philosopher
Banlist should be only for floodgates and degenerate ftk cards(No puppet, puppet its pretty difficult and inconsistent). Most old brokend cards with a HOPT line are fine.
I gotta disagree with the common take about Snake-eyes with this banlist. I think snake-eyes not performing well has a lot more to do with Ryzeal and Maliss being new and seeing representation as apposed to snake-eyes not performing because it isn’t as strong. We all had enough of SE and tenpai too so these changes are absolutely welcome
I still laugh that we got Barrage without Drident. Maybe they don't even know Drident is still banned.
Do we wrong?
No
They want to sell new pack
Ahh the long long ago when there was a date for the banlist... I hate this game.
I'm just happy the boys are back in town . thank you Dragon rulers.
On the downside , management of this game is horrendous and 'uncreative' .
Every year it's the same shit two new decks and then it gets banned and then the next two new decks etc. It's lazy, greedy. If every other archetype had a 'poplar' card then It would be fair game but that's only reserved for 2 ' new products ' a year ,
Konami when inventing the ban list: "Oh, damn. These cards recently released are destroying the game! We got to ban the problem cards."
Konami now: "Oh damn. These cards recently released are destroying the game! Let them run wild for 8 months and then we'll kill the deck when the hype has died down."
I honestly am not sure how but i really think Fiendsmith needs hits. It just feels like the engine can do too many different things.
Manlist, flanlist, clamlist
yes, then thing that i really dont understand is konamy reprinting a card and then banning it weeks later. You want people to buy your product or not??? how can people give you money if they dont trust you?
i think konamy should just be clear and say "from this point forward we are doing the following project: sell a set. reprint its cards 6 months after. and ban it 1 year after". this way people at least know that, if they want to invest, they have 1 year to do so. otherwise i fear people will just NOT buy the product at all, fearing it might get banned weeks later.
Tenpai wasn't rogue at all, it was a tiered deck
When are yugioh players not angry?
I’ve been playing Flesh and Blood for the last year or more and it’s so good. If you got a locals for it, you should try it.
Just to let you know: I never complained about Snake-Eye. In fact, I felt that the Deck was tame while cards like I:P were problematic (also, Requiem should flat-out just not exist. It makes Knightmare Mermaid look tame in comparison).
I never liked the banlist philosophy. In fact, I really dislike it. I will say with confidence though that Ryzeal is probably the most fair Tier 1 Deck in history simply due to their susceptibility to Boardbreakers like Dark Ruler and Book of Eclipse while not having anything inherently oppressive to it. Afaik, their endboards don't really have any protection against S/T, so I hope that the format will lean more into boardbreaking S/Ts.
I personally noted this "push new sets at all costs, kill budget decks" thing when they banned Mathmech Circular. It wasn't just because people didn't like playing against cyberse combo, it also because after circular went to 1, the deck hardlost to handtraps and wasn't even topping..... but. because the price of mathmech went down, it was an option for budget players and Konami couldn't have that, they needed the mathmech people (or the people playing rogue link decks that needed a mathmech engine, salad, ignister, libro, etc.) to spend 4-digits on wanted engnes.
Air Lifter to 1 was sinister for similar reasons, 1 air lifter meant rescue-ace NEEDED Diabellestar
Okay but I really hate Circular.
This is because konami is so unfair to tcg players. They have different packs and decks with ocg and much of their cards are so expensive.
Honestly, people complain about the banlist, but the solution is really simple: Play for fun, not to be a meta NPC waiting for the next best tier list to tell you what to play. When you buy a meta deck, it's like drinking some energy boost. You're buying results for a short period, then you losing your efficiency long term. They are gonna release the next best deck at some point and force you to buy it. Their business plan is simple: Release next best deck -> make it dominate so everyone buys it -> nerf it ->release next best deck. Ya'll are just too stupid and choose to continue in this loop. Break the cycle, grow some personality and go play something you actually like for once :)
some people like to play tournaments and compete. The competitiveness is part of the fun
I also see the OSS hit as future proofing. Now any deck that has a playable level 1 fire can’t use the Azamina engine to find their engine while also establishing an omni under Nibiru. Tenpai also deserves no tears with how easily that deck can rob games with the right hands. Easily the least interactive deck in the format. Shifter and D Barrier obviously should’ve been gone years ago, a Prosperity ban like in MD would’ve been very much deserved with how it lets you dig for side deck cards so easily, and a Fiendsmith engine hit like Caesar banned also probably should’ve happened, but Tenpai is such a fundamentally awful deck for the game and OSS has been a known problem for such a long time that the hits were deserved. It’s also hard to say how much of Anaheim’s results were due to new toy syndrome. I don’t think there’s a single deck out there that can play through a full Yubel board without a ton of assistance from non-engine.
wait for sale in a shop near
5 days later get hit with banlist
Next banlist announcement should be while farfa is getting pegged ama
it is also very shitty from them because I'm sure some asshole at Konami HQ probably pointed out "OSS wasn't in bonanza so it is fair ban it now :)"
I always found it odd that some players cheered for the 'kill the deck' banlist. How is it a good thing when a $1,000 deck turns into worthless cardboard overnight?
It has always been worthless cardboard tho, I do not understand why people still see TCGs as Stocks, they are not stocks they are cards for a expensive game that doesn't care about your economy.
Look, we have to except that the TCG, is a niche product, Konami makes way more money from Master Duel and Duel Links than it does with the physical card game. Konami is trying to squeeze as much money as possible out physical game as a side thing. Physical Yu-Gi-Oh is not for general audiences anymore, its for a niche audience of people willing to spend fortune on physical cardboard.
I don't buy Yugioh cards because they're expensive. I gladly buy reprints because good cards are affordable. The good cards get banned soon after so now I don't bother buying anything
Konami is just a weird company man. They can absolutely let a deck shine to move product while gradually bringing something like Ryzeal(spelling?) back in line with small adjustments and play testing.
Not to mention keeping massively unpopular cards like Shifter around (I don’t care how much of a necessary evil it is) instead of just banning them outright for the health of the game.
Health of the game bro? Shifter ain't shit, Tenpai is in the game, that's literally a handtrap turbo deck with no interaction. Or what? Gonna cry about Ritual Beasts that require the player to be a god to do the same thing better decks do, or even Floowandereeze 😂😂
I’ll just play the budget comp decks Jesse keeps making 👍
Ok, so after watching this video i understand where you are coming from. I’ve made so many accounts in master duel because I was getting rekted by tenpie, snake-eyes, yubel, etc. I learned that” if I can’t beat ‘em join ‘em,” and still it’s not a cake walk. I play snake-eye with evol or salamangreats. But this whole ban list should’ve been done sooner or like farts said ban bonfire. I’m not a competitive player at all btw I treat this game like chess and strategy based games. My first love of this game originally cubics and I can’t play it without getting squashed. It’s sickening that I can’t play I don’t have the money to buy something better
"It only had 1 top" is a pretty ignorant take for a deck that forced players to build their decks in a way that still respected SE so you dont just lose to it. Add to it the fatigue of playing SE for 10 months and players wanting to play something else, and you should realise that you dont want to have SE still playable because it would come back in force once the new toy hype died down.
We are always angry!
But… theres also a reason, one of many many unadressed Reasons ignored by Konami
Wow Farfa speaking without a gun pointing at his back?!
SE: absolute BS. There was no reason to disconnect SE from Diabellstar. Players waited 10 fire to be good again and now it fell back into oblivion. I dont mean the engine didnt deserve some further hit (like ban Flamberge?), but didn't deserve a slaughter either.
Tenpai: that's more controversial. The deck was definitely not bad and not even rogue as much as we wanted to cope on it. It consistently carved top spots, even at the high end. And it was miserable to play against if you didn't get strong floodgates (Dbarrier most notably).
On the other hand it was a pretty budget, good and simple to get a grasp on deck.
Thus popular. On a competitive prospective they did well slaughtering it, as a market move I dont think so.
Most of the tcgs have some gimmicky bs hanging around to give a chance of winning to everybody. Tenpai was stupidly overpowered tho.
Branded: huh? Why? And why now?! And... Why not Sanctifire? Do they know theoretically they could still bring some floodgates with it instead of Jowgen and Nightmare right? Oh well.
Overall that's nothing new. After every banlist we gather the circle jerk of ppl complaining about Konami's predatory practices. Nothing will really change until whales stop keeping the beast alive.
The community gets what they deserve. Stop buying product