he is consistent with the scriptures on marriage , and this is evident; aswell he is speaking accurately on the context of Matthew 19, many who call themselves Christians are lost on this subject and therefore are greatly powerless to build up and reconcile what God desires them to.
I've just been listening to David in 1980 , talking about Christians in government , and I thank God for Jacob Rees Mogg. I'm not a catholic but I admire his strong faith and hes right where he should be at the heart of government. God bless him . ! K
i was thinking the same thing, as someone who dated divorced women in my past deeming there was nothing wrong of it at the time because i thought that since divorce seemed acceptable in Holy Scripture (or so i deemed) it would be no problem to date divorced women. How wrong i was.
@@amcds2867I'm a divorced woman and I can only agree with you! With God's grace you can stay strong and can do the right thing in this area of your life. It's totally worth it. Blessings.
this is probably the best video, on this subject.....this individual seems to be spot, on, on his teachings....and as such....the go to person, on anything Biblical...
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
1 Corinthians 7:15 KJVS [15] But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases : but God hath called us to peace.
@@roblane5699 Then why after that and before it says..I Corinthians 7:39 “A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.”
@@roblane5699 1 Cor 7:15 it says in KJV is not under bondage. A totally different word from the marriage bond of gods law. It has never been used to describe marriage. In Greek it means WAS not enslaved. It follows up this section in v.39 with a woman is bound for life to her husband as long as he is alive.
@@roblane5699 1 Corinthians 7:15 Debunked Divorce Exemption of 1 Corr 7:15 3A Debunked ruclips.net/video/eB72OjnI9Pw/видео.html Does the Bible justify divorce and remarriage? (1 Corinthians 7 explained) FIRST WORKS BC ruclips.net/video/PiLZuJwDtLw/видео.html MDR Question #1 Does 1Co7:15 give permission for a believer to remarry? Tamara ruclips.net/video/duZakw9Abrk/видео.html This would go directly against what Jesus said calling Jesus a liar. Jesus said whosoever marries a the innocent party commits adultery as well. It does not say divorce and it definitely does not say remarry.
@@roblane5699 “NOT UNDER “BONDAGE”…….. No WAS NOT ENSLAVED!! If the unbelieving depart..... let him depart. A brother or sister is not under the bondage of servitude [Greek word Douloo] because of the separation, but should intercede for the salvation of the departed one, praying for his/her salvation and for reconciliation. A Testimony from a Sister in Christ : Quote : But just to be clear, here is something I recently discovered: I finally looked up the Greek and compared what Paul said about a woman being bound to her husband as long as he lives (1 Corinthians 7:39), and how when the unbelieving spouse leaves, the other spouse is not 'bound' in such circumstances (1 Cor. 7:15). Did you know that 'bound' is two different Greek words in these verses? 1 Corinthians 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. 'bound' is the Greek verb 'deo' deó: to tie, bind. Original Word: δέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: deó Phonetic Spelling: (deh'-o) Short Definition: I bind Definition: I bind, tie, fasten; I impel, compel; I declare to be prohibited and unlawful. NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin a prim. verb Definition to tie, bind NASB Translation bind (7), binding (1), binds (2), bound (23), imprisoned (4), prisoners (1), put...in chains (1), tied (4). Now, in 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 'bound' is the Greek word 'douloo' 1402. douloó ► Strong's Concordance douloó: to enslave, bring under subjection Original Word: δουλόω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: douloó Phonetic Spelling: (doo-lo'-o) Short Definition: I enslave Definition: I enslave. HELPS Word-studies Cognate: 1402 doulóō - enslave (passive, "become enslaved"), focusing on the status of being a bond-slave. In contrast to the other verb-form of the same root (1398 /douleúō), 1402 (doulóō) stresses the results (effects) of enslavement. That is, what automatically goes with belonging to another. See 1401 (doulos). So there is a difference between the bond between a husband and wife (for life) and this being 'bound' or 'under bondage'. So I am still bound to my husband (married in God's eyes, no matter what man says), but not under bondage to him. He does not rule over me, but I am not free to marry someone else because he is still my husband. It is interesting that Paul says these two things in the same chapter First he says the believer is not 'bound' under the circumstance of their unbelieving spouse leaving them, and then he says that a wife is 'bound' to her husband as long as he is still living. It seems to contradict, but it doesn't. It's a different word. - Ricky B Pual says 1 Corinthians 7:10 10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she Must Remain Unmarried OR else Be Reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. Then sandwiched in is Corinthians 7:15 a very unclear verse that Paul says “now I speak and NOT the Lord” and it gives no permission to remarry you have to add that to it, where all other verses do talk about remarrying. 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace 1 Corinthians 7:39 “A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.” Now Paul goes back to saying they are bound for life!!!!! So is Paul is bi polar? No. It is a different word. And the Greek says HAS not BEEN enslaved. “Not Bound”, No, HAS not been enslaved ( PAST TENSE! ) Written so that a spouse would not be conflicted to obey the husband and follow his pagan religion and honor her husband over following Jesus. Just like the movie “The Case For Christ” in which the husband gives an ultimatum “It is either me or your Jesus, which is it going to be?” This shows you are to pick your savior Jesus. Kehillah in Corinth I 7:14-16 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB) 14 For, [T.N. following the principle of bikkurim], the ba’al who is an Apikoros is mekudash b’Ruach Hakodesh (set apart as holy in the Ruach Hakodesh) by the isha, and the isha who is an Apikoros likewise by the Ach b’Moshiach; otherwise, your yeladim(children) are tema’im (unclean); but now they are tehorim (clean). [MALACHI 2:15] 15 But, if the one who is an Apikoros(apostate- a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle) separates and departs, let the separation occur; the Ach b’Moshiach(brothers in Moshiach) HAS not been enslaved(past tense), or the Achot b’Moshiach(sister in Moshiach) in such cases; but Hashem ('the Name’)- is used to refer to God, particularly as an epithet for the Tetragrammaton, when avoiding God's more formal title, Adonai ('my master’).)has given you a kri’ah b’shalom(calling peace). 16 For how do you know, isha(woman), if you will not bring your basherter (destined mate), your ba’al(Husband), to Yeshu’at Eloheinu (the Salvation of our G-d)?
All he is saying is that the church start preaching in this issue of divorce. The church's aren't saying anything and this is damaging marriages. Some people don't read their Bibles as much as others but they enjoy attending church. If this was preached about more often, it would possibly convict those who were contemplating divorce. One wants a big house and Mercedes, while their partner doesn't really care about those things. Should Christians get divorced because of worldly things. Well, they do and that's sad and selfish. Remember the parable of the sower And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. Luke 8:7 KJV And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. Luke 8:14 KJV Materialism is destroying marriages
Ive never been married, Im born again (really born again) not bc i said a prayer.....anyway every time I meet a Christian woman and hope for a promising future and then find out she was divorced - i immediately end the relationship. Not sure if Im doing it right, but I don't want to live in sin, marrying someone that could curse me bc they were in a previous marriage and divorced against GODs law.
You are doing it right. My testimony is that I’ve tried to have relationships with women who were divorced in the past. Funny thing is that non of those relationships ever worked. Death is the only thing that can break the covenant. God has someone for you that had not been married. Read Luke Chapter 16 verse 18. God bless you.
Good on you. I was silly enough to marry someone that had been divorced, during the time I went astray from God and actually didn't realise it was wrong Married for 15 years now with two beautiful daughters and now being told by others on here that I am to leave my wife, regardless that my daughters would be distraught by it.
Romans 7 By law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man
@@rightreasons7908 No sir, Not under mosaic cerimonial law and you are not under the law IF you walk in Love and he goes on to say the 10 love commandments are walking in love and they are written on our hearts and will never be done away with.
Understanding what the Bible REALLY says about divorce is almost impossible unless you're familiar with Hebrew terms and concepts absent in Christianity, such as 'Agunah'. Time and again, I've found that Christian pastors often miss the true teachings of the Bible on this topic. I highly recommend Dr. Eitan Bar's short book, "Christian and Divorced: What the Bible REALLY Says About Divorce & Remarriage." He is a Jewish-Christian fluent in Hebrew. After reading about 20 different books on the subject, this one stands out as the best. I was even an early reader of it.
Not impossible if read 1Cor 7. And Romans 7, and Mark and Luke. One would then have to ask... Why would this statement by Jesus only be recorded in Matt.? All those other passages talk about the Doctrine of marriage and divorce.
Mark 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the HARDNESS of your HEART HEEEEE (MOSES) wrote you this precept….Do hard hearted people get into heaven? No, its unforgiveness and unbelief in their hearts. It covers one’s garment with violence and hands with BLOOD!….
I have only been married once, to a buftiful womem for 58 years, she devorced me, long story, I want to spend, the rest of my life winning her back. please pray fot us.
So if your husband or wife physically and emotionally abuse you and your children you cannot divorce. you must stay and submit to the abuse and endanger your children becauseif if you divorce you the innocent victim, who has to leave due to no fault of your own becomes an adulterer ? A lot of people leave if their well being is being endangered.
Jeremiah 3:1 THEYYYYYYYY Say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; YET YOU RETURN TO AGAIN, SAITH THE LORD. 2Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness. 3Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed. 4Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father, thou art the guide of my youth? 5Will he reserve his anger for ever? will he keep it to the end? Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest. Israel's and Judah's Unfaithfulness 6The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. 7And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. 9And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. 10And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD. Invitation to Repentance 11And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah. 12Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, RETURN O BACKSLIDING ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever. 13Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD. 14TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD, FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: 15And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. 17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. 18In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers. 19But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said, Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me. 20Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD. 21A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God. 22Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God. 23Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel. 24For shame hath devoured the labour of our fathers from our youth; their flocks and their herds, their sons and their daughters. 25We lie down in our shame, and our confusion covereth us: for we have sinned against the LORD our God, we and our fathers, from our youth even unto this day, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God.
If you murder someone you are a murderer. God forgives the murderer yet the act itself cannot be undone. Wouldn’t the same mercy be shown to a person who has divorced?
HI Jeff This is Steve - its not about Divorce ..........and its not about Gods Mercy , its about whether Marriage is a covenant that can or cannot be broken?.., and if it cannot be broken then is 'Remarriage'' adultery?....... That is the real question
It must be about MERCY. Christ is God’s mercy on us who believe - those of us who desperately need his mercy and forgiveness. A murderer is unable to restore the life that was taken and so remains a murderer in man’s eyes. But if Christ’s blood covers him - he is a new creature. A divorced man or woman can see the error of their rebellion to God and seek forgiveness. In man’s eyes they are divorced but in God’s eyes - they are made new. “She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more." John 8:11
David Pawson - Official I do appreciate your answer and your time however one of us must be mistaken. There are so many people out in the world who feel condemned by your teaching on this matter. God hates divorce - no doubt. Jesus clearly says it and he also clearly forgives. Divorce cannot be worse than murder though all sin is horrible. Many millions have been divorced and remarried and many worse things BEFORE they came to love Christ. If Christ can make a murderer a new creation - why can’t he also make a divorced man or woman a new creation?
@@jeffstevens3697 Hi Jeff this is Steve It is with great sadness that I hear you feel ''many people feel condemned by Davids teaching''. Divorce is not an unforgivable sin and you are correct, if God can forgive a murderer, HE can and will forgive someone who has committed adultery. Everyones personal circumstances are different, .....can Jesus make a divorced man or woman a new creation? ......... Absolutely !...... It starts with an understanding of whether one has done anything wrong or not? ......where a sin has been committed its about confession, 1Jn 1:9, and with confession HE is faithful and just to forgive us from all unrighteousness .... The message of Davids teaching is not to condemn - it's about asking the question whether marriage is a contract or a covenant? - If marriage is a contract it can be broken and remarriage is fine .......its not adultery, - if marriage is a covenant .......... whilst the Bible gives grounds for divorce, the covenant does not end with the act of divorce Feel free to write to me via contact@davidpawson.net and I would be happy to discuss further - off line .
Ok so at about 22 minutes he says he doesn’t believe we are under Moose’s law? But yet mentioned the 10 comments which are from Moose stating do not commit adultery which he mentioned is part of a marriage covenant, which is under the law in Moose’s time. Can’t be both ways. So we are to forget all the comments because they are in Moose’s time?
The new testament clearly says don't commit adultery, so I think he's entitled to say it in old and new testament. Revelations clearly says practicing adulters will go to hell forever. But the law of marriage clearly changed in new testament. The 10 commandments was given by God HOWEVER the law of a citificate of divorce was given by a MAN and NOT GOD. As we clearly know the original law of marriage by GOD and NOT man, was 'let no man put asunder' that was law was given by God and Jesus said I have not come to get rid of the law but I came to fulfill it.
I suppose that you are meaning Moses's law (first covenant/old covenant). The chapters of 2 Corinthians 3 and Hebrews 8 offer the clearest understanding in terms of Christ making a new covenant in place of the old.
@@ajlouviere202 there is so much controversy on what a covenant marriage is in the eyes of God. People get so angry talking about this. I’m not in my first marriage and people tell me my spouse is not even mine. It’s confusing. I’ve always been taught what’s bound on earth is bound in heaven, so if we divorce and remarry God will honor that. May not be what he wants but will honor it. Many believe God will restore their marriage even if their spouse has remarried just because it’s a first marriage. I can’t believe God would tear apart a new marriage to restore a new one but it has been done. There lyes another divorce. It’s seems like a vicious circle. People explains things but leave it wide open still. It begs for more answers. Is the adultery the sin or the divorce? People say the adultery can be forgiven but not the divorce.
@@oleos93 hi thank you for your comment. Jesus said if you remarry while first spouse is alive its adultery. How does Jesus fulfil the original law, in this case regarding marriage? He refers to the original law of marriage when he says " But in the beginning, it was not so" how has he fulfilled the law here? He instructs us to have the one husband or wife untill death, which is different to the law of Moses. take care
Question: I was married for 2 years, My wife kicked me out of the house and left the country for 6 months leaving me homeless. I was living in a container and a car. When she came back I had started a business. She turned up to clients demanding money from them, she physically assaulted me many times, She caused many problems in the church we went to, she actually refused to be a part of the church because they wouldn't put her in leadership. She ended up going to police and lying about me assaulting her. I was kicked out of my own home yet again, without any proof or evidence. I tried to reconcile with her, be "the good Christian" that never divorces. She assaulted me again to the point where I actually had to defend myself. After that altercation I told her I wanted a divorce. She then went to the police and said I had beaten her. Again no evidence, but Because I was at the home with her when I wasn't supposed to be I had to go to court and was facing jail time for something I didn't do. The entire time I was in court, she was messaging me about how much she loves me and sendin6 random verses. I was let off because the officer who arrested me said my actions were not the actions of a guilty person and that I had gone out of my way to meet up with him over a period of months. After this we separated. I tried one final time to reconcile, she ended up pregnant. I came home to view an Ultrasound. I found evidence she had been cheating (she claims she didn't). After this she ran off to another country and had the child there. A few years later I started dating someone. When she found out, she flew over and broke into my home (I didn't tell her where I was living) and said that God had said to her we would get back together. She then left again a few days later. 8 years on, She barely lets me talk to the child and still pushes for us to get back together. My question is, Does God intend for us to stay with a physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually abusive human being who sees no wrong or shows signs of remorse or repentance in their actions? Am I to stay in a life long relationship with someone who constantly lies and manipulates myself and others for her own gain? I had honestly tried to genuinely reconcile a second time in the last 7 months to find she is still just as abusive as before. This person has brought nothing but pain, strife and misery into not just my life, but my church, my family and my friends lives, some of it ongoing. Now I can either stay with this woman who shows no signs of remorse or repentance, or I can divorce her and maybe one day be with a sound, stable woman who loves the Lord, and that we can be effective together in our Christian walk. Thoughts?
You have no choice but to divorce her, surely trying to stay with her is impossible. I've posted my thoughts on here about how I'm meant to leave my wife that I love dearly and leave my two beautiful daughters because I am, and my wife are in adultery. I have been told that my wife has to go back to her 1st husband she was with over 15 years ago, who is now married again with a daughter too. I believe I am born again, I went wayward from the lord when I met my wife, she isn't I believe possibly not born again, but I really cannot see since I've came back to God's love how I am meant to repent of getting married to a divorced woman. I find it all rather disconcerting to hear that I could lose my salvation if I don't split with my wife and children. If I was new in the faith I could be swung to believe that I have no chance of being saved now because I can't repent of being married to a divorced woman so therefore why don't I just walk away from The Lord for good. After all that is what these people are making us feel like. Not helping at all. God forgive them for they not know what they say.
DP: You are either a fool, or just someone that is shopping around for sympathy, or justification for your actions, or future action. Consider referring and deferring your 'story' to God, through Jesus, and Listening to the Holy Spirit.
I've been single 17 years from an unwanted divorce. Every time I thought I found the right woman to take her place, I prayed, "Lord, should I marry again?'. Every time the relationship would fall apart the following day. I found Pawson's teaching years ago and it makes perfect sense to me. I am living a celibate life. God has given me freedom from thinking I needed a partner. My conscience is clear.
I'm trying to translate this sermon, but have trouble with some words. One of them is to be found in 29:50, "I'm not under the Law of Moses, the New testament says it's now ....?...., it's temporary", then at the 34:28, "take the words of the prophets that they had already, and m....? ... examine them", and the final is to be found in 49:02, "it was used for prostitution, it was used for b.....?," so can anyone help me with the correct spelling of these words, otherwise, I can't translate.... Thanks!
The New Testament says it 'obsolete'. and 'minutely' examiners them. was used for 'brothels' - may I make a suggestion - if you are translating have you thought of supporting Davids Ministry by donating your translation to David so it could be used as subtitles?.....please contact us :- contact@davidpawson.net. we would love to hear from you
It’s NOT THE REAL BODY OF MESSIAH! His true Church, His true BODY IS HOLY!!! It’s a COUNTERFEIT CORPORATION CHURCH!!! $$$$$$$$$$ COME OUT FROM BABYLON PEOPLE!!!
When I was very young, and not a believer, I was dating a Turkish Muslim boy. I got mixed up with Islam and the teachers suggested we do a marriage ceremony called Nikah Misyar which is like a convenience for people who don’t want to live together or support each other financially. There are stipulations that the spouses don’t have to do the marriage responsibilities but they can sleep together because technically they are ‘married’ So I did it. Fool that I was. We never lived together and I didn’t tell my family or friends. Some of his family knew and the people that performed the ceremony. Nothing was legalised - we weren’t married in the eyes of the law. We broke up of course and went in to other relationships. I didn’t think anything of it. I ended up being married and having children with my husband, and after that I became saved. It has been some years and I haven’t realised until now that I might be living in sin. Has anyone got some advice for me??😢
Hi Samantha - This is Steve on behalf of David. Such situations are very personal and there is no one universal answer. If you write to us at info@davidpawsonministry.org one of the team will try to assist you
The scripture clearly says that after you have become a bornagain Christian, you should stay in the position that you currently are! No matter what your past relationships included... You should stay with your current husband and love him like you love Jesus! Amen! :)
@ Sami Vaajanen. That's awesome! What scripture is that? I need to show people that I can be a born again Christian and remain in my homosexual marriage.
@@samivaajanen494 Mt 3:7 leads me to Matthew 3:7 kjv= But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Is this the scripture that you're referencing?
So I married a woman who was married twice before me (it was my first marriage). She abended me and we ended up divorced. Since she was biblically married to one of the other two men, and not really married to me. I am basically free to marry. Correct?
Wrong - whether your partner was married before or not The key question is whether Marriage is a Biblical covenant or a contract - If its a contract two parties can agree to terminate the contract - If Marriage is a covenant your marriage to your wife is also a biblical marriage and bound in heaven - it cannot be broken whilst you both live ....whatever she has done before she married you does not change your "marriage covenant"
Please give the scripture references. I enjoy the teaching BUT PLEASE give where in Scripture it says what you are saying so I can follow along. Chapter and verse. Thank you
If you go to David Pawsons website .co.uk and register for the explaining series books - you will find a copy of his book Remarriage that you can read online for free - there are many verses quoted chapter and verse
He made one mistake, he said Paul wrote that a man who desires the office of a bishop should be the husband of one wife. Meaning that if he is remarried he should not be a leader in the church. Why would Paul not just say, if you are remarried (husband of more than one wife) your living in adultery anyhow.
What about King David he had a few wives yet he was a man after God's own heart? I don't say I don t disagree with David Pawson but even Derek Prince second wife had been married before. Her first husband went off with another woman. This is a hard subject. If you hold David's view and speak this out or speak up, the issue is fudged. If you speak up about it you are accused of being judgemental.
that is exactly right. i personally believe it's a real heart issue, and people get married when God never ordained for them to be married. don't get me wrong, He will honor our free will decision to marry someone, but it may not be His perfect will for us to marry them. of course, God already knew we would, and He may allow it for a time and season, but it doesn't mean that we will stay married to them for the rest of our lives. that is reserved for the one person that God has truly ordained for us to marry, and for them to marry us. i personally believe that "divorce and remarriage" really pertains to our personal belief in Jesus, and whether or not we choose to stay steady with Him or if we choose to stray away from Him and marry ourselves to false things.
@Simon Freelove according to the Old Testament, God made a covenant with David and his sons that their iniquities would not be held against them eternally, as were Saul's, but that they would only receive punishment for the wrongs they did while they were still living.
In John 4:17 Jesus said that the Samaritan woman was right in saying that she had no husband, even though she had been divorced 5 times. That actually helps us out a lot with understanding that Jesus forgives divorces that occur before one comes to Him.
Could have only meant that they were deceased. God declared that He was still married to Israel after issuing a certificate of divorce in Jeremiah 3:14.
@@roblane5699 the topic you posed is in regard to the woman at the well being divorced 5 times. There is nothing to suggest she was divorced at all, or that divorce ends a marriage covenant according to Jeremiah 3:14.
@@ajlouviere202 1: Jesus said for her to bring her husband(He wouldn’t tell her that if they were all deceased)…. Sir, that means that she WAS married. 2:She said that she didn’t have a husband 3: JESUS SAID that she was correct in saying that she had no husband, and then Jesus went on to say that she had had 5 husbands. And that she she was currently with a man that was not her husband. It’s very plain that the Samaritan woman was a 5 time divorcée. And in spite of that, Jesus offered her salvation without her having to return to her 1st husband. There’s an understanding that many miss. Which is: The Jews are those who “know” GOD. Jesus addresses them in Matt chapters 5 & 19 The Samaritan woman is one who”does not know” GOD. Jesus addresses those in John chapter 4. Again, any divorce that occurs before one comes to “know” GOD can be forgiven. But divorce is forbidden by those who “know” Him
@@roblane5699 Jesus was testing her to see if she would answer correctly. This is the same context as Matthew 22:23-28, where a woman was widowed 7 times.
I am Christian man and try very hard to follow God's laws however what happens when a wife divorces her husband without his consent? This has happened to me and I refused to be divorce and never will you find a signature with my name on any divorce papers. But what to do. Must I live alone in celibacy until my ex-wife dies? No, but I found another woman with the same thing, she refused to be divorced but her husband divorced her. We have been married now for over 15 years but we both think are we living in sin even though we both live in love with one another? I pray that God forgives us both. Then another question which is worse in the eyes of God fornication or adultery? God help me.
According to the Apostle Paul, in Galatians 5:19-21, the sin of fornication, as well as the sin of adultery, will prohibit those who do not repent, and turn from these sins, from any inheritance in the kingdom of God. Please consider this, and pray for the Lord's help to accept what the scriptures teach.
Pawson does say in his talks that the involved people need to ask The Lord what should be done. Then do whatever He is leading you to do. I've been single for 17 years from an unwanted divorce. It can be done. Edited to add: I would love it if my wife sought the Lord and came back into my life. But only God knows if that will happen.
Matthew 14:3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.
HI if you write to us contact@davidpawson.net we would be happy to send you a free copy of Davids book which has more details on this very question - alternatively you can read the book online for free by visiting explaining biblical truth.global ( no spaces) which has many of Davids books free to read some are free to download - this book is under a section called Free Online Books Let me try to answer your question Its important to read the whole Bible not just one verse which may be for a specific context - verses need to be read in the context for which they were written and we must take the bible as a whole , not base decisions on one verse if other verses help one build a full picture Let me summarise what David teaches based on what the Bible says = please don't take what David says unless you check out the Bible for yourself David Teaches that Matthew 5:32 was written specifically to Jewish believers - In context, after engagement, the Jewish betrothal period is 1 year before marriage - this engagement period is considered marriage in that there are very few circumstances where Engagement can be broken, you are betrothed to marry - committed to be married. One of the grounds to break an Engagement is where it can be proven there has been Sexual Immorality If one finds ones partner is not a virgin ie has committed sexual immorality outside of marriage, then that gives grounds to permit divorce. This is specifically important in the case of Mary and Joseph - Joseph had legitimate grounds to divorce Mary because she was carrying a child that was not his - but Joseph remained faithful to her,, and betrothed to her, the fact she was carrying a child, that was not of Joseph, would have been a real issue to Mary and Josephs family. Sexual Immorality gives grounds for divorce but that does not mean one has to divorce because of it You have not asked the question but Davids Book is called Remarriage after Divorce...... We have to differentiate between divorce and remarriage. Based on Bible Scriptures David teaches that Marriage is a covenant not a Contract - Contracts are legal agreements which can be broken and contracts often give terms by which the contract can be broken - called Termination Clauses. David teaches that the Bible is clear that Marriage is a covenant - covenants can only be broken by death. 1 Cor 7:39. Rom 7:2-3 So even if you divorce your partner, because of sexual immorality, marriage to another is adultery and in Old Testament Times was punishable by death (John Chpt 8) Please read 1 Cor 7:10. Mark 10:2-12
Mark 10:4 And they said, MOSES suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. (Who? God did? NOOOOOOOO!!!! MOSES!!!! Twice God says this was not His command. One in the OT and once in the NT.)
What about when a man leaves a woman for another. Does that mean that woman would need to be alone until the husband comes back? What if he never comes back because he remarried and now has another family with kids?
This is a very difficult and often controversial subject to deal with. Because the answers may not what we want to hear Its not important what others say , nor what David teaches but what is important is what does the Bible say ? There are three answers to your question - what does the Bible say - what does culture an date law of teh land permit - what do others say The Lord God almighty is a just God but often we have to wait of that justice to come, what is important to David (and to myself) starts with what does the Bible says The first key question is whether Marriage a Covenant or a Contract ? - What does Jesus say in Luke 16:18? Mark 10 v 1-12? If you believe Jesus taught that Marriage can be broken, you have your answer - however if Jesus teaches it is a Covenant then that can only be broken by death The second question concerns grounds for divorce ........and depending on the first question above, if there are grounds for divorce does that permit remarriage ? It's not whether 'he, the husband' comes back or not - the question is whether she is free ie can Marriage can be broken except by death ?. Romans 7 vs 1-3 1Cor 7:39 ?
Matthew 12:28 NASBS But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. One of a few other verses in Matthew where "God" is used. I simply cant buy the argument that Matthew avoided using the name of God, using Heaven instead.
You are correct Matthew 12:28 has been translated "then the Kingdom of God has come upon you " NASBS. NIV. KJV etc David point is that Matthew 'avoided' using the name of God in preference to using teh term Kingdom of Heaven Reason? Matthews respect of his readers who were primarily Jews and teh fact that Jews feared mispronouncing the Holy Ones name would be dishonouring I did a search and found - only 4 references to the "Kingdom of God" in Matthews Gospel but - more than 30 (I believe) references where Matthew quotes the term the "Kingdom of Heaven" David is making the observation the Kingdom of Heaven - is one and the same as the Kingdom of God - except Matthew tried to avoid using Gods name in respect to his readers ie Jews This is in contrast to the other gospels that quote the term "Kingdom of God" ...... in fact I cannot find any reference to the "Kingdom of Heaven" quoted in the other gospels . That may or may not be true - just I cannot find any when I search Are the facts: - you will not find the Kingdom of Heaven in the other 3 Gospels - the Kingdom of Heaven used far more times than Kingdom of God in Matthew's Gospel ...........not evidence in themselves, that Mathew was making a conscious decision to avoid using Gods name ?
If you are in an abusive marriage, you may separate from your spouse. If you separate, you must remain unmarried or be reconciled with your spouse (1 Corinthians 7:10-11). You can only remarry if your covenant spouse is dead (Romans 7:2-3 and 1 Corinthians 7:39).
@@kouta43210 If necessary, the abused spouse will be separating for the purpose of personal safety. The reason for the separation is not intended to be permanent, but temporary, which, unlike divorce, is intended to be a permanent separation. Hopefully, during the time of temporary separation, the abusive spouse will get help and stop being an abuser.
I would think so according to scripture if his other wife was still alive when u married. But I would be wary to rush into marriage after that. Make sure both you/he plan to follow God and are devout. Remember Paul's warning that your heart can be caught up with worldly troubles, you may be more likely to compromise God's will for you, because of too much focus on husband/family. Remember what Jesus said...those who loves others more than me, are not worthy of me. So pray hard about a new marriage. Make sure it's God's will..
I found that single people never have a ministry ,this is my observation and experience ,my life has been a failure ,isn't Gods priority the Kingdom of God ?
There are those who would indicate that Jesus’ direction regarding divorce and remarriage is a ‘law of Christ’ and therefore should not apply to the non-Christian. However Jesus direction takes us back to the creation narrative in Genesis 2 where there is the basic law of marriage - male and female becoming one flesh. This is a universal principle in nature and has application to everyone whether Christian or non-Christian. It is often said ignorance is not a legitimate defence - If I drive over the speed limit in a country - and I do not know what is the speed limit in that country, my ignorance does not change the fact - there is a law and I have broken it One then has to consider whether Marriage is a covenant or a contract - if Marriage is a covenant then the only way a covenant can be broken is by death - when you get married you make an oath - a pledge - til death do us part - whether you are a believer or unbeliever this is a pledge you make - Adultery and divorce is a violation of the sacred bond of marriage. This applies to all. I would start by saying Divorce and Remarriage is not an unforgivable sin - but if you carry on divorcing and remarrying after you become a believer then Hebrews 10:28 is very clear All have sinned - and the consequence of sin is death - so if you are in such position the guidance ice have in the New Testament is clear to all who sin 1. Stop - don't keep repeating - turn away, stop doing the same thing thing time after time after time 2. Repent - go and seek forgiveness from those you have sinned against What happens next?........ is personal matter between you and God - ask him what he would have you do and make sure you do it - and be careful with any advice that others tell you to do - including the above - check out what Gods word says and if thats not clear - ask God for wisdom
Below most bible (Matthew 19:10) is what the disciples respond after they hear from the Jesus massage about the marriage. (Matthew 19:9) Don't you think they are way over react to Jesus massage? Divorce is still consent if spouse cheat on the other. Why would they thought it's better not to marry. (Matthew 19:10, NIV: "The disciples said to him, 'If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.'") Please read this same Bible verses that I came across searching for the truth. I hope this help. Hebraic Roots Bible - Matthew 19: 8 - 10 8 He said to them, In view of your hardheartedness, Moses allowed you to put away your wives. But from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, even if there is a charge of adultery, and shall marry another, that one commits adultery. And the one who marries the divorced woman commits adultery. 10 His disciples said to him, "If such is the difficulty between husband and wife, it is not worthwhile to take a wife.
@@DavidPawsonAudio-Official Hello. Do you know if David had fellowship with remarried people in Churches/or housegroups etc? Or would he see that as something equal to 1 Cor 5 about not eating with a brother that fornicates, is greedy etc. And also bring being in adulterous relationship in this context? Do you know? I find it hard to do if people seemingly love the Lord and are very spiritual but they have a different view on the exception clause in Matt to fex inculde adultery.
@@givethanks6714 Hi its an interesting question but please read Davids biography - you will learn that David had to live with the situation where one of his dear children married someone who was divorced. David was a man of no compromise - not even where it involved his own children, the price he had to pay was immeasurable .
@@givethanks6714 HI we are uploading davids books, one by one, for everyone to read online for free, www.davidpawson.co.uk. however his biography is not one of the books uploaded yet - you could try online second hand book suppliers ? Its called "Its not as bad ...as the truth"
Great presentation. When it is GOD ALMIGHTY who orchestrates a marriage, nothing will put it asunder! He will supply the forgiveness n the wisdom needed to overcome conflicts n challenges that arise in the relationship. Problem is, there are so many marriages that were NOT orchestrated by GOD; HE had absolutely nothing to do with them. No way GOD is going to hook you up with someone who batters you n kicked you down the stairs, someone who has a secret $500 a day cocaine addiction (discovered after the marriage), someone who has an STD and takes medication 💊, (again discovered after the marriage), someone though heterosexual, demands anal sex, and many other unpleasant discoveries after the marriage. There are so many unusual n unsafe marital traps, that a personal RHEMA from the HOLY SPIRIT must be seeker to deal with such cases.
If you read his book you get the all the verses - and we are not trying to sell Books Send email to contact@davidpawson.net and we would be very happy to send you a copy - free of charge - a gift
This is the hard heart Jesus was talking about, repent and follow what God says about marriage. Do not commit adultery. David Pawson is consistent with the Bible teaching. Matthew 19:6 NKJV 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Romans 7:1-2 KJV 7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. Matthew 19:8-9 KJV. 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Luke 16:18 18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV 10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 (KJV) Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
@@dariuschildofGod Good thing I'm not a Christian anymore and don't have to worry about following what some guys wrote 2,000+ years ago. I'm exploring consensual non-monogamy these days. Just like the ol' biblical patriarchs. Well, I don't know how consensual they always were but I'm trying to be ethical anyway.
Here’s one thing. We know men were divorcing their wives all the time in the Old Testament. When we see the New Testament come to be through Christ, where are all the biblical examples of people divorcing as a show of repentance? The last story he told surely would have been the case for many many families, but not one example of divorce due to repentance can be found. Just saying if that’s what Christ really wanted people who were in this situation to do why do we not see anything like that in scripture? A decision to divorce to follow Christ.
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. However, the wife, in the above scriptures, is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews (that Jesus was speaking to) were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39. Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel. The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death. The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. Christ's death on the cross caused the Jews to become dead to the law of Moses, so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the ordinances of law of Moses as justification, over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the ordinances of the law is no longer possible, for Israel, and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15. Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife. Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned, by an unbelieving spouse, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving those who are abandoned permission to remarry, do not understand the command that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, and that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh, due to one's unbelief, puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, and himself, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command to verses 10-14 in verse 15. Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16. The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions. The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24. Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans, and likewise Luke to evangelize the Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
I don't think Christ came to cause broken families. I don't think God pulled the rug out from under the Jews who were rightly divorced according to Moses' Law. That's pretty unfair!
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr no, he came to teach repentance of adultery, forgiveness of adultery, and reconciliation of those who have become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage.
@@ajlouviere202 So what do people do, in your opinion, who were born into unbelieving families, married someone, divorced, remarried, THEN became born again and are wondering how best to follow God? The divorce and remarriage has already happened. Now what?
adultery on behalf of men is only by having the wife of another man not how it was proclaimed here. as well there's righteous polygyny which the Lord regulates in His commands!!! so the Scriptures of the Lord disagree with these. also the Law is holy and for us to grow in!!!
Well my Bible does not say that please let me know what version you have? Matthew 19:9 - "marries another woman"....... not "another mans wife" as does : Mark 10:11-12 Luke 16:18 and especially Matthew 5:27-28 where adultery relates to thought not even action Where does the Bible regulate "righteous polygamy" through His commands?
yes because the woman is another man's wife in the eyes of the Lord that's why it would be adultery because the divorce was not righteous... about polygyny it's Exodus 21:10
Jesus was very clear in Mark 10:11-12 that marriage is to be a permanent bond between one man and one woman. To break it off and marry another is adultery Whatever was permissible in the days of Moses was clarified by Jesus
Separate the act of divorce - from remarriage ,. The Bible gives grounds for divorce, however if you accept the Bible states Marriage is a covenant - one is only free to remarry when a partner dies - in which case you are released from covenant. Let me say also divorce, remarriage and adultery are not unforgivable sins - but you do need to seek the Lords forgiveness for any sin in your life, repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sin And as Jesus said to the woman who was about to be stoned for adultery - go and sin no more !
@@DavidPawsonAudio-Official David I need your advice. What if I married someone that had already been previously married? Ironically she wants to divorce me now but I don’t know what to do? Do I leave so that I am released from adultery? Do I let the unbelieving partner depart? I am stuck in the middle.
@@GritLifeStyle let me ask you a question …..do you belive that marriage is a covenant relationship or a contract ? Whether she wants to divorce you or not are you prepared to fight to keep for your marriage ? Our future salvation is not dependent on what others do or say - it’s down to our faith in God and His Grace ……. and as Jesus said if we love him we will keep his commandments.
@@DavidPawsonAudio-Official Absolutely, I am willing to fight for my marriage and keep our covenant. I pray for her everyday that we can reconcile. After I got saved and committed my life to Christ, she said she doesn’t want to live my “lifestyle”. I have never force my new found love for Christ on her. Now I’m completely lost.
@@GritLifeStyle don’t be lost remember trust in the Lord and lean not on your own understanding l, in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your ways Proverbs 3 “By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”” John 13:35 NIV
As Paul uses marriage as metaphor for the church (Ephesians 5:21-33); Jeremiah used the husband as metaphor for God (Isaiah 54:5; Jeremiah 3:14; 31:32) and the adulterous wife as metaphor for Israel (Jeremiah 3:8-10). God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) but He is also merciful and forgiving. God "divorced" His unfaithful wife, Israel having just cause as the faithful husband (Jeremiah 3:8-10). But after sometime God's mercy intervenes that He wanted back faithless and unfaithful Israel. God invites His people Israel to "return" to Him and promises that His anger will end (Jeremiah 3:12). God's love is stronger than His people's rebellion (Jeremiah 3:14-16). He commands them three times to return (Jeremiah 3:12, 14, 22).
In this particular video Pawson is not actually stating definite doctrines, he is examining the main widely believed views, and then saying things like "the more I read about this stance the more I think it is right". That is almost saying nothing. That unfortunately is not a doctrine, it is a persuasion, and thus perhaps he wants to have his cake and eat it, he wants to sit on the fence for his own safety on the day of wrath, but say that the stricter view that "porneia" in Matthew means "fornication" as the KJV rightly interprets is most plausible. It is not enough. As such - even an atheist could have given such a sermon as this, and could have sat on the fence like him. I have made it absolutely clear in my teachings for over 20 years online, and 45 years in churches, the word "porneia" in Matthew 5:32 definitely means fornication, and that anyone saying it means adultery is a cause for a Christian to divorce their Christian spouse and remarry is a heretic, and that by sanctioning adulterous second marriage they have turned their church into a sex cult. That is pretty clear!!! Unless I see in his other videos clear definite doctrines, rather than wishy washy statements like he is "persuaded one way" or "persuaded another", I will start to suspect he has visited websites were clear teachings are made, has repeated the content without attribution, but that he himself is a halfway man not able to take a proper stand. ANYONE can say what all 3 or 4 main stands are, and say in effect "I drift in this direction". He needs to make it absolutely clear to be of any real good "In Matthew 5:32 the word "porenia" is definitely speaking about a premarital sin". THAT is a doctrine. Get some faith man! However..... it may be that in other videos he uses more definite language instead of shuffling around the core center issues in a half baked fashion.
This video was recorded in 2011 when David published a book called Remarriage Is Adultery Unless ...... I can read this book free by visiting davidpawson.co.uk clicking on Free online books If you listen to the talk David gave in 2013 ruclips.net/video/SpKNBw4j_6o/видео.html. or the Interview he gave ruclips.net/video/ezbMGzHBYbc/видео.html. I think you will find his views very clear The key question is whether Marriage is a covenant or a contract, I contract can be broken by mutual agreement ....you can only be released from a Covenant on death There is then the question are there any exceptions - and Davids position is that there are no exceptions - what is often referred to as Jesus exception in Matthew 5 - Porneia - applies only to the Jewish Betrothal period and is not general "adultery" and many wish it to be
@@DavidPawsonMinistry Well he is WRONG. Porneia does apply to a marriage as well, as the Greek word used is DIVORCES his wife, except for porneia. A clear (deliberately extreme) example is a man who marries a woman who claims she is a virgin, who on the wedding bed is discovered to be covered in VD sores, and from her anatomy can be seen to have had a baby. She confesses immediately to her FORNICATIONS (porneia), but says he thought he loved her so would not hold it against her. This man can DIVORCE his wife, and yes she WAS his wife as marriage is a covenant, and without consummation it is still a marriage (or Jesus would be born illegitimate). HOWEVER if any man finds his fiance has fornicated before marriage he can end the relationship too while engaged, but in the west the word "divorce" would not be germane.
He keeps saying he’s not under Moses law but keep referencing it. Jesus constantly said What did Moses command ye? He also said I have not come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it. Jesus also gave his exception for remarriage. Say a spouse cheated (broke the marriage convenant by adultry) you forgave and this spouse continued to cheat. This person continually binds you to someone you have not agreed to be bound with (the third party not in the marriage). You divorce this person and remarry, find God, and repent of your sins. Are you and the new spouse in adultry? Mind you God Hates divorce. God also divorced Israel for playing the harlot.
Dorothy you are correct God divorced Israel- Jeremiah David separates divorce from remarriage and the Bible clearly indicates reasons for divorce God did divorce Israel and allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem but he never forgot them and at the determined time, blessed them and restored the Temple in Jerusalem - he never remarried another It’s a matter of whether marriage is a contract that can be broken or a covenant that can not be broken - GOd divorced Israel but his covenant to Abraham remains A divorce is a very sad break down in a relationship - which results in separation If marriage is a convent .....and that’s a question ...... separation is not the same as ending the covenant vows What we chose to believe is a personal choice
Dorothy you are correct God divorced Israel- Jeremiah David separates divorce from remarriage and the Bible clearly indicates reasons for divorce God did divorce Israel and allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem but He never forgot them nor did He forget his promise to Abraham and to David At the appointed time, He blessed them and restored the Temple in Jerusalem - He never remarried another bride because of what he promised to Abraham and David It’s a matter of whether marriage is a contract that can be broken or a covenant that can not be broken - GOD divorced Israel but his covenant to Abraham and David remains A divorce is a very sad break down in a relationship - which results in separation If marriage is a convent .....and that’s a question ...... separation is not the same as ending the covenant vows Divorce today permits remarriage Jesus gives one reason why you may Divorce your partner - Joseph chose not to Divorce Mary What we believe is a personal choice
Dorothy you are correct God divorced Israel- Jeremiah David separates divorce from remarriage and the Bible clearly indicates reasons for divorce God did divorce Israel and allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem but He never forgot them nor did He forget his promise to Abraham and to David At the appointed time, He blessed them and restored the Temple in Jerusalem - He never remarried another bride because of what he promised to Abraham and David It’s a matter of whether marriage is a contract that can be broken or a covenant that can not be broken - GOD divorced Israel but his covenant to Abraham and David remains A divorce is a very sad break down in a relationship - which results in separation If marriage is a convent .....and that’s a question ...... separation is not the same as ending the covenant vows Divorce today permits remarriage Jesus gives one reason why you may Divorce your partner - Joseph chose not to Divorce Mary What we believe is a personal choice
I looked at the Greek word in the bilinear Bible. The word Jesus used in Mathew was the word porneia. Meaning only one time what this man says but 21 times used as sexual immortality. Covering several forms including adultery, fornication, whoredom, and even idolitry. Look it up. I appreciate what this guy says but it's not completely accurate. He chose the example where it is only used one time and it was not the example in Mathew where Jesus gave his exception. These teachers are counting on the fact that people will be intimidated by using the Greek and nobody ever looks it up because they don't think they can understand it. Not true the tools we have now are very easy to use. Look it up yourself. Don't just take people's word for it no matter how smart they sound. Look it up yourself .
@@ajlouviere202 of course I have, psalms 119 says the sum of your word is truth. Scholarship 101 " no doctrine can and should not be set from any scripture that is taken OUT OF CONTEXT" This my problem with people looking for significance, and people groups who try to do the same. They filter the bible using their doctrines instead of filtering their doctrines with the bible. There has never been a church body of leaders that has EVER used ONE story to set up a doctrine, doctrines that any of us set into our lives should be gathered from multiple places of scripture that agree with each other. Now my original intent was to show that weather or not you agree with what the guy here is saying you should know that what he was saying about greek scripture was at best opinion of his own. The greek scripture says that pornia the word can be applied to ALL forms of sexual immorality. The man misrepresented scripture by saying that there is only one possible interpretation of this word. That shows both a bias and intent. Now people can try to cover up the truth all they want to, but in the end we must be convinced in our own mind before the Lord, and the Lord will deal with us accordingly. My intent was to merely show that the greek word did NOT just mean what this man was saying. When teachers don't reveal every side that they can it reveals motive. Sorry it's just fact and human nature.
@@frankhubbard8703 Genesis 38:12-26: 12And the days are multiplied, and the daughter of Shuah, Judah’s wife, dies; and Judah is comforted, and goes up to his sheep-shearers, he and Hirah his friend the Adullamite, to Timnath. 13And it is declared to Tamar, saying, “Behold, your husband’s father is going up to Timnath to shear his flock”; 14and she turns aside the garments of her widowhood from off her, and covers herself with a veil, and wraps herself up, and sits in the opening of Enayim, which [is] by the way to Timnath, for she has seen that Shelah has grown up, and she has not been given to him for a wife. 15And Judah sees her, and reckons her for a harlot, for she has covered her face, 16and he turns aside to her by the way and says, “Please come, let me come in to you,” for he has not known that she [is] his daughter-in-law; and she says, “What do you give to me, that you may come in to me?” 17And he says, “I send a kid of the goats from the flock.” And she says, “Do you give a pledge until you send [it]?” 18And he says, “What [is] the pledge that I give to you?” And she says, “Your seal, and your ribbon, and your staff which [is] in your hand”; and he gives to her, and goes in to her, and she conceives to him; 19and she rises, and goes, and turns aside her veil from off her, and puts on the garments of her widowhood. 20And Judah sends the kid of the goats by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive the pledge from the hand of the woman, and he has not found her. 21And he asks the men of her place, saying, “Where [is] the separated one-she in Enayim, by the way?” And they say, “There has not been in this [place] a separated one.” 22And he turns back to Judah and says, “I have not found her; and the men of the place also have said, There has not been in this [place] a separated one,” 23and Judah says, “Let her take to herself, lest we become despised; behold, I sent this kid, and you have not found her.” 24And it comes to pass about three months [after], that it is declared to Judah, saying, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar has committed fornication; and also, behold, she has conceived by fornication”: and Judah says, “Bring her out-and she is burned.” 25She is brought out, and she has sent to her husband’s father, saying, “To a man whose these [are], I [am] pregnant”; and she says, “Please discern whose these [are]-the seal, and the ribbons, and the staff.” 26And Judah discerns and says, “She has been more righteous than I, because that I did not give her to my son Shelah”; and he has not added to know her again.
@@ajlouviere202 Ok sir, I know the story. But it is clear to me that you don,t understand the issue so I will no longer be giving response after this. My issue was this man said that the language of Jesus' exception, IN THE GOSPELS, said something that it did not say, and it is clear to me that you don't understand this. Please understand my disagreement has nothing to do with weather or not you believe the topic or believe what the description of fornication is. My issue is that this man misrepresented what the greek said and that people should study for themselves. Since you avoided the entire subject of the greek and wrote out the entire story in the hebrew it is clear you don't understand so we are at an impasse. I hope that my objection did not disturb anyone. My point is still the same people should study these topics out for themselves and make up their own mind not just believe what others say simply because it's sounds nice that is NOT the way to the truth.
@@frankhubbard8703 are fornication and adultery the same sin, or are they separate sins with separate meanings? From the context of the scriptures, these are terms that are clearly used to describe sexual offenses from two seperate situations. What you note as "sexual immorality" is also termed as "fornication" depending on which translation you use, but what they indicate is in the same context of someone who is currently not on a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The confusion is caused by the fact that modern doctrine does not recognize that the Jewish people, during the time of Christ, also referred to the betrothed (engaged) as husband and wife (Deuteronomy 22:13-24, Matthew 1:18-20, Luke 2:5-7). This brings the term "sexual immorality" (fornication) into proper focus. Jesus makes a clear statement that adultery is the result of a divorce, and subsequent remarriage, not the cause. In fact, Jesus never lists any specific cause for divorce, and neither does the Old Testament, but only that "It hath been said" that in order to divorce let him give her a certificate of divorce (which the Pharisees already stated was for any reason), and then Jesus states the phrase: "except it be for fornication", which clearly means it was an exception to giving a certificate of divorce for any cause. The clear reason that you could not issue a certificate of divorce for her to become another man's wife is seen in Deuteronomy 22:13-21; 23-24. A betrothed wife caught having committed fornication was stoned to death, not given a certificate of divorce in accordance with Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage). Understand the context and meaning of Jesus's words in these verses: In Matthew 19:3 the Pharisees asked Jesus a question according to the law in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 about divorce for any cause. In Matthew 19:4-6 we see Jesus reply by reciting the one-flesh covenant of marriage (God's law of marriage) in Genesis 2:23-24. In Matthew 19:7-8 we see Jesus giving the Pharisees the reason that Moses wrote the precept (Deuteronomy 24:1-4), which was because of the hardness of the hearts of the Jews of the exodus (the wicked generation kept out of the promised land) against their wives. In Matthew 19:9 Jesus affirms that the law in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 was for any reason "except for fornication" (Deuteronomy 22:13-21; 23-24) because it was unlawful to give a woman, guilty of a sexual offense, a certificate of divorce in order to become another man's wife. She was stoned to death, which freed the husband from the betrothal in order to seek another wife. However we see this is not a possibility, under the Law of Moses, which now causes the husband to commit adultery by marrying another woman. Keep in mind that Mark 10:1-12 is the same biblical account as Matthew 19:1-12, but does not have a cause for fornication. The reason for this is because this account was written and given to the Gentiles who had no knowledge of the Law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-21; 23-24.
I think his biblical argument is that if a wife leaves you wrongly, you should remain faithful until she dies. There is always the possibility of reconciliation. In God's eyes you will remain married unto death. Even the Prophet Hosea married someone that left, but God said take her back again. So at the very least you should error on the side of caution and stay faithful, lest you cause yourself, or the new spouse to become adulterers. Here's a great interview with good Q&A from David about this subject. Hope it helps. God bless :) ruclips.net/video/ezbMGzHBYbc/видео.html
No. If she is your and you are her first lawful wedded spouse, then only death dissolves the one-flesh union. Read Dr. Leslie McFall's THE BIBLICAL TEACHING ON DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE. And remember: " It's okay to be alone if you are FREE."
No pray her back he is the God of changing hearts. Have faith he did it for dual topical King Cyrus, king nebakanezzar, proverbs 21:1, Ezekiel 36&37, Paros heart, Jonah !!!
If she commits fornication, then yes. If she remarries, then yes, in my opinion. Otherwise, wait for her. I think God would want you to wait for her even if she commits fornication in hopes of reconciliation until she marries in which case reconciliation is impossible Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
I’m here in August 2024 and the truth here is undiluted and the scripture is not manipulated . Thank you 🙏🏼 ❤
I could listen to him all day long. Simple, and to the point.
he is consistent with the scriptures on marriage , and this is evident; aswell he is speaking accurately on the context of Matthew 19, many who call themselves Christians are lost on this subject and therefore are greatly powerless to build up and reconcile what God desires them to.
Amen
Again, easy for you to say.
@@MrPt7 wrong, not easy
I've just been listening to David in 1980 , talking about Christians in government , and I thank God for Jacob Rees Mogg. I'm not a catholic but I admire his strong faith and hes right where he should be at the heart of government. God bless him . ! K
The logic is brilliant. The guidance is wonderful, and his excavating of the word is to be commended.
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Satan's logic is brilliant as well.
"Lean not on your own understanding (logic) but on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"
Thank You Lord for teaching me this early!
i was thinking the same thing, as someone who dated divorced women in my past deeming there was nothing wrong of it at the time because i thought that since divorce seemed acceptable in Holy Scripture (or so i deemed) it would be no problem to date divorced women. How wrong i was.
@@amcds2867I'm a divorced woman and I can only agree with you! With God's grace you can stay strong and can do the right thing in this area of your life. It's totally worth it. Blessings.
God bless your heart Mr. Pawson. Never heard such preaching and truth like this 🤗
this is probably the best video, on this subject.....this individual seems to be spot, on, on his teachings....and as such....the go to person, on anything Biblical...
Wow, what wonderful teaching. I held on to every word that Pastor Pawson spoke - it will be of immense help to me.
This is beautiful, thanks for sharing this. This helped me make an important life decision.
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
1 Corinthians 7:15 KJVS
[15] But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases : but God hath called us to peace.
@@roblane5699 Then why after that and before it says..I Corinthians 7:39
“A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.”
@@roblane5699 1 Cor 7:15 it says in KJV is not under bondage. A totally different word from the marriage bond of gods law. It has never been used to describe marriage. In Greek it means WAS not enslaved. It follows up this section in v.39 with a woman is bound for life to her husband as long as he is alive.
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Does the Bible justify divorce and remarriage? (1 Corinthians 7 explained)
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This would go directly against what Jesus said calling Jesus a liar. Jesus said whosoever marries a the innocent party commits adultery as well. It does not say divorce and it definitely does not say remarry.
@@roblane5699 “NOT UNDER “BONDAGE”…….. No WAS NOT ENSLAVED!!
If the unbelieving depart..... let him depart. A brother or sister is not under the bondage of servitude [Greek word Douloo] because of the separation, but should intercede for the salvation of the departed one, praying for his/her salvation and for reconciliation.
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But just to be clear, here is something I recently discovered:
I finally looked up the Greek and compared what Paul said about a woman being bound to her husband as long as he lives (1 Corinthians 7:39), and how when the unbelieving spouse leaves, the other spouse is not 'bound' in such circumstances (1 Cor. 7:15). Did you know that 'bound' is two different Greek words in these verses?
1 Corinthians 7:39 A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
'bound' is the Greek verb 'deo'
deó: to tie, bind.
Original Word: δέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: deó
Phonetic Spelling: (deh'-o)
Short Definition: I bind
Definition: I bind, tie, fasten; I impel, compel; I declare to be prohibited and unlawful.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. verb
Definition
to tie, bind
NASB Translation
bind (7), binding (1), binds (2), bound (23), imprisoned (4), prisoners (1), put...in chains (1), tied (4).
Now, in 1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
'bound' is the Greek word 'douloo'
1402. douloó ►
Strong's Concordance
douloó: to enslave, bring under subjection
Original Word: δουλόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: douloó
Phonetic Spelling: (doo-lo'-o)
Short Definition: I enslave
Definition: I enslave.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1402 doulóō - enslave (passive, "become enslaved"), focusing on the status of being a bond-slave. In contrast to the other verb-form of the same root (1398 /douleúō), 1402 (doulóō) stresses the results (effects) of enslavement. That is, what automatically goes with belonging to another. See 1401 (doulos).
So there is a difference between the bond between a husband and wife (for life) and this being 'bound' or 'under bondage'.
So I am still bound to my husband (married in God's eyes, no matter what man says), but not under bondage to him. He does not rule over me, but I am not free to marry someone else because he is still my husband.
It is interesting that Paul says these two things in the same chapter
First he says the believer is not 'bound' under the circumstance of their unbelieving spouse leaving them, and then he says that a wife is 'bound' to her husband as long as he is still living. It seems to contradict, but it doesn't. It's a different word. - Ricky B
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1 Corinthians 7:10
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she Must Remain Unmarried OR else Be Reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Then sandwiched in is Corinthians 7:15 a very unclear verse that Paul says “now I speak and NOT the Lord” and it gives no permission to remarry you have to add that to it, where all other verses do talk about remarrying.
1 Corinthians 7:15
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace
1 Corinthians 7:39
“A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.”
Now Paul goes back to saying they are bound for life!!!!!
So is Paul is bi polar? No. It is a different word. And the Greek says HAS not BEEN enslaved.
“Not Bound”, No, HAS not been enslaved ( PAST TENSE! ) Written so that a spouse would not be conflicted to obey the husband and follow his pagan religion and honor her husband over following Jesus. Just like the movie “The Case For Christ” in which the husband gives an ultimatum “It is either me or your Jesus, which is it going to be?” This shows you are to pick your savior Jesus.
Kehillah in Corinth I 7:14-16 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
14 For, [T.N. following the principle of bikkurim], the ba’al who is an Apikoros is mekudash b’Ruach Hakodesh (set apart as holy in the Ruach Hakodesh) by the isha, and the isha who is an Apikoros likewise by the Ach b’Moshiach; otherwise, your yeladim(children) are tema’im (unclean); but now they are tehorim (clean). [MALACHI 2:15]
15 But, if the one who is an Apikoros(apostate- a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle) separates and departs, let the separation occur; the Ach b’Moshiach(brothers in Moshiach) HAS not been enslaved(past tense), or the Achot b’Moshiach(sister in Moshiach) in such cases; but Hashem ('the Name’)- is used to refer to God, particularly as an epithet for the Tetragrammaton, when avoiding God's more formal title, Adonai ('my master’).)has given you a kri’ah b’shalom(calling peace).
16 For how do you know, isha(woman), if you will not bring your basherter (destined mate), your ba’al(Husband), to Yeshu’at Eloheinu (the Salvation of our G-d)?
All he is saying is that the church start preaching in this issue of divorce. The church's aren't saying anything and this is damaging marriages. Some people don't read their Bibles as much as others but they enjoy attending church. If this was preached about more often, it would possibly convict those who were contemplating divorce. One wants a big house and Mercedes, while their partner doesn't really care about those things. Should Christians get divorced because of worldly things. Well, they do and that's sad and selfish. Remember the parable of the sower
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
Luke 8:7 KJV
And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
Luke 8:14 KJV
Materialism is destroying marriages
This is wonderful preaching, thank you for the insightful words of wisdom.
Ive never been married, Im born again (really born again) not bc i said a prayer.....anyway every time I meet a Christian woman and hope for a promising future and then find out she was divorced - i immediately end the relationship. Not sure if Im doing it right, but I don't want to live in sin, marrying someone that could curse me bc they were in a previous marriage and divorced against GODs law.
You are doing it right. My testimony is that I’ve tried to have relationships with women who were divorced in the past. Funny thing is that non of those relationships ever worked. Death is the only thing that can break the covenant. God has someone for you that had not been married. Read Luke Chapter 16 verse 18. God bless you.
Good on you. I was silly enough to marry someone that had been divorced, during the time I went astray from God and actually didn't realise it was wrong
Married for 15 years now with two beautiful daughters and now being told by others on here that I am to leave my wife, regardless that my daughters would be distraught by it.
Perfectly correct
Romans 7 By law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man
But he clearly said he’s not under the law
@@rightreasons7908 No sir, Not under mosaic cerimonial law and you are not under the law IF you walk in Love and he goes on to say the 10 love commandments are walking in love and they are written on our hearts and will never be done away with.
Love this
Ha I never realized how funny he was. But as for the doctrine, on point!
Understanding what the Bible REALLY says about divorce is almost impossible unless you're familiar with Hebrew terms and concepts absent in Christianity, such as 'Agunah'. Time and again, I've found that Christian pastors often miss the true teachings of the Bible on this topic. I highly recommend Dr. Eitan Bar's short book, "Christian and Divorced: What the Bible REALLY Says About Divorce & Remarriage." He is a Jewish-Christian fluent in Hebrew. After reading about 20 different books on the subject, this one stands out as the best. I was even an early reader of it.
Not impossible if read 1Cor 7. And Romans 7, and Mark and Luke. One would then have to ask... Why would this statement by Jesus only be recorded in Matt.? All those other passages talk about the Doctrine of marriage and divorce.
I am truly blessed by this. 🙌🙌
Mark 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the HARDNESS of your HEART HEEEEE (MOSES) wrote you this precept….Do hard hearted people get into heaven? No, its unforgiveness and unbelief in their hearts. It covers one’s garment with violence and hands with BLOOD!….
Wow... Amen
Thank ful for you !
I have only been married once, to a buftiful womem for 58 years, she devorced me, long story, I want to spend, the rest of my life winning her back. please pray fot us.
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Excellent teaching.
So if your husband or wife physically and emotionally abuse you and your children you cannot divorce. you must stay and submit to the abuse and endanger your children becauseif if you divorce you the innocent victim, who has to leave due to no fault of your own becomes an adulterer ? A lot of people leave if their well being is being endangered.
Most people leave not for that reason. It's like saying about abortion - what if there's rape?! very small percentage first of all.
I think you can separate for that reason and pray so that God restores your marriage.
@@Stefy44 You are correct on this Stephanie
You are allowed to separate. But not to divorce or remarry. (1. Corinthians 7:10-11)
Jeremiah 3:1
THEYYYYYYYY Say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; YET YOU RETURN TO AGAIN, SAITH THE LORD.
2Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness.
3Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
4Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father, thou art the guide of my youth?
5Will he reserve his anger for ever? will he keep it to the end? Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest.
Israel's and Judah's Unfaithfulness
6The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. 7And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. 8And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. 9And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. 10And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.
Invitation to Repentance
11And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.
12Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, RETURN O BACKSLIDING ISRAEL, SAITH THE LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.
13Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.
14TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD, FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
15And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more. 17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart. 18In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
19But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said, Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me.
20Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.
21A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God.
22Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the LORD our God.
23Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel.
24For shame hath devoured the labour of our fathers from our youth; their flocks and their herds, their sons and their daughters. 25We lie down in our shame, and our confusion covereth us: for we have sinned against the LORD our God, we and our fathers, from our youth even unto this day, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God.
Hi, can I ask you if you copied and pasted this or did you type it?
Jools Pools I typed it in my document then pasted it and always have it to spread the truth. Jesus said my people perish for lack of knowledge
If you murder someone you are a murderer. God forgives the murderer yet the act itself cannot be undone. Wouldn’t the same mercy be shown to a person who has divorced?
HI Jeff This is Steve - its not about Divorce ..........and its not about Gods Mercy , its about whether Marriage is a covenant that can or cannot be broken?.., and if it cannot be broken then is 'Remarriage'' adultery?....... That is the real question
It must be about MERCY. Christ is God’s mercy on us who believe - those of us who desperately need his mercy and forgiveness. A murderer is unable to restore the life that was taken and so remains a murderer in man’s eyes. But if Christ’s blood covers him - he is a new creature. A divorced man or woman can see the error of their rebellion to God and seek forgiveness. In man’s eyes they are divorced but in God’s eyes - they are made new. “She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:11
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.”
2 Corinthians 5:17
David Pawson - Official I do appreciate your answer and your time however one of us must be mistaken. There are so many people out in the world who feel condemned by your teaching on this matter. God hates divorce - no doubt. Jesus clearly says it and he also clearly forgives. Divorce cannot be worse than murder though all sin is horrible. Many millions have been divorced and remarried and many worse things BEFORE they came to love Christ. If Christ can make a murderer a new creation - why can’t he also make a divorced man or woman a new creation?
@@jeffstevens3697 Hi Jeff this is Steve
It is with great sadness that I hear you feel ''many people feel condemned by Davids teaching''.
Divorce is not an unforgivable sin and you are correct, if God can forgive a murderer, HE can and will forgive someone who has committed adultery.
Everyones personal circumstances are different, .....can Jesus make a divorced man or woman a new creation? ......... Absolutely !......
It starts with an understanding of whether one has done anything wrong or not? ......where a sin has been committed its about confession, 1Jn 1:9, and with confession HE is faithful and just to forgive us from all unrighteousness ....
The message of Davids teaching is not to condemn - it's about asking the question whether marriage is a contract or a covenant?
- If marriage is a contract it can be broken and remarriage is fine .......its not adultery,
- if marriage is a covenant .......... whilst the Bible gives grounds for divorce, the covenant does not end with the act of divorce
Feel free to write to me via contact@davidpawson.net and I would be happy to discuss further - off line .
Ok so at about 22 minutes he says he doesn’t believe we are under Moose’s law? But yet mentioned the 10 comments which are from Moose stating do not commit adultery which he mentioned is part of a marriage covenant, which is under the law in Moose’s time. Can’t be both ways. So we are to forget all the comments because they are in Moose’s time?
The new testament clearly says don't commit adultery, so I think he's entitled to say it in old and new testament.
Revelations clearly says practicing adulters will go to hell forever.
But the law of marriage clearly changed in new testament.
The 10 commandments was given by God HOWEVER the law of a citificate of divorce was given by a MAN and NOT GOD. As we clearly know the original law of marriage by GOD and NOT man, was 'let no man put asunder' that was law was given by God and Jesus said I have not come to get rid of the law but I came to fulfill it.
I suppose that you are meaning Moses's law (first covenant/old covenant). The chapters of 2 Corinthians 3 and Hebrews 8 offer the clearest understanding in terms of Christ making a new covenant in place of the old.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s explain fulfill it? In what way does he do this in this case? What is He fulfilling exactly?
@@ajlouviere202 there is so much controversy on what a covenant marriage is in the eyes of God. People get so angry talking about this. I’m not in my first marriage and people tell me my spouse is not even mine. It’s confusing. I’ve always been taught what’s bound on earth is bound in heaven, so if we divorce and remarry God will honor that. May not be what he wants but will honor it. Many believe God will restore their marriage even if their spouse has remarried just because it’s a first marriage. I can’t believe God would tear apart a new marriage to restore a new one but it has been done. There lyes another divorce. It’s seems like a vicious circle. People explains things but leave it wide open still. It begs for more answers. Is the adultery the sin or the divorce? People say the adultery can be forgiven but not the divorce.
@@oleos93 hi thank you for your comment. Jesus said if you remarry while first spouse is alive its adultery.
How does Jesus fulfil the original law, in this case regarding marriage? He refers to the original law of marriage when he says " But in the beginning, it was not so" how has he fulfilled the law here? He instructs us to have the one husband or wife untill death, which is different to the law of Moses. take care
Is there in England another one like David Pawson ?
I dunno. He is the only one of his kind 💞
Question: I was married for 2 years, My wife kicked me out of the house and left the country for 6 months leaving me homeless. I was living in a container and a car. When she came back I had started a business. She turned up to clients demanding money from them, she physically assaulted me many times, She caused many problems in the church we went to, she actually refused to be a part of the church because they wouldn't put her in leadership. She ended up going to police and lying about me assaulting her. I was kicked out of my own home yet again, without any proof or evidence. I tried to reconcile with her, be "the good Christian" that never divorces. She assaulted me again to the point where I actually had to defend myself. After that altercation I told her I wanted a divorce. She then went to the police and said I had beaten her. Again no evidence, but Because I was at the home with her when I wasn't supposed to be I had to go to court and was facing jail time for something I didn't do. The entire time I was in court, she was messaging me about how much she loves me and sendin6 random verses. I was let off because the officer who arrested me said my actions were not the actions of a guilty person and that I had gone out of my way to meet up with him over a period of months. After this we separated. I tried one final time to reconcile, she ended up pregnant. I came home to view an Ultrasound. I found evidence she had been cheating (she claims she didn't). After this she ran off to another country and had the child there. A few years later I started dating someone. When she found out, she flew over and broke into my home (I didn't tell her where I was living) and said that God had said to her we would get back together. She then left again a few days later. 8 years on, She barely lets me talk to the child and still pushes for us to get back together. My question is, Does God intend for us to stay with a physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually abusive human being who sees no wrong or shows signs of remorse or repentance in their actions? Am I to stay in a life long relationship with someone who constantly lies and manipulates myself and others for her own gain? I had honestly tried to genuinely reconcile a second time in the last 7 months to find she is still just as abusive as before. This person has brought nothing but pain, strife and misery into not just my life, but my church, my family and my friends lives, some of it ongoing.
Now I can either stay with this woman who shows no signs of remorse or repentance, or I can divorce her and maybe one day be with a sound, stable woman who loves the Lord, and that we can be effective together in our Christian walk. Thoughts?
You have no choice but to divorce her, surely trying to stay with her is impossible. I've posted my thoughts on here about how I'm meant to leave my wife that I love dearly and leave my two beautiful daughters because I am, and my wife are in adultery. I have been told that my wife has to go back to her 1st husband she was with over 15 years ago, who is now married again with a daughter too. I believe I am born again, I went wayward from the lord when I met my wife, she isn't I believe possibly not born again, but I really cannot see since I've came back to God's love how I am meant to repent of getting married to a divorced woman. I find it all rather disconcerting to hear that I could lose my salvation if I don't split with my wife and children. If I was new in the faith I could be swung to believe that I have no chance of being saved now because I can't repent of being married to a divorced woman so therefore why don't I just walk away from The Lord for good. After all that is what these people are making us feel like. Not helping at all. God forgive them for they not know what they say.
Separation doesnt mean divorcing
DP:
You are either a fool, or just someone that is shopping around for sympathy, or justification for your actions, or future action.
Consider referring and deferring your 'story' to God, through Jesus, and Listening to the Holy Spirit.
@@johnd942 What a wonderful human being you are 🙃 I'll pray for you
I've been single 17 years from an unwanted divorce. Every time I thought I found the right woman to take her place, I prayed, "Lord, should I marry again?'. Every time the relationship would fall apart the following day. I found Pawson's teaching years ago and it makes perfect sense to me. I am living a celibate life. God has given me freedom from thinking I needed a partner. My conscience is clear.
I'm trying to translate this sermon, but have trouble with some words. One of them is to be found in 29:50, "I'm not under the Law of Moses, the New testament says it's now ....?...., it's temporary", then at the 34:28, "take the words of the prophets that they had already, and m....? ... examine them", and the final is to be found in 49:02, "it was used for prostitution, it was used for b.....?," so can anyone help me with the correct spelling of these words, otherwise, I can't translate.... Thanks!
The New Testament says it 'obsolete'. and 'minutely' examiners them. was used for 'brothels' - may I make a suggestion - if you are translating have you thought of supporting Davids Ministry by donating your translation to David so it could be used as subtitles?.....please contact us :-
contact@davidpawson.net. we would love to hear from you
It’s NOT THE REAL BODY OF MESSIAH! His true Church, His true BODY IS HOLY!!!
It’s a COUNTERFEIT CORPORATION CHURCH!!! $$$$$$$$$$
COME OUT FROM BABYLON PEOPLE!!!
When I was very young, and not a believer, I was dating a Turkish Muslim boy. I got mixed up with Islam and the teachers suggested we do a marriage ceremony called Nikah Misyar which is like a convenience for people who don’t want to live together or support each other financially. There are stipulations that the spouses don’t have to do the marriage responsibilities but they can sleep together because technically they are ‘married’ So I did it. Fool that I was. We never lived together and I didn’t tell my family or friends. Some of his family knew and the people that performed the ceremony. Nothing was legalised - we weren’t married in the eyes of the law.
We broke up of course and went in to other relationships. I didn’t think anything of it. I ended up being married and having children with my husband, and after that I became saved. It has been some years and I haven’t realised until now that I might be living in sin.
Has anyone got some advice for me??😢
Hi Samantha - This is Steve on behalf of David. Such situations are very personal and there is no one universal answer. If you write to us at info@davidpawsonministry.org one of the team will try to assist you
The scripture clearly says that after you have become a bornagain Christian, you should stay in the position that you currently are! No matter what your past relationships included... You should stay with your current husband and love him like you love Jesus! Amen! :)
@ Sami Vaajanen. That's awesome! What scripture is that? I need to show people that I can be a born again Christian and remain in my homosexual marriage.
@@rhondaleerzej9762 Thats just gay?.. Mt 3:7
@@samivaajanen494 Mt 3:7 leads me to Matthew 3:7 kjv= But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Is this the scripture that you're referencing?
So I married a woman who was married twice before me (it was my first marriage). She abended me and we ended up divorced. Since she was biblically married to one of the other two men, and not really married to me. I am basically free to marry. Correct?
Wrong - whether your partner was married before or not
The key question is whether Marriage is a Biblical covenant or a contract
- If its a contract two parties can agree to terminate the contract
- If Marriage is a covenant your marriage to your wife is also a biblical marriage and bound in heaven - it cannot be broken whilst you both live ....whatever she has done before she married you does not change your "marriage covenant"
Please give the scripture references. I enjoy the teaching BUT PLEASE give where in Scripture it says what you are saying so I can follow along. Chapter and verse. Thank you
If you go to David Pawsons website .co.uk and register for the explaining series books - you will find a copy of his book Remarriage that you can read online for free - there are many verses quoted chapter and verse
@@DavidPawsonMinistry
Ok thank you.
Amen!
He made one mistake, he said Paul wrote that a man who desires the office of a bishop should be the husband of one wife. Meaning that if he is remarried he should not be a leader in the church. Why would Paul not just say, if you are remarried (husband of more than one wife) your living in adultery anyhow.
40 years in the making and can't get it all right? Don't trust anyone.
I take it to mean that polygamy is ok, but a bishop should not be living polygamy.
Why would Paul have to say remarried when he said husband of one wife? It's the same thing
What about King David he had a few wives yet he was a man after God's own heart? I don't say I don t disagree with David Pawson but even Derek Prince second wife had been married before. Her first husband went off with another woman. This is a hard subject. If you hold David's view and speak this out or speak up, the issue is fudged. If you speak up about it you are accused of being judgemental.
that is exactly right. i personally believe it's a real heart issue, and people get married when God never ordained for them to be married. don't get me wrong, He will honor our free will decision to marry someone, but it may not be His perfect will for us to marry them. of course, God already knew we would, and He may allow it for a time and season, but it doesn't mean that we will stay married to them for the rest of our lives. that is reserved for the one person that God has truly ordained for us to marry, and for them to marry us.
i personally believe that "divorce and remarriage" really pertains to our personal belief in Jesus, and whether or not we choose to stay steady with Him or if we choose to stray away from Him and marry ourselves to false things.
Jesus brought the standard back to Genesis 2:23-24.
Not enough condemning polygamy in the new testament to make me think it infuriates God. Divorce is what upsets God.
@@lorinrichman6001 Wow that's a dangerous idea that you can divorce now if you feel it wasn't who God wanted you to marry. Bad bad bad advice!
@Simon Freelove according to the Old Testament, God made a covenant with David and his sons that their iniquities would not be held against them eternally, as were Saul's, but that they would only receive punishment for the wrongs they did while they were still living.
In John 4:17 Jesus said that the Samaritan woman was right in saying that she had no husband, even though she had been divorced 5 times.
That actually helps us out a lot with understanding that Jesus forgives divorces that occur before one comes to Him.
Could have only meant that they were deceased. God declared that He was still married to Israel after issuing a certificate of divorce in Jeremiah 3:14.
@@ajlouviere202
Jesus never tells anyone to do something that they can’t do.
That would be unrighteous
@@roblane5699 the topic you posed is in regard to the woman at the well being divorced 5 times. There is nothing to suggest she was divorced at all, or that divorce ends a marriage covenant according to Jeremiah 3:14.
@@ajlouviere202
1: Jesus said for her to bring her husband(He wouldn’t tell her that if they were all deceased)…. Sir, that means that she WAS married.
2:She said that she didn’t have a husband
3: JESUS SAID that she was correct in saying that she had no husband, and then Jesus went on to say that she had had 5 husbands. And that she she was currently with a man that was not her husband.
It’s very plain that the Samaritan woman was a 5 time divorcée. And in spite of that, Jesus offered her salvation without her having to return to her 1st husband.
There’s an understanding that many miss. Which is:
The Jews are those who “know” GOD. Jesus addresses them in Matt chapters 5 & 19
The Samaritan woman is one who”does not know” GOD. Jesus addresses those in John chapter 4.
Again, any divorce that occurs before one comes to “know” GOD can be forgiven.
But divorce is forbidden by those who “know” Him
@@roblane5699 Jesus was testing her to see if she would answer correctly. This is the same context as Matthew 22:23-28, where a woman was widowed 7 times.
2:30 40yrs in writing his book on divorce!!
i love jesus
Amen! What are your thoughts in regard to this topic?
I am Christian man and try very hard to follow God's laws however what happens when a wife divorces her husband without his consent? This has happened to me and I refused to be divorce and never will you find a signature with my name on any divorce papers. But what to do. Must I live alone in celibacy until my ex-wife dies? No, but I found another woman with the same thing, she refused to be divorced but her husband divorced her. We have been married now for over 15 years but we both think are we living in sin even though we both live in love with one another? I pray that God forgives us both. Then another question which is worse in the eyes of God fornication or adultery? God help me.
According to the Apostle Paul, in Galatians 5:19-21, the sin of fornication, as well as the sin of adultery, will prohibit those who do not repent, and turn from these sins, from any inheritance in the kingdom of God. Please consider this, and pray for the Lord's help to accept what the scriptures teach.
Pawson does say in his talks that the involved people need to ask The Lord what should be done. Then do whatever He is leading you to do. I've been single for 17 years from an unwanted divorce. It can be done. Edited to add: I would love it if my wife sought the Lord and came back into my life. But only God knows if that will happen.
Matthew 14:3
For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.
Doesn't this mean he took her from him? It doesn't say they were divorced.
Hello Sir, can you please explain Matthew 5:32?, here it appears there is an exception for divorce.
HI if you write to us contact@davidpawson.net we would be happy to send you a free copy of Davids book which has more details on this very question - alternatively you can read the book online for free by visiting explaining biblical truth.global ( no spaces) which has many of Davids books free to read some are free to download - this book is under a section called Free Online Books
Let me try to answer your question
Its important to read the whole Bible not just one verse which may be for a specific context - verses need to be read in the context for which they were written and we must take the bible as a whole , not base decisions on one verse if other verses help one build a full picture
Let me summarise what David teaches based on what the Bible says = please don't take what David says unless you check out the Bible for yourself
David Teaches that Matthew 5:32 was written specifically to Jewish believers - In context, after engagement, the Jewish betrothal period is 1 year before marriage - this engagement period is considered marriage in that there are very few circumstances where Engagement can be broken, you are betrothed to marry - committed to be married.
One of the grounds to break an Engagement is where it can be proven there has been Sexual Immorality
If one finds ones partner is not a virgin ie has committed sexual immorality outside of marriage, then that gives grounds to permit divorce.
This is specifically important in the case of Mary and Joseph - Joseph had legitimate grounds to divorce Mary because she was carrying a child that was not his - but Joseph remained faithful to her,, and betrothed to her, the fact she was carrying a child, that was not of Joseph, would have been a real issue to Mary and Josephs family.
Sexual Immorality gives grounds for divorce but that does not mean one has to divorce because of it
You have not asked the question but Davids Book is called Remarriage after Divorce...... We have to differentiate between divorce and remarriage. Based on Bible Scriptures David teaches that Marriage is a covenant not a Contract - Contracts are legal agreements which can be broken and contracts often give terms by which the contract can be broken - called Termination Clauses.
David teaches that the Bible is clear that Marriage is a covenant - covenants can only be broken by death. 1 Cor 7:39. Rom 7:2-3
So even if you divorce your partner, because of sexual immorality, marriage to another is adultery and in Old Testament Times was punishable by death (John Chpt 8)
Please read 1 Cor 7:10. Mark 10:2-12
Mark 10:4 And they said, MOSES suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. (Who? God did? NOOOOOOOO!!!! MOSES!!!! Twice God says this was not His command. One in the OT and once in the NT.)
What about when a man leaves a woman for another. Does that mean that woman would need to be alone until the husband comes back? What if he never comes back because he remarried and now has another family with kids?
This is a very difficult and often controversial subject to deal with. Because the answers may not what we want to hear
Its not important what others say , nor what David teaches but what is important is what does the Bible say ?
There are three answers to your question
- what does the Bible say
- what does culture an date law of teh land permit
- what do others say
The Lord God almighty is a just God but often we have to wait of that justice to come, what is important to David (and to myself) starts with what does the Bible says
The first key question is whether Marriage a Covenant or a Contract ?
- What does Jesus say in Luke 16:18? Mark 10 v 1-12?
If you believe Jesus taught that Marriage can be broken, you have your answer - however if Jesus teaches it is a Covenant then that can only be broken by death
The second question concerns grounds for divorce ........and depending on the first question above, if there are grounds for divorce does that permit remarriage ?
It's not whether 'he, the husband' comes back or not - the question is whether she is free ie can Marriage can be broken except by death ?. Romans 7 vs 1-3 1Cor 7:39 ?
@@grant2149 Do you know Micah 6:8?
What does God require of You ?
- to act justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your God
@1:18 minutes “Not Bound”
Matthew 12:28 NASBS
But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
One of a few other verses in Matthew where "God" is used. I simply cant buy the argument that Matthew avoided using the name of God, using Heaven instead.
You are correct Matthew 12:28 has been translated "then the Kingdom of God has come upon you "
NASBS. NIV. KJV etc
David point is that Matthew 'avoided' using the name of God in preference to using teh term Kingdom of Heaven
Reason? Matthews respect of his readers who were primarily Jews and teh fact that Jews feared mispronouncing the Holy Ones name would be dishonouring
I did a search and found
- only 4 references to the "Kingdom of God" in Matthews Gospel
but
- more than 30 (I believe) references where Matthew quotes the term the "Kingdom of Heaven"
David is making the observation the Kingdom of Heaven - is one and the same as the Kingdom of God - except Matthew tried to avoid using Gods name in respect to his readers ie Jews
This is in contrast to the other gospels that quote the term "Kingdom of God"
...... in fact I cannot find any reference to the "Kingdom of Heaven" quoted in the other gospels . That may or may not be true - just I cannot find any when I search
Are the facts:
- you will not find the Kingdom of Heaven in the other 3 Gospels
- the Kingdom of Heaven used far more times than Kingdom of God in Matthew's Gospel
...........not evidence in themselves, that Mathew was making a conscious decision to avoid using Gods name ?
What about abusive marriages? No comment on that..
Totally agree
If you are in an abusive marriage, you may separate from your spouse. If you separate, you must remain unmarried or be reconciled with your spouse (1 Corinthians 7:10-11). You can only remarry if your covenant spouse is dead (Romans 7:2-3 and 1 Corinthians 7:39).
@@godgavemeeyestosee Great, except the VERY passage that you quote EXPLICITLY states that a wife may NOT seperate from her husband.
@@grant2149 No. See 1 Cor 7.
@@kouta43210 If necessary, the abused spouse will be separating for the purpose of personal safety. The reason for the separation is not intended to be permanent, but temporary, which, unlike divorce, is intended to be a permanent separation. Hopefully, during the time of temporary separation, the abusive spouse will get help and stop being an abuser.
why is it so dark in the hall
They probably don't say anything bc Jesus also said pull the plank from your own eye first right? Or is that out of context???? Truly curious
So I married someone who was married before and we divorced does that make me free?
I would think so according to scripture if his other wife was still alive when u married. But I would be wary to rush into marriage after that. Make sure both you/he plan to follow God and are devout. Remember Paul's warning that your heart can be caught up with worldly troubles, you may be more likely to compromise God's will for you, because of too much focus on husband/family. Remember what Jesus said...those who loves others more than me, are not worthy of me. So pray hard about a new marriage. Make sure it's God's will..
Yes according my understanding
Yes
Yes...
Yes assuming she was his covenant spouse (1st marriage for both of them)
I found that single people never have a ministry ,this is my observation and experience ,my life has been a failure ,isn't Gods priority the Kingdom of God ?
wasn't a few of the apostles, like Paul, single?
@@bretoner2 we don't know
Do these commmands aoply to unbelievers who do not better? And what if they remarry and then become believers?
There are those who would indicate that Jesus’ direction regarding divorce and remarriage is a ‘law of Christ’ and therefore should not apply to the non-Christian.
However Jesus direction takes us back to the creation narrative in Genesis 2 where there is the basic law of marriage - male and female becoming one flesh. This is a universal principle in nature and has application to everyone whether Christian or non-Christian.
It is often said ignorance is not a legitimate defence - If I drive over the speed limit in a country - and I do not know what is the speed limit in that country, my ignorance does not change the fact - there is a law and I have broken it
One then has to consider whether Marriage is a covenant or a contract
- if Marriage is a covenant then the only way a covenant can be broken is by death
- when you get married you make an oath - a pledge - til death do us part - whether you are a believer or unbeliever this is a pledge you make - Adultery and divorce is a violation of the sacred bond of marriage. This applies to all.
I would start by saying Divorce and Remarriage is not an unforgivable sin - but if you carry on divorcing and remarrying after you become a believer then Hebrews 10:28 is very clear
All have sinned - and the consequence of sin is death - so if you are in such position the guidance ice have in the New Testament is clear to all who sin
1. Stop - don't keep repeating - turn away, stop doing the same thing thing time after time after time
2. Repent - go and seek forgiveness from those you have sinned against
What happens next?........ is personal matter between you and God - ask him what he would have you do and make sure you do it - and be careful with any advice that others tell you to do - including the above - check out what Gods word says and if thats not clear - ask God for wisdom
Below most bible (Matthew 19:10) is what the disciples respond after they hear from the Jesus massage about the marriage. (Matthew 19:9) Don't you think they are way over react to Jesus massage? Divorce is still consent if spouse cheat on the other. Why would they thought it's better not to marry.
(Matthew 19:10, NIV: "The disciples said to him, 'If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.'")
Please read this same Bible verses that I came across searching for the truth. I hope this help.
Hebraic Roots Bible - Matthew 19: 8 - 10
8 He said to them, In view of your hardheartedness, Moses allowed you to put away your wives. But from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, even if there is a charge of adultery, and shall marry another, that one commits adultery. And the one who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
10 His disciples said to him, "If such is the difficulty between husband and wife, it is not worthwhile to take a wife.
So they can divorce just not remarriage? What about women being beaten daily? Do they stay until beaten to death??
@@DavidPawsonAudio-Official Hello. Do you know if David had fellowship with remarried people in Churches/or housegroups etc? Or would he see that as something equal to 1 Cor 5 about not eating with a brother that fornicates, is greedy etc. And also bring being in adulterous relationship in this context? Do you know? I find it hard to do if people seemingly love the Lord and are very spiritual but they have a different view on the exception clause in Matt to fex inculde adultery.
@@givethanks6714 Hi its an interesting question but please read Davids biography - you will learn that David had to live with the situation where one of his dear children married someone who was divorced.
David was a man of no compromise - not even where it involved his own children, the price he had to pay was immeasurable .
@@DavidPawsonMinistry Thanks for answering! Oh wow.. Is there a place I can find his biography?
@@givethanks6714 HI we are uploading davids books, one by one, for everyone to read online for free, www.davidpawson.co.uk. however his biography is not one of the books uploaded yet - you could try online second hand book suppliers ? Its called
"Its not as bad ...as the truth"
@@DavidPawsonMinistry That is great!
Thank you. I'll look.
Yeshuas bar is higher than Moses... no serial monogamy no divorce...u can add not subtract...
Great presentation. When it is GOD ALMIGHTY who orchestrates a marriage, nothing will put it asunder! He will supply the forgiveness n the wisdom needed to overcome conflicts n challenges that arise in the relationship. Problem is, there are so many marriages that were NOT orchestrated by GOD; HE had absolutely nothing to do with them. No way GOD is going to hook you up with someone who batters you n kicked you down the stairs, someone who has a secret $500 a day cocaine addiction (discovered after the marriage), someone who has an STD and takes medication 💊, (again discovered after the marriage), someone though heterosexual, demands anal sex, and many other unpleasant discoveries after the marriage.
There are so many unusual n unsafe marital traps, that a personal RHEMA from the HOLY SPIRIT must be seeker to deal with such cases.
There's an awful lot of David Pawson here and not as much the bible.
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@Romans 10:9 how does this video not agree with Jesus's teaching on adultery?
This is the hard heart Jesus was talking about, repent and follow what God says about marriage. Do not commit adultery. David Pawson is consistent with the Bible teaching.
Matthew 19:6 NKJV
6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Romans 7:1-2 KJV
7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Matthew 19:8-9 KJV.
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Luke 16:18
18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
1 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV
10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1 Corinthians 7:27-28 (KJV)
Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
@@dariuschildofGod Good thing I'm not a Christian anymore and don't have to worry about following what some guys wrote 2,000+ years ago.
I'm exploring consensual non-monogamy these days. Just like the ol' biblical patriarchs. Well, I don't know how consensual they always were but I'm trying to be ethical anyway.
Here’s one thing. We know men were divorcing their wives all the time in the Old Testament. When we see the New Testament come to be through Christ, where are all the biblical examples of people divorcing as a show of repentance? The last story he told surely would have been the case for many many families, but not one example of divorce due to repentance can be found. Just saying if that’s what Christ really wanted people who were in this situation to do why do we not see anything like that in scripture? A decision to divorce to follow Christ.
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9. However, the wife, in the above scriptures, is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews (that Jesus was speaking to) were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39.
Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel.
The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death.
The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. Christ's death on the cross caused the Jews to become dead to the law of Moses, so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the ordinances of law of Moses as justification, over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the ordinances of the law is no longer possible, for Israel, and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15.
Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife.
Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned, by an unbelieving spouse, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way some translations word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not enslaved" which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, which is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 shows the Apostle Paul giving those who are abandoned permission to remarry, do not understand the command that Christ gives is to an abandoned husband, in 1 Corinthians 7:11, and that he "must not divorce" his wife, and his wife is commanded to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" to her husband. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh, due to one's unbelief, puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, and himself, by implying that Paul has issued an opposing command to verses 10-14 in verse 15.
Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16.
The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly in regard to virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife, do well if they marry, and those who choose not to marry their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unscriptural unions.
The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24.
Mark 10:1-12 and Matthew 19:1-12 both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans, and likewise Luke to evangelize the Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
I don't think Christ came to cause broken families. I don't think God pulled the rug out from under the Jews who were rightly divorced according to Moses' Law. That's pretty unfair!
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr no, he came to teach repentance of adultery, forgiveness of adultery, and reconciliation of those who have become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage.
@@ajlouviere202 So what do people do, in your opinion, who were born into unbelieving families, married someone, divorced, remarried, THEN became born again and are wondering how best to follow God? The divorce and remarriage has already happened. Now what?
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr it's not my opinion, but the actual teachings and commands of Christ.
Malachi 2:13-17
never marry more than 2o times
Marriage is dead we died to the law so we can now be married to Christ forever. Rom 7:4.
You are confused.
adultery on behalf of men is only by having the wife of another man not how it was proclaimed here. as well there's righteous polygyny which the Lord regulates in His commands!!! so the Scriptures of the Lord disagree with these. also the Law is holy and for us to grow in!!!
Well my Bible does not say that please let me know what version you have?
Matthew 19:9 - "marries another woman"....... not "another mans wife" as does :
Mark 10:11-12
Luke 16:18
and especially Matthew 5:27-28 where adultery relates to thought not even action
Where does the Bible regulate "righteous polygamy" through His commands?
yes because the woman is another man's wife in the eyes of the Lord that's why it would be adultery because the divorce was not righteous... about polygyny it's Exodus 21:10
Jesus was very clear in Mark 10:11-12 that marriage is to be a permanent bond between one man and one woman. To break it off and marry another is adultery
Whatever was permissible in the days of Moses was clarified by Jesus
absolutely agree
Thank God for Jesus 🙏 unless you're also going to tell me now that since I'm remarried I can't divorce but I'm stuck in sin and going to hell anyways
Separate the act of divorce - from remarriage ,.
The Bible gives grounds for divorce, however if you accept the Bible states Marriage is a covenant - one is only free to remarry when a partner dies - in which case you are released from covenant.
Let me say also divorce, remarriage and adultery are not unforgivable sins - but you do need to seek the Lords forgiveness for any sin in your life, repent and be baptised for the forgiveness of sin
And as Jesus said to the woman who was about to be stoned for adultery - go and sin no more !
@@DavidPawsonAudio-Official David I need your advice. What if I married someone that had already been previously married? Ironically she wants to divorce me now but I don’t know what to do? Do I leave so that I am released from adultery? Do I let the unbelieving partner depart? I am stuck in the middle.
@@GritLifeStyle let me ask you a question …..do you belive that marriage is a covenant relationship or a contract ? Whether she wants to divorce you or not are you prepared to fight to keep for your marriage ? Our future salvation is not dependent on what others do or say - it’s down to our faith in God and His Grace ……. and as Jesus said if we love him we will keep his commandments.
@@DavidPawsonAudio-Official Absolutely, I am willing to fight for my marriage and keep our covenant. I pray for her everyday that we can reconcile. After I got saved and committed my life to Christ, she said she doesn’t want to live my “lifestyle”. I have never force my new found love for Christ on her. Now I’m completely lost.
@@GritLifeStyle don’t be lost remember
trust in the Lord and lean not on your own understanding l, in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your ways Proverbs 3
“By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.””
John 13:35 NIV
As Paul uses marriage as metaphor for the church (Ephesians 5:21-33); Jeremiah used the husband as metaphor for God (Isaiah 54:5; Jeremiah 3:14; 31:32) and the adulterous wife as metaphor for Israel (Jeremiah 3:8-10).
God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) but He is also merciful and forgiving. God "divorced" His unfaithful wife, Israel having just cause as the faithful husband (Jeremiah 3:8-10).
But after sometime God's mercy intervenes that He wanted back faithless and unfaithful Israel. God invites His people Israel to "return" to Him and promises that His anger will end (Jeremiah 3:12).
God's love is stronger than His people's rebellion (Jeremiah 3:14-16). He commands them three times to return (Jeremiah 3:12, 14, 22).
They should be naked too and eat vegan...man fell
In this particular video Pawson is not actually stating definite doctrines, he is examining the main widely believed views, and then saying things like "the more I read about this stance the more I think it is right". That is almost saying nothing. That unfortunately is not a doctrine, it is a persuasion, and thus perhaps he wants to have his cake and eat it, he wants to sit on the fence for his own safety on the day of wrath, but say that the stricter view that "porneia" in Matthew means "fornication" as the KJV rightly interprets is most plausible. It is not enough. As such - even an atheist could have given such a sermon as this, and could have sat on the fence like him. I have made it absolutely clear in my teachings for over 20 years online, and 45 years in churches, the word "porneia" in Matthew 5:32 definitely means fornication, and that anyone saying it means adultery is a cause for a Christian to divorce their Christian spouse and remarry is a heretic, and that by sanctioning adulterous second marriage they have turned their church into a sex cult. That is pretty clear!!!
Unless I see in his other videos clear definite doctrines, rather than wishy washy statements like he is "persuaded one way" or "persuaded another", I will start to suspect he has visited websites were clear teachings are made, has repeated the content without attribution, but that he himself is a halfway man not able to take a proper stand. ANYONE can say what all 3 or 4 main stands are, and say in effect "I drift in this direction". He needs to make it absolutely clear to be of any real good "In Matthew 5:32 the word "porenia" is definitely speaking about a premarital sin". THAT is a doctrine. Get some faith man! However..... it may be that in other videos he uses more definite language instead of shuffling around the core center issues in a half baked fashion.
This video was recorded in 2011 when David published a book called Remarriage Is Adultery Unless ...... I can read this book free by visiting davidpawson.co.uk clicking on Free online books
If you listen to the talk David gave in 2013 ruclips.net/video/SpKNBw4j_6o/видео.html.
or the Interview he gave ruclips.net/video/ezbMGzHBYbc/видео.html. I think you will find his views very clear
The key question is whether Marriage is a covenant or a contract, I contract can be broken by mutual agreement ....you can only be released from a Covenant on death
There is then the question are there any exceptions - and Davids position is that there are no exceptions - what is often referred to as Jesus exception in Matthew 5 - Porneia - applies only to the Jewish Betrothal period and is not general "adultery" and many wish it to be
@@DavidPawsonMinistry Well he is WRONG. Porneia does apply to a marriage as well, as the Greek word used is DIVORCES his wife, except for porneia. A clear (deliberately extreme) example is a man who marries a woman who claims she is a virgin, who on the wedding bed is discovered to be covered in VD sores, and from her anatomy can be seen to have had a baby. She confesses immediately to her FORNICATIONS (porneia), but says he thought he loved her so would not hold it against her. This man can DIVORCE his wife, and yes she WAS his wife as marriage is a covenant, and without consummation it is still a marriage (or Jesus would be born illegitimate).
HOWEVER if any man finds his fiance has fornicated before marriage he can end the relationship too while engaged, but in the west the word "divorce" would not be germane.
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He keeps saying he’s not under Moses law but keep referencing it. Jesus constantly said What did Moses command ye? He also said I have not come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it. Jesus also gave his exception for remarriage. Say a spouse cheated (broke the marriage convenant by adultry) you forgave and this spouse continued to cheat. This person continually binds you to someone you have not agreed to be bound with (the third party not in the marriage). You divorce this person and remarry, find God, and repent of your sins. Are you and the new spouse in adultry? Mind you God Hates divorce. God also divorced Israel for playing the harlot.
Dorothy you are correct God divorced Israel- Jeremiah
David separates divorce from remarriage and the Bible clearly indicates reasons for divorce
God did divorce Israel and allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem but he never forgot them and at the determined time, blessed them and restored the Temple in Jerusalem - he never remarried another
It’s a matter of whether marriage is a contract that can be broken or a covenant that can not be broken - GOd divorced Israel but his covenant to Abraham remains
A divorce is a very sad break down in a relationship - which results in separation
If marriage is a convent .....and that’s a question ...... separation is not the same as ending the covenant vows
What we chose to believe is a personal choice
Dorothy you are correct God divorced Israel- Jeremiah
David separates divorce from remarriage and the Bible clearly indicates reasons for divorce
God did divorce Israel and allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem but He never forgot them nor did He forget his promise to Abraham and to David
At the appointed time, He blessed them and restored the Temple in Jerusalem - He never remarried another bride because of what he promised to Abraham and David
It’s a matter of whether marriage is a contract that can be broken or a covenant that can not be broken - GOD divorced Israel but his covenant to Abraham and David remains
A divorce is a very sad break down in a relationship - which results in separation
If marriage is a convent .....and that’s a question ...... separation is not the same as ending the covenant vows
Divorce today permits remarriage
Jesus gives one reason why you may Divorce your partner - Joseph chose not to Divorce Mary
What we believe is a personal choice
Dorothy you are correct God divorced Israel- Jeremiah
David separates divorce from remarriage and the Bible clearly indicates reasons for divorce
God did divorce Israel and allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem but He never forgot them nor did He forget his promise to Abraham and to David
At the appointed time, He blessed them and restored the Temple in Jerusalem - He never remarried another bride because of what he promised to Abraham and David
It’s a matter of whether marriage is a contract that can be broken or a covenant that can not be broken - GOD divorced Israel but his covenant to Abraham and David remains
A divorce is a very sad break down in a relationship - which results in separation
If marriage is a convent .....and that’s a question ...... separation is not the same as ending the covenant vows
Divorce today permits remarriage
Jesus gives one reason why you may Divorce your partner - Joseph chose not to Divorce Mary
What we believe is a personal choice
I looked at the Greek word in the bilinear Bible. The word Jesus used in Mathew was the word porneia. Meaning only one time what this man says but 21 times used as sexual immortality. Covering several forms including adultery, fornication, whoredom, and even idolitry. Look it up. I appreciate what this guy says but it's not completely accurate. He chose the example where it is only used one time and it was not the example in Mathew where Jesus gave his exception. These teachers are counting on the fact that people will be intimidated by using the Greek and nobody ever looks it up because they don't think they can understand it. Not true the tools we have now are very easy to use. Look it up yourself. Don't just take people's word for it no matter how smart they sound. Look it up yourself .
Have you read Genesis 38, the story of Judah and Tamar? It shows the proper context of fornication.
@@ajlouviere202 of course I have, psalms 119 says the sum of your word is truth. Scholarship 101 " no doctrine can and should not be set from any scripture that is taken OUT OF CONTEXT" This my problem with people looking for significance, and people groups who try to do the same. They filter the bible using their doctrines instead of filtering their doctrines with the bible. There has never been a church body of leaders that has EVER used ONE story to set up a doctrine, doctrines that any of us set into our lives should be gathered from multiple places of scripture that agree with each other. Now my original intent was to show that weather or not you agree with what the guy here is saying you should know that what he was saying about greek scripture was at best opinion of his own. The greek scripture says that pornia the word can be applied to ALL forms of sexual immorality. The man misrepresented scripture by saying that there is only one possible interpretation of this word. That shows both a bias and intent. Now people can try to cover up the truth all they want to, but in the end we must be convinced in our own mind before the Lord, and the Lord will deal with us accordingly. My intent was to merely show that the greek word did NOT just mean what this man was saying. When teachers don't reveal every side that they can it reveals motive. Sorry it's just fact and human nature.
@@frankhubbard8703
Genesis 38:12-26:
12And the days are multiplied, and the daughter of Shuah, Judah’s wife, dies; and Judah is comforted, and goes up to his sheep-shearers, he and Hirah his friend the Adullamite, to Timnath. 13And it is declared to Tamar, saying, “Behold, your husband’s father is going up to Timnath to shear his flock”; 14and she turns aside the garments of her widowhood from off her, and covers herself with a veil, and wraps herself up, and sits in the opening of Enayim, which [is] by the way to Timnath, for she has seen that Shelah has grown up, and she has not been given to him for a wife. 15And Judah sees her, and reckons her for a harlot, for she has covered her face, 16and he turns aside to her by the way and says, “Please come, let me come in to you,” for he has not known that she [is] his daughter-in-law; and she says, “What do you give to me, that you may come in to me?” 17And he says, “I send a kid of the goats from the flock.” And she says, “Do you give a pledge until you send [it]?” 18And he says, “What [is] the pledge that I give to you?” And she says, “Your seal, and your ribbon, and your staff which [is] in your hand”; and he gives to her, and goes in to her, and she conceives to him; 19and she rises, and goes, and turns aside her veil from off her, and puts on the garments of her widowhood.
20And Judah sends the kid of the goats by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive the pledge from the hand of the woman, and he has not found her. 21And he asks the men of her place, saying, “Where [is] the separated one-she in Enayim, by the way?” And they say, “There has not been in this [place] a separated one.” 22And he turns back to Judah and says, “I have not found her; and the men of the place also have said, There has not been in this [place] a separated one,” 23and Judah says, “Let her take to herself, lest we become despised; behold, I sent this kid, and you have not found her.”
24And it comes to pass about three months [after], that it is declared to Judah, saying, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar has committed fornication; and also, behold, she has conceived by fornication”: and Judah says, “Bring her out-and she is burned.” 25She is brought out, and she has sent to her husband’s father, saying, “To a man whose these [are], I [am] pregnant”; and she says, “Please discern whose these [are]-the seal, and the ribbons, and the staff.” 26And Judah discerns and says, “She has been more righteous than I, because that I did not give her to my son Shelah”; and he has not added to know her again.
@@ajlouviere202 Ok sir, I know the story. But it is clear to me that you don,t understand the issue so I will no longer be giving response after this. My issue was this man said that the language of Jesus' exception, IN THE GOSPELS, said something that it did not say, and it is clear to me that you don't understand this. Please understand my disagreement has nothing to do with weather or not you believe the topic or believe what the description of fornication is. My issue is that this man misrepresented what the greek said and that people should study for themselves. Since you avoided the entire subject of the greek and wrote out the entire story in the hebrew it is clear you don't understand so we are at an impasse. I hope that my objection did not disturb anyone. My point is still the same people should study these topics out for themselves and make up their own mind not just believe what others say simply because it's sounds nice that is NOT the way to the truth.
@@frankhubbard8703 are fornication and adultery the same sin, or are they separate sins with separate meanings? From the context of the scriptures, these are terms that are clearly used to describe sexual offenses from two seperate situations. What you note as "sexual immorality" is also termed as "fornication" depending on which translation you use, but what they indicate is in the same context of someone who is currently not on a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The confusion is caused by the fact that modern doctrine does not recognize that the Jewish people, during the time of Christ, also referred to the betrothed (engaged) as husband and wife (Deuteronomy 22:13-24, Matthew 1:18-20, Luke 2:5-7). This brings the term "sexual immorality" (fornication) into proper focus. Jesus makes a clear statement that adultery is the result of a divorce, and subsequent remarriage, not the cause. In fact, Jesus never lists any specific cause for divorce, and neither does the Old Testament, but only that "It hath been said" that in order to divorce let him give her a certificate of divorce (which the Pharisees already stated was for any reason), and then Jesus states the phrase: "except it be for fornication", which clearly means it was an exception to giving a certificate of divorce for any cause. The clear reason that you could not issue a certificate of divorce for her to become another man's wife is seen in Deuteronomy 22:13-21; 23-24. A betrothed wife caught having committed fornication was stoned to death, not given a certificate of divorce in accordance with Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage).
Understand the context and meaning of Jesus's words in these verses:
In Matthew 19:3 the Pharisees asked Jesus a question according to the law in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 about divorce for any cause.
In Matthew 19:4-6 we see Jesus reply by reciting the one-flesh covenant of marriage (God's law of marriage) in Genesis 2:23-24.
In Matthew 19:7-8 we see Jesus giving the Pharisees the reason that Moses wrote the precept (Deuteronomy 24:1-4), which was because of the hardness of the hearts of the Jews of the exodus (the wicked generation kept out of the promised land) against their wives.
In Matthew 19:9 Jesus affirms that the law in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 was for any reason "except for fornication" (Deuteronomy 22:13-21; 23-24) because it was unlawful to give a woman, guilty of a sexual offense, a certificate of divorce in order to become another man's wife. She was stoned to death, which freed the husband from the betrothal in order to seek another wife. However we see this is not a possibility, under the Law of Moses, which now causes the husband to commit adultery by marrying another woman.
Keep in mind that Mark 10:1-12 is the same biblical account as Matthew 19:1-12, but does not have a cause for fornication. The reason for this is because this account was written and given to the Gentiles who had no knowledge of the Law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-21; 23-24.
If my wife wrongly leaves me can I remarry?
I think his biblical argument is that if a wife leaves you wrongly, you should remain faithful until she dies. There is always the possibility of reconciliation. In God's eyes you will remain married unto death. Even the Prophet Hosea married someone that left, but God said take her back again. So at the very least you should error on the side of caution and stay faithful, lest you cause yourself, or the new spouse to become adulterers. Here's a great interview with good Q&A from David about this subject. Hope it helps. God bless :)
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No. If she is your and you are her first lawful wedded spouse, then only death dissolves the one-flesh union. Read Dr. Leslie McFall's THE BIBLICAL TEACHING ON DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE. And remember: " It's okay to be alone if you are FREE."
No pray her back he is the God of changing hearts. Have faith he did it for dual topical King Cyrus, king nebakanezzar, proverbs 21:1, Ezekiel 36&37, Paros heart, Jonah !!!
If she commits fornication, then yes. If she remarries, then yes, in my opinion. Otherwise, wait for her. I think God would want you to wait for her even if she commits fornication in hopes of reconciliation until she marries in which case reconciliation is impossible
Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Amen!