Use electrum as an "ancient currency" Like when your players search ancient ruins they would find electrum. No shop would accept it but some collector or historic would trade it for even more than it's worth in the PHB
Our campaigns use Electrum as a mean joke. "You find five-thousand gold points of coins in the loot purse. They look kind of weird though. . . When you try to spend them, the vendor gets confused. He's never seen these before. . . The banker says they're Electrum. She'll store them, but you won't earn interest and you can't withdraw them like currency. There'll also be a storage fee." Stuff like that. It's all in fun.
"They're not *physical* coins... but they're minted in the blockchain! Wizard crypto is much more reliable than normal bank money, trust me!" It's called crypto because it was invented by a lich 💀
@@kotzpenner I don't know how coinage actually comes into being in 5e, but we kinda go for the no-deface theory. Also, the electrum would need to be liquated. That requires hitting each melting point gap between the four metals which commonly make up the electrum alloy. Not impossible, but also not fun. Might be a fun plot point if someone is going through the massive expense to process electrum for recirculation as silver, gold, copper, and platinum coins. They would also need to be buying electrum below face value.
Be me a forever DM Starts adding annoying rules like carrying capacity and encumbrance to try not be DM anymore turns out my players loved the realism and now I will never not be the DM
I'm a gratuitous PC creator. In our online game, I play a character I did _not_ create. (We joined an in-progress campaign) In our *_home_* game... I'm the DM. It's been three years. I have a 94 PC backlog. I'll just have to turn them into NPC's if I ever want to use them, lol.
I can understand everyone's dislike of electrum but it makes perfect sense if you know a little bit about what it's made of. It's an alloy of gold and silver so it makes perfect sense that it would be a halfway point between the two.
True. Historically speaking (in some parts of Europe during the middle ages) one gold coin was wirth 20 silver coins. One electrum coin was worth 10 silver coins or half a gold coin. Sounds complicated, but non-decimal currencies were extremely common throughout history.
There's certainly an interesting use I've seen tossed around of keeping it around, but as like the intermediary 'trader's currency', where it's carried by traders so they don't have massive piles of silver on them, don't have extremely valuable gold pieces on them, and some money lender or major coin establishment can still easily break it down to copper and silver when dealing with commoners ad their needs. This also makes it useful as an extra gate if your players want to work as traders and item-sellers of random goods as they go around as well, as it still can limit their liquid funds. That and also granting it the older coin conversions of earlier editions where it essentially was 10 silver and then moved to like 5 electrum to 1 gold or something.
Electrum is peanuts. It could be way worse. Historically, currency being consistently decimal is a very recent thing. Hell, the United Kingdom didn't have a decimal currency until 1971. Also historically, kings and other rulers regularly changed the conversion rates between different denominations every five to ten years to make the ones they had the most of in their treasury worth more. And when they spent it all and their treasuries filled up with denominations that weren't worth much after the conversion, they changed the rates again. Could imagine the pain in the ass of having one gold be worth 17 silver or 112 copper, and then the plot sends you across the border to a different kingdom, where 1 gold is worth 7 electrum or 51 silver or 225 copper, and your foreign coinage is all of a different weight than local coinage and has to be sold as metal by weight instead of being able to convert as currency? Because that's kinda what it was like in medieval society.
If gold is twice as heavy (by volume) as silver and the coins weigh the same, I assume that gold is twenty times the value of silver by weight, so a gold coin is smaller than a silver.
5:45 I once had a character so poor that he just couldn't eat for days... I kept track at how long it would take him before he started gaining levels of exhaustion, so one day I had him boil and eat his own boots. Good thing he was a Goliath with good Con, so being barefoot was not much of a real hinderance. I then found out that like a single chicken is only a few copper each, instead of 5sp for a ration or something similar for inn food, so he finally could eat daily again and not starve in the middle of Waterdeep!
Your best bet is wheat for 1 cp a pound. Note that rations, in addition to costing 50 times as much, weigh two pounds for a day's worth instead of one.
Last time I played, rather than DMed was several years ago. However, I purchased, because I didn't know what to spend my money on and had some very large pocket dimensions (portable holes) and was level 10 and owned lots of land, 100 cows, and 500,000 chickens. Because I could and felt like it. Then I bred and sold the chickens in my downtime, and took 10,000 live chickens inside the pocket dimension on every adventure for food, and bartering with whatever creatures we encountered if I felt like it because my DM ruled the pocket dimension didn't let time pass while it was closed. To this day, 6 years later, I still wonder what to use them for. Though I have included references in several of my games to an interplanar chicken company. Everyone is confused by it and I always quietly laugh every time I bring it up.
As a DM, I mostly dismiss encumbrance rules unless my players try to carry an unreasonable amount of stuff. Taking the bandit captain’s scale mail doesn’t mean a weight check, but trying to walk around hauling 12 sets of half plate, I had a player try to do that, means we pull out the calculator. I’ll make them track their money if they want to carry thousands of coins, but I also provide the option to buy a homebrew Magic Item called the Coinpurse of Holding. For just 1 pound of weight, all your coins and trade bars, I use those too, are tucked away in a convenient pocket plane. They can carry as much money as they want without getting encumbered and thieves are a lot more interesting NPCs to use.
@@mnmnrt That's called being "cute" and is going to make most GMs dislike you and your antics. Fishing for exact values for "a reasonable amount" just so you can go one under merely invites the GM to make your experience miserable.
@@roguebansheesounds like the gm is a petty control freak 🤨 if the gm is going to ignore money weight but will enforce it entirely when someone wants to game the rules then why not play with the rule enforced to begin with? I don't think trying to benefit as much as a player can by just barely reaching money weight cap is "cute", they're playing by the gm's specified house rules lol
The only time I've seen Electrum actually used was in Curse of Strahd in Barovia and our party decided that Strahd truly was an evil man for forcing his people to use that currency.
I am running CoS and said to myself and my players that anyone with Electrum would have been killed or Strahd himself would obliterate you. In my other games, you either will get arrested and do forced labor for 25 years, or the universe will kill you in 15 seconds.
Our archer goes through 3-6 arrows PER ROUND. The quiver holds 20. The bag of holding takes a FULL ACTION to retrieve another bundle of arrows and put them in the quiver. This makes strategy in even mid-length combats meaningful. (another character trained his monkey to refill the quiver. I allowed it!)
You can also factor in that arrows also get recovered at a 1 to 2 ratio at the end of a fight (and enemy archers will no doubt have some), which acts as some of the balance between throwing, crossbows, bows and (theoretically) firearms. You can always recover a throwing weapon, arrows and bolts sometimes splinter at the end of combat but can be recovered, and basically all firearm rules, DMG or otherwise, destroy the ammo on shot. In theory, adds to the tactical level of the game, in practice, often gets thrown out the window cus people don't like doing paperwork in a game that demands 2-3 sheets to track a character.
Realistically, an archer could carry more than one quiver, such as one on the shoulder and one on each hip, or even 2-3 on the shoulder. Quivers are not heavy nor that large
Darkvision in darkness only gives disadvantage to perception rolls that *require* sight. Remember, being invisible doesn't give advantage to stealth rolls. Being blind doesn't make you auto fail perception checks to notice enemies either, for the same reason. .
Which makes it really strange when a dungeon is improperly lit. It just makes it harder for you to defend your place. That’s probably one of many reasons DMs forget that aspect.
@@MultiKbarry Depends on the dungeon setting as well. It makes more sense for a wild or more natural area to be improperly lit, but something inhabited by non-darkvision races really should have more light sources.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 It can be funny to think about the big bad of the campaign deciding to not light their dungeon/camp/cave. Then later on the party just sneaks by everyone since they can barely see. Even stuff like skeletons get the penalty.
@@MultiKbarry ngl 'undead who has no eyes have disadvantage in the dark' feels like one of those 'I understand the council has come to a decision but as it's a dumb one I choose to ignore it' sorta deals.
I was in a campaign that used encumberance as well as coin weight. It was miserable. The only person who wasn't constantly struggling with weight limits was the barbarian. Every 50 gold was a pound, which is also the cost per spell level for a wizard to copy a spell into their spellbook. The GM also ruled most places couldn't neatly exchange silver to gold, if at all, because most businesses operate using silver and copper (despite the fact almost everything you can buy in the 5e books costs at least 1 gold). So if you wanted to copy three 3rd level spells into your spellbook, you had to be lugging 90 pounds of silver pieces around with you while you searched for your spells of choice. Along with your 11 pound scholar's pack, 4 pound quarterstaff, 5 pound light crossbow, 4 pound robe, and 3 pound spellbook. Someone literally multiclassed into artificer so they could make a bag of holding to use as a glorified wallet because so much of the campaign became struggling with small change. Imagine carrying all of the dimes with you that it would take to afford a gaming laptop.
Sounds great. I mean, if you're going that far (my table does) then you can do other things. The spell copying requires "special inks and supplies" worth 50 gold per level, not the raw coinage itself. It's similar to how holy water requires 5 pounds of silver and 1 of water to make but a flask of the stuff only weighs 1. You can also use banks, have wealth in gems, art and jewelry, and other less liquid assets (shares in a company, taxing rights, deeds to lands with natural resources, etc). Personally my players like raw and cut gems, as those are the least finicky to get appraised and paid fairly for, but then again we don't usually have high CHA negotiators.
@@fnzer0 It was absolutely horrific. Nobody liked it, and the campaign self-destructed because of it. No such thing as central banking, and the country was in turmoil. When I say we had to lug our coin, I really meant it.
So, fun fact, this right here is exactly why the spell Tenser's Floating Disk exists. That was literally its purpose, to carry Gyxaxian coinage and treasure nonsense around. It sounds like your GM was being a hardass for the sake of it, because when the whole party complains, especially on something so insignificant, you really should concede and bend your own rules somehow for them, or else you lose your game... Even though I did it because I accidentally broke the economy by forgetting coins are 10's not 100's, I think if you're gonna keep track of money especially in a physical way it would be *insanity* not to have coin denominations within the strata. If everyone does business in silvers I cannot imagine how anyone buys anything in bulk without being able to exchange coins if they have to deal with them in such volumes...
@@Tabledar Yeah, table consensus is king. Though you don't "need" central banking, checks aren't exactly new technology. I'll also assume any mounts or vehicles weren't something your table was interested to deal with? I've had my share of problems defending donkeys and ox in travels, or using the mount from summon steed as backup wagon puller.
@@fnzer0 I'd chalk this up more to the DM not making this aspect very congruent with the rest of the game. The last campaign I went through lasted 2 years and we all used coin weight and encumbrance. It was never an issue for a few reasons: 1) Our DM allowed for easy changing of coin in any decently sized town including changing GP for Plat to cut down on weight. 2) Always giving us opportunities to use that money for stuff. Like how we had to go undercover at a fancy party so we needed to buy some bougie clothes for ourselves. 3) This one isn't going to be applicable to every game, but we had a headquarters of sorts in the main city where we could offload items that we wanted to keep without lugging them around everywhere. An alternative, if your party is constantly pressing forward into new territory, would be finding a way to give your players a decent sized covered wagon as a sort of mobile base so they aren't limited to just carrying what they can shove in their backpack or using a Bag of Holding.
I like electrum pieces ever since I learned it's a real thing, it's a natural alloy of Silver and Gold that can be found in the wild. I also always keep track of my own ammunition amount, even if I never enforce my players to do so when I dm.
Fun fact, I actually made it through the _entire_ Tomb of Annihilation hardcover/module as an archer character tracking ammunition as per PHB, including recovery rules, as a sort of self-imposed challenge. I still ended up doing _crazy_ dps the entire time.
I've always used electrum as "tokens of favor" that a guild or crime ring might use rather than a currency. Think continental coins from John Wick. They aren't technically money but access to certain perks.
You could further apply that the five silver is the monetary value if sold, since most places that do this will often keep track of who they give their tokens to in order to avoid someone stealing the favor. Selling one would not be worth the cost of a favor, but it would be worth the cost of the metal.
Yeah, it's *only* an autofail on attack rolls. Although, I suppose if the party is playing a lot of skill-based characters, such as Rouge or Eloquence Bard, who can have obscene bonuses to certain skills or have an auto-ten, I could see a DM wanting to still have risks or failure possibility for said rolls.
@Nikkidafox Generally, it's not supposed to be, unless it's an attack roll. Skill checks and saving throws can have DC's that are impossible, such as the Immovable Rod having a DC 30 strength check. Most creatures, even with a 20, can't succeed.
@@Nikkidafox A nat20 is not always a success. That's a house rule. And it's fine to say if one is true, it's fair for the other to be true, but if you're going RAW neither of those rules is true.
I use electrum! The reason it messes up the order is that it's arguably the most important amount of currency to get actual stuff done. Small daily expenses (ale, bread) are usually silver and copper, big expenses (large objects, fancy things, expensive services) are gold, huge expenses (magic items, real estate) are platinum, but medium expenses (trip to the market, single handmade object) benefit from having their own denomination. Try to think of it like this: 1GP is one night in an inn and a meal. The closest modern equivalent I can think of is the various inns you'll find on pilgrimage routes. On the pilgrimage of Compostela, you can typically get a night for 20 to 30€ and a meal for 15. So 1 GP is about 40€. That would then mean that 1SP is about 4€. A gallon of ale (2SP) turns out to be about 8€, a mug (4CP) is 1€60, and a loaf of bread (80¢). That price for bread is about right for a loaf 3/4 the size of a baguette. That price is cheap for beer, but consider that it's not an industrially produced recipe fine-tuned with a dozen ingredients and drunk solely for pleasure. When you account for the ale being home made; not fermented for very long and quite weak; basically just a bucket of wheat, yeast, hops and water; often made as a means of reducing the risk of getting sick from drinking potentially tainted water; it makes sense that the ale is cheap. With that approximate value established, we know that 1 electrum is basically a 20€ bill, which is a very useful amount of currency. Once you start thinking of its value that way and think to use it, it pops up a lot. If there was no denomination between the 5€/$5 bill and the 50€/50$ bill, something would seriously be missing. Are you going to break a 50 to pay for 20€ worth of stuff only to end up with six 5€ bills in change? Yes it's slightly easier to ignore the EP when you're writing numbers on a character sheet, but when you think of it from the point of view of the characters, it makes way more sense to use EP and I think it's more immersive. You could also go a different route and use EP like $2 bills. They're an official denomination, but quite rare, and maybe there are Electrum Piece collectors who value them more than their face value. Maybe the ones from other kingdoms or specific years are worth more.
Seems logical. Do you also abstract things so that coinage is always automatically grouped up to the largest possible denominations (the "color me up" concept in IRL casinos)? Like if I got +20 silver over the course of a dungeon run, I wouldn't write it down as "+20sp", I'd just write it as "+2gp" instead, since the _total value_ of your money is what matters, not in what denominations it is (or I suppose keep track of specific coins in a dungeon, then upon going to a shop, automatically "color up" to the largest valid coins).
@@WackoMcGoose The way we do it at my table is that they add what I tell them when adventuring and when they get to a town, they can generally reshuffle their currency. I assume they find places of business willing to minimize their currency weight. We do it this way because we take coin weight into account, so 200 silver is very different from 2 platinum. We used to not track coin weight until we realized my character (I was a player at the time) had ended up collecting several thousand gold, which worked out to more than double my horse's carrying capacity. If my players need to carry a fortune, they can buy gems in large cities and some mining towns. They generally can't use their gems as currency without it depreciating in value somewhat, but they _can_ buy and resell them at the DMG-specified price and suffer no loss.
When it comes to lifestyle expenses, numerous spells and abilities make surviving for free absolutely trivial. On the other hand, it's also reasonable that most characters would want some kind of a lifestyle for the same reason you and I spent our money on computers and furniture instead of choosing to live in a cardboard shack.
@@mnmnrt You might have a computer for work, but mine is a gaming machine that I don't need. Likewise, I might need a straw mat or a sleeping bag, but I don't need a proper bed frame and a comfy armchair. My larger point is that real people spend money on things they want but don't need, and we should assume our D&D characters will do the same.
@@mnmnrt Of course you will. Now if you look at all the characters you've played, would it seem reasonable that they would all live spartan lifestyles with no luxuries whatsoever? If you were deciding what your character does, would that be the answer every time? Hey, maybe it would. Like you said, I don't get to decide what your character buys.
coins all being the same weight makes sense because they have different shapes and sizes. now, the illustrations of said coins don't make sense in like of real metal weights, since it seems like the standard coinage gets uniformly larger the more valuable the coin is. but if you ignore the screwups that Wizards makes, you can make it make sense
The metal a coin is made of need not have any bearing on its value, and in a world where magic can create anything, it's almost guaranteed that it won't
@@mnmnrtyou mean that material of which coin is made plus all the work around it is worth more than coin is worth? Though it only applies to coins, because printing money as banknotes is very cheap
Oh my friend, I use 'hardcore' currency, classic British standard rates: 12 coppers (pence) per silver (shillings), 20 silver per gold (pound). I typically don't bother with electrum still there, but I've used the traditional 2 EP per GP and a more flexible intermediate 4 EP per GP - they're just denominations of coins, after all, though I like to keep it simple. Fun fact - the later, more consistent denominations held the shilling coins at 1/20th of a pound (0.8 ounces), meaning that the gold pound coin was literally worth one pound of silver - hence Pound Sterling (Silver). Players usually are resistant to it initially having grown up with decimalized currencies, but usually find it easier to divide up amongst each other after a little bit of familiarization, since 240 (the number of coppers/pennies per gold/pound) is a highly composite number. It's really useful in parties of 3 or 4.
Generally the only ammunition I track in my games is the magical kind, since they lose their magic after use and are often in shorter supply compared to the surplus of nonmagical ammunition those players have.
This has been the most real video I've seen on ignored rules. Some of them are so used to being ignored that you forget they are rules in the first place.
It is D&D, rules are quite literally there to be ignored so long as they are uniformly ignored by everyone involved. Remember always: the GM handbook almost literally says to do exactly this in order to facilitate a good time for you and your players.
To your first point about Electrum: I use them specifically as the "magical" ingredient in comissioning magical items. Want to make an item instead of find it? Now you need its requisite cost in Gold PLUS a pre-determined (by me) amount of Electrum that will serve as the magical conduit and help bind the magic to your item. Makes Electrum actually *worth* something to the party, and explains its lack of common use and rarity.
One of the many reasons I typically form parties around a ship is getting around tedious rules. Two tons of gold on the ship? No problem. Also some nice clothes when the mission calls for it. No need to haul several outfits in a huge pack. Plus you can bring your favorite NPCs along or leave them to wait in the ship.
A mobile stronghold is great and creates stress about guarding it during dungeon dives. The more long rests in the dungeon the less of their wealth remaining in the ship after they return.
DnD becoming streamlined and extremely appealing to the casual market via podcasts and shows makes it not surprising at all that some rules would be bent or outright not used at all. Trying to rule lawyer with a group of fresh players who only now have discovered that TTRPGs are a thing isnt going to be fun for anyone.
Eh, I ignore a lot of these rules and don’t engage with the podcast/live show scene often. I’d sooner blame that out of a book with these many rules, some were bound to be ignored in favor of more streamlined ones
A lot of these were rules my group of friends were ignoring in 3E like 20 years ago. Having to constantly erase things on a page is annoying, especially if it rarely seems to have an actual benefit. If anything a lot of the annoying busy work stuff like ammo and weight have seen a resurgence due virtual table tops helping track it. Heck even electrum isn't a big deal with a convert button.
@@Janx14 Every group is different, like if you dont want to keep erasing things then why not turn items or currency into physical things like tokens and cards with information on them. Its all about problem solving.
@@Janx14Honestly, for ammo and gold, I’d just have like a sheet of notebook paper to strike through or run tallies on. Say I got 50 arrows, and we’re bothering with ammo, I’m marking a tally for every shot taken. Then just jot the end session values on the back of your sheet for next time.
@Blaine - the reason Electrum is still there is because it goes back to BECMI/AD&D. There, it was 10 copper = 1 silver, 5 silver = 1 electrum or 10 silver = 1 gold, 2 electrum = 1 gold, and finally, 5 gold = 1 platinum. So you can see, it wasn't always a multiple of 10 even in the beginning. A lot of us groggnars always thought of it this way: 1 copper = 1 penny 1 silver = 1 dime 1 electrum = a half dollar 1 gold = a dollar 1 platinum = 5 dollars
I somehow talked my parents into doing a one-shot at Christmas, and my dad loved pointing out at every opportunity that his character could see in the dark because he had darkvision. He was a bit disappointed when he realized that the other two players (my mom and my wife) also were playing characters with darkvision.
One that people forget is that spellcasters need a free hand to cast spells with somatic components. Even Baldur’s Gate 3 ignores this rule because it’s kinda limited. You just have your staff and your spells, no dual-wielding or shield.
The rules for material components state at the end: A spellcaster must have a hand free to access these components, but it can be the same hand that he or she uses to perform somatic components. Also, a cleric or paladin can use a shield with religious symbol as a material component replacement, and likewise use it to perform somatic components at the same time.
@@PikaPenny17 Only if the spell contains both somatic and material components. If it just requires somatic then they can't use their focus, that is the point of the Warcaster feat.
@@makuresWhich actually makes artificer's brand of spellcasting unique because it requires them to use a focus or a tool they are proficient with when casting, giving every spell they cast the material component tag if it doesn't already. Which actually ends up helping in those cases of "somatic only" spells because now they can always just use the same hand as their casting focus.
@@PikaPenny17 Except artificers, again, are a special case and can't. They aren't even proficient with arcane foci and have to either use tools they are proficient with (either thieves tools or another set of artisan's tools) or with an item containing one of their infusions; they have to use one for every spell they cast and can't use a component pouch. But as I said, it actually works out well for them especially level 2 and on. They can just infuse either their weapon or a shield and now can use the hand with that item as the hand for every spell with the other being free naturally. For example, the Shield spell doesn't normally have material components and thus would normally require a free hand or the Warcaster feat to cast if both hands are occupied. But a Battle Smith Artificer with, say, the Enhance Weapon infusion on a longsword or Enhance Defense on a shield can cast Shield using the weapon/shield hand and still have the other in the opposite hand, because artificer spellcasting puts the M component on the Shield spell now.
3:20 Had this exact thing happen to me and my party. Luckily, I was playing an artificer and took bag of holding for one of my infusions, as well as gauntlets of ogre power for increased carrying capacity. My character was easily the richest for the rest of the campaign.
I had a player once insist on using Electrum for a campaign. I did not feel like the split currency, so I just made it where 10 Silver = 1 Electrum, and 10 Electrum = 1 Gold. The player then complained that they wanted to have the currency as written in the rules, because they were tired of DMs skipping things that are in the books... so I added coin weight and enforced keeping track of it. That player did not returned for subsequent campaigns.
Electrum is just the $2 bill of DND, but only worth a half dollar. 10 Pennie’s for a dime, 10 dimes for a dollar, ap dollars in a $10 bill, ten $10 bills in a $100 bill. It’s just a half dollar, but with the historical reputation of a $2 bill
Electrum is historically correct - a naturally occurring alloy of silver + gold with traces of other metals such as copper. It WAS used in coins and jewelry during and before the Greek Empire. In my world, the empire south of the player's home country mints electrum coins. If handled correctly, the alloy is very immersive. It is also correct.
* Easy Solution For Ammo: Just keep a handful of pennies on hand. Every time you fire a shot, toss a penny back into whatever "don't use" box you've got. * Easy Solution For Encumbrance: Give each item a non-weight value of 0 (meaning the item must be in a certain amount to equal 1) to 10, and give each player a set of value boxes they could fill with tokens (think of it like the resident evil 4 weapon case, but a lot smaller). Your size determines how many columns you get, while your strength score determines how many rows.
It’s supposed to be an action? The game I just played on Wednesday, dm let it be a free action. (I picked up a drow body to use as a makeshift shield because our party was taken captive and had no weapons or armor)
From what I know, picking up an object is free once per turn. Using an object (health potion for example) is an action unless you're a thief who can do that as a bonus action.
@@Gamemaniac92711 I think it's in one of those wibbly zones where it depends on what the item you're interacting with is. Like, drawing your sword or pushing a door open is free, but doing something like managing a complex (but not so complex that it would require a check) latch system might be an action.
Depends on what it is. You get one free interaction per turn, which can be used to do things like pull a lever, open a door, pick up an item, or swap weapons. You only get one per turn, so you can't both swap weapons and open a door. You generally can't use your interaction to use magic items (because they usually say "as an action" in their text). See PHB Chapter 9 -> The Order of Combat -> Your Turn -> Other activity on your turn
Electrum probably got added to D&D because the stuff has been used in coins since the 7th Century BCE, so if it wasn't there, that's breaking our immersion. Also, it adds that bit of realism that most currency systems have were something just doesn't make any freaking sense, like Britain's traditional non-decimal coins and whatever reason the US has for trying to make dollar coins for the past 50 years that always turn out the same size as a quarter coin.
I'm pretty sure US dollar coins are a bit bigger than a quarter. And usually US dollar coins are more along the lines of collectible memorabilia instead of a full-blown currency
Dollar coins are not the same size as quarters. Ignoring the old silver dollar, they are bigger than quarters by .25mm, but smaller than half-dollars by .15mm. Also, the US has been waffling between coins and bills for dollars because of cost of production. The problem is, which one is cheaper to make keeps fluctuating. For a time, coins were cheaper because coins in general last longer bills while in circulation, but now the bills are made stronger and thus last longer than they used to, and thus they have become cheaper than the coins are to produce and circulate. Now they're looking at changing the materials in a dollar coin to make it cheaper to produce again, which will flip the balance once more.
@@clarehidalgo It's nice to have coins that are actually worth carrying. Quarters are useless and single-dollar bills just pad out the wallet. EDIT: Plus dancers up here get better tips by default, after all, how are you going to slip them a coin?
We mostly use lifestyle expenses... but the DM just told us that we are having a mandatory 6-month downtime, to which i asked, "I assume we will at least earn enough to live over that time... right?"
I somewhat disagree with the coin comments. Yes, electrum isn't really providing any value, so I agree with ignoring it, but I think it still makes sense as a currency. If we imagine that 1cp is used roughly like we use $1 (which seems about right for the scale of expenses), then an electrum is a $50 bill, which is completely normal. By that logic there could also easily be a 5cp or 2sp valued coin (to match the $5 and $20). So it is one of those things that make sense to me for a world, but I agree is overly detailed for a game. As for gold and silver coins having the same weight: I just assume that they aren't the same size (like many real-world coins) and that "gold coins" probably aren't pure gold. And all coins having the same weight is again a simplification to make the math easier.
Same. But we go just a little more. The full amount can be recovered IF someone has the Mending cantrip plus the full amount of time per arrow. It does take one minute to repair a break with Mending. Also if someone is proficient with Woodworking Tools then they can make arrows as per Xanathar’s. Well provided they can source the wood needed. I suppose if someone in our group has Tinkering Tools they could also repair arrows but that one hasn’t come up.
The problem with Electrum is that it is a perfectly legitimate coin, but the lack of other denominations is what makes it so weird. In the current day we have three denominations for every 10 increment: 1, 2 and 5. Electrum is the 5. But there is no 2, nor are there 2 and 5 for the copper to silver and gold to platinum transitions. The weight of coins in 3rd edition was 1/50 of a pound. That meant every 50 coins weighed 1lb. This made calculations much easier.
I remember being in a game where my party got electrum in a loot pile and everyone started arguing about how to split it loot-wise From that moment I decided to never include it in my games
I've got another one for you: Social interactions. The DMG has a whole social interaction system that's actually really nice, but almost no one even knows it exists because it's in the DMG. It works on three "dispositions" which affect the DC for persuading someone to help you. You can determine through roleplay or through insight rolls (which makes insight actually USEFUL aside from being the "lie detector" skill) certain traits like an NPC's motives or desires which can help you to swing their disposition towards friendly. It's only THEN that you can make your persuasion/intimidation/deception roll to try and get them to help.
with money i remind people that gems trade at value, they are very light for their value, and as such they are probably what adventurers turn most of their wealth into for trade. coins are for making change. even gold coins.
life style expenses last maybe the first 3 sessions of the campaign until the story starts. after that, the party is always on the move and just rent rooms at whatever tavern they are in and seem to just drop gold pieces like its candy for some reason.
The fact that the book contains so many rules that people ignore really speaks to a larger problem for the actual design of modern D&D. You can't play old editions of D&D properly without many of these rules, otherwise you lose much of the game's intended play and erase the value given to things like time, spells, and magic items. Makes me wonder why the new game even bothers to add them.
We use all of these except living expenses, and I mean with the only downtime we get is like the occasional night at an inn in a small town where it's the only option other than camping outside there's no real opportunity for it. The same niche of rules in are very much used in the shadowrun game I use, so downtime for using karma is limited by having to keep up with the bills on top of trying to get more money to buy better toys.
Hello, number 2 electrum fan. I like it in a way of roleplaying, how the greedy tyrant ruler is only paying the workers in electrum and keeping all the gold for himself to a draconic standard for example.
Oversized weapon rule. Most people either don't want to bother looking it up cause it's hard to find and not mentioned in places it should be, or DMs don't want players to get the full advantage out of spells and classes that are made to use it. Basically, for every size category above their normal size a character and their weapon is increased, the damage doubles. So a medium character with a 1d6 weapon going to large would deal 2d6, and going to huge would deal 3d6. This makes certain class features and spells every effective as it can be a great boost to a melee class's damage output. But without it without it they offer trivial benefit at best.
I saw a video where they said there was some debate on whether that rule actually applies to player characters or just enemies. The runeknight gets a size increase and there is no mention of that rule at all. Neither in the size changing spells.
Ah yes, my drow who's spent so long underground that being in the sun gives them disadvantage is going to have a disadvantage granting hard time in the dark. Logic. Makes sense. 10/10.
You can think of them as a standard vampire, such as those in Drew Hayes's universe. Direct sunlight, eg a sunbeam, is trouble, but they can walk around in shady areas no trouble. Heavy clothing, a black umbrella, gloves, sunblock all help. Note that you can see somewhat through a cheap black plastic bag in full light.
One workaround I had for ammunition being boring was having guns require you to load gold for each clip as the only company that has figured out how to make these guns has aapplied magic to make acquiring bullets convient… but expensive. Suddenly players started calculating whether or not it was worth to use the guns way way more
Legends Of Avantris (The DnD group with Chuckles the clown) has a hardcore DnD campaign called Icebound in which they very much do care about the weight of gold and wood and food, they use exhaustion rules if the crew hasn't eaten or slept for long enough, they count how much ammo the ranger has and she has to sometimes fletch more arrows when they have downtime, and the druid actually needs to have his specific components or he can't cast his spells. It's a great series and it feels like there's real stakes to every decision.
Coins can have the same weight as other coins - you don't actually care, it's about the relative value of the metal. But yes, seeing as D&D likes to play funny number games and lists _everything_ above Tier 1 play often in _thousands_ (or _tens_ of thousands) of gold coins, it really is silly to try to account for _all_ of that weight.
I feel silly asking, but would you happen to have a link to the art/artist for the thumbnail? I really enjoy clockwork/mechanical girl art, and wanted to see more
I once replaced the Electrum spot for an original currency that was used in a city wgich was in a demi-plane. Copper, Silver, and Gold were pretty useless there so they had to make due.
I only ignore weight as long as players only carry a reasonable amount of stuff. If they try and carry 8 large dragon bones with a Strength of 7, im going to politely ask how much they can carry.
So the clockwork woman on the front, is she just some art you found or is a playable race, and can I find it in the Anime 5e thing in the description (and which pack it is is)
At my table: The first magic item that appears in any characters inventory is always a bag of holding. Low magic setting? Plot hook, it is a heirloom and the player must hide the fact that it is magic. If starting from level 1 it is in the first dungeon or can be purchased for a low price from a passing merchant for the price of a pack mule. Bonus points if it latter turns out to be a sleeping bag of devouring.
Meanwhile over in my game literally no one has a bag of holding... I'm really lax on encumbrance and what you can carry, but either no one rolled one from the freebies I gave out during character creation or they're level 1 and had no such items yet... They're managing, at least. Someone DOES have a Portable Hole though and I have come to absolutely love the portable hole and if given a choice I would legitimately pick it over the bag. Yes, it's less convenient, but the *things* you can do with that dang thing... Until his wagon got destroyed by being caught in a *literal tornado* he'd put it on the inside of the wagon while they were stopped so more people could rest inside its relative safety. In dangerous territory he had the smaller characters plaster it on the underside of the wagon and climb inside. While infiltrating a castle, he used it to hide from their autonomous guards AND to scale the sides of the higher parts by having everyone but his familiar climb inside and had his familiar scoop it off the table or wall and carry it. Even in the worst case scenario where the familiar got blasted it's only a DC10 strength check to climb out of a closed portable hole and it looks like nothing more than a nearly invisible piece of fabric in darkness. One of the kids he's escorting said that if she owned one, she'd put up paneling inside and turn it into a deployable bedroom and I fucking love that idea so much I might use it the next time I'm a player.
Electrum is cool if you make it the exclusive currency of a given location in a campaign. Force players find a way to get there hands on some or risk going without supplies for a given run. But don't tell them, just sprinkle some in here or there and see if they exchange it. Lol
While coin weight can be annoying, it's not really obnoxious to keep track of. 50 coins = 1lb. Therefore each coin is 0.02 lb. Easiest way to keep track of it would just divide your coin count by 50 rounded down. Also the fact that coins all have the same weight still makes sense. Not only does it make them easy to weight, but the can just be different sizes to accomplish that. Fun fact; The US Dine and Nickel are almost the exact same weight, but the dime is like half the volume.
Electrum was a hold over from earlier editions when gold was worth 20 silver, and electrum was 10 silver. Platinum was 5 gold, or 10 electrum. So you ended up with a decimal system except for the base coin, gold.
Downtime activities actually require a certain level of comfort to do. Running a business requires a modest living while working can be done at any level
In real life silver is worth about 1/100 that of gold by weight. So by modern weights and standards a silver coin worth 1/10 of a gold coin should also be 1/10 the weight per piece making it a great deal smaller. I think for realism sake electrum which is an alloy of gold silver and a smidgeon of copper should be 1/10 gold with silver 1/10 electrum then you would have coins all about the same weight and have appropriate value, granted the gold piece would still be half the volume considering the much higher density of gold but for weight it's about right.
When my characters get paid in AL I always take it in platinum and gems with some gold and silver pocket change to pick up bar tabs, although I do play with encumbrance.
Electrum is a blend of silver and gold, whereas all others are pure metals. Makes sense that it's an in-between, and you shouldn't treat it as a main coin. Just be glad you don't need to deal with billon or rose gold as well.
Personally I rule Darkvision as like the vision of a cat, you can't see if there's no light, so you don't have disadvantage on perception checks based on sight during night time and you can see in a pitch black room with almost no light coming through, but if you're in the depths of a dungeon 30 feet under ground with multiple doors blocking light, there is no light to allow you to see, so unless you got magic eyes you can't see.
I love tracking ammo, weight, coins, etc. One of my favourite moments in a dnd game was killing a dragon by throwing my bow at it because I was out of ammo.
Even as someone that not only tracks ammunition but also willingly uses PF1's carrying capacity which has 3 levels of encumbrance instead of just 1, I do not keep track of the weight of coins and I do not care if my players keep track of it.
*cough* Definitely not me taking electrum and making it the only acceptable currency with extremely old vendors… it’s also acceptable as a replacement currency for gold in spells and such due to copper being equally conductive.
Ok, coins having weight actually **did** come up in a campaign i was playing. Somehow, my character amassed over 20 THOUSAND GP (possibly even more), so the DM ended up needing to give me a bag of holding just for my GP (which idk off the top of my head if that was enough or not)
I am a weird guy who likes tracking Encumbrance and ammo and even I dislike coin weight. In my games, while you do need to worry about encumbrance, you can essentially carry infinite coins. "You find a dragons hoard. It has a total of 100,000 GP so add 25,000 GP to your sheet for your share of the loot."
Tbh, Starfinder and pathfinder 2es weight system are bloody amazing, and should be used if you want to simplify carry capacity. The bulk system! bulk is a measure of not only the items weight, but also it's size. I suggest lookin it up.
When I tried to use electrum, my party just calls em Chuck E Cheese Tokens now. But I do use ecumburance, like whenever someone asks "can I carry a downed team mate?" I will check their carry weight to see if they are like slowed down. I also do track bullets and arrows n stuff because I have a game that's in like a victorian era fantasy setting and I don't want everyone having infinite ammo. It kinda backfired on me as think it'd be nice if we had 1 or 2 specialist firearm people like the Artificer or the Bloodhunter, but now everyones slinging pieces instead of using spells, bows, or regular weapons.
2:30 Spoken like someone who is clearly both too new in the game and too self-certain to bother looking it up... Electrum is not only a real-life silver-gold alloy (hence the intermediary in-game value), EPs have also been an established D&D currency for decades; it was only 3rd Edition which did away with it for the sake of simplicity, and 5th Edition brought it back in its attempt to bring more old-timers' elements once again into the game.
Electrum is dumb, especially since back in 4e we already had 5 units of currency. Copper, silver, gold, platinum, astral diamonds. They all followed the same rule of 10 .
Not sure why your channel never came up in my feed, seeing how many subscribers you have, but I'm glad it did. I found when I tried to make these little things matter, that the game would tend to bog down. It seems that the best way to play was to not totally ignore them, but not try to keep track of everything either. As you said, if your Character appears to be carrying a reasonable amount of stuff, that's good enough. I don't know if this will interest you, but I wrote a D&D story, and then narrated it on my channel. I've currently written 2 books, and both are in their own Playlist. The book is titled 'Forestera's Fate'. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Oh, and I'm not sure why, but I didn't use electrum pieces in the story. Go figure 😏
I always hate when people try to be smug about darkvision. If you lite a torch in a dungeon that only fucks over yourself. Everything will literally have a spotlight on your location while they are still in darkness. So you can’t fight back while the enemy gets advantage and just fully obliterates you. Don’t lite torches, they actively go against you 100% of the time.
For money, just saying something like every 100 coins is one pound is a simple fix. Take your coinage, remove two digits, and that's the weight. No one cares about any amount smaller than that as an increment. Or heck, even lock it to only every 1000 coins if you really want to avoid it. But ya... having coin weight does give you the ability to roleplay things like trying to sell some stuff to a local merchant... who fine... agrees to buy all your crap for all the money he has one hand... but enjoy hauling around the massive bags of copper and stuff that makes up most of his regular trading money with people around town. Sure it would be nice if it was all gold... but you wanted to force him to buy all that stuff up to the money he has... and this was the money he had... Or the ability to distract a merchant by showing up to buy things or a gaurds office and paying a fine or such... with nothing but giant bags of copper.... and counting them out in front of them... It'll most likely turn into an argument, but a good distraction regardless.
Very true - 5e really laughs at martials and strength-builds. Literally, Wizards and Druids are the cream of the crop, with Clerics and Sorcerers bringing up a close second. Casters are just _that_ powerful.
I only ignore standard ammo and add a lot of special ammo and enhancements. Electrum does exist in my worlds and still has it's normal value, but... it's considered a special coin to be used for certain games and access. Electrum is the coin of the gambler. I only bring weight into the equisation if something has to be hauled. No convience of a bag of holding will bring that large pile of gold with you.
Use electrum as an "ancient currency"
Like when your players search ancient ruins they would find electrum. No shop would accept it but some collector or historic would trade it for even more than it's worth in the PHB
Imma do so
This is literally what electrum and platinum are supposed to be
melt it down in a smeltery and craft some fluxducts
@@gmac3296ayo modded Minecraft player
@@TheSkittleNerd Isn't platinum supposed to be like the nobles currency for big deals and the like or something?
Our campaigns use Electrum as a mean joke. "You find five-thousand gold points of coins in the loot purse. They look kind of weird though. . . When you try to spend them, the vendor gets confused. He's never seen these before. . . The banker says they're Electrum. She'll store them, but you won't earn interest and you can't withdraw them like currency. There'll also be a storage fee." Stuff like that. It's all in fun.
I had a concept going from the ELECTrum where you could spend it to infuse a weapon with electricity
Excellent! But couldn't they exchange them (or smelt them)? Even with a fee that'd be fine?
"They're not *physical* coins... but they're minted in the blockchain! Wizard crypto is much more reliable than normal bank money, trust me!"
It's called crypto because it was invented by a lich 💀
@@kotzpenner I don't know how coinage actually comes into being in 5e, but we kinda go for the no-deface theory.
Also, the electrum would need to be liquated. That requires hitting each melting point gap between the four metals which commonly make up the electrum alloy. Not impossible, but also not fun. Might be a fun plot point if someone is going through the massive expense to process electrum for recirculation as silver, gold, copper, and platinum coins. They would also need to be buying electrum below face value.
@@katanyafleet Where are you getting copper and platinum from? Electrum is an alloy of gold and silver.
Be me a forever DM
Starts adding annoying
rules like carrying
capacity and encumbrance
to try not be DM anymore
turns out my players loved
the realism and now
I will never not be the DM
backfire RIP
I'm planning on adding encumbrance in my next campaign. But I'm also adding cars and guns.
I'm a gratuitous PC creator.
In our online game, I play a character I did _not_ create. (We joined an in-progress campaign)
In our *_home_* game... I'm the DM.
It's been three years.
I have a 94 PC backlog.
I'll just have to turn them into NPC's if I ever want to use them, lol.
You should add taxes, players love taxes lol
Just add on condition to weapons and even stanimia to players, at some point they will hate your rules
I can understand everyone's dislike of electrum but it makes perfect sense if you know a little bit about what it's made of. It's an alloy of gold and silver so it makes perfect sense that it would be a halfway point between the two.
True. Historically speaking (in some parts of Europe during the middle ages) one gold coin was wirth 20 silver coins. One electrum coin was worth 10 silver coins or half a gold coin.
Sounds complicated, but non-decimal currencies were extremely common throughout history.
@@victornoel36 if going by English currency
12d = 1s
20s = 1£
21s = 1gn
where d is copper coin, s is silver coin, £ is silver bar, gn is gold coin
There's certainly an interesting use I've seen tossed around of keeping it around, but as like the intermediary 'trader's currency', where it's carried by traders so they don't have massive piles of silver on them, don't have extremely valuable gold pieces on them, and some money lender or major coin establishment can still easily break it down to copper and silver when dealing with commoners ad their needs. This also makes it useful as an extra gate if your players want to work as traders and item-sellers of random goods as they go around as well, as it still can limit their liquid funds.
That and also granting it the older coin conversions of earlier editions where it essentially was 10 silver and then moved to like 5 electrum to 1 gold or something.
It's like the 50 cent coin
Electrum pieces were also a thing in D&D for decades, it was only since 3rd Edition that did away with it officially, but people still used it.
electrum is honestly something they should keep, just because of how it real how there's always one dumb thing breaking the pattern
Electrum is peanuts. It could be way worse. Historically, currency being consistently decimal is a very recent thing. Hell, the United Kingdom didn't have a decimal currency until 1971. Also historically, kings and other rulers regularly changed the conversion rates between different denominations every five to ten years to make the ones they had the most of in their treasury worth more. And when they spent it all and their treasuries filled up with denominations that weren't worth much after the conversion, they changed the rates again. Could imagine the pain in the ass of having one gold be worth 17 silver or 112 copper, and then the plot sends you across the border to a different kingdom, where 1 gold is worth 7 electrum or 51 silver or 225 copper, and your foreign coinage is all of a different weight than local coinage and has to be sold as metal by weight instead of being able to convert as currency? Because that's kinda what it was like in medieval society.
So what you're saying is that Electrum are the Dimes of the DnD world?
If gold is twice as heavy (by volume) as silver and the coins weigh the same, I assume that gold is twenty times the value of silver by weight, so a gold coin is smaller than a silver.
Or the silver one is just thicker.
@@sharondornhoff7563 That's still smaller.
@@elowin1691 Yes. But it would justify why they *look* similar in size in the artwork.
Yes. It can be assumed a "coin" is a set measurement of weight. 50gp = 1lb of gold, 50sp = 1lb of sliver, and so on.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 what is 50p?
"No one has heard of Electrum." I have, way back in 1st edition. It had the exact same problems back then.
Males you wonder why they brought it and theives Cant back, I know 5e was predominantly meant to be throwback to 1st and 2nd edition.
I always find it funny when someone is like "I was there when it started, and honestly it wasn't even that good then anyways."
That's exactly what justifies the listing; it's a joke currency.
Doesn't have any problems.
@@prophetzarquon1922 Not a joke currency.
5:45 I once had a character so poor that he just couldn't eat for days... I kept track at how long it would take him before he started gaining levels of exhaustion, so one day I had him boil and eat his own boots.
Good thing he was a Goliath with good Con, so being barefoot was not much of a real hinderance. I then found out that like a single chicken is only a few copper each, instead of 5sp for a ration or something similar for inn food, so he finally could eat daily again and not starve in the middle of Waterdeep!
Bro really said “Light snack”
Your best bet is wheat for 1 cp a pound. Note that rations, in addition to costing 50 times as much, weigh two pounds for a day's worth instead of one.
Last time I played, rather than DMed was several years ago. However, I purchased, because I didn't know what to spend my money on and had some very large pocket dimensions (portable holes) and was level 10 and owned lots of land, 100 cows, and 500,000 chickens. Because I could and felt like it. Then I bred and sold the chickens in my downtime, and took 10,000 live chickens inside the pocket dimension on every adventure for food, and bartering with whatever creatures we encountered if I felt like it because my DM ruled the pocket dimension didn't let time pass while it was closed. To this day, 6 years later, I still wonder what to use them for. Though I have included references in several of my games to an interplanar chicken company. Everyone is confused by it and I always quietly laugh every time I bring it up.
As a DM, I mostly dismiss encumbrance rules unless my players try to carry an unreasonable amount of stuff. Taking the bandit captain’s scale mail doesn’t mean a weight check, but trying to walk around hauling 12 sets of half plate, I had a player try to do that, means we pull out the calculator. I’ll make them track their money if they want to carry thousands of coins, but I also provide the option to buy a homebrew Magic Item called the Coinpurse of Holding. For just 1 pound of weight, all your coins and trade bars, I use those too, are tucked away in a convenient pocket plane. They can carry as much money as they want without getting encumbered and thieves are a lot more interesting NPCs to use.
What if I want to carry 999 coins? What's the cutoff for reasonable?
@@mnmnrt I put it at around 2000 coins. This is a total of all the denominations they’re carrying. It also equates to 40 pounds of money.
@@mnmnrt That's called being "cute" and is going to make most GMs dislike you and your antics. Fishing for exact values for "a reasonable amount" just so you can go one under merely invites the GM to make your experience miserable.
@@roguebanshee How will you enforce a rule that can't be defined?
@@roguebansheesounds like the gm is a petty control freak 🤨 if the gm is going to ignore money weight but will enforce it entirely when someone wants to game the rules then why not play with the rule enforced to begin with? I don't think trying to benefit as much as a player can by just barely reaching money weight cap is "cute", they're playing by the gm's specified house rules lol
The only time I've seen Electrum actually used was in Curse of Strahd in Barovia and our party decided that Strahd truly was an evil man for forcing his people to use that currency.
I am running CoS and said to myself and my players that anyone with Electrum would have been killed or Strahd himself would obliterate you. In my other games, you either will get arrested and do forced labor for 25 years, or the universe will kill you in 15 seconds.
@@themuseman354 Gross.
@ShiningDarknes don't have Electrum, or get jail.
@@themuseman354 gross
We just called it Strahdium because of that
Our archer goes through 3-6 arrows PER ROUND. The quiver holds 20. The bag of holding takes a FULL ACTION to retrieve another bundle of arrows and put them in the quiver.
This makes strategy in even mid-length combats meaningful.
(another character trained his monkey to refill the quiver. I allowed it!)
It would if people cared
You can also factor in that arrows also get recovered at a 1 to 2 ratio at the end of a fight (and enemy archers will no doubt have some), which acts as some of the balance between throwing, crossbows, bows and (theoretically) firearms. You can always recover a throwing weapon, arrows and bolts sometimes splinter at the end of combat but can be recovered, and basically all firearm rules, DMG or otherwise, destroy the ammo on shot. In theory, adds to the tactical level of the game, in practice, often gets thrown out the window cus people don't like doing paperwork in a game that demands 2-3 sheets to track a character.
Not at all, combat last only 3 rounds on average so you won't run out of arrows even if you were firing 6 times per round
I hear a lot of very lazy players. Tracking two or three numbers is Not rocket science!
Realistically, an archer could carry more than one quiver, such as one on the shoulder and one on each hip, or even 2-3 on the shoulder. Quivers are not heavy nor that large
Darkvision in darkness only gives disadvantage to perception rolls that *require* sight. Remember, being invisible doesn't give advantage to stealth rolls. Being blind doesn't make you auto fail perception checks to notice enemies either, for the same reason.
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while certainly rare, some player races or monsters also get Advantage for use of smell or hearing, which could also be quite useful in dark areas.
Which makes it really strange when a dungeon is improperly lit. It just makes it harder for you to defend your place. That’s probably one of many reasons DMs forget that aspect.
@@MultiKbarry Depends on the dungeon setting as well. It makes more sense for a wild or more natural area to be improperly lit, but something inhabited by non-darkvision races really should have more light sources.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 It can be funny to think about the big bad of the campaign deciding to not light their dungeon/camp/cave. Then later on the party just sneaks by everyone since they can barely see. Even stuff like skeletons get the penalty.
@@MultiKbarry ngl 'undead who has no eyes have disadvantage in the dark' feels like one of those 'I understand the council has come to a decision but as it's a dumb one I choose to ignore it' sorta deals.
I was in a campaign that used encumberance as well as coin weight. It was miserable. The only person who wasn't constantly struggling with weight limits was the barbarian. Every 50 gold was a pound, which is also the cost per spell level for a wizard to copy a spell into their spellbook. The GM also ruled most places couldn't neatly exchange silver to gold, if at all, because most businesses operate using silver and copper (despite the fact almost everything you can buy in the 5e books costs at least 1 gold). So if you wanted to copy three 3rd level spells into your spellbook, you had to be lugging 90 pounds of silver pieces around with you while you searched for your spells of choice. Along with your 11 pound scholar's pack, 4 pound quarterstaff, 5 pound light crossbow, 4 pound robe, and 3 pound spellbook.
Someone literally multiclassed into artificer so they could make a bag of holding to use as a glorified wallet because so much of the campaign became struggling with small change. Imagine carrying all of the dimes with you that it would take to afford a gaming laptop.
Sounds great. I mean, if you're going that far (my table does) then you can do other things. The spell copying requires "special inks and supplies" worth 50 gold per level, not the raw coinage itself. It's similar to how holy water requires 5 pounds of silver and 1 of water to make but a flask of the stuff only weighs 1. You can also use banks, have wealth in gems, art and jewelry, and other less liquid assets (shares in a company, taxing rights, deeds to lands with natural resources, etc).
Personally my players like raw and cut gems, as those are the least finicky to get appraised and paid fairly for, but then again we don't usually have high CHA negotiators.
@@fnzer0 It was absolutely horrific. Nobody liked it, and the campaign self-destructed because of it. No such thing as central banking, and the country was in turmoil. When I say we had to lug our coin, I really meant it.
So, fun fact, this right here is exactly why the spell Tenser's Floating Disk exists. That was literally its purpose, to carry Gyxaxian coinage and treasure nonsense around.
It sounds like your GM was being a hardass for the sake of it, because when the whole party complains, especially on something so insignificant, you really should concede and bend your own rules somehow for them, or else you lose your game...
Even though I did it because I accidentally broke the economy by forgetting coins are 10's not 100's, I think if you're gonna keep track of money especially in a physical way it would be *insanity* not to have coin denominations within the strata. If everyone does business in silvers I cannot imagine how anyone buys anything in bulk without being able to exchange coins if they have to deal with them in such volumes...
@@Tabledar Yeah, table consensus is king. Though you don't "need" central banking, checks aren't exactly new technology. I'll also assume any mounts or vehicles weren't something your table was interested to deal with? I've had my share of problems defending donkeys and ox in travels, or using the mount from summon steed as backup wagon puller.
@@fnzer0
I'd chalk this up more to the DM not making this aspect very congruent with the rest of the game.
The last campaign I went through lasted 2 years and we all used coin weight and encumbrance. It was never an issue for a few reasons:
1) Our DM allowed for easy changing of coin in any decently sized town including changing GP for Plat to cut down on weight.
2) Always giving us opportunities to use that money for stuff. Like how we had to go undercover at a fancy party so we needed to buy some bougie clothes for ourselves.
3) This one isn't going to be applicable to every game, but we had a headquarters of sorts in the main city where we could offload items that we wanted to keep without lugging them around everywhere. An alternative, if your party is constantly pressing forward into new territory, would be finding a way to give your players a decent sized covered wagon as a sort of mobile base so they aren't limited to just carrying what they can shove in their backpack or using a Bag of Holding.
I like electrum pieces ever since I learned it's a real thing, it's a natural alloy of Silver and Gold that can be found in the wild. I also always keep track of my own ammunition amount, even if I never enforce my players to do so when I dm.
Fun fact, I actually made it through the _entire_ Tomb of Annihilation hardcover/module as an archer character tracking ammunition as per PHB, including recovery rules, as a sort of self-imposed challenge. I still ended up doing _crazy_ dps the entire time.
I've always used electrum as "tokens of favor" that a guild or crime ring might use rather than a currency. Think continental coins from John Wick. They aren't technically money but access to certain perks.
You could further apply that the five silver is the monetary value if sold, since most places that do this will often keep track of who they give their tokens to in order to avoid someone stealing the favor. Selling one would not be worth the cost of a favor, but it would be worth the cost of the metal.
That's an incredible idea, ill use it in my games, thank you!
A rule that dm's forget is that a one is not a atimatic fail this kinda stuff makes a 1 a billion times worse than a 2
Honestly I think that if nat20 is always a success, it's fair that 1 is always a failure.
Yeah, it's *only* an autofail on attack rolls. Although, I suppose if the party is playing a lot of skill-based characters, such as Rouge or Eloquence Bard, who can have obscene bonuses to certain skills or have an auto-ten, I could see a DM wanting to still have risks or failure possibility for said rolls.
@@rusticdebris8021 my dm uses it for checks to wired
@Nikkidafox Generally, it's not supposed to be, unless it's an attack roll. Skill checks and saving throws can have DC's that are impossible, such as the Immovable Rod having a DC 30 strength check. Most creatures, even with a 20, can't succeed.
@@Nikkidafox A nat20 is not always a success. That's a house rule. And it's fine to say if one is true, it's fair for the other to be true, but if you're going RAW neither of those rules is true.
I use electrum! The reason it messes up the order is that it's arguably the most important amount of currency to get actual stuff done. Small daily expenses (ale, bread) are usually silver and copper, big expenses (large objects, fancy things, expensive services) are gold, huge expenses (magic items, real estate) are platinum, but medium expenses (trip to the market, single handmade object) benefit from having their own denomination.
Try to think of it like this: 1GP is one night in an inn and a meal. The closest modern equivalent I can think of is the various inns you'll find on pilgrimage routes. On the pilgrimage of Compostela, you can typically get a night for 20 to 30€ and a meal for 15. So 1 GP is about 40€. That would then mean that 1SP is about 4€. A gallon of ale (2SP) turns out to be about 8€, a mug (4CP) is 1€60, and a loaf of bread (80¢). That price for bread is about right for a loaf 3/4 the size of a baguette. That price is cheap for beer, but consider that it's not an industrially produced recipe fine-tuned with a dozen ingredients and drunk solely for pleasure. When you account for the ale being home made; not fermented for very long and quite weak; basically just a bucket of wheat, yeast, hops and water; often made as a means of reducing the risk of getting sick from drinking potentially tainted water; it makes sense that the ale is cheap.
With that approximate value established, we know that 1 electrum is basically a 20€ bill, which is a very useful amount of currency. Once you start thinking of its value that way and think to use it, it pops up a lot. If there was no denomination between the 5€/$5 bill and the 50€/50$ bill, something would seriously be missing. Are you going to break a 50 to pay for 20€ worth of stuff only to end up with six 5€ bills in change? Yes it's slightly easier to ignore the EP when you're writing numbers on a character sheet, but when you think of it from the point of view of the characters, it makes way more sense to use EP and I think it's more immersive.
You could also go a different route and use EP like $2 bills. They're an official denomination, but quite rare, and maybe there are Electrum Piece collectors who value them more than their face value. Maybe the ones from other kingdoms or specific years are worth more.
Seems logical. Do you also abstract things so that coinage is always automatically grouped up to the largest possible denominations (the "color me up" concept in IRL casinos)? Like if I got +20 silver over the course of a dungeon run, I wouldn't write it down as "+20sp", I'd just write it as "+2gp" instead, since the _total value_ of your money is what matters, not in what denominations it is (or I suppose keep track of specific coins in a dungeon, then upon going to a shop, automatically "color up" to the largest valid coins).
@@WackoMcGoose The way we do it at my table is that they add what I tell them when adventuring and when they get to a town, they can generally reshuffle their currency. I assume they find places of business willing to minimize their currency weight. We do it this way because we take coin weight into account, so 200 silver is very different from 2 platinum. We used to not track coin weight until we realized my character (I was a player at the time) had ended up collecting several thousand gold, which worked out to more than double my horse's carrying capacity. If my players need to carry a fortune, they can buy gems in large cities and some mining towns. They generally can't use their gems as currency without it depreciating in value somewhat, but they _can_ buy and resell them at the DMG-specified price and suffer no loss.
When it comes to lifestyle expenses, numerous spells and abilities make surviving for free absolutely trivial. On the other hand, it's also reasonable that most characters would want some kind of a lifestyle for the same reason you and I spent our money on computers and furniture instead of choosing to live in a cardboard shack.
And hiring servants to be named Furniture, yes totally reasonable lifestyle stuff.
Furniture and computers serve useful purposes that have nothing to do with a particular lifestyle
@@mnmnrt You might have a computer for work, but mine is a gaming machine that I don't need. Likewise, I might need a straw mat or a sleeping bag, but I don't need a proper bed frame and a comfy armchair. My larger point is that real people spend money on things they want but don't need, and we should assume our D&D characters will do the same.
@@godsamongmen8003 No. I'll decide what my D&D character spends money on. Not you.
@@mnmnrt Of course you will. Now if you look at all the characters you've played, would it seem reasonable that they would all live spartan lifestyles with no luxuries whatsoever? If you were deciding what your character does, would that be the answer every time?
Hey, maybe it would. Like you said, I don't get to decide what your character buys.
coins all being the same weight makes sense because they have different shapes and sizes. now, the illustrations of said coins don't make sense in like of real metal weights, since it seems like the standard coinage gets uniformly larger the more valuable the coin is. but if you ignore the screwups that Wizards makes, you can make it make sense
The metal a coin is made of need not have any bearing on its value, and in a world where magic can create anything, it's almost guaranteed that it won't
@@mnmnrtyou mean that material of which coin is made plus all the work around it is worth more than coin is worth?
Though it only applies to coins, because printing money as banknotes is very cheap
D&D has always, always, always, ALWAYS, have the problem of the drawing not matching the text.
Oh my friend, I use 'hardcore' currency, classic British standard rates: 12 coppers (pence) per silver (shillings), 20 silver per gold (pound). I typically don't bother with electrum still there, but I've used the traditional 2 EP per GP and a more flexible intermediate 4 EP per GP - they're just denominations of coins, after all, though I like to keep it simple.
Fun fact - the later, more consistent denominations held the shilling coins at 1/20th of a pound (0.8 ounces), meaning that the gold pound coin was literally worth one pound of silver - hence Pound Sterling (Silver).
Players usually are resistant to it initially having grown up with decimalized currencies, but usually find it easier to divide up amongst each other after a little bit of familiarization, since 240 (the number of coppers/pennies per gold/pound) is a highly composite number. It's really useful in parties of 3 or 4.
Generally the only ammunition I track in my games is the magical kind, since they lose their magic after use and are often in shorter supply compared to the surplus of nonmagical ammunition those players have.
This has been the most real video I've seen on ignored rules.
Some of them are so used to being ignored that you forget they are rules in the first place.
Maybe he should do a video about house rules that everyone thinks are official. Like putting money on free parking in Monopoly.
Everything in a game is made up. The only rules that exist are those you choose to use.
@@EdKolis yesssss stealing this
@@EdKolis And the rule you don't have put the money in , if mom says you have to take out the trash everyday.
It is D&D, rules are quite literally there to be ignored so long as they are uniformly ignored by everyone involved. Remember always: the GM handbook almost literally says to do exactly this in order to facilitate a good time for you and your players.
To your first point about Electrum: I use them specifically as the "magical" ingredient in comissioning magical items. Want to make an item instead of find it? Now you need its requisite cost in Gold PLUS a pre-determined (by me) amount of Electrum that will serve as the magical conduit and help bind the magic to your item. Makes Electrum actually *worth* something to the party, and explains its lack of common use and rarity.
One of the many reasons I typically form parties around a ship is getting around tedious rules. Two tons of gold on the ship? No problem. Also some nice clothes when the mission calls for it. No need to haul several outfits in a huge pack. Plus you can bring your favorite NPCs along or leave them to wait in the ship.
A mobile stronghold is great and creates stress about guarding it during dungeon dives. The more long rests in the dungeon the less of their wealth remaining in the ship after they return.
DnD becoming streamlined and extremely appealing to the casual market via podcasts and shows makes it not surprising at all that some rules would be bent or outright not used at all. Trying to rule lawyer with a group of fresh players who only now have discovered that TTRPGs are a thing isnt going to be fun for anyone.
Eh, I ignore a lot of these rules and don’t engage with the podcast/live show scene often. I’d sooner blame that out of a book with these many rules, some were bound to be ignored in favor of more streamlined ones
A lot of these were rules my group of friends were ignoring in 3E like 20 years ago. Having to constantly erase things on a page is annoying, especially if it rarely seems to have an actual benefit. If anything a lot of the annoying busy work stuff like ammo and weight have seen a resurgence due virtual table tops helping track it. Heck even electrum isn't a big deal with a convert button.
@@Janx14 Every group is different, like if you dont want to keep erasing things then why not turn items or currency into physical things like tokens and cards with information on them. Its all about problem solving.
@@Janx14Honestly, for ammo and gold, I’d just have like a sheet of notebook paper to strike through or run tallies on.
Say I got 50 arrows, and we’re bothering with ammo, I’m marking a tally for every shot taken.
Then just jot the end session values on the back of your sheet for next time.
@Blaine - the reason Electrum is still there is because it goes back to BECMI/AD&D. There, it was 10 copper = 1 silver, 5 silver = 1 electrum or 10 silver = 1 gold, 2 electrum = 1 gold, and finally, 5 gold = 1 platinum. So you can see, it wasn't always a multiple of 10 even in the beginning.
A lot of us groggnars always thought of it this way:
1 copper = 1 penny
1 silver = 1 dime
1 electrum = a half dollar
1 gold = a dollar
1 platinum = 5 dollars
I like this.
I somehow talked my parents into doing a one-shot at Christmas, and my dad loved pointing out at every opportunity that his character could see in the dark because he had darkvision. He was a bit disappointed when he realized that the other two players (my mom and my wife) also were playing characters with darkvision.
One that people forget is that spellcasters need a free hand to cast spells with somatic components. Even Baldur’s Gate 3 ignores this rule because it’s kinda limited. You just have your staff and your spells, no dual-wielding or shield.
The rules for material components state at the end: A spellcaster must have a hand free to access these components, but it can be the same hand that he or she uses to perform somatic components.
Also, a cleric or paladin can use a shield with religious symbol as a material component replacement, and likewise use it to perform somatic components at the same time.
@@PikaPenny17 Only if the spell contains both somatic and material components. If it just requires somatic then they can't use their focus, that is the point of the Warcaster feat.
@@makuresWhich actually makes artificer's brand of spellcasting unique because it requires them to use a focus or a tool they are proficient with when casting, giving every spell they cast the material component tag if it doesn't already. Which actually ends up helping in those cases of "somatic only" spells because now they can always just use the same hand as their casting focus.
@@Mrryn Then just use a component pouch instead and keep that hand free?
@@PikaPenny17 Except artificers, again, are a special case and can't. They aren't even proficient with arcane foci and have to either use tools they are proficient with (either thieves tools or another set of artisan's tools) or with an item containing one of their infusions; they have to use one for every spell they cast and can't use a component pouch.
But as I said, it actually works out well for them especially level 2 and on. They can just infuse either their weapon or a shield and now can use the hand with that item as the hand for every spell with the other being free naturally. For example, the Shield spell doesn't normally have material components and thus would normally require a free hand or the Warcaster feat to cast if both hands are occupied. But a Battle Smith Artificer with, say, the Enhance Weapon infusion on a longsword or Enhance Defense on a shield can cast Shield using the weapon/shield hand and still have the other in the opposite hand, because artificer spellcasting puts the M component on the Shield spell now.
3:20 Had this exact thing happen to me and my party. Luckily, I was playing an artificer and took bag of holding for one of my infusions, as well as gauntlets of ogre power for increased carrying capacity. My character was easily the richest for the rest of the campaign.
I had a player once insist on using Electrum for a campaign. I did not feel like the split currency, so I just made it where 10 Silver = 1 Electrum, and 10 Electrum = 1 Gold. The player then complained that they wanted to have the currency as written in the rules, because they were tired of DMs skipping things that are in the books... so I added coin weight and enforced keeping track of it. That player did not returned for subsequent campaigns.
Electrum is just the $2 bill of DND, but only worth a half dollar. 10 Pennie’s for a dime, 10 dimes for a dollar, ap dollars in a $10 bill, ten $10 bills in a $100 bill.
It’s just a half dollar, but with the historical reputation of a $2 bill
Electrum is historically correct - a naturally occurring alloy of silver + gold with traces of other metals such as copper. It WAS used in coins and jewelry during and before the Greek Empire. In my world, the empire south of the player's home country mints electrum coins. If handled correctly, the alloy is very immersive. It is also correct.
* Easy Solution For Ammo: Just keep a handful of pennies on hand. Every time you fire a shot, toss a penny back into whatever "don't use" box you've got.
* Easy Solution For Encumbrance: Give each item a non-weight value of 0 (meaning the item must be in a certain amount to equal 1) to 10, and give each player a set of value boxes they could fill with tokens (think of it like the resident evil 4 weapon case, but a lot smaller). Your size determines how many columns you get, while your strength score determines how many rows.
My favorite to ignore is spell-casting a S-component spell while wielding a sword & shield, or otherwise having both hands full.
The cleric spells should be castable with mace and shield equipped. Same with paladin, ranger, and 1/4 casters.
Rule that everyone ignores but that I think makes combat more fun:
Interact with Object action
It’s supposed to be an action? The game I just played on Wednesday, dm let it be a free action. (I picked up a drow body to use as a makeshift shield because our party was taken captive and had no weapons or armor)
@@justicedunham4088first one each of your turns is free, second is an action, is how I remember it
From what I know, picking up an object is free once per turn. Using an object (health potion for example) is an action unless you're a thief who can do that as a bonus action.
@@Gamemaniac92711 I think it's in one of those wibbly zones where it depends on what the item you're interacting with is. Like, drawing your sword or pushing a door open is free, but doing something like managing a complex (but not so complex that it would require a check) latch system might be an action.
Depends on what it is. You get one free interaction per turn, which can be used to do things like pull a lever, open a door, pick up an item, or swap weapons. You only get one per turn, so you can't both swap weapons and open a door. You generally can't use your interaction to use magic items (because they usually say "as an action" in their text).
See PHB Chapter 9 -> The Order of Combat -> Your Turn -> Other activity on your turn
My table does keep track of money weight, but that's only because we use a VTT and the sheet automatically tracks that for us.
Electrum probably got added to D&D because the stuff has been used in coins since the 7th Century BCE, so if it wasn't there, that's breaking our immersion. Also, it adds that bit of realism that most currency systems have were something just doesn't make any freaking sense, like Britain's traditional non-decimal coins and whatever reason the US has for trying to make dollar coins for the past 50 years that always turn out the same size as a quarter coin.
I'm pretty sure US dollar coins are a bit bigger than a quarter. And usually US dollar coins are more along the lines of collectible memorabilia instead of a full-blown currency
Fun fact, quite a few countries around the world have a "dollar" coin equivalent.
@@KageRyuu6 Thinking of Canada with their Loonies and Twoonies
Dollar coins are not the same size as quarters. Ignoring the old silver dollar, they are bigger than quarters by .25mm, but smaller than half-dollars by .15mm. Also, the US has been waffling between coins and bills for dollars because of cost of production. The problem is, which one is cheaper to make keeps fluctuating. For a time, coins were cheaper because coins in general last longer bills while in circulation, but now the bills are made stronger and thus last longer than they used to, and thus they have become cheaper than the coins are to produce and circulate. Now they're looking at changing the materials in a dollar coin to make it cheaper to produce again, which will flip the balance once more.
@@clarehidalgo It's nice to have coins that are actually worth carrying. Quarters are useless and single-dollar bills just pad out the wallet.
EDIT: Plus dancers up here get better tips by default, after all, how are you going to slip them a coin?
We mostly use lifestyle expenses... but the DM just told us that we are having a mandatory 6-month downtime, to which i asked, "I assume we will at least earn enough to live over that time... right?"
I somewhat disagree with the coin comments. Yes, electrum isn't really providing any value, so I agree with ignoring it, but I think it still makes sense as a currency. If we imagine that 1cp is used roughly like we use $1 (which seems about right for the scale of expenses), then an electrum is a $50 bill, which is completely normal. By that logic there could also easily be a 5cp or 2sp valued coin (to match the $5 and $20). So it is one of those things that make sense to me for a world, but I agree is overly detailed for a game.
As for gold and silver coins having the same weight: I just assume that they aren't the same size (like many real-world coins) and that "gold coins" probably aren't pure gold. And all coins having the same weight is again a simplification to make the math easier.
My dm tracks ammunition it allows us to get at least 50% back at the end of the encounter
Same. But we go just a little more. The full amount can be recovered IF someone has the Mending cantrip plus the full amount of time per arrow. It does take one minute to repair a break with Mending. Also if someone is proficient with Woodworking Tools then they can make arrows as per Xanathar’s. Well provided they can source the wood needed.
I suppose if someone in our group has Tinkering Tools they could also repair arrows but that one hasn’t come up.
The problem with Electrum is that it is a perfectly legitimate coin, but the lack of other denominations is what makes it so weird. In the current day we have three denominations for every 10 increment: 1, 2 and 5. Electrum is the 5. But there is no 2, nor are there 2 and 5 for the copper to silver and gold to platinum transitions.
The weight of coins in 3rd edition was 1/50 of a pound. That meant every 50 coins weighed 1lb. This made calculations much easier.
I remember being in a game where my party got electrum in a loot pile and everyone started arguing about how to split it loot-wise
From that moment I decided to never include it in my games
I've got another one for you: Social interactions. The DMG has a whole social interaction system that's actually really nice, but almost no one even knows it exists because it's in the DMG.
It works on three "dispositions" which affect the DC for persuading someone to help you. You can determine through roleplay or through insight rolls (which makes insight actually USEFUL aside from being the "lie detector" skill) certain traits like an NPC's motives or desires which can help you to swing their disposition towards friendly. It's only THEN that you can make your persuasion/intimidation/deception roll to try and get them to help.
I haven't seen the video yet, but I'm amazed that it appeared at the same time as it was posted. youtube knows me well, haha.
with money i remind people that gems trade at value, they are very light for their value, and as such they are probably what adventurers turn most of their wealth into for trade. coins are for making change. even gold coins.
life style expenses last maybe the first 3 sessions of the campaign until the story starts. after that, the party is always on the move and just rent rooms at whatever tavern they are in and seem to just drop gold pieces like its candy for some reason.
The fact that the book contains so many rules that people ignore really speaks to a larger problem for the actual design of modern D&D. You can't play old editions of D&D properly without many of these rules, otherwise you lose much of the game's intended play and erase the value given to things like time, spells, and magic items. Makes me wonder why the new game even bothers to add them.
We use all of these except living expenses, and I mean with the only downtime we get is like the occasional night at an inn in a small town where it's the only option other than camping outside there's no real opportunity for it. The same niche of rules in are very much used in the shadowrun game I use, so downtime for using karma is limited by having to keep up with the bills on top of trying to get more money to buy better toys.
2:30; ever heard of a half dollar, or a half penny? Well now you have
Hello, number 2 electrum fan. I like it in a way of roleplaying, how the greedy tyrant ruler is only paying the workers in electrum and keeping all the gold for himself to a draconic standard for example.
Oversized weapon rule. Most people either don't want to bother looking it up cause it's hard to find and not mentioned in places it should be, or DMs don't want players to get the full advantage out of spells and classes that are made to use it. Basically, for every size category above their normal size a character and their weapon is increased, the damage doubles. So a medium character with a 1d6 weapon going to large would deal 2d6, and going to huge would deal 3d6. This makes certain class features and spells every effective as it can be a great boost to a melee class's damage output. But without it without it they offer trivial benefit at best.
I saw a video where they said there was some debate on whether that rule actually applies to player characters or just enemies. The runeknight gets a size increase and there is no mention of that rule at all. Neither in the size changing spells.
Ah yes, my drow who's spent so long underground that being in the sun gives them disadvantage is going to have a disadvantage granting hard time in the dark. Logic. Makes sense. 10/10.
You do know that they have lightsources down there too right? its not pitch black darkness.
You can think of them as a standard vampire, such as those in Drew Hayes's universe. Direct sunlight, eg a sunbeam, is trouble, but they can walk around in shady areas no trouble. Heavy clothing, a black umbrella, gloves, sunblock all help. Note that you can see somewhat through a cheap black plastic bag in full light.
AFAIK, people ignore the fact kenku can't actually speak without mimicking others. They also can't come up with original ideas.
6 veiws in 1 minute. bro fell off.
Stfu this trend needs to fall off
One workaround I had for ammunition being boring was having guns require you to load gold for each clip as the only company that has figured out how to make these guns has aapplied magic to make acquiring bullets convient… but expensive. Suddenly players started calculating whether or not it was worth to use the guns way way more
Legends Of Avantris (The DnD group with Chuckles the clown) has a hardcore DnD campaign called Icebound in which they very much do care about the weight of gold and wood and food, they use exhaustion rules if the crew hasn't eaten or slept for long enough, they count how much ammo the ranger has and she has to sometimes fletch more arrows when they have downtime, and the druid actually needs to have his specific components or he can't cast his spells. It's a great series and it feels like there's real stakes to every decision.
Coins can have the same weight as other coins - you don't actually care, it's about the relative value of the metal. But yes, seeing as D&D likes to play funny number games and lists _everything_ above Tier 1 play often in _thousands_ (or _tens_ of thousands) of gold coins, it really is silly to try to account for _all_ of that weight.
I feel silly asking, but would you happen to have a link to the art/artist for the thumbnail? I really enjoy clockwork/mechanical girl art, and wanted to see more
I once replaced the Electrum spot for an original currency that was used in a city wgich was in a demi-plane.
Copper, Silver, and Gold were pretty useless there so they had to make due.
I only ignore weight as long as players only carry a reasonable amount of stuff.
If they try and carry 8 large dragon bones with a Strength of 7, im going to politely ask how much they can carry.
So the clockwork woman on the front, is she just some art you found or is a playable race, and can I find it in the Anime 5e thing in the description (and which pack it is is)
I liked the electrum rant.. it reminded me of a particular country's choice of the imperial system, when everyone else uses metric.. 😅
At my table: The first magic item that appears in any characters inventory is always a bag of holding. Low magic setting? Plot hook, it is a heirloom and the player must hide the fact that it is magic. If starting from level 1 it is in the first dungeon or can be purchased for a low price from a passing merchant for the price of a pack mule.
Bonus points if it latter turns out to be a sleeping bag of devouring.
Meanwhile over in my game literally no one has a bag of holding... I'm really lax on encumbrance and what you can carry, but either no one rolled one from the freebies I gave out during character creation or they're level 1 and had no such items yet... They're managing, at least.
Someone DOES have a Portable Hole though and I have come to absolutely love the portable hole and if given a choice I would legitimately pick it over the bag. Yes, it's less convenient, but the *things* you can do with that dang thing...
Until his wagon got destroyed by being caught in a *literal tornado* he'd put it on the inside of the wagon while they were stopped so more people could rest inside its relative safety. In dangerous territory he had the smaller characters plaster it on the underside of the wagon and climb inside. While infiltrating a castle, he used it to hide from their autonomous guards AND to scale the sides of the higher parts by having everyone but his familiar climb inside and had his familiar scoop it off the table or wall and carry it. Even in the worst case scenario where the familiar got blasted it's only a DC10 strength check to climb out of a closed portable hole and it looks like nothing more than a nearly invisible piece of fabric in darkness. One of the kids he's escorting said that if she owned one, she'd put up paneling inside and turn it into a deployable bedroom and I fucking love that idea so much I might use it the next time I'm a player.
Electrum is cool if you make it the exclusive currency of a given location in a campaign. Force players find a way to get there hands on some or risk going without supplies for a given run. But don't tell them, just sprinkle some in here or there and see if they exchange it. Lol
While coin weight can be annoying, it's not really obnoxious to keep track of. 50 coins = 1lb. Therefore each coin is 0.02 lb. Easiest way to keep track of it would just divide your coin count by 50 rounded down.
Also the fact that coins all have the same weight still makes sense. Not only does it make them easy to weight, but the can just be different sizes to accomplish that. Fun fact; The US Dine and Nickel are almost the exact same weight, but the dime is like half the volume.
Uh no
Electrum was a hold over from earlier editions when gold was worth 20 silver, and electrum was 10 silver. Platinum was 5 gold, or 10 electrum. So you ended up with a decimal system except for the base coin, gold.
Downtime activities actually require a certain level of comfort to do. Running a business requires a modest living while working can be done at any level
In real life silver is worth about 1/100 that of gold by weight. So by modern weights and standards a silver coin worth 1/10 of a gold coin should also be 1/10 the weight per piece making it a great deal smaller. I think for realism sake electrum which is an alloy of gold silver and a smidgeon of copper should be 1/10 gold with silver 1/10 electrum then you would have coins all about the same weight and have appropriate value, granted the gold piece would still be half the volume considering the much higher density of gold but for weight it's about right.
NEEEEEEERRRRRRDDDDDDD
(but interesting)
Anyone got a source for that Automaton Clockwork gal in the thumbnail?
i just clicked on this video so i can download the thumbnail as a png, lol
lol nice to hear you liked the design. She's from Silver's Monster Girl Manual if you're curious
@@BlaineSimple thank you!
as a dm i just use ammo as an amount of ranged attacks you can make in one combat you can just pick up your arrows after combat its not that hard
When my characters get paid in AL I always take it in platinum and gems with some gold and silver pocket change to pick up bar tabs, although I do play with encumbrance.
Electrum is a blend of silver and gold, whereas all others are pure metals. Makes sense that it's an in-between, and you shouldn't treat it as a main coin. Just be glad you don't need to deal with billon or rose gold as well.
Now I want there to be an artifact called the pink gold peach and everyone hates it for no reason 😂
Personally I rule Darkvision as like the vision of a cat, you can't see if there's no light, so you don't have disadvantage on perception checks based on sight during night time and you can see in a pitch black room with almost no light coming through, but if you're in the depths of a dungeon 30 feet under ground with multiple doors blocking light, there is no light to allow you to see, so unless you got magic eyes you can't see.
How would you justify a dungeon not being lit if inhabited by intelligent creatures then?
They evolved to rely on other senses, just like real life cave creatures.
Full respect for your callout of Jacob
EP are like 50p pieces in the UK. I was more irritated they changed platinum from 5-10gp
6:05 it's 10 Gold minimum "a Day" , not month.
I have a main city that ONLY uses electrum, my party is on their way to that city rn, cant wait for their reaction
Thanks for the donation! Also that sounds hilariously evil. Best of luck running it lol
I love tracking ammo, weight, coins, etc.
One of my favourite moments in a dnd game was killing a dragon by throwing my bow at it because I was out of ammo.
Even as someone that not only tracks ammunition but also willingly uses PF1's carrying capacity which has 3 levels of encumbrance instead of just 1, I do not keep track of the weight of coins and I do not care if my players keep track of it.
*cough*
Definitely not me taking electrum and making it the only acceptable currency with extremely old vendors… it’s also acceptable as a replacement currency for gold in spells and such due to copper being equally conductive.
what does the conductivity of copper have to do with anything
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Ok, coins having weight actually **did** come up in a campaign i was playing. Somehow, my character amassed over 20 THOUSAND GP (possibly even more), so the DM ended up needing to give me a bag of holding just for my GP (which idk off the top of my head if that was enough or not)
I don't get the robot girl what that about
OR FIRST I GOT IT WRONG darnit
I came for the mechanical anime girl…
14th? Yay?
$5 bill am I a joke to you?
I am a weird guy who likes tracking Encumbrance and ammo and even I dislike coin weight. In my games, while you do need to worry about encumbrance, you can essentially carry infinite coins. "You find a dragons hoard. It has a total of 100,000 GP so add 25,000 GP to your sheet for your share of the loot."
Tbh, Starfinder and pathfinder 2es weight system are bloody amazing, and should be used if you want to simplify carry capacity.
The bulk system! bulk is a measure of not only the items weight, but also it's size.
I suggest lookin it up.
When I tried to use electrum, my party just calls em Chuck E Cheese Tokens now. But I do use ecumburance, like whenever someone asks "can I carry a downed team mate?" I will check their carry weight to see if they are like slowed down. I also do track bullets and arrows n stuff because I have a game that's in like a victorian era fantasy setting and I don't want everyone having infinite ammo. It kinda backfired on me as think it'd be nice if we had 1 or 2 specialist firearm people like the Artificer or the Bloodhunter, but now everyones slinging pieces instead of using spells, bows, or regular weapons.
2:30 Spoken like someone who is clearly both too new in the game and too self-certain to bother looking it up...
Electrum is not only a real-life silver-gold alloy (hence the intermediary in-game value), EPs have also been an established D&D currency for decades; it was only 3rd Edition which did away with it for the sake of simplicity, and 5th Edition brought it back in its attempt to bring more old-timers' elements once again into the game.
Electrum is dumb, especially since back in 4e we already had 5 units of currency. Copper, silver, gold, platinum, astral diamonds. They all followed the same rule of 10 .
Not sure why your channel never came up in my feed, seeing how many subscribers you have, but I'm glad it did. I found when I tried to make these little things matter, that the game would tend to bog down. It seems that the best way to play was to not totally ignore them, but not try to keep track of everything either. As you said, if your Character appears to be carrying a reasonable amount of stuff, that's good enough.
I don't know if this will interest you, but I wrote a D&D story, and then narrated it on my channel. I've currently written 2 books, and both are in their own Playlist. The book is titled 'Forestera's Fate'. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Oh, and I'm not sure why, but I didn't use electrum pieces in the story. Go figure 😏
I always hate when people try to be smug about darkvision. If you lite a torch in a dungeon that only fucks over yourself. Everything will literally have a spotlight on your location while they are still in darkness. So you can’t fight back while the enemy gets advantage and just fully obliterates you. Don’t lite torches, they actively go against you 100% of the time.
For money, just saying something like every 100 coins is one pound is a simple fix. Take your coinage, remove two digits, and that's the weight. No one cares about any amount smaller than that as an increment. Or heck, even lock it to only every 1000 coins if you really want to avoid it. But ya... having coin weight does give you the ability to roleplay things like trying to sell some stuff to a local merchant... who fine... agrees to buy all your crap for all the money he has one hand... but enjoy hauling around the massive bags of copper and stuff that makes up most of his regular trading money with people around town. Sure it would be nice if it was all gold... but you wanted to force him to buy all that stuff up to the money he has... and this was the money he had...
Or the ability to distract a merchant by showing up to buy things or a gaurds office and paying a fine or such... with nothing but giant bags of copper.... and counting them out in front of them... It'll most likely turn into an argument, but a good distraction regardless.
Very true - 5e really laughs at martials and strength-builds. Literally, Wizards and Druids are the cream of the crop, with Clerics and Sorcerers bringing up a close second. Casters are just _that_ powerful.
I only ignore standard ammo and add a lot of special ammo and enhancements.
Electrum does exist in my worlds and still has it's normal value, but... it's considered a special coin to be used for certain games and access.
Electrum is the coin of the gambler.
I only bring weight into the equisation if something has to be hauled. No convience of a bag of holding will bring that large pile of gold with you.