Tesla lowered the price it costs to make EVs every month last year
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- Tesla lowered the price it costs to make EVs every month last year
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This is why it's so laughable when people talk about a 'new Tesla'. There are no Legacy car makers who are remotely capable of doing something like this. Companies like Lucid or Fisker ought to be able to, but they don't have the mindset to make this happen. Tesla NEVER sits back and accepts the status quo, they ALWAYS innovate and push even harder to lower costs.
Absolutely!
In the UK the Tesla model 3 was tested against the BYD Seal, and lost on most of the fronts. The Seal was better.
Where is that $25k Tesla . . . that Elon is babbling about since 2018? maybe late 2025 or early 2026 in production ?
Stellantis is already producing the first sub €25.000 EV. Bringing the Citroën ë-C3 with LFP battery, 320km range and 200kW charging, build in the EU.
The €25k Renault R5 E-Tech will follow in September with a 400km range and also LFP battery and 100kW charging.
And that Tesla talk, about sub $25k affordable EV's . . . . . still waiting, many talk no show.
@@BMWHP2 byd sell car with as low as 0 profit margin because they got ccp money.
As for others, they will say anything only to keep investors happy.
Good to see Tesla is passing on the cost cutting, most companies don't do that.
@@icosthop9998 Seriously?
Tesla NEVER sits back and accepts the status quo, they ALWAYS innovate and push even harder to lower costs, and they have done exactly this since the company was founded. That is what Tesla will continue to do; value is going up continually, price is coming down continually. Cheers Viking!
I love Elon Musk's last statement. He is going to do what is right and not bow to big corporate interests. He is the brightest hero in the world today. Leading new discoveries in electric power, batteries, vehicles, making world wide communications inexpensive and geographically unlimited, providing clean water to big cities free of charge, lowering space exploration by 10x, etc.
That cybertruck looks awesome. Thanks for the great videos.
Unfortunately, another delusional Elon Muck is god believer. 🤣 No question his made bold investments by founding Tesla and Space-X. But the power issues of the world will not be solved by Elon alone. Oh, just for my understanding, witch city do you live in that does not offer clean water. If you city is not providing clean water, I think it's better you get out there an petition your local government to move their asses instead trolling youtube comments.
I worked on 4 generations of game console SOCs at AMD. Both for Microsoft and Sony. Each generation pushed semiconductor and chip packaging technologies to their limits to get every micron of area, power reduction, and performance out each technology node from mainly TSMC. Tesla ethic is the same as the chip design ethic of continuous product design cycle improvement that results in lower cost, better performance, better value for the customer. That spells increased customer satisfaction and more revenue in the end. And…more profit. This ethos is by nature born out of silicon valley. Legacy automakers have a long and painful lesson to learn here IMHO
@@Yippydog Tesla ethic is the same as the chip design ethic of continuous product design cycle improvement that results in lower cost, better performance, better value for the customer. --- I guess you don't own a Tesla then...I've had my Model 3 for over a year now and the car has become a nightmare since the last OTA update. Autowipers don't work, cruse control has a mind of its own and Autopilot is almost unusable. So all the fronts you mention, the only one Tesla delivers on is a drop in value for 50k car to at 30k car with no performance and customer satisfaction increase. Maybe I next time a buy a vehicle, I consider those legacy car makers again.
Tesla’s Model Y Juniper update is what I’m waiting for. With the M3’s Highland already out in North America (just test drove it this past Saturday), adding those changed parts to the Model Y won’t take longer than a couple of months. Tesla’s quick to market with changes and updates!
Sam you pick the best and least reported news of EV’s. Thanks 🙏
Welcome
I haven’t seen them lowered in my country every month, so this is a very market-specific situation.
Thanks very insightful as usual and I love how you provide numbers to back up your statements
A smaller battery pack maybe, but they still need to keep 300 miles / 500km as a base for the Model Y, so that BEVs are not viewed as inferior to ICE (eg Nissan Qashqai petrol has about 550km range.)
An EV only needs a 200+ mile battery. I currently drive 300 miles for just $9. And I will get to drive 300 miles for $9 for about 750k miles. That is 2x longer than any ICE on the market. If ICE wants to survive, they need to start offering free gas for the first 100k miles of ownership.
You can fill a 20k$ gas car from 0% to 100% in ~5min counting from the second you stop the engine until you are back on your way to wherever you are going, maybe 7min if you pay indoors instead of contact-less at the pump. Budget EVs aren't going to be capable of 500+kW fast-charging any time soon to achieve the same degree of convenience for road trips and people who cannot charge at home. And then there is still the substantial cold weather penalty from heating the battery and cabin which you don't have with ICE beyond de-frosting windows before driving off.
@@teardowndan5364
The Reality is that I did 2 road trips between Toronto and Montreal (6 hours one way).
With gas car, I stopped 2 times fill gas 5 minutes then parked to go to washroom (less than 5 minutes) and brought coffee from Tim Horton (line up for 5-10 minutes), jump back to drive.
With EV, park and start charge (15-20 minutes session) in the mean time went to washroom and brought coffee; continue to drive.
It may be 3-5 minutes per stop different.
Fact, I can't hold more than 2 1/2 hours without bio-stop. And lucky that no line-up for charger.
@@teardowndan5364 A 20K$ new ICE car in the USA? For example? The U.S. new-vehicle average transaction price in November 2023 was $48,247. People who don't charge at home can't afford road trips where driving range is an issue. With global warming the way it's been the last few years, that "cold weather penalty" lasts about 15 days in January. Do you work for Exxon or Toyota?
@@beautifulgirl219 The KIA Rio starts at 18k$ including $1200 shipping.
Didn’t Elon say on the earnings call that Tesla had taken just about as much cost as they could out of the 3/Y models? Good that battery costs continue to fall but those will only feed in slowly to the overall car price. It will really kick in from 2025, not this year.
Should massively benefit the Model 2 in the next few years but I think we’re getting way too excited about the impact this year.
Tesla said that the cost of manufacture will NOT KEEP DROPPING as much. It will drop, but they are getting close to the bottom, so the cost will not decline AS RAPIDLY. At least that is what I heard from the call.
Yes, that is what I heard as well, but Sam may be right that the price will keep dropping due to cuts in battery prices. I think it depends on what prices were negotiated in the contract that Tesla signed with CATL for its batteries.
Exactly what he said. Sam is, as usual, getting way ahead of himself here. It may make Tesla a little more margin this year but likely to be the end of the year before it’s even seen. It’s much more important for the Gen 3 models from 2025 onwards.
There’s no magic bullet coming in 2024 to magically restore Tesla margins to 20% but there will be a steady cost reduction and then I’d expect a jump for Gen 3 cars.
Yep, that's exactly what was stated at the earnings call. Cost cutting is not an infinite exercise and there is a point at which it means compromising on quality.
Yes for the current architecture. All the ongoing modifications are chasing diminishing returns. This is why the Model 2 is using the "unboxed" method and Cybertruck is a testbed for things like 48V, gigabit canbus, steer-by-wire, etc. Once Model 2 is out, everything that works will go into a new Model 3/Y... eventually.
Phillip.
Another byproduct of the conversion to LFP batteries is often overlooked. The perception of shorter range due to lower energy density is already largely offset by the recommended practice by Tesla of charging LFPs to 100% on a daily basis. If older NCA battery owners are actively discouraged from charging beyond 80%, even on the road at a Supercharger, then their “virtual” range is near enough to the same. But if CATL can lift the LFP energy density to match NCA batteries, then the “virtual” range of the new vehicle will be significantly better.
I’ll keep lowering my prices because I’m making to much money said no man ever
I’m making TOO much money
Consumers and environmentalist are really happy about Tesla pushing the price of EVs lower and EV adoptation faster❤
If Tesla could get the model 2 out fast that would be great for the market
Most early date is late 2025 or more realistic early 2026 production start. But that is already 2 years to late. The competition comes from Stellantis, with Citroën and Renault.
This year with 2 models starting below €25k, 320km range, 100kW charging, LFP battery and build in the EU. And more will come from China.
@@BMWHP2They are not competition with such low production...
@@BMWHP2 Won't even be competition in Paris France, much less Paris Texas. Tesla Model 2 will tidal wave the competition.
one thing they can't duplicate (and may never...) is Tesla's software advantage... a chasm that separates the men from the boys... superior software drives improvement in hardware performance from improved mileage, cooling, battery life, ride quality, etc.... Tesla will eventually have to license it, but not until they've locked in production capacity at full tilt, say 20 million cars per year or more... (I'd give it 5 to 7 years)
2027 likely, $30K
Interesting, but how does it stack up with the analysis from Forbes Tesla Sells 33% Of Vehicles Below Average Cost article from the Q3 accounting quote “Tesla continues to sell vehicles in China below its average cost, from Q4 2022 through Q3 2023. Currently, the base Model Y is priced around $36,200, and the revamped Model 3 saw a 12% increase in its base price to $35,800 - both still below Tesla’s average cost of ~$37,487 per vehicle in Q3.” and we know Q4 was worse. Elon Musk famously said he would half manufacturing cost last year, but it’s seems to have gone quiet.
Great videos EV! Need to learn your workout regimen lol
For future sales and company growth, the time has come to apply these cost reductions to used Tesla's. One of the most powerful arguments that I currently hear are repair costs, and especially battery replacement costs. Tesla must get battery replacement cost below $10,000 and soon- even if its at a short term loss, it will pay long term dividends.
My personal 'cost parity' has not yet been hit, but it is coming soon. I have a little Jeep Compass, AWD, not too small, $25 K. I am still waiting for an electric car that can do what it does for $35k, because the cost of ownership is lower. A mere $5-7k drop on a Model Y or an AWD option on a Model 2 might get me there. I have a hard time justifying an AWD Model 3 when a Model Y is about the same price.
It would be interesting to see the cost per pound and per hour of labour change for each model. That would give us an indication of what the Tesla 2 will come in at.
Like I said, it is the other way around. Tesla is keeping the prices as high as possible. Cheapest Tesla in the EU still is €45.000.
But brands like BYD are forcing Tesla to drop the prices. Stellantis is bringing the first 2 EV's for €25.000 on the market in April and September this year, with Citroën and Renault.
Where is that $25k Tesla? maybe in 2 years, and that is 2 years to late. And 7 years past 2018 when Elon first was babling about it. Still no reality.
Difference is Stellantis and Renault will literally make nothing form these cars and sell them in tiny volumes. Tesla will continue to make cars profitably. However I totally disagree with Samsung here, Tesla won’t benefit much this year from falling prices but 2025 should be interesting.
Tesla model 3 in 2024 in UK starts at £42,000. If Tesla is making all these efficiencies. why is the price of this car so high? Must we wait for the Chinese to bring their cars to the UK for Tesla to do this?
Interesting to see the fins for wind turbines at 4:55 in the video.
Yep you can certainly save money by just dropping things like parking sensors, physical controls etc.
Now imagine this same kind of cost mentality being used for Space. I wonder if there is a company out there doing that?
I think Tesla should produce a micro 2 seater commuter vehicle. With something like a 50 km range. Must be supercheap, like under $5000. Will guaranteed be a hit as that is where most cars are used for, going to work and shopping.
Much of a priducts costs are clasificed as overhead which is a fixed cost so the more units you make the lower the amount of overhead is put on each car so as you make more you spread the fixed costs over a larder number . That would have huge effect on COGS. China factory costs to build is see as overhead, which is fixed cost, so more units you make the cheaper it becomes
Afternoon mate
I feel bad buying the cybertruck early. I know it will be cheaper in 1 year.
Maybe not. This is not scheduled to be mass market offering. It is their halo product geared up to sell to people like your good self
@@richardcope8102 HahahaHa yes, like the F-150 is a Halo product.
Are you saying that you have taken dly? Nah, I didn't think so .
@robertfonovic3551 yes. I got the foundation edition.
@robertfonovic3551 Tesla is also covering the hardware I need for bidirectional charging but are making me pay installation. Yet to see the cost on that though
When you sell a product at cost, something is not right
Yes, lower costs for materials and batteries will lower costs. Yes, improvements in manufacturing efficiency will lower costs. But, adding CyberTrucks to the mix of products sold will raise the average cost per vehicle. As Tesla ramps up CT production, the average cost per vehicle will go up.
This is true. Especially with how many CT they will sell!
The numbers are crazy.
Will be upgrading to New model 3 later this year!!--- Hope it Qualifies for $7500 IRA EV Credit
If you know Israel's Nano Dimension's additive PCB producing Dragonfly IV you know where not only car companies can save money during production...but all manufacturers that use PCBs in their products.
Tesla has benefitted greatly from Chinese supply chain.
Factor in inflation and the reduction is more like 7k or 20%
Next year 30%
Over 2 years 50%
Goodbye ICE
If demand for Teslas has not leveled off, prices wouldn’t be falling and supply would not be plentiful. On the 7th price cut now? Simple math- supply, demand, price.
A few thousand $ per car in zero emissions credits also factors into profit and selling prices and will be interesting to see how that goes moving forward.
Manufacturing isn’t the issue the issue is the high cost of the batteries
Yep, Tesla cut prices ahead of the cost to build a car falling. Unlike Legacy Auto, Tesla is constantly building better cars for less money. The 2024 Model 3 refresh, which is a much better car, costs less to build than the 2022 Tesla Model 3.
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Then inflation kicks in.
Australia does not see the same Tesla price cuts as some other nations. We also have what is known as the Toyota Tax. It is where Toyota Australia charge Aussies a premium for their vehicles. Why? Because they can. Toyota CEO claims EVs are a flash in the pan and have no future. This is from the guy whose company is the most indebted car maker in the world at $223 Bn.
"A better product for less money". Said every salesman in history. The truth, on the other hand........
Tesla needs to put a van body on the Cybertruck frame.
Now they revolutionised only insurance premiums 😂
A Billion dollar saving for every $500 cost reduction when selling 2 million cars per year!
Weird what making a profit per vehicle can do. Too bad Ford forgot what Henry knew over a 100 years ago.
I am expecting Model Y Juniper much more modernized with 10% bigger battery for the price of Model Y from mid 2023
Please Sam, price and cost are different words.
One thing we found out today is that it doesn’t cost $55 billion… 😁
New gen will not have smaller size barttery it has different battery. Why Optimus Bot lost 11kg - that is battery and is thinner - Tesla uses some new kind of battery that has 3x the energy. To go robotaxy market range gives better servicing period options also having bigger fluid tank or better seat materials also stainless steel body. So the robotaxy and next gen are not omen model I think but whole lineup
Looking forward to the M3 with 300 miles range costing the same as a Toyota Camry hybrid with no help from rebates.
I expect that Tesla will keep using the cheaper LFP cells (from CATL and BYD) in the Model 3/Y Standard Range, whereas the Long Range and Performance will keep using the more expensive NMC (from Panasonic and LG) for its higher energy density. We probably will see a 300 mile Model 2 (or whatever Tesla calls its $25k compact) that competes with the Camry, but that probably won't come until late 2025 or early 2026.
What does a gigapress cost And how long will it take to pay it off
Ring the manufacturer and ask for a quote 😅😅
Likely 10 years
Imagine a TESLA w/ 450 miles on CATL LFP batteries. After your 10% loss over 100K (whatever) still has 400 mile range and twice as many charges... Now that speaks to me... I'd take a 100KW battery if I could get more mileage and bidirectional charging capacity... yeah baby! or am I dreaming!? '; o
Think in kilometers and youl be happy 😊
Why does everyone need a 400km range from a small car? If someone would please make a small car with a 200km range it would be awesome. It would be lighter, cheaper and would do everything most people require from a small car ie running around in their local area. If you are charging it at home who cares? Most people don't drive more than 40km per day. Remember, a lot of the range of EVs gets eaten by the weight of the battery. Halve the battery size and you will halve the battery weight and get even more range.
15,000$ and 7,500$
Don't forget to watch Common Sense Sceptic teardown of Q4 earnings call, to be released today.
But fake media tells us that Tesla reduces car prices due to slowing EV demand 😂
Battery pack prices are going down, energy density increasing, and with new innovations, so will recharge performance, safety and longevity. But, at the same time, you have to remember that the EV business is not about just building cars. It is about designing new ones, creating new ways to manufacture them, and working out all the problems that come with this process. This is why Tesla succeeds. More specifically, Tesla is not afraid embark on a project to create a new product, knowing it will lose money on it, for the first generation model. The Cybertruck is a case in point: ridiculously stiff metal, controversial design, and not really sure about whether it is attractive to the tradesman or the soccer mom. They just build it and see what happens. This is where they lose money, but at the same time learn a lot about manufacturing. Other car companies take a more conservative approach and take much longer to fix things. The next innovation TSLA needs is a way to fix the cars. They will likely pick up at home, offer a loaner and ship the car to a central repair facility, or repair at the customer's home.
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To compete with BYD, for M2, Tesla will need to consider matching BYD’s better interior design.
not loud enough
Dude, how can you draw ANY conclusions without doing a mix analysis? Is this downward trend due to increasing proportion of model 3 sales? I suspect that mix and battery prices are the drivers. Their statements about reducing costs is mostly hot air
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All EV's need to drive 500 miles per charge at a minimum, just like Lucid has already achieved, proving it is not just a pipe dream. That will take away range anxiety for longer road trips and make more people switch to a EV.
Yep just like everybody needs 100% returns in a year in order to invest in the stock market.
This is a BS comment. Only people with severe range anxiety need 500 me of range. Those folks may never ever buy electric vehicles until there are no more gas vehicles available for sale. We do just fine with 300 and we know that in fact we don't really get that in a road trip because of range dilution relative to speed. Do you believe that everybody is stupid that they have to have 500 miles of range? Especially when they only drive on average 42 miles a day? Please please consider that this is a crazy idea
500 mile range in Hawaii and you will fall into the ocean.
Boy, just think of how much Musk could save if he had no humans involved in car construction !
"Tesla lowered the price it costs to make EVs every month last year" Yes and it shows. The interior looks disgustingly cheap (what is that ugly grey carpet on the doorpanels and dash?). The front bumper looks far less good (zero details, really missing those foglights). Having buttons for the indicators does simply not work at on European roads (where we have these things called roundabouts) and having to switch gears on the screen is just crappy. The taillights however are nicer and so is the range and suspension but all in all, I'd rather get the 2023 model. I've been testdriving a couple of EV's and honestly I'd much rather go with the EX30 or Seal instead. The EX30 does minimalism better and the Seal is just far more car for the money.
What else can Tesla REMOVE from their cars to make their profits bigger.
Steering wheel?
Does anyone think the best Tesla you can get will be worth the same as an aged Jag E type/Porsche/Ferrari? Will be worthless like an iPhone 4. Cheaply made generic style EV which is disposable when battery inevitably gives up. Also a total bore fest to own. Almost any ICE car is more desirable to own and use apart from not writing itself off without neglect.
China BYD Seagull is less than USD 10K. That's EV. And the price can drop in the future. Tesla has no chance at all.
Blisterin barnacles ;)
How much of that manufacturing cost reduction comes at the expense of making repairs even more difficult and expensive than they already were?
EVs will continue to get cheaper to make and ICE cars will continue to get more expensive to make. So as a function of time automakers will decide to stop making ICE cars even if there is still demand. The cost vs wholesale price math simply won't work. What few gas powered vehicles are still available will get very expensive.
The great news for Tesla owners as they see the resale value for their car diminish by over 50% per annum. Rule of thumb when it comes to buying a Tesla. Never buy the newest model on release. Wait 2 year after release for a rumors of a refresh, then look to buy the pre-refresh model around December for at least 30% less than the price of the car when it was released. Also potential Christmas rebates can get you the car for almost 45% less than the launch price.
Tesla nickel and dimes every damn thing they sell😅
Wow man, your bank account should be full of Elon money transfers..it´s a non stop. But think in all these people that is going to lose their money in TSLA stocks..you will be responsible of that also..Good luck.!
Wow will you shut up? Eva are the future
Why don't you talk about what happens when they get old and the cost to fix them? This makes you disingenuous.
10,000$ to replace the battery pack. That’s the only you need to replace after 500,000 miles
Tesla lowers costs to make EVs? Then why the utterly idiotic and useless full glass roof still there? That stupid thing costs a fortune to manufacture AND to insure ( they are like 3000 USD at the very least to replace and they DO break ). And all it does is to allow A LOT more heat into the cabin forcing you to run AC more, decreasing efficiency and range. Any glass roofs should be paid for options only! For gullible people susceptible to dodgy marketing ads.