Jozi's Story
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This is the sad story of a young female gorilla - Jozi - in one of our study groups who had her hand caught in a wire snare. This was set in the forest by poachers to catch antelopes, but, as can be seen, these snares are not selective in what they catch.
God bless Jozi, I know she's in Heaven with her Creator.
I am sorry Jozi was killed so horribly. It is a sin to harm animals like is to hurt humans, and we should protect them. God created us to help animals and keep watch over them.
They filmed her being in terrible pain and yet did nothing about it. She was staggering, wobbly, weak and nothing was done to save this animal. Why film these animals and be apathetic towards them? Shame, this animal could have been sedated and saved!!!
Hi Apologies for the long delay in getting back to you.
I can assure you that everything possible was done to try and save Jozi. I did the filming - to show all the problems. The vet in 1988 (The Late Barkley Hastings) did intervene and gave her an injection of antibiotics. I even have video of this. You can also see the bandage he put on the wound after cleaning it. Of course she eventually bit this off! Unfortunately, depite our efforts Septicaemia had set in. I was so upset at camp (and in tears) when she died that I wrote a long article about her for the then Dian Fossey fund about Jozi's life. While I was writing it I was listening to "Josie I won't fail you" by Donovan (my era!) ruclips.net/video/AzIsHs2nLBM/видео.html
Sadly we failed to save her - but we did try our best.
@@DrAlanGoodallisGorillaGoodall thank you for your efforts! It's hard for people to understand the intricacies of medicine sometimes! Thank you for all you do!
Poor baby
ABSOLUTELY HEARTBREAKING ❤️🩹 I can Only Pray that Humans will STOP Killing these Beautiful animals. And their will be Laws Against setting any kind of Trap that injured or kill’s Animals!! CANT IMAGINE This Poor Gorilla suffering Like she did !! 😢 I just can’t understand how anyone could harm these animals.
Poor baby. This infuriates me.
I only liked the video because I wanted to keep it but I think this was the saddest thing I've ever seen ! GOD BLESS THEM
Many subscribers have asked about the gorillas who become injured - especially re the separate video of Jozi. Let me explain yet again. This was in the VERY early days of our studies of these rare gorillas - in their remote forest home. There was only one hospital - for humans - a long way away out of the forest! It was impossible to take any injured gorillas there! Luckily in late 1980's we started to have the help of Vets from USA, UK, Australia and other countries. A new Vet Centre was opened - just outside the park in 1988. The vets started to monitor all the gorillas - but only intervene if absolutely necessary. DESPITE what some people have written in other blogs here - They did their very best to help save Jozi. Sadly she died of septicaemia.
Today there is a much better vet service - given by 'Gorilla Doctors' - you can search for them on Google - and donate to help them in their important work.
I hope this clears up any further questions about how much we tried to help injured gorillas - then and now
With best wishes to all my subscribers for 2020!
Dr Alan
PS Since the war and Genocide I have been trying to help the humans in Rwanda. Recently, especially those who were evicted from their forest home when the park was created for the gorillas. They used to be called Batwa - but now, after the new laws in Rwanda against ethnic divisions - they have to be called 'Historically Marginalised People'. You can find out more by searching on Google for AIMPO, and GOFUNDME re funding for a new school for Batwa in Rwanda. I hope you can help!
I know this was a research group, but whatever the protocols it strikes me as abominable to leave an animal, or human in such pain when you are able to do something about it
I totally agree they could have helped her and still did their story, she was suffering!
The video clearly said she was wrapped up and put on antibiotics why couldn't they have made sure she was well enough to go back to her family🤦🤦🤦 just saying that was sad and didn't need to happen just to make a point well POINT TAKEN!!
@@shellybee9851 I think they should have used the old service revolver to blow the thing’s head off…. That would have ended it’s screaming
Also this is mid 80z....not even a multimedia phone
Not evenn
A dial up connection
This is a video that I made in 1988 when I was Director of Karisoke Research Centre - after the murder of Dian Fossey (who I had first worked with in 1970 when I began my research there)
This was to be used by the then Digit Fund (which had been set up by Dian) to raise awareness of the problems of poaching in the National Park - and to help them raise funds.
However, they decided that ‘it was too gruesome to show to people who may have just eaten dinner!” Considering the wide range of violence, death and destruction that one sees 24/7 on TV I found this very surprising!
As I later learned from my pygmy trackers in Kahuzi- Biega National Park in Zaire, the issue of so-called poaching was much more complicated than we first realised. These forest had once been as much their home as it was to the elephants, antelopes and gorillas. The creation of a National Park immediately dispossesed them of their land - and left them nowhere to go, no way to feed their families and a loss of their skills and traditions.
Unfortunately, Dian never accepted this and so waged her own private war on the Batwa pygmies in the Virungas - with terrible consequences for both sides.
Humans do such horrible things.
@@brianhubis3988 like dr Goodall Said its more complex than that. Those people are hungry. Eating what you kill is the way to do from générations to générations. They dont understand that we are protecting an animal. Helping the gorillas must Côme with significative help or alternatives for the communeauty or they wont help. And IT started with those kids. They are the one that can continue what some like dr Goodall and Diane have started.
Happy ending
Poachers don’t seem to care about life and probably have no concept of the ramifications of removing species from the chain. I think that taking poachers lives is inconsequential and leaving their bodies in the jungle for other poachers to maybe learn what could be in store for them.
Actually - as I learned - it is much more complicated than that! The 'poachers' were mainly from the ethnic group previously known as Batwa. Due to new laws in Rwanda all ethnic group names have been forbidden. However, this group lived in theese forests, and evolved harmoniously for thousands of years with other animals in this environment. In Rwanda, unlike across the border in DRC - gorillas were never eaten - just forest antelopes and other small animals. These were hunted exclusively for food - to feed their families as they had always done. However, when the National Park was created - with no discussion involving these indigenous peoples - they were evicted! No compensation for 'their forest', no jobs - and, no way to feed their families!! So, if it was you - with starving children to feed - what would you do? Unfortunately very little has been done to help them adapt to a new life outside THEIR forest! I advocated tourism - with, as I found in Kahuzi-Biega, some of the Batwa being used as guides and trackers for the tour groups. Dian Fossey was totally against tourism - she never understood or even tried to understand the REAL PROBLEMS of the Batwa! And so, in her IGNORANCE< RACISM AND PREJUDICE - she waged 'war' against them. However, unlike as portrayed in the movie 'Gorillas in the Mist' - she was NOT murdered by 'poachers' She was murdered at the behest of rich members of the previous government - because she stood in thier way of making lots of money! For example - see how much tourism brings into Rwanda today - many millions of $$$$$'s Very little, if any goes to help the people who once called these forests 'home' So, would you still kill them and leave their bodies in the forest?
@@DrAlanGoodallisGorillaGoodall - If my choice is between having gorillas or having people, I vote to preserve the gorillas, or lions, or tigers, or elephants.
@@silverbackV Hi again. Evolution by the process of Natural Selection has - in our geological time scale past - produced a 'balance' - ie the best possible compromise. Unfortunately we 'humans' have upset that balance. However, as I saw in Rwanda in 1994 - 'Genocide' is no answer! BUT - maybe the fast growing powers of Ai and especially AGI will make your choice for you - sooner rather than later according to some researchers! Myself. I prefer "Conservation Management" - for the total environment including plants, animals and man. Sadly, it seems I am seen as an 'idealist!' So, maybe AGI will decide after all!
I would love to work with the BEAUTIFUL animals but this broke my heart ❤!!! I would be crying all the time bc I feel so much love for them, it must be so hard for u as well I love your dedication and love all u videos hope their is more!!! as far as snares wish we had all the answers to help these wonderful animals, do u know the number we have for mountain gorillas today I heard they going up if so I am happy bc we need them more then they need us, and their eyes every time I look at theirs seems like they have so many stories they could tell bc they are so deep!!!
thanks for the preview..i will not watch any video showing an animal in pain....
Who wrote the ridiculous music on these videos? That poor Gorilla didn’t do anything to deserve her fate. Just being a Gorilla and humans had to do what humans tend to be best at. Ruining everything around them.
The music was to set a scene to contrast the normal playful life of the gorillas in the wild - with the sad episode of Jozi. Not all humans are as bad as others - I think people in many poor countries set traps for their food. Unfortunately here it was then in a National Park from where the trap setters (Batwa Forest pygmies) had been evicted from their traditional homes, and they had no other way of feeding their families! While this was completely wrong - and had terrible consequences here - maybe you can give them some 'wriggle room' in your understanding. And, of course think a bit wider re supporting music! Cheers!
@@DrAlanGoodallisGorillaGoodall there are always two sides to every tragedy. I totally respect you and what you do. For two weeks I have been glued to watching documentaries about gorillas. It’s insane looking at these creatures and seeing the similarities to our own species. Much respect for you Doc!
@@TheCarelessAquarius I am happy that you enjoy my work Mike! I shot these films over thirty years ago and like to share my unique experiences - even the sad ones as well as the happy ones - enjoy!
This video is so hard to watch I appreciate the upload though but is there a full-length documentary on the alpha male of this group I think his name is ziggs
Poor baby girl. This must have been so painful. Damn humans can be so inhuman. Sorry baby girl.
Hey Doc, I love your passion for these majestic creatures. I do however think the poacher (hungry villager) is only doing what he has to do , to survive. To put him in prison for five years, is unreal in my opinion. The money that is spent on paying for people to be imprisoned or for the "patrols" could be spent to provide food and education for the locals. What a messed up world we live in, if people treat people like animals. People will, and can hold grudges towards the gorillas for their own plight. Maybe indiscriminate wire traps are cruel and inhumane, but people that are only trying to feed their family's shouldn't be locked up for "hunting the kings animals", as it were. I feel bad for the gorilla, but I also feel bad for the mans wife and children, whom are know subject to abuses and cruelties. I appreciate the awareness and understanding that you have brought to the world.
Thanks.
Hi I agree entirely - and if you read my iBook "The Wandering Gorillas" (Second Edition in Apple iBooks) you will understand why! Unfortunately Dian Fossey NEVER understood the problems of the local people - and never even tried to! In fact the forest had been the home for thousands of years to the Batwa pygmies - and they were EVICTED - to create the park for the gorillas! No compensation and no jobs or ways to feed their families - so they had to resort to whatever means they could. For years now I have been trying to help them - through their own agency (AIMPO.com) You will be amazed to hear that one of them has since earned a Masters Degree - and is now studying in Belgium for a second Masters! His wife has just passed a Bachelors! However, they are ALL in a very difficult situation in Rwanda - where, due to the recent law, they cannot even call themselves Batwa or Indigenous. They have to call themselves 'Historically Marginalised People!' I hail from Scottish Ancestry - and even the English never did that - though they did ban the Tartan and the kilt! Thank you for understanding what many people (especially Dian Fossey( refused to even consider! Best wishes Alan
There to stupid not to stick there hands in traps!! Over and over
Jozi was not being stupid - but you are! These traps are cleverly hidden so that ANY animals (usually antelopes) can ACCIDENTALLY step in them whilst walking along in dense vegetation. Maybe get an expert to set some and see if you can avoid getting your neck caught?
I felt very bad for that poor girl, especially when she would cry in pain.
When you guys had her knocked out asleep ,why didn't you guys Doctor her hand, or even remove it, disinfect it. Give an antibiotic shot. This is done all the time with Wildlife. The interference had already been done by the. Man that set the trap, and the tranquilizer used to be able to remove the hand from snare. I feel that by making the prison sentence being 5 years ,it will help deter this happening by others.
RIP
JOZI!
♥
Poor Jos’s die 😫
how she must have suffered with the pain...!
Какие же малыши потешные 😁
Why oh why wasn't she treated, she was obviously severely injured and in a great deal of pain. I understand the dilemma of not wishing to interfere with the natural development of these animals however I maintain that humans have already interfered with their natural development when the snares are placed in their habitat. These are such beautiful and magnificent creatures and there are such a precious few, again primarily by human interaction with them, that I think intervention in cases such as this is warranted. I understand that in recent years the number of mountain gorillas has risen however there are still such a precious few, and it's just my opinion, but I feel that more aggressive treatment of such illnesses and injuries is warranted in the attempt to save the species as a whole! And NO animal should be left to suffer needlessly as poor Jozi was made to suffer!
Why are you assuming that they did nothing else for her? They in fact did give her a treatment of antibiotics, which is about as much as they could do! They can't just take a Gorilla out of the jungle for months of rehabilitation, it's not that easy, especially at her age! She would have been out for months, let alone the next god knows how long of getting her prepared to send her back to the wild!
The men hurt her and the men did not help her. So sad to see.
Excuse me! For the benefit of ALL my subscribers. Maybe you Marisa - and others have not yet understood this tragic situation re Jozi.
I have TRIED to explain - in DETAIL - that the vets and I did EVERYTHING possible to save Jozi!!! She was darted with anaesthetic - with great difficulty and considerable DANGER to us from the HUGE Silverback! Nevertheless the Vet - the Late Barclay Hastings - cleaned and dressed the wound, gave her antibiotics and we ensured she was OK to join her family. Unfortunately Jozi torn and bit off the dressing - and so the wound became exposed again. They always do that with wound dressings - like your cat or dog!
Unfortunately, as happens even with humans - septicaemia set in very quickly and she rapidly went downhill. In that era (1980's) there was NOTHING more we could have done!!! PLEASE - Do you, and the others who have condemned us - UNDERSTAND that????? We were ALL heartbroken! That is why I decided to make that video - to show the world the problems of these tarps - set by 'poachers' BUT, later I came to understand that mainly these were NOT 'poachers' - but forest people who had been displaced from their own forest home - where they had lived and hunted for many THOUSANDS of years! The ONLY way they could feed their families was to return to the forest and try and catch antelopes for food. Sadly and catastrophically, sometimes gorillas were caught accidentally.
Next time you got to the supermarket to buy your food - ask yourself WHAT YOU WOULD DO - to feed your family - if you had no money and no job and no income?
So, we MUST help the People who live in Rwanda, especially those that have been DISPLACED from their own forest homes - so that we can save the FOREST HABITAT, the ENVIRONMENT not only for the animals but for US. These forest are VITAL in our global rain cycle - and in combatting CLIMATE CHANGE. Which some people - out of ignorance or greed - try to say is a 'hoax'!!
Here endeth the lesson!
@@DrAlanGoodallisGorillaGoodall my dear doctor your explanation are very complete. i have a lot of dogs and some cat (rescued from the street) and i undestand what hard colud be life in that remote place. I may self some time has to cure the animals without vets. In that case of the young gorrilla if it were my pet i wold give her not only antibiotics but corticoids urgentely. Without dress the gound it is not necesary in some cases. However i know you and your group did everything you could do in that terribles circunstances with over population of people in a place so remote. Thanks for your kind explanation Sorry for my spanish-english. And i wish nowedays gorillas and their habitat were more protected from the government.
@@mentayflor Hi Maria You are welcome. Your English is fine! Thank you for your understanding! Besides antibiotics the vet may have given her other drugs - that he as an expert would have known to bee essential - but I did not see at the time when he injected her. I was busy keeping watch against the huge silverbacks - in case they charged us!
I too now have other animals that I have rescued here in the mountains - three Feral cats. You can see the short video of them here on my site. It is good when we all try, as you are doing, to help our fellow animals and humans. In Rwanda the remaining forest - and the gorillas are well protected by the government. Now they earn a LOT of money from tourism, especially to see the gorillas in their natural home. In 1974 I said this tourism was essential - but Dian Fossey fought against tourism vehemently. Imagine that - a foreigner telling local people they cannot have tourism - and the essential money it brings for development!
Dr Alan Goodall hi Dr Alan. I have watched your video with the cats. They are very cute. Nice video💙💜❤💚. I agree with you about the tourisme and when i watch gorillas videos i realize there is not poarcher nor trap It should be to protect tourists. And may be it is a reason because mountan gorillas are not at zoos. As you explaine it is obvius that government is protecting the gorilas because they bring money. I read the book of Diana Fossey meny year ago. And i think she protec the gorillas in her way and thanks to her job people noweday can know those amazing creatures. Thank you for your videos very nice channel.
@@DrAlanGoodallisGorillaGoodall excuse me, but didnt Diane die in effort to protect these gorillas? Also, the trekking is very intruisive. Cant see how this was the best option.
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Thank god my species has medicine