I think the most pleasing thing about this is that the British translator is not adopting a dodgy 'mock-Swedish' English accent. I hate it when broadcasters do that sort of thing. This chap's just speaking in his normal voice, and that's great. With Indian, Japanese, Chinese, European, South American or African speakers it sounds incredibly patronising and even quite offensive if the English translator tries to 'do' ethnic and becomes a sort of "Goodness gracious me!" parody. Yeeugh! So... bravo. Very refreshing. Thanks, on the man's behalf, for not making him sound like an idiot. I'm far too poor ever to be an EV person, so the charging tech means nowt to me, but I watched the whole video because I was so chuffed that you hadn't made the company representative sound like the 'Swedish Chef' character from The Muppet Show. Credit where credit's due, et cetera. 🙂
for me, the load balancing bit is the interesting thing. all destination chargers should be 22kw. all AC on cars should be 22kw capable. but if I park up at the train station, plug in at 7.30 in. the morning, I don't really need the charger to pump out at 22kw when I am parked up for 10+ hours. it could happily throttle back down to 7/5/3kw depending on capacity of the battery. if I gave the app my expected leave time perhaps. and a lower slower charge could be cheaper then full on max power charge.
I'm not sure why a commuter train station charger would need to be 22kW. Rather than pay for 5 expensive 22kW chargers that are then throttled to 3kW, why not install 20 cheap 3kW chargers (3 pin plugs with an RFID lock or central payment point on them maybe?). Most cars will be there for many hours. Or, to put it another way - it doesn't make commercial sense to have that higher capacity charger and then allow the customer to block it for hours and a lower tariff.
Nice looking EVSE (it's not a charger). Definitely usefull having solar smart control although not a fan of cloud control (other than the band)! Much prefer local control (i.e. a Home Assistant smart powerpoint). I must admit I still prefer the flexibility of a couple of cheap portable 7kw EVSE's one permantly at home, one for road trips so that we can charge at 7kw away from home (also at a fraction of the price).
Robert it would be great to see you putting commercial EV chargers on the spot about improving reliability, obviously, but also better interfaces at the charger. We all know it's still a roll of the dice turning up at many locations. Third Saturday was a classic : I dropped in unplanned at a small service station on the A1 near Grantham and found that the unit required the Alfa app but was in a near dead zone for mobile connectivity. If I didn't already have the app I'd have been stuffed and alfa would have missed out on revenue. As it was I managed to get charging started but the signal was so weak I had to go onto the footbridge over the A1 to stop charging. To me the ideas of service membership and app-only charging are dead ducks. Paying by tapping a bank card to start and stop charging is much more reliable, although having said that ALL of the Shell units at Buckden roundabout on the A1 were completely dead this Friday! One thought : maybe a service based on number plate recognition and direct debit would be a goer.
Not number plate, this can be abused too easily, maybe something like the tesla use, onboard ECU with chassis number linked to your account that you can change when getting a new car?
I'd say either: contactless (Visa / Mastercard / Amex), or 'plug and charge' (where the vehicle, if the vehicle and charging station support it, communicate, and the vehicle conveys payment information). Contactless is an 'easy win' for charging station makers, but - for that delightful Tesla plug-in-and-walk-away experience - that'd need something like the 'Plug and Charge' standard. Unfortunately, from what I've seen with the 'Plug and Charge' standard, it seems unnecessarily complicated and I'd be surprised if the user experience [of setting it up, and billing] is actually any good. In an ideal world, I imagine a technology standard where your vehicle just sends a payment card token (again, Visa / Mastercard / Amex / etc) to the charging station via the cable you've plugged in. Essentially: contactless, but via the cable. For fancier cars, you'd add your payment card(s) via the car's touchscreen, and for lower-tech cars, perhaps via an app available for the vehicle. For now, it seems - to me, at least - like contactless is the least evil quick-and-easy solution.
Yeah the map just looks a blank mess so why would you trust it when they can’t do the simple things like price and who can install in the U.K. I looked at the map and was thinking - yeah that works well 😮 Immediately just thought company looks a waste of space and lost all interest.
Nice looking and the cable/plug look great being lightweight. Did he say it would work in conjunction with a smart meter and grid pricing .ie. charging anytime the wholesale price goes down to a prescribed level?
Nothing against zappy, but this charger is so beautiful it is the first non Tesla brand home charger I would consider. WOW. Great functions and looks. I hope they are available in the USA.
You’re referring to the double charger as being for business and the single one for home use. I’m just waiting for that moment it’s standard for the _double charger_ to be for home use because most people have all electric cars rather than one ev and one ICE vehicle during the initial transition phase since it seems that once people have one ev they start looking to transition their other cars. So I’m thinking double home chargers will become more common, particularly if smart chargers mean cars can be left plugged in for delayed charging.
Chargeamps stuff is lovely to look at and to use but it is not durable. Mine is already splitting its dielectric after sitting on my driveway a few times.
I’d love to see FullyCharged do some more content that’s focused on Domestic Wind. Focus on companies like EcoRote etc. there’s not a lot of info about domestic wind turbine out there is someone is interested. I’m talking
Wow £1200 for a charger - don’t doubt they are brilliant well built units but really over £1000 for a box at the from of your house. Lest time I looked others were £300-600 and do exactly the same if not more.
Without the ability to charge without using a cloud based app makes this a huge NO, from me. Local Comms issues could leave you stranded, and should the vendor go out of business you are stuffed.
Agreed. That was my first concern. There should be a way for the device to be preconfigured to a profile and keycard/lock to allow the owner to use it immediately.
@@DavidWoodCodesleuth If you had listened to the video you would have learned something. You don't have the cloud feature if you only have it at home. That is for business use to manage multiple chargers.
@@sadiqmohamed681 "via a cloud application or via an app" 1:38 (an app is still a cloud application) - what have I missed here? I don't seem to have learned anything.
@@DavidWoodCodesleuth an app is not necessarily a cloud application, though the confusion is understandable. While apps often rely on an active internet connection to cloud services, it's perfectly possible to make apps that don't rely on the cloud.
Clearly my layman's understanding of this is too simplistic but I just don't get why vehicle manufacturers are dragging their heels on V2G as it will be game changing for so many reasons. It will be a great selling point for charger manufacturers and EV's alike as well as offering massive benefits to the local grid in reducing early evening peak usage. Although it will be interesting to see if it hits the home energy storage market.... if you don't have solar to capture during the day then sticking 60-70 kwh in your EV at 7.5p/kw overnight then running your house off your car when you get home in the evening would seemingly negate the need for additional storage.
Cloud-Based control.... so the "charger" gets a paperweight once the company wents bancrupt (or devides not to support their "outdated, old, legacy" chargers)? Sounds great and incredible sustainable.... 🤦🤦♂🤦♀
make et simple stupid. Give me tech that I do not need an App to control. When the company stops servicing the app, the tech will eventually stop working.
Every charger for your domestic, that is not a bi directional charger is already antique. Why would one even build them anymore. And in a carpark, it should be also V2G
This was very awkward to watch. I like what they've done with the lightness of the cable, and if they bring out a 10m version I'll buy it straight away - however this felt like an Ad. Not just because Robert asked questions in an almost promotional/fanboy-esque way, but my god I've never seen someone speak using press release snippets as a vocabulary. I learned little of value other than they're off delighting customers, and using premium materials and .... well, overall a commercial in disguise from Charge Amps Paul who's unable to speak plainly.
This app is a gimmick, the car will have a charge timer , Garo ( another Swedish company) has tethered option and load balancing as all others should. I suppose this ad will pay for the team to fly out to the tech development.
Another one of FCs episodes.where Bobby sits there all googly eyed and let's them deliver marketing nonsense without any actual journalism involved. Nice puff piece, princess.
If it doesn't catch alight first. EV's with safety recalls for fire. Renault Zoe, Peugeot-e, BMW i4, Mercedes C class, Mercedes EQS, Mercedes GLC, Mercedes S class, Ford Focus, Chevrolet Bolt, Hyundai Ioniq, DS7 Crossback, Hyundai Kona, Mercedes EQC, VW Arteon ehybrid, VW Passat GTE, Ford Focus mHEV, Ford Puma mHEV, Ford Fiesta mHEV, Opel Ampera e, Mercedes eSprinter, Skoda Citygo e, Mercedes eVito, VWeUP, Seat Mini electric, Mini Country PHEV, BMWi8, BMWX5PHV, BMW X3 PHEV,BMW X2 PHEV, BMW X1 PHEV, BMW 7 series PHEV, BMW 5 series PHEV, BMW 3 series PHEV, BMW 2 series active tourer, Land Rover Discovery Sport PHEV, Land Rover Evoque MHEV, Hyundai Kauai, Audi A4, Audi A 5, Audi A 6, Audi A7, Audi Q5, Ford Puma MHEV, Ford Kuga MHEV, Renault Zoe, Audi eTron. Not the complete list.
Went out this weekend fully intending to bin my diesel truck and get an electric car. Looked at all the makes in my 40k budget... new and second hand. Nope. We are not there yet. Every one I looked at had range, build or cost issues. After finance, electricity charging costs each night (2+ hr commute each day) etc, it made far more sense to buy a petrol car. Electric is still not the future at this point. The infrastructure isn't there
I think the most pleasing thing about this is that the British translator is not adopting a dodgy 'mock-Swedish' English accent. I hate it when broadcasters do that sort of thing. This chap's just speaking in his normal voice, and that's great.
With Indian, Japanese, Chinese, European, South American or African speakers it sounds incredibly patronising and even quite offensive if the English translator tries to 'do' ethnic and becomes a sort of "Goodness gracious me!" parody. Yeeugh!
So... bravo. Very refreshing. Thanks, on the man's behalf, for not making him sound like an idiot.
I'm far too poor ever to be an EV person, so the charging tech means nowt to me, but I watched the whole video because I was so chuffed that you hadn't made the company representative sound like the 'Swedish Chef' character from The Muppet Show.
Credit where credit's due, et cetera. 🙂
I have the "Halo" and it works fantastic
Looks good and the cable size was very interesting
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Before I watched I was wondering if this Swedish charger came in a number of brown cardboard boxes with an Allen key and pictorial instructions.
for me, the load balancing bit is the interesting thing. all destination chargers should be 22kw. all AC on cars should be 22kw capable.
but if I park up at the train station, plug in at 7.30 in. the morning, I don't really need the charger to pump out at 22kw when I am parked up for 10+ hours. it could happily throttle back down to 7/5/3kw depending on capacity of the battery.
if I gave the app my expected leave time perhaps.
and a lower slower charge could be cheaper then full on max power charge.
I'm not sure why a commuter train station charger would need to be 22kW. Rather than pay for 5 expensive 22kW chargers that are then throttled to 3kW, why not install 20 cheap 3kW chargers (3 pin plugs with an RFID lock or central payment point on them maybe?). Most cars will be there for many hours. Or, to put it another way - it doesn't make commercial sense to have that higher capacity charger and then allow the customer to block it for hours and a lower tariff.
In the United States, all the charge points have tethered cables.
Nice looking EVSE (it's not a charger). Definitely usefull having solar smart control although not a fan of cloud control (other than the band)! Much prefer local control (i.e. a Home Assistant smart powerpoint). I must admit I still prefer the flexibility of a couple of cheap portable 7kw EVSE's one permantly at home, one for road trips so that we can charge at 7kw away from home (also at a fraction of the price).
Robert it would be great to see you putting commercial EV chargers on the spot about improving reliability, obviously, but also better interfaces at the charger. We all know it's still a roll of the dice turning up at many locations. Third Saturday was a classic : I dropped in unplanned at a small service station on the A1 near Grantham and found that the unit required the Alfa app but was in a near dead zone for mobile connectivity. If I didn't already have the app I'd have been stuffed and alfa would have missed out on revenue. As it was I managed to get charging started but the signal was so weak I had to go onto the footbridge over the A1 to stop charging. To me the ideas of service membership and app-only charging are dead ducks. Paying by tapping a bank card to start and stop charging is much more reliable, although having said that ALL of the Shell units at Buckden roundabout on the A1 were completely dead this Friday! One thought : maybe a service based on number plate recognition and direct debit would be a goer.
Not number plate, this can be abused too easily, maybe something like the tesla use, onboard ECU with chassis number linked to your account that you can change when getting a new car?
I'd say either: contactless (Visa / Mastercard / Amex), or 'plug and charge' (where the vehicle, if the vehicle and charging station support it, communicate, and the vehicle conveys payment information).
Contactless is an 'easy win' for charging station makers, but - for that delightful Tesla plug-in-and-walk-away experience - that'd need something like the 'Plug and Charge' standard. Unfortunately, from what I've seen with the 'Plug and Charge' standard, it seems unnecessarily complicated and I'd be surprised if the user experience [of setting it up, and billing] is actually any good.
In an ideal world, I imagine a technology standard where your vehicle just sends a payment card token (again, Visa / Mastercard / Amex / etc) to the charging station via the cable you've plugged in. Essentially: contactless, but via the cable. For fancier cars, you'd add your payment card(s) via the car's touchscreen, and for lower-tech cars, perhaps via an app available for the vehicle.
For now, it seems - to me, at least - like contactless is the least evil quick-and-easy solution.
Weirdly, their 'Find a Reseller' page finds no results in the UK... are there really none yet?
Yeah the map just looks a blank mess so why would you trust it when they can’t do the simple things like price and who can install in the U.K. I looked at the map and was thinking - yeah that works well 😮 Immediately just thought company looks a waste of space and lost all interest.
Nice looking and the cable/plug look great being lightweight.
Did he say it would work in conjunction with a smart meter and grid pricing .ie. charging anytime the wholesale price goes down to a prescribed level?
Nothing against zappy, but this charger is so beautiful it is the first non Tesla brand home charger I would consider. WOW. Great functions and looks. I hope they are available in the USA.
Tell them the price son..
Reality is all of these chargers shouldn't be super expensive. They are just a fancy power point
You’re referring to the double charger as being for business and the single one for home use. I’m just waiting for that moment it’s standard for the _double charger_ to be for home use because most people have all electric cars rather than one ev and one ICE vehicle during the initial transition phase since it seems that once people have one ev they start looking to transition their other cars.
So I’m thinking double home chargers will become more common, particularly if smart chargers mean cars can be left plugged in for delayed charging.
well the double socket is around 15000 SEK.
Interesting feature - thanks
Trying to find the nearest reseller in uk search doesn't work on his website.....
Nice looking gear. 🔋⚡👍
Chargeamps stuff is lovely to look at and to use but it is not durable. Mine is already splitting its dielectric after sitting on my driveway a few times.
I wish they did the Halo untethered! We have 2 EVs with different sockets!
I'll stick with Zappy. I don't care about -25 degrees - and I live in Scotland. The cloud is a definite no.
Can there be a consolidated effort to seek and promote Bi-directional chargers? It's a crucial key step.
Needs standards. ISO 15118-20 expected to be approved this year for CCS.
You should look into Easee, also in Sweden, with a nice design. No tethered cable doe
Easee is Nordic, not from Sweden but from Norway. Although CTEK is another Swedish brand producing EVSEs
@@hrdgrd Oh, that's true, they have entered the Swedish and that's how I heard about and used them
Nice promo but I wish Robert had asked for details about this cloud app business. Didn't understand a word of it!
What's wrong with being able to use you debit card as well, some people don't want a smart phone or use it to pay for things.
I’d love to see FullyCharged do some more content that’s focused on Domestic Wind. Focus on companies like EcoRote etc. there’s not a lot of info about domestic wind turbine out there is someone is interested. I’m talking
Great 👍
Wow £1200 for a charger - don’t doubt they are brilliant well built units but really over £1000 for a box at the from of your house. Lest time I looked others were £300-600 and do exactly the same if not more.
Without the ability to charge without using a cloud based app makes this a huge NO, from me. Local Comms issues could leave you stranded, and should the vendor go out of business you are stuffed.
Agreed. That was my first concern. There should be a way for the device to be preconfigured to a profile and keycard/lock to allow the owner to use it immediately.
@@DavidWoodCodesleuth If you had listened to the video you would have learned something. You don't have the cloud feature if you only have it at home. That is for business use to manage multiple chargers.
@@sadiqmohamed681 I must have missed this. I did listen to the whole video, but I'll watch it again
@@sadiqmohamed681 "via a cloud application or via an app" 1:38 (an app is still a cloud application) - what have I missed here? I don't seem to have learned anything.
@@DavidWoodCodesleuth an app is not necessarily a cloud application, though the confusion is understandable. While apps often rely on an active internet connection to cloud services, it's perfectly possible to make apps that don't rely on the cloud.
So now we will have charger envy?
Clearly my layman's understanding of this is too simplistic but I just don't get why vehicle manufacturers are dragging their heels on V2G as it will be game changing for so many reasons. It will be a great selling point for charger manufacturers and EV's alike as well as offering massive benefits to the local grid in reducing early evening peak usage. Although it will be interesting to see if it hits the home energy storage market.... if you don't have solar to capture during the day then sticking 60-70 kwh in your EV at 7.5p/kw overnight then running your house off your car when you get home in the evening would seemingly negate the need for additional storage.
Cloud-Based control.... so the "charger" gets a paperweight once the company wents bancrupt (or devides not to support their "outdated, old, legacy" chargers)? Sounds great and incredible sustainable.... 🤦🤦♂🤦♀
it'll still work without cloud features, Afaik it's not bricked without the company. I could use mine without connecting it to a service.
make et simple stupid. Give me tech that I do not need an App to control. When the company stops servicing the app, the tech will eventually stop working.
**THIS** 👀👆👆👆
Nothing wrong with analogue
mine worked without the app (for "dumb" charging). it's better connected though, but works for just charging with not features.
Sorry but I couldn't get past the first minute... "We're now delighting customers" just sounded too much like a corporate advertorial.
Every charger for your domestic, that is not a bi directional charger is already antique. Why would one even build them anymore. And in a carpark, it should be also V2G
This was very awkward to watch. I like what they've done with the lightness of the cable, and if they bring out a 10m version I'll buy it straight away - however this felt like an Ad. Not just because Robert asked questions in an almost promotional/fanboy-esque way, but my god I've never seen someone speak using press release snippets as a vocabulary. I learned little of value other than they're off delighting customers, and using premium materials and .... well, overall a commercial in disguise from Charge Amps Paul who's unable to speak plainly.
Yep- it was very frustrating hearing Robert ask a question, and the answer being unrelated.
So we in Sydney Australia 11th - 12th March 2023, Paul Routlledge
This app is a gimmick, the car will have a charge timer , Garo ( another Swedish company) has tethered option and load balancing as all others should. I suppose this ad will pay for the team to fly out to the tech development.
looks nice, could they throw in some meatballs & lingonberries or somethin'.
A simple button would work just fine, this is classic data mining and subscription rip off.
Again, Robert, they are not “chargers”. Accuracy in technology reporting, please.
It looks an unsightly mess. Andersen A2 have the answer.
Another one of FCs episodes.where Bobby sits there all googly eyed and let's them deliver marketing nonsense without any actual journalism involved. Nice puff piece, princess.
If it doesn't catch alight first.
EV's with safety recalls for fire. Renault Zoe, Peugeot-e, BMW i4, Mercedes C class, Mercedes EQS, Mercedes GLC, Mercedes S class, Ford Focus, Chevrolet Bolt, Hyundai Ioniq, DS7 Crossback, Hyundai Kona, Mercedes EQC, VW Arteon ehybrid, VW Passat GTE, Ford Focus mHEV, Ford Puma mHEV, Ford Fiesta mHEV, Opel Ampera e, Mercedes eSprinter, Skoda Citygo e, Mercedes eVito, VWeUP, Seat Mini electric, Mini Country PHEV, BMWi8, BMWX5PHV, BMW X3 PHEV,BMW X2 PHEV, BMW X1 PHEV, BMW 7 series PHEV, BMW 5 series PHEV, BMW 3 series PHEV, BMW 2 series active tourer, Land Rover Discovery Sport PHEV, Land Rover Evoque MHEV, Hyundai Kauai, Audi A4, Audi A 5, Audi A 6, Audi A7, Audi Q5, Ford Puma MHEV, Ford Kuga MHEV, Renault Zoe, Audi eTron. Not the complete list.
Went out this weekend fully intending to bin my diesel truck and get an electric car.
Looked at all the makes in my 40k budget... new and second hand.
Nope. We are not there yet. Every one I looked at had range, build or cost issues.
After finance, electricity charging costs each night (2+ hr commute each day) etc, it made far more sense to buy a petrol car.
Electric is still not the future at this point.
The infrastructure isn't there