I would argue that Bruce Wayne actually being the mask doesn't diminish the importance of the Bruce Wayne persona. It's just a question of which persona is dominant.
That honestly sounds pretty dull. Maybe there could be a scene where he uses his detective skills to track some villain, but a whole movie about that would amount to Sherlock Holmes and Watson in bat/ bird costumes.
Did you like BVS? Because that was a detective thriller - as was The Dark Knight. The thing is with lists like this is that they can spread misinformation due to the author's misunderstanding of the subject. The DCEU Batman ticked every box that the comic characters offer - for better and for worse - and, regardless of this, a film adaptation doesn't HAVE TO tick any boxes at all; Batman can be a woman dressed in pink, who lives in a cave and is heinously impoverished - it can still be called an adaptation. Faithfulness shouldn't be the guage of quality but, sadly, it is in this day and age. It's sad, and it means more misinformation, but there we go.
Actually you forgot to say that the adam west batman was truly NOT a vigilante if you refer the adam west batman movie gordon says " BATMAN AND ROBIN ARE FULLY DEPUTISED AGENTS OF THE LAW !!!!!
@@Mohamad-m7md I played the first couple chapters... I don't like Telltale's sales model though. They release every chapter instead of the full game. I mean now it's a full game but back when you commented it was separated and sold by the chapter.. like TWD
He's not a detective? He's the self proclaimed world's greatest detective... also the best Batman movie is whichever is the best to you, it's entirely subjective.
Bales Batman was more consistent. Affleck tried to be more darker only to abandon it completely to be the comic relief it the justice leauge. I'm a keaton fan Burton's Batman will always be my fav perfect mix of comic and dark. Plus catwoman 😍
"The Dark Knight is not the best Batman film." That's not something that people get wrong though - it's subjective, much like your stance on the 60s show.
Did you not play Arkham Knight? Or any of the Arkham series for the matter? The detective aspect is still very much prominent today. Just not in recent comics and movies. the 90's to early 2000s' DCAU, The Batman, Brave and the Bold, Beware The Batman all had some sort of detective focus. Hell the last few straight to DVD movies like Scooby-Doo Meets Batman the Brave and The Bold have some of it too.
what do you mean "still" very much prominent? it was never prominent. and if it was, you wouldn't have to go to some mickey mouse video game to find it.
@@plasticweapon "Mickey mouse video game" you've clearly never played through and thus have missed out on arguably THE definitive interpretation of Batman. I pity you.
I love the arkham series but batman isn't much of a detective in them. He doesn't really find and peice things together on his own. He uses his detective vision to find clues and then outsources the the actual research of those clues to Barbara, Alfred, and Lucius
You didn't really disprove that Batman can't defeat anyone with enough prep time. Just being unlikely isn't proof, especially when you cited more evidence of him defeating unlikely foes than not.
I agree. its another opinion. he has shown an ability to stand toe to toe with some of the toughest villains and heroes. if he is beaten you could say that he simply didn't have enough prep time. his mortality only serves to make his triumphs more inspiring. Hes not the strongest hero, but his ingenuity makes him one of the coolest.
I love the yellow oval, it really pops on the Michael Keaton costume, and works great in more colourful depictions like Batman TAS, The Batman, and the Adam West costumes. I'm not so keen on the yellow outline around the larger bat though, except when the suit was all black like with the Cassandra Caine Batgirl costume.
And yes, BatMan COULD solo just about anyone in the Justice League, but he himself has stated that the reverse is ALSO true. Superman once lectured him for not having a contingency plan to stop HIMSELF, which indeed sounded hypocritical. Batman replied that he did, and that his contingency plan to stop himself was literally everyone else in the Justice League.
The idea that the Dark Knight is the best Batman movie isn't a misconception, it's an opinion. Saying "well, there's a better one" is also saying "many people's valid opinion is wrong, mine is right."
Maybe he meant it made more money. For movies, that usually mean "better". Either way though yeah its mostly opinion and im pretty sure dark knight did best
Even though I happen to agree with his opinion, I'm glad someone called him on this. I actually counted him as 'wrong' on most of his points, simply because he says something is true, doesn't make it so - despite what he wishes.
@@rwbimbie5854 I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree. That movie does a disservice to the comics and the more serious tone that Batman is known for nowadays.
Have people who have seen the batman tv series never read the 50's comic books???? A world where batman will often go into time and space in his rainbow batsuit with robin and bat-mite, and ace the bat bound..... Batman can be just as light as dark, it's all part of his tapestry....
I really enjoyed this list and really agree with all of them, especially the Adam West Batman discussion. Honestly, it was really one of my first introductions to the character and I know that I'm not alone there. Also, I whole-heartedly agree with you on the detective angle! I think that, perhaps, that Batfleck actually was the closest to seeing that, aside from Conroy's Mask of the Phantasm.
These are your opinion, not a general opinion. The Nolan trilogy is the best LIVE adaptation of Batman and the 70’s Batman is ridiculous if seen today, for those that don’t know about it and the Arkham series DOES highlight his detective ability. Again this you guys opinion who have not explored Batman media thoroughly
Here is the thing... Batman being able to take out everyone does not mean that everyone cannot take out him. Everyone who believes that Batman can beat anyone also believes that most characters can also beat/kill Batman.
Read then all star batman and robin, you have a heart attack from how many he kills there. You can even have a recent comic where he mutilated a mercenary and left him to die in the snow for nearly killing Grayson.
@@gsv740 ASBAR isn't canon and regardless it butchered Batman beyond belief. And there's no way that KGBeast is actually dead, I'm sure Batman knew that he would survive.
@@bibbyboxx2219 Yes yes of course he knew, no need to justify him. Injustice is also non-canon but he is also taken as an argument why I cannot take the comic of the famous writer Batman who wrote many masterpieces about him. What he is worse than those who wrote the plot for injustice. Only fucking in one comic made Batman a complete idiot psychopath this in under red hood. Why in hush he could kill him and here he does not want? The writer just spit in the direction of Batman. Because of him, many do not like Batman, because he seemed to have shown people that he was a hypocritical psychopathic killer. After such a Batman, it seems disgusting, I don’t want to worry about him, he said that the city does not need Batman, he is useless. The injustice writers are also great, again, for the sake of Batman’s good plot, they set a stupid fool. I know that the creators are trying to save the joker from death, but why should he throw mud at Batman. Why does he kill or almost kill the joker in hush, endgame? Why in the comics about the league he can kill? Why in the movies he kills? DC morons of course, maybe they understood it now and try to get him back to their roots.Batman is dark, he works better as an anti-hero. Many are tired of the fact that dc can’t decide if Batman is killing or not. Why do we need a moralist Batman if we already have a daredevil, nightwing (which by the way also killed), superman
yellow does make sense. in the dc universe and life itself, yellow is the colour of fear, fear was batmans entire motive, to strike fear into the hearts of enemies, using a childhood fear as a cowl etc. get your stories straight.
JayAllenAK17 That’s bullshit not a fact yellow means yellow it doesn’t relate to fear at all the fear doesn’t relate to any color anything can be scary no matter what it’s color
Personally, I am VERY impressed with the analysis of what makes "Batman" unique among superheroes for decades. If only there were to be a documentary mini-series about the Caped Crusader, it would help educate superhero fans everywhere. I just hope that it be narrated by someone like Morgan Freeman, John de Lancie, or even Sigourney Weaver, because their voices are as well known as their acting talents, too.
The detective skills are shown in dawn of justice when Bruce is trying to solve the mystery behind the identity of the White Russian then later figuring out is actually a cargo ship without any help from Alfred
one point not on the list is that too many people seem to think that Batman only does what he does because he gets a kick out of beating up poor people. it's kind of a mission of mine to get people to stop thinking that Frank Miller is the only person who's ever written for Batman, 'cuz as far as i'm concerned the Goddamn Batman is a bigger bane on the Dark Knight than the guy actually NAMED Bane
@Bruce Cumming Quite so! There was even a moment in the mid-80's comics in which Batman is shot by a sniper using the chest symbol to take aim, and you can see the steel plating revealed as the fabric tears away. Batman even remarks, "Of course I wear a target on my chest. I can't armor my head."
Brian Douglas Ahern In my opinion the yellow symbol looks better in a black suit just like Keaton’s suit and the black symbol looks better in a gray suit just like Affleck’s suit
"Batman never killed anyone" … Okay, That's a myth, I give you that, BUT, … Then you show a clip from "Batman Begins" where he glides away & leaves Liam Neeson to die... As he said in that movie... "I wont kill you, … But, I don't have to SAVE you." Neeson supposedly dies in that crash... However, you never see a dead body, Therefore no proof of death. But, If you wish to assume that he did die... Batman didn't CAUSE the death, He just allowed it to happen. & That isn't murder. No offense meant to anyone, Just stating an opinion.
6:29 well the Dark knight being the best Batman film is strictly an opinion it’s ok if someone thinks Dark knight is better than mask of the phantasm I mean the fans don’t all have to agree mask of the phantasm is the best
I can't really say anything about the Mask of the Phantasm movie, but you say it like a fact when it's subjective, pretty sure I can say Dark Knight is my favorite Batman film and not be wrong. But I actually think Batman Begins is the best Batman film, Dark Knight is the best Joker film so far, since he steals the show.
Lmfao, I'm all for respecting people's opinions, but did you really say mask of the phantasm was better then the dark knight. Come on dude let's be serious.
And here I thought someone would finally correct the misconception that he's never killed on purpose. I mean that was like the entire and biggest point to make. You corrected the part that says he's never killed, but immediately state he's never done so on purpose. But if you had researched this enough you'd know that isn't true either. Batman kills the shit out of people all the time... On purpose. Just depends what story your reading. You literally even show the famous page of him killing a mentally disabled guy in the video... You screwed the bat pooch on this one.
And let's not forget all those poor sad sacks in the Arkham games. Beaten into unconsciousness, multiple fractures and left outside on a chilly night, hours away from any real hope of medical aid? Dead, dead, dead, dead and did I mention, dead? XD
just wondering why they always cite the old comics as an example, when in the new he also showed a desire to kill, only someone always stopped him. Take the same final crisis or hush. Already many times it was proved that he can calmly kill only give a reason, as in the case with logan when he is shot at and he gets berserk rage
@@skreeog Moreover, the famous writer Frank Miller, who wrote many good stories for Batman, showed his cruelty. Only 2 stories (red hood and injustice) showed him to be a moron, and many still cite them as examples. Maybe the dictator is superman for them, too, is canonical? I would like the red hood story to be like in arkham games, where Jason is angry with Bruce that he left him to die rather than anger because of killing a joker. There were too many examples of killing a joker by a batman. I don’t understand why they decided to put him in a red hood with a bastard and a psychopath. He always killed when needed. For Grayson and Damian, he went to kill people.Even in that comic when Jason first dies, Batman went to kill the joker, but he was stopped, he became even more violent. I think that red hood presented a good character (Jason), but it's just spit in Batman
Also, if you want to count the Thomas Wayne version in Flashpoint, he brutally murders Eobard Thawne so Barry can tap into the speed force and fix the timeline.
I like the list and agree with most of what you said. But I have to argue number 8. Almost every super hero at one time or another has dealt with that question of which one they are the mask or the person behind the mask. That is a classic story line for most superheroes.
GJ rama filmcomicsexplained does some good ones. Seems more film than comics but pretty interesting stuff. It’s not a list video site more of a overall breakdown of a thing and his interpretation. Check out a few, at worse you’ve wasted 15 min
Batman editor Julie Schwartz said that DC Comics came up with the yellow Bat-insignia in 1964 because, back then, the original black-bat emblem was not considered distinctive enough to be trademarked.
WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE KILLED A TON IN THE GOLDEN AGE?? He killed semi often when he first debuted but after his first 3-4 years it became a rarity for DECADES!!! (while I dont claim to know every time bats has killed, I have read up at least thru detective comics no. 27- 120, worlds finest no. 1 thru 25, and batman numbers 1 thru 39). He Basically doesnt kill intentionally or even for the most part at all after robin came in. :/
@@erules2534 What a moron you look at, what comic of the year is an idiot. You are just a backward fanatic who does not read comics. If you don’t know a character, don’t comment on anything
So much of this was wrong. He is a detective, the movie thing is your opinion (one we share, but still an opinion). He never kills on purpose and you even showed an image of Thomas Wayne for your example of him killing someone.
The funny thing about the 60s show, is that a section of fans complained about West's portrayal and deemed it too silly. It showed that fan complaints were nothing new. It's just not as loud when the only place you can complain is a fan newsletter as opposed to the entirety of the internet. :)
The problem with some of these is that they are opinion based not fact based. One example of this is the myth about which Batman movie is the best. It's pure preference not fact and this prevents this from being objective.
Bruce Wayne is the mask, imo, refers to the Playboy Fascade he presents to the world. That is the mask where Batman is much closer to his actual personality, with the Bat motif being the only part of the Dark Knight Detective that is adopted for a presentation to the world in order to instill fear in criminals. But neither as Bruce or as Batman is he really a bat afficianado in the main canon. He just picked it as a tool to help get criminals put off and to react poorly out of fear. Otherwise he'd just wear a plain outfit with plain mask, like in Year One it Mask of the Phantasm. Batman _has_ killed on purpose in the earliest Golden Age comics about him by Bob Kane. He used guns and killed if he felt he needed to, even shooting up a car with machine guns mounted to his Batplane on purpose to kill the inhabitants because he saw no other choice. PS, Batman is not only a Holmes level fictional detective, he is at least proficient, if not expert, in escape artistry, chemistry, biology, forensics, criminal psychology, criminology and more :)
Batman has used firearms before. Back when he was the "All Smiles" Batman, he gunned down several criminals with a sub-machine gun he took from them. Batman doesn't kill, unless he does. Him not using firearms and hating firearms, is a fairly recent ret-con. Batman doesn't have an issue with firearms or blame firearms for the death of his parents. He blames criminals and those that enable crime to be so rampant in Gotham City.
No, it wasn't a rairly recent retcon. Batman stopped using guns around the same time that his no-kill rule was implemented in the early 40s. Hell, he didn't even use a grappling gun until the late 80s.
@@bibbyboxx2219 So why does he need guns on a Batmobile and an airplane, for the sake of beauty, probably. Oh yeah, he wanted to kill Alexander Luthor with a pistol because he nearly killed Grayson. So do not say that he does not use them. He uses, but rarely, he has more style of ninja style. He also doesn’t like guns like with logan, but sometimes he uses
Well, yes and no. Yes, it was very popular and made Batman an household name, but the comics became way too campy at that time because of the show and if I remember correctly, DC almost canceled the comics because sales were so low. It was editior Julie Schwartz and creative team Dennis O'Neil and Neal Adams that brought Batman back to his darker roots in the 70s , which inspired many more writers and artists to take the character serious again. And then came Frank Miller with Dark Knight Returns in the late 80s which pretty much inspired everything that came afterwards. So, I don't know if you could say Batman 1966 "saved" the franchise if it almost killed it.
Basically, his no killing rule is based on not killing human beings. Sure he trapped KGBeast, but he did escaped. The Joker though, he really didn't kill him at the end of Killing Joke. We all know that their final confrontation was during Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns. Let's not forget, that the person who became the Joker didn't just lose his sanity, he lost his humanity as well.
Trying to be edgy and different is no reason to call The Dark Knight the third best batman movie although I am glad it's in your top 3 besides that great video
The matter of masks doesn't relate to differing aspects of Bruce Wayne but more so, why super heroes have masks and what they're for... Even if Bruce Wayne wasn't Batman he'd still wear a mask. Batman necessarily becomes who Bruce Wayne is.
I always thought it funny... even 40 years ago as a 10 year old... that the 'Ultimate Loner' (Batman) had sidekicks & family all over the place... While the one who would be seen as an outgoing & friendly type (Superman) had almost NONE (except Supergirl & they rarely were written together).
Sorry, but Batman can defeat anyone with enough prep time/ investigation. If you have a weakness, he'll find it and exploit it. You try to 1v1 Superman or Darkseid and let me know how it goes for you. But I do agree that having superheroes fight each other just for the luls is pretty weaksauce.
You showed clips from arkham games saying that they show batman not as a detective Have you played them? It's 1/3 of those games (Other is fighting and stealth)
SOMETIMES I FEEL THAT I AM THE ONLY ONE TO HATE FRANK MILLER AND HIS SERIES...HE JUST MADE BATMAN A LOT HELL LIKE A TRUE MURDERER....AND MADE HIM HAVE NO MORAL CODE.....IT'S JUST MY OPINION.
@@CerealKiller2 Have you not read TDKR? There is literally a Batman Vs Superman fight at the end that is so awesome I almost forgot how crappy everything else was, ALMOST.
Maheen Doha You’re wrong he’s not the one that made batman a killer but batman originally is a killer it just depends on the writer batman can be q killer if the writer wants to it’s totally fine as long as the story overall is good
I always hear that people think he isn’t nearly as much of an engineer. Lucius does everything. But that’s not true. Read any comic. Also about what you said with the symbol. The yellow is to make him look less terrifying to children
Batman says that he doesn’t use guns, then you see the batpod from dark knight and batmobile in justice league and you just question humanity all together
Infinite Crisis (one of those Crisisesessessess arcs) resulted in Darkseid standing over the defeated Justice League members, about to unleash the Anti-Life Equation on the universe. Batman saves the day by taking a nearby shotgun and pumping Darkseid full of lead. It was the ONLY option left. He INTENTIONALLY killed Darkseid because it was the absolute last resort.
Want to know when I checked out of this video and unsubscribed? "The Dark Knight needn't be so dark." First this line is so cheesy that I'm actually surprised it wasn't in either the Adam West show or Batman and Robin the movie. Second this shows that whoever wrote this script knows very little about the subject matter. Batman is not allowed to be happy. Content with existence at best. Is that realistic? No, but we are talking about a usually 35 or older man who has held onto the trauma of his parents dying when he was between the age of 7 and 15. There is no actual canon answer I can find for that one. Anyway that is at best a 20 year old pain that he never lets go of. Even in the best example of this, Batman Mask of the Phantasm, when right before he donned the cowl he visits his parents grave and pleads to not have to go thru with it because and I quote "it doesn't hurt as much anymore". He still does and even though he looks back he still marched forward. What compels a man with so much money that he could actually do good if he wanted to but instead he dresses up and plays a vigilante. In closing, no Batman is not allowed to be happy but that is the characters choice. Also I realize I went on a rant but given the title of the video would you expect anything less in response.
Another good one is Under the Red Hood, there’s also the Son of Batman. I don’t know if Batman VS Robin is any good as I haven’t seen it yet. Batman Subzero was also pretty good, even though it was originally intended to be an animated tie in to the live action movie Batman and Robin. It only turned out to be its own thing due to delays.
Captain Jakemerica I think mask of the phantoms was boring and return of the Joker was great it’s all opinions and batman under the red hood is the best batman movie ever in my opinion
I like how the what culture guys like to pretend the Burton films didn't have Batman killing a lot and don't get me started on the many many times Bale killed.
Number one thing that all RUclipsrs like WhatCulture Comics get wrong... Making inaccurate lists and claiming it's a list of things that people (get wrong, didn't know, etc)... If I could charge RUclipsrs a nickel for every flawed video they put up, I'd be rich.
The thing about the yellow symbol makes no sense is true same as the gray and the blue in batman costume when you think about a bat you usually think about black which means the only batman costume that makes sense is a full black costume BUT I still love the other costumes because they are iconic they don’t need to make sense so they can be good
This video is called 10 Things People Get Wrong About Batman. #4 is subjective, which doesn’t go with the title of the video.The Dark Knight is the best Batman movie is an opinion, having that in your list makes you appear as a person who doesn’t allow those people who praise the Dark Knight as the best to have an opinion
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I would argue that Bruce Wayne actually being the mask doesn't diminish the importance of the Bruce Wayne persona. It's just a question of which persona is dominant.
A detective thriller movie with Batman would be an amazing new take on the franchise
Let's hope Reeve's "The Batman" does it justice.
In the beginning, The Batman was above anything a Freakin Detecive. I understand though, he was so Much more.
Unfortunately the casual movie goer doesnt want to see a guy in a armored bat costume collecting hair samples or finger prints for analysis.
That honestly sounds pretty dull.
Maybe there could be a scene where he uses his detective skills to track some villain, but a whole movie about that would amount to Sherlock Holmes and Watson in bat/ bird costumes.
Did you like BVS? Because that was a detective thriller - as was The Dark Knight.
The thing is with lists like this is that they can spread misinformation due to the author's misunderstanding of the subject. The DCEU Batman ticked every box that the comic characters offer - for better and for worse - and, regardless of this, a film adaptation doesn't HAVE TO tick any boxes at all; Batman can be a woman dressed in pink, who lives in a cave and is heinously impoverished - it can still be called an adaptation. Faithfulness shouldn't be the guage of quality but, sadly, it is in this day and age.
It's sad, and it means more misinformation, but there we go.
Actually you forgot to say that the adam west batman was truly NOT a vigilante if you refer the adam west batman movie gordon says " BATMAN AND ROBIN ARE FULLY DEPUTISED AGENTS OF THE LAW !!!!!
*deputized agents of the law
I am vengeance
I am the night
I am BATMAN
*WE ARE BATMAN!*
(Bursting through the the ceiling window )
Wrong! I'M THE GODDAMN BATMAN!
You're a man dressed as a bat.
I'M MARRY POPPINS YALL!
*I’m M O N K Y* (T-poses)
Arkham origins displayed batmans detective skills
Hell, all the Arkham games did.
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batman the telltale series did it better it’s such an underrated game not a lot of batman fans care about it
@@Mohamad-m7md I played the first couple chapters... I don't like Telltale's sales model though. They release every chapter instead of the full game. I mean now it's a full game but back when you commented it was separated and sold by the chapter.. like TWD
He's not a detective? He's the self proclaimed world's greatest detective... also the best Batman movie is whichever is the best to you, it's entirely subjective.
The Joker True. Nolan didn’t create my favorite Batman (that honor goes to Snyder), but he did create my favorite live action Joker.
Sticking up for the bat Joker, we're going to have to revoke your membership from the villians pub.
Bales Batman was more consistent. Affleck tried to be more darker only to abandon it completely to be the comic relief it the justice leauge. I'm a keaton fan Burton's Batman will always be my fav perfect mix of comic and dark. Plus catwoman 😍
no he isn't. He has never said that, in fact, newb...if you knew anything about batman, you would know that HE considers SHERLOCK HOLMES the greatest.
good of you to stick up for your bf like this
"The Dark Knight is not the best Batman film." That's not something that people get wrong though - it's subjective, much like your stance on the 60s show.
Did you not play Arkham Knight? Or any of the Arkham series for the matter? The detective aspect is still very much prominent today. Just not in recent comics and movies. the 90's to early 2000s' DCAU, The Batman, Brave and the Bold, Beware The Batman all had some sort of detective focus. Hell the last few straight to DVD movies like Scooby-Doo Meets Batman the Brave and The Bold have some of it too.
Let's hope the Reeves "The Batman" dives more into it.
what do you mean "still" very much prominent? it was never prominent. and if it was, you wouldn't have to go to some mickey mouse video game to find it.
@@plasticweapon "Mickey mouse video game" you've clearly never played through and thus have missed out on arguably THE definitive interpretation of Batman. I pity you.
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I completed all Arkham story’s except for Arkham knight but I completed Arkham City, Arkham asylum, and Arkham origins on PS3
I love the arkham series but batman isn't much of a detective in them. He doesn't really find and peice things together on his own. He uses his detective vision to find clues and then outsources the the actual research of those clues to Barbara, Alfred, and Lucius
You didn't really disprove that Batman can't defeat anyone with enough prep time. Just being unlikely isn't proof, especially when you cited more evidence of him defeating unlikely foes than not.
I agree. its another opinion. he has shown an ability to stand toe to toe with some of the toughest villains and heroes. if he is beaten you could say that he simply didn't have enough prep time. his mortality only serves to make his triumphs more inspiring. Hes not the strongest hero, but his ingenuity makes him one of the coolest.
And no. 4 is subjective point
I love the yellow oval, it really pops on the Michael Keaton costume, and works great in more colourful depictions like Batman TAS, The Batman, and the Adam West costumes. I'm not so keen on the yellow outline around the larger bat though, except when the suit was all black like with the Cassandra Caine Batgirl costume.
And yes, BatMan COULD solo just about anyone in the Justice League, but he himself has stated that the reverse is ALSO true.
Superman once lectured him for not having a contingency plan to stop HIMSELF, which indeed sounded hypocritical. Batman replied that he did, and that his contingency plan to stop himself was literally everyone else in the Justice League.
Batman has contingency plans for his contingency plans.
The idea that the Dark Knight is the best Batman movie isn't a misconception, it's an opinion. Saying "well, there's a better one" is also saying "many people's valid opinion is wrong, mine is right."
Maybe he meant it made more money. For movies, that usually mean "better". Either way though yeah its mostly opinion and im pretty sure dark knight did best
@@undeadinside3571 The Dark Knight made more money, so that's not what he meant.
Even though I happen to agree with his opinion, I'm glad someone called him on this. I actually counted him as 'wrong' on most of his points, simply because he says something is true, doesn't make it so - despite what he wishes.
Obviously he wasnt counting the best Batman in a movie, the LEGO MOVIE
@@rwbimbie5854 I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree. That movie does a disservice to the comics and the more serious tone that Batman is known for nowadays.
The best batman movie is completely opinionated. Not factual at all.
that was clearly a joke.
@@ItsOver9000Productions yup
That's a fuckin joke
David Miranda es19b GD woah, I’d rather say as long as it’s not bvs AND Batman and Robin
Have people who have seen the batman tv series never read the 50's comic books????
A world where batman will often go into time and space in his rainbow batsuit with robin and bat-mite, and ace the bat bound.....
Batman can be just as light as dark, it's all part of his tapestry....
Ace the Bat hound, police use dogs to track criminals so not completely comical.
I really enjoyed this list and really agree with all of them, especially the Adam West Batman discussion. Honestly, it was really one of my first introductions to the character and I know that I'm not alone there. Also, I whole-heartedly agree with you on the detective angle! I think that, perhaps, that Batfleck actually was the closest to seeing that, aside from Conroy's Mask of the Phantasm.
Didn't really hear an actual arguement to dispel the whole "prep time" point of view.
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I didn't here a good argument for that either but I would say he could beat most people with prep time
Not all
These are your opinion, not a general opinion. The Nolan trilogy is the best LIVE adaptation of Batman and the 70’s Batman is ridiculous if seen today, for those that don’t know about it and the Arkham series DOES highlight his detective ability. Again this you guys opinion who have not explored Batman media thoroughly
A "The Long Halloween" adaptation could be the best film ever.
Here is the thing... Batman being able to take out everyone does not mean that everyone cannot take out him.
Everyone who believes that Batman can beat anyone also believes that most characters can also beat/kill Batman.
This video is pretty terrible. Points aren't well researched, making opinions seem like facts and that some of this is pretty much common sense
I like how they talk about Batman killing and show Thomas Wayne killing. Not Bruce.
Still Batman
Bruce has killed dozens upon dozens of times in his long history, many of which were straight up murder.
Read then all star batman and robin, you have a heart attack from how many he kills there.
You can even have a recent comic where he mutilated a mercenary and left him to die in the snow for nearly killing Grayson.
@@gsv740 ASBAR isn't canon and regardless it butchered Batman beyond belief. And there's no way that KGBeast is actually dead, I'm sure Batman knew that he would survive.
@@bibbyboxx2219 Yes yes of course he knew, no need to justify him. Injustice is also non-canon but he is also taken as an argument why I cannot take the comic of the famous writer Batman who wrote many masterpieces about him.
What he is worse than those who wrote the plot for injustice. Only fucking in one comic made Batman a complete idiot psychopath this in under red hood. Why in hush he could kill him and here he does not want?
The writer just spit in the direction of Batman. Because of him, many do not like Batman, because he seemed to have shown people that he was a hypocritical psychopathic killer. After such a Batman, it seems disgusting, I don’t want to worry about him, he said that the city does not need Batman, he is useless.
The injustice writers are also great, again, for the sake of Batman’s good plot, they set a stupid fool. I know that the creators are trying to save the joker from death, but why should he throw mud at Batman.
Why does he kill or almost kill the joker in hush, endgame? Why in the comics about the league he can kill? Why in the movies he kills? DC morons of course, maybe they understood it now and try to get him back to their roots.Batman is dark, he works better as an anti-hero. Many are tired of the fact that dc can’t decide if Batman is killing or not. Why do we need a moralist Batman if we already have a daredevil, nightwing (which by the way also killed), superman
yellow does make sense. in the dc universe and life itself, yellow is the colour of fear, fear was batmans entire motive, to strike fear into the hearts of enemies, using a childhood fear as a cowl etc. get your stories straight.
noice
The yellow around the bat was actually created to give them licensing rights and trademark over the symbol. I believe Julie Schwartz did that.
JayAllenAK17
That’s bullshit not a fact yellow means yellow it doesn’t relate to fear at all the fear doesn’t relate to any color anything can be scary no matter what it’s color
Personally, I am VERY impressed with the analysis of what makes "Batman" unique among superheroes for decades. If only there were to be a documentary mini-series about the Caped Crusader, it would help educate superhero fans everywhere. I just hope that it be narrated by someone like Morgan Freeman, John de Lancie, or even Sigourney Weaver, because their voices are as well known as their acting talents, too.
The detective skills are shown in dawn of justice when Bruce is trying to solve the mystery behind the identity of the White Russian then later figuring out is actually a cargo ship without any help from Alfred
Nice video, some of your points weren't very well researched, but still a good video.
6:30 "The best" is a subjective term though... and I rank Phantasm as my number one
one point not on the list is that too many people seem to think that Batman only does what he does because he gets a kick out of beating up poor people. it's kind of a mission of mine to get people to stop thinking that Frank Miller is the only person who's ever written for Batman, 'cuz as far as i'm concerned the Goddamn Batman is a bigger bane on the Dark Knight than the guy actually NAMED Bane
Hey What Culture, I appreciate you giving that shoutout to Bill Finger. RESPECT.
Batman Mask of The Phantasm is amazing I say it gives The Dark Knight a run for it's money
I have to agree with you on the yellow chest insignia. So much cooler, so much better.
@Bruce Cumming Quite so! There was even a moment in the mid-80's comics in which Batman is shot by a sniper using the chest symbol to take aim, and you can see the steel plating revealed as the fabric tears away. Batman even remarks, "Of course I wear a target on my chest. I can't armor my head."
Brian Douglas Ahern
In my opinion the yellow symbol looks better in a black suit just like Keaton’s suit and the black symbol looks better in a gray suit just like Affleck’s suit
Brian Douglas Ahern actually he can armor his head that’s bullshit
"Batman never killed anyone" … Okay, That's a myth, I give you that, BUT, … Then you show a clip from "Batman Begins" where he glides away & leaves Liam Neeson to die...
As he said in that movie... "I wont kill you, … But, I don't have to SAVE you."
Neeson supposedly dies in that crash... However, you never see a dead body, Therefore no proof of death.
But, If you wish to assume that he did die... Batman didn't CAUSE the death, He just allowed it to happen. & That isn't murder.
No offense meant to anyone, Just stating an opinion.
Batman didn't kill The Joker in The Killing Joke the title is metaphorical!!!
6:29 well the Dark knight being the best Batman film is strictly an opinion it’s ok if someone thinks Dark knight is better than mask of the phantasm I mean the fans don’t all have to agree mask of the phantasm is the best
I can't really say anything about the Mask of the Phantasm movie, but you say it like a fact when it's subjective, pretty sure I can say Dark Knight is my favorite Batman film and not be wrong. But I actually think Batman Begins is the best Batman film, Dark Knight is the best Joker film so far, since he steals the show.
KGBeast actually survived. He showed up just a few issue ago
Lmfao, I'm all for respecting people's opinions, but did you really say mask of the phantasm was better then the dark knight. Come on dude let's be serious.
That movie is overrated in my opinion it barely deserves a 7/10 score
And here I thought someone would finally correct the misconception that he's never killed on purpose. I mean that was like the entire and biggest point to make. You corrected the part that says he's never killed, but immediately state he's never done so on purpose. But if you had researched this enough you'd know that isn't true either. Batman kills the shit out of people all the time... On purpose. Just depends what story your reading. You literally even show the famous page of him killing a mentally disabled guy in the video... You screwed the bat pooch on this one.
And let's not forget all those poor sad sacks in the Arkham games. Beaten into unconsciousness, multiple fractures and left outside on a chilly night, hours away from any real hope of medical aid? Dead, dead, dead, dead and did I mention, dead? XD
just wondering why they always cite the old comics as an example, when in the new he also showed a desire to kill, only someone always stopped him.
Take the same final crisis or hush. Already many times it was proved that he can calmly kill only give a reason, as in the case with logan when he is shot at and he gets berserk rage
@@gsv740 Also take when he burned alive some chaps and then had sex with canary on the same wharf they were burning on.
@@skreeog
Moreover, the famous writer Frank Miller, who wrote many good stories for Batman, showed his cruelty. Only 2 stories (red hood and injustice) showed him to be a moron, and many still cite them as examples.
Maybe the dictator is superman for them, too, is canonical? I would like the red hood story to be like in arkham games, where Jason is angry with Bruce that he left him to die rather than anger because of killing a joker.
There were too many examples of killing a joker by a batman. I don’t understand why they decided to put him in a red hood with a bastard and a psychopath. He always killed when needed. For Grayson and Damian, he went to kill people.Even in that comic when Jason first dies, Batman went to kill the joker, but he was stopped, he became even more violent. I think that red hood presented a good character (Jason), but it's just spit in Batman
Also, if you want to count the Thomas Wayne version in Flashpoint, he brutally murders Eobard Thawne so Barry can tap into the speed force and fix the timeline.
The yellow also looks like the bat symbol light that Gordon uses to contact him.
The 60's show wasn't an aberration. It was awesome.
It was so cheesy it’s good kind of awesome but not really awesome
I like the list and agree with most of what you said. But I have to argue number 8. Almost every super hero at one time or another has dealt with that question of which one they are the mask or the person behind the mask. That is a classic story line for most superheroes.
For the whatculture comics channel can you do some more comic reviews like the question episode I’d love to here about some books I haven’t read
GJ rama filmcomicsexplained does some good ones. Seems more film than comics but pretty interesting stuff. It’s not a list video site more of a overall breakdown of a thing and his interpretation. Check out a few, at worse you’ve wasted 15 min
dmcgee3 thanks I’ll make sure to check them out
He's not just one man. He's BATMAN!
Matt Reeves while watching 9:35 of the video : Do you know the full name of DC ?
9:26 BATMAN WEARING LIPSTICK!!!!!!!
didn't you guys already make this video?
Im glad Red Hood is part of the Bat Family
Good job they copied marvel for that idea.
Same. Hes awesome~
funny enough that Jason todd used the identity of the man who killed him
The Arkham games focus on the detective aspect during some side missions and at certain parts in the main story.
Batman editor Julie Schwartz said that DC Comics came up with the yellow Bat-insignia in 1964 because, back then, the original black-bat emblem was not considered distinctive enough to be trademarked.
So happy that we got a whatculture comics upload 😀
WHY DO PEOPLE SAY HE KILLED A TON IN THE GOLDEN AGE?? He killed semi often when he first debuted but after his first 3-4 years it became a rarity for DECADES!!! (while I dont claim to know every time bats has killed, I have read up at least thru detective comics no. 27- 120, worlds finest no. 1 thru 25, and batman numbers 1 thru 39). He Basically doesnt kill intentionally or even for the most part at all after robin came in. :/
all star batman and robin say hello
@@gsv740 tHaTs nOt gOlDeN AgE
@@erules2534
What a moron you look at, what comic of the year is an idiot. You are just a backward fanatic who does not read comics. If you don’t know a character, don’t comment on anything
@@gsv740 All-Star isn't canon
Golden age Batman is Earth Two Batman
So much of this was wrong. He is a detective, the movie thing is your opinion (one we share, but still an opinion). He never kills on purpose and you even showed an image of Thomas Wayne for your example of him killing someone.
The funny thing about the 60s show, is that a section of fans complained about West's portrayal and deemed it too silly. It showed that fan complaints were nothing new. It's just not as loud when the only place you can complain is a fan newsletter as opposed to the entirety of the internet. :)
Our name for Batman (with a bit of slang) is “läder lappen” the peace of leather in english. What where translators thinking🤣
The problem with some of these is that they are opinion based not fact based. One example of this is the myth about which Batman movie is the best. It's pure preference not fact and this prevents this from being objective.
Bruce Wayne is the mask, imo, refers to the Playboy Fascade he presents to the world. That is the mask where Batman is much closer to his actual personality, with the Bat motif being the only part of the Dark Knight Detective that is adopted for a presentation to the world in order to instill fear in criminals. But neither as Bruce or as Batman is he really a bat afficianado in the main canon. He just picked it as a tool to help get criminals put off and to react poorly out of fear. Otherwise he'd just wear a plain outfit with plain mask, like in Year One it Mask of the Phantasm.
Batman _has_ killed on purpose in the earliest Golden Age comics about him by Bob Kane. He used guns and killed if he felt he needed to, even shooting up a car with machine guns mounted to his Batplane on purpose to kill the inhabitants because he saw no other choice.
PS, Batman is not only a Holmes level fictional detective, he is at least proficient, if not expert, in escape artistry, chemistry, biology, forensics, criminal psychology, criminology and more :)
Batman has used firearms before. Back when he was the "All Smiles" Batman, he gunned down several criminals with a sub-machine gun he took from them. Batman doesn't kill, unless he does. Him not using firearms and hating firearms, is a fairly recent ret-con. Batman doesn't have an issue with firearms or blame firearms for the death of his parents. He blames criminals and those that enable crime to be so rampant in Gotham City.
No, it wasn't a rairly recent retcon. Batman stopped using guns around the same time that his no-kill rule was implemented in the early 40s. Hell, he didn't even use a grappling gun until the late 80s.
@@bibbyboxx2219 So why does he need guns on a Batmobile and an airplane, for the sake of beauty, probably.
Oh yeah, he wanted to kill Alexander Luthor with a pistol because he nearly killed Grayson.
So do not say that he does not use them. He uses, but rarely, he has more style of ninja style. He also doesn’t like guns like with logan, but sometimes he uses
The whole prep time thing in my opinion is just really really stupid in my opinion
Batman 1966 saved Batman
It killed batman on the big screen
Andrei Aromanesei no Batman and Robin takes that honor
Well, yes and no. Yes, it was very popular and made Batman an household name, but the comics became way too campy at that time because of the show and if I remember correctly, DC almost canceled the comics because sales were so low. It was editior Julie Schwartz and creative team Dennis O'Neil and Neal Adams that brought Batman back to his darker roots in the 70s , which inspired many more writers and artists to take the character serious again. And then came Frank Miller with Dark Knight Returns in the late 80s which pretty much inspired everything that came afterwards. So, I don't know if you could say Batman 1966 "saved" the franchise if it almost killed it.
Basically, his no killing rule is based on not killing human beings. Sure he trapped KGBeast, but he did escaped. The Joker though, he really didn't kill him at the end of Killing Joke. We all know that their final confrontation was during Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns. Let's not forget, that the person who became the Joker didn't just lose his sanity, he lost his humanity as well.
Trying to be edgy and different is no reason to call The Dark Knight the third best batman movie although I am glad it's in your top 3 besides that great video
I didnt think Bale was much of a detective in the Nolan films either. I thought Affleck was more of one in BvS.
10 is the most true with movies. Not one has gotten the family aspect in the movies right yet.
While I love Batman The Animated Series and it's movies, I still believe that the Dark Knight Returns is better.
The matter of masks doesn't relate to differing aspects of Bruce Wayne but more so, why super heroes have masks and what they're for... Even if Bruce Wayne wasn't Batman he'd still wear a mask. Batman necessarily becomes who Bruce Wayne is.
I always thought it funny...
even 40 years ago as a 10 year old...
that the 'Ultimate Loner' (Batman) had sidekicks & family all over the place...
While the one who would be seen as an outgoing & friendly type (Superman) had almost NONE (except Supergirl & they rarely were written together).
Super man isn’t a loner
1:01 Batman is a team player.
Batman in Justice league doom: I have a plan to take out the entire Justice League
Sorry, but Batman can defeat anyone with enough prep time/ investigation. If you have a weakness, he'll find it and exploit it. You try to 1v1 Superman or Darkseid and let me know how it goes for you.
But I do agree that having superheroes fight each other just for the luls is pretty weaksauce.
Love your vids whatculture this was a great video
You showed clips from arkham games saying that they show batman not as a detective
Have you played them? It's 1/3 of those games
(Other is fighting and stealth)
We know, just don't take WhatCultureComics so serious alright!
Damn, I want Disney to make a stand-alone Bat-Man movie but we all know that won't happen 😂
The Dark Knight trilogy is still the best live action Batman films
Opinion -_-
I like rolling up the Wool-o and getting all schmoked up while watching Batmans
Batman can be happy? I think Dan Didio may have a few things to say about this.
I think contrary, Affleck is one of the best all around. He showed the intelligence and ingenuity
In my opinion he’s the definitive live action batman
@@Mohamad-m7md I think Adam West is the definitive detective
@@Batmanbeyyond
Yeah Adam West batman is obviously the smartest I mean just look at him
There's already a story out that shows KGBeast lived.
SOMETIMES I FEEL THAT I AM THE ONLY ONE TO HATE FRANK MILLER AND HIS SERIES...HE JUST MADE BATMAN A LOT HELL LIKE A TRUE MURDERER....AND MADE HIM HAVE NO MORAL CODE.....IT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I absolutely hated TDKR, it is WAY overhyped. The only thing good in it was the Batman vs Superman fight at the end.
@@intensifiedstudios Frank Miller wrote the comics not the movies
@@CerealKiller2 Have you not read TDKR? There is literally a Batman Vs Superman fight at the end that is so awesome I almost forgot how crappy everything else was, ALMOST.
@@intensifiedstudios I thought you refered to The Dark Knight Rises
Maheen Doha
You’re wrong he’s not the one that made batman a killer but batman originally is a killer it just depends on the writer batman can be q killer if the writer wants to it’s totally fine as long as the story overall is good
I always hear that people think he isn’t nearly as much of an engineer. Lucius does everything. But that’s not true. Read any comic. Also about what you said with the symbol. The yellow is to make him look less terrifying to children
Um, Hello? I heard no mention of Burgess Meredith as Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin?
Batman says that he doesn’t use guns, then you see the batpod from dark knight and batmobile in justice league and you just question humanity all together
5:23 uhh yes he will and yes he has.... intentionally
Infinite Crisis (one of those Crisisesessessess arcs) resulted in Darkseid standing over the defeated Justice League members, about to unleash the Anti-Life Equation on the universe. Batman saves the day by taking a nearby shotgun and pumping Darkseid full of lead. It was the ONLY option left. He INTENTIONALLY killed Darkseid because it was the absolute last resort.
the phantasma is the first batman movie i saw and to this day its still one of the best.
Want to know when I checked out of this video and unsubscribed? "The Dark Knight needn't be so dark." First this line is so cheesy that I'm actually surprised it wasn't in either the Adam West show or Batman and Robin the movie. Second this shows that whoever wrote this script knows very little about the subject matter. Batman is not allowed to be happy. Content with existence at best. Is that realistic? No, but we are talking about a usually 35 or older man who has held onto the trauma of his parents dying when he was between the age of 7 and 15. There is no actual canon answer I can find for that one. Anyway that is at best a 20 year old pain that he never lets go of. Even in the best example of this, Batman Mask of the Phantasm, when right before he donned the cowl he visits his parents grave and pleads to not have to go thru with it because and I quote "it doesn't hurt as much anymore". He still does and even though he looks back he still marched forward. What compels a man with so much money that he could actually do good if he wanted to but instead he dresses up and plays a vigilante. In closing, no Batman is not allowed to be happy but that is the characters choice.
Also I realize I went on a rant but given the title of the video would you expect anything less in response.
...so he IS allowed to be happy, but chooses not to be, is what you're saying.
10 things everyone gets wrong about Spider-Man please
His name is actually Man-Spider or Mr Spiderman
I don't get the hype behind Batman Beyond Return of the Joker it's good but Mask of The Phantasm is better
Another good one is Under the Red Hood, there’s also the Son of Batman. I don’t know if Batman VS Robin is any good as I haven’t seen it yet. Batman Subzero was also pretty good, even though it was originally intended to be an animated tie in to the live action movie Batman and Robin. It only turned out to be its own thing due to delays.
Captain Jakemerica
I think mask of the phantoms was boring and return of the Joker was great it’s all opinions and batman under the red hood is the best batman movie ever in my opinion
*YU-IN FROM WHATCH-CULTCHA*
If Dan Didio has his way, no DC character will ever be happy.
I like how the what culture guys like to pretend the Burton films didn't have Batman killing a lot and don't get me started on the many many times Bale killed.
The thing about Mask Of The Phantasm in this video is objective. You just couldn't find ten misconceptions.
Number one thing that all RUclipsrs like WhatCulture Comics get wrong... Making inaccurate lists and claiming it's a list of things that people (get wrong, didn't know, etc)...
If I could charge RUclipsrs a nickel for every flawed video they put up, I'd be rich.
*cough* shark repellent *cough*
You forgot Bob Kane had Batman use a gun a few times before he was told to stop by the publisher.
Isn’t that Bill Finger’s idea ? because he created everything about batman ? and bob kane just takes all the credits for god knows why
Mask Of The Phantasm is absolutely amazing! By far my favorite Batman movie. Followed closely by Under The Red Hood.
The dark knight is the best Batman movie ever made
The thing about the yellow symbol makes no sense is true same as the gray and the blue in batman costume when you think about a bat you usually think about black which means the only batman costume that makes sense is a full black costume BUT I still love the other costumes because they are iconic they don’t need to make sense so they can be good
My dad loves Batman 1966s!
Batman needs allies because deep down he feels isolated and disconnected from society
I swear the Adam West batman was always a parody.
No that's actually how the character was ment to be. Not this hyper realisim that was adopted from Frank Miller and the Dark knight movies.
I thought it was just bad.
did you know it was based on the sliver age batman....you know..the tone downed one
alex bez
It is in my opinion I tried to take it as a funny light hearted batman series but I couldn’t it’s too cheesy
This video is called 10 Things People Get Wrong About Batman. #4 is subjective, which doesn’t go with the title of the video.The Dark Knight is the best Batman movie is an opinion, having that in your list makes you appear as a person who doesn’t allow those people who praise the Dark Knight as the best to have an opinion
batman's "one rule" was never 'no killing' or 'no guns'. originally it was "no killing WITH guns specifically"...
You mean he originally hates guns but fine with killing in a another way ?