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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
  • Ben Kawaller went to Chicago to cover the convention of the Democratic Socialists of America. Ben hoped to spar with smart, good-natured socialists on the questions of freedom, democracy, and capitalism. But that’s not how things went.
    Instead, a video about what happened when Ben tried to ask about life under utopia and the capitalists who took him in when the socialists kicked him out.

Комментарии • 217

  • @hkoizumi3134
    @hkoizumi3134 10 месяцев назад +192

    It's funny how you can be a socialist in capitalistic society but you can't be a capitalist in a socialist society.

    • @DoP22
      @DoP22 8 месяцев назад +5

      Very good comment

    • @mildsauce5019
      @mildsauce5019 7 месяцев назад

      @hkoizumi3134 how exactly did Hitler's economic miracle happen then?
      Why was he on the cover of TIME?

    • @joedredd1168
      @joedredd1168 6 месяцев назад +2

      Very good quote mate.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад +1

      China tho

    • @nycblueface
      @nycblueface 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@Nekochukinchnah my friend, China is authoritarian capitalism in nature. They frame it communism/socialism with Chinese characteristics, which is a wordplay to mean they are neither communists nor socialists.

  • @flouserschird
    @flouserschird 4 месяца назад +15

    The complete irony of black entrepreneur women convention happening next-door is astounding.

  • @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
    @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 4 месяца назад +12

    "We don't believe in calling the police, but thankfully we've paid money to people who do."

  • @NerveApe1081
    @NerveApe1081 8 месяцев назад +39

    When you see disagreement as an act of aggression 🤦

  • @SendLead
    @SendLead 8 месяцев назад +40

    Love how the camera focused on the Starbucks cup on the table!!

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      Starbucks are unionizing around the country. We care about the workers not the company. Socialism isn't pretending money doesn't exist.

  • @malachigrindle7063
    @malachigrindle7063 7 месяцев назад +35

    "Basically all the ism's". That sums up their ideology.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      Explain

    • @geemanbmw
      @geemanbmw 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@Nekochukinch🪞🤡

  • @Kaiju_Lord
    @Kaiju_Lord 8 месяцев назад +25

    These are the exact type of people I expect to be socialists...

  • @Catspiracy931
    @Catspiracy931 11 месяцев назад +100

    “…like a Star Trek utopia” 🥴🤣🤣🤣

    • @jakovasaur
      @jakovasaur 10 месяцев назад +9

      What are you laughing about, those programs were documentaries weren't they?

    • @citizensnid3490
      @citizensnid3490 9 месяцев назад +1

      Lololololol

    • @justsomeofmyfavs
      @justsomeofmyfavs 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@jakovasaur Mathesar, is that you? :)

    • @jakovasaur
      @jakovasaur 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@justsomeofmyfavs Those poor people!

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@liamloxley1222 the point of course being that they can do as they please because there is no need to be concerned about where your next meal will come from, where you will sleep, will you get fired and the prior 2 worries become more of a reality. People mistake personal ownership or currency for "capitalism" but capitalism is simply just the ownership of other people's labor in a market economy.

  • @HelloFellowYoutubers
    @HelloFellowYoutubers 8 месяцев назад +25

    The difference between American Democratic Socialists and European Social Democrats is like night and day.

    • @OccamsToyota2
      @OccamsToyota2 7 месяцев назад

      How so?

    • @HelloFellowYoutubers
      @HelloFellowYoutubers 7 месяцев назад +11

      @@OccamsToyota2 for example, the German Social Democrats, by far the most important social democratic party, reject socialism and have vocally supported Israel over the past few months.

    • @user-xe5zv3sl7m
      @user-xe5zv3sl7m 7 месяцев назад

      While American democratic socialists are the woke, change your kids gender nazis.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      Very true and the reason you support European social democrats is hilarious. Never forget the German social democrats also backed another very unpopular conflict in the early 1900s and then stood out of the way when another type of "Social Democratic" party rose to power in the 30s... Democratic socialism isn't perfect but I'd take this over nazi sympathizers

    • @NightsideOfParadise
      @NightsideOfParadise 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@HelloFellowRUclipsrs how does opinion on Israel matter

  • @MrDatkidceddy
    @MrDatkidceddy 9 месяцев назад +45

    You legit proved to them why we need the police in society!! Lol

  • @billyb4790
    @billyb4790 10 месяцев назад +25

    someone said "ma'am" without verifying pronouns first.

  • @chefbrittan84
    @chefbrittan84 8 месяцев назад +20

    Did they pay the hotel to hold their convention? Did they rent a room? I imagine if they did the hotel staff had a good laugh.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      No shit they did what's your point? You know a root tenant of socialism is that a working person doesn't get PAID what they are worth. It's not like socialists think money isn't real.

  • @francesburger129
    @francesburger129 Год назад +40

    I would like this 80 times if I could.

  • @JulianDale94
    @JulianDale94 3 месяца назад +3

    I thought the whole point of a utopia is that it can’t actually exist. It’s literally Greek for "no place" and yet socialists can’t stop fixating on it

  • @MrWatson2001
    @MrWatson2001 9 месяцев назад +27

    Commenting on getting thrown out of the hotel for asking questions using his free speech. “Well that’s very authoritarian”
    “Well that’s just how it is”
    Yup that’s authoritarian ….. communism 101 when somone questions you silence them by force.

    • @StartsWithACee
      @StartsWithACee 8 месяцев назад +1

      So mr. libertarian over here doesn't like it when his precious private hotels enforce their own policies?

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      It's funny because that was the hotel and arguing that the hotel is doing communism is what a 10 year old would say

  • @TrackerNeil
    @TrackerNeil 4 месяца назад +3

    That guy must not watch much "Star Trek", because if he did he'd know the Federation is regularly at war with its neighbors. In the span of twenty years, the Federation fought the Cardassians, the Klingons, the Borg, the Cardassians again, and the Dominion. That's quite a utopia.

    • @MythicSuns
      @MythicSuns Месяц назад

      Eh...it is and isn't. It boils down to all of the world's problems being moved outside of Earth meaning that 99% of the time Earth is a thriving Utopia but it's not immune to outside factions fouling things up (like the Dominion in Deep Space Nine).

    • @TrackerNeil
      @TrackerNeil Месяц назад

      @@MythicSuns But are these wars always the fault of outside factions? I'd argue that if the Federation had fought the Cardassians the right way the first time, they wouldn't have fought them a second. As to the Klingons, the Federation wound up at war with them because Ben Sisko elected to side with the folks Chancellor Gowron was fighting. These sound like unforced policy errors on the part of the Federation.

  • @se7roverify
    @se7roverify 11 месяцев назад +26

    I watched this 3 times. More please

  • @jak2266
    @jak2266 4 месяца назад +3

    "Hand me your credentials", "Papers, please". Then they removed him for challenging the ideas of this places... the irony.

  • @johnedwinoliver6842
    @johnedwinoliver6842 3 месяца назад +4

    Amazing Contrast !!!

  • @Nazareeni
    @Nazareeni 5 месяцев назад +3

    "Basically all the 'isms'."
    Including socialism, obviously.

  • @lrmry
    @lrmry Месяц назад +2

    Good for those black female entrepreneurs! That’s what social progress looks like!

  • @ambassador8524
    @ambassador8524 7 месяцев назад +9

    I’m with that guy on the Star Trek utopia. But we have not invented a replicator yet. Which makes all the food in Star Trek.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      We'll probably need socialism first. Do you know what a soda stream is? I feel like if someone invents the replicator and we still have capitalism it's gonna be like that.

  • @mineolahome5243
    @mineolahome5243 2 месяца назад +1

    Democratic Socialist of America is comedy GOLD!!

  • @Heikin-Ashi-Larry
    @Heikin-Ashi-Larry 8 месяцев назад +6

    I’ll bet you won’t here any of those back women in the end crying about oppression…

  • @TheEndsJustifyTheMemes
    @TheEndsJustifyTheMemes 8 месяцев назад +7

    0:49 even communism?

  • @victorcates9330
    @victorcates9330 9 месяцев назад +16

    Amusing video and those women seemed pleasant. I think it's an implication of the human reward system. Working for a personal reward is motivating. If your increase in productivity is diffused, then you don't have a motivation to do better (if you can't differentiate between a poor worker and an excellent one). The solution that socialist tends to use is indoctrinating people in the hope that you can engineer a citizenry that work for altruistic purposes. But to achieve that, you have to get super authoritarian from the get-go. And you can kinda approximate socialism in a capitalist society. Socialism doesn't seem opt out.

    • @user-xe5zv3sl7m
      @user-xe5zv3sl7m 7 месяцев назад +1

      The segregation part is pretty counterproductive. All other women's expos are just called women's expos.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      This is incorrect but I respect the attempt at a well thought out response. Socialists do not attempt to get people into the project through altruistic purposes, it's very specifically not for altruistic purposes. This is a very skin deep way of looking at this. In fact we have a term capped material condition or material analysis to describe the way in which we relate our lives to the materials or capital we have that ends up being a much more effective way of letting people relate their own power to the power their bosses or rulers have over them. I think you are close when you mention the human reward system. Under capitalism workers do not own their own labor, just who they sell their time to. The only insensitive is hourly wage and any benefits of employment which itself could be a great thing or bad thing(google company towns or company script). Such a reward system only really exists under systems where someone needs to be rewarded in order to keep the system going. If we had no rulers, no power over one another, what would be the reward or push to keep going? To not die. Under socialism or similar projects the insensitive is to keep going, to work for the benefit of everyone. The idea of individual reward is inherently selfish, something humans are not born to be. I hear rebuttals to this that "no humans are inherently selfish.." so wrong! Parents sacrifice for their children, people help others for no reason other than kindness. Only in the context of an opposing view do people pretend this is truth

    • @FreyjaFoxx.x
      @FreyjaFoxx.x Месяц назад +1

      ​@Nekochukinch "under socialism the incentive is to keep going, to work for the benefit of everyone"
      Thisnis where yall lose people. You have to be youngbto thinknthis is a motivating factor for many people. Most people are very selfish. We care about us and ours.
      What op talks aboit is called alienation. We feel alienated from our worklife because we see little to no reward for it. The solution under any socialist system is the workers own the means of production collectively and have more of a say in how things are ran.

  • @sgshumblecrumb6046
    @sgshumblecrumb6046 6 месяцев назад +4

    I think corporate greed is more so "the issue" than Capitalism by its web definition.

  • @nicholasrova3698
    @nicholasrova3698 18 дней назад +1

    I'm sure all of these super chads will totally survive a collectivist system that will definitely work this time.

  • @iainclark5964
    @iainclark5964 9 месяцев назад +12

    Any person whose politics is based on a sci fi TV series needs serious help!!!

    • @FreyjaFoxx.x
      @FreyjaFoxx.x Месяц назад

      The idea is sound. Its called a post scarcity society. Material goods are so cheap they might as well be free. In star trek thisnwas largely from having near limitless energy.

  • @redcolonybigfoot
    @redcolonybigfoot 6 месяцев назад +4

    The movie Idiocracy comes to mind.

  • @davidbee7060
    @davidbee7060 10 месяцев назад +12

    Now I see where the gamestop employees come from.

  • @carolineweaver7923
    @carolineweaver7923 8 месяцев назад +7

    Capitalism is basically a “utopian” trade economy, in which money is the currency of trade.

  • @Itriedtobe-wq9lj
    @Itriedtobe-wq9lj 11 дней назад

    Strange it might seem but Lee Harvey Oswald was surprisingly articulate when he had a microphone put to him.

  • @user-gd3ln4dj1c
    @user-gd3ln4dj1c 4 месяца назад +2

    What a sad bunch… They probably need some mental health care.

  • @JM.5387
    @JM.5387 6 месяцев назад +6

    DSA were also holding pro-Hamas rallies in NYC on Oct 8. Morally bereft.

    • @lrmry
      @lrmry Месяц назад

      For real

  • @ColonelBragg
    @ColonelBragg День назад

    These people all looked exactly how I would expect

  • @rmmr1168
    @rmmr1168 Месяц назад

    Commerce and capitalism are two different things. It is completely reasonable to strive for sensible tax policies.

  • @kevino4372
    @kevino4372 5 месяцев назад +2

    What was he kicked out for

  • @robsan5777
    @robsan5777 4 месяца назад +2

    SOCIALISM=AUTHORITARIANISM always, bud... FYI.

  • @ophs1980
    @ophs1980 10 месяцев назад +12

    Does being anti-capitalist mean you can't buy soap?

    • @gnosis8142
      @gnosis8142 9 месяцев назад +3

      Both sides don't have a clue what they are talking about.

    • @ogkendrick6392
      @ogkendrick6392 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@gnosis8142this is sooo true

    • @StartsWithACee
      @StartsWithACee 8 месяцев назад +2

      The soap factory would be brought into democratic public ownership and will be produced for use/need instead of profit and exchange on the market.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@gnosis8142hard to sound correct when you're answering questions posed by a 4 year old

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@StartsWithACeethis is a good reply hon but he's just calling them sweaty. If I were him I wouldn't talk, most people in this vid have a much nicer haircut than him. The jockstrap calling the work shirt sweaty

  • @Shroomie.shawtie
    @Shroomie.shawtie 3 месяца назад

    I fear that the creator “The Free Press” does not really know WHAT socialism is. Nor does he appear to be certain of what capitalism is and how it is affecting him and the ladies he is interviewing. A great interview question would have been…Do you know WHAT capitalism is? And, do you know how it affects politics?

  • @vilongo
    @vilongo Месяц назад +1

    I’m amazed at how it’s easy to LARP being some kind of important congressional group of people who see capitalism as the enemy, yet, go to Starbucks right afterwards…… it’s ENRAGING.

  • @se7roverify
    @se7roverify 11 месяцев назад +8

    I love this.

  • @SPACEMONKEY288
    @SPACEMONKEY288 3 месяца назад +3

    He was definitely trying to find the worst possible candidates to poke fun at to create a negative narrative.

  • @leoniousmumblescraper1311
    @leoniousmumblescraper1311 3 месяца назад +1

    I’ll go along with the “Star Trek utopia” just for the hot Vulcan women and Seven of Nine.

  • @tubtubsablubblubs3996
    @tubtubsablubblubs3996 6 месяцев назад +1

    Yeah, this is why I judge books by their cover 😕

  • @discretebear4115
    @discretebear4115 8 месяцев назад +2

    0:53 - so much for their disdain for capitalism...

  • @dirkbogarde7796
    @dirkbogarde7796 21 день назад

    Getting kicked out reminds me of East Germany 🇩🇪.

  • @bankruptsee
    @bankruptsee Месяц назад

    When people of Reddit meet in person..

  • @npcimknot958
    @npcimknot958 8 месяцев назад +1

    What people are talking about is free commerce.

  • @PC_Powerlifting
    @PC_Powerlifting 8 месяцев назад +3

    These are the reddit mods in public.

  • @KVSWF
    @KVSWF 2 месяца назад

    What you attended was a ‘Reddit mod’s gathering.’

  • @chrisoposnow
    @chrisoposnow 2 месяца назад

    The man wearing Batman merch is anti-capitalist.

  • @mathewjoseph2237
    @mathewjoseph2237 8 месяцев назад +4

    “Stat Trek,” is a television show. Also, that is violating freedom of the press.

  • @ringogringo814
    @ringogringo814 9 месяцев назад +2

    He's the best man the Communists have got.
    Even though he couldn't do one pushup.

  • @JGMAZ
    @JGMAZ 7 месяцев назад +1

    Where does this capitalism you speak of exist? Special tax cuts and direct subsidies for big business. Sounds like socialism to me.

    • @timmarshall7292
      @timmarshall7292 4 месяца назад

      You do understand that 50% pay little to no Federal Income Tax and many of those are receiving subsidies.

    • @JGMAZ
      @JGMAZ 4 месяца назад

      @@timmarshall7292 . What does that have to do with my point? I’m talking about everyone else essentially paying for private business to operate. That’s not capitalism. A private bank is not a citizen.

  • @robsan5777
    @robsan5777 4 месяца назад +2

    I D I O T S !

  • @jasonmarcum1221
    @jasonmarcum1221 Год назад +16

    result of public schools and liberal media

    • @StartsWithACee
      @StartsWithACee 8 месяцев назад

      Do you just want kids to be forced to pray in school?

    • @richmendelson8194
      @richmendelson8194 8 месяцев назад

      @@StartsWithACee How about learning to read and write, instead of learning which anal lubes are best or how to scissor their he/they lesbian life-partner?

    • @AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm
      @AbdirahmanIdris-ku9xm 8 месяцев назад

      Rockefeller education

  • @josephsego1095
    @josephsego1095 3 месяца назад

    It is immensely tragic that wokeology gets conflated with socialism, wokeology is actually capitalism in one of its darkest forms. But
    I've never heard a valid argument in favor of capitalism. Proponents of capitalism only ever try to implement gaslighting and/or logical fallacies. Really. Try to have a sane, civil, honest conversation with any proponent of capitalism, and they'll prove my point.
    But if you like all manner of products within the capitalst matrix, if you own a business, and have employees. and you still want a much more sane and harmonious economic system, You're Not A Fucking Hypocrite.
    Don't let them silence you with that weak argument .
    It would be just as ridiculous to argue that one is a hypocrite for drinking city tap water, when they had no other options , and therefore one shouldn't be able consider better sources of water.
    Narcissistic personality disorder is an epedemic.
    And when they project "well the problem is nobody wants to work. " Ask them what landlords even fucking do . Ask them what the CEO of Starbucks actually does . Etc.
    No shade at seasons of nondoership. But shade @ projection.
    "so much depression, anxiety, stress & suicidality is caused by capitalism. we really really need to talk about how not being able to meet our basic needs and how giving away 80% of our days to jobs that drain & exploit us leads to serious mental health issues for a lot of people" - Alexis Isabel

  • @Nauru_Man
    @Nauru_Man 6 дней назад

    Good video lol

  • @Samuelnicole483
    @Samuelnicole483 10 месяцев назад +5

    Ok so I have a trade agreement it’s a really good one so y’all might want to vote me for president. Here it is. So we have been giving Ukraine billions of dollars to stop Russia so we don’t have to fight Russia. But I say we just draft these people send them to Ukraine and have them fight the war. Save us some money, it will get these people out of our country, and Ukraine doesn’t have to send all their soldiers to fight. I think that’s a good trade off

  • @richmendelson8194
    @richmendelson8194 8 месяцев назад +1

    In this case I prefer the black women... *z-snap* mmmHmmmm!!

  • @lrmry
    @lrmry Месяц назад

    Unhinged behavior 😂

  • @kiwidubz
    @kiwidubz 10 месяцев назад +5

    she forgot 'autism'

  • @SingerSage
    @SingerSage 7 месяцев назад

    Guys, now the next step is to learn how to socialize!
    But holy hell, it’ll be hard when average americans are raised by individualism in an ancient-cult-like-tradition “new world, land of the free”.
    To be fair, they got a good fundamental idea though, while I understand it’s extremely hard to find what’s in line of right/wrong throughout history.
    For now, I’ll go along with Hegel and the Marx’s “question of when”; so call me ignorant or whatever, but I won’t force it till “when” is obvious… and no this is not obvious enough, you got so many things to do in this postmodern US republic and bureaucracy (respectively with “right and left-wing” institutions). I know, it won’t be easy and that’s what ironically gave anything value - especially in a “liberty” hellhole - since that thing will be hard to obtain, whether it’s money or just welfare. Hopefully, you - as the lucky minority - can gather enough knowledges, motivation, started working on yourself, your family and friends. If anything, remember that it’s not just you, you should contribute to the society overall. After all, Idealism is realer than Realism, the fate before the world and God is not so far off.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      You're almost there, keep reading. Cringy post but I have faith. Right/wrong or moralism is not the correct way at looking at this. Dsa convention has a lot of people that know each other or people that becomes friends here, socializing isn't any issue. Reply if you need recommendations

  • @Creasey_F
    @Creasey_F Месяц назад

    All the “isms”? Even transgenderism?

  • @Robation26
    @Robation26 6 месяцев назад +1

    Star Trek Utopia 😂

    • @Nazareeni
      @Nazareeni 5 месяцев назад

      It's funny because the original Star Trek was pretty much outlined to reflect the Cold War. The story is, therefore, not set in a utopia at all.

  • @devos3212
    @devos3212 7 дней назад

    Gotta love disingenuous “journalists”

  • @ClayShentrup
    @ClayShentrup 2 месяца назад

    so funny.

  • @dgonz1975
    @dgonz1975 9 месяцев назад +3

    If they got what they wanted. There would be equlity! We'd all be equally miserable!!!!

    • @StartsWithACee
      @StartsWithACee 8 месяцев назад +2

      Why do you bots keep spamming the same phrases over and over again?

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      Drooling man with thought bubble.jpg

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад

      Just remember, you have socialist to thank for the 2 day weekend, versus no weekend at all and child labor..

  • @jkbjkb8899
    @jkbjkb8899 7 месяцев назад

    Love it! That's why those black women will be voting for Joe Biden and not any nutty 3rd party candidate! That is why the Democrats first primary is in South Carolina

    • @timmarshall7292
      @timmarshall7292 4 месяца назад

      Held in SC to force out competition. Have Biden sign the Spoiler Pledge.

  • @rmmr1168
    @rmmr1168 Месяц назад

    The Free Press is so disappointing when they post things like this with no counter narrative in regard to the exploitive practices companies like Nike, Amazon, factory farms, slaughter houses that all use child labor. The Institute for Policy Studies analyzed 100 S&P 500 corporations and found that CEO pay in this sample averaged $15.3 million, while median worker pay averaged $31,672. You really have no excuse to pander and create clickbait. There is enough of that.

  • @EritreanChic
    @EritreanChic 6 месяцев назад

    3:20 😂

  • @Lmaxk007
    @Lmaxk007 Месяц назад

    😂

  • @TINJ_
    @TINJ_ Год назад +16

    So you went in and cut up a bunch of interviews into contextless quotes, to defend capitalism. And you couldn't even look up 'socialism' to learn that a free market can exist within socialist economies. If you were in high school and turned this in as a project, you'd get an F for misrepresenting your subjects and not bothering to do any research.

    • @eduardorosales5042
      @eduardorosales5042 11 месяцев назад +19

      Chill bro

    • @eduardorosales5042
      @eduardorosales5042 11 месяцев назад

      the Scandinavian countries are not socialist doofus

    • @tercerocastero
      @tercerocastero 11 месяцев назад +6

      Tell that to the people at the convention.
      How many of them know that free market can exist within capitalism, or communism like China?
      That almost every single economy is a mixed economy of some kind?
      Or know the difference between social programs and socialism?
      I'm sure that he cut the most humorous and ignorant clips ... but most of those seem pretty much in context because honestly, anyone supporting socialism now because they think a Star Trek magic replicator based utopia is possible I don't think needs much more context lo.
      I hope this is just a small small minority of people ... but I've seen enough clips to think this is a more common view than it should be.
      I very much strongly believe in free market economies.
      Sounds like you support socialism to some extent, but also free market?
      If you just support mixed economy, leaning more socialist then I understand how that works, we have plenty of real world examples.
      If not, would love some help finding good links to vids/articles that explain how people that want full socialism actually envision that working though.
      Not trolling, I listen to as many people on the left as I can event though I'm pretty much center-right.
      Most people I listen to never talk in details though, just "capitalism bad, socialism good."
      Honestly most of the things people complain about our economy I agree with and see as very broken.
      The actual problems and possible solutions is where have very different opinions though lol
      Anyway any links you or anyone here can recommend that you think are good is sincerely appreciated.

    • @robZzdaboss
      @robZzdaboss 11 месяцев назад +4

      Socialism is whatever the majority of socialists say it is. Because what you're saying is not what would be happening if they were actually in charge

    • @TINJ_
      @TINJ_ 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@tercerocastero I suspect that some of the people in this video have well-thought out politics and some of them don't. My complaint is not that these people must be smart, it's that whatever their views are, they were not given a fair hearing.
      I can't speak for them, but as for myself, yes, I do know that there is a difference between social programs and socialism, etc. I don't think it's really that rare to know those things.
      The Star Trek quote is a good example of something which might be dumb or might be fine, depending on how the rest of the conversation went. If he followed up by saying that he didn't mean an economy that runs on magic but rather an economy which allows all people to have the necessities of life, I think that would be fair. And there's no reason to believe it's not possible to ensure that people have food, shelter, healthcare, etc. These things don't even require abandoning capitalism, funnily enough. You could have a social democracy similar to what Bernie Sanders was proposing. Capitalism with a functioning government that worked for the people.
      My own political views do not fall neatly into a label like socialism or communism, which is actually somewhat frustrating. But I'll try to describe the problems and a possible solution.
      It seems obvious to me that most of politics is illusory, in the United States, at least. Both parties represent the rich, and frequently, simply are the rich. The Bush is an oil family. Cheney owned part of Blackwater/Xe/whatever it's been renamed to this week. Romney was a venture capitalist, part of those companies that made money by going in and firing as many workers as possible. It's not just Republicans, of course. The Pelosis are doing insider trading, for sure. Hunter Biden probably is selling access to his dad/the President. Most family members of Presidents and Senators are likely running the same grift. It's baffling that Americans have this love for the 'business man', when most of these guys don't have any special skills or knowledge. Arguably, some of them, like Trump, are not even business men, they have only succeeded in branding themselves as such. The media is also owned by the rich, which is why when Bernie Sanders was running on creating a functioning government, all these 'journalists' started attacking him. The Washington Post ran 16 different attack articles on him in a single day.
      The two institutions of our society which should be balancing out the influence of the ruling class are failing to do so. The government should be taxing the ruling class so that the working class can get by. The media should be pointing this out. Both the government and the media have been invaded and controlled by the ruling class to the point we no longer can depend on them to function. This little youtube video we are leaving comments on is a tiny drop of water in an ocean of propaganda against any view that doesn't suit the ruling class. The media is simply not allowed to take any view that might benefit the working class seriously. It's not open for discussion.
      As to the solution, it's democracy. Democracy is flawed but it's also the best thing humanity has come up with. We need to start using democracy with economics in a similar way to politics. Vote in the workplace, either directly on decisions or for representatives. There should be voting on salaries and wages. I've worked in places where the people above me knew what they were doing and I would gladly vote that they be paid more. I've also worked in places where the boss came in, looked around, and then went golfing. I'd gladly vote to replace that guy, and to not have him be paid three hundred times more than the people who actually did the work.
      I don't want to write a whole book here, but to name a few positive effects of economic democracy: the workers wouldn't vote to send their jobs to other countries. The workers wouldn't vote to dump waste in their own communities. There would be more long term thinking and strategizing. A lot of the dysfunction in the government would be solved as a secondary effect. The main reason the government is so useless is because of its capture by the exact same people who rule over us in the workplace. Jeff Bezos 'makes' something like a thousand dollars a second while he is asleep in bed. That same wealth is what allows him to buy and control The Washington Post. That wealth is something the workers would never have voted for. Bezos would never have this level of influence without a ridiculous economic system which is set up to benefit those who do not work, over those who do.
      Somehow there is a meme that capitalism and democracy go hand in hand. This is false. One look at how our society is functioning disproves this whole idea. What goes together is democracy and more democracy, in government and in the economy. That is my two cents.
      How we get to this point, I can't say for sure. I don't think it would take a revolution. It could be done by changing laws and/or by prolonged worker strikes. Probably there would be social unrest and lots of unhappy people, for a while. I don't think there will be guillotines. I do think it's possible, though. All it would take is enough people who decide that it's worth having control over their lives. We got rid of kings in government, and the next step is getting rid of kings in the economy.
      Going from this to 'full communism' is another matter that I don't think is worth considering until we at least reach this point...

  • @TheRealStalin2036
    @TheRealStalin2036 6 месяцев назад

    Capitalism is a socioeconomic system, where the most powerful property owners control society and its institutions, it doesn’t just mean buying stuff or basic commerce. China for example is a socialist country and they have loads of private enterprise.

  • @dgonz1975
    @dgonz1975 9 месяцев назад

    Looooser

  • @user-gc9gl6rb6p
    @user-gc9gl6rb6p 6 месяцев назад +2

    This is by far the biggest collection of losers in one room I have ever seen.

  • @bassad6289
    @bassad6289 10 месяцев назад +6

    No idea how capitalism, socialsim, or communism works. They just want to be heard and feel validated.
    Pathetic.

    • @Nekochukinch
      @Nekochukinch 6 месяцев назад +1

      That's why you posted a comment without explaining any of those terms right? P r o j e c t I o n