The first 2 altar servers and the man following spoke beautifully from the heart, showing their deep love and respect for Father Giovanni 恩神父. Their stories vividly described 恩神父's incredible contributions to the Hong Kong archdiocese and to the families he had met. Unfortunately, this presiding priest, 羅神父 was not only condescending in how he called the mourning young men "𡃁仔", his language vulgar; his jokes inappropriate (he even asked for "diapers" to be given to the teary young men...) at this solemn occasion of bidding farewell to a well-loved priest, and his stories, sadly, were not so much about 恩神父, but more about himself. To the Hong Kong parishioners, keep remembering 恩神父, and continue his teachings to follow Christ. Do what 恩神父 did, love as he had loved you, talk how he talked to others, be sincere as he was sincere, so you, too, would lead a Christ-centred life. That would be the best gift you give to 恩神父! May God bless you all. May God bless you with more good priests like 恩神父 in this difficult time for Hong Kong.
It's wonderful that we fellow Catholics can rationally discuss matters about the Church. It’s a good sign that parishioners support, and defend their priests We are indeed blessed with many good priests, and they need our support. Hong Kong has had (even after he went to his eternal home) one of the most Christ-like priests, 恩保德神父 Father Giovanni, to bring us closer to Jesus, so generations of Hong Kongers experience love - fatherly love and Christ’s love - something we don't always see in many Hong Kong families. Yet, supporting the priest is different from Clericalism 教權主義. Let me quote: “It is not just clerics who are clerical. The laity often foster clericalism by always deferring to "Father" and putting "Father" on a pedestal.” www.ncronline.org/opinion/priestly-diary/tackle-clericalism-first-when-attempting-priesthood-reform There is a difference between supporting priests and promoting clericalism, and we parishioners need to be mindful. And don't forget: we can love the person and disagree with him at the same time. In actual fact: making such comment about a priest - my first ever - and given the occasion (to remember 恩保德神父), was not easy. Don't forget, oftentimes, those who dare to stick their necks out or care to take the time to write a public message are, in fact, the ones who truly care. It is a presumption, even a stereotype, that one cannot be a Hong Konger because she can write in English. I'm forever grateful for my education from teachers of English-speaking countries, but such opportunities, too, were only possible because of the free and international metropolitan Hong Kong we once had -- The nuns taught us well, and Hong Kong was so cosmopolitan; our horizons were so broad. I certainly miss that Hong Kong that I grew up in, a Hong Kong that no longer exist, if I may add. As to the language used by 羅神父, you may not want to confuse the casual Hong Kong cultures, and her use of language, with the inappropriate use of language in a given occasion, which is the focal point of our discussion here. May I refer to you the 2 exemplary priests of Hong Kong to make my point clearer -- 恩保德神父 and 閻德龍神父? Did 恩保德神父 use such language ever, and would he? Do you remember how 恩神父 repeatedly taught us to use the beautiful language to evangelize? Remember his most recent talks on how beautiful the word 再見 is because, in English, "goodbye" is just that, goodbye. But 恩神父 emphasized that (in Chinese), 再見 has a double meaning: goodbye and see you again. He understood the importance of proper use of language as Catholics, and what about the workshop for lectors on how to properly pronounce the biblical names and ennunciate the words. Catholic education teaches the Truth, the Good, and the Beauty (真善美) There is no place for vulgarity, not here, not in a memorial service, not anywhere. And remember we are CATHOLIC FIRST, everything else is second. We are all on our journey - life journey or faith journey-- and WHO doesn't have things to improve on, priests or lay people or the Church? How much have we learned from Father Giovanni? If I may bring up another wonderful Hong Kong priest: 閻德龍神父, who also uses Hong Kong style 入世, 地道, 親民 of language and jokes to stay close to his congregation at ground level, so that you don't need to be a university grad to understand Jesus' teachings. So let me ask you: Did he ever talk in that "Hong Kong style" as 羅神父? Can you see the difference? Feedback does not have to be positive or agreeing, as long as it is constructive. When I said this 羅神父 talked more about himself, I didn't mean quantity or time, I meant his approach, his attitude, his intent. It is how he comes across. What comes across is that he is thinking more of himself and not about paying tribute to a much-loved priest. Perhaps it would have been clearer had I used Chinese. But I write faster in English. Some Hong Kongers WERE very bilingual, and I am one. Thank you for this opportunity, but I'm afraid I'll end here as there are needs I must attend to. I will always remember the many lessons that 恩保德神父 taught me, and one of them is to be DETAIL-ORIENTED. He'd say: 做野唔好求求其其. God bless Hong Kong, our priests, and our Church. Take care!
恩神父，實在很想念你，願你在天國享福，感謝你一生的奉獻
感恩天主，祝福恩保德神父回天堂家鄉舆主同在，和家人聖人相聚，總有一天大家相見，感謝恩神父祝福保佑大家平安喜樂。✝️💒😇🏘😍🫶🙏🛐
感謝主你將恩神父賜給香港人，現在他回到天國去了。亞孟!🙏
是聖神的引領下，得知恩神父離世，在網上向他送行， 主懷安息😢，永遠懷念。
恩神父，多謝您
我哋將來天上見😊
感謝恩神父，給我們信友培育更 愛主 愛人 精神❤！
感謝恩神父，盼望能與您天國再遇見。😄😄😄😄😄
恩師在心靈上以他隻言片語常呈現在腦海,實在與我們相伴,永不分離常在心間,主與我們同在永恆地啊
恩神父，多謝您每星期為我們分享聖言到最後，感謝您，祝您在天國永遠開心🙏🙏🙏
恩神父，天鄉永享福樂🙏🏻😋
恩神父，永安主懷❤
恩神父天家再見
🙏🏻🙏🏻
RIP. Thank you very much
🌹🌹🌹
恩神父主內安息！
祝福這一天的曲調有些似俄羅斯國歌。
羅神父像帶了捲髮的法官。
The first 2 altar servers and the man following spoke beautifully from the heart, showing their deep love and respect for Father Giovanni 恩神父. Their stories vividly described 恩神父's incredible contributions to the Hong Kong archdiocese and to the families he had met.
Unfortunately, this presiding priest, 羅神父 was not only condescending in how he called the mourning young men "𡃁仔", his language vulgar; his jokes inappropriate (he even asked for "diapers" to be given to the teary young men...) at this solemn occasion of bidding farewell to a well-loved priest, and his stories, sadly, were not so much about 恩神父, but more about himself.
To the Hong Kong parishioners, keep remembering 恩神父, and continue his teachings to follow Christ. Do what 恩神父 did, love as he had loved you, talk how he talked to others, be sincere as he was sincere, so you, too, would lead a Christ-centred life. That would be the best gift you give to 恩神父!
May God bless you all. May God bless you with more good priests like 恩神父 in this difficult time for Hong Kong.
主持的羅神父是一位不可多得的神父，他的語言你聽來粗 俗，但這正是我們香港人的廣東話語言，我們香港人共通而親切的語言,羅神父稱傅祭男孩做仔只是一種親切的稱呼,你聽不慣就知你不是香港人吧！但請不要隨意判断羅神父好嗎
@@mayng9101同意，而且湯樞機和夏主教在場，兩位也經常在羅神父的聖堂開彌撒，難道他們不知羅神父的一套？司鐸的追思彌撒更加是由陳副主教把關的，如果他認為羅神父不合適就不會使用他吧？
羅神父的講話，在外人看來好像是不懂大體，好像動不動就呼喝執事修女或者輔祭，但留心一點，其實處處都流露出牧者的愛和關懷，我敢講他是教區內其中一位最貼地和與不同年齡層有緊密接觸的一位。發文者應該是從未有留意他過往的講道吧？YT上羅神父堂區每一日的彌撒都有放上網的，建議那位英文發文者看看一下，了解一下羅神父吧。
另外，羅神父「正經」的內容亦在 desciption 中全文刊出，是否如發文者所講，講自己多過講恩神父，自有定論，片段中亦有讀出，只是在此以外更加加插了與恩神父共處多年的平信徒分享，講真平日彌撒有幾可會讓平信徒在講道時間上台分享？
感謝您 恩神父 ❤ 握緊着您的手 🤝 跟您在天國再相見 😊
It's wonderful that we fellow Catholics can rationally discuss matters about the Church. It’s a good sign that parishioners support, and defend their priests We are indeed blessed with many good priests, and they need our support.
Hong Kong has had (even after he went to his eternal home) one of the most Christ-like priests, 恩保德神父 Father Giovanni, to bring us closer to Jesus, so generations of Hong Kongers experience love - fatherly love and Christ’s love - something we don't always see in many Hong Kong families.
Yet, supporting the priest is different from Clericalism 教權主義.
Let me quote:
“It is not just clerics who are clerical. The laity often foster clericalism by always deferring to "Father" and putting "Father" on a pedestal.”
www.ncronline.org/opinion/priestly-diary/tackle-clericalism-first-when-attempting-priesthood-reform
There is a difference between supporting priests and promoting clericalism, and we parishioners need to be mindful.
And don't forget: we can love the person and disagree with him at the same time.
In actual fact: making such comment about a priest - my first ever - and given the occasion (to remember 恩保德神父), was not easy. Don't forget, oftentimes, those who dare to stick their necks out or care to take the time to write a public message are, in fact, the ones who truly care.
It is a presumption, even a stereotype, that one cannot be a Hong Konger because she can write in English. I'm forever grateful for my education from teachers of English-speaking countries, but such opportunities, too, were only possible because of the free and international metropolitan Hong Kong we once had -- The nuns taught us well, and Hong Kong was so cosmopolitan; our horizons were so broad. I certainly miss that Hong Kong that I grew up in, a Hong Kong that no longer exist, if I may add.
As to the language used by 羅神父, you may not want to confuse the casual Hong Kong cultures, and her use of language, with the inappropriate use of language in a given occasion, which is the focal point of our discussion here.
May I refer to you the 2 exemplary priests of Hong Kong to make my point clearer -- 恩保德神父 and 閻德龍神父?
Did 恩保德神父 use such language ever, and would he? Do you remember how 恩神父 repeatedly taught us to use the beautiful language to evangelize? Remember his most recent talks on how beautiful the word 再見 is because, in English, "goodbye" is just that, goodbye. But 恩神父 emphasized that (in Chinese), 再見 has a double meaning: goodbye and see you again. He understood the importance of proper use of language as Catholics, and what about the workshop for lectors on how to properly pronounce the biblical names and ennunciate the words. Catholic education teaches the Truth, the Good, and the Beauty (真善美) There is no place for vulgarity, not here, not in a memorial service, not anywhere.
And remember we are CATHOLIC FIRST, everything else is second.
We are all on our journey - life journey or faith journey-- and WHO doesn't have things to improve on, priests or lay people or the Church? How much have we learned from Father Giovanni?
If I may bring up another wonderful Hong Kong priest: 閻德龍神父, who also uses Hong Kong style 入世, 地道, 親民 of language and jokes to stay close to his congregation at ground level, so that you don't need to be a university grad to understand Jesus' teachings. So let me ask you: Did he ever talk in that "Hong Kong style" as 羅神父?
Can you see the difference? Feedback does not have to be positive or agreeing, as long as it is constructive.
When I said this 羅神父 talked more about himself, I didn't mean quantity or time, I meant his approach, his attitude, his intent. It is how he comes across. What comes across is that he is thinking more of himself and not about paying tribute to a much-loved priest. Perhaps it would have been clearer had I used Chinese. But I write faster in English. Some Hong Kongers WERE very bilingual, and I am one.
Thank you for this opportunity, but I'm afraid I'll end here as there are needs I must attend to.
I will always remember the many lessons that 恩保德神父 taught me, and one of them is to be DETAIL-ORIENTED. He'd say: 做野唔好求求其其.
God bless Hong Kong, our priests, and our Church. Take care!
天國的福音
恩保德神父福傳
🙏🙏🙏