Love the show it shows how darth plagues is still alive way he want Rey skywalker and Ben skywalker to have a baby it was him darth plagues way cuz he wants Rey skywalker baby darth plagues is lord Vader father he Luke skywalker grandfather he didn’t dead book lying to everyone he in new movies show is showing us way how darth plagues still alive he behind everything not palataine Luke skywalker grandfather behind everything he new Rey skywalker movie plagues behind everything show showing u how he survived darth plagues coming new Rey movie
What was the good old Star Wars we all loved because I've never even one time in my life agreed with another human being what was good or bad and I'm 52 years old. 5 years old when Han shot Greedo first. Case in point, How many Star Wars fans enjoyed that disgusting retcon of one of our favorite characters by the creator himself. Star Wars has been fucked since 1983 in my opinion. Return of the Jedi was a movie for children. It did NOT end the trilogy in a satisfying way for many fans who were growing up in adulthood at the time only to weatch the final movie feel like I was at a Chuck E Cheese parlor. SMH at modern fans who think Disney ruined Star Wars. George Lucas destroyed his franchise way before you were even born.
in Ep 2 Torbin is introduced as a "Jedi Master" who has being doing the Varash Vow for the last 10 years. In episode 3 and explicitly in episode 7, 16 years before he killed himself, he is revelead to be a PADAWAN, probably a teenager, very petty, without any discipline and a lot of attachments. So we have to believe that in the 6 YEARS FOLLOWING THE EVENTS OF EP.7, he not just became a Knight but a freaking JEDI MASTER. How the the over the top immature kid showed in Ep 7 could become a Master in just 6 years???
@@iamlendathe same way Ki Adi Mundi could learn about strange dark side user activity and forget about it years before he was born. "Thanks for the oversight Lucasfilm story group👍😃"
On top of that apparently he was disturbed enough to still want to leave the server. Doesn't sound like the kind of mindset you could become a master with.
Hey Thor, you should do a poll after the final episode; "for those of you who did not watch (The Acolyte), will you watch it?" With answers; 1. "Already Watched it/what i wanted to watch" 2."Have decided not to watch it from reviews" 3."have no intention/will never watch it." 4."would watch it after seeing Reviews" 5."will watch it/was waiting to binge watch" That would be an interesting statistic to see polled with how many people are saying they are not watching in all your polls.
But without the mystery as they tell us and the characters who the killer is within the first episode and everything else is so telegraphed, even Stevie Wonder could have seen it coming.
Osha is the only person that saw Mae start the fire…for everyone else it happened offscreen, correct??? If so, then it turns out when these supposed Jedi were making up their unnecessary lie to tell the Council they luckily stumbled on a nugget of truth when they said “Mae started the fire…”
I noticed this, too. The writers are expecting way too much from the audience. Idk... I'm not an expert on writing g or anything, but it seems like Writing 101 to me.
@@dwaneanderson8039 before she woke up? Unlikely. They got their story straight while she was passed out on the ship and then shared it when she awoke.
@@DaNewWaveLee well, because someone reports a fire doesn’t mean they should be assumed guilty of starting it. Unless, of course, the Jedis were applying “whoever smelt it, dealt it” logic.
As a Lucas Star Wars fan looking at Disney Star Wars from the outside, The Acolyte has been an interesting piece of meta drama. I’m here for the train wreck and the reactions. My interest in actually watching Disney Star Wars has long since left. It’s more fascinating to observe it in a sociological context, about how fandoms react to incompetence hijacking their franchise.
It is more entertaining watching the reaction videos and the discourse than the actual show. Don’t have Disney+ and won’t be subscribing any time soon, nor am I buying any merchandise anymore, hope their new fans are making up for that.
@FlyingCircles , absolutely!!! I plan to watch it with my father, who has Disney+. I told him we need to rewatch Andor Season 1 first. He's 79, and it's one of the only shows he watched without focusing on his laptop.😁 That's unspoken praise from him!😀👍
Why were the Jedi eating around a campfire? There's no reason to have a campfire at all... They have a FREAKING starship! Why don't we see them using that resource while looking for something as important as the vergence in the force? Luke's X-wing could see life signs and power plants from orbit.
@@russ254 because the writing sucks. that's why. also we will tell the truth, Mae started the fire.. HOW DID YA'LL KNOW THAT? my god, now my brain is about to be mush by making sense of something so nonsensical.
The campfire was because the wookie doesn't like to cook inside ships that's why and the only reason they bring him in: to search for coins and to cook 👍
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries Oobedoob Benubi: I am Oobedoob Benubi. I have the silliest name in the galaxy. Loke Groundrunner: What's your middle-name? Oobedoob Benubi: Scooby-Dooby. Loke Groundrunner: Oobedoob Scooby-Dooby Benubi? Oobedoob Benubi: One and the same.
Also, to add about Torbin being homesick, there’s no reason for him to be homesick. And that's because, factoring in how hyperspace works in this show, the entire team could go home every night and commute to the planet every day as it would only take about half an hour.
True, I hate how small space is in Star Wars. There is no sense of distance or effort connecting to travel. Everything seems just be just a short commute away.
@@drtaverner maybe this was KK trying to give John Williams (style wise, I know he has sworn of working on SW now) the finger after she was shamed by Spielberg before Indy 5. 😂
Torbin's whole arc is being abused as a teen, acting out irrationally because of said abuse, bear the guilt of his actions, isolating himself and taking his own life. He's an abuse victim who ends up taking his own life. And some people are saying that this is justified from him. Good job.
Torbin got the worst deal smh.. Not only did he do nothing overtly wrong, he didn’t even kill in self defense. Dude literally couldn’t hurt a fly.. Then offs himself from guilt?? Wow
And that's what narcissistic "Female-Centric" storytelling results in, they're so focused on their Female characters, writing them as all Wise, Intelligent, Brave etc that they just neglect or sometime even purposefully write the Male characters in their stories to be either emasculated, incompetent or just straight out given a raw deal. And if you notice Indara never even checked on her Padwan, after he'd been literally mind-raped by Mother Aniesia, and then after his battle with the possessed Kelnaca; Indara never even tended to Torbin's wounds did she.
Honestly, that was just the cherry on top of the nonsens, but it didn't make sense. Why lie when you did nothing wrong. And they did nothing wrong. Maybe going in when Sol and Torbin did wasn't the best moment, but they did it for good reasons, because they thought CHILDREN were in danger. Sol killing also wasn't a big issue since he protected a child, it clearly seemed like she is attacking or at least doing something to the child. And Master Trinity killing all the witches also wasn't wrong since she protected her Jedi who got attacked by a mind controlled wookie who wanted to kill them. Even if she knew (which she didn't, the show at least never tells us) that would kill the witches, I think it would even be reasonable within the Jedi code to defend themselfs from an attack. Show wants to tell us Jedi bad. Show shows us they did nothing wrong. Why would they lie about it.
@@nikolaimyhre1187 Just watch the interviews she gives talking about her Acolyte show. She writes herself into her work she says this, and it's evident in the Acolyte with the twins whole backstory. She mentions "Counter Culture" and how that was also something she wanted to include and reference in her Acolyte story. Look at the Jedi and the Brendoc witches, what they practice, their beliefs and ways, where all that "leans". And how they say they've been hunted, oppressed and how the Jedi come in, concerned bout their youngsters. One could argue that is all a social message on our society in the past and it's complicated interactions and understandings of the "rainbow community" itself. Leslie Headland did say regarding her Acolyte, "I know myself as a queer woman and I know my community". She also said that when she pitched her overall story of the Acolyte to Kathleen Kennedy at Lucasfilm, Kennedy encouraged Leslie to get personal and write her own personal things into her story. Leslie is definitely reflecting modern, current days attitudes into her story here. And all it does is makes for some very weird story and character motivations when we really analyze and try to see these as "Starwars Characters". It's meant to be a *Space Opera*. Here's a example HAN SOLO. In the original trilogy Han is a "rogue" like figure, involved with the criminal underworld and needs to pay his debt to a crime lord. In ANH Luke is the young, naive but hopeful kid, who asks Han to help the Rebel Cause in their fight against the Empire, but Han is having none of it, he has his own problems and so he's looking out for himself. Yet by the end of the movie, Han makes the big decision, he chooses to do the right thing, he turns around, goes back and helps the kid. He actually shoots Vader's ship, preventing him from destroying Luke, enabling Luke to pull off that crack shot, when he let's go and trusts in the force. So Han chooses to be a better person, he becomes selfless. this is such awesome writing, and when Luke gets back to Yavin base, the 3 of them are ecstatic, Luke, Han & Leia, they hug eachother, they are true Friends who came together like a Family and looked out for eachother. Han Solo is a perfectly written character in this "space fantasy" because he starts out cynical because of the particular life he's had, but finds true "Friends" and Friendship in the most unlikely of people a "princess" and a plucky "farmboy" and he learns to care about others and finds real meaning in his life. So that eventually when he does have to face the music, and the crime lord captures him; Han's Friends come to save him. Now what kind of message does the Acolyte give us? I don't see no *Positive message* for kids especially in the Acolyte. All I see is a very Nihilistic viewpoint, very Gray. Our REAL WORLD is going that way becoming more and more gray and Nihilistic, but *Star Wars* is Not that. It's about GOOD vs EVIL and the good triumphing over the bad. People of ALL creeds and differences coming together to face the evil and defeat it.
Related to the comment of "was this a first draft?", I add that it seems like the writers didn't read each other's scripts. Especially since the beginning has things like "Jedi do not attack the unarmed" which was supposed to be a hypocritical moment when they didn't: Sol stabbed Aniseya when she became a spooky smoke monster and starting to disintegrate Mae, and the rest of the witches died because they possessed a wookiee and had him try to kill his friends. And Torbin, poor Torbin, went out with us thinking he had some dark secret with crushing guilt only to find out he was a victim in the whole thing! He probably was suffering from PTSD and took the poison to end his own suffering (not a good look for Mae). And where does Qimir fit into all of this, anyways? It seems like the witches' story and the Sith (Qimir)'s story don't mesh at all. We have about a 1/4 of the show for something that is only tangentially related to what is happening right now. Honestly it is just a mess, and really does feel like a first draft of individual scripts and then just slapped together. That is the reason most episodes don't flow into each other, character motivations seem to change from episode to episode, and the whole thing just feels disjointed. For $180 million, you would think Disney would bring their A game, but alas, that's not how Modern Hollywood do. It isn't about quality, it's about checking boxes.
Thor, did you read the Nerdist interview with Headland? It doesn't speak well of her writing room's ability to write mysteries... or anything else, with all the things she seemed to think were *obviously* shown onscreen
@@robynfuller3988 the only thing she's obvious about showing is she's talentless. Got where she is because she knows the secrets of her old boss and she could name names like the Epstein list.
It’s crazy she is literally contradicting herself. Peak brain rot. In most of what she is saying it literally makes no sense and she’s just putting random words in a sentence…. I will never understand how this bint was trusted with $180m . What’s is even more insulting is how she is constantly stealing George’s ideas and poorly executing them and seems she has an obsession with Qui Gon and she can’t stop yapping about him and making comparisons she clearly doesn’t understand.
So many writers these days don’t have someone outside of their room review their scripts or first cuts to see if they work. The echo chambers are strong.
I respect you for holding back on the criticism you can post on this show. You hold back and let each show try to prove itself. But, with 85% of what is going to be shown, shown, it gets harder each week.
The relationship between Qui-Gon jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi is the basis for what we know to be the relationship between a Jedi and his/her padawan. Why is there no understanding of respect? Why is there no mentorship? Why does it seem like Sol himself is the closest thing to an actual Jedi in this show and even he is a C- at best? Here is an example of bad/sloppy writing, why is torbin given an explanation of why they are there on the 7th week rather than a reactionary conversation about how they've been there for 7 weeks and haven't found what they're looking for? Why is someone who was old enough to be an advanced Padawan not able to have enough patience to just wait 5 minutes while his crew informs the Jedi council of what they found? Why has the council left an entire crew of Jedi on a strange planet without a planned rotation schedule anyway? Why would torbin commit suicide? What did he do that was that guilty? he didn't kill anyone. Sure, Sol reacted out of fear to the witch mother turning into an evil lack mist. He has probable cause , ( and qualified immunity)., if I pull out a toy that looks exactly like a gun in a tense situation, no cop is going to jail over that. Why did the whole coven die? It makes no sense?why would the Jedi feel guilty about this? I was expecting so level , something of malicious intent. None. Why was this mishap kept secret? Why did those involved feel guilty. Why were we being on as if there was something wrong with the Jedi order on the whole? This whole thing feels like a big nothing burger. Why did I waste my time watching this.
I stop after episode 3. Is this true "Torbin became a master 8 years into his force sleep. So it was 14 years later. Everyone calm down and stop bickering, the mystery has been solved!"
If you want to learn about what it takes to become a Sith, read the Darth Bane trilogy. (Path of Destruction, The Rule of Two, and Dynasty of Evil). They address the core principles of the Sith order that resulted in Emperor Palpatine rising to power. And, as a bonus, they're actually well-written and enjoyable to read or listen to.
I think Pablo and Dve has been more than asked about the script, I think at least Dave has been giving input and support during the process. Not only about the witches. There is really noone to care about and the mystery was revealed in the first episode. The only thing left is if Venestra is the sith master, who whipped Qimir and throws him out. Or did she throw him out as her jedi padawan cause he was trying dark stuff.
Watching this show is like watching someone repeatedly slam a square peg into a round hole. While you can see it’s not going to go into the hole, you give your opinion on what should be tried, and they yell at you and say that you are wrong and hateful.
They always have the viewer looking for things to "be explained later". Remember Rey's parents? They were insignificant, right? But oh, one of the parents was the child of Palpatine... That's pretty significant, imo...
Despite the mediocre writing of the Acolyte, I’m not as bothered with this since my highest expectations were for Obi-Wan and Ahsoka, which both had plot issues and smaller budgets
It’s way below mediocre. At this point we would love mediocre. I’ll give you this, though, it’s not especially worse than Obi-wan, Ashoka, or Book of Boba Fett. I think Acolyte has gotten so much hate because the fans have just have enough of crap show after crap show, and this just finally broke the dam. Enough’s enough.
Bizarrely, Leslye Headlland said in an interview with Rachel Leishman that this episode is supposed to make the audience understand why the Jedi would think their actions were justified and it was just a mistake that ended up resulting in all the death and destruction at the witch's coven. She really thinks that this is a "sympathetic to the Jedi" story. Because it wants to make the Jedi sympathetic but fails, it doesn't work as a "Jedi mean well but make tragic mistakes" episode nor does it really work as a "tear down the Jedi " episode. Instead of tragic misguided would-be heroes or compellingly diabolical villains, the Jedi come across as weird, incompetent and worst of all, boring.
And what you said at the end in response to the last person’s question is exactly why I’m not watching the show. I already knew that this show wouldn’t have a damn thing to do with the Sith, or how they hid in the shadows avoiding detection from the Jedi, and that the story would even further diminish George Lucas’s Star Wars, and I refuse to participate in that! With all the many Star wars channels that I’m subscribed to… I have found other ways to enjoy Star Wars while simultaneously ignoring the Acolyte.
According to Headland it was supposed to be Kill Bill, but Mae only got two Jedi and that was all , imagine if she had the list and every episode she had to come up with a clever plan to defeat each one it might have been good.
It seemed to go that way with the plot to kill certain Jedi masters, but not when one wants to off themselves over... wanting to go home from a scouting mission. So much potential, just horribly executed storywriting
6:17 honestly to this point, this show shouldn’t have been a mystery but a crime detective show. They should’ve taken a little inspiration of the Jedi apprentice book series that saw Qui Gon and Obi wan investigating and finding out Qui gon’s old apprentice Xanatos had become a fallen Jedi who fell to the darkside. Applying the same characters, it would’ve been a hell of a lot more interesting if Sol was the main character along with his padawan OSHA as they investigate some sort of killing of a Jedi protecting a senator. We see Sol and Osha doing detective across all the different planets part of the republic, seeing the state of the Galactic Republic during this era. At this point we find out Sol’s old padawan who was thought to have died (Qimir) was the one who killed the Jedi, and realizing he fell to the darkside. And the cliffhanger of the season is we find out he was attempting to prove himself to Darth Tenebrous and season 2 of the acolyte would be about Tenebrous and Plagueis
I know it might not be exactly what you meant (maybe you meant the hilt), but everyone's lightsabers (talking about blade length) since the sequels have been too small/short. There's very little post production editing going on anymore and they're relying too much on the LED prop blades, which are too short (the Ahsoka show was a massive offender of this). They're just putting a minor glow over them with no regard for length consistency with the OT and PT, next to no motion blur and no pulsating effect. Disney lightsabers suck.
9:13 Hey mom look, I'm famous! But seriously Thor, thank you for picking my comment and trying to answer my questions. Sorry for the bunch of them but this episode really frustrated me at the time 😅 Love your content as always.
My tally so far of unwatched SW, Episode IX, third season of the Mandalorian, Kenobi, Boba Fett, Acolyte. Thats a lot of SW which will be never watched for someone who saw the OG probably 100x, maybe more.
Lumiman data is tracking the Acolyte to be about half the total minutes watched in the first 12w then both Andor and Ashoka and that's assuming it's constant which it will probably not be considering the first two episode dropoffs
Andor did have 12 episodes, but only aired for 8 weeks. 9/21/23 thru 11/23/23. Ahsoka and The Acolyte only have 8 episodes. So, the data you're looking at should take this into account.
@@achaudhari101 are you looking for a fight? Not a good place. As for the brain damaged people in SW fanbase are only those who buy everything what comes from Disney without thinking about it. Its SW so it has to be great, here Disney here is my money, don't brother with people who don't buy your shit, quality does not matter! Its enough your are making SW content... Yeah those people have some issues. It is not our first conversation and I do suspect you might be one of them...
I think they were going to let Osha go. But Sol asked about how they were created. He wasn’t just going to take Osha without finding out about the vergence. Because that’s what they were there for on the planet and that’s why Torbin rushed over there to grab one of them.
It’s interesting seeing the difference in poll totals between you and Star Wars Meg. Hers has the majority disliking 3 and 7 but with the rest of the episodes it’s between good and ok.
Never heard of her before. Shills are more likely to watch shills though, and detractors aren't likely to watch shill channels. Thor is about as close as I'm willing to get to that.
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries So... She's a shill, because Thor rides that fence post long and deep, as much as he can get away with. If you think Thor Skywalker is negative then I don't believe you've seen true negativity toward this slop yet.
I think you’re confusing people absolutely praising it with people being lukewarm about it. Neither her or Thor are shills, they aren’t being payed to like anything. Also it’s fine to say Thor is being negative, that’s not a bad thing that’s just how he feels. But if you’re comparing it to Critical Drinker, Nerdrodic, Geeks + Gamers, Star Wars Theory etc then yeah he probably seems sunshine and rainbows about the show.
Well even comparing the view to acolyte vs mayor of kingstown. Disney + has 153mil subscribers Paramount + has 71mil subscribers (Based on flixpatrol) So half the amount of potential viewers. And mayor of kingstown is a niche/mature show, and it was barely beat by a star wars show. A STAR WARS SHOW.
that assumes all those subscribers are actually watching the shows in question im willing to bet for the disney+ one, most of those just exist to have access to older disney shows.
@@TempleGuitars right! Also starring jeremy renner! Who was born in modesto ca, same birth place as george lucas! What if it was like a smuggler/scoundrel show?!?! With sherridan manning the show. And renner as the main character. And costner as like the main villain or jabba the hutt style character. Ooo man. Your onto something!
And yet I'm still dealing with people in comments who insist that this show is good. Which is insane. You can say you like it and you can say you enjoy it. But I'm sorry. You are crazy if you think this is a quality show.
I love the irony of the Jedi being out in the wilderness for 7 weeks (exactly how long it has taken to get to episode 7 funnily enough) and Torbin (the audience) still has no clue what is happening or what the purpose of their mission is and when he finally finds out he doesn’t care and just wants to leave. Also it’s funny that he killed himself in episode 2, which is probably about how far most people who even bothered to watch got before even they stopped watching.
When Sol decides to stab Aniseya (I guess as she was trying to escape in the most threatening way possible), why does he have a dismayed expression on his face as if to say "Oh wow. My lightsaber actually hurt you. Even though I meant to stab you I can't believe I stabbed you"? It's all so confusing.
The pop song at the end is on the same level as the rock band in the Holiday Special. She really scraped the bottom of the trash compactor for inspiration when making this show.
This entire show has felt like one middle finger after another from Leslie. I have spent every episode shaking my head over and over. Add to this that rumors on the interwebs are saying if a Season 2 is greenlit, she will have creative control over Plagueis and Palpatine? (insert Michael Scott no meme here) I thought we were already cooked, but I cannot even fathom her control over those characters after this mess.
@@PelicanzzzNah, it started at least last season. I've never seen an episode and my only knowledge of the show is from reviewers, and I've been hearing they're obviously trying to make Homelander into an orange man proxy since at least then.
Not 6th place in the ratings. 6th place in the ratings for "original content." That's a much smaller pool, and consequently, 6th place on that list is especially pathetic.
It’s still crazy how Disney created something that’s even worse than the Last Jedi. it makes you wonder if they can create something worse than the acolyte. Honestly I’m just glad we have the old canon to enjoy. I still believe it’s our job as fans to keep the old EU alive and to give it to the next generation.
The thing is, this show could have worked. It was marketed as Sith-focused and we haven't gotten that. They should have just given us the sith, master and apprentice, during the High Republic, trying to stay off the Jedi's radar. Maybe a Jedi (Sol?) catches wind of them and they're trying to cover their tracks so as to go unnoticed, even if that means eliminating the Jedi.
I saw a lot of fuss about ep. 7 and out of morbid curiosity I watched it. Is nobody gonna talk about how... sensual Mother was when she was messing with Torbin's mind? And how none of the jedi even check up on him? I don't think it was just homesickness that was making Torbin, a young teenager who looked very uncomfortable, cry. No wonder he bottled up the whole situation with that vow of silence and eventual poisoning. Torbin had his mind violated by a handsy witch and recieved no evidence that anyone cares about his mental violation and physical discomfort. Mental health should not be downplayed, regardless of who you are.
Yeah, what the show wants to show the viewer and what it actually conveys are very different from eachother. Torbin literally asked for forgiveness when he drank the poison.
Star Wars is done for original OT and PT fans after Andor season 2, especially if this gets a second season so Headland can desecrate the Darth Plagueis novel. They don't want people like us as fans. They want the simps, luvvies and shills with their YordHord and Oshamir hashtags and "Acolyte Era" in their usernames. Done.
I'm reading the Young Jedi Academy or whatever books. They do NOT old up from how good I thought they were when I was a kid...but they're a good deal better than any modern Star Wars.
My fondest hopes for this show is that immediately after the last episode airs that the entire show fades into obscurity. I hope that no one talks or thinks about this show because of how poorly written and unremarkable it is.
As the first post said - This looks like a first draft that no one got the guts to critise. They building up to reveals that are empty boxes when you open them. Its like having christmas gifts with 7 empty boxes - You get all the exitment for each new box just to find another box. And one thing that confuses me about this episode is why did those witches do chants that (what it looks like?) kills them when its breaks? Isnt that a really, I mean as in really, dumb chant to do? Even for a darkside user? But if Sols biggest regrets are chosing the girl who want to be a Jedi and hiding this to be able to train her master Indara should had led him ro the council right away. This cover up looks like a kid lying about how she started a grass fire to the parents. And Torbins sudden homesick that come out of the blue could had worked if it was planted better. Like if we learn in episode 2 that he had a girl on Coruscant who left him for being away to long or something. And this is the biggest issue with the script being a first draft - Its all to often that characters changing motivations only to let that director be able to tell the story hen wants to tell without that being established or even contradicting motivations in previous episodes. And sure, ”unrealible teller” give you some learoom to do that but its even more important that tge overseer of the overall story keep watch on how it makes sense over 8 episodes. And no, let info out or being vague does not make it a great story - Its only doubling the risk of making a great confusion.
"I'm not saying a pop song ruins Star Wars." Yes it does. It's death by a thousand cuts by this point. The pop song was just another cut. That's why nobody is tuning in anymore. Each cut becomes a bridge too far for yet another fan.
Overall, the Acolyte is going to suffer from the lower total hours (which is probably applicable to Ad-Rev), so these shorter episodes definitely present a problem, but it can't help that the Acolyte is more expensive per finished minute than other shows (642K/finished minute Est). If they had full 1-hour episodes at this cost the budget would then have been $ 308M.
If searching for a "Vergeance" of the force uses conventional tools , why not use multiple probing droids with this technology to cover more ground , why not use the spaceship to scan the planet itself
I think the numbers for the acolyte would be better if the show was on something like Netflix instead of Disney+. For people who don’t watch or rewatch Star Wars or Marvel stuff, there isn’t much draw to subscribe to yet another streaming service. If it was on Netflix or whatever, I probably would’ve at least checked it out. But I’m not paying money just to watch these average-at-best shadows of what Star Wars used to be.
Feels like something they turned into a mystery for the sake of turning it into a myster or thr story didn't have any real bite.... That is text book trade mark Filoni.
Hi Thor. The yellow tree is the vergence in the force. But I wonder how it works. Probebly it was there Osha and Mae was conceived somehow. But is it also a portal or a resurrecting place for Osha and Mae. Mae says Osha always goes there when she disappears, and we the saw Mae turning up there after she fell to her death. Can it be that they can never die? Or if one is alive the other one alway comes back. You have to kill both? Thanks for all great videos
I have to be honest I had to tap out after episode 3 of this as I didn't see it going anywhere. It really is more entertaining to watch the reactions on RUclips. I'm not subscribed to D-plus I watched it at a friend's house and he dropped out after episode 5 for similar reasons. I found the comment about the Pop song playing at the end of this episode interesting. Not to drop too far out of the topic but it reminds me of another Sci-Fi franchise that did something similar. I don't know how familiar you are with, let's call it Classic Star Trek, in the series Star Trek Enterprise when it first aired one of the biggest complaints was the opening title track to the show every week. They departed from Dennis McCarthy or Jerry Goldsmith styled music which was mainly orchestral and went with a contemporary song from Russell Watson providing lyrics with Dennis McCarthy providing a more folksy instrumental. The only reason I know all this is because most if not all fans could not understand why they went in this direction with something that is kind of a staple to a long enduring franchise much like Star Wars for something which was more "contemporary". Regardless, what I have seen from the reactions to this show and most of the other D-plus shows for Star Wars is that they have really lost the plot or as most people say "what real Star Wars is". Love them or hate them or probably somewhere in between, Lucas Star Wars was more of an event type of story telling. Something with an epic scale that honestly endures the test of time. Lucas considered making a live action TV series back in the day when he still owned it but realized the cost was prohibitive at the time and it wouldn't have the quality he would probably want to put into it...maybe on that last part (see House of the Dragon regarding quality). From what I see on YT it seems like this show may have started as a "Scissor Reel" concept that they tried turning into a show but didn't have any story or competent story to go with the flash and spectacle of lightsabers igniting and aliens walking around. The state of Star Wars today is unfortunate and unnecessary. The fans are simple, for me I just wanted to see another story with Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewy. From there it would be interesting to see how the galaxy would evolve, instead they keep trying to go backwards to rewrite history and lore it seems like. The lore like many other franchises is what helps these stories endure with all the investment that fans put into it and again these new creators have lost the plot on that too.
This about falls in line with what Nielson is now revealing. The second worst viewed Disney Lucasfilm show is about to have it's official viewership numbers fall into no-mans land after ep5. While Andor ep 1&2 are still the worst that show built it's viewership over the season. The Acolyte viwership will plummet over a cliff edge.
How was Torbin a Jedi Master? The story is 16 years after he was a whiny Padawan in this episode and he was in his Barash Vow for 10 years as a Master. When or how did he become a Master? Does that leave just 6 years or what should his path be to do that given what we know about his character?
I'm interested to see what you start talking about in like a week when new Acolyte stuff isn't discovered anymore. Presumably there won't be many of any interviews or anything post-season finale, either... You'll probably still be able to go back and do some analysis or something... But I definitely wonder what's next.
You are the only star wars "commentator" that i can even stand watching anymore. I watch yours because it seems fair, honest and concise. I use to like what's his name, star wars theory, but i stored watching him years ago, and cannot stand his videos now when i try to give him another chance. This is all a side note. Keep up the good work. It is hard work to watch this crap and report back on it
I’ve watched them all but after failing to grip me with a story by the penultimate episode, I’m skipping the finale. One episode of The Boys has as much plot as this entire series.
@@achaudhari101nah, I’ve wasted too much time already. Plus it’s the only way Disney will know I didn’t like it. I stopped Willow halfway through and it ended up erased so they are paying attention.
Willow was halfway so you had a “reason” to quit even if that show was also overhated. You making it this far to the last episode of Acolyte and bailing out makes no sense.
@@achaudhari101 What makes no sense is that I'm over 3 hours deep into this "story" and don't care about any of the characters and don't understand anyone's motivations. I hope you enjoy the next episode but I don't know why you care if I watch it. If it makes you feel better, I'll likely end up watching it someday (especially if I hear they managed to produce an ending unlike the rest of the series) but currently, I'm of the mindset that I'm not going to finish a bland, undercooked meal I keep finding hairs in.
I refuse to believe 180 million was used for this show. Disney isn't an entertainment company, it's a laundromat.
It went to shills on social media to prop it up lol
Headland pocketed 179 millions, hopefully to pay for acting lessons for her wife...
Especially when you consider that House of the Dragon had similar budget.
Love the show it shows how darth plagues is still alive way he want Rey skywalker and Ben skywalker to have a baby it was him darth plagues way cuz he wants Rey skywalker baby darth plagues is lord Vader father he Luke skywalker grandfather he didn’t dead book lying to everyone he in new movies show is showing us way how darth plagues still alive he behind everything not palataine Luke skywalker grandfather behind everything he new Rey skywalker movie plagues behind everything show showing u how he survived darth plagues coming new Rey movie
@@isaacsantana6560 Do you smell toast
The best thing to come out of this show will be the inevitable Screen Rant "Acolyte Pitch Meeting".
Looking forward to that!
Making fun of The Acolyte is going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience!
Laundering 180 million dollars is super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
“Looking for a “vergence” in the force is TIGHT! “
Writer guy then gives producer guy a funny look…
@@data5369 LOL! “Looking for virgins in the force is tight!”
“Uh, that didn’t sound good at all, sir.”
“No, that didn’t sound good at all.”
😂😂😂
Lets be honest: We all are Torbin. This place, this new star wars sucks and we all just want to go home, to the good old star wars we all loved.
Except you’re not homesick.
Yeah, but I'm not drinking any juice some random, hot-chick hands me.
No. Torbin is stupid , we're not . 😂
What was the good old Star Wars we all loved because I've never even one time in my life agreed with another human being what was good or bad and I'm 52 years old. 5 years old when Han shot Greedo first. Case in point, How many Star Wars fans enjoyed that disgusting retcon of one of our favorite characters by the creator himself. Star Wars has been fucked since 1983 in my opinion. Return of the Jedi was a movie for children. It did NOT end the trilogy in a satisfying way for many fans who were growing up in adulthood at the time only to weatch the final movie feel like I was at a Chuck E Cheese parlor. SMH at modern fans who think Disney ruined Star Wars. George Lucas destroyed his franchise way before you were even born.
@@achaudhari101 Except how do you know? You're not even my real dad, just some Disney internet slop shill!
in Ep 2 Torbin is introduced as a "Jedi Master" who has being doing the Varash Vow for the last 10 years.
In episode 3 and explicitly in episode 7, 16 years before he killed himself, he is revelead to be a PADAWAN, probably a teenager, very petty, without any discipline and a lot of attachments.
So we have to believe that in the 6 YEARS FOLLOWING THE EVENTS OF EP.7, he not just became a Knight but a freaking JEDI MASTER.
How the the over the top immature kid showed in Ep 7 could become a Master in just 6 years???
@@iamlendathe same way Ki Adi Mundi could learn about strange dark side user activity and forget about it years before he was born.
"Thanks for the oversight Lucasfilm story group👍😃"
On top of that apparently he was disturbed enough to still want to leave the server. Doesn't sound like the kind of mindset you could become a master with.
"This is why Torbin did that to himself"
I think that was just to make sure he didn't have to be in any sequels.
Hey Thor, you should do a poll after the final episode;
"for those of you who did not watch (The Acolyte), will you watch it?"
With answers;
1. "Already Watched it/what i wanted to watch"
2."Have decided not to watch it from reviews"
3."have no intention/will never watch it."
4."would watch it after seeing Reviews"
5."will watch it/was waiting to binge watch"
That would be an interesting statistic to see polled with how many people are saying they are not watching in all your polls.
Likely the third option along with number 2 would have the most votes
Mystery without Story, Agenda without Plot.
But without the mystery as they tell us and the characters who the killer is within the first episode and everything else is so telegraphed, even Stevie Wonder could have seen it coming.
Osha is the only person that saw Mae start the fire…for everyone else it happened offscreen, correct??? If so, then it turns out when these supposed Jedi were making up their unnecessary lie to tell the Council they luckily stumbled on a nugget of truth when they said “Mae started the fire…”
Couldn't Osha have told them?
I noticed this, too. The writers are expecting way too much from the audience. Idk... I'm not an expert on writing g or anything, but it seems like Writing 101 to me.
@@dwaneanderson8039 before she woke up? Unlikely. They got their story straight while she was passed out on the ship and then shared it when she awoke.
@@dwaneanderson8039yeah and from episode 7 which is Sol perspective Mae yelled fire when she came out.
@@DaNewWaveLee well, because someone reports a fire doesn’t mean they should be assumed guilty of starting it. Unless, of course, the Jedis were applying “whoever smelt it, dealt it” logic.
As a Lucas Star Wars fan looking at Disney Star Wars from the outside, The Acolyte has been an interesting piece of meta drama. I’m here for the train wreck and the reactions. My interest in actually watching Disney Star Wars has long since left. It’s more fascinating to observe it in a sociological context, about how fandoms react to incompetence hijacking their franchise.
It is more entertaining watching the reaction videos and the discourse than the actual show. Don’t have Disney+ and won’t be subscribing any time soon, nor am I buying any merchandise anymore, hope their new fans are making up for that.
Why are you here then if you are condemning everything like a vengeful vagina would?
I don't have Disney +. I watch it when I visit family with Disney+. I won't pay for a subscription.
Make sure to watch Andor season 2 though!
@FlyingCircles , absolutely!!! I plan to watch it with my father, who has Disney+. I told him we need to rewatch Andor Season 1 first. He's 79, and it's one of the only shows he watched without focusing on his laptop.😁 That's unspoken praise from him!😀👍
There are fans? I really want to meet her.
Me too, really want to talk to Kathleen to try and understand why...
"her" as in the individual fan?
They are likely disabled, blind, deaf along with Lesban and gay at the same time!
Why were the Jedi eating around a campfire? There's no reason to have a campfire at all... They have a FREAKING starship! Why don't we see them using that resource while looking for something as important as the vergence in the force? Luke's X-wing could see life signs and power plants from orbit.
Or droids, even.
If it's something a scanner can pick up, rather than Force meditation, then why not stock the scanner on a droid and send that in?
@@russ254 because the writing sucks. that's why. also we will tell the truth, Mae started the fire.. HOW DID YA'LL KNOW THAT? my god, now my brain is about to be mush by making sense of something so nonsensical.
Because eating around campfires is awesome, I love it. That clarified, yeah the writing still sucks.
The campfire was because the wookie doesn't like to cook inside ships that's why and the only reason they bring him in: to search for coins and to cook 👍
Oh is this the next thing to get fake outraged over is a campfire?
To me it feels there isn't enough story for an 8 episode TV show. This could easily have been told in a two hour movie.
It should have been at most an hour long special
@@666daemian It would likely still stunk
@@superomegaprimemk2 yeah but it would be over faster
Spaceballs and Hardware Wars showed Star Wars more respect.
Hardware Wars is so much better because it showed real creativity and effort.
Spaceballs has a low DEI score tho and thats what really matters
Thumb Wars
What was Hardware Wars(year/genre/director/studio)? I never heard of that one.
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries Oobedoob Benubi:
I am Oobedoob Benubi. I have the silliest name in the galaxy.
Loke Groundrunner:
What's your middle-name?
Oobedoob Benubi:
Scooby-Dooby.
Loke Groundrunner:
Oobedoob Scooby-Dooby Benubi?
Oobedoob Benubi:
One and the same.
Also, to add about Torbin being homesick, there’s no reason for him to be homesick.
And that's because, factoring in how hyperspace works in this show, the entire team could go home every night and commute to the planet every day as it would only take about half an hour.
True, I hate how small space is in Star Wars. There is no sense of distance or effort connecting to travel. Everything seems just be just a short commute away.
@@7177YTthis is a new problem created by Disney. The OT handled traveling across the galaxy quite well
Sol didnt come off creepy, he behaved exactly like the average disney employee lmao
It's so clear John Williams had nothing to do with this show.
Michael Abels
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries Who needs him! Amandala get in here, and bring ur MacBook! 😀
@@drtaverner maybe this was KK trying to give John Williams (style wise, I know he has sworn of working on SW now) the finger after she was shamed by Spielberg before Indy 5. 😂
@@alienclay2 I feel like that gives her too much credit for assuming any thought went into it.😂
Instead of grabbing the Bridge, why not use the Force to lift both of them? Would've been alot lighter.
and it still would be the same scene and the same movement ...
The way they both just stood on opposite sides of the bridge instad of, I don't know, taking a few steps back? Fuck this show.
because they had to have sol feel guilty for something.
Maybe carrying two small twins with the force it's more hard to carrying out of a swamp an X-Wing...
He ran out of spell slots, he only had grab bridge left.
Torbin's whole arc is being abused as a teen, acting out irrationally because of said abuse, bear the guilt of his actions, isolating himself and taking his own life.
He's an abuse victim who ends up taking his own life.
And some people are saying that this is justified from him.
Good job.
I got an email from my internet provider offering a package that included Disney+. I deleted the email.
You’re not edgy like that.
@@achaudhari101 You're right. I just moved it to my spam folder.
@@achaudhari101sup shill
@@666daemian Sup brain damaged one.
If they want to end an episode with a modern day pop song, it can only be Smash Mouth's All Star or it won't work.
Or that song "I'm Han solo! I'm Han Solo!" lol
You're the internet winner for the day
Worked for the digimon movie. It's a terrible movie but still oddly memorable because of the music.
I just LOVE empty mystery boxes.
My favorite is when the dude from Ashoka was a literal fart cloud 😂
I’ve said it before. I can’t wait for this show to be over so I can watch Thor talk about Star Wars instead of whatever this show is.
Torbin got the worst deal smh.. Not only did he do nothing overtly wrong, he didn’t even kill in self defense. Dude literally couldn’t hurt a fly.. Then offs himself from guilt?? Wow
And somehow became a knight and a master within 6 years because he was the n the Barash Vow for 10 years
And that's what narcissistic "Female-Centric" storytelling results in, they're so focused on their Female characters, writing them as all Wise, Intelligent, Brave etc that they just neglect or sometime even purposefully write the Male characters in their stories to be either emasculated, incompetent or just straight out given a raw deal. And if you notice Indara never even checked on her Padwan, after he'd been literally mind-raped by Mother Aniesia, and then after his battle with the possessed Kelnaca; Indara never even tended to Torbin's wounds did she.
The writers have never seen a murder mystery in their combined lives, murder on the Orient express this is not..😂😢😅
Let's lie to the council!
But Sir, that's not a lie, that's just... what happened.
Don't question my LoGiC!
Honestly, that was just the cherry on top of the nonsens, but it didn't make sense. Why lie when you did nothing wrong. And they did nothing wrong.
Maybe going in when Sol and Torbin did wasn't the best moment, but they did it for good reasons, because they thought CHILDREN were in danger.
Sol killing also wasn't a big issue since he protected a child, it clearly seemed like she is attacking or at least doing something to the child.
And Master Trinity killing all the witches also wasn't wrong since she protected her Jedi who got attacked by a mind controlled wookie who wanted to kill them. Even if she knew (which she didn't, the show at least never tells us) that would kill the witches, I think it would even be reasonable within the Jedi code to defend themselfs from an attack.
Show wants to tell us Jedi bad.
Show shows us they did nothing wrong. Why would they lie about it.
When you mix sheer incompetence hubris and narcissism, you get this show.
Incompetence: Kennedy
Hubris: Filoni/Pablo
Narcissism: Leslie Headland
What makes Leslye Headland a narcissist? Lol
@@nikolaimyhre1187 Just watch the interviews she gives talking about her Acolyte show. She writes herself into her work she says this, and it's evident in the Acolyte with the twins whole backstory. She mentions "Counter Culture" and how that was also something she wanted to include and reference in her Acolyte story.
Look at the Jedi and the Brendoc witches, what they practice, their beliefs and ways, where all that "leans". And how they say they've been hunted, oppressed and how the Jedi come in, concerned bout their youngsters. One could argue that is all a social message on our society in the past and it's complicated interactions and understandings of the "rainbow community" itself.
Leslie Headland did say regarding her Acolyte, "I know myself as a queer woman and I know my community". She also said that when she pitched her overall story of the Acolyte to Kathleen Kennedy at Lucasfilm, Kennedy encouraged Leslie to get personal and write her own personal things into her story.
Leslie is definitely reflecting modern, current days attitudes into her story here. And all it does is makes for some very weird story and character motivations when we really analyze and try to see these as "Starwars Characters". It's meant to be a *Space Opera*.
Here's a example HAN SOLO. In the original trilogy Han is a "rogue" like figure, involved with the criminal underworld and needs to pay his debt to a crime lord. In ANH Luke is the young, naive but hopeful kid, who asks Han to help the Rebel Cause in their fight against the Empire, but Han is having none of it, he has his own problems and so he's looking out for himself. Yet by the end of the movie, Han makes the big decision, he chooses to do the right thing, he turns around, goes back and helps the kid. He actually shoots Vader's ship, preventing him from destroying Luke, enabling Luke to pull off that crack shot, when he let's go and trusts in the force. So Han chooses to be a better person, he becomes selfless.
this is such awesome writing, and when Luke gets back to Yavin base, the 3 of them are ecstatic, Luke, Han & Leia, they hug eachother, they are true Friends who came together like a Family and looked out for eachother. Han Solo is a perfectly written character in this "space fantasy" because he starts out cynical because of the particular life he's had, but finds true "Friends" and Friendship in the most unlikely of people a "princess" and a plucky "farmboy" and he learns to care about others and finds real meaning in his life. So that eventually when he does have to face the music, and the crime lord captures him; Han's Friends come to save him.
Now what kind of message does the Acolyte give us? I don't see no *Positive message* for kids especially in the Acolyte. All I see is a very Nihilistic viewpoint, very Gray.
Our REAL WORLD is going that way becoming more and more gray and Nihilistic, but *Star Wars* is Not that. It's about GOOD vs EVIL and the good triumphing over the bad. People of ALL creeds and differences coming together to face the evil and defeat it.
Maybe in the final episode we will actually get to see Qimir's junk or something and that is the actual big reveal they've been building up to.
I thought his arms was the big reveal 😂
If that happens, I will at least applaud both this franchise and Disney for being bold enough to do that.
Related to the comment of "was this a first draft?", I add that it seems like the writers didn't read each other's scripts. Especially since the beginning has things like "Jedi do not attack the unarmed" which was supposed to be a hypocritical moment when they didn't: Sol stabbed Aniseya when she became a spooky smoke monster and starting to disintegrate Mae, and the rest of the witches died because they possessed a wookiee and had him try to kill his friends. And Torbin, poor Torbin, went out with us thinking he had some dark secret with crushing guilt only to find out he was a victim in the whole thing! He probably was suffering from PTSD and took the poison to end his own suffering (not a good look for Mae). And where does Qimir fit into all of this, anyways? It seems like the witches' story and the Sith (Qimir)'s story don't mesh at all. We have about a 1/4 of the show for something that is only tangentially related to what is happening right now. Honestly it is just a mess, and really does feel like a first draft of individual scripts and then just slapped together. That is the reason most episodes don't flow into each other, character motivations seem to change from episode to episode, and the whole thing just feels disjointed. For $180 million, you would think Disney would bring their A game, but alas, that's not how Modern Hollywood do. It isn't about quality, it's about checking boxes.
Thor, did you read the Nerdist interview with Headland? It doesn't speak well of her writing room's ability to write mysteries... or anything else, with all the things she seemed to think were *obviously* shown onscreen
@@robynfuller3988 the only thing she's obvious about showing is she's talentless. Got where she is because she knows the secrets of her old boss and she could name names like the Epstein list.
It’s crazy she is literally contradicting herself. Peak brain rot. In most of what she is saying it literally makes no sense and she’s just putting random words in a sentence…. I will never understand how this bint was trusted with $180m . What’s is even more insulting is how she is constantly stealing George’s ideas and poorly executing them and seems she has an obsession with Qui Gon and she can’t stop yapping about him and making comparisons she clearly doesn’t understand.
So many writers these days don’t have someone outside of their room review their scripts or first cuts to see if they work. The echo chambers are strong.
I respect you for holding back on the criticism you can post on this show. You hold back and let each show try to prove itself. But, with 85% of what is going to be shown, shown, it gets harder each week.
The relationship between Qui-Gon jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi is the basis for what we know to be the relationship between a Jedi and his/her padawan.
Why is there no understanding of respect? Why is there no mentorship? Why does it seem like Sol himself is the closest thing to an actual Jedi in this show and even he is a C- at best?
Here is an example of bad/sloppy writing, why is torbin given an explanation of why they are there on the 7th week rather than a reactionary conversation about how they've been there for 7 weeks and haven't found what they're looking for? Why is someone who was old enough to be an advanced Padawan not able to have enough patience to just wait 5 minutes while his crew informs the Jedi council of what they found?
Why has the council left an entire crew of Jedi on a strange planet without a planned rotation schedule anyway?
Why would torbin commit suicide? What did he do that was that guilty? he didn't kill anyone.
Sure, Sol reacted out of fear to the witch mother turning into an evil lack mist. He has probable cause , ( and qualified immunity)., if I pull out a toy that looks exactly like a gun in a tense situation, no cop is going to jail over that.
Why did the whole coven die? It makes no sense?why would the Jedi feel guilty about this?
I was expecting so level , something of malicious intent. None. Why was this mishap kept secret? Why did those involved feel guilty. Why were we being on as if there was something wrong with the Jedi order on the whole? This whole thing feels like a big nothing burger. Why did I waste my time watching this.
I stop after episode 3. Is this true
"Torbin became a master 8 years into his force sleep. So it was 14 years later. Everyone calm down and stop bickering, the mystery has been solved!"
If you want to learn about what it takes to become a Sith, read the Darth Bane trilogy. (Path of Destruction, The Rule of Two, and Dynasty of Evil). They address the core principles of the Sith order that resulted in Emperor Palpatine rising to power. And, as a bonus, they're actually well-written and enjoyable to read or listen to.
I think Pablo and Dve has been more than asked about the script, I think at least Dave has been giving input and support during the process. Not only about the witches.
There is really noone to care about and the mystery was revealed in the first episode. The only thing left is if Venestra is the sith master, who whipped Qimir and throws him out. Or did she throw him out as her jedi padawan cause he was trying dark stuff.
Watching this show is like watching someone repeatedly slam a square peg into a round hole. While you can see it’s not going to go into the hole, you give your opinion on what should be tried, and they yell at you and say that you are wrong and hateful.
Captain Fordo also uses that analogy when describing the countless retcons perpetuated by _The Clone Wars._
The numbers, Mason! LOOK AT THE NUMBERS!!
They always have the viewer looking for things to "be explained later". Remember Rey's parents? They were insignificant, right? But oh, one of the parents was the child of Palpatine... That's pretty significant, imo...
The suffering is almost over
_witches cackling in the distance._
Then we will be blessed with skeleton crew 😂
Despite the mediocre writing of the Acolyte, I’m not as bothered with this since my highest expectations were for Obi-Wan and Ahsoka, which both had plot issues and smaller budgets
It's below mediocre at this point.
Watch the Acolyte get multiple seasons but Kenobi and Boba Fett get one 😂😑
The only Star Wars show I'm looking forward to at this point is Andor.
@@Sci-Fi-Mike Correction: Kennedyfilm's Star Wars: Andor.
It’s way below mediocre. At this point we would love mediocre. I’ll give you this, though, it’s not especially worse than Obi-wan, Ashoka, or Book of Boba Fett. I think Acolyte has gotten so much hate because the fans have just have enough of crap show after crap show, and this just finally broke the dam. Enough’s enough.
My dad and I watched it.
Bizarrely, Leslye Headlland said in an interview with Rachel Leishman that this episode is supposed to make the audience understand why the Jedi would think their actions were justified and it was just a mistake that ended up resulting in all the death and destruction at the witch's coven. She really thinks that this is a "sympathetic to the Jedi" story. Because it wants to make the Jedi sympathetic but fails, it doesn't work as a "Jedi mean well but make tragic mistakes" episode nor does it really work as a "tear down the Jedi " episode. Instead of tragic misguided would-be heroes or compellingly diabolical villains, the Jedi come across as weird, incompetent and worst of all, boring.
And what you said at the end in response to the last person’s question is exactly why I’m not watching the show. I already knew that this show wouldn’t have a damn thing to do with the Sith, or how they hid in the shadows avoiding detection from the Jedi, and that the story would even further diminish George Lucas’s Star Wars, and I refuse to participate in that! With all the many Star wars channels that I’m subscribed to… I have found other ways to enjoy Star Wars while simultaneously ignoring the Acolyte.
According to Headland it was supposed to be Kill Bill, but Mae only got two Jedi and that was all , imagine if she had the list and every episode she had to come up with a clever plan to defeat each one it might have been good.
Yeah… Imagine if it had actually been a good show, then it would’ve been really good 😂
It seemed to go that way with the plot to kill certain Jedi masters, but not when one wants to off themselves over... wanting to go home from a scouting mission. So much potential, just horribly executed storywriting
Imagine the showrunners from The Rings Of Power said they'll gonna write the stories Tolkien didn't wrote 😅😅😅
6:17 honestly to this point, this show shouldn’t have been a mystery but a crime detective show. They should’ve taken a little inspiration of the Jedi apprentice book series that saw Qui Gon and Obi wan investigating and finding out Qui gon’s old apprentice Xanatos had become a fallen Jedi who fell to the darkside.
Applying the same characters, it would’ve been a hell of a lot more interesting if Sol was the main character along with his padawan OSHA as they investigate some sort of killing of a Jedi protecting a senator. We see Sol and Osha doing detective across all the different planets part of the republic, seeing the state of the Galactic Republic during this era.
At this point we find out Sol’s old padawan who was thought to have died (Qimir) was the one who killed the Jedi, and realizing he fell to the darkside. And the cliffhanger of the season is we find out he was attempting to prove himself to Darth Tenebrous and season 2 of the acolyte would be about Tenebrous and Plagueis
I’m watching Euro and Copa instead . Ole!
Is it just me or is Kelnacca’s lightsaber a bit too small for someone who is 7 feet tall?
He accidentally picked up Yoda’s before they left Coruscant.
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries lol
Meanwhile the rest of them are much too thick.
I know it might not be exactly what you meant (maybe you meant the hilt), but everyone's lightsabers (talking about blade length) since the sequels have been too small/short. There's very little post production editing going on anymore and they're relying too much on the LED prop blades, which are too short (the Ahsoka show was a massive offender of this). They're just putting a minor glow over them with no regard for length consistency with the OT and PT, next to no motion blur and no pulsating effect. Disney lightsabers suck.
9:13
Hey mom look, I'm famous!
But seriously Thor, thank you for picking my comment and trying to answer my questions. Sorry for the bunch of them but this episode really frustrated me at the time 😅
Love your content as always.
My tally so far of unwatched SW, Episode IX, third season of the Mandalorian, Kenobi, Boba Fett, Acolyte. Thats a lot of SW which will be never watched for someone who saw the OG probably 100x, maybe more.
Lumiman data is tracking the Acolyte to be about half the total minutes watched in the first 12w then both Andor and Ashoka and that's assuming it's constant which it will probably not be considering the first two episode dropoffs
Andor did have 12 episodes, but only aired for 8 weeks. 9/21/23 thru 11/23/23.
Ahsoka and The Acolyte only have 8 episodes.
So, the data you're looking at should take this into account.
ITS TORBIN TIME
Torbin represents the audience of this series, it's so bad they just want it to end and then off themselves.
Thor IT WAS the best and biggest franchise. The fanbase is shrinking day by day
Not entirely.
@@achaudhari101 if we look at the numbers, people watching the series ... yeah day by day the fanbase melts
Not the franchise altogether. I mean I get you think that people still caring about it are brain damaged but I can say the same towards you.
@@achaudhari101 are you looking for a fight? Not a good place. As for the brain damaged people in SW fanbase are only those who buy everything what comes from Disney without thinking about it. Its SW so it has to be great, here Disney here is my money, don't brother with people who don't buy your shit, quality does not matter! Its enough your are making SW content... Yeah those people have some issues. It is not our first conversation and I do suspect you might be one of them...
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Probably moved on, like back to the old EU for example. :)
I think they were going to let Osha go. But Sol asked about how they were created. He wasn’t just going to take Osha without finding out about the vergence. Because that’s what they were there for on the planet and that’s why Torbin rushed over there to grab one of them.
I'm wonder would the metal detector react or functioning if they scanned it over Mae and Osha? 😂
It would probably just explode
The Acolyte being 6th in the top 10 most watched shows is way too high.
Those numbers are from June 10-16th, when people didn't necessarily know how bad the show was.
@@RandomBitzzz good point. Still high given how bad previous Disney shows have been. People still coming back to watch more garbage.
It’s interesting seeing the difference in poll totals between you and Star Wars Meg. Hers has the majority disliking 3 and 7 but with the rest of the episodes it’s between good and ok.
Never heard of her before. Shills are more likely to watch shills though, and detractors aren't likely to watch shill channels.
Thor is about as close as I'm willing to get to that.
I wouldn’t say she’s a shill, she’s more on Thor’s level with her views but not as negative. She’s not loving the Acolyte either though.
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries So... She's a shill, because Thor rides that fence post long and deep, as much as he can get away with.
If you think Thor Skywalker is negative then I don't believe you've seen true negativity toward this slop yet.
I think you’re confusing people absolutely praising it with people being lukewarm about it. Neither her or Thor are shills, they aren’t being payed to like anything.
Also it’s fine to say Thor is being negative, that’s not a bad thing that’s just how he feels. But if you’re comparing it to Critical Drinker, Nerdrodic, Geeks + Gamers, Star Wars Theory etc then yeah he probably seems sunshine and rainbows about the show.
Btw interesting username, everything directly @ you gets deleted by RUclips.
Well even comparing the view to acolyte vs mayor of kingstown.
Disney + has 153mil subscribers
Paramount + has 71mil subscribers
(Based on flixpatrol)
So half the amount of potential viewers. And mayor of kingstown is a niche/mature show, and it was barely beat by a star wars show. A STAR WARS SHOW.
that assumes all those subscribers are actually watching the shows in question
im willing to bet for the disney+ one, most of those just exist to have access to older disney shows.
Mayor of Kingstown is so good. Let's give Taylor Sheridan a Star Wars show!
@@TempleGuitars right!
Also starring jeremy renner! Who was born in modesto ca, same birth place as george lucas!
What if it was like a smuggler/scoundrel show?!?! With sherridan manning the show. And renner as the main character. And costner as like the main villain or jabba the hutt style character. Ooo man. Your onto something!
And yet I'm still dealing with people in comments who insist that this show is good. Which is insane. You can say you like it and you can say you enjoy it. But I'm sorry. You are crazy if you think this is a quality show.
Literally never seen a fan of this show.
I love the irony of the Jedi being out in the wilderness for 7 weeks (exactly how long it has taken to get to episode 7 funnily enough) and Torbin (the audience) still has no clue what is happening or what the purpose of their mission is and when he finally finds out he doesn’t care and just wants to leave.
Also it’s funny that he killed himself in episode 2, which is probably about how far most people who even bothered to watch got before even they stopped watching.
When Sol decides to stab Aniseya (I guess as she was trying to escape in the most threatening way possible), why does he have a dismayed expression on his face as if to say "Oh wow. My lightsaber actually hurt you. Even though I meant to stab you I can't believe I stabbed you"? It's all so confusing.
I really don't care about watching this show, I'm just mesmerized by the culture war clusterfuck around it
The pop song at the end is on the same level as the rock band in the Holiday Special. She really scraped the bottom of the trash compactor for inspiration when making this show.
The answers to the mystery are the friends we made along the way
It’s actually really noteworthy that it’s competing with Bridgerton because I think there’s some market overlap between those target audiences.
This entire show has felt like one middle finger after another from Leslie. I have spent every episode shaking my head over and over. Add to this that rumors on the interwebs are saying if a Season 2 is greenlit, she will have creative control over Plagueis and Palpatine? (insert Michael Scott no meme here) I thought we were already cooked, but I cannot even fathom her control over those characters after this mess.
Don't worry, Disney Star Wars isn't Lucas Star Wars.
Best Star Wars I've seen in a while.
Love the coven of witches, and wish I could see other types of force users.
The funniest part is the Boys caters to a far left audience, so they SHOULD be the same people watching both. 😂😂
Right reviewers claim it didn't start actually pandering to the left until this season.
@@PelicanzzzNah, it started at least last season. I've never seen an episode and my only knowledge of the show is from reviewers, and I've been hearing they're obviously trying to make Homelander into an orange man proxy since at least then.
Not 6th place in the ratings. 6th place in the ratings for "original content." That's a much smaller pool, and consequently, 6th place on that list is especially pathetic.
It’s still crazy how Disney created something that’s even worse than the Last Jedi. it makes you wonder if they can create something worse than the acolyte. Honestly I’m just glad we have the old canon to enjoy. I still believe it’s our job as fans to keep the old EU alive and to give it to the next generation.
It’s not worst than TLJ.
@@achaudhari101it’s definitely not better so it’s at least as terrible
@@666daemian Not quite. You get a good lightsaber fight in this as opposed to TLJ.
@@achaudhari101 I can at least agree with that. So it is ever so minimally better.
They could always do a sci-fi space reskin of she hulk?
The thing is, this show could have worked. It was marketed as Sith-focused and we haven't gotten that. They should have just given us the sith, master and apprentice, during the High Republic, trying to stay off the Jedi's radar. Maybe a Jedi (Sol?) catches wind of them and they're trying to cover their tracks so as to go unnoticed, even if that means eliminating the Jedi.
Wasn't the last time we had a pop song in Star Wars was in the Holiday Special?
I saw a lot of fuss about ep. 7 and out of morbid curiosity I watched it. Is nobody gonna talk about how... sensual Mother was when she was messing with Torbin's mind? And how none of the jedi even check up on him? I don't think it was just homesickness that was making Torbin, a young teenager who looked very uncomfortable, cry. No wonder he bottled up the whole situation with that vow of silence and eventual poisoning. Torbin had his mind violated by a handsy witch and recieved no evidence that anyone cares about his mental violation and physical discomfort. Mental health should not be downplayed, regardless of who you are.
Absolutely.
Yeah, what the show wants to show the viewer and what it actually conveys are very different from eachother.
Torbin literally asked for forgiveness when he drank the poison.
Star Wars is done for original OT and PT fans after Andor season 2, especially if this gets a second season so Headland can desecrate the Darth Plagueis novel. They don't want people like us as fans. They want the simps, luvvies and shills with their YordHord and Oshamir hashtags and "Acolyte Era" in their usernames. Done.
Not likely.
The only mysteries in this show have been "Who is Smilo?" and "Why are these characters doing any of this?"
I'm reading the Young Jedi Academy or whatever books. They do NOT old up from how good I thought they were when I was a kid...but they're a good deal better than any modern Star Wars.
My fondest hopes for this show is that immediately after the last episode airs that the entire show fades into obscurity. I hope that no one talks or thinks about this show because of how poorly written and unremarkable it is.
Never go full soyboy like that.
@@achaudhari101 Wassup shill.
As the first post said - This looks like a first draft that no one got the guts to critise. They building up to reveals that are empty boxes when you open them. Its like having christmas gifts with 7 empty boxes - You get all the exitment for each new box just to find another box.
And one thing that confuses me about this episode is why did those witches do chants that (what it looks like?) kills them when its breaks? Isnt that a really, I mean as in really, dumb chant to do? Even for a darkside user?
But if Sols biggest regrets are chosing the girl who want to be a Jedi and hiding this to be able to train her master Indara should had led him ro the council right away. This cover up looks like a kid lying about how she started a grass fire to the parents.
And Torbins sudden homesick that come out of the blue could had worked if it was planted better. Like if we learn in episode 2 that he had a girl on Coruscant who left him for being away to long or something.
And this is the biggest issue with the script being a first draft - Its all to often that characters changing motivations only to let that director be able to tell the story hen wants to tell without that being established or even contradicting motivations in previous episodes.
And sure, ”unrealible teller” give you some learoom to do that but its even more important that tge overseer of the overall story keep watch on how it makes sense over 8 episodes.
And no, let info out or being vague does not make it a great story - Its only doubling the risk of making a great confusion.
"I'm not saying a pop song ruins Star Wars." Yes it does. It's death by a thousand cuts by this point. The pop song was just another cut. That's why nobody is tuning in anymore. Each cut becomes a bridge too far for yet another fan.
That’s just over exaggerating.
@@achaudhari101 Oh wow, brilliant analysis, you must be a college graduate.
Don’t need to in order to call out BS.
@@achaudhari101 Cool, enjoy Star Wars for stupid people.
The show seems to be scrapbooked together from scenes written by different writers who did not communicate with each other.
Overall, the Acolyte is going to suffer from the lower total hours (which is probably applicable to Ad-Rev), so these shorter episodes definitely present a problem, but it can't help that the Acolyte is more expensive per finished minute than other shows (642K/finished minute Est). If they had full 1-hour episodes at this cost the budget would then have been $ 308M.
I thought I was watching the 1st episode again
Show sank faster than the Titanic 🚢
If searching for a "Vergeance" of the force uses conventional tools , why not use multiple probing droids with this technology to cover more ground , why not use the spaceship to scan the planet itself
I think the numbers for the acolyte would be better if the show was on something like Netflix instead of Disney+. For people who don’t watch or rewatch Star Wars or Marvel stuff, there isn’t much draw to subscribe to yet another streaming service. If it was on Netflix or whatever, I probably would’ve at least checked it out. But I’m not paying money just to watch these average-at-best shadows of what Star Wars used to be.
Half the people that worked on the project and RUclips content creators.
Feels like something they turned into a mystery for the sake of turning it into a myster or thr story didn't have any real bite....
That is text book trade mark Filoni.
Hi Thor. The yellow tree is the vergence in the force. But I wonder how it works. Probebly it was there Osha and Mae was conceived somehow. But is it also a portal or a resurrecting place for Osha and Mae. Mae says Osha always goes there when she disappears, and we the saw Mae turning up there after she fell to her death. Can it be that they can never die? Or if one is alive the other one alway comes back. You have to kill both?
Thanks for all great videos
We didn't start the fire
I thought Acolyte was bad but Episode 7 really brought everything together
I have to be honest I had to tap out after episode 3 of this as I didn't see it going anywhere. It really is more entertaining to watch the reactions on RUclips. I'm not subscribed to D-plus I watched it at a friend's house and he dropped out after episode 5 for similar reasons. I found the comment about the Pop song playing at the end of this episode interesting. Not to drop too far out of the topic but it reminds me of another Sci-Fi franchise that did something similar. I don't know how familiar you are with, let's call it Classic Star Trek, in the series Star Trek Enterprise when it first aired one of the biggest complaints was the opening title track to the show every week. They departed from Dennis McCarthy or Jerry Goldsmith styled music which was mainly orchestral and went with a contemporary song from Russell Watson providing lyrics with Dennis McCarthy providing a more folksy instrumental. The only reason I know all this is because most if not all fans could not understand why they went in this direction with something that is kind of a staple to a long enduring franchise much like Star Wars for something which was more "contemporary". Regardless, what I have seen from the reactions to this show and most of the other D-plus shows for Star Wars is that they have really lost the plot or as most people say "what real Star Wars is". Love them or hate them or probably somewhere in between, Lucas Star Wars was more of an event type of story telling. Something with an epic scale that honestly endures the test of time. Lucas considered making a live action TV series back in the day when he still owned it but realized the cost was prohibitive at the time and it wouldn't have the quality he would probably want to put into it...maybe on that last part (see House of the Dragon regarding quality). From what I see on YT it seems like this show may have started as a "Scissor Reel" concept that they tried turning into a show but didn't have any story or competent story to go with the flash and spectacle of lightsabers igniting and aliens walking around. The state of Star Wars today is unfortunate and unnecessary. The fans are simple, for me I just wanted to see another story with Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewy. From there it would be interesting to see how the galaxy would evolve, instead they keep trying to go backwards to rewrite history and lore it seems like. The lore like many other franchises is what helps these stories endure with all the investment that fans put into it and again these new creators have lost the plot on that too.
This about falls in line with what Nielson is now revealing. The second worst viewed Disney Lucasfilm show is about to have it's official viewership numbers fall into no-mans land after ep5. While Andor ep 1&2 are still the worst that show built it's viewership over the season. The Acolyte viwership will plummet over a cliff edge.
How was Torbin a Jedi Master? The story is 16 years after he was a whiny Padawan in this episode and he was in his Barash Vow for 10 years as a Master. When or how did he become a Master? Does that leave just 6 years or what should his path be to do that given what we know about his character?
I'm interested to see what you start talking about in like a week when new Acolyte stuff isn't discovered anymore. Presumably there won't be many of any interviews or anything post-season finale, either... You'll probably still be able to go back and do some analysis or something... But I definitely wonder what's next.
You are the only star wars "commentator" that i can even stand watching anymore. I watch yours because it seems fair, honest and concise.
I use to like what's his name, star wars theory, but i stored watching him years ago, and cannot stand his videos now when i try to give him another chance. This is all a side note.
Keep up the good work. It is hard work to watch this crap and report back on it
It wasn't the strongest episode, but name me a show that's perfect. I'm liking this show so far, and look forward to season two
Why?
Disney doesn't understand how to make good TV.
They do. Loki and X Men 97 are proof as such.
Personally i think I'd have preferred a show about the history of cheese in the star wars galaxy
I’ve watched them all but after failing to grip me with a story by the penultimate episode, I’m skipping the finale. One episode of The Boys has as much plot as this entire series.
You might as well finish it.
@@achaudhari101nah, I’ve wasted too much time already. Plus it’s the only way Disney will know I didn’t like it. I stopped Willow halfway through and it ended up erased so they are paying attention.
Willow was halfway so you had a “reason” to quit even if that show was also overhated. You making it this far to the last episode of Acolyte and bailing out makes no sense.
@@achaudhari101 What makes no sense is that I'm over 3 hours deep into this "story" and don't care about any of the characters and don't understand anyone's motivations. I hope you enjoy the next episode but I don't know why you care if I watch it. If it makes you feel better, I'll likely end up watching it someday (especially if I hear they managed to produce an ending unlike the rest of the series) but currently, I'm of the mindset that I'm not going to finish a bland, undercooked meal I keep finding hairs in.