Please watch the video on youtube called: Documentary: Protestantism's Big Justification Lie uploader is vaticancatholic The documentary, among many other things, explains, examines, and refutes the historic Protestant teaching on Justification (and Forensic Justification) by exposing a fatal flaw at its core. It reveals a devastating new argument and disproves the Protestant position by using the words of the Protestants themselves. It shows that the key salvation doctrine of the Protestant ‘Reformation’ is fundamentally contradictory. It thus serves to refute and expose the entire Protestant 'Reformation'. Among many other things, this documentary discusses, refutes, and exposes the views of prominent Protestants, including John MacArthur, James White, John Piper, R.C. Sproul, Michael Kruger, Steven Anderson, Charles Stanley, and numerous others. It also covers water baptism, faith alone, whether the justified can fall away, and much more. It’s essential for everyone to see this video. It’s especially relevant to anyone interested in the true teaching of the Gospel, the Bible’s teaching on salvation, apologetics, or Catholic vs. Protestant issues. This video contains many extremely interesting and revealing video clips.
Biblical Christianity What ‘Bible’ do you read? The actual Bible explicitly and directly teaches that Baptism saves. 1 Peter 3:20-21- "...when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was being built: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water. Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saves you also..."
Naughty Apologia. Publishing amazing talks at quarter to midnight UK time.... now I feel a strong temptation to stay up another 55 minutes when I should really be in bed!!!! God bless your ministries, red door, church planting etc etc. God bless the ninja! :)
Genius. Good preaching. I really struggled with the scripture or tradition paradox for quite some time. It's an amazing "duh" moment when you realize God created both and is the ultimate authority.
APOLOGIA!!!AHHHH I LOVE YOU GUYS! thank you for all of your hard work and sacrifice! lets vote who here would LOVE to see Jeff Durbin debate Joe Rogan on the existence of God? hmmm maybe not a bad idea guys!! sorry not to give in to secular society and even entertain the idea but i feel that would be powerful!
Preach the Gospel, when necessary use words- is true. It's calls us to acknowledge that God is love, and one of the best ways to show others Him is to live that love.
Okay, I’m not lusting after Jeff, but I hope and pray for a husband as bold and biblically-accurate (an epic beard would be nice haha). I’ve learned so much, thank you!
If Jesus was talking to you would you be apologetic or would you follow his teaching and stand with him regardless of your apologetic stand of his word? Either you stand on his terms or you apologize for his terms. Don't apologize for jesus be jesus and make it happen.
Sad thing is...most of Christianity are stuck in the wrong books of their bibles. Their pastors keep them in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and the saints aren't being taught the revelation of the mystery given to Paul. Staying in books of your bible that aren't even written to the body of Christ is the issue in the church. There is no other issue than that. All problems stem from this fact. Read the books written to you, Romans-Philemon, and learn what the revelation of the mystery is. And only use a KJB.
Cobrauh. Are you into considering very different viewpoints ? My view is very, very different. The Body and Bride of Christ is The Ecclesia( The Called Out, the Church) and is Israel; Spiritual Israel. Physical Israel and the nation of Israel have no special place in the economy of God, except that, like all other nations, He saves some of the nation's souls, such as the Messianic Jews. All of the Bible is profitable for believers, once it is read in context. From the context, it is clear to me that Paul's writings are not of the same level of inspiration as most of the rest of the Bible . I understand that your view seeks to reconcile the confusing and contradictory prophecies of The Book of Revelations, by creating two different classes. The Body(Christians) and The Bride (Physical Israel). For me, those difficulties do not arise, since I see that much of Revelations is metaphorical and not literal. The writings of Emanuel Swedenborg explain this deeper interpretation of The Word. Peace in The Most High Christ.
thenowchurch Well many people reject Paul outright because most don't know how to reconcile Paul. As it says in 2 Peter 3.15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Many many wrestle Paul's scriptures to their own destruction. What is your stance? Do you reject Paul? Or do you use Paul's epistles? Just curious. Also note: You said that I am attempting to reconcile the book of Revelation. But this is actually not the case. What I am attempting to do is show people what the revelation of the MYSTERY is. Which was only given to Paul. Paul's gospel is different than Peter's gospel. Ill list the verses below for you to take a look. Romans 16.25, Eph 3.3-7, 1 Cor 2.6-8, Col 1.25-26, Eph 3.9-10, Gal 1.11-12, Titus 1.2 I'll list one in case you don't look them up: Col 1.25-26 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; *Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:*
Cobrauh. I believe that Paul does indeed reveal a mystery. The mystery of deception. Paul's writings are part of a divine plan to sift the church. As in any deception there must be a good bit of truth, his writings are not only very eloquent and rhetorical, but contain much profound truth. Therefore I use his writings, with discernment. I will look at those verses and get back to you. Does any of them have Paul plainly declaring that he was given a mystery NO ONE else had been given ?
thenowchurch Does any of them have Paul plainly declaring that he was given a mystery NO ONE else had been given? Yes. Only in a King James bible though. Alexandrian bibles attack the mystery of Christ given to Paul almost unanimously. In fact, had the mystery given only to Paul been revealed before Paul. Christ would NOT have been crucified. Let that sink in. 1 Cor 2.6-8 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: *But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.* Also note that Paul was given revelations throughout his apostleship. Everything from Romans-Philemon is a mystery. 2 Cor 2.11 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
thenowchurch Also, if you want to watch a video on YT about it, and there are many, here is one that's pretty good and short. The Mystery Doctrine - Pastor Richard Jordan!! or this one which might be better The Mystery Revealed to the Apostle Paul - Christ In You!! search for that
No, but I will say that God is not bound by man's rules of logic. God's ways are not our ways, nor are His thought our thoughts. But as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are His ways higher than our ways and His thoughts than our thoughts. It's in Isaiah-look it up.
Same kind of language as when Paul said, "my gospel". Be careful to evaluate the object of your statements, and make sure your comments are coming from a heart of Christ's love and are intended to edify or build up the church.
The defense appears to be: assume from the get go that you are right and everyone else is wrong. An interesting tactic which anyone of any belief could successfully adopt. Doesn't seem to leave much room for discussion or an honest exchange of ideas, but apparently that's the point , so.... well done?
Jeff, I enjoy what you do and I thank you, however... You need to stop promoting the Devil's heliocentrism. You will be held accountable on the Day of Judgment if you continue to deny God's Word and continue to teach others a lie. Thank you Jeff.
Yes this guy has figured out that most people live in a bubble. Also that Christians (most) haven't even heard the words apologetics or epistemology. His way of defending his faith is being nice. Great strategy and horrible strategy simultaneously. Best way to make 💰!
Your "ultimate authority" The Bible, is full of mistranslations and inconsistencies. That is why there are thousands of denominations with various degrees of disagreement. One can only make sure that one is fully sincere, while using common sense and basic rationality.
What would you have him be? An Arminian? How about you stop following a man and get back to the basics of following Jesus? 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Corinthians 1:12
I have been watching the videos of Apologia for a year now and they have helped me temendously......God bless this ministry and Glory be to God!!!
Apologia Studios .... can you all please show me how the Bible justifies the laws of logic?
Praise God that Jeff Durbin and Dr. James White came to Australia, we need the Gospel here.
Biblical Christianity where about in Australia was he? and when was he here
Please watch the video on youtube called:
Documentary: Protestantism's Big Justification Lie
uploader is vaticancatholic
The documentary, among many other things, explains, examines, and refutes the historic Protestant teaching on Justification (and Forensic Justification) by exposing a fatal flaw at its core. It reveals a devastating new argument and disproves the Protestant position by using the words of the Protestants themselves. It shows that the key salvation doctrine of the Protestant ‘Reformation’ is fundamentally contradictory. It thus serves to refute and expose the entire Protestant 'Reformation'. Among many other things, this documentary discusses, refutes, and exposes the views of prominent Protestants, including John MacArthur, James White, John Piper, R.C. Sproul, Michael Kruger, Steven Anderson, Charles Stanley, and numerous others. It also covers water baptism, faith alone, whether the justified can fall away, and much more. It’s essential for everyone to see this video. It’s especially relevant to anyone interested in the true teaching of the Gospel, the Bible’s teaching on salvation, apologetics, or Catholic vs. Protestant issues. This video contains many extremely interesting and revealing video clips.
+newygreek They went to Brisbane then went to Sydney, which was nice of them, praise God that they came and taught sound doctrine.
Biblical Christianity What ‘Bible’ do you read? The actual Bible explicitly and directly teaches that Baptism saves.
1 Peter 3:20-21- "...when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was being built: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water. Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saves you also..."
Thanks +Biblical Christianity . I wish I knew....Stanmore - shoot. Ahh well. NExt time.
Love, love, love the message of this sermon. It's so helpful. Thank you.
Naughty Apologia. Publishing amazing talks at quarter to midnight UK time.... now I feel a strong temptation to stay up another 55 minutes when I should really be in bed!!!!
God bless your ministries, red door, church planting etc etc. God bless the ninja! :)
Apologia Studios .... can you all please show me how the Bible justifies the laws of logic?
Lol
Michael Peele what do you mean by laws of logic
You are a blessing, man! God bless you!
Very encouraging and thought provoking!
Genius. Good preaching. I really struggled with the scripture or tradition paradox for quite some time. It's an amazing "duh" moment when you realize God created both and is the ultimate authority.
Awesome video God bless you!!😀 I love the message!😊
God bless you!
One day I want a beard as ginger as Jeff's
Keep fighting. You never know how much good you did until a dozen new converts arrive at your door.
APOLOGIA!!!AHHHH I LOVE YOU GUYS! thank you for all of your hard work and sacrifice!
lets vote who here would LOVE to see Jeff Durbin debate Joe Rogan on the existence of God? hmmm maybe not a bad idea guys!!
sorry not to give in to secular society and even entertain the idea but i feel that would be powerful!
Weclome down under Jeff! What a difficult crowd to humour or work with! Must be the presby haha. Thank God for Jeff Durbin's gentle boldness!
Amen Jeff!!!!
Jesus loves you!!!
Preach the Gospel, when necessary use words- is true. It's calls us to acknowledge that God is love, and one of the best ways to show others Him is to live that love.
Audra McMahon no. You’re off.
how long are you here for Jeff?
Hey guys is Jeff coming to New Zealand??
I find myself listening to Apologia a lot lately
Is there anyway to meet Jeff? Will he be at any Mormon Temples? Or anything like that, I would love to meet him.
Please think of your friendly neighbor to the north in your travels :)
(Canada)
Okay, I’m not lusting after Jeff, but I hope and pray for a husband as bold and biblically-accurate (an epic beard would be nice haha). I’ve learned so much, thank you!
may i ask you a question about the bible sir?
David Vines did you ever get to ask that question?
If Jesus was talking to you would you be apologetic or would you follow his teaching and stand with him regardless of your apologetic stand of his word? Either you stand on his terms or you apologize for his terms. Don't apologize for jesus be jesus and make it happen.
Australiaaaa, yes!
ROMANS 5/ ROMANS 1/ PSALM 2/ ISAIAH 9 6-7/ ACTS/ 1PETER3-15/ 1JOHN14 6/ THESE ARE MENTIONED, LOOK THEM UP FIRST, HE GOES FAST. DUET 29 29 GOOD ONE!
Sad thing is...most of Christianity are stuck in the wrong books of their bibles. Their pastors keep them in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and the saints aren't being taught the revelation of the mystery given to Paul. Staying in books of your bible that aren't even written to the body of Christ is the issue in the church. There is no other issue than that. All problems stem from this fact. Read the books written to you, Romans-Philemon, and learn what the revelation of the mystery is. And only use a KJB.
Cobrauh.
Are you into considering very different viewpoints ?
My view is very, very different.
The Body and Bride of Christ is The Ecclesia( The Called Out, the Church) and is Israel; Spiritual Israel.
Physical Israel and the nation of Israel have no special place in the economy of God, except that, like all other nations, He saves some of the nation's souls, such as the Messianic Jews.
All of the Bible is profitable for believers, once it is read in context.
From the context, it is clear to me that Paul's writings are not of the same level of inspiration as most of the rest of the Bible .
I understand that your view seeks to reconcile the confusing and contradictory prophecies of The Book of Revelations, by creating two different classes. The Body(Christians) and The Bride (Physical Israel).
For me, those difficulties do not arise, since I see that much of Revelations is
metaphorical and not literal.
The writings of Emanuel Swedenborg explain this deeper interpretation of The Word.
Peace in The Most High Christ.
thenowchurch Well many people reject Paul outright because most don't know how to reconcile Paul. As it says in 2 Peter 3.15
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Many many wrestle Paul's scriptures to their own destruction. What is your stance? Do you reject Paul? Or do you use Paul's epistles? Just curious.
Also note: You said that I am attempting to reconcile the book of Revelation. But this is actually not the case. What I am attempting to do is show people what the revelation of the MYSTERY is. Which was only given to Paul. Paul's gospel is different than Peter's gospel. Ill list the verses below for you to take a look.
Romans 16.25, Eph 3.3-7, 1 Cor 2.6-8, Col 1.25-26, Eph 3.9-10, Gal 1.11-12, Titus 1.2
I'll list one in case you don't look them up:
Col 1.25-26
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; *Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:*
Cobrauh.
I believe that Paul does indeed reveal a mystery.
The mystery of deception.
Paul's writings are part of a divine plan to sift the church.
As in any deception there must be a good bit of truth, his writings are not only very eloquent and rhetorical, but contain much profound truth.
Therefore I use his writings, with discernment.
I will look at those verses and get back to you.
Does any of them have Paul plainly declaring that he was given a mystery NO ONE else had been given ?
thenowchurch Does any of them have Paul plainly declaring that he was given a mystery NO ONE else had been given?
Yes. Only in a King James bible though. Alexandrian bibles attack the mystery of Christ given to Paul almost unanimously.
In fact, had the mystery given only to Paul been revealed before Paul. Christ would NOT have been crucified. Let that sink in.
1 Cor 2.6-8
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: *But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.*
Also note that Paul was given revelations throughout his apostleship. Everything from Romans-Philemon is a mystery.
2 Cor 2.11
It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
thenowchurch Also, if you want to watch a video on YT about it, and there are many, here is one that's pretty good and short.
The Mystery Doctrine - Pastor Richard Jordan!!
or this one which might be better
The Mystery Revealed to the Apostle Paul - Christ In You!!
search for that
Cam you explain how the laws of logic come from the Bible?
No, but I will say that God is not bound by man's rules of logic. God's ways are not our ways, nor are His thought our thoughts. But as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are His ways higher than our ways and His thoughts than our thoughts. It's in Isaiah-look it up.
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Jeff says "my church" "my people"
Same kind of language as when Paul said, "my gospel". Be careful to evaluate the object of your statements, and make sure your comments are coming from a heart of Christ's love and are intended to edify or build up the church.
The defense appears to be: assume from the get go that you are right and everyone else is wrong.
An interesting tactic which anyone of any belief could successfully adopt. Doesn't seem to leave much room for discussion or an honest exchange of ideas, but apparently that's the point , so.... well done?
Jeff, I enjoy what you do and I thank you, however... You need to stop promoting the Devil's heliocentrism. You will be held accountable on the Day of Judgment if you continue to deny God's Word and continue to teach others a lie. Thank you Jeff.
Yes yes. Acknowledge our God's creation. The firmament is the sign of his handiwork.
I watched, but you did not teach anything....sort of a rant.....sort of yelling, but no real tools to back up your message...
So what was all those biblical quotations? Just rants?
Yes this guy has figured out that most people live in a bubble. Also that Christians (most) haven't even heard the words apologetics or epistemology. His way of defending his faith is being nice. Great strategy and horrible strategy simultaneously. Best way to make 💰!
Your "ultimate authority" The Bible, is full of mistranslations and inconsistencies.
That is why there are thousands of denominations with various degrees of disagreement.
One can only make sure that one is fully sincere, while using common sense and basic rationality.
Its. Not mistranslated what is wrong tell me you seem to be so well taught and yet wheres your evidence
He is triune, ya know, the ONE god lolololhahaha
If only he weren't a Calvinist.
What would you have him be? An Arminian? How about you stop following a man and get back to the basics of following Jesus?
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Corinthians 1:12