I have always wanted an MSR tent. I have a bunch of MSR gear from snowshoes to stoves and all have been rock solid. I expect nothing more from this tent. What is your favorite backpacking tent?
thank you @outsidechronicles, as a shoulder season camper this was a really helpful review. After using my old 6lb backpacking tent for the last 25 years, I've finally decided to try something new. My first choice was the Nemo Dragonfly OSMO but that rain fly scares me! So I started looking at the 2022 MSR Hubba Hubba and your video answered all of my questions :)
Glad it helped. I still really like the tent. It’s kept me dry in some heavy rain. I still have not gotten any splinters from the poles. @MyLifeOutdoors just did a wind test and the poles were remarkable. The Nemo Dragonfly is also a great tent. It was my second choice, and still go back and forth. I am very happy with the MSR for all of the reasons in the video.
Almost 8 years with mine hubba hubba and I had to fix some small things! But the support was good, and the tent is AWESOME! I’m a thru hiker I did the GR11 with this tent, i it worked perfectly!
That is awesome! Thanks for reinforcing that support was helpful. People have been knocking MSR due to their poor customer service. I am sure it is a case-by-case basis.
One thing a lot of people forget to mention as well on the Hubba hubba is that the walls are near vertical form the floor which is very useful if you are somewhat tall (i am 195cm something like 6"3 in a weird system) and this tent is the only tent i fit in this category.
Yeah, this is why I'm having to sell my Nemo Kunai 2p mountaineering tent, I'm 186cm and hitting the ends getting the end of my bag wet. My MSR Hubba Hubba I don't really have this issue.
I just picked up this tent (1P version) on Amazon for ~$250--very much based on your positive review and what I knew about MSR. I agree, it's a really nice tent. It's going to be mainly used for bikepacking for me, but can also see myself using it for backpacking and even car camping. I had been leaning toward the new Durston X-Dome, but didn't want to wait until April for it. Also, I'm hearing some negative things about the Easton poles for that one. Thanks for the thorough review, even a year later 🙂
You can easily set up the outer first when you have the footprint :) With the new footprints from MSR you have tie the ropes at each corner so you get a little hole for the poles. Set up the poles and then just put the outer over. It's around 1.2kg that way. (msr says .97)
When I was hiking the AT in 1999, MSR was what all the pros had for tents and stoves and some water pumps I think to. One little MSR stove fed 9 of us for a week +
Great review. I've gone for the Freelite 2P as I live in New Zealand and I'm only a 3 season hiker. Very happy with my purchase. Seems most people these days go for the tents that require hiking poles to set up. And these people often don't use the 2 poles which means it's basically the same weight. Just prefer tents with poles personality.
Great to hear! The Freelite was one of my top options, it had many of the same pluses as the Hubba Hubba…and lighter. I just did not choose it b/c of the large cutout like the Tigerwall and Dragonfly. It was a close second! Thanks for the comment, see you outside!
I'm also a Kiwi tramper and I occasionally do winter tramps. I was super blessed to win first prize in a Wilderness Magazine subscriber competition. Prize was the MSR hubba hubba 2 tent plus MSR pocket rocket deluxe stove! 😮😅 I'd love to have the one person tent, however the extra room will be great on long tramps. 😊
You can easily do a fly only pitch by sticking the pole ends into the ground, if it is soft enough. Then just attach your rain fly and clip in the inner tent. Done it a few times in the highlands with considerable downpour and everything was dry inside
Agree! People say you need the groundsheet to set up outer first, which you don’t. You can just fit the outer to the pole system and peg one end then the other.
UK owner here, very satisfied user. Predominantly 3 season use with the odd winter trip. I had no issues using in winter and would use more if I didn't have a hot tent setup for that log fire comfort 😉 solid tent 👍
I recently purchased a Nemo Hornet OSMO 2p... I'm just over 6'-2" When lay inside, im touching on both sides. I also go winter backpacking in snow storm, my previous MSR tent was great. I think I'll be returning the Nemo for MSR. Your input help reinforced my decision. I'm going on a 25 mile 3 day, 2 night through hike next weekend. We shall see how the Nemo tent does.
The Nemo Dragonfly was second choice, it looks like it is 1” longer at 88” compared to 87” of the Hornet. The MSR is shorter at 84”. You will get more diagonal space in the MSR w/o the taper, but still might be small for your height. I am 6’1” for reference.
@xSirBaconx ... I posted videos on both trips... I posted a video on why the Nemo is getting returned, the MSR tent was on sale and got back almost $50. The Nemo was returned after it's first trip.
I know this is old, but great review! Ive had the first two generations of HHs and loved them. The HH2 is very cheap now that the LT is out. Do you have any idea if I can use my NX aluminum poles on this model, if i end up disliking the Syclone poles?
I do not see why not. I believe the ends of the poles are the same and I have to imagine the poles are the same lengths. If you want to send me an email, I can send you pics of the connections and pole tips with measurements for you to compare. mike@outsidechronicles.com
Check out the 2024 MSR Hubba Hubba Bikepacking tent. That is a new model with sort poles designed for cycling trips. I ditched the heavy bag and replaced it with a 20 gram Sea to Summit dry bag. It is lovely.
It's fine if you don't go somewhere hot and if you don't intend to use it for a long time. Its material will degrade over time, becoming sticky and will peel off, making it unusable.
I can't find this tent ir the MSR homepage, they have only hubba hubba NX, and no regular hubba hubba (which you said is old version), is this the same tent?
@@OutsideChronicles no, I am in EU. And meanwhile i figured out that EU and USA versions of the hubba tents differ. In colours and in quality. USA is better, need to find the way how to get it :)
@@bigt587waiting for blackfriday so that i could order it from USA :) didnt find it in EU. It is way better in Usa as i found out. Poles and seems are better.
The poles will bounce off your face when it is blowing and hit you right back time after time In a Norwegian winter trip ! Even msr acsess 3 was horrible ending upp smacking you In the head when it was blowing 15m/s . 😅😅😢
I have a question. I like a bit more space in my tents. Is the 2 person better or is the one person tent big enough?. And if the 2 person tent is better isnt it to heavy for me to carry?. And i heard that the tent has a bit of condensation problem going on, is this true? If so, is it bad?
That is a tough question to answer. I like the 2p even for solo trips. I usually say: 1p is tight, 2p is good for 1 persons, 3p is good for 2 people, etc. I would drop down to a 1p tent if it had sizable vestibules and I wanted to travel ultralight. I have been looking as the Durston X-Mid 1p for that use case. If you get a good 2p tent, there is not that much difference in weight. For example the Hubba Hubba 1p vs. 2p is 2lbs 7oz vs 3lbs 4oz. A 13oz difference is a difference, but I would rather have the space.
Durston 2P Pro is 1lb 5oz (21oz) vs MSR's 3lbs 2oz. Trekking-pole vs Freestanding, but you called for the comparison (then didn't make the comparison), not I. This author will go with Durston's almost 2lbs weight savings every time.
I honestly do not know. The version I have is seam sealed, which is newer than the NX. There was a time the NX used a new stitching that was not sealed and then leaked. I believe MSR started taping the NX. The NX was mainly sold not in US. Let me know what you find out.
Just to add balance from my own experience I had great customer service. I reported a zip tooth was catching on my Elixir 2 making it awkward & with no fuss & pretty quickly they replaced the inner under warranty.
I’ve not had reason to go back to MSR with a problem, but my impression is that they have a reputation for excellent after sales service. Anyone can put a negative comment out there - can you qualify your comment?
Nonsense. I got this tent three days ago and think I may have got a splinter. It took MSR less than a day to ship out a new updated set of poles for free.
I’ve been in several downpours with this tent and stayed dry. The previous version had issues with stitch waterproofing (called NX). This version and all previous versions are rock solid. The NX was a mistake by MSR.
If anyone has this tent and is getting splinters from the poles I have a video on how to remedy this: ruclips.net/video/G5dh8XhPRAM/видео.html MSR also had a recall on some of the poles in this tent. If you have an issue you can reach out to them about this. MSR has a two-year warranty.
I would still say the tent poles are the weak point on this tent. I had the tent poles fail on me after only 9 months of use. If I could give any advice to people, do not buy this tent. It’s not worth the price tag
Just the opposite, they are amazingly durable. Still no splinters! Check out this video to see the poles in wind: ruclips.net/video/9CcW6MwSWqY/видео.htmlsi=51tc9kTP3UhytupJ
You buy this tent if you want a shower included. Even if you apply a product to stop the rain from getting inside, it does not work. Furthermore, MSR does not answer to your request. I tought MSR was a great company now I think the opposite. So I put my MSR tent in the garbage even if it was almost new since being wet every time it rains is really not what I was looking for!
I was looking at this tent and wondering about whether a fly first option could be bodged with their ground sheet. This guy seems to have figured it out with a home made alternative to minimise weight ruclips.net/video/PxpmDjB20tQ/видео.html but was an older version of the tent.
It’s not inexpensive, but all of the tents in this class are $300-$500. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for with backpacking gear. I would prefer it comes with a hot tub!
@@OutsideChronicles I am just a poor hiker unable to afford you young people's expensive tastes. Plus the fact that people don't pay me to backpack nor do I receive free gear as do many RUclipsrs to review. I will stick with my poor cheap gear.
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I have always wanted an MSR tent. I have a bunch of MSR gear from snowshoes to stoves and all have been rock solid. I expect nothing more from this tent. What is your favorite backpacking tent?
thank you @outsidechronicles, as a shoulder season camper this was a really helpful review. After using my old 6lb backpacking tent for the last 25 years, I've finally decided to try something new. My first choice was the Nemo Dragonfly OSMO but that rain fly scares me! So I started looking at the 2022 MSR Hubba Hubba and your video answered all of my questions :)
Glad it helped. I still really like the tent. It’s kept me dry in some heavy rain. I still have not gotten any splinters from the poles. @MyLifeOutdoors just did a wind test and the poles were remarkable. The Nemo Dragonfly is also a great tent. It was my second choice, and still go back and forth. I am very happy with the MSR for all of the reasons in the video.
Almost 8 years with mine hubba hubba and I had to fix some small things! But the support was good, and the tent is AWESOME! I’m a thru hiker I did the GR11 with this tent, i it worked perfectly!
That is awesome! Thanks for reinforcing that support was helpful. People have been knocking MSR due to their poor customer service. I am sure it is a case-by-case basis.
the older versions were much better. The 2023 is a total disater!
One thing a lot of people forget to mention as well on the Hubba hubba is that the walls are near vertical form the floor which is very useful if you are somewhat tall (i am 195cm something like 6"3 in a weird system) and this tent is the only tent i fit in this category.
Great point!
Yeah, this is why I'm having to sell my Nemo Kunai 2p mountaineering tent, I'm 186cm and hitting the ends getting the end of my bag wet. My MSR Hubba Hubba I don't really have this issue.
The Hubba Hubba has been a workhorse for me for 17 years.
I can't imagine how bad it must look after 17 years. I had to throw away mine after 5 years.
I just picked up this tent (1P version) on Amazon for ~$250--very much based on your positive review and what I knew about MSR. I agree, it's a really nice tent. It's going to be mainly used for bikepacking for me, but can also see myself using it for backpacking and even car camping. I had been leaning toward the new Durston X-Dome, but didn't want to wait until April for it. Also, I'm hearing some negative things about the Easton poles for that one.
Thanks for the thorough review, even a year later 🙂
Just bought one today based on your awesome review. Thanks
Cool, I love my tent. Since posting this video, I spent two consecutive nights in downpours in the Adirondacks. I stayed very dry and comfortable!
You can easily set up the outer first when you have the footprint :) With the new footprints from MSR you have tie the ropes at each corner so you get a little hole for the poles. Set up the poles and then just put the outer over. It's around 1.2kg that way. (msr says .97)
Good suggestions!
When I was hiking the AT in 1999, MSR was what all the pros had for tents and stoves and some water pumps I think to. One little MSR stove fed 9 of us for a week +
Great review. I've gone for the Freelite 2P as I live in New Zealand and I'm only a 3 season hiker. Very happy with my purchase. Seems most people these days go for the tents that require hiking poles to set up. And these people often don't use the 2 poles which means it's basically the same weight. Just prefer tents with poles personality.
Great to hear! The Freelite was one of my top options, it had many of the same pluses as the Hubba Hubba…and lighter. I just did not choose it b/c of the large cutout like the Tigerwall and Dragonfly. It was a close second! Thanks for the comment, see you outside!
I'm also a Kiwi tramper and I occasionally do winter tramps.
I was super blessed to win first prize in a Wilderness Magazine subscriber competition.
Prize was the MSR hubba hubba 2 tent plus MSR pocket rocket deluxe stove! 😮😅
I'd love to have the one person tent, however the extra room will be great on long tramps. 😊
If you like this classic look, you might as well go for the 3fulgear Floating Cloud 2, which is exactly the same, with the same workmanship.
bought my hubba back in 2015 and it has performed excellent in a range of various conditions and environments. Still does.
Great to hear!
You can easily do a fly only pitch by sticking the pole ends into the ground, if it is soft enough. Then just attach your rain fly and clip in the inner tent. Done it a few times in the highlands with considerable downpour and everything was dry inside
Makes sense! I have a prototype with some Zing-it and plastic washers in the works.
please post your option when you can@@OutsideChronicles
@@Trail_Heads Will do, I am planning to show it in a video.
Agree! People say you need the groundsheet to set up outer first, which you don’t. You can just fit the outer to the pole system and peg one end then the other.
Excellent video. I have to agree with you, that sounds pretty solid.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching! It has been a solid tent for me. It might also be the case of new vs. tried and true. See you outside!
Great review, one of the better I have seen. Thanks!
Wow, thanks!
Excellent and detailed review. Thanks!
Thank you! See you outside!
UK owner here, very satisfied user. Predominantly 3 season use with the odd winter trip. I had no issues using in winter and would use more if I didn't have a hot tent setup for that log fire comfort 😉 solid tent 👍
Great to hear! I still love the Hubba Hubba even more now that I have gotten more use out of it. It’s kept me dry in some pretty good downpours.
How do you find it stands up in wind? Also a UK camper 🇬🇧
I recently purchased a Nemo Hornet OSMO 2p... I'm just over 6'-2"
When lay inside, im touching on both sides. I also go winter backpacking in snow storm, my previous MSR tent was great. I think I'll be returning the Nemo for MSR. Your input help reinforced my decision. I'm going on a 25 mile 3 day, 2 night through hike next weekend. We shall see how the Nemo tent does.
The Nemo Dragonfly was second choice, it looks like it is 1” longer at 88” compared to 87” of the Hornet. The MSR is shorter at 84”. You will get more diagonal space in the MSR w/o the taper, but still might be small for your height. I am 6’1” for reference.
How did your trip go? I’ve heard those Nemo OSMO tents tear super easily and Nemo doesn’t warranty them due to “the nature of the thin material”.
@xSirBaconx ... I posted videos on both trips... I posted a video on why the Nemo is getting returned, the MSR tent was on sale and got back almost $50. The Nemo was returned after it's first trip.
@@redwhiteblue7831 thank you! I’ve heard some nightmare stories about the hornet.
I have a MSR Hubba Hubba II , I purchased it 2013 ish , I love I've looked to buy another tent but NO Ill keep it .
Can’t go wrong there, see you outside!
I know this is old, but great review! Ive had the first two generations of HHs and loved them. The HH2 is very cheap now that the LT is out. Do you have any idea if I can use my NX aluminum poles on this model, if i end up disliking the Syclone poles?
I do not see why not. I believe the ends of the poles are the same and I have to imagine the poles are the same lengths. If you want to send me an email, I can send you pics of the connections and pole tips with measurements for you to compare. mike@outsidechronicles.com
Nemo Dagger OSMO all the way!
Can’t find the 2022 model anywhere. Only NX models available in Europe.
I have heard that from other commenters. I am surprised they are still selling the NX. Sorry!
Nice review.
Currently theres no way you can buy this new version of the tent in europe. Do you know when msr will bring it over here?
Sorry, I have heard that only the NXT version is available and I do not have any inside information.
Check out the 2024 MSR Hubba Hubba Bikepacking tent. That is a new model with sort poles designed for cycling trips. I ditched the heavy bag and replaced it with a 20 gram Sea to Summit dry bag. It is lovely.
thx for all this good information
My pleasure! See you outside!
It's fine if you don't go somewhere hot and if you don't intend to use it for a long time. Its material will degrade over time, becoming sticky and will peel off, making it unusable.
Hey what inflatable sleeping pad are you using in it/recommend? Thanks !
I can't find this tent ir the MSR homepage, they have only hubba hubba NX, and no regular hubba hubba (which you said is old version), is this the same tent?
Are you in the US? Here is the direct link www.msrgear.com/tents/backpacking-tents/hubba-hubba-2-person-backpacking-tent/11506.html
@@OutsideChronicles no, I am in EU. And meanwhile i figured out that EU and USA versions of the hubba tents differ. In colours and in quality. USA is better, need to find the way how to get it :)
@@fresh12121212 Makes sense, the NX was only in EU, I think. That was the version they did not tape the seems. Good luck on your quest!
Did you find a way? I am also in EU. The link takes me to NX2… is it really worse?
@@bigt587waiting for blackfriday so that i could order it from USA :) didnt find it in EU. It is way better in Usa as i found out. Poles and seems are better.
Why in Europe they have NX version?
Curious why you didnt compare it to the Nemo OSMO Dagger which is very similar design?
It was in the video. It’s a great tent but almost a pound heavier. It was actually one of my top 3 choices.
1lb is next to nothing
What about space for primus? Looks a bit small in the "working space"
The poles will bounce off your face when it is blowing and hit you right back time after time In a Norwegian winter trip ! Even msr acsess 3 was horrible ending upp smacking you In the head when it was blowing 15m/s . 😅😅😢
Did you have any guy lines setup?
Hilleberg tents for Norwegian winters! 😅
I use some paracord with my ground cloth and do a fly only pitch.
That works, kind of what I ended up doing: ruclips.net/video/5nfJvTCoAOo/видео.htmlsi=kheG8Wlu9oPheLuE
awesome video tysm
I have a question. I like a bit more space in my tents. Is the 2 person better or is the one person tent big enough?. And if the 2 person tent is better isnt it to heavy for me to carry?. And i heard that the tent has a bit of condensation problem going on, is this true? If so, is it bad?
That is a tough question to answer. I like the 2p even for solo trips. I usually say: 1p is tight, 2p is good for 1 persons, 3p is good for 2 people, etc. I would drop down to a 1p tent if it had sizable vestibules and I wanted to travel ultralight. I have been looking as the Durston X-Mid 1p for that use case. If you get a good 2p tent, there is not that much difference in weight. For example the Hubba Hubba 1p vs. 2p is 2lbs 7oz vs 3lbs 4oz. A 13oz difference is a difference, but I would rather have the space.
Is the tent bag good size? In elexir tents bag is way too big.
It is not too big, it fits snugly whether you roll the tent or stuff it in. And it is not too small to make that a stressful task.
Durston 2P Pro is 1lb 5oz (21oz) vs MSR's 3lbs 2oz. Trekking-pole vs Freestanding, but you called for the comparison (then didn't make the comparison), not I. This author will go with Durston's almost 2lbs weight savings every time.
U should go with a Hilleberg like me if use in 4seasons. That tent will struggle in real Winter.
Hillebergs are definitely solid in winter.
Yeah but they’re very heavy.
I’m just after buying the hubba hubba nx today. Just wondering if these tents have to be seam sealed? Many thanks
I honestly do not know. The version I have is seam sealed, which is newer than the NX. There was a time the NX used a new stitching that was not sealed and then leaked. I believe MSR started taping the NX. The NX was mainly sold not in US. Let me know what you find out.
@@OutsideChronicles thanks for the reply. On the description (online where I bought the tent) it does say waterpoof taped seams. Hopefully it’s ok.
I love the design, but it does not seem waterproof enough for trips in South American rain forests :(
I have had it in some pretty strong downpours and have stayed dry. One selling point for me was it was rated highest on weather resistance.
It may be a good tent, but God help you if something happens to it and you have to deal with MSR customer service!
Just to add balance from my own experience I had great customer service. I reported a zip tooth was catching on my Elixir 2 making it awkward & with no fuss & pretty quickly they replaced the inner under warranty.
I’ve not had reason to go back to MSR with a problem, but my impression is that they have a reputation for excellent after sales service. Anyone can put a negative comment out there - can you qualify your comment?
Nonsense. I got this tent three days ago and think I may have got a splinter. It took MSR less than a day to ship out a new updated set of poles for free.
Does 2 of the 25” Big Agnes Rapide SL sleeping pads fit?
Yes it does!
Yeah the reports I heard it does nothing for the rain which is not good for the at
I’ve been in several downpours with this tent and stayed dry. The previous version had issues with stitch waterproofing (called NX). This version and all previous versions are rock solid. The NX was a mistake by MSR.
If anyone has this tent and is getting splinters from the poles I have a video on how to remedy this: ruclips.net/video/G5dh8XhPRAM/видео.html
MSR also had a recall on some of the poles in this tent. If you have an issue you can reach out to them about this.
MSR has a two-year warranty.
Thanks for posting, still no splinters on poles!
Didn't tell the bottom line the price?
The 2P list price is $549. I have seen it on sale for as low as $300 at REI. Right now, lowest is on Amazon for $375:amzn.to/3CW9vJk
It was because it leaked they had a hubba tour tent looked amazing but it leaked
I would still say the tent poles are the weak point on this tent. I had the tent poles fail on me after only 9 months of use. If I could give any advice to people, do not buy this tent. It’s not worth the price tag
The composite poles? What failed?
Poles break ??? Some say there cheap
Just the opposite, they are amazingly durable. Still no splinters! Check out this video to see the poles in wind: ruclips.net/video/9CcW6MwSWqY/видео.htmlsi=51tc9kTP3UhytupJ
Nemo dagger osmo!!!
It was a top choice, but the weight led me to the Hubba Hubba
You buy this tent if you want a shower included. Even if you apply a product to stop the rain from getting inside, it does not work. Furthermore, MSR does not answer to your request. I tought MSR was a great company now I think the opposite. So I put my MSR tent in the garbage even if it was almost new since being wet every time it rains is really not what I was looking for!
Sorry you had a bad experience, was it the NX version that leaked? I have had mine in a pretty good storm and was dry.
Ya MSR tents are just not what they use to be, I've been a Sierra Design guy for 2 years now.
Very sorry, This MSR Hubba Hubba .the internal height is terribly low and only good for extreme short fellow.. Highlly not recommended 👎👎👎💩💩💩🐕🐕🐕
$550 and no ventilation, hot in summer.
It has ventilation, I have been fine in summer.
I was looking at this tent and wondering about whether a fly first option could be bodged with their ground sheet.
This guy seems to have figured it out with a home made alternative to minimise weight ruclips.net/video/PxpmDjB20tQ/видео.html but was an older version of the tent.
Thats a great hack, I am going to give it a try with some Zing-it fixed loops or whoopie slings.
@ $375 I will NOT be buying this tent. I wouldn't care if it set itself up and came with servants.
It’s not inexpensive, but all of the tents in this class are $300-$500. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for with backpacking gear. I would prefer it comes with a hot tub!
@@OutsideChronicles I am just a poor hiker unable to afford you young people's expensive tastes. Plus the fact that people don't pay me to backpack nor do I receive free gear as do many RUclipsrs to review. I will stick with my poor cheap gear.
MSR tents leak.
All these tents are glorified bug shelters! Not one proper tent amongst them...
Which tent would you recommend then
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