i also do try not to forget that Obi-Won not only became The master of form 3, but that was only after he put many years of training into Form 4 under Qui-Gon. Thus giving him the mobility and evasiveness of form 4, combined with the energy conservation and patience to implore it well using form 3 xo
I've listened to a number of the Star wars audiobooks and have to say the section covering Dooku's demise with Anakin and Obi-Wan's deception followed by real attack enhanced the visual of the film so much more, having the inner thoughts and mockery turned suddenly into panic and no chance to reset his perception, being constantly kept off balance with obi fighting him then side stepping and Anakin appearing from behind at startling speed and force... Dooku knew he was done for after their downplaying had run its course and the real challenge was pounded into his face so abruptly. Loved this part of the novelisation
And then the moment Obi Wan rejoins the fight to outflank him Dooku immediately dispatches Anakin before he force chokes and then throws his master away.
Makashi is the perfect lightsaber combat form. Strength isnt such a bof weakness as facing multiple opponents for makashi users. Makashi specifically isnt weak to opponents outpowering them, dooku was old very old at that point, and old people normally suffer from a lack of strength.
Form Two's weakness is just like the weakness of any finesse focused combat style. It can be completely overpowered by something powerful and aggressive. Even a Fencing Master is out of his element against a novice with an Axe and Shield. And Anakin is the proverbial hammer striking the anvil.
being 80-freaking-something years old is definitely a weakness. JS waving your 80 year old arms around probably isn't as easy as waving 20 year old arms around
The real problem is that Dooku practiced pure, distilled Makashi. One's personal fighting method should not be limited to only one style. If you're not constantly collecting, testing, refining, and either integrating or discarding new techniques, you're going to be ill prepared against something.
@LetholdusKaspyr What's funny is that in Labyrinth Of Evil, Dooku actually thinks this when he's training Grievous, but doesn't realize it also applies to him.
@digitaladventurer2142 That's him expanding to cover weaknesses, which is great, but in situations where your whole approach is wrong, you have to have another option. You can spread too thin dabbling in too many styles, but Exar Kun and Cin Dralig illustrated that seven isn't too many if you master them.
@@memine8795 I like both those styles, and the ability to switch between them is great, but they're so opposite in approach that I'm not sure a hybrid approach would work all that well. You would need Niman or Shii-Cho to bridge the gap, I would expect.
Well at the end of the day it depends on who he is fighting because he said in the video that Makashi is a direct counter for fourms 1 and 4 but yet he lost to Yoda who is a fourm 4 practitioner
@@daelinmiller4437 I wouldn't really count the duel on Geonosis as "losing" to Yoda he was stalemating the Jedi Grandmaster while also trying to escape, after dismantling two prominent Jedi knights. Dooku didn't kill Yoda that day but he had his back against a literal wall and not only survived but I'd dare say thrived on it
@@chadflanaganCFC True but before the Fight he was said he was confident in his abilities thinking he was way more powerful than his former master he planned on killing him then he realized that he was too fast to keep up with and Yoda and the hard striking of Ataru Yoda counters every attack dooku throws at him and he escaped by using a Villains war tactic by trying to kill an unconscious Anikan and Obi-Wan to get away he knew he was going to get defeated if he stayed then after thoes events he specifically told grevious to not BOTHER engaging in combat with master Yoda and he told Grevious to pray for his life if he ever encountered Yoda Dooku was completely humbled that day
@@digitaladventurer2142 I absolutely love how you explained this, I was speaking in broad simplistic takes on their stances but you absolutely nailed it on the head, I do think though if it's pure blade work even for Obi-Wan he may still lose, this isn't to discredit Kenobi or to trash talk him, but the best way to get past an ultimate defense is quick, surgical maneuvers that's what Dooku specializes in.
Really great explanation of what happened during this fight always thought this fight was rushed in the movie and I had even heard the actor was doing another picture at the same time so he had a short time span to be in the movie. I mean think of it Dooku had beaten both of them in the last fight so easy it was hard to believe he would be dominated so much in this fight. But now I understand that it was Anakin's power which grew and grew combined with Anakin using Light Saber forms that Dooku had no defense against.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Ysalamir were discovered during the Timothy Zahn prequel novels. Decades after Dooku was killed, much less when Form 2 was created.
Where were the Magna Guards when their lord needed them the most. Why were they accompanying Grievous instead. And why was not Grievous present there ( I know that Palpatine didn't want Anakin to fight Grievous but in that situation Palpatine's word was nothing for Grievous. And I Believe that with him or Magna Guards present there, Anakin would die or at least lost. Good video. I knew these facts before but I am always really sad when I hear them because Dooku is my most favorite force user ):
Why didn't the Magna Guards help Dooku? Because Palpatine didn't want them to. He wanted Anakin to face and kill Dooku (which he did) and then he wanted to leave Obi-wan to die and have Anakin kill Grievous. It's all in the novelization. Palpatine wanted Anakin to fall to the dark side, which means he had to kill Dooku and leave Obi-wan to die as he felt Obi-wan would keep Anakin from falling. Then he wanted Anakin to kill Grievous so that the Republic would see Anakin as the ultimate hero who ended the Clone Wars which would further supplant Palpatine as the leader when he takes Anakin under his wing as a Sith and they rule. It would bring the people to his side. It was never Palpatine's plan to keep Dooku alive. He was a tool and even Dooku realizes this just before his death.
I feel like energy conservation was a problem too because dooku had a hard time with kenobi as well due to kenobi’s solid defense and brilliant use of controlled stamina allowing him perfectly battle dooku without tiring and dooku was way past his prime making his body unable to keep up with the movements that dooku could do with ease before dooku should have practiced form 3 to make up for his aging body
i wonder how this holds up when thinking about the clone wars... i mean anakin and docu fought all the time, while anakin changed and developed his form. If hes actually suprised in revenge of the sith, he may have another issue :D. Probably more memory related....
The clone wars didn't get all the continuity correct, at the time of the films they didn't anticipate the deeper dive into the length of the war and what confrontations would occur, in that respect the cartoons didn't help the bigger narrative by adding in contradictions and plot holes, simultaneously they did give a better look into the progressive fall and rise of key people and groups
That's because the Clone Wars was a spinoff that wasn't supposed to be. The true Clone Wars is the 2003 Clone Wars which were short animations to showcase the war and Anakin and Obi-wan transforming from movie 2 to 3. The success of the animations is what led to the new Clone Wars we have now but they came out after Episode 3. Thus it's not really canon even if they say it is as in between Attack and Revenge Dooku and Anakin never fought.
This why Dooku’s ideal of learning and comiting to one lightsaber form was in the long run a bad idea, he should have learned and mastered form 3, 4 or 5 along with form 2. The third may have given him more time to ware Skywalker down, the four or fifth would give more weight and physical power in his attacks
Perhaps, but then again, Anakin would probably have still overwhelmed him. He was just too powerful in his prime. Additionally, it was specifically Dooku's incredible mastery of Form II which made him such a valuable weapon against the Jedi. If he had devoted some of that energy elsewhere, he probably wouldn't be as effective in blade-to-blade combat.
He'd likely already mastered the other forms but stubbornly stuck to form 2. I think a mastery of all 7 forms is a basic requirement for being a top tier dualist. After all if you are to defeat other forms, you need a deep understanding of those forms to undermine and thwart them. I mean Yoda, Mace, Sidious and Dooku himself all mastered the 7 forms, but each had a preferred form, Yoda perfected form 4 to an insane degree, Mace created Vapaad, Dooku perfected form 2 and Sidious could swap between forms like flowing water but still preferred form 7 due to it complimenting his natural ferocity. Dooku's main issue is he didn't want to taint his precious form 2 by borrowing from other forms. Though you do make a solid point that he should've taken time to develop some backup forms. Although I think he was a little too old to be using form 5. Form 3 would've been a good backup strategy, even if it would've only delayed the inevitable, well that and Anakin is used to facing form 3 because he spars with Obi-Wan.
Dooku reminds me of the German dualists of old. Utter precision but low power. Anakin fought much like a master of Bushido. Playing KOTOR 2 presently & using a Anakin build but I incorporate zero light side, using only Dark Side & Universal Force powers. I also dual wield with a light sabre & vibro blade. Would love to go against the Count in the game.
Dooku should of took Seresu as seriously as he took Makashi if he was THEE master of both of those forms then I am sure he would be a lower tier nine duelist rather then a high tier eight one that is tied with Windu yeah.
@@kwametodd6094It never said what level of eight Dooku was in by ROTS but based on Yodas statements and him having a good grasp on both Dookus And Maces dueling abilities with a lightsaber he saw both Dooku And Mace as equals with a blade with Yoda himself being a little higher then them that is why I said they were equals with a Saber while with the force Dooku is slightly above Windu with both potential and current power levelers after all one of the reasons Yoda took Dooku as a one on one apprentice which he rarely did was because he saw Dookus strength in the force to be enigmatic even for himself to comprehend which means Dookus potential must of been a little below Yodas something that Yoda did not sense with Windu so that must mean Windus is a little below Dookers and Plo Koons a bit lower then Maces and Yaddles a bit lower then Plo Koons etc yeah.
@matthewmann8969 And Yoda also stated that at first he didn't believe any Jedi other than himself could defeat Dooku,but as the war continued, he believed only Mace could defeat him on neutral ground. Something that even Dooku seemed to believe bc they clashed on some planet and Dooku acknowledged that Windu can kill him but that he wouldn't do it that day before having 2 or 3 magnaguards distract him. As far as the force I don't think Dooku comes close to Sidious and if Windu can withstand his power,even for a little while, I think the force advantage is minimal
@@kwametodd6094Yodas statements about him being the only one to beat Dooku was in ATOC Era as well as TPM Era then around The Clone Wars a few months before ROTS Yoda while battling Dooku on Vjun said that perhaps Yoda would be Dookus only superior with the blade although only by a tiny bit with Mace perhaps being Dookus only equal with a Saber on a even plain plus when Mace fought Sidious it was with three other skilled Jedi Masters with him not by himself yet even then Mace was on his back foot so had the fight been just one on one from the get go against Sids he would of lost especially with force powers Sidious potential was slightly who's a little higher then Yodas who's in turns is a bit upper then Dookus who's potency is a mini bitter higher then Maces would be able to eventually beat Mace with a handful of difficulty. Plus that fight Mace had with Dooku near the end of the Clone Wars notice how Mace was determined to kill Dooku then and there and used a force wave that knocked The Magnaguards back while Dooku was able to withstand that wave without even flinching plus Dooku was the one pushing Mace towards the cliff even before the magnaguards arrived and besides had Dooku stayed Anakin, Obi Wan, And there clone forces would of also arrived and Dooku would of been outgunned he did not leave because of just Mace And Dooku used the magnaguards got Mace and knocked on down the steep hill Dooku never said Mace would be able to defeat him or not all he knew was that that day was not there. Plus Dooku unlike most darksiders does not use the darkside that heavily so Maces haxes of Full On Vaapad And Shatterpoint would be of little to no use. I am not saying Dookus victory over Mace in a one on one fight duel to the death would be easy nor moderate it would be difficult but due to Dookus slight superiority with the force I could see him winning and Maces physical abilities while impressive are not Anakin level while unarmed combat Mace is no Maul yeah.
@matthewmann8969 Yet Windu beat Sidious one on one. That was confirmed by GL and was made fairly clear by the movie. We can disagree on the outcome of a Mace vs Dooku,but to imply that Windu wasn't more powerful than Skywalker is a bit disingenuous. The 2 MOST Powerful Jedi in the order at the time of ROTS were Yoda and Windu. That's been confirmed by multiple sources, people for some reason seem to think Anakin had already surpassed everyone and that's not accurate
Sadly, I think I just like to be dismissive of Anakin, and Vader; their central spot to everything often makes me feel like they can get overhyped by fan appreciation, but in this case, I'm wondering if any of that fight simply had to do with Dooku's own orders, or assumptions? Tyrannus knew that he wasn't allowed to kill Anakin, as Sidious had plans for the boy, and might easily have believed that Anakin wouldn't be willing to kill him, and that Palpatine still had a place for him, after the war, so the showman had to put on a bit of a show, knowing he wasn't really allowed to win. I do know that Skywalker is powerful, and capable, but I do wonder if Dooku was really trying? He's arrogant, sure, but he didn't even try to use the Force offensively; push Anakin away, to make some distance, or stun him with Force Lightning, and I wonder how much of that was simply him following his master's orders, while he sat in the same room, and how much was actually realizing that such efforts wouldn't work on the Chosen One? He tossed Kenobi, with much more experience, and pinned him down, unconscious, with debris, so why not Sith Lord Anakin, instead of just relying on his saber skill, apart from his hubris?
The shameful thing is we knew nothing of these forms just from the movies. Talk about lightsaber forms didn't make it till Dave Filoni's Clone Wars and Rebel Series'. It was in the novels but not in live action or animated works. It makes more sense of the movies cause for the casual observer, we had no idea what was different between 2 and 3 apart from the knowledge his skill increased.
Based on the information in this video I’m fully convinced that Darth Maul from the Phantom Menace would wear Dooku down in a similar fashion to how Anakin did
I wonder how Dooku would’ve felt about getting cybernetics if he managed to escape. He detested Grevious for being a cyborg an unholy creation in his eyes. I’d imagine he’d be at odds with himself due to his pride as a duelist funnily enough I imagine his Makashi would greatly benefit the from enhanced strength. Sidenote I wonder how obi wan and dooku would’ve benefited from cross training form 2 and 3.
I think his greatest weakness was being a 75 yr old man fighting a 25-30 yr old man. Yes the force is the equal in power for you across your lifetime but being older he isn't as fast or strong as in his youth with less stamina meaning it takes more force power to uphold what you once had. I think it would be interesting to see a Dooku in his prime against Anakin and see how it matches up. Would he have the natural strength, stamina, and speed to keep up and win eventually or lose the same way?
I think he would’ve been deadly with an off hand blaster but he was too arrogant for that but if Jedi survivor has shown me anything form 2 goes good with a blaster in historic sword styles, I think some soldiers had an offhand Flintlock pistol
I agree.Makashi is great but footwork and power are weak. Dooku was a masterpiece lightsaber.You mentioned this before. I like this breakdowns,analysis of lightsaber styles,what characters think. May the Force be with you too.Have a great day too😊
Count Dooku completes Anakin Skywalker's training as he intended to do what Obi-Wan Kenobi couldn't do, what Grand Master Yoda would not do" Dooku instructs Anakin in "ANGER" !! "THIS" IS Dooku's moment of GLORY ! DOOKU IS THE PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION OF VALOR, and he's prepared to become M.I.A." as a Sith Lord should, -when faced-down by his assassins !! "THIS" IS how The Dark Side Of The Force is TRULY HONORED !!🌈🤓
How do we know what Dookus thoughts right before his freaking head is cut off are? Did he pause fine and write in his journal? What is this nonsense? Lol
I think you are focusing too much on Lightsaber forms and not enough on the differences in the Duelists. Dooku is OLD, Anakin is Young. Dooku is Strong in the Force but Anakin is stronger. If you really want to argue that Makashi is so weak against Kinectally powerful forms like Djem So, then I think you should evaluate more equal duelists. My view: Assuming Two Duelists, same age, same physical and force abilities. One skilled in Makashi Second equally skilled in Djem So I think Makashi takes the win.
Anakin was also in his prime, while Dooku was a few decades past his prime. If Dooku was also in his prime, he may have been able to win against Anakin
while most people say dooku is weaker , they disregard that in order to be a sith lord of the bane lineage. You must be able to surpass your master and please keep in mind that Darth Bane was strong enough to move a planet out of it's orbit. Therefore Sidious has the strength of atleast 30 sith lords who are all twice as strong as their master. This means Anakin is Amazing , and proves that in the Force he was more stronger than Count Dooku! Anakin has not become Darth Vader yet.. For the way of the Sith is power , it is either kill or be killed!!!
Being strong enough to surpass your master can mean many things. Sidious is clearly stated to be the strongest of them all.....yet he cheapshotted his drunk/passed out master. When Zannah beat Bane, she was better with sith sorcery, and it can be argued that she had been manipulating him for a while.....frustrating him by NOT trying to kill him.
Only reason dooku can be defeated is becouse writing of anakin, in real scenario of fencing he win 10 of 10times presicly as expert calculated fencer (with just one sfiwt strife and thrust) eaven the master of form 2 in gallaxy for decades....
i do Bagua and i am on the sword form, but with my style open palms. basic is from your core and the legs are the groundhands or weapon the extension but not to over do it as the idea you are to the centre to get the other off centre . you catch the strikes from opponant breathing walking and time you wait to 1 stike or momentum strikes wher you get them from front foot to back to front slowly sapping the energy till bang its done . the times i thought i went in and hqad my arse handded to me yeah you have to be about you. never go fro full defence or offence switch so block can be an attack with the right timing
He did know. In the novel it's stated that Dooku knew that Palpatine was Sidious and he was told that he'd fight Anakin and lose but would surrender. During his captivity he would be granted rights to live in comfort granting him an honorable surrender. What he didn't know was that Sidious considered Dooku a tool and nothing more. He was just a tool to test and turn Anakin to the dark side. Read the book I highly encourage it as it's got such great detail and reveals a lot that you just can't capture in a movie.
Every time I bring this obvious weakness of Dooku, the fanboys love to say "Oh he took the weaknesses out, he mastered the form". Aggressive and powerful duelist will always be a weakness for Dooku.
i also do try not to forget that Obi-Won not only became The master of form 3, but that was only after he put many years of training into Form 4 under Qui-Gon. Thus giving him the mobility and evasiveness of form 4, combined with the energy conservation and patience to implore it well using form 3 xo
I've listened to a number of the Star wars audiobooks and have to say the section covering Dooku's demise with Anakin and Obi-Wan's deception followed by real attack enhanced the visual of the film so much more, having the inner thoughts and mockery turned suddenly into panic and no chance to reset his perception, being constantly kept off balance with obi fighting him then side stepping and Anakin appearing from behind at startling speed and force...
Dooku knew he was done for after their downplaying had run its course and the real challenge was pounded into his face so abruptly.
Loved this part of the novelisation
Same, it was really insightful. Anakin and Obi Wan used cleverness against him.
And then the moment Obi Wan rejoins the fight to outflank him Dooku immediately dispatches Anakin before he force chokes and then throws his master away.
Where can one find these holocrons, master jedi?
@@lorenzor7993 I downloaded them years ago
love the way he fights such a masterpiece
Its the way Sir Christopher Lee fought irl. He was an excellent fencer in his youth, on screen, and well into his old age.
His weakness is not being able to wield a lightsaber without hands
The enemy cannot use a lightsbaer if you disable his hands
*sign language burn*
Darth Kraya: Am I a joke to you?
@@Eric6761 Kraya: "Sounds like a skill issue"
Kreia did it.
Makashi is the perfect lightsaber combat form. Strength isnt such a bof weakness as facing multiple opponents for makashi users. Makashi specifically isnt weak to opponents outpowering them, dooku was old very old at that point, and old people normally suffer from a lack of strength.
One of the best and underrated characters in the SW world
Form Two's weakness is just like the weakness of any finesse focused combat style. It can be completely overpowered by something powerful and aggressive. Even a Fencing Master is out of his element against a novice with an Axe and Shield. And Anakin is the proverbial hammer striking the anvil.
being 80-freaking-something years old is definitely a weakness. JS waving your 80 year old arms around probably isn't as easy as waving 20 year old arms around
@@RecoveringUGradit's a lot easier to wave around another person's arms when you're a 220 year old wookie than when you're a 380 year old wookie.
The real problem is that Dooku practiced pure, distilled Makashi. One's personal fighting method should not be limited to only one style. If you're not constantly collecting, testing, refining, and either integrating or discarding new techniques, you're going to be ill prepared against something.
he was too proud to think he needed to change so idk.
@LetholdusKaspyr What's funny is that in Labyrinth Of Evil, Dooku actually thinks this when he's training Grievous, but doesn't realize it also applies to him.
@digitaladventurer2142 That's him expanding to cover weaknesses, which is great, but in situations where your whole approach is wrong, you have to have another option. You can spread too thin dabbling in too many styles, but Exar Kun and Cin Dralig illustrated that seven isn't too many if you master them.
I prefer to hybridize Soresu and Djem so
@@memine8795 I like both those styles, and the ability to switch between them is great, but they're so opposite in approach that I'm not sure a hybrid approach would work all that well. You would need Niman or Shii-Cho to bridge the gap, I would expect.
His weakness was dueling against the chosen one.
He was able to beat him once. A second time proved to be more difficult.
I really like the "Rock, Paper, Scissors" themeing behind Dooku's, Anakin's and Obi-Wan's lightssber styles personally.
Going by pokemon types, It's like Anakin is Fire, Dooku is Leaf, and Obi-wan is Water.
Well at the end of the day it depends on who he is fighting because he said in the video that Makashi is a direct counter for fourms 1 and 4 but yet he lost to Yoda who is a fourm 4 practitioner
@@daelinmiller4437 I wouldn't really count the duel on Geonosis as "losing" to Yoda he was stalemating the Jedi Grandmaster while also trying to escape, after dismantling two prominent Jedi knights. Dooku didn't kill Yoda that day but he had his back against a literal wall and not only survived but I'd dare say thrived on it
@@chadflanaganCFC True but before the Fight he was said he was confident in his abilities thinking he was way more powerful than his former master he planned on killing him then he realized that he was too fast to keep up with and Yoda and the hard striking of Ataru Yoda counters every attack dooku throws at him and he escaped by using a Villains war tactic by trying to kill an unconscious Anikan and Obi-Wan to get away he knew he was going to get defeated if he stayed then after thoes events he specifically told grevious to not BOTHER engaging in combat with master Yoda and he told Grevious to pray for his life if he ever encountered Yoda Dooku was completely humbled that day
@@digitaladventurer2142 I absolutely love how you explained this, I was speaking in broad simplistic takes on their stances but you absolutely nailed it on the head, I do think though if it's pure blade work even for Obi-Wan he may still lose, this isn't to discredit Kenobi or to trash talk him, but the best way to get past an ultimate defense is quick, surgical maneuvers that's what Dooku specializes in.
Really great explanation of what happened during this fight always thought this fight was rushed in the movie and I had even heard the actor was doing another picture at the same time so he had a short time span to be in the movie. I mean think of it Dooku had beaten both of them in the last fight so easy it was hard to believe he would be dominated so much in this fight. But now I understand that it was Anakin's power which grew and grew combined with Anakin using Light Saber forms that Dooku had no defense against.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Ysalamir were discovered during the Timothy Zahn prequel novels. Decades after Dooku was killed, much less when Form 2 was created.
I use this form often for lightsaber practice.
Where were the Magna Guards when their lord needed them the most. Why were they accompanying Grievous instead. And why was not Grievous present there ( I know that Palpatine didn't want Anakin to fight Grievous but in that situation Palpatine's word was nothing for Grievous. And I Believe that with him or Magna Guards present there, Anakin would die or at least lost.
Good video. I knew these facts before but I am always really sad when I hear them because Dooku is my most favorite force user ):
Why didn't the Magna Guards help Dooku? Because Palpatine didn't want them to. He wanted Anakin to face and kill Dooku (which he did) and then he wanted to leave Obi-wan to die and have Anakin kill Grievous. It's all in the novelization. Palpatine wanted Anakin to fall to the dark side, which means he had to kill Dooku and leave Obi-wan to die as he felt Obi-wan would keep Anakin from falling. Then he wanted Anakin to kill Grievous so that the Republic would see Anakin as the ultimate hero who ended the Clone Wars which would further supplant Palpatine as the leader when he takes Anakin under his wing as a Sith and they rule. It would bring the people to his side. It was never Palpatine's plan to keep Dooku alive. He was a tool and even Dooku realizes this just before his death.
I feel like energy conservation was a problem too because dooku had a hard time with kenobi as well due to kenobi’s solid defense and brilliant use of controlled stamina allowing him perfectly battle dooku without tiring and dooku was way past his prime making his body unable to keep up with the movements that dooku could do with ease before dooku should have practiced form 3 to make up for his aging body
Love the Count Dooku content.
i wonder how this holds up when thinking about the clone wars... i mean anakin and docu fought all the time, while anakin changed and developed his form. If hes actually suprised in revenge of the sith, he may have another issue :D. Probably more memory related....
The clone wars didn't get all the continuity correct, at the time of the films they didn't anticipate the deeper dive into the length of the war and what confrontations would occur, in that respect the cartoons didn't help the bigger narrative by adding in contradictions and plot holes, simultaneously they did give a better look into the progressive fall and rise of key people and groups
That's because the Clone Wars was a spinoff that wasn't supposed to be. The true Clone Wars is the 2003 Clone Wars which were short animations to showcase the war and Anakin and Obi-wan transforming from movie 2 to 3. The success of the animations is what led to the new Clone Wars we have now but they came out after Episode 3. Thus it's not really canon even if they say it is as in between Attack and Revenge Dooku and Anakin never fought.
@@wookieninja8794 i know thnaks anyway. Was ment to be more of an ironic comment :D
@@andyhutley2857 i know but thanks u too the time. was more ment as a joke comment :D
I was already aware of this. I feel you've covered this and similar things like it in other videos in the past.
I'm pretty sure his weaknesses was the script saying he had to die.
Yes, old age being a big 1 too of course.
He wasn't exactly the formidable athletic fighter he was once was 😒
This why Dooku’s ideal of learning and comiting to one lightsaber form was in the long run a bad idea, he should have learned and mastered form 3, 4 or 5 along with form 2. The third may have given him more time to ware Skywalker down, the four or fifth would give more weight and physical power in his attacks
Perhaps, but then again, Anakin would probably have still overwhelmed him. He was just too powerful in his prime.
Additionally, it was specifically Dooku's incredible mastery of Form II which made him such a valuable weapon against the Jedi. If he had devoted some of that energy elsewhere, he probably wouldn't be as effective in blade-to-blade combat.
He'd likely already mastered the other forms but stubbornly stuck to form 2. I think a mastery of all 7 forms is a basic requirement for being a top tier dualist. After all if you are to defeat other forms, you need a deep understanding of those forms to undermine and thwart them. I mean Yoda, Mace, Sidious and Dooku himself all mastered the 7 forms, but each had a preferred form, Yoda perfected form 4 to an insane degree, Mace created Vapaad, Dooku perfected form 2 and Sidious could swap between forms like flowing water but still preferred form 7 due to it complimenting his natural ferocity. Dooku's main issue is he didn't want to taint his precious form 2 by borrowing from other forms.
Though you do make a solid point that he should've taken time to develop some backup forms. Although I think he was a little too old to be using form 5. Form 3 would've been a good backup strategy, even if it would've only delayed the inevitable, well that and Anakin is used to facing form 3 because he spars with Obi-Wan.
more dueling and lightsaber forms videos please
Wow this makes the duel make so much sense when watching it. You can see Dooku disassociating as it’s happening lol
Dooku lost because his opponent was Anakin, the child of the force, against another MASTER of the form 5, Dooku may have won
Wrong he died because the script said he had to.
Who can say?
Dooku couldn't beat him a second time. Someone as powerful as the chosen one.
I enjoy Form II it has alot of grace and finense
Dooku reminds me of the German dualists of old. Utter precision but low power. Anakin fought much like a master of Bushido. Playing KOTOR 2 presently & using a Anakin build but I incorporate zero light side, using only Dark Side & Universal Force powers. I also dual wield with a light sabre & vibro blade. Would love to go against the Count in the game.
Dooku should of took Seresu as seriously as he took Makashi if he was THEE master of both of those forms then I am sure he would be a lower tier nine duelist rather then a high tier eight one that is tied with Windu yeah.
He wasn't tied with Windu though. Windu was stated as an 8.5 leaning into a 9,Dooku was a solid 8.
@@kwametodd6094It never said what level of eight Dooku was in by ROTS but based on Yodas statements and him having a good grasp on both Dookus And Maces dueling abilities with a lightsaber he saw both Dooku And Mace as equals with a blade with Yoda himself being a little higher then them that is why I said they were equals with a Saber while with the force Dooku is slightly above Windu with both potential and current power levelers after all one of the reasons Yoda took Dooku as a one on one apprentice which he rarely did was because he saw Dookus strength in the force to be enigmatic even for himself to comprehend which means Dookus potential must of been a little below Yodas something that Yoda did not sense with Windu so that must mean Windus is a little below Dookers and Plo Koons a bit lower then Maces and Yaddles a bit lower then Plo Koons etc yeah.
@matthewmann8969 And Yoda also stated that at first he didn't believe any Jedi other than himself could defeat Dooku,but as the war continued, he believed only Mace could defeat him on neutral ground. Something that even Dooku seemed to believe bc they clashed on some planet and Dooku acknowledged that Windu can kill him but that he wouldn't do it that day before having 2 or 3 magnaguards distract him. As far as the force I don't think Dooku comes close to Sidious and if Windu can withstand his power,even for a little while, I think the force advantage is minimal
@@kwametodd6094Yodas statements about him being the only one to beat Dooku was in ATOC Era as well as TPM Era then around The Clone Wars a few months before ROTS Yoda while battling Dooku on Vjun said that perhaps Yoda would be Dookus only superior with the blade although only by a tiny bit with Mace perhaps being Dookus only equal with a Saber on a even plain plus when Mace fought Sidious it was with three other skilled Jedi Masters with him not by himself yet even then Mace was on his back foot so had the fight been just one on one from the get go against Sids he would of lost especially with force powers Sidious potential was slightly who's a little higher then Yodas who's in turns is a bit upper then Dookus who's potency is a mini bitter higher then Maces would be able to eventually beat Mace with a handful of difficulty.
Plus that fight Mace had with Dooku near the end of the Clone Wars notice how Mace was determined to kill Dooku then and there and used a force wave that knocked The Magnaguards back while Dooku was able to withstand that wave without even flinching plus Dooku was the one pushing Mace towards the cliff even before the magnaguards arrived and besides had Dooku stayed Anakin, Obi Wan, And there clone forces would of also arrived and Dooku would of been outgunned he did not leave because of just Mace And Dooku used the magnaguards got Mace and knocked on down the steep hill Dooku never said Mace would be able to defeat him or not all he knew was that that day was not there. Plus Dooku unlike most darksiders does not use the darkside that heavily so Maces haxes of Full On Vaapad And Shatterpoint would be of little to no use. I am not saying Dookus victory over Mace in a one on one fight duel to the death would be easy nor moderate it would be difficult but due to Dookus slight superiority with the force I could see him winning and Maces physical abilities while impressive are not Anakin level while unarmed combat Mace is no Maul yeah.
@matthewmann8969 Yet Windu beat Sidious one on one. That was confirmed by GL and was made fairly clear by the movie. We can disagree on the outcome of a Mace vs Dooku,but to imply that Windu wasn't more powerful than Skywalker is a bit disingenuous. The 2 MOST Powerful Jedi in the order at the time of ROTS were Yoda and Windu. That's been confirmed by multiple sources, people for some reason seem to think Anakin had already surpassed everyone and that's not accurate
It's like using an epi against a broadsword.
Sadly, I think I just like to be dismissive of Anakin, and Vader; their central spot to everything often makes me feel like they can get overhyped by fan appreciation, but in this case, I'm wondering if any of that fight simply had to do with Dooku's own orders, or assumptions? Tyrannus knew that he wasn't allowed to kill Anakin, as Sidious had plans for the boy, and might easily have believed that Anakin wouldn't be willing to kill him, and that Palpatine still had a place for him, after the war, so the showman had to put on a bit of a show, knowing he wasn't really allowed to win. I do know that Skywalker is powerful, and capable, but I do wonder if Dooku was really trying? He's arrogant, sure, but he didn't even try to use the Force offensively; push Anakin away, to make some distance, or stun him with Force Lightning, and I wonder how much of that was simply him following his master's orders, while he sat in the same room, and how much was actually realizing that such efforts wouldn't work on the Chosen One? He tossed Kenobi, with much more experience, and pinned him down, unconscious, with debris, so why not Sith Lord Anakin, instead of just relying on his saber skill, apart from his hubris?
Every style has weaknesses. In dooku's case it is form 5 and he went up perphaps against the strongest form 5 user at that time.
The shameful thing is we knew nothing of these forms just from the movies. Talk about lightsaber forms didn't make it till Dave Filoni's Clone Wars and Rebel Series'. It was in the novels but not in live action or animated works. It makes more sense of the movies cause for the casual observer, we had no idea what was different between 2 and 3 apart from the knowledge his skill increased.
Invisible hand, get it.
I just read that part of the novel. Dooku would have WON if Sidious didn't intervened!
Based on the information in this video I’m fully convinced that Darth Maul from the Phantom Menace would wear Dooku down in a similar fashion to how Anakin did
Maul wasn't even close to Anakin.
@@davidsegovia7560 we can agree to disagree
Dooku didn't train in the high ground
I wonder how Dooku would’ve felt about getting cybernetics if he managed to escape. He detested Grevious for being a cyborg an unholy creation in his eyes. I’d imagine he’d be at odds with himself due to his pride as a duelist funnily enough I imagine his Makashi would greatly benefit the from enhanced strength. Sidenote I wonder how obi wan and dooku would’ve benefited from cross training form 2 and 3.
Would be so interesting how a duel between Dooku and Windu would have gone
Honestly I didn't think about Anakin ability with form 5 to be able to defeat Dooku
I think his greatest weakness was being a 75 yr old man fighting a 25-30 yr old man. Yes the force is the equal in power for you across your lifetime but being older he isn't as fast or strong as in his youth with less stamina meaning it takes more force power to uphold what you once had. I think it would be interesting to see a Dooku in his prime against Anakin and see how it matches up. Would he have the natural strength, stamina, and speed to keep up and win eventually or lose the same way?
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@@Tyrosine0910 congrats on being 23.
Anakin was 22 in ROTS
@@wookieninja8794 Anakin is 23. I'm 31 lol
@@Tyrosine0910 I figured that's what you meant but do you have proof? It's never stated in the books or movies.
Love Dooku Videos
Strength vs Dex build ahahah
Quality vs pure dex
@@matthewinterlantejr.9297 Quality build earning it's name
I think he would’ve been deadly with an off hand blaster but he was too arrogant for that but if Jedi survivor has shown me anything form 2 goes good with a blaster in historic sword styles, I think some soldiers had an offhand Flintlock pistol
Dragons are the apex predators. (Even if Krayt dragons aren't technically dragons).
His weakness was the green goblin that was Yoda.
If one mastered the first 3 Forms, wouldn't that cover each other's weaknesses, especially if one could flow between styles as necessary?
I agree.Makashi is great but footwork and power are weak. Dooku was a masterpiece lightsaber.You mentioned this before. I like this breakdowns,analysis of lightsaber styles,what characters think. May the Force be with you too.Have a great day too😊
Count Dooku completes Anakin Skywalker's training as he intended to do what Obi-Wan Kenobi couldn't do, what Grand Master Yoda would not do" Dooku instructs Anakin in "ANGER" !!
"THIS" IS Dooku's moment of GLORY !
DOOKU IS THE PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION OF VALOR, and he's prepared to become M.I.A." as a Sith Lord should, -when faced-down by his assassins !!
"THIS" IS how The Dark Side Of The Force is TRULY HONORED !!🌈🤓
Here's an idea combine forms 1 2 and 3
How do we know what Dookus thoughts right before his freaking head is cut off are? Did he pause fine and write in his journal? What is this nonsense? Lol
I think you are focusing too much on Lightsaber forms and not enough on the differences in the Duelists.
Dooku is OLD, Anakin is Young.
Dooku is Strong in the Force but Anakin is stronger.
If you really want to argue that Makashi is so weak against Kinectally powerful forms like Djem So, then I think you should evaluate more equal duelists.
My view:
Assuming Two Duelists, same age, same physical and force abilities.
One skilled in Makashi
Second equally skilled in Djem So
I think Makashi takes the win.
Yeah. Dooku mastered the form specifically designed for dueling. Given equal stats, the Makashi duelist should almost always win a 1v1 encounter.
When exactly did he admit that ?
The few seconds in-between losing and not needing a hat any more ?
His weakness is palpatine with big naturals
Is it when you chop off his hands? I bet it's when you chop off his hands.
In fact, that's a fairly common weakness a lot of jedi share.
Dooku had the style, but Anakin had more weight behind to his attacks.
Dooku: "Yeah I'm a Big Deal with the Separatists."
"I'm with the Separatists... I am WITH the Separatists..."
I thought his one weakness was old age
What if a user of form 2 had large amounts of strength. I wonder what would happen
could you do a video of how Dooku lose to Quinlan Vos
Whatever happened to Dooku's sabre?
What happens at 3.39-3:40 ?
Fatal flaw was Palpatine and Anakin, hands down!
Anakin was also in his prime, while Dooku was a few decades past his prime. If Dooku was also in his prime, he may have been able to win against Anakin
Youve covered this beforehand.
Dooku’s weakness aside from this was literally just that he was old
So if BOth Ani and Dooku were say 25 yrs old, Dooku woulkd win?
@@sarys73 yea
So he's talking about his OTHER major weakness other then major arrogance at his level...
He lost to old age.
while most people say dooku is weaker , they disregard that in order to be a sith lord of the bane lineage. You must be able to surpass your master and please keep in mind that Darth Bane was strong enough to move a planet out of it's orbit. Therefore Sidious has the strength of atleast 30 sith lords who are all twice as strong as their master. This means Anakin is Amazing , and proves that in the Force he was more stronger than Count Dooku! Anakin has not become Darth Vader yet.. For the way of the Sith is power , it is either kill or be killed!!!
Being strong enough to surpass your master can mean many things.
Sidious is clearly stated to be the strongest of them all.....yet he cheapshotted his drunk/passed out master.
When Zannah beat Bane, she was better with sith sorcery, and it can be argued that she had been manipulating him for a while.....frustrating him by NOT trying to kill him.
Day 4 of asking for stupendous wave to make vs battles.
So this would answer the question can Mace Windu be beaten by Count Dooku.
Only reason dooku can be defeated is becouse writing of anakin, in real scenario of fencing he win 10 of 10times presicly as expert calculated fencer (with just one sfiwt strife and thrust) eaven the master of form 2 in gallaxy for decades....
Yup those muscles are truly powerful >O>
Is this a reupload??
Is this a repost?
i do Bagua and i am on the sword form, but with my style open palms. basic is from your core and the legs are the groundhands or weapon the extension but not to over do it as the idea you are to the centre to get the other off centre . you catch the strikes from opponant breathing walking and time you wait to 1 stike or momentum strikes wher you get them from front foot to back to front slowly sapping the energy till bang its done . the times i thought i went in and hqad my arse handded to me yeah you have to be about you. never go fro full defence or offence switch so block can be an attack with the right timing
pretty sure you don't know what bagua is
@@dogfish181 sorry baguazhang
no need to apologize, but idk about comparing Daoist pacifists and their ideologies to star wars in this context @@fungusv375
I love these videos but you keep putting out the same ones over and over I remember this video from a year ago maybe a couple
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Dooku wanted to the possessor of the #TDBank💳 card holder, but he wasn't... 🌎💘💰
I had always wondered if Palpatine was influencing Dooku's abilities so that Anakin would defeat him.
Dooku lost cause he was old. Prime age Dooku would’ve definitely faired far better.
WHAT
his overconfidence.
Day 429 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
If Dooku did not know Palpatine and Sidious were one in the same, I am amazed that he did not make an attempt to withdraw from the duel.
He did know. In the novel it's stated that Dooku knew that Palpatine was Sidious and he was told that he'd fight Anakin and lose but would surrender. During his captivity he would be granted rights to live in comfort granting him an honorable surrender. What he didn't know was that Sidious considered Dooku a tool and nothing more. He was just a tool to test and turn Anakin to the dark side. Read the book I highly encourage it as it's got such great detail and reveals a lot that you just can't capture in a movie.
His greatest weakness was Underestimating his Opponents.
Okay.
Every time I bring this obvious weakness of Dooku, the fanboys love to say "Oh he took the weaknesses out, he mastered the form". Aggressive and powerful duelist will always be a weakness for Dooku.
WOW you showed your clueless here. People go back to the novels to see how wrong he is!
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