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I'm not sure how someone would know the future like that, but currently KMC perfect fit and Ultrapro Eclipse sleeves are basically the best protection/feel you can get.
Regular decks about 1.5 inches high Commander decks: about 2-3 inches high Sleeved decks: about 3 inches high Sleeved commander decks: 5-6 inches high Double sleeved decks: 4-5 inches high Double sleeved commander decks: you need a step ladder to draw every turn and shuffling takes days
The trick with dragon shield double sleeving is to lay an unsleeved card on top of the perfect fit card, and slide both into the dragon shield sleeve. Then just remove the unsleeved card carefully and you're done. It's not ideal if you don't have a lot of time, but the seal that these create is unbeatable imo.
"In my day" we didn't sleeve anything. Pulling out my deck 6 years later, it shows, alot. I accepted Dragon Sleeves into my life a couple weeks ago, now I double sleeve. Such a great Idea. Thanks for doing these great videos for us returning and new players. Wish I had seen the deck box review before I got my trio of mana boxes lol. But thanks Tolarian CC. "Study time til it runs out"
Not only have I started double sleeving my cards but also the fishing licence and outdoors card in my tackle, and my insurance and vehicle info lol .. Thanks Professor
I know this video is old but gotta say thank you. I collect Pokemon cards and learned so much of how to store and protect my cards from your videos. Wish I found your channel sooner. I'm in the midst of going thorough my entire collection to store them right but it'll be worth it to avoid damaging/losing out of print cards. Very appreciated!
The Ultra Pro mattes do indeed have a great feel while shuffling. They don't do as good a job protecting the card, and if you play a lot then you might get a little whitening of the border of your card at the top. Ultra Pros are also most likely to split. If you can, try the new KMC "HYPER" Matte sleeves. They have the same feel as the Ultra Pro Mattes when shuffling, but do a much better job protecting your card.
Thats awesome xD Really to me the KMC Hypermats have been a treat so far, but tomorrow im going to double sleeve with a new 80ct black hypermats and perfect size sleeves, as really the only downside to KMC until now, was the gap that allowed dust to enter :( Really dont like that because im kind of OCD with having all clean, lean and accurate ;)
Michele Giuseppe Iurlo I agree. I shall be doing the same in a few days. I finally completed my modern deck. With opals and ravagers. I am not playing any games with my new babies. xD Safety first.
Richard Rivera Haha i feel the same way :D Id never even remotely play a card if not sleeved proplery ;) But dare i say it, i know many people that play their cards ONLY without sleeves because... well i really dont know why they do that.. sadistic tendency maybe ? :D Who knows ^^
I really appreciated your, almost morbid, descriptions of how the tiny particles of dust and humidity that will get into your cards and cause them to lose their "minty mint quality." I'm new to watching your channel and videos but this is some quality content!
Holy shit. I just watched a ton of your videos, and kept wondering why people double sleeved, as it seemed unnecessary and sometimes impractical to me. You just made me a believer, and I'm ordering some perfect fits.
I have to say, nearly 10 years later my KMC double sleeved decks are very minty fresh. The plastic is a little cloudy on the front not as nice as my new dragon shield perfect fit sleeves are on my new decks. I recently went through the effort of re-sleeving cards and was blown away how pristine this double sleeved method really did keep my cards. I use my cards for fun and it is just enjoyable knowing I can potentially get decades of fun out of my little scraps of shiny ✨ paper aka mtg cards ❤❤❤.
You can also triple sleeve. Use a penny sleeve over the doubled sleeve. This lets you have the patterned sleeves that tend to peel, or just keep your dragon shields in good condition as penny sleeves are much less than dragon shields.
I sleeved up my modern deck thanks to your video. I really like the added security against accidents and dust. Using the new style dragon shields to double up is a breeze and keeps my pet deck soul sisters minty fresh!
I feel so much safer with double sleeving. Thank you for making this video. I actually go overboard with triple sleeving by using the bushiroad oversleeve, legion sleeves and kmc perfect fit
Thanks for the informative videos! I'm thinking about starting to play Magic and really appreciated all the beforehand info. Will see, if they sell the same brands of stuff in my store, cause I'm from Europe. *exhited to get her first deck*
I can't believe I'm just now finding out about this. It makes so much damn sense. I just bought a deck box today that said "designed for 100 double-sleeved cards." It wasn't until I got home and got stoned and thought, wtf is that all about? And I've been collecting for almost 20yrs.... SMH
Definitely doing this once I pimp out my Oloro EDH deck. My Oloro is altered, and the paint needs the extra protection. So you know, I have also tried Ultra Pro perfect fit sleeves inside KMC and Dragon Shield outer sleeves, and unlike their outer sleeves, I can safely say that Ultra Pro perfect fits are actually a decent product. They're pretty on-par with KMC perfect fits, in fact.
Just a quick tip for double sleeving with KMC Perfect Fits and Dragon Shield Sleeves. If you use an (unsleeved) spare common and slide it in together with the KMC perfect fit, it doesn't get stuck on the plastic, but slides in smoothly, no readjusting needed. After you can simply slide out the common. If there is still resistance, two commons can be used to create a sandwitch.
I can't believe there's an error in Jace's text!! In its ultimate ability, instead of "bajara su biblioteca" it should say "baraja su biblioteca" Wow!!!
I've been getting deeper and deeper into the Magic the Gathering RUclips community lately. It could not have been more than 5 minutes after this video when I submitted an order for perfect fit sleeves. I want to play my cards but I do not want them to get damaged. Thank you for making this video!
Double sleeving in Dragon Shields with Ultra Pro Pro-Fit sleeves works just fine. Normally I'd argue against using Ultra Pro sleeves, but the Pro-Fit sleeves work just fine for double-sleeving and are pretty cheap. Since the Pro-Fit sleeve is the inner sleeve, it won't feel the wear and tear of shuffling and playing, and such, tearing is not a problem. And Dragon Shield sleeves last for years on end.
"Double-sleeved cards are protected from all water and spills. That means that your cards are safe when some jackanapes spills his Thunder Muscle energy drink" That came out of nowhere💀
The rules for this have changed as of November 2020 and Double Sleeving is now allowed at official YuGiOh tournaments. It took them long enough to realize how archaic that rule was. Just putting this here for those that see the original comment and still want to know if it's still true.
If your having trouble double sleeving and the KMC sleeves slide up when you put the card in (Like 1:37), all you have to do is take the card with the perfect fit on it, and put another un sleeved card over it and slide them both into the outer sleeve and then remove the unsleeved card once they are fully in the outside sleeve! works every time
Glad I found this video again because I thought I was losing my mind trying to double sleeve cards with my current stock of extra ultra pros and dragon shields. I only have a few KMC Hyper mats, but the sleeving is much easier with those and I'm not convinced the extra seal from going super tight on the dragon shields is worth the extra effort. What I find really weird is that the ultra pros sometimes work as easily as the KMCs, but only after the pack has been opened and they are left sitting upstairs in my bedroom where I'm doing the sleeving for a day.
Very nice. I just started double sleeving my more expensive cards... I also found that you can do it with Ultrapro too...it's a tight fit, but I found that you can actually get your finger under the ultrapro front plastic once the card and perfect fit are in, and slide it down. This prevents the double sleeve from moving, as it translates the pressure to it and the card underneath, allowing them to slide right down.
I don't do double sleaves due to A hating the feel of it. B The cards I play with are ones that I don't think I'll ever trade or sell, so the mintness of the card doesn't really matter to me. As long as it is playable it's fine for me.
So even if you own a card worth around a hundred dollars you wouldn't double sleeve it? I got an expedition from Oath and the very first thing I did was put 2 sleeves on it.
Brett Jacobson I pulled a Sol ring Masterpiece from Kaladesh that's worth over a hundred dollars but i only put it in a single sleeve then in a hard case or top loader. i think the Hard case is better then double sleeving.
Brett Jacobson No i don't think I'll be using it to play with since i only play in sealed or daft. I just keep it in a small safe i bought with my other expensive cards. And to be honest i only purchased a case of Kaladesh to find the masterpieces to collect not to play.
I've been double sleeving my decks because I just enjoying having security that my cards wont get ruined because of any spills or if there was some unforeseen wetness like a wet table. (and its mainly more popular in formats such as commander, vintage, or legacy)
Question - Is it still worth double sleeving with Dragon Shield even though the fit is already pretty tight? I recently started using them, and they seem fine to me. I mostly play commander.
Tolarian Community College I have a question for you. Do you think it's better to double sleeve a really valuable card such as masterpieces or expeditions or to put them in a sleeve then in a Hard case or top loader ?
i know someone who plays they're mono white highlander unslieved just to watch plays loose their nut when they see the value of his cards getting wrecked. lol, this was a very informative video, and though i am unlikely to ever double sleeve i can now justify it.
I've always double sleeved and have found that double-sleeving curled foils and then putting them into filled binders helps gently de-curl them over time.
Love this trick. Went through old cards, found mint null rod, mint city of brass x2, and a foil white 7th edition angel( forget name) that says it is worth $160 on TCG player. I never double sleeved growing up, and I started double sleeving my decks... Love it.
i have my edh deck double sleeved with some dragonshield whites on the inside and the penny sleeves from walmart on the outside. they've worked wonders so far the penny sleeves do tend to want to wear out fast but easy replacing
Professor, I’m pretty hyped as I’m buying back into Magic the gathering for oath breaker and going the foil route with a Garruk, Unleashed deck. Recent buys included extended foil asuza, Garruk, brontodon, Mox amber (pre day promo), elder gargaroth, etc... Anyway great video and recommendations on double sleeping. I might triple sleeve my deck with hard plastic as outer layer since the deck is upwards of $500. Hopefully they reprint ezuri predation as an extended art. Love the channel and content. Hope all is well.
Finally bought some KMC for this, and was totally worth it. Since the publication of this video, I believe Dragon Shield has changed their sleeves a bit. I had only 3 cards slip from the KMC when double sleeving my commander deck.
This video is for obsessive complusive lunatics. Jesus Christ, just listen to the narrator. Yikes. Yep I'll just do this for my decks with the 4 Bazaar of Baghdads and ...oh wait, I don't have any of those. Nevermind.
Really? So you don't want to protect your 400-800 dollar Modern deck? Or even your 250 dollar standard deck? Come on now. Maybe the prices of a lot of the individual cards aren't huge but they add up.
Justin S Believe me, I'd want to protect my deck even if I had something like only 4 20$ worth card. Cards lose their value REALLY easly, you don't want that to happen.
For Dragon Shield sleeves, I put it in with a unsleeved magic card(usually a basic land). The plastic doesn't push against each other. I then remove the basic land and viola, it's in there.
Ultra pro has changed the size of their exterior sleeve so that it will only work with their "Pro-Fit". The "Pro-Fits" are very poorly made, not only are they irregular sizes, but some are too small to even fit on your Magic card. You can try using the KMC Perfect Size with ultra pro, but there's a chance they won't fit anymore.
lol this guy is halarius hes giving us a whole science class. is he being a lunitic on purpose or is he just this insane either way this guy is halarius.
Science lecture? Hardly. I'm a professor of English. You misspelled both 'hilarious' (halarius) and 'lunatic' (lunitic). Also, you should have placed an apostrophe in 'he's' (hes) and there were numerous errors in use of both capitalization and punctuation, such as omitted commas and question marks. You might also want to consider some variation in regards to vocabulary, as you use 'hilarious' twice within such a short message. Your message should have read more like this: LOL! This guy is hilarious! He's giving us a whole science class. Is he being a lunatic on purpose or is he just insane? Either way, this guy is hysterical! Now, normally I teach college, but I was more than happy to offer a brief lesson at the second grade level for you.
Tolarian Community College Now I know why your videos remain interesting. It is because you use correct grammar, enunciate well, and have experience talking to large groups of people. Well done! Also thank Heaven for Google spell-check. (Because I am a horrendous speller)
I also think KMC Hyper Mats are the best outer sleeve for double sleeving there is less air contain inside when you double sleeve. Thanks a lot and keep on making great videos!!!!!!!!!!
I appreciate the time and effort to make these videos with such detail, really such detail. But whenever I heard him say "...and that extra time struggling to get the card double-sleeved can be really frustrating!" I was like, damn, this is a first-world problem-solving channel. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it just struck me out of my routine. I will now go meditate somewhere to see how I can do something useful with my life...
I just changed from using crappy ultra-pros to kmc perfect fit + super series and.. the difference in quality is incredible. These feel great, don't get sticky after one match, and DONT SPLIT AFTER ONE MATCH. Thanks prof
GreyPowerVan I've used Ultra Pro for months no problem, my opponent today used fresh KMC Hypermats and his sleeves were splitting from his own casual shuffling. So..........
I've been on and off again dabbling in MtG after maybe a decade long hiatus and really appreciate the videos for helping me figure out some of the odds and ends like this! Thankfully, I was pretty thorough with sleeving way back when I played (Mirage through Invasion blocks) so almost all of my cards are still in great shape. (Side note: the vast majority of my sleeves from back then were Ultra Pro clears and they seem to be made way differently than their modern equivalents.) I've got a few decks that hold my most valuable cards (and wow are they pricey now!) like a play set of Force of Wills, Rishidan Ports, Rofellos, and a Cradle so I'm considering double sleeving them with the KMCs. I'm a little nervous about the long term storage prospect- do you feel like they've been in the market long enough to trust their Acid free/archival quality claims- especially for the inner Perfect Fits? Not that I'm planning on another decade hiatus but it could happen...
I would recommend this for any card game you were serious about. KMC makes smaller sized card sleeves (for Yu-Gi-Oh!, Cardfight!! Vanguard, etc.). They call them "Mini:" and they come in the usual colors and styles.
Tolarian Community College I have started double sleeving now, using KMC Hypers and Dragon shields. I see what you meant about the dragon shields being a chore to sleeve. Sometimes it was near impossible to double sleeve with particular KMC perfect fits. Funny enough trying a different KMC perfect fit might yield a perfect result. I assume there are tiny variations in KMC sleeve sizes that are just enough to make a difference. However, both sleeves -- especially the dragonshields -- seem to keep a lot of air. Even when I have the air pressed out very hard, they instantly re-inflate. I've stored them in a very tight fitting box to keep the pressure on them to keep air out, but as soon as they are taken out, the card stack expands 3 times the size. It's pretty tough to play when your EDH deck is 4-5 inches tall.
i did this with dragon shield, it worked perfectly fine. you just have to slide the perfect fit all the way up so when you put it in, it only shifts a little bit upwards and it looks good
Double sleeving eternal mtg decks is almost always a must! Most of my deck is foreign foil, signed, etc and I feel extremely safe playing with them while double sleeved.
I've only ever used Ultra Pro inner sleeves (after their improvement). They slide into all kinds of "outer sleeves" really easy and I've never had one split or crumple or "slide off from the card again while pushing the sleeved card in".
I double sleeve even my Pauper decks. At my LGS they sell them combined for a total of $10, which is super cheap. For decks like U/B Delver, it is a must because they can go up to $180.
A video from 8 yrs ago and its still helpful to this day thank you prof. I know I most likely wont get a reply cuz the video is almost 10 yrs old buuuut just wanted to say thanks a ton anyways because I just got in the mail recently my very pricey promotional ur dragon card that I plan to use as a dragon commander. I had him (I think) perfect fit sleeved and put him in one of those hard plastic casings buuut I watched this and didnt realize I could have triple protection by putting one of my dragon shields over the perfect fit sleeve. I think my gorgeous promo foil will last a very long time now thank u thank u thank u!!! 😇😇🤘
Just gonna point it out since I only recently found out. While it is true that the older DS sleeves will have the problem mentioned in the video( I almost tore up my cards trying to do it with some black DS sleeves), they appear to have changed how they print sleeves with the newer colors. I know from experience that with Turquoise DS sleeves, double sleeving is very easy, cards slide in perfectly and the perfect fit doesn't ride up like it did with the black sleeves.
You can watch my video on Deck Boxes (look at my channel) to see the best kinds: an Ultra Pro Pro-Dual 120 for a budget deck box (about 5 bucks, USD) that holds 2 double-sleeved standard decks, or for something very fancy you can spring for the Ultra Pro Satin Tower (about 10-12 bucks, USD). I suggest watching my video to see what they look like.
Whilst I agree with you about the protection benefits of double sleeving, I just don't like it from an ergonomic standpoint. I just got into magic and on your recommendation tried double sleeving with the perfect fits and hyper mattes. Double sleeving just made the deck far too thick and unwieldy, and totally ruined the amazing shuffle feel of the KMC Hyper Mattes. I'd sum up double sleeving like this (for me personally): Pros: - Great protection for your cards - ??? - ??? Cons: - Increases the cost of sleeving your decks by at least 40%+ which in the long run is a fair bit of money - Deck becomes too thick to shuffle comfortably - Limits your choice of deck boxes due to extra space required - Double sleeving is a much more arduous task than single sleeving - More air gets trapped in your sleeves this way and takes a little while to go away - The vibrant colours of the artwork on your cards are dulled by the extra layer of plastic I can see why some people swear by double sleeving, but I just didn't like it ultimately. I think you could have better illustrated the ergonomic effects double sleeving has on a deck, because I find it's enormously significant, and for me and many other people it's a deal breaker. If you have OCD, or a ludicrously expensive deck, knock yourself out. Resleeving cards is a rarity (and I do it gently) and I always play on a playmat with clean hands and keep my deck in it's deckbox when not in use, which is sufficient protection for my sensibilities. YMMV
Might need a video update on this one. I notice that you insert the card in the inner sleeve by pushing on the bottom edge of the card. When I started double sleeving I used to do this and found that sometimes the fit would be tight and pushing on the bottom edge of the card would accidentally fold and crease the card. A better way is to stick your thumb on the card and have your index finger on the outside bottom of the card. Gently rub your index finger down, with pressure on the sleeve, and push your thumb on the card up as if you were rubbing your thumb against your index finger. This works with just about any fit of perfect fit sleeves and avoids the possibility of creasing a card.
If you have time, could you please make a video specifically addressing the thicknesses of sleeves of the top recommended brands/types? I think the thickness of the sleeves also makes a huge difference in both handle feel and selection of deck boxes. Manufacturer's sites sometimes show a thickness of the sheet (1 layer), or the thickness of the entire sleeve (2 layers), which can be confusing. For example, KMC Perfect Size is marked as 0.10 mm, and KMC Hyper Matte is 0.12 mm, both numbers I believe are 2 layers. Compare that to Dragon Shield, which I believe is actually 0.12 mm per single layer? This means that, a card doubled sleeved with KMC inner and outer is still thinner than a card single sleeved with Dragon Shield. At the same time, a card double sleeved with KMC Perfect Size and Dragon Shield is 50% thicker than that. How does the shuffle feel compare with thickness into consideration? Deck box selection? Finally, while double sleeving of any snug fitting brand seals against water, do double KMC offer the same protection as single Dragon sleeve mechanically, since the thickness is pretty much the same? I hope you can make a video so I can determine what best to purchase. Thank you!
I try and mention thickness in my sleeve reviews, but I can say this: KMC HYPER MAT has the BEST shuffle feel for double sleeved cards, hands down. They aren't as thick as Dragon Shield, and they have been known to split on rare occasions, but they have the absolute best shuffle feel, especially for a double sleeved deck.
Tolarian Community College Thank you. If you can include some thickness measurements in future sleeve reviews that will be helpful, as double the sleeve thickness between brands will add up to a big height difference in a full deck. Have you tried the Ultra Pro Pro-Fit? They are designed to be inner sleeves like KMC Perfect Size, and run 2-3 cents per sleeve when bought bulk, vs 4-5 cents per sleeve for KMC. You mentioned Ultra Pro does not stand up to much abuse, but using as a inner sleeve this may not matter as much, and may save some money? Just wondering if you've tested double sleeving compatibility with Pro-Fits. Thanks!
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Prepare For Prerelease: ruclips.net/video/fnaBOlE8ico/видео.html
hey Professor can you suggest us what brand to buy for double sleeves in 2018?
Leverquin Yes, I'd like to know this too.
I'm not sure how someone would know the future like that, but currently KMC perfect fit and Ultrapro Eclipse sleeves are basically the best protection/feel you can get.
Tolarian Community College now what about kmc hyper mat sleevs
Wrap it before you tap it.
Regular decks about 1.5 inches high
Commander decks: about 2-3 inches high
Sleeved decks: about 3 inches high
Sleeved commander decks: 5-6 inches high
Double sleeved decks: 4-5 inches high
Double sleeved commander decks: you need a step ladder to draw every turn and shuffling takes days
Ayyyy wings of fire
I know a guy who *triple sleeved* his commander deck... It was a nightmare to shuffle
I double sleeve all my commander decks.
@@AaronNitro bro i quadruple sleeve my commander decks with top loaders on them
Izzet Right? - Magic: the Gathering for Beginners good joke
I double sleeved my deck and when i tried to play in the swimming pool, it was NOT PROTECTED FROM ALL WATER AND SPILLS. this video is a scam.
Genius I mean I play my cards in the oven double sleeved too ya know
I played in lava with a Tera-sleeved deck and they didn't get any scratch
Hall of the Wolf Gaming Check out this pot calling the kettle black. It's you're not your.
itsvictorman Neither are black
LMAO this made my day
The trick with dragon shield double sleeving is to lay an unsleeved card on top of the perfect fit card, and slide both into the dragon shield sleeve. Then just remove the unsleeved card carefully and you're done.
It's not ideal if you don't have a lot of time, but the seal that these create is unbeatable imo.
+Nickenator8 Thanks! I'm kinda partial to dragon's so it's nice to know there's a trick for it.
+Nickenator8 I sat here, ready to give up, until I read your comment. You are a saint
+Nickenator8 Thanks a lot for that comment. I got it figured out now :)
your a sleeve god
+Nickenator8 Thank you so much sir! That is a great solution!
I double sleeve my cards with Kevlar jackets. I'd hate to get shot and have a hole go through all my cards.
i double-sleeve my double-sleeves before and after i double-sleeve'em
i usually tank my double bunkered holos.
I just play with sleeved sleeves. No cards.
But do you ever take two shits before you take two shits?
How many sleeves is that?
sleeveception
O.o
I never should have watched this video. Now I'm afraid of every dust spec out there attempting to hurt my precious cards!!!!!
Omg me toooo
Liber Khaos lol i feel you on that.
Liber Khaos same
Liber Khaos same
Was WAY afraid before that! Now I HAVE to double sleeve.
Props to you - I thought you were insane for double-sleeving, but it makes sense and doesn't seem as hard to do as I would have imagined.
"In my day" we didn't sleeve anything. Pulling out my deck 6 years later, it shows, alot. I accepted Dragon Sleeves into my life a couple weeks ago, now I double sleeve. Such a great Idea. Thanks for doing these great videos for us returning and new players. Wish I had seen the deck box review before I got my trio of mana boxes lol. But thanks Tolarian CC. "Study time til it runs out"
Not only have I started double sleeving my cards but also the fishing licence and outdoors card in my tackle, and my insurance and vehicle info lol .. Thanks Professor
I finally caved and watched this video.
damn it.
Goodbye, spare change. We will never forget you.
Rhystic Studies same lol
Its been literal years since this came on my feed and I'm finally watching it, feels kinda good honestly
I know this video is old but gotta say thank you. I collect Pokemon cards and learned so much of how to store and protect my cards from your videos. Wish I found your channel sooner. I'm in the midst of going thorough my entire collection to store them right but it'll be worth it to avoid damaging/losing out of print cards. Very appreciated!
The Ultra Pro mattes do indeed have a great feel while shuffling. They don't do as good a job protecting the card, and if you play a lot then you might get a little whitening of the border of your card at the top. Ultra Pros are also most likely to split. If you can, try the new KMC "HYPER" Matte sleeves. They have the same feel as the Ultra Pro Mattes when shuffling, but do a much better job protecting your card.
I once knew a man who, dare I say it, triple sleeved.
zachery moody Oh my word! /gasps & faints
Thats awesome xD Really to me the KMC Hypermats have been a treat so far, but tomorrow im going to double sleeve with a new 80ct black hypermats and perfect size sleeves, as really the only downside to KMC until now, was the gap that allowed dust to enter :( Really dont like that because im kind of OCD with having all clean, lean and accurate ;)
Michele Giuseppe Iurlo I agree. I shall be doing the same in a few days. I finally completed my modern deck. With opals and ravagers. I am not playing any games with my new babies. xD Safety first.
Richard Rivera Haha i feel the same way :D Id never even remotely play a card if not sleeved proplery ;) But dare i say it, i know many people that play their cards ONLY without sleeves because... well i really dont know why they do that.. sadistic tendency maybe ? :D Who knows ^^
Triple? Some Japanese/or Asian card game players have been well known of quadra sleeve and maxmium of penta!
Your channel is truly very good. You have great quality content and helpful tutorials. I can see you getting very popular in the MTG community.
lmao i was right
ITSWILLDUMMY omg 2 days???
@@Snazzyriffic What about now? :D
You were VERY right
Lmao
I really appreciated your, almost morbid, descriptions of how the tiny particles of dust and humidity that will get into your cards and cause them to lose their "minty mint quality." I'm new to watching your channel and videos but this is some quality content!
Who's here in 2024 and BLOWN AWAY by how different Prof's voice is!
What 10 years does to a man
Holy shit. I just watched a ton of your videos, and kept wondering why people double sleeved, as it seemed unnecessary and sometimes impractical to me. You just made me a believer, and I'm ordering some perfect fits.
Damn, that Storm Crow had a good time.
Jessica Zane lmao
I have to say, nearly 10 years later my KMC double sleeved decks are very minty fresh. The plastic is a little cloudy on the front not as nice as my new dragon shield perfect fit sleeves are on my new decks. I recently went through the effort of re-sleeving cards and was blown away how pristine this double sleeved method really did keep my cards. I use my cards for fun and it is just enjoyable knowing I can potentially get decades of fun out of my little scraps of shiny ✨ paper aka mtg cards ❤❤❤.
"When some jackinape spills his 'Thunder Muscle' energy drink on your deck."
-Tolarian Community College 2013
You can also triple sleeve. Use a penny sleeve over the doubled sleeve. This lets you have the patterned sleeves that tend to peel, or just keep your dragon shields in good condition as penny sleeves are much less than dragon shields.
Love the Thunder Muscle quip, hopefully that was an intentional reference to Todd Margret.
TheGingerbreadman32 He made some very poor decisions.
Tolarian Community College That made my day so much.
I sleeved up my modern deck thanks to your video. I really like the added security against accidents and dust. Using the new style dragon shields to double up is a breeze and keeps my pet deck soul sisters minty fresh!
I feel so much safer with double sleeving. Thank you for making this video. I actually go overboard with triple sleeving by using the bushiroad oversleeve, legion sleeves and kmc perfect fit
double sleeved my beloved Izzet deck. truly is a labor of love.
Thanks for the informative videos! I'm thinking about starting to play Magic and really appreciated all the beforehand info. Will see, if they sell the same brands of stuff in my store, cause I'm from Europe. *exhited to get her first deck*
I can't believe I'm just now finding out about this. It makes so much damn sense. I just bought a deck box today that said "designed for 100 double-sleeved cards." It wasn't until I got home and got stoned and thought, wtf is that all about? And I've been collecting for almost 20yrs.... SMH
I like this video on double sleeving. I play Legacy and I have cards worth more than $80 a piece.
Tristan Blaze Exactly! By double-sleeving you ensure the ultimate protection for your valuable Legacy deck.
Now I wish I hadn;t have stocked up on all those ultra-pro sleeves now.
Are they basic lands??
Tristan Blaze No, he plays with his beta power 9 sleeveless.
Tristan Blaze think i got a sword of fire and ice floating arround with some fetch lands somewhere in a shoe box :D
Definitely doing this once I pimp out my Oloro EDH deck. My Oloro is altered, and the paint needs the extra protection. So you know, I have also tried Ultra Pro perfect fit sleeves inside KMC and Dragon Shield outer sleeves, and unlike their outer sleeves, I can safely say that Ultra Pro perfect fits are actually a decent product. They're pretty on-par with KMC perfect fits, in fact.
Other then the fact that they are slightly to small and cause the cards to warp.
Your right, double sleeve does offer great protection. Thank you so much, love your vids bro, keep it up
Just a quick tip for double sleeving with KMC Perfect Fits and Dragon Shield Sleeves.
If you use an (unsleeved) spare common and slide it in together with the KMC perfect fit, it doesn't get stuck on the plastic, but slides in smoothly, no readjusting needed. After you can simply slide out the common.
If there is still resistance, two commons can be used to create a sandwitch.
I can't believe there's an error in Jace's text!!
In its ultimate ability, instead of "bajara su biblioteca" it should say "baraja su biblioteca"
Wow!!!
Le vieron la cara al profe
Eso que esh? Que bajes tu biblioteca...? a donde...?
Jajajaj
Now I'm just imagining some white intern puzzling over a language dictionary because he's all they had to write the Spanish text
@@Nodapper depends
I've been getting deeper and deeper into the Magic the Gathering RUclips community lately. It could not have been more than 5 minutes after this video when I submitted an order for perfect fit sleeves. I want to play my cards but I do not want them to get damaged. Thank you for making this video!
Double sleeving in Dragon Shields with Ultra Pro Pro-Fit sleeves works just fine. Normally I'd argue against using Ultra Pro sleeves, but the Pro-Fit sleeves work just fine for double-sleeving and are pretty cheap. Since the Pro-Fit sleeve is the inner sleeve, it won't feel the wear and tear of shuffling and playing, and such, tearing is not a problem. And Dragon Shield sleeves last for years on end.
I will try that.
I really like these videos. Quality, simple, and straight to the point. Hope to see more.
"Double-sleeved cards are protected from all water and spills. That means that your cards are safe when some jackanapes spills his Thunder Muscle energy drink" That came out of nowhere💀
Such a young sounding professor!!! ❤
meanwhile in Yugioh: Double-Sleeving is banned from Tournaments
SMH
Wait why?
Why?
Grin Reaper Of Trolls they think it can mark your cards lol
The rules for this have changed as of November 2020 and Double Sleeving is now allowed at official YuGiOh tournaments. It took them long enough to realize how archaic that rule was. Just putting this here for those that see the original comment and still want to know if it's still true.
If your having trouble double sleeving and the KMC sleeves slide up when you put the card in (Like 1:37), all you have to do is take the card with the perfect fit on it, and put another un sleeved card over it and slide them both into the outer sleeve and then remove the unsleeved card once they are fully in the outside sleeve! works every time
I live in Arizona, so I don't know what moisture is, but I do know that using double protection is always a must.
This was the first video I watched before I started this adventure of this account!
2 years ago when I first saw this video I'd have never thought I would even hold a Jace the Mind Sculptor..
Glad I found this video again because I thought I was losing my mind trying to double sleeve cards with my current stock of extra ultra pros and dragon shields. I only have a few KMC Hyper mats, but the sleeving is much easier with those and I'm not convinced the extra seal from going super tight on the dragon shields is worth the extra effort.
What I find really weird is that the ultra pros sometimes work as easily as the KMCs, but only after the pack has been opened and they are left sitting upstairs in my bedroom where I'm doing the sleeving for a day.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO THE STORM CROW!?!? YOU MONSTER! :O
Very nice. I just started double sleeving my more expensive cards... I also found that you can do it with Ultrapro too...it's a tight fit, but I found that you can actually get your finger under the ultrapro front plastic once the card and perfect fit are in, and slide it down. This prevents the double sleeve from moving, as it translates the pressure to it and the card underneath, allowing them to slide right down.
You should try the brand new KMC HYPER MATS, they were designed to be the exterior sleeve for double-sleeving and are amazing.
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like character guards?
Holy shit is that a Spanish Jace the Mindsculpter? cool.....
+Tyler Simmons Spanish.
+Tolarian Community College Still though......damn
+Tyler Simmons jajajaja así me gusta!!! Arriba las cartas en español!
BTW: great video professor, loved it!
+Tyler Simmons hahahaha, spanish, you can usually tell by french punctuation
+Tempest and a Computer it is spanish la biblioteca means library I have taken spanish for 5 years
You put fear into my heart with the knowledge over time my cards will slowly fall out of their mint condition and there is nothing I can do about it.
I don't do double sleaves due to A hating the feel of it. B The cards I play with are ones that I don't think I'll ever trade or sell, so the mintness of the card doesn't really matter to me. As long as it is playable it's fine for me.
So even if you own a card worth around a hundred dollars you wouldn't double sleeve it? I got an expedition from Oath and the very first thing I did was put 2 sleeves on it.
Brett Jacobson I pulled a Sol ring Masterpiece from Kaladesh that's worth over a hundred dollars but i only put it in a single sleeve then in a hard case or top loader. i think the Hard case is better then double sleeving.
Depends if you are going to put it in a deck or on a shelf
Brett Jacobson No i don't think I'll be using it to play with since i only play in sealed or daft. I just keep it in a small safe i bought with my other expensive cards. And to be honest i only purchased a case of Kaladesh to find the masterpieces to collect not to play.
I've been double sleeving my decks because I just enjoying having security that my cards wont get ruined because of any spills or if there was some unforeseen wetness like a wet table. (and its mainly more popular in formats such as commander, vintage, or legacy)
Can you make a video on triple sleeving? There aren't many videos about it and I would like to hear your opinions.
Question - Is it still worth double sleeving with Dragon Shield even though the fit is already pretty tight? I recently started using them, and they seem fine to me. I mostly play commander.
Absolutely, if they are your preferred sleeve of choice.
I only double sleeve cards that are worth $3-4 and above.
Tolarian Community College I have a question for you. Do you think it's better to double sleeve a really valuable card such as masterpieces or expeditions or to put them in a sleeve then in a Hard case or top loader ?
If they aren't for play, I would put them in a top loader with a singular sleeve. If I could shuffle, I would play with a top-loaded deck haha
Tempest and a Computer That's what I'm doing now but only with the cards that are Valuable like Masterpieces or Expeditions.
i know someone who plays they're mono white highlander unslieved just to watch plays loose their nut when they see the value of his cards getting wrecked. lol, this was a very informative video, and though i am unlikely to ever double sleeve i can now justify it.
god damn it, now i want to double sleeve my cards
Me too.
'Tainting the minty-mint quality' Best. Line. Ever.
I've always double sleeved and have found that double-sleeving curled foils and then putting them into filled binders helps gently de-curl them over time.
I watch this video everytime I need a good laugh.
Thanks...I...I think?
First time double sleeving my weiss cards, tnx professor!!
Thanks for this now I can put my 150$ modern elf deck down on the dusty tables of my school library without stressing out. :)
Love this trick. Went through old cards, found mint null rod, mint city of brass x2, and a foil white 7th edition angel( forget name) that says it is worth $160 on TCG player. I never double sleeved growing up, and I started double sleeving my decks... Love it.
Double sleeving takes so much time .... ugh!!!!
Cry me a fucking river.
i have my edh deck double sleeved with some dragonshield whites on the inside and the penny sleeves from walmart on the outside. they've worked wonders so far the penny sleeves do tend to want to wear out fast but easy replacing
This is where women choose to avoid us
5 years later, things have changed, playing magic with attractive women these days.
Professor, I’m pretty hyped as I’m buying back into Magic the gathering for oath breaker and going the foil route with a Garruk, Unleashed deck. Recent buys included extended foil asuza, Garruk, brontodon, Mox amber (pre day promo), elder gargaroth, etc... Anyway great video and recommendations on double sleeping. I might triple sleeve my deck with hard plastic as outer layer since the deck is upwards of $500. Hopefully they reprint ezuri predation as an extended art. Love the channel and content. Hope all is well.
And you can go overkill with Oversleeves
Finally bought some KMC for this, and was totally worth it. Since the publication of this video, I believe Dragon Shield has changed their sleeves a bit. I had only 3 cards slip from the KMC when double sleeving my commander deck.
This video is for obsessive complusive lunatics. Jesus Christ, just listen to the narrator. Yikes. Yep I'll just do this for my decks with the 4 Bazaar of Baghdads and ...oh wait, I don't have any of those. Nevermind.
Really? So you don't want to protect your 400-800 dollar Modern deck? Or even your 250 dollar standard deck? Come on now. Maybe the prices of a lot of the individual cards aren't huge but they add up.
Justin S Believe me, I'd want to protect my deck even if I had something like only 4 20$ worth card. Cards lose their value REALLY easly, you don't want that to happen.
Had a buddy who riffle shuffled his magic deck just to see all the nerds flip out.. Funny stuff
For Dragon Shield sleeves, I put it in with a unsleeved magic card(usually a basic land). The plastic doesn't push against each other. I then remove the basic land and viola, it's in there.
Jace el escultor mental 😂😂😂
Ultra pro has changed the size of their exterior sleeve so that it will only work with their "Pro-Fit". The "Pro-Fits" are very poorly made, not only are they irregular sizes, but some are too small to even fit on your Magic card. You can try using the KMC Perfect Size with ultra pro, but there's a chance they won't fit anymore.
lol this guy is halarius hes giving us a whole science class. is he being a lunitic on purpose or is he just this insane either way this guy is halarius.
Science lecture? Hardly. I'm a professor of English. You misspelled both 'hilarious' (halarius) and 'lunatic' (lunitic). Also, you should have placed an apostrophe in 'he's' (hes) and there were numerous errors in use of both capitalization and punctuation, such as omitted commas and question marks. You might also want to consider some variation in regards to vocabulary, as you use 'hilarious' twice within such a short message.
Your message should have read more like this: LOL! This guy is hilarious! He's giving us a whole science class. Is he being a lunatic on purpose or is he just insane? Either way, this guy is hysterical!
Now, normally I teach college, but I was more than happy to offer a brief lesson at the second grade level for you.
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i think youre a little more crazzy
Tolarian Community College Shots Fired!!! XD
Tolarian Community College Now I know why your videos remain interesting. It is because you use correct grammar, enunciate well, and have experience talking to large groups of people. Well done! Also thank Heaven for Google spell-check. (Because I am a horrendous speller)
Wow time flies, a decade old video. 3:36, always essential to use protection for this, good job.
I also think KMC Hyper Mats are the best outer sleeve for double sleeving there is less air contain inside when you double sleeve. Thanks a lot and keep on making great videos!!!!!!!!!!
I appreciate the time and effort to make these videos with such detail, really such detail. But whenever I heard him say "...and that extra time struggling to get the card double-sleeved can be really frustrating!" I was like, damn, this is a first-world problem-solving channel. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it just struck me out of my routine. I will now go meditate somewhere to see how I can do something useful with my life...
Alright, after all these years I'm going to start double sleeving some of my 500+ decks! I knew prof would have a video on how!
feel like this video might be a bit outdated, with all the new products out these days. cant ask for a new one though.
I just changed from using crappy ultra-pros to kmc perfect fit + super series and.. the difference in quality is incredible. These feel great, don't get sticky after one match, and DONT SPLIT AFTER ONE MATCH. Thanks prof
GreyPowerVan I've used Ultra Pro for months no problem, my opponent today used fresh KMC Hypermats and his sleeves were splitting from his own casual shuffling. So..........
I've been on and off again dabbling in MtG after maybe a decade long hiatus and really appreciate the videos for helping me figure out some of the odds and ends like this!
Thankfully, I was pretty thorough with sleeving way back when I played (Mirage through Invasion blocks) so almost all of my cards are still in great shape. (Side note: the vast majority of my sleeves from back then were Ultra Pro clears and they seem to be made way differently than their modern equivalents.) I've got a few decks that hold my most valuable cards (and wow are they pricey now!) like a play set of Force of Wills, Rishidan Ports, Rofellos, and a Cradle so I'm considering double sleeving them with the KMCs. I'm a little nervous about the long term storage prospect- do you feel like they've been in the market long enough to trust their Acid free/archival quality claims- especially for the inner Perfect Fits? Not that I'm planning on another decade hiatus but it could happen...
I would recommend this for any card game you were serious about. KMC makes smaller sized card sleeves (for Yu-Gi-Oh!, Cardfight!! Vanguard, etc.). They call them "Mini:" and they come in the usual colors and styles.
Could you make an updated version for the current best sleeves!
Glad someone noticed that! ;)
Well damn, you just convinced me. And thanks for speaking at a normal speed such that I didn't miss anything by playing the video at 2x!
Tolarian Community College I have started double sleeving now, using KMC Hypers and Dragon shields. I see what you meant about the dragon shields being a chore to sleeve. Sometimes it was near impossible to double sleeve with particular KMC perfect fits. Funny enough trying a different KMC perfect fit might yield a perfect result. I assume there are tiny variations in KMC sleeve sizes that are just enough to make a difference. However, both sleeves -- especially the dragonshields -- seem to keep a lot of air. Even when I have the air pressed out very hard, they instantly re-inflate. I've stored them in a very tight fitting box to keep the pressure on them to keep air out, but as soon as they are taken out, the card stack expands 3 times the size. It's pretty tough to play when your EDH deck is 4-5 inches tall.
Just watched this while sleeping up my commander deck, thanks prof!
i did this with dragon shield, it worked perfectly fine. you just have to slide the perfect fit all the way up so when you put it in, it only shifts a little bit upwards and it looks good
I like how you demonstrated the way your card gets damaged on a storm crow and how to keep your card safe with a Jace. Significant difference there.
Double sleeving eternal mtg decks is almost always a must! Most of my deck is foreign foil, signed, etc and I feel extremely safe playing with them while double sleeved.
I've only ever used Ultra Pro inner sleeves (after their improvement). They slide into all kinds of "outer sleeves" really easy and I've never had one split or crumple or "slide off from the card again while pushing the sleeved card in".
same its bs
I double sleeve even my Pauper decks. At my LGS they sell them combined for a total of $10, which is super cheap. For decks like U/B Delver, it is a must because they can go up to $180.
A video from 8 yrs ago and its still helpful to this day thank you prof. I know I most likely wont get a reply cuz the video is almost 10 yrs old buuuut just wanted to say thanks a ton anyways because I just got in the mail recently my very pricey promotional ur dragon card that I plan to use as a dragon commander. I had him (I think) perfect fit sleeved and put him in one of those hard plastic casings buuut I watched this and didnt realize I could have triple protection by putting one of my dragon shields over the perfect fit sleeve. I think my gorgeous promo foil will last a very long time now thank u thank u thank u!!! 😇😇🤘
You can put your deck into even piles and then put a textbook (or other large heavy book) on top of the piles for awhile to get rid of the air pockets
Came back here from the future to pay homage to this classic video of, a now ,1mil subs chanel!
Thanks for posting this. I'll give these sleeves a try.
Really liked your subtle joke when you said about keeping your cardboard in mint condition lol
Just gonna point it out since I only recently found out. While it is true that the older DS sleeves will have the problem mentioned in the video( I almost tore up my cards trying to do it with some black DS sleeves), they appear to have changed how they print sleeves with the newer colors. I know from experience that with Turquoise DS sleeves, double sleeving is very easy, cards slide in perfectly and the perfect fit doesn't ride up like it did with the black sleeves.
Which deck box should I use for a double sleeved Standard deck w/Sideboard?
You can watch my video on Deck Boxes (look at my channel) to see the best kinds: an Ultra Pro Pro-Dual 120 for a budget deck box (about 5 bucks, USD) that holds 2 double-sleeved standard decks, or for something very fancy you can spring for the Ultra Pro Satin Tower (about 10-12 bucks, USD).
I suggest watching my video to see what they look like.
Whilst I agree with you about the protection benefits of double sleeving, I just don't like it from an ergonomic standpoint. I just got into magic and on your recommendation tried double sleeving with the perfect fits and hyper mattes. Double sleeving just made the deck far too thick and unwieldy, and totally ruined the amazing shuffle feel of the KMC Hyper Mattes. I'd sum up double sleeving like this (for me personally):
Pros:
- Great protection for your cards
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- ???
Cons:
- Increases the cost of sleeving your decks by at least 40%+ which in the long run is a fair bit of money
- Deck becomes too thick to shuffle comfortably
- Limits your choice of deck boxes due to extra space required
- Double sleeving is a much more arduous task than single sleeving
- More air gets trapped in your sleeves this way and takes a little while to go away
- The vibrant colours of the artwork on your cards are dulled by the extra layer of plastic
I can see why some people swear by double sleeving, but I just didn't like it ultimately. I think you could have better illustrated the ergonomic effects double sleeving has on a deck, because I find it's enormously significant, and for me and many other people it's a deal breaker. If you have OCD, or a ludicrously expensive deck, knock yourself out. Resleeving cards is a rarity (and I do it gently) and I always play on a playmat with clean hands and keep my deck in it's deckbox when not in use, which is sufficient protection for my sensibilities. YMMV
I use the perfect fit side sleeves with dragon shields for double sleeving.
The professor is so entertaining. Trying to start my own channel. Go take a look got a couple videos up.
Might need a video update on this one. I notice that you insert the card in the inner sleeve by pushing on the bottom edge of the card. When I started double sleeving I used to do this and found that sometimes the fit would be tight and pushing on the bottom edge of the card would accidentally fold and crease the card. A better way is to stick your thumb on the card and have your index finger on the outside bottom of the card. Gently rub your index finger down, with pressure on the sleeve, and push your thumb on the card up as if you were rubbing your thumb against your index finger. This works with just about any fit of perfect fit sleeves and avoids the possibility of creasing a card.
If you have time, could you please make a video specifically addressing the thicknesses of sleeves of the top recommended brands/types? I think the thickness of the sleeves also makes a huge difference in both handle feel and selection of deck boxes. Manufacturer's sites sometimes show a thickness of the sheet (1 layer), or the thickness of the entire sleeve (2 layers), which can be confusing. For example, KMC Perfect Size is marked as 0.10 mm, and KMC Hyper Matte is 0.12 mm, both numbers I believe are 2 layers. Compare that to Dragon Shield, which I believe is actually 0.12 mm per single layer? This means that, a card doubled sleeved with KMC inner and outer is still thinner than a card single sleeved with Dragon Shield. At the same time, a card double sleeved with KMC Perfect Size and Dragon Shield is 50% thicker than that. How does the shuffle feel compare with thickness into consideration? Deck box selection? Finally, while double sleeving of any snug fitting brand seals against water, do double KMC offer the same protection as single Dragon sleeve mechanically, since the thickness is pretty much the same?
I hope you can make a video so I can determine what best to purchase. Thank you!
I try and mention thickness in my sleeve reviews, but I can say this: KMC HYPER MAT has the BEST shuffle feel for double sleeved cards, hands down. They aren't as thick as Dragon Shield, and they have been known to split on rare occasions, but they have the absolute best shuffle feel, especially for a double sleeved deck.
Tolarian Community College Thank you. If you can include some thickness measurements in future sleeve reviews that will be helpful, as double the sleeve thickness between brands will add up to a big height difference in a full deck.
Have you tried the Ultra Pro Pro-Fit? They are designed to be inner sleeves like KMC Perfect Size, and run 2-3 cents per sleeve when bought bulk, vs 4-5 cents per sleeve for KMC. You mentioned Ultra Pro does not stand up to much abuse, but using as a inner sleeve this may not matter as much, and may save some money? Just wondering if you've tested double sleeving compatibility with Pro-Fits.
Thanks!
The Pro-Fits are problematic. They are irregularly sized and often are too small for cards, slightly bending them. I would not recommend them.