Southern Baptists to Vote on Whether Women can be Pastors
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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no man should be voting on something that is clearly defined in the Word
Not everyone believes in that indoctrination
Amen
Who was Phoebe? Romans 16:1 (RSV):
My thought exactly.
Man wrote the word? You forget?
This shouldn't be up for discussion.
No woman should not be a Pastor. Thats not just me thinking or wanting this. But this is Gods will and i follow God over anyone. God warned us of stuff like this.
No woman should not be a pastor?
WRONG
I think that you meant to say “No, a women should not be a pastor”. Punctuation and spelling matter. 😉
I’m with you and I am a woman! The Lord chose 12 men to teach, preach and spread His word. To lead the church. No woman ever chosen. But this is the Jezebel spirit loose all over again. Women have to take plenty of accountability for their contributions to messing up this world. Come quickly Lord! Blessings to you and thank you. If women would only see the gifted creation we are specially to the male counter part, I believe our children wouldn’t be so lost/messed up. Excuse the expression. Blessings to you. From NC.
I am a woman and I can say that women pastors are NOT biblical. As Christians, we must stay true to the word of God.
I am also a woman, and I completely agree with your statement!
God bless you, Sister! 💖🙏💖
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100% agree!
I am a woman, the roles of men and women have been clarified by God in the Bible and He knows best. Women are not supposed to pastor or teach men.
I disagree. Why should woman not preach? Did not Jesus tell the sisters Martha and Mary that religion was more important than women's roles of preparing food or housework? Where'd Christianity be without Mother Mary?
The Bible is very clear about women NOT being Pastors. This should not be up for debate.
So right! It is sickening that the SBC even has enough apostates in it to cause us to have to waste time with something so clear in the Bible.
@@ruckanitepreacher5618Looks like you couldn't wait to get that sickening dig in. These are end times, so it's not the only imperfect church today!
Who was Phoebe? Romans 16:1 (RSV):
We should be more concerned about The ecumenical movement. If you have never listened to Richard Bennett on Berean Beacon channel especially his ecumenical videos warning about pastors leading leading God's children to the Roman Catholic Church.. I highly suggest his ministry to Roman Catholics and non-Roman Catholics as well bc not only does he teach but he clearly BLOWS THE HORN WARNING AGAINST THE PAPACY ❤
QUOTE: "In Christ, all men and women are equal."
I pray for revival in all faithful churches that hold firm to the word of God. I am thankful that I have an independent Baptist Church with a godly pastor who preaches and teaches from the word and will not bend or be moved to bend to the woke agenda. I pray that all other true Baptist churches remain strong in God's word, and refuse to give in to these movements.
St.Paul.
I haven't seen any biblical churches near where I live.
It is not our place to question the sovereignty of God's word.
Women are not pastors
Women can not be pastors. It goes against God's word and is not scriptural. I will continue to follow God's word.
The bible says that women cannot be pastors. Id listen to the scripture!
no it doesn't.
@@rachelm9350It does.
@@rachelm9350 Unfortunately you don't know the bible very well.
Why are they voting on something which God has already determined? Christianity is not a democracy, it is a theocracy; that is, God is Lord.
Soft preaching by the worldly, backslidden, lost?, preachers, and adopting compromising "church growth" garbage has allowed many lost people to infiltrate the SBC churches. This has caused this mess to have to be discussed. We have dipped our colors for pragmatic reasons and we are now paying the piper. I'm sick over this.
The SBC voting its way toward irrelevance.
Doctrine matters!!!
Let's see what my Lord has to said about this ; through thy apostle Paul.
I Timothy 2:12-15
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. [13] For Adam was formed first, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. [15] Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
I Corinthians 14:34-38
Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. [35] And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church. [36] Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? [37] If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord.
We must obey the Bible. God says through Paul no women preachers. I know the Bible as good as any man but I choose to obey teaching women and children, I want a male pastor and one who does not honor mother earth as an idol, no voting for Democrat policies which are against the Bible.
What does the Bible say?
Please see Timothy 3:2.
Men are charged with pastoral duties.
We have seen as he just said. What occurs when we leave the word.
Another falling away!
@@sandraking9650
Not true.
God already voted on it. He said they can’t.
God or St.Paul?
@@janetprice85 I believe I wrote God.
@@janetprice85in 2 Peter3;15-16, Peter identifies the writings of Paul as among the scriptures, which means they are God’s own words delivered through apostles.
Doctrines of men rather than the doctrines of God have always been the ruination of the church.
God hasn't been wrong yet, just stick to the gospel and leave the worldly stuff out of it.
I dont really know the answer to this, but Jesus words was "There is neither male nor female you are All One IN Christ". Jesus also gave Mary Magnolin some kind of order to give the disciples if I remember right that Peter didn`t like because she was a women. I dont remember Jesus HIMSELF saying wemon can not teach, especially after the resurrection. Only Peter/Paul taught that. Just saying, I think it could be a man thing . Jesus was saying we are equal. He said you are all Priests, Kings
Exactly! But also the verses Paul and Peter teach need to be taken in context; and when they are Paul doesn't just tell women to be silent but other members in the church. No one wants to discuss that....because if you read it in Greek these "doctrines" fall flat on their face and women ARE allowed to speak!
Her name was actually Mary Magdalene. I don't believe you meant Magnolin. 1 Timothy 3:2 states that an overseer/pastor is to be the husband [so male] of one wife. Male, and not a player. Women may have ministries, for sure, but not be the senior pastor over a church. Hope this helps!
Nice to know that now we can just change our interpretation of Scripture and vote on it whenever it becomes inconvenient.
Look at the Methodist church. Completely destroyed by liberalism.
The this should NOT even be a conversation. Women should NOT be pastors!!
Excuse me, who are they to vote on something like that? Was God not clear in His word? Ridiculous
JOEL 2:28
"28 ¶ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."
Great verse on gifts, but it doesn't state women should be an overseeing senior pastor of a church, although they do have ministries other that that. Refer to 1 Timothy 3:2 to see that pastors are male.
No. Keep to the Word of God please.
Women are not to Pastor a congregation or have authority over me in the body of Christ.
THIS IS COMPLETELY CLEAR AND BIBLICAL.
* I'm a woman btw & accept the truth of Gods Word.
I'm not going to argue with ANYONE...take it up with God.
Feminism/Pride is manifesting in theses last days.
Women can teach other women & children, have women's bible studies, witness, testify, be missionaries.
WHY isn't that enough??? If a woman says God "Called her" to have the office of a Pastor in the body of Christ, she is deceived, lost & not being led by The Holy Spirit...I don't care what anyone says.
People need to get out of their feelings & into the Word.
Be the light.
Excellent comment. You are absolutely right.
Now is it against God’s Will to allow female pastors or was it simply a preference of Paul not to have female pastors? When Paul said he didn’t allow it was it a Divinely inspired thought ?
"ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God..." It isn't up to man to decide what is and isn't inspired scripture. Once you start down that path, you can use it to toss out anything you find inconvenient.
I pray they vote no! Bible scripture is clear on this. No woman should be a pastor or lead in any way in a church!
They should not be considering it even less voting for it.
The SBC went off the rails decades ago when they tried to start exercising authority over local churches. Once you start down the unscriptural path this is where you end up. Doesn't shock me a bit.
This should not even be a Topic. You all Don't know what Gods Word says? God is Sovereign 💪. Thankful for the Apostle Paul.
Take as many votes as they wish, and it will not change the plain teaching of the Bible!
Ah yes, the Holy Book, wherein God laid down His law then put it to a vote....
A gifted woman teacher can teach youth and women!!!!!
We shouldn't even have to vote on something that the Bible has so clearly spoken on. This is very disturbing.
Satans deceit just continues and continues in the church!
They can vote but what does Bible says .
The Bible clearly says men are to be the preachers the leaders . Women Sunday school teacher yes, but not to be a preacher . Sorry Joyce that does the so called preaching . The men do that .
No way Jose
The narrative about the denial of Pastoral authority to women is not specific to Paul's culture, and only applicable for his day. ...Paul clearly teaches it's been that way since the beginning going right back to the Garden of Eden, that's why he speaks of the fall when refiring to women and authority. He teaches this Command transcends time, as long as the age of man lasts, and the Church exists till Christ returns.
1 Timothy 2:11-14 (LSB): 11 A woman must learn in quietness, in all submission.
12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
13 For it was Adam who was first formed, and then Eve.
14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into trespass.
Honor God and do not cause division
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1 Corinthians 14:34,35. Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak, ....
Why is this even an issue?
Absolutely sick. I feel bad for any woman who has to deal with these “Christian” men who are so hateful towards them.
As a Completed Jewess(Beliver in Christ) and a Southern Baptist, if my denomination goes for women or gays in the pulpit, I will leave and go to a bible church. No way!
The only vote that matters is GODS , and he said no .
actually He said yes. Because the first women preachers were the two women who went to the empty tomb then had to tell everyone else... what did they tell them.. the ... wait for it.. GOOD NEWS of the resurrection.
GROW UP MANCHILD!
@@rachelm9350 that in no way says they were pastors preachers or leaders of men . That called bad hermeneutics and bending GODS word to what you want it to say . Context matters
Amen 🙏
Because the women went first, not the men! Go tell applies to everyone, but it doesn’t mean to teach the Word in a pastoral atmosphere!
Thanks Lord for your peace
Thanks Lord for your salvation
Thanks Lord for bible study class
if women pastors were Biblical, then they can vote, but as far as I know, it isnt Biblical, and women are to be silent, unless running women's groups. Yet I see a lot of women pastors which seems weird.
leadership is male, not up for debate
1 Corinthians Chapter 14 v 33-37 it is Sin and Rebellion to have Women Pastors and for it is a command and you will not be recognized.
There shouldn't be any debate. What does the word of GOD say?
If a church decides to go against the word of GOD then they're not a church that follows the Bible and The God of the Bible , in JESUS name
Whatever they vote it has been overruled by the word of God. They need to repent of their rebellion against God!
Power. Pure and simple.
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The assertion the ALL denominations the allow for women be in ministry end up “affirming” is a This a straw man if I’ve ever seen one.
I have been involved with several evangelical fellowships/ Denominations which have had some official recognition of women ministers for decades or since their inception a century ago.
These denominational credentials range from “women’s ordination”, “licensed Minister” some even “ordained”. Sometimes these women are lead pastors, but more often they’re CE pastors, assistant pastors hospital and prison chaplains, Bible college/seminary professors etc.
NOT ONE of these denominations show any signs of become “affirming”. I won’t post the names so not to arouse nitpicking of my past church BUT
I’ll offer one denomination(that I have not been involved with) that has had women ministers for almost 170 years and is not “affirming”… The Salvation Army
Why bother getting dressed up and driving to and from any Church if you are not going to learn about what is in the Bible?? Billy Sunday said " YOU CAN SIT IN A PEW EVERY WEEK BUT THAT WILL NOT MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN, JUST LIKE SITTING IN A GARAGE EVERY WEEK WILL NOT MAKE YOU A CAR". If you THINK you can " fudge" on what God said you will wake up in the Lake of Fire when your time is up. Too bad so sad.
A VOTE ???/ WOMEN SHOULDN'T BE PASTORS JUST READ THE BIBLE!!!!THE ONLY WOMEN PASTORS I'VE HEARD OF ARE IN AFRICA AND WHY BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY CHRISTIAN MEN TO TAKE THE JOB BUT THE WOMEN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BELIEVING MAN BE PASTOR!!!!!
This video was 10% about the thumbnail. We are better than this, right?
More political than biblical. As an example or a snapshot of how Christianity is in the US. Let’s go back to the beginning and let’s follow the Bible as a light unto our feet and a lamp to our paths SEARCH the Scriptures!
I Timothy 3:2 clearly states that the bishop should be the husband of one wife. (Pastor, bishop, and elder all refer to the same office in the church). Genesis 1:27 tells how God made male and female genders. The LGBTQ movement wants to pervert the clear statement of Scripture as found in the KJV version of the Bible. By subverting this verse in Genesis, it sets up the subversion of the roll of women in the church as found in 1 Timothy 3:1-7. Nowhere in these verses does it say “she”. It says “he” throughout. Case closed - no female Pastors!
Refer to the Word of God... oh, wait.. that's not popular (even among many "Christians") It's clear. Women are not to pastor churches but that doesn't mean they can't teach other women and lead bible studies. So, why is that such a bad thing?
Absolutely not .
The scripture was written by men at a time when women were just chattels. Try to have one original thought.
It's funny how people preach about Jesus but don't preach the same message that Jesus preached - the Kingdom of Heaven has returned to Earth. Jesus plainly explained his mission for being on Earth in Luke 4:41 And lastly set the priority of all of mankind in Matthew 6:33. The Kingdom of God is a Government ruled by our Father Yahweh - the King of Glory. Democracy is not found anywhere in the Bible because it's based on Paganism. Just like any other religion created by man. According to our Lord Jesus, Pagans pursuit their own provision every day through the practice of religion and set their own rules contrary to the rules set by the Kingdom of God.
Do these pastors even read their Bibles? 1 Timothy 3:2 "husband of one wife"
LEAVE the SBC!
It is not biblical for woman to lead the church
Leave the church then .
Gross
Warren know that
"And strike, and strike, and stike, and strike, and strike......"
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" I hear the sound of abundance of rain, I hear the sound of Victory"
Wasn't the last administrations white house pastor a woman?
Why can't they vote on if homosexuals can be pastors? What is the basis for their voting? Anyway the following scripture has to be fulfilled.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
So far as most are concerned I’m at least an ideological conservative. I have serious concerns about an elected bench at any level.
No female pastor's!
From genesis to Revelation there is no women pastor, please stop this human idea crazy 🤣😛
Feminism > The Word
That is what causes discord in churches conferences and conventions !
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lets see , BAPTIST are the last ones ! or are they ?
That is what you called blasphemy. I’ll be careful God judges.
Yall be careful
Nope.
This is the endgame of Sola Scriptura. The notion that the Bible alone is our final authority so it's up for individual interpretation irrespective of tradition or historical consistency. That's why there are thousands of Protestant denominations because everyone has different ideas about "what scripture clearly teaches". I can't take Protestant churches seriously anymore and decided to leave it for the Orthodox church where the teachings of Jesus have been preserved and correctly applied for nearly 2,000 years.
Wrong. There are thousands of Protestant denominations because while they pay lip service about the Bible being the sole authority, they don't really treat it like it's the final authority. Christ said God's Word is truth(Jhn 17:17), therefore it SHOULD be the sole authority on Christian matters. The fact that Protestants don't want to submit to the authority of the Bible doesn't mean it's the Bible's fault.
These people better read their Bible. Gods word says NO.
then why did Jesus appear to women first at the tomb and THEY preached the good news of the resurrected Jesus????
I go by scripture, and if you don't, you WILL Serve everlasting life in hell.
God already weighed in on this, the answer is no. Thanks for playing the let’s mess with Gods word game.
Do you love Jesus??........Do you love his church??
The great falling away is coming
Once you start voting on it, it's a done deal.
Is it just me or is the guy in orange seem like a pretend conservative? Seems like he might actually be the devil’s advocate instead of just playing it.
As woman where said to teach the woman ,the church could make woman groups?.
The word used is train, it refers to discipleship, not preaching.
@@andyb619 isn't it the same ?.what is a female diciple to hear to be discipled?.The preaching of the gospel?.plus what are disciples to do ?.
@@andyb619 twisting of semantics. its the same thing! Grow up.
@@rachelm9350 funny how you call proper exposition “twisting of semantics”. There is no basis in scripture for the female pastor/teacher. Titus 2:4 tells older women to ‘train’ the younger women to be “self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands”. It relates to Christian living within the Biblical framework. 1 Timothy 2:2 says “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.” Its rationale is the creational order “Adam was formed first, then Eve” not culture. Elsewhere in Timothy it sets out the requirements of an Elder or Deacon (the two office holders) and they must be the “husband of one wife” and “able to teach”. Women can pray and prophesy (with their head covered for the angles 1 Corinthians 11). Women can sing. Women can do everything else. Why partake of the one thing God expressly says no to when there are so many other trees in the guardian, so to speak, from which you may eat!
@@stephanieblack2965 The Bible does not forbid women teaching other women the gospel, or disciple them within the local church. There is no scriptural basis for teaching ministries that are not based in a church, however. A women’s group outside of the church would be a gathering (church) without elders because an exclusively female group would lack a biblical elder per the requirements of Biblical eldership in 1 Timothy. I’m happy with women teaching other women within the church that teach other women and train them in the way set out in Titus 2:4, but this is not a preaching ministry; this is a one to one leadership ministry. It is a critical ministry in fact!
I like women pastors. There are female prophets.
It isn't a question of liking female "pastors" or not. Truth isn't subject to fads and/or the whims of men.
women cannot take authority over men.. its not liking or disliking, feeling or no feeling.. no women pastoring..ok
The prophetic and pastoral offices are NOT the same. Read about what God did to Miriam when she tried to elevate herself to Moses' lvl of being both a prophet and God's minister to the ppl. God struck her with leprosy and made her think about her foolishness outside the camp for a whole week. Only a man can be both prophet and minister, and even then, they'd have to be an apostle to wield the authority of both offices.
They're voting on whether God said what He said in the bible or not.
Seriously though. The wife of the pastor.. is unpaid help in so- many duties. You are messing THAT tradition up.. badly
It's not a tradition, it's a command and requirement...
How is it unpaid, can you see what reward in Heaven looks like?
Alexander Hamilton who was raised fatherless had a mom who provided books for home schooling. Alex set up the financial system for America. Offspring need one on one. Women in the home teaching environment make a massive difference! God knows what he is doing!
The Bible says that women are not supposed to preach but be silent in the church period
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TAX THE CHURCH
Since women are to be silent in the churches, maybe there’s a deaf church where they can “sign”
The Assemblies of GOD
Denomination has always had female pastors and is not woke or liberal.
Were there any women with a degree in Torah when Paul said that?
JESUS is our example and final authority.
Women were prophets and judges in Israel. HE did not change that precedent. Paul did not ordain women. He did study Torah formally. His choice. Pray, Vote your conscience.
The current Pope does not allow female priests but is "reconsidering" many bible based catholic doctrines.
Not his choices to make.
1 Timothy 3:2 states senior pastors/overseers are to be the husband [and therefore male] of one wife. From a biblical perspective, a woman can't be a husband! Hope this helps bring clarity. 🙏
Tim Scott would be the worst possible option.
Thank you SBC for standing up for Biblical truth! Women stay silent in my church and take their place nurturing children and preparing post service meals. It's time the rest of God's bride follows his word!
Disgusting and misogynist.
You’re sick. Please don’t beat them and harm the children. They are people too.
You gotta be kidding!
Erick Erickson… what a hunk
1 Timothy 3:2 (NET)
The overseer then must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, an able teacher,
1 Timothy 5:9 (NET)
No widow should be put on the list unless she is at least sixty years old, was the wife of one husband,
Titus 1:6 (NET)
An elder must be blameless, the husband of one wife, with faithful children who cannot be charged with dissipation or rebellion.
Do you ordain single men?
Make them superintendent or town elders?
Luke Ch 2:36-39 The Holy BibleTeaches of A Prophetess & Even theres suppose to be A Gospel of Mary Magdalene & Even The OT Teaches of Female Prophetess's, But Theres Never Been A Female High Priest ir Any Priest in Israels 🇮🇱 History in The Bible
Why is this a thing? Theres plenty of female pasters.. this shouldnt be a problem.
and this is a sign of things to come, as we fall further into apostasy by allowing women to preach over men, let alone have authority in the Church to preach. Women have a very special role in the Church, and a separate role from the Man, and when we live in accordance with God's will, both Men and Women find their lives fulfilling and blessed. I see this in our church (independent Baptist church) and other faithful Baptist churches.
Yes and we see where that has led in those demonminations that can gone that route in complete option to this role as defined by God.
have you read the Bible?
The SBC is stuck in 1920. They would also prob not want women to vote if they had their full ways.
@@rachelm9350 have you read the Bible regarding women in church leadership?