You know the film is a psyop because they didn't include "in Minecraft" at the end of the title. As we all know, that is the only safe way to talk about these things
@@ultravioletiris6241 It's okay, if they try to Ender's Game us, we'll just have to realise that everything they're saying is rooted in creepy biological determinism nonsense and nope the fuck out
@@ultravioletiris6241 Incidentally I read somewhere Ender's Game is used as a teaching tool in US-Imperial military collages. There's a sad thought for you.. T.T
@@ultravioletiris6241 ooof I feel dirty now after Googling that. I helped make a Mod of Battlefield 2 which depicted a war in Ukraine, where German tanks were involved >15 years ago and even visited the country later due to my interest in it. The other conflict we depicted in our Mod was in Sudan.
The author: “Keep in mind, all revolutionary action should be rooted in the masses, not carried about by small groups who have taken it on themselves” The director: “So anyway, this small, ragtag group of young people”
that’s adventurism and focoism for you. anyone wishing to retain the “right to fight” on the level of rules of warfare (a higher level than international law) must respect the concepts of non-combatants and proportionality. Anything else will be labeled terrorism, not only by reactionaries but by those who might sympathize with your oppression and come to your aid otherwise.
How the fuck could something like this ever be “rooted in the masses”? You realize that most people will never support something like this, right? Especially not in America?!
A CIA counter-terrorism official working on a guide to make explosives next to an interactive map of targets. Take Action! How trustworthy. The people who made this film should be deeply ashamed.
His inclusion of that little line of "they wanted to see it done right for once" makes it feel a lot more insidious than just naive. If it really showed it accurately, why would you advertise it? It seemed he wanted to be sure to emphasize that the movie's depictions are accurate, wink wink I'll think I've seen it all and stuff like this blows my mind all over again. This whole video was such a trip, I said "what the f..." out loud multiple times. Bizarre reality we live in, even in 2023, it seems we literally have government and military officials producing Hollywood propaganda to kill/detain leftists. The real movie is reality, and it's a horror film.
Great video! It's extremely important to look out for potential PsyOps and misinformation pushed by our enemies. It's also very important to avoid adventurism in our movement, since that only disconnects us from the masses. Very informative video!
@@seekingabsolution1907 Kinda, it’s how much Mass support it has. If an org is acting alien from the masses, it’s adventurism. It’s gotta politically elevate the masses higher before it does these sorts of actions
I can't know for sure what the filmmakers intention was, but it _seems_ like an attempt to not only dilute the message of the book, but also to lure left leaning young people into danger. It looks like a poison pill.
Obviously it's not something that you can say too easily in a published video, but it certainly looks like that to a lay person given the concerns raised here.
Indeed, the film completely contradicts the book, which explicitly states that small groups operating independently _without_ the balance of a popular *non-violent* mass movement are destined to fail.
@@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744 yes, the book is wrong. The author is a filthy liberal. Not once has revolutionary action ever been taken by "the masses" as the masses necessarily gravitate towards the status quo. Revolutionary action serves to usurp power into the hands of the revolutionary vanguard and, to a lesser extent, to inspire the masses towards greater action
@@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744 Exactly. It is also why most militant left movements failed, while some like in Palestine and Vietnam succeeded. Do the shit underground while at the surface act peacefully to gain people's trust. Our Changing Climate also has a perfect video about the subject which is titled "What it really takes to solve the climate crisis"
When I saw this film I did wonder how something that pretty clearly encourages destruction of property as a form of political action was allowed to be released, I thought it was too optimistic also to act like you can be an informant for the FBI, double cross and lie to them and get away scot free, that just seems to be wish fulfillment those bastards are vindictive and smart. I suppose the answer is that it was defanged before release so it not longer poses a significant threat.
Does anyone seriously think that somebody is going to watch this movie as an actual 'How to' guide for making explosives? The film makers went far enough with the technical details to make it plausible looking, for the sake of versimilitude to an average cinema-goer, but surely nobody is thick enough to think that a movie that got a mainstream cinema release is going to lay out step by step instructions for them to make a bomb..
Turns out films that aren't documentaries and are meant to be fiction, pretty weird. Seems implausible in fact, must be a grand conspiracy to trick Zoomers into picking Bad Ideology and not Good Ideology. I'm sure there's a name for the phenomenon whereby anything MLs dislike is somehow a result of CIA machinations.
I’m not unsympathetic to the overall messaging here, but I kind of think that anyone who seriously attempts to use a movie as their primary guide for handling explosives is competing hard for a Darwin Award.
Exactly I'm pretty sure anyone serious enough to bomb something would find a better source of information than a film like this. I expect the filmmakers meant to avoid making their film a bomb-making manual, and tbh, that's fair enough in my view.
Meh, How? Lots of movies have been made like this, kind of like; Monkey Wrench Gang, Steal This Movie, and a few others in american can think of. Even if the movie was 'legit', we could both assume the liberalism is naivity and that they could be perfectly legitimate projects that exists as nothing but products of proffit driven co-optation we see with quite literally everything in cinema. x
@@svodcat7524 I refuse to believe any material that gives real advice on making destructive devices would be allowed to spread among people. Hell, even books with shoddy advice are often banned, like "The Anarchist Cookbook".
@@basedcomrade1595 That's a weird thing not to believe because it is demonstratably wrong with even a tiny piece of applying some thinking to it: They are spreading among normal people though, through any chemistry textbook but also, again from the american standpoint, through presses like Loompanics who explicitly specialized in this kind of edgy literature or Lyle Stuart who, as per your example, published 'The Anarchist Cookbook", which, again as your example, was not banned anywhere except the UK and AUS per my understanding.
@@svodcat7524 Damn, I did not know any of that. My bad, I assumed that any sort of material that would educate people on these matters would be too dangerous for the government to allow, but it seems I'm wrong. Still, I'd imagine it's deliberately left obscure; some of the people you mention are ones I believe many don't know about, for instance.
@@basedcomrade1595 The government doesn't have that much control over indie films. They do have a lot of control over advertising though. It's easy to publish basically anything, much harder to have it seen.
that whole bit from 11:10 to 11:38 is such a wild misinterpretation. The film does not in any sense function as and is clearly not in any sense intended to be an actual guide for building a bomb or blowing up a pipeline. It uses the title in the exact same way the book does, because it is an adaptation of the book. I haven't finished the video yet because I'm curious about the specific issues, but the idea that anybody would actually try to build a bomb using the movie as a tutorial without actually finding a real guide on how to build a bomb is very silly. The content of the movie and the point of the movie is the characters and their journeys lol like most movies. I agree that the informant twist is optimistic and a bit ridiculous, but narratively it's super fun to watch play out and I think they make it believable. It's definitely a very dramatic movie, it's super grounded on some levels but narratively it's far more interested in showing the heroism and struggle of these characters. Like you can't possibly fathom why leftists would be interested in making a cool heist movie about adventurism?? It seems very clear to me idk this movie rocks and y'all aren't engaging with it on the levels that it's operating on.
It's like they went with the Fight Club method of showing the recipes. Show 80% of the ingredients with a slight misdirection, that results in just a toxic chemical mess, instead of an explosive.
Andreas Malm is not a psy-op, I didn't know they made a movie though! Edit omfg what is this movie oh no oh god, I was wrong you were right, this is a psy op lmao
Excellent video, comrade! I'm glad you weere able to get a genuine expert on to talk about this! The moment I heard "US counterterrorism military officer", I knew that it had to be sus! Banger video, full of explosive content. :P Also, mega thanks for your Queer Liberation stream!
This movie is good actually. I lost my flashlight once and to look for it, i played this movie on my phone. The glowie particles shined a bright light rendering my torch useless but hey, i found it!
I think the problem with the film in general is that we are ascribing advanced revolutionary theories and ideologies to non-revolutionary non-marxists who believe in the "great man theory." It took me personally A LOT of reading to fully understand not just the concepts of adventurism and opportunism but also their ineffectiveness. The most effective art is emotional so the philosophy of "sensations not doctrines, experiences not dogmas, memories not philosophies" appear in all media, otherwise they are characterized as "didactic." All this leads to the conclusion that if you try hard enough, you personally without the benefit of mass movement, can affect change.
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There are a lot of emotional material of individual people in actually existing mass struggles but they deliberately choose not to use them.
@TheAnthraxBiology This is false. Friedrich Engels, co-author of The Communist Manifesto himself, observed communist relations of production in full force prior to the Cromwellian genocide. Read for yourself: twitter.com/MarxistPaul/status/1615645241125621760?s=20 Hopefully this obvious error that you've espoused (claiming this analysis originates solely with Connolly, when both Marx and Engels themselves agreed upon it) will give you pause. It appears your university student arrogance has gotten the better of you. I've studied these matters for many years, and the relations of production within Gaelic Ireland were indeed undoubtedly communist, albeit with certain seeds of class society beginning to emerge (primarily imported through the vikings, etc.), though this was impossible to fully enforce across the island due to the lack of any centralised slave or feudal state apparatus. Prior to Cromwell in the Gaelic Irish territories, that is.
Malms book is great tbh. It’s a sincere call to action to move beyond modern protest tactics that have proven non effective. I was skeptical of the film and figured it was a capitalist attempt at co-opting and diluting activist movements.
Good video, thanks for covering it. Despite its shortcomings, I really enjoyed the movie and appreciated the sentiments espoused. I hope that it brings more attention to Malm's book, which is one of my favourites ever.
A movie with that title and that story would not receive funding unless the US state department wanted it to get made, and we have to question why they would want to make that movie. But they did, and they _just so happened_ to get a Harvard grad to direct it (Harvard being a breeding ground for CIA ops)...seems legit.
That's not true at all... Wtf... I discovered this channel as a super leftist, who also happens to be in the industry... Is this what everyone on this channel thinks? Is this the extreme other polar end of Qanon!?
Ive met Malm briefly not long ago and was excited when i discovered that there was a movie seemingly based on the book. I thought it was some indie documentary and was quite surprised when i saw familiar actors in a fictional story, it rang some really suspicious bells. Def looked like the usual green washing neoliberalism, but now in cinema. Knowing antiterrorist military ppl helped in the making of it....lol
I don't think that the movie is intended to be a genuine blueprint for explosive-making (I think it would show incredibly poor judgement to copy explosive-making from a movie and that it's unlikely for serious activists to end up doing that), but it's worthwhile highlighting where reality and media diverge, just to make sure people don't fuck up too badly.
One of things my mother taught me was to not trust everything I see on the internet. It's a lesson that's served me very well in the 20 years i've been surfing the net
To me, seeing that chart of the US with all the oil pipelines, it seems like it's mocking activists. It puts it in front of our nose and tells us "do it" knowing full well, no one's gonna do it. And this might be the true goal of this movie: To discourage us and lower our morale. Those are my two cents. But to be honest, I think that the biggest chance is that the film maker was genuine, but just a bit of a dummy.
The thing is that blowing up a pipeline doesn't require organizing or coalition building, it's a way an individual can act without needing to collaborate with larger structures. So it falls outside of the purview of conventional leftist discourse. But on the other hand, that's why the movie's self-defeating. You don't need to convince a movement to blow up a pipeline, instead of making the movie you should have just blown up a fn pipeline
Individual actions do very little. Even disregarding everything Paul mentioned about individual actions and lacking organisation... What is to be done while all those involved are sent to prison and the pipeline is rebuilt? What structures are there in place to prevent rebuilding? Are there any propaganda / media campaigns in place to fight the inevitable media backlash and subsequent lack of support from the general public? What about the rest of the pipelines in the country? Who will protect those who receive potential retaliation from the police (or even military's) terror campaign to prevent further attacks?
@@caramelldansen2204they're good questions. So is the question "do we have time for that?" Do we even have another decade to build the kind of support needed for a "proper" revolution, or have we been peacefully ineffective for too long? If so, what other options are there? I don't have an answer to either set of questions. I also haven't heard great answers from either side.
This film seems like it was meant to weed out the people who would want to act as the protagonists did. Heroes? No. The film is a perfect example of what NOT to do. You know you’ve been infiltrated? GTFO and regroup elsewhere/how. You hear of people getting ready to do this in the name of your cause? Bring them in and temper them. The want to act is strong in some, but wisdom on the how and when are necessary, which is the heart of the book that the movie missed completely.
Hi man,have you ever considered doing a video in irish simply with English subtitles? It would warm my sardinian heart hearing topics as important as the ones that you touch being talked about in endangered languages
Was reluctant to watch as i really liked this book (and read movie as book because despite being fully grown i can't read properly lol) but in the end I really liked it, also, interesting guest! Did you talk to him anywhere else? New viewier, subbed. Greetings from an anarchist. :)
I think there are some aspects of Malms analysis and proposed strategies (he calls "eco-leninism") that are worth criticizing. I think a video by you of how marxist could ally or intervene with the climate justice movement would be great as well!
I remember when I saw stuff about this movie a few years ago it gave me bad vibes. My reasoning was that if a pipeline is blown up, that can lead to an oil spill and immediately cause damage that could be avoided if it were somehow shut down directly and cleared out before being removed, but I didn't know about how unsafe a lot of the stuff in the movie really was.
Did you read the book? Malm makes it pretty clear why people did have blown up pipelines in the past and why they needed to. Idk that the reality really applies to the movie though.
@@Sirzacharia I didn't, but I can imagine that there are situations where it wouldn't result in an oil spill like if it was new or something. I'm just guessing that the ones people would want to blow up would've been in use for some time and could lead to a spill if precautions aren't taken like an oil catcher or something (but then, an explosion could lead to oil being burned if it's a pipeline that's in use, which is also a problem). Really it sounds like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
The problem with critiques of adventurism is that waiting for mass movements to start or trying to start one on your own is at best too slow. 70% of people are apathetic dead weight.
I recall the actors/writers being interviewed saying the inaccuracies are on purpose so the actions are less likely to be copycatted. I can assume good intentions; but depicting a mass movement in film seems to be a challenge for the artists..
Great video as always, the basic safest way to make those "things" is to read and educate yourself in chemistry, always have the room with the ac on and never ever smoke.
This raises the question of how they ended up consulting with the US military people. Impossible to know, of course, but at least this can serve as a good "teachable moment". :)
They were interviewed recently in some leftist podcast I follow (I don't remember which one, I follow too many). I'm not exactly sure about that. Maybe they just made mistakes, considering they have no experience on direct action?
It's very possible that everyone making this film is just naive, with little or no real-life political experience, and this potentially led to them taking the US military officials at face value without assuming any kind of ulterior motive. That's probably the best-case scenario, assuming the best intentions of everyone involved. Hopefully that's all it was, and hopefully this video will reach them and they will realise that they've released something which could potentially cause a lot of harm to young environmental activists. We've contacted both Andreas Malm and Daniel Goldhaber, so we'll see how things go. Hopefully they will respond and we'll be able to advance the conversation on this further
@@Marxism_Today I mea it's possible, but it's still wild to think that they might not have suspected an ulterior motive from a high up counter terrorism guy
There was a movie, hopefully I'm not misremembering the name or attributing it to another, I think it was called "This Movie/Film Is Not Yet Rated", that had a segment on how the US military must be directly involved in a movie to get any sorts of props/uniforms from the army and it must be "supervised" by and its script "analyzed" by military officials both to get access to props and even to get released, and any negative portrayal, be it of fictional individual soldiers or the US military as a whole, basically is a cause for censorship/re-writing the entire script or getting outright banned, even somrthig as minor as showing an American soldier getting drunk is absolutely not allowed to be shown, so you'd just need to put two and two together in regards to depiction of actual war crimes committed by the US military from SA against Iraqi women and the murder of children in Baghdad by American troops to more broad campaigns like the abuse of people detained in US military prisons and the Highway of Death; it is basically beyond taboo to show the evils of American imperialism and the human rights violations committed by the US military and NATO Empire jackboots in general, so it would never be allowed in film (aside from documentaries); I wonder if this would have any effect on the movie discissed here, if there is a similar thing regarding pro-FBI propaganda and censorship or involvement of the state department in "supervision" of the filmmaking and "analysis" of the script and forcing edits and re-writing the script to get their approval and a release of movies that have relevant subject matter
Excellent video, connecting the questions I had about the film. Seriously depressing we can't get truly radical films like Battle of Algiers made these days and instead we get fantasies like this and Sci-Fi
Your videos are great❤, especially about communism❤. I hope all of your videos will be translated into Arabic ؛ There is no Arabic content that talks about communism so richly
Why all the anxiety about this movie teaching people how to commit a crime. Hundreds of crime films have been released with out disclaimers. Start with Malteses Falcon. The Godfather didn’t warn viewers from joining the Mafia. Thelma and Louise did worry about someone in the audience driving off a cliff. Relax. Enjoy. Its only a movie!
Kinda reminds me of La Chinoise. Which is a condemnation of adventurism and individual terrorist actions. Although note, I do think that movie implies maoists are adventurists which is of course a problem
Godard was a very active maoist though? La Chinoise was a self critique piece at the attitudes espoused by suburban and metropolitan french maoists at the time.
Oh that makes sense, idk I don't know much, it just seemed to me that it was kinda saying that ML was the reasonable choice but MLM is extremists. Of course I have not thoroughly analyzed it and could have missed some nuance
@@blooblerdoobler you should read about it then. Mao is a good read overall, his contribution is important to analyze. Especially the great cultural revolution.
@ingen6799 thanks for suggesting so, I've read mao, and am I'm the process of reading more mao. I am a learning MLM. He's very insightful, I meant Moreso that I wasn't educated at all on the intended messages of La Chinoise
No but these are poor things to call us. We aren't BT, Dan. Dans twenty tokes over our limits in here and an insult if sitting on our line. This is our yellow & blue. It goes to the alley. It's in. It's too close to leave us out of the company colors from here to there.
Great stuff, Paul and Donal! 26:59 I have to ask, when the text says "the Group of International Communists," was it referring to Trotskyists? The rest of the text that's shown makes it seem even more likely, given it seems to be coming from an anti-ML place (using the same kind of shallow "criticisms" and phrases associated with Trotskyism). If I'm mistaken, that's good! But that's definitely the impression I got.
thanks for the interest in the book! The 'GIC' existed briefly in the 1920s, after the failed German revolution. The main personality in it was a guy called Jan Appel. They would be now included in the mix of what is called "council communist", although neither I nor my co-author Tom would consider ourselves as such at all. We are not really impressed by any other authors from that tradition, except for Appel. Our book is based on his work, and more modern developments in cybernetics. We would be equally critical of Trotskyism and Anarchism - for very different reasons. Anyway, I hope you'll keep an eye out for it, I promise that our critiques will definitely not be "shallow"!
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You know the film is a psyop because they didn't include "in Minecraft" at the end of the title. As we all know, that is the only safe way to talk about these things
They’re going to Ender’s Game us into blowing up real pipelines when we think we’re just playing Minecraft lol
@@ultravioletiris6241 It's okay, if they try to Ender's Game us, we'll just have to realise that everything they're saying is rooted in creepy biological determinism nonsense and nope the fuck out
@@ultravioletiris6241 Incidentally I read somewhere Ender's Game is used as a teaching tool in US-Imperial military collages.
There's a sad thought for you.. T.T
@@svodcat7524 if you wanna get depressed, look up “FICINT” (fictional intelligence)
@@ultravioletiris6241 ooof I feel dirty now after Googling that. I helped make a Mod of Battlefield 2 which depicted a war in Ukraine, where German tanks were involved >15 years ago and even visited the country later due to my interest in it. The other conflict we depicted in our Mod was in Sudan.
The author: “Keep in mind, all revolutionary action should be rooted in the masses, not carried about by small groups who have taken it on themselves”
The director: “So anyway, this small, ragtag group of young people”
that’s adventurism and focoism for you. anyone wishing to retain the “right to fight” on the level of rules of warfare (a higher level than international law) must respect the concepts of non-combatants and proportionality.
Anything else will be labeled terrorism, not only by reactionaries but by those who might sympathize with your oppression and come to your aid otherwise.
This is what maoists have done where I'm from too though.
@@theyabib3323 Of course it’s what Maoists have done, that’s *all* Maoists do.
@@Jmetclaf7053 Don't tell that to the maker of this video. 🤫
How the fuck could something like this ever be “rooted in the masses”? You realize that most people will never support something like this, right? Especially not in America?!
A CIA counter-terrorism official working on a guide to make explosives next to an interactive map of targets. Take Action!
How trustworthy.
The people who made this film should be deeply ashamed.
I feel like trusting anyone 'high up in US counterterrorism' is at best naive. Have none of these people heard of cointelpro? And at worst, well...
His inclusion of that little line of "they wanted to see it done right for once" makes it feel a lot more insidious than just naive. If it really showed it accurately, why would you advertise it? It seemed he wanted to be sure to emphasize that the movie's depictions are accurate, wink wink
I'll think I've seen it all and stuff like this blows my mind all over again. This whole video was such a trip, I said "what the f..." out loud multiple times. Bizarre reality we live in, even in 2023, it seems we literally have government and military officials producing Hollywood propaganda to kill/detain leftists. The real movie is reality, and it's a horror film.
Great video! It's extremely important to look out for potential PsyOps and misinformation pushed by our enemies. It's also very important to avoid adventurism in our movement, since that only disconnects us from the masses. Very informative video!
Thanks Brandon! Really glad you found it useful. Hopefully the video will get out to the people who really need to see it and help prevent some harm
What makes the difference between an organisation being part of a movement and it being adventurism, is it just size?
@@seekingabsolution1907 Kinda, it’s how much Mass support it has. If an org is acting alien from the masses, it’s adventurism. It’s gotta politically elevate the masses higher before it does these sorts of actions
@@brandon6533 this is lib brained bullshit
@@brandon6533like throw soup on an oilpainting?
I can't know for sure what the filmmakers intention was, but it _seems_ like an attempt to not only dilute the message of the book, but also to lure left leaning young people into danger. It looks like a poison pill.
Obviously it's not something that you can say too easily in a published video, but it certainly looks like that to a lay person given the concerns raised here.
Indeed, the film completely contradicts the book, which explicitly states that small groups operating independently _without_ the balance of a popular *non-violent* mass movement are destined to fail.
@@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744 yes, the book is wrong. The author is a filthy liberal.
Not once has revolutionary action ever been taken by "the masses" as the masses necessarily gravitate towards the status quo. Revolutionary action serves to usurp power into the hands of the revolutionary vanguard and, to a lesser extent, to inspire the masses towards greater action
It IS a poison pill. It basically guides you to b*ow yourself up. They literally got advice from the FBI in order to make this documentary.
@@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744 Exactly. It is also why most militant left movements failed, while some like in Palestine and Vietnam succeeded. Do the shit underground while at the surface act peacefully to gain people's trust. Our Changing Climate also has a perfect video about the subject which is titled "What it really takes to solve the climate crisis"
When I saw this film I did wonder how something that pretty clearly encourages destruction of property as a form of political action was allowed to be released, I thought it was too optimistic also to act like you can be an informant for the FBI, double cross and lie to them and get away scot free, that just seems to be wish fulfillment those bastards are vindictive and smart. I suppose the answer is that it was defanged before release so it not longer poses a significant threat.
My man didn't pull an IRA member to talk about DIY Bombs hahahahahaah
Does anyone seriously think that somebody is going to watch this movie as an actual 'How to' guide for making explosives? The film makers went far enough with the technical details to make it plausible looking, for the sake of versimilitude to an average cinema-goer, but surely nobody is thick enough to think that a movie that got a mainstream cinema release is going to lay out step by step instructions for them to make a bomb..
Turns out films that aren't documentaries and are meant to be fiction, pretty weird. Seems implausible in fact, must be a grand conspiracy to trick Zoomers into picking Bad Ideology and not Good Ideology. I'm sure there's a name for the phenomenon whereby anything MLs dislike is somehow a result of CIA machinations.
Thank you. Finally someone said it
no FR like this whole video is so silly this movie rocks it's about the characters.
I’m not unsympathetic to the overall messaging here, but I kind of think that anyone who seriously attempts to use a movie as their primary guide for handling explosives is competing hard for a Darwin Award.
Exactly
I'm pretty sure anyone serious enough to bomb something would find a better source of information than a film like this.
I expect the filmmakers meant to avoid making their film a bomb-making manual, and tbh, that's fair enough in my view.
The fact that such a movie was even published gives off big red flags, and not the good flags unfortunately.
Meh, How? Lots of movies have been made like this, kind of like; Monkey Wrench Gang, Steal This Movie, and a few others in american can think of.
Even if the movie was 'legit', we could both assume the liberalism is naivity and that they could be perfectly legitimate projects that exists as nothing but products of proffit driven co-optation we see with quite literally everything in cinema.
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@@svodcat7524 I refuse to believe any material that gives real advice on making destructive devices would be allowed to spread among people. Hell, even books with shoddy advice are often banned, like "The Anarchist Cookbook".
@@basedcomrade1595 That's a weird thing not to believe because it is demonstratably wrong with even a tiny piece of applying some thinking to it:
They are spreading among normal people though, through any chemistry textbook but also, again from the american standpoint, through presses like Loompanics who explicitly specialized in this kind of edgy literature or Lyle Stuart who, as per your example, published 'The Anarchist Cookbook", which, again as your example, was not banned anywhere except the UK and AUS per my understanding.
@@svodcat7524 Damn, I did not know any of that. My bad, I assumed that any sort of material that would educate people on these matters would be too dangerous for the government to allow, but it seems I'm wrong. Still, I'd imagine it's deliberately left obscure; some of the people you mention are ones I believe many don't know about, for instance.
@@basedcomrade1595 The government doesn't have that much control over indie films. They do have a lot of control over advertising though. It's easy to publish basically anything, much harder to have it seen.
As an American you’re definitely right, theres no way in hell the CIA would ever allow a film like this to be made unless it was a psyop
Anyone telling you to commit a crime is 100% a fed
see the problem with most other political youtube channels is that none of them have ever brought in a ra lad for consultation
that whole bit from 11:10 to 11:38 is such a wild misinterpretation. The film does not in any sense function as and is clearly not in any sense intended to be an actual guide for building a bomb or blowing up a pipeline. It uses the title in the exact same way the book does, because it is an adaptation of the book. I haven't finished the video yet because I'm curious about the specific issues, but the idea that anybody would actually try to build a bomb using the movie as a tutorial without actually finding a real guide on how to build a bomb is very silly. The content of the movie and the point of the movie is the characters and their journeys lol like most movies.
I agree that the informant twist is optimistic and a bit ridiculous, but narratively it's super fun to watch play out and I think they make it believable. It's definitely a very dramatic movie, it's super grounded on some levels but narratively it's far more interested in showing the heroism and struggle of these characters.
Like you can't possibly fathom why leftists would be interested in making a cool heist movie about adventurism?? It seems very clear to me idk this movie rocks and y'all aren't engaging with it on the levels that it's operating on.
I watched five seasons of How To Get Away With Murder to learn exactly that and now they're telling me the whole show was just a Police Psy Op.
This video is not going to stay up long, better download it!
It's like they went with the Fight Club method of showing the recipes. Show 80% of the ingredients with a slight misdirection, that results in just a toxic chemical mess, instead of an explosive.
Andreas Malm is not a psy-op, I didn't know they made a movie though! Edit omfg what is this movie oh no oh god, I was wrong you were right, this is a psy op lmao
So now you think Malm is a psyop? Or just the film?
Despite my initial reactions of 'Oh, another Marxist-Leninist lecture from Paul', I do find myself gaining valuable insights by the end of each video
Correction "Another Marxist-Leninist lecture from Paul AND Donal" (and Anna usually, but she was travelling while this was being created)
Hey now! He's a Maoist, not an ML
@@middaymeds Well he is still a ML, just also a M
You have a problem with Marxism-Leninism (,OP)?
I could listen to Paul all day 😌
Excellent video, comrade! I'm glad you weere able to get a genuine expert on to talk about this! The moment I heard "US counterterrorism military officer", I knew that it had to be sus!
Banger video, full of explosive content. :P Also, mega thanks for your Queer Liberation stream!
This movie is good actually. I lost my flashlight once and to look for it, i played this movie on my phone. The glowie particles shined a bright light rendering my torch useless but hey, i found it!
What an awesome video, I’m sure this isn’t the only Psyop that is out there actively trying to thwart leftist progress. Thank you, Paul!
Literally every Hollywood movie about the military, politics, or marvel comics
@@NotAPacifist825 you are not lying! Apparently, those Marvel movies in particular!
This movie is not a psyop.
@@Neil-iu2sq It is not a psyop, and you are the gullible one for thinking that it is.
@@Neil-iu2sq How does that make it a psyop? Do you think that the director wanted to do a psyop?
I think the problem with the film in general is that we are ascribing advanced revolutionary theories and ideologies to non-revolutionary non-marxists who believe in the "great man theory." It took me personally A LOT of reading to fully understand not just the concepts of adventurism and opportunism but also their ineffectiveness. The most effective art is emotional so the philosophy of "sensations not doctrines, experiences not dogmas, memories not philosophies" appear in all media, otherwise they are characterized as "didactic." All this leads to the conclusion that if you try hard enough, you personally without the benefit of mass movement, can affect change.
There are a lot of emotional material of individual people in actually existing mass struggles but they deliberately choose not to use them.
Are you ever going to make a video on Irish Pre-Cromwellian Celtic Communism? It sounds like an interesting topic
Damn right we are ☘️ (at some point)
@@Marxism_Today BASED
@@Marxism_Today Fantastic! :D Thank you, comrade. :3
I would love to see a series on the National liberation movements in the Celtic nations 🇮🇪🏴🏴🇮🇲
@TheAnthraxBiology This is false. Friedrich Engels, co-author of The Communist Manifesto himself, observed communist relations of production in full force prior to the Cromwellian genocide. Read for yourself: twitter.com/MarxistPaul/status/1615645241125621760?s=20
Hopefully this obvious error that you've espoused (claiming this analysis originates solely with Connolly, when both Marx and Engels themselves agreed upon it) will give you pause.
It appears your university student arrogance has gotten the better of you. I've studied these matters for many years, and the relations of production within Gaelic Ireland were indeed undoubtedly communist, albeit with certain seeds of class society beginning to emerge (primarily imported through the vikings, etc.), though this was impossible to fully enforce across the island due to the lack of any centralised slave or feudal state apparatus. Prior to Cromwell in the Gaelic Irish territories, that is.
Malms book is great tbh. It’s a sincere call to action to move beyond modern protest tactics that have proven non effective.
I was skeptical of the film and figured it was a capitalist attempt at co-opting and diluting activist movements.
The movie is a disservice to climate activism just by virtue of being a very bad movie. I like the book though.
Honestly I thought both were good!
I don't know if I have said it but for the past months this channel has been putting out great videos. I'm loving that. ❤
Yes, they really are very good!
Good video, thanks for covering it. Despite its shortcomings, I really enjoyed the movie and appreciated the sentiments espoused. I hope that it brings more attention to Malm's book, which is one of my favourites ever.
A movie with that title and that story would not receive funding unless the US state department wanted it to get made, and we have to question why they would want to make that movie. But they did, and they _just so happened_ to get a Harvard grad to direct it (Harvard being a breeding ground for CIA ops)...seems legit.
Terminally online brainrot comment.
@@terminallybill7073 now that you've described your initial reply, do you have anything more to add, perhaps even something substantive?
That's not true at all... Wtf... I discovered this channel as a super leftist, who also happens to be in the industry... Is this what everyone on this channel thinks? Is this the extreme other polar end of Qanon!?
Mashallah daddy Marxism Today has uploaded
Sorry for the late reply selling my labour power rn
I think this is the earliest I've been to a MP video
10/10 punctuality today
Same same
Don'tcha mean MT? Shaking my head...
Ive met Malm briefly not long ago and was excited when i discovered that there was a movie seemingly based on the book. I thought it was some indie documentary and was quite surprised when i saw familiar actors in a fictional story, it rang some really suspicious bells. Def looked like the usual green washing neoliberalism, but now in cinema. Knowing antiterrorist military ppl helped in the making of it....lol
I don't think that the movie is intended to be a genuine blueprint for explosive-making (I think it would show incredibly poor judgement to copy explosive-making from a movie and that it's unlikely for serious activists to end up doing that), but it's worthwhile highlighting where reality and media diverge, just to make sure people don't fuck up too badly.
This is just slightly problematic….maybe…. Nah should be fine, it’s government approved
One of things my mother taught me was to not trust everything I see on the internet. It's a lesson that's served me very well in the 20 years i've been surfing the net
The internet says the sky is blue.
To me, seeing that chart of the US with all the oil pipelines, it seems like it's mocking activists. It puts it in front of our nose and tells us "do it" knowing full well, no one's gonna do it. And this might be the true goal of this movie: To discourage us and lower our morale.
Those are my two cents. But to be honest, I think that the biggest chance is that the film maker was genuine, but just a bit of a dummy.
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The thing is that blowing up a pipeline doesn't require organizing or coalition building, it's a way an individual can act without needing to collaborate with larger structures. So it falls outside of the purview of conventional leftist discourse. But on the other hand, that's why the movie's self-defeating. You don't need to convince a movement to blow up a pipeline, instead of making the movie you should have just blown up a fn pipeline
Individual actions do very little. Even disregarding everything Paul mentioned about individual actions and lacking organisation... What is to be done while all those involved are sent to prison and the pipeline is rebuilt? What structures are there in place to prevent rebuilding? Are there any propaganda / media campaigns in place to fight the inevitable media backlash and subsequent lack of support from the general public? What about the rest of the pipelines in the country? Who will protect those who receive potential retaliation from the police (or even military's) terror campaign to prevent further attacks?
@@caramelldansen2204they're good questions. So is the question "do we have time for that?" Do we even have another decade to build the kind of support needed for a "proper" revolution, or have we been peacefully ineffective for too long? If so, what other options are there?
I don't have an answer to either set of questions. I also haven't heard great answers from either side.
The servants of the Bourgeoise know things are getting worse.
The problem with blowing up a pipeline is the environmental destruction it would cause.
Banging video as always
Ayooo explosive comment 💥
This movie has real "You can do it miha" energy.
Sounds like the US informant for the film intentionally fed them incorrect information when it came to depicting how to actually make a bomb.
No shit sherlock, why would you teach people how to make a bomb 😂🤦♂️
This film seems like it was meant to weed out the people who would want to act as the protagonists did. Heroes? No. The film is a perfect example of what NOT to do. You know you’ve been infiltrated? GTFO and regroup elsewhere/how.
You hear of people getting ready to do this in the name of your cause? Bring them in and temper them. The want to act is strong in some, but wisdom on the how and when are necessary, which is the heart of the book that the movie missed completely.
Hi man,have you ever considered doing a video in irish simply with English subtitles? It would warm my sardinian heart hearing topics as important as the ones that you touch being talked about in endangered languages
I second this. That would be very cool
Fascinating interview, thanks to yourself and the guest for the insights!
Great and important video.
Chapo trap house for example promoted this film uncritically.
Thank you for keeping us informed.
Was reluctant to watch as i really liked this book (and read movie as book because despite being fully grown i can't read properly lol) but in the end I really liked it, also, interesting guest! Did you talk to him anywhere else?
New viewier, subbed. Greetings from an anarchist. :)
I think there are some aspects of Malms analysis and proposed strategies (he calls "eco-leninism") that are worth criticizing. I think a video by you of how marxist could ally or intervene with the climate justice movement would be great as well!
I think John Molyneux wrote a piece on that in Ireland's Rupture magazine, if you want to look up such a critique.
Nice one, this is an excellent, informative video. The inclusion of Donal is particularly well done.
I remember when I saw stuff about this movie a few years ago it gave me bad vibes. My reasoning was that if a pipeline is blown up, that can lead to an oil spill and immediately cause damage that could be avoided if it were somehow shut down directly and cleared out before being removed, but I didn't know about how unsafe a lot of the stuff in the movie really was.
Did you read the book? Malm makes it pretty clear why people did have blown up pipelines in the past and why they needed to. Idk that the reality really applies to the movie though.
@@Sirzacharia I didn't, but I can imagine that there are situations where it wouldn't result in an oil spill like if it was new or something. I'm just guessing that the ones people would want to blow up would've been in use for some time and could lead to a spill if precautions aren't taken like an oil catcher or something (but then, an explosion could lead to oil being burned if it's a pipeline that's in use, which is also a problem). Really it sounds like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
God the book is really not about oil pipelines why dont u read it instead of complain about dumb shortsighted adventurous anarchists
That would certainly explain why such a film was allowed to be made in the first place.
It's been a long time since Gill Scott Heron told us, so it's worth reminding: the revolution will not be televised.
I missed the intro, what am I supposed to do with all this tannerite and fertilizer now >:(
The problem with critiques of adventurism is that waiting for mass movements to start or trying to start one on your own is at best too slow. 70% of people are apathetic dead weight.
Oh, it contains a map of pipelines in the us? Oh this a psyop for real the fuck, all you had to do is show that lmao
I heard about the book before, did not realize someone made a movie appropriating it.
i found the film very entertaining, it never even occurred to me to try to build one of the bombs, maybe a bit of tire puncturing d'Oh❣
I recall the actors/writers being interviewed saying the inaccuracies are on purpose so the actions are less likely to be copycatted. I can assume good intentions; but depicting a mass movement in film seems to be a challenge for the artists..
I couldn't have asked for a better expert on the subject. Great video Mr. Today!
Great video as always, the basic safest way to make those "things" is to read and educate yourself in chemistry, always have the room with the ac on and never ever smoke.
Your hair looks so good in this vid. :D
Now I am not sure if the US TM 13 210 Improvised Munitions Handbook will be useful at all...
This raises the question of how they ended up consulting with the US military people. Impossible to know, of course, but at least this can serve as a good "teachable moment". :)
In the US if want to use military assets in a movie, you need US military review of your movie. Not even joking.
fantastic video, really well put together
Damn! Thank you so much for making such a detailed video! I hate this movie, so it means a lot to counter the missinfo and bad take on direct action!
They were interviewed recently in some leftist podcast I follow (I don't remember which one, I follow too many). I'm not exactly sure about that. Maybe they just made mistakes, considering they have no experience on direct action?
Maybe it was Chapo Trap House
It's very possible that everyone making this film is just naive, with little or no real-life political experience, and this potentially led to them taking the US military officials at face value without assuming any kind of ulterior motive.
That's probably the best-case scenario, assuming the best intentions of everyone involved.
Hopefully that's all it was, and hopefully this video will reach them and they will realise that they've released something which could potentially cause a lot of harm to young environmental activists.
We've contacted both Andreas Malm and Daniel Goldhaber, so we'll see how things go. Hopefully they will respond and we'll be able to advance the conversation on this further
@@Marxism_Today never underestimate the power of naive co-optation with no thoughts but the profit motive!
@@Marxism_Today I mea it's possible, but it's still wild to think that they might not have suspected an ulterior motive from a high up counter terrorism guy
There was a movie, hopefully I'm not misremembering the name or attributing it to another, I think it was called "This Movie/Film Is Not Yet Rated", that had a segment on how the US military must be directly involved in a movie to get any sorts of props/uniforms from the army and it must be "supervised" by and its script "analyzed" by military officials both to get access to props and even to get released, and any negative portrayal, be it of fictional individual soldiers or the US military as a whole, basically is a cause for censorship/re-writing the entire script or getting outright banned, even somrthig as minor as showing an American soldier getting drunk is absolutely not allowed to be shown, so you'd just need to put two and two together in regards to depiction of actual war crimes committed by the US military from SA against Iraqi women and the murder of children in Baghdad by American troops to more broad campaigns like the abuse of people detained in US military prisons and the Highway of Death; it is basically beyond taboo to show the evils of American imperialism and the human rights violations committed by the US military and NATO Empire jackboots in general, so it would never be allowed in film (aside from documentaries); I wonder if this would have any effect on the movie discissed here, if there is a similar thing regarding pro-FBI propaganda and censorship or involvement of the state department in "supervision" of the filmmaking and "analysis" of the script and forcing edits and re-writing the script to get their approval and a release of movies that have relevant subject matter
The US military basically pulled that Steve Buscemi meme "how do you do, fellow leftists?"
great video! i didn't know how to feel about the movie after i watched it.
Excellent video, connecting the questions I had about the film. Seriously depressing we can't get truly radical films like Battle of Algiers made these days and instead we get fantasies like this and Sci-Fi
ok to be fair though, if anyone would know how to do eco terrorism, it would be the us military
Very interesting and good work as always. Thanks.
Important stuff! Thanks for the PSA.
More like "How to blow yourself up while trying to blow up a pipeline".
Ah yes, self defense is "violence" 😂
sound of freedom is a psyop
I don't think anyone is going to this movie for literal instructions. its meant to explore the idea of ecoterroism. not be a step by step guide.
I think it would have been serviceable to talk about the different ideologies of each character.
Your videos are great❤, especially about communism❤. I hope all of your videos will be translated into Arabic ؛ There is no Arabic content that talks about communism so richly
The book is always better than the movie.
Dia duit, another excellent video mo chara
I'm gonna have to change my pants. Was not expecting you to take such a based angle on this critique.
The biggest fedpost in history?
Yep, it's a psyop.
Pacifism and nonviolence, when used alone, is a fail tactic.
At the end of the day If activists take tips from Hollywood movies for literal action they are their own worst enemy, no need for conspiracy.
Please cover the absolute state dept hogwash in ‘Child 44’ 🙏🏻
Oh, well, I can conform with piranha solution.
Ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder. Easy to move and easy to obtain.
Why all the anxiety about this movie teaching people how to commit a crime. Hundreds of crime films have been released with out disclaimers. Start with Malteses Falcon. The Godfather didn’t warn viewers from joining the Mafia. Thelma and Louise did worry about someone in the audience driving off a cliff. Relax. Enjoy. Its only a movie!
Huh. I thought the movie was gonna be about the Nordstream Pipelines.
They'd need a Putin look alike coz we all know he was on board the yacht,he dived down to the pipeline and planted the bombs.😂😂👍🇮🇪🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
There is a Book with this name that I was thinking about buying. Is the movie by the same folks!?
Kinda reminds me of La Chinoise. Which is a condemnation of adventurism and individual terrorist actions.
Although note, I do think that movie implies maoists are adventurists which is of course a problem
Godard was a very active maoist though? La Chinoise was a self critique piece at the attitudes espoused by suburban and metropolitan french maoists at the time.
Oh that makes sense, idk I don't know much, it just seemed to me that it was kinda saying that ML was the reasonable choice but MLM is extremists. Of course I have not thoroughly analyzed it and could have missed some nuance
@@blooblerdoobler you should read about it then. Mao is a good read overall, his contribution is important to analyze. Especially the great cultural revolution.
@ingen6799 thanks for suggesting so, I've read mao, and am I'm the process of reading more mao. I am a learning MLM. He's very insightful, I meant Moreso that I wasn't educated at all on the intended messages of La Chinoise
I'm gonna hold off on my opinion until I see the movie, but the depiction of it here makes it feel like Four Lions but not clearly satire.
No but these are poor things to call us. We aren't BT, Dan. Dans twenty tokes over our limits in here and an insult if sitting on our line. This is our yellow & blue. It goes to the alley. It's in. It's too close to leave us out of the company colors from here to there.
Can you do a video on the 1921 treaty?
Commenting for the algorithm.
Considering the film plainly employed a pyrotechnician, why was the counterterrorism official necessary at all?
not psyop only a try to commercialize a great title-elevator pitch B-movie exploitation-tier movie
Great stuff, Paul and Donal!
26:59 I have to ask, when the text says "the Group of International Communists," was it referring to Trotskyists? The rest of the text that's shown makes it seem even more likely, given it seems to be coming from an anti-ML place (using the same kind of shallow "criticisms" and phrases associated with Trotskyism).
If I'm mistaken, that's good! But that's definitely the impression I got.
Anarchist.
thanks for the interest in the book!
The 'GIC' existed briefly in the 1920s, after the failed German revolution. The main personality in it was a guy called Jan Appel. They would be now included in the mix of what is called "council communist", although neither I nor my co-author Tom would consider ourselves as such at all. We are not really impressed by any other authors from that tradition, except for Appel. Our book is based on his work, and more modern developments in cybernetics. We would be equally critical of Trotskyism and Anarchism - for very different reasons. Anyway, I hope you'll keep an eye out for it, I promise that our critiques will definitely not be "shallow"!
@@donalocoisdealbha2226 Ah, that's good, thanks for the reply!