One thing to notice in this fight is that what is that Achilles ultimately defeats Hector by wearing him down. Every time there’s a lull in the fight, Achilles waits for Hector to attack first, to commit to an attack that results in several futile swings while Achilles dodges, blocks or counterattacks. By the end of the fight, Hector is visibly exhausted and Achilles has won even before the fatal strike.
Good point. Achilles does most of the initiating at first, with the spear. Once both spears are broken, Achilles does wait a bit more. I wonder how much of it is letting Hector wear himself out, and how much is posing to display his superior form. After all, the whole reason he ended up sailing to Troy was to be remembered.
ok Mr.Scintist.. theres always this guy who seemed to know every details and some particular curcumstances as if they want everyone to know about it like they above average person..Cut with ur Bs already.. Duh,hes Achilles dude.. Nothing to do with Hector being exhausted nor hes that good to last that long against Achilles,,just that Achilles being Achilles and the rest is history
I always hated that Movie. Hector was such a good Man and got killed because of his whinny little Brother stealing a Woman. Paris couldn´t even fight for himself. He was so pathetic.
That's what made the movie good. The characters weren't all tough and brave, like most stories. If everyone is a great fighter, it's boring. By making Paris a "weaker" brother, it makes Hector a better character. He's a leader and a protector. He shows it with his council, as a diplomat, how he leads his men, how he is as a father, and how he watches over his brother.
And don't forget he had to kill Achilles by shooting him in the back. Can easily place him on a top 10 list of biggest pathetic cowards that I've ever seen in a media let alone movies specifically.
@@salvadorjimenez2872my favorite scene is when he cries over Hectors body saying they will see eachother soon then proceeds to call him brother 🙏 makes me tear up as he knows what he did out of vengeance
One of the best best choreographed fight scenes in cinema Brad stalking around like a lion ducking and weaving like a dancer and striking like a cobra. Every movement demonstrating just how dangerous lethal and dominant Achilles is as a warrior. While Hector is quick and well trained at no point is he in control of the fight.
@seriomarkj I don't agree he lost control at that point he seem more amused than worried. Yes he made a mistake misjudging Hector's speed but that strike was never going to hurt him. For someone of his character with his training and experience finding an opponent who can get even a single chance to strike him is rare so he begins to actually enjoy the fight and see past his rage.
@ianjardine7324 i would argue making a mistake and misjudging your opponent means they have control in that moment...obviously that wasn't and didn't last long
Also Achilles was given to fits of blinding rage that led him to make decisions he later regretted, he was riddled with guilt after the way he desecrated Hector’s body.
Yeah that could've very easily been a director's cut scene but I'm glad they kept it in. Shows a warrior's remorse because the true enemy is war itself.
It's funny seeing people react and rooting for different characters since this is based on an epic Greek poem written around 3,000 years ago. We already know what happens to them. Also, Sean Bean's character, Odysseus, would be the star of Homer's other epic poem "The Odyssey" about his trip home after the Trojan war. "The Iliad"; the poem this was based on, is ancient Greek for "Troy", or the Trojan(s).
Looks like only few people know this movie is from the Iliad. I remember studying both Iliad and Odyssey back in my middleschool/highschool days. That brings back so many memories.
@@jakerobinson5978 The tendon on the back on your ankle is literally called the Achilles Tendon because that's where Achilles supposedly got hit by the arrow that killed him. Realistically, a severed Achilles Tendon is a death sentence that long ago, you'd lose so much blood so fast
It wasn't only that his cousin looked like him in the armor but that Achilles' men followed behind which pretty much eliminated all doubt. If Achilles men could not discern between the two, how could Hector? I understand he was pissed but damnit man, Hector was the only sensible character in this story. To hell with Paris.
Very very Reactions that is a Barr of Attention Oversight in my view, now that I'm watching all first accounts of reactions very very … When I first saw that I saw Olympus theatrics that infused every Dance of death, I admired the craftsmanship of Dervishes, Basque etc …and the Directing and commitment to honour the Legends by 2 Actors who also won't be forgotten … In other words, my stillness to catch every thrust, duck the might of contact of each fashion forged Sword … I was a painting of a THOUSAND AND ONE words … And I'm Glad I witnessed it in the full might of equalising Sound effect, for every little detail like the ring of swords that swished with Air currents LIKE SINGING SWORDS … Does anyone feel this ? Well in other words the Director's cut of the sacking of TROY should only say it ! ... " it was Brutal " ... I will admit I had a little giggle to myself at the RECRUITMENT DRIVE FOR CANNON FODDER …that was poetically bled in the recent or past release of " All Quiet on the Western Front " and of all the " it's my Party and i'l Cry if I want Too " … I want to go home now .... PS ... I'm an A1+ Student of 5 years Term of Secondary School …and a Tip for any in that field is to be able to enjoy the Act with awareness of its Directional Plus … Good Scene .. PPS .. THAT INCLUDES VERSED commentary .. .. Good Fortune to ya All .....
I’m surprised that so many people didn’t know how this fight would end. They don’t cover this in schools anymore? I was forced to read The Iliad in eighth grade. So Hector dying and being dragged by Achilles wasn’t much of a surprise when it happened in this scene. However, Achilles being shot by arrows in other parts of his body, other than his heel, threw me off a bit. Considering that he was supposed to be invulnerable everywhere except for his heel!
@kevincoolum3680 this was a Movie based on Realism. Not a single Greek God was shown on film. Director could not have the greatest warrior ever, Achilles die of an Arrow shot to the back of his heel. No Myth Scene of his mother bathing his body in Holy fire (Dipping his body in River Styx) while holding him by the Heel was shown to the Audience.
@ They showed Achilles’ mother, the goddess Thetis briefly in the beginning of the movie. She was the one who told Achilles that his glory at Troy would end with his demise. Furthermore, if they were going for realism, then why would they pick a fictional tale to begin with?
@@kevincoolum3680 True, but again, the Director chose to portray a Realistic scene to us the Audience. no mention was made of Thetis being either a Sea nymph/Sea Goddess or a Very wise Human Woman on Human Nature. the Prophesy she gave her Son "Your Glory Walks Hand In Hand with Your Doom" is Her Knowing Her Sons Personality. that He would Always Choose to Lead from the Front Not Bring up the Rear. that he would Always Choose to Challenge the Bravest Warriors, with the most Re-known in Combat. Speaking as a Veteran myself 4 Yrs. Service U.S.M.C. 1983-87 that Character Trait is Not Conducive to Living a Long Life.
@@jaguarwarrior866 Fair enough! I guess that I just assumed that Thetis was a goddess based on other portrayals of her. But you are correct about no one really mentioning whether she was human, sea nymph, or a goddess. I can’t really argue with the logic that you provided! There are many different variations, but all get to the same point in the end! Btw, thanks for the constructive rebuttal, and most of all, Thank you for your service man!
@@kevincoolum3680 Thank You. I too have Really Enjoyed our Dialog. i like watching People react to Movies that i Liked. here's an interesting tidbit. In Greek Mythology Nymphs were considered Minor Deities also some of them had the Gift of Prophesy. 'The Nymphs: The Beautiful and Young Minor Deities of Greek Mythology - Mythological Dictionary' ruclips.net/video/EtyVM7JnAmI/видео.html
Interesting people rooting for Achilles, if you read the Iliad you’ll know that Achilles was part immortal his mother was a nymph and his father a king. His mother was given a prophesy and she dipped him in the river Styx she held him by his heel that river lead to the underworld and it made him invulnerable except for his heel. So it was not a fair fight anyway.
It would be funny if Achilles was invincible (almost) but just a terrible fighter. Just clumsy and un-athletic, and kind of a doofus. But eventually he wins because Hector doesn’t know about his heel and gets really tired.
A lot of the named characters from the Iliad and the Odyssey could very well have been real people, like Odysseus and Achilles. Odysseus was a king of some kind on a small Greek island, and Achilles had the Achilles Tendon on the back of your foot named after him due to dying from it being severed. As you mentioned, we recently found proof that Priam and Hector were real people, it was actually within the past 5 years I believe. We also have rough estimates that the Sack of Troy wasn't too long before the Bronze Age Collapse, so they were more Mycenean than Greek, and that's the era where all the heroes are supposed to be from in Greek Mythology like Bellerophon, Jason, Theseus, and Perseus. It stands to reason that others from the Iliad like Odysseus, Menelaus, and Agamemnon could also have been based on actual historical figures, like an Egyptian Pharaoh we haven't discovered yet or an unknown Mycenean petty king on a tiny island
I never noticed knew... how annoying people were about this movie, the ones who hate it not love it. Like just sh*t up. The reasons I've seen why they hate it so stu... Like its a movie. Of course its not going to be accurate to the history event. I've seen people having complaints over Brad playing Achilles. These people wanna be different so bad.
I hate how everyone suddenly becomes so darn ignorant and slow lol Achilles cousin who was one of his only living relatives was killed literally hours ago and they want him to show mercy and forgiveness 🤦🏾♂️I liked Hector too buy that's just a dumb ass take
Actually that wasn't his brother. That was his boyfriend Achilles didn't have a brother. But for some reason all the breeders always have to try to erase LGBTQ people. If you believe me Google it lol Most of greek is gay. I mean the word lesbian littlerally comes Lesbos why? Because Sapho of Lesbos the mpst famous lesbian lived there. That is how the word Saphic became a thing to describe lesbian thing's.
Incorrect. Even the contemporaries at the time were angry at the change of the depiction of Achilles. He was straight, and a later 'fan fic' writer came along and tried to make him gay (much like now, and also much like now, the public was angered by this). Is there proof? Read the source. The whole reason Achilles died was because he had fallen in love with a Trojan woman, and they were meeting at the wall each night (him below, she above). Paris learned of this and shot Achilles from behind with a poisoned arrow on one of the nights the loving couple were meeting, said arrow was guided by Appolo into his vulnerable heel, thus killing Achilles. After the fall of Troy, the woman whom Achilles had loves was captured. His specter cursed the Greeks and would not allow them to leave if they did not sacrifice the woman he loved to be with him in eternity. They sacrificed her, and the Greeks were then allowed to sail away. So no, it doesn't track that he was gay.
@@dragonknight196 Okay, the both of you need to understand something. You both want to somehow impose your differing *modern values* on the legendary versions of people who (if they existed at all) lived while the ancestors of the Jews still wandered around the Ancient Near East herding goats and worshipping a local sky god because they needed rain. There *were no* "gays" or "straights" or "LGBTQ" people back then. There were only *people* ; sometimes those people had romantic sexual relationships with one another and, to the extent they knew about wandering goat-herders in the lands between the Egyptians and Hittites, they considered those people as nothing more than ignorant barbarians -- little better than illiterate savages (which was mostly true of most of the people in the entire world -- including proto-Jews). So, to label people who lived *3,000-4,0000 years ago* with modern nomenclature, or judge their behavior using the values taught in Bronze Age mythological literature that had only *barely* started to be written about then, is an exercise in utter absurdity by both of you. The Bronze Age people who lived in the lands that surrounded the eastern Mediterranean had profoundly different lives, profoundly different experiences, profoundly different beliefs and profoundly different morality and ethics than *anything* that exists today. To use modern values -- from either side -- to assess or judge the lives of people who may have existed (in some ways) more than a *thousand years* ) before those values even *started* to exist is just... wasteful, of time and bandwidth. Pull your heads out.
@@thomashiggins9320 You just wrote a diatribe on the worthlessness of studying history and insinuated people are incapable of empathy or understanding of fellow human beings across the divide of time. And to suggest the beliefs and morals of Achilles or Hector were "profoundly different" than anything that exists today demonstrates your ignorance and arrogance of the past and of the human species. Furthermore, @dragonknight196 rightfully called out someone who tried to spin their personal narrative, morals, and beliefs into a 4,000 year old story that is well understood and has stood the test of time. A perversion of history is a crime against humanity because it obscures the truth and beauty of human existence. While, indeed, same sex relationships were normal and the word Lesbian is indeed Greek in origin, attempting to rewrite history to "claim" someone for your sexual "team" is pathetic (and petty).
Everybody's gangsta until Achilles pulled up to your hood, shouting for you to come out.
One thing to notice in this fight is that what is that Achilles ultimately defeats Hector by wearing him down. Every time there’s a lull in the fight, Achilles waits for Hector to attack first, to commit to an attack that results in several futile swings while Achilles dodges, blocks or counterattacks. By the end of the fight, Hector is visibly exhausted and Achilles has won even before the fatal strike.
I have always thought something similar. Hector is just as good (or nearly) but the main difference is.... he gets tired. Achilles does not.
i don't think he is nearly skilled as achilles but good fighter @@winnoweriv2650
Good point. Achilles does most of the initiating at first, with the spear. Once both spears are broken, Achilles does wait a bit more. I wonder how much of it is letting Hector wear himself out, and how much is posing to display his superior form. After all, the whole reason he ended up sailing to Troy was to be remembered.
ok Mr.Scintist..
theres always this guy who seemed to know every details and some particular curcumstances as if they want everyone to know about it like they above average person..Cut with ur Bs already..
Duh,hes Achilles dude..
Nothing to do with Hector being exhausted nor hes that good to last that long against Achilles,,just that Achilles being Achilles and the rest is history
I think he started doing that after Hector Slashed his Leather Chest Armour … But that could be in the Director's Cut, its Brutal
I don't think a lot of these people watching this movie understand that Hector was also a legendary warrior, world-renowned.
You know you've grown up when you know Hector was the main character done dirty
I always hated that Movie. Hector was such a good Man and got killed because of his whinny little Brother stealing a Woman. Paris couldn´t even fight for himself. He was so pathetic.
I loved the movie, but yes….all bcz of whiny, weak Paris.
That's what made the movie good. The characters weren't all tough and brave, like most stories. If everyone is a great fighter, it's boring. By making Paris a "weaker" brother, it makes Hector a better character. He's a leader and a protector. He shows it with his council, as a diplomat, how he leads his men, how he is as a father, and how he watches over his brother.
Hector died in part because of his honor. He ordered the Trojan archers not to shoot Achilles.
And don't forget he had to kill Achilles by shooting him in the back. Can easily place him on a top 10 list of biggest pathetic cowards that I've ever seen in a media let alone movies specifically.
@@theendistheend123Umm they literally all were tough and brave except for the one guy, tf? Lmfao. That's not what made the movie good tho.
Please do the conversation between Achilles and Priam when the king begs for Hector's body to be returned. It is amazing acting from both sides.
Peter O'Toole was a legend. RIP
@@salvadorjimenez2872my favorite scene is when he cries over Hectors body saying they will see eachother soon then proceeds to call him brother 🙏 makes me tear up as he knows what he did out of vengeance
Genuinely surprised at how few people know the Iliad
I always thought it would be a mandatory read at school everywhere in the western world...but i guess not
@@volfi123 Used to be, now they teach them F all in school. Ask almost anyone under 25 and they barely know there was 2 world war, much less when.
@@volfi123 I read a translation on my own, when I was a kid.
It's a great, great story.
One of the best best choreographed fight scenes in cinema Brad stalking around like a lion ducking and weaving like a dancer and striking like a cobra. Every movement demonstrating just how dangerous lethal and dominant Achilles is as a warrior. While Hector is quick and well trained at no point is he in control of the fight.
He is in control for a second and gets the scratch on the armor, and it's a surprise for Achilles cause noone ever got that close to him
@seriomarkj I don't agree he lost control at that point he seem more amused than worried. Yes he made a mistake misjudging Hector's speed but that strike was never going to hurt him. For someone of his character with his training and experience finding an opponent who can get even a single chance to strike him is rare so he begins to actually enjoy the fight and see past his rage.
i think i read somewhere that there were no stunt doubles. the two actors choreographed the whole thing.
@ianjardine7324 i would argue making a mistake and misjudging your opponent means they have control in that moment...obviously that wasn't and didn't last long
Also Achilles was given to fits of blinding rage that led him to make decisions he later regretted, he was riddled with guilt after the way he desecrated Hector’s body.
Yeah that could've very easily been a director's cut scene but I'm glad they kept it in. Shows a warrior's remorse because the true enemy is war itself.
Readers of The Iliad knew the deal
From the Original "calling you out" to the total descicration
It's funny seeing people react and rooting for different characters since this is based on an epic Greek poem written around 3,000 years ago. We already know what happens to them. Also, Sean Bean's character, Odysseus, would be the star of Homer's other epic poem "The Odyssey" about his trip home after the Trojan war. "The Iliad"; the poem this was based on, is ancient Greek for "Troy", or the Trojan(s).
Looks like only few people know this movie is from the Iliad. I remember studying both Iliad and Odyssey back in my middleschool/highschool days. That brings back so many memories.
Achilies got what he wanted. Mankind will remember him until were all gone
@@Browninthadesert Apparently most people won't remember him unless they make a movie where he's played by Brad Pitt.
@@jakerobinson5978 The tendon on the back on your ankle is literally called the Achilles Tendon because that's where Achilles supposedly got hit by the arrow that killed him. Realistically, a severed Achilles Tendon is a death sentence that long ago, you'd lose so much blood so fast
@@ChrisVillagomez Which will always be remembered thanks to the original 'Pet Sematary'.
It wasn't only that his cousin looked like him in the armor but that Achilles' men followed behind which pretty much eliminated all doubt. If Achilles men could not discern between the two, how could Hector? I understand he was pissed but damnit man, Hector was the only sensible character in this story. To hell with Paris.
Very very Reactions that is a Barr of Attention Oversight in my view, now that I'm watching all first accounts of reactions very very … When I first saw that I saw Olympus theatrics that infused every Dance of death, I admired the craftsmanship of Dervishes, Basque etc …and the Directing and commitment to honour the Legends by 2 Actors who also won't be forgotten … In other words, my stillness to catch every thrust, duck the might of contact of each fashion forged Sword … I was a painting of a THOUSAND AND ONE words … And I'm Glad I witnessed it in the full might of equalising Sound effect, for every little detail like the ring of swords that swished with Air currents LIKE SINGING SWORDS … Does anyone feel this ? Well in other words the Director's cut of the sacking of TROY should only say it ! ... " it was Brutal " ... I will admit I had a little giggle to myself at the RECRUITMENT DRIVE FOR CANNON FODDER …that was poetically bled in the recent or past release of " All Quiet on the Western Front " and of all the " it's my Party and i'l Cry if I want Too " … I want to go home now .... PS ... I'm an A1+ Student of 5 years Term of Secondary School …and a Tip for any in that field is to be able to enjoy the Act with awareness of its Directional Plus … Good Scene .. PPS .. THAT INCLUDES VERSED commentary .. .. Good Fortune to ya All .....
One of the greatest action scenes of all time
"What's not to like?", loved that. 😆
I’m surprised that so many people didn’t know how this fight would end. They don’t cover this in schools anymore? I was forced to read The Iliad in eighth grade. So Hector dying and being dragged by Achilles wasn’t much of a surprise when it happened in this scene. However, Achilles being shot by arrows in other parts of his body, other than his heel, threw me off a bit. Considering that he was supposed to be invulnerable everywhere except for his heel!
@kevincoolum3680 this was a Movie based on Realism. Not a single Greek God was shown on film. Director could not have the greatest warrior ever, Achilles die of an Arrow shot to the back of his heel. No Myth Scene of his mother bathing his body in Holy fire (Dipping his body in River Styx) while holding him by the Heel was shown to the Audience.
@ They showed Achilles’ mother, the goddess Thetis briefly in the beginning of the movie. She was the one who told Achilles that his glory at Troy would end with his demise. Furthermore, if they were going for realism, then why would they pick a fictional tale to begin with?
@@kevincoolum3680 True, but again, the Director chose to portray a Realistic scene to us the Audience. no mention was made of Thetis being either a Sea nymph/Sea Goddess or a Very wise Human Woman on Human Nature. the Prophesy she gave her Son "Your Glory Walks Hand In Hand with Your Doom" is Her Knowing Her Sons Personality. that He would Always Choose to Lead from the Front Not Bring up the Rear. that he would Always Choose to Challenge the Bravest Warriors, with the most Re-known in Combat. Speaking as a Veteran myself 4 Yrs. Service U.S.M.C. 1983-87 that Character Trait is Not Conducive to Living a Long Life.
@@jaguarwarrior866 Fair enough! I guess that I just assumed that Thetis was a goddess based on other portrayals of her. But you are correct about no one really mentioning whether she was human, sea nymph, or a goddess. I can’t really argue with the logic that you provided! There are many different variations, but all get to the same point in the end! Btw, thanks for the constructive rebuttal, and most of all, Thank you for your service man!
@@kevincoolum3680 Thank You. I too have Really Enjoyed our Dialog. i like watching People react to Movies that i Liked. here's an interesting tidbit. In Greek Mythology Nymphs were considered Minor Deities also some of them had the Gift of Prophesy. 'The Nymphs: The Beautiful and Young Minor Deities of Greek Mythology - Mythological Dictionary' ruclips.net/video/EtyVM7JnAmI/видео.html
The Trojan War: Proof that men will literally go to war over a woman. Even for ten years.
Achilles looks tireless
This scene was amazing. You could feel how pissed off Achilles was.
This is all Colette Cherry fault I told her stop Watch another movie it's too late🥺🥺🥺
@@jbwade5676 Cry
@@BigDaddy115 Get out my comment
@@jbwade5676 No 🗣️
@@BigDaddy115 Gets out
Interesting people rooting for Achilles, if you read the Iliad you’ll know that Achilles was part immortal his mother was a nymph and his father a king. His mother was given a prophesy and she dipped him in the river Styx she held him by his heel that river lead to the underworld and it made him invulnerable except for his heel. So it was not a fair fight anyway.
@@rich24h Colette Cherry I so Sorry 🥺
Yeah but to be fair he’s just a regular guy in the movie. A skilled & athletic guy but just a guy none the less
Read the book twice. Great story.
It would be funny if Achilles was invincible (almost) but just a terrible fighter. Just clumsy and un-athletic, and kind of a doofus. But eventually he wins because Hector doesn’t know about his heel and gets really tired.
That would be a great parody
Off topic but just trust ash sister is gorgeous
That blond chick Colettee Cherry talks so damn much. She does not shut up a moment during the scene.
Lmaooo oh god lol I can understand your frustration lmaooo
I still remember hearing the music from a computer game before seeing this film and that moment of, "This is where it came from?"
Achilles was only legend but not existing in real history but Hector was in real Greece's times .
A lot of the named characters from the Iliad and the Odyssey could very well have been real people, like Odysseus and Achilles. Odysseus was a king of some kind on a small Greek island, and Achilles had the Achilles Tendon on the back of your foot named after him due to dying from it being severed. As you mentioned, we recently found proof that Priam and Hector were real people, it was actually within the past 5 years I believe. We also have rough estimates that the Sack of Troy wasn't too long before the Bronze Age Collapse, so they were more Mycenean than Greek, and that's the era where all the heroes are supposed to be from in Greek Mythology like Bellerophon, Jason, Theseus, and Perseus. It stands to reason that others from the Iliad like Odysseus, Menelaus, and Agamemnon could also have been based on actual historical figures, like an Egyptian Pharaoh we haven't discovered yet or an unknown Mycenean petty king on a tiny island
@@ChrisVillagomezOdysseus was king of Ithaca
These people think this is real or based on real events. Unbelievable.
I never noticed knew... how annoying people were about this movie, the ones who hate it not love it. Like just sh*t up. The reasons I've seen why they hate it so stu... Like its a movie. Of course its not going to be accurate to the history event. I've seen people having complaints over Brad playing Achilles. These people wanna be different so bad.
Oh Hollywood, where armor is cardboard.
Hector is such a great fighter, i wish he drew blood from Achilles.
The music has changed. Didnt there use to be a choir? Now theres some weird music that doesnt fit the scene. Like some cheap suspenseful movie music
its the extended version of the movie. the background music in that one is the theme from Tim Burtons Planet of the Apes.
I hate how everyone suddenly becomes so darn ignorant and slow lol Achilles cousin who was one of his only living relatives was killed literally hours ago and they want him to show mercy and forgiveness 🤦🏾♂️I liked Hector too buy that's just a dumb ass take
Its scary to me to see peoples lack of classical education.
Бедная девушка этот мистер крабс своими клешнями кажется пол фильма не дает видеть
Indictment of western education. These people don’t know the outcome of this scene 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Hector hector did not last as long as he did, because he was that good. Achilles was going to cut him up that takes a while
Actually that wasn't his brother.
That was his boyfriend Achilles didn't have a brother.
But for some reason all the breeders always have to try to erase LGBTQ people.
If you believe me Google it lol
Most of greek is gay.
I mean the word lesbian littlerally comes Lesbos why? Because Sapho of Lesbos the mpst famous lesbian lived there.
That is how the word Saphic became a thing to describe lesbian thing's.
I get your point but even in this version it was his cousin not his brother
Incorrect. Even the contemporaries at the time were angry at the change of the depiction of Achilles. He was straight, and a later 'fan fic' writer came along and tried to make him gay (much like now, and also much like now, the public was angered by this). Is there proof? Read the source. The whole reason Achilles died was because he had fallen in love with a Trojan woman, and they were meeting at the wall each night (him below, she above). Paris learned of this and shot Achilles from behind with a poisoned arrow on one of the nights the loving couple were meeting, said arrow was guided by Appolo into his vulnerable heel, thus killing Achilles. After the fall of Troy, the woman whom Achilles had loves was captured. His specter cursed the Greeks and would not allow them to leave if they did not sacrifice the woman he loved to be with him in eternity. They sacrificed her, and the Greeks were then allowed to sail away. So no, it doesn't track that he was gay.
@@dragonknight196 Okay, the both of you need to understand something.
You both want to somehow impose your differing *modern values* on the legendary versions of people who (if they existed at all) lived while the ancestors of the Jews still wandered around the Ancient Near East herding goats and worshipping a local sky god because they needed rain.
There *were no* "gays" or "straights" or "LGBTQ" people back then.
There were only *people* ; sometimes those people had romantic sexual relationships with one another and, to the extent they knew about wandering goat-herders in the lands between the Egyptians and Hittites, they considered those people as nothing more than ignorant barbarians -- little better than illiterate savages (which was mostly true of most of the people in the entire world -- including proto-Jews).
So, to label people who lived *3,000-4,0000 years ago* with modern nomenclature, or judge their behavior using the values taught in Bronze Age mythological literature that had only *barely* started to be written about then, is an exercise in utter absurdity by both of you.
The Bronze Age people who lived in the lands that surrounded the eastern Mediterranean had profoundly different lives, profoundly different experiences, profoundly different beliefs and profoundly different morality and ethics than *anything* that exists today. To use modern values -- from either side -- to assess or judge the lives of people who may have existed (in some ways) more than a *thousand years* ) before those values even *started* to exist is just... wasteful, of time and bandwidth.
Pull your heads out.
@@thomashiggins9320 You just wrote a diatribe on the worthlessness of studying history and insinuated people are incapable of empathy or understanding of fellow human beings across the divide of time. And to suggest the beliefs and morals of Achilles or Hector were "profoundly different" than anything that exists today demonstrates your ignorance and arrogance of the past and of the human species.
Furthermore, @dragonknight196 rightfully called out someone who tried to spin their personal narrative, morals, and beliefs into a 4,000 year old story that is well understood and has stood the test of time. A perversion of history is a crime against humanity because it obscures the truth and beauty of human existence. While, indeed, same sex relationships were normal and the word Lesbian is indeed Greek in origin, attempting to rewrite history to "claim" someone for your sexual "team" is pathetic (and petty).