Fanatec CSL DD Review - Best Entry Level Direct Drive Wheel Base?
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The most underrated reviewer on youtube. So thorough and easily digestible. Never thought I'd sit through ~30 minutes of a man just waxing poetic about a direct drive base but here I am.
lol Cheers mate!
bro i felt the exact same but now i dont have to comment it lol
Someone had to say it
Seriously dude that was me with his chair reviews lol
I did have to Google what a waffle ment In the uk. Think it's great when he waffles now. I compute it that he is just a human with bad ass setup.
Sorry everyone! The table clamp is NOT included and costs an extra €29.99.
Yes I will be trying it out on the Playseat Challenge! lol The most asked question so far! :)
Can you try it on the F-GT Lite too please as that's what im using and i pre ordered the cls dd, thanks =D
Well there is my question for Karl 😅
@@RICKYERE08 I no longer have one mate, but that and the PSC are just as solid as each other so we'll know! :)
Thx in advance ;)
LOL as soon as I saw this video from you, I scrolled straight to the comments for this!
I have been watching a lot of your videos lately as I research my first sim racing set up and I have to say you give the best reviews I have ever watched. Super detailed, with a sense of humour, very down to earth. Love it! :)
Glad you like them!
I love the mechanical explanation. It really helps understand why direct drive is so much better. I’ve seen a lot of reviews and nobody has summarised it quite like this. Great work!
Glad it was helpful!
The review I was waiting for before deciding whether to put it on my Christmas list!
If I didn't have one I would!
You are the only one who reviewed the CLS DD from the perspective of entry levell users like myself. Thanks!
Thanks again for this great video. Until now, you are the first one I have seen also explaining the mounting options. Also I'm confident in my ordered CSL DD. Keep up the good work!
I really like your style of review. You come across as a straightforward and honest bloke, not trying to market stuff with useless hyperbole. However, I think this review would have been better with testing the wheelbase on a few more titles.
Three titles was plenty mate, I've also been using it on PC2 and it performs just as well :)
Mine is due Oct with boost kit. Great review "straight down the line" and fair as usual, thank you! 👍😀
Cheers mate! :)
Getting mine in Nov, can’t wait….great review as always. Fast becoming one of my favourite channels!! Keep up the awesome work!!
Awesome! Thank you!
Perfect timing Karl. Last night I had this wheelbase in the Fanatec cart but didn’t pull the trigger. This should help nicely with the decision.
Another fine video Sir. Impatiently waiting for mine to arrive safe in the knowledge I’m getting a decent bit of kit. 😎👍
With you talking about how close this is to DD1 for so much less money, I would be interested in seeing you do a video on the best "Bang for your buck" complete rig. Like where you might say a CSL DD on a Titan rig, with these certain pedals and whatever modifications etc. is the best setup for the best price.
Obviously value for money is subjective, but just a complete rig that's the best value before spending more is edging into diminishing returns. Great video as always.
What a cool guy. I've just bought a csl dd snd I've been Watching loads of reviews about it and I'm glad I've found this channel. Best vid about the dd I've seen.
Awesome, thank you!
clearly the best review on youtube so far in my opinion! Especially for the differences between 5 and 8nm.
All the other youtubers are only like, the 8nm is way better. You are the first who describes the real differences between the two power supplies. Thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful mate!
Great review Karl, now really looking forward to getting my CSL DD in September 😁
Hi Karl! Nice to see your views per video going up. Triple in the same time compared to recent videos is great to see!
25k subscribers milestone is around the corner. Would love to see a Q&A video where you can tell a bit more about yourself.
Keep up the great work!!!
Excellent, comprehensive and unbiased review as always 👍 really does sound like the game-changer that people were predicting! Would love to be able to drop the necessary ££, and your right,we definitely shouldn't be playing with our shafts on camera! 😂🤣
Awesome review Karl, totally honest and open. I've just ordered my CSL DD and Mclaren V2 rim, cannot wait to for it to arrive.
Enjoy mate! :)
Thanks for doing videos like this Karl, really helpful.
Glad you like them!
This guy makes very good reviews, because of his review for the racing seat/ sim I cancelled quickly my order witch I placed a hour before. So I thank you sire. Now I spent a little bit more and I bought the next level racing seat gt track.
Great review Karl. You convince me to start upgrade process.
Quality review mate, well done 👍. You come across as a top bloke too, it’s like I’m listening to a mate telling me about his new purchase. Great job.
Cheers mate! :) I few people say that which is nice to hear.
You have fast become my go to for concise expert advice in upgrading my sim gear, thank you. I've got a CSL Elite but will eventually go to a CSL DD 8nmt
Cheers buddy 👍🏼
I'm glad you find my waffle useful mate thanks!
@@KarlGosling hardly "waffle" mate, very articulate!
Having a small living room and using the family TV for my gaming means I need a cockpit that is small and manoeuvrable... after watching your review of the Playseat Trophy - that seems the logical next step for me from the PS Challenge I've currently got.....
Keep your reviews coming and thanks 👍🏼
You do amazing work man, keep it up!
as usual a really honest and reliable review.. just in the process of buying the new wheel dd pro for ps4/ps5 dedicated for gt sport/gt 7 package... direct drive for console happy days!! so you've just saved me £150 notes for the higher priced 8n pack much appreciated!!
Enjoy mate, it's a decent little DD setup! :)
This long shaft is very important. I added some indicator and windshield wiper levers to my logitech wheel (Now I can play Dirt Rally and ETS2 ver well). With this extra distance I can change to DD without change the wheel base every time I change the game.
For anyone having issues with the CSL DD
* Not being able to calibrate the H-pattern mode of the SQ 1.5 shifter:
(1) Try with the short cable provided with the shifter.
(2) If unsuccessful, unmount the wheel base, hold it tightly between your legs and try with short cable.
** Wheelbase or steering wheel disconnects in driver page or FFB/buttons/pedals quit working in-game:
- on pc -
(1) Connect the wheelbase with a wheel mounted and turn it on.
(2) Open the driver page.
(3) If everything seems connected, tighten the black C-clamp on the wheelbase shaft a bit (or to 15Nm torque) and see if the issue persists
(4) If the issue persists or something shows to be disconnected: Loosen the black C -clamp on the wheelbase shaft till you can rotate it slightly without too much effort.
(5) Rotate the clamp gently till the driver page shows everything connected
(6) Tighten the black C-clamp on the wheelbase shaft a bit (or to 15Nm torque) and see if the issue persists
I've had both issues, where the disconnection issues got worse and worse till the both of my wheels showed disconnected permanently. And after a month of trying drivers/firmware/usb-ports etc. these solutions solved my issues.
*** On my initial fresh install of my CSL DD with Boost kit, the FFB was very weak. This was resolved quickly for me by uninstalling and re-installing the drivers again.
First man I came to watch the reviews! You are always fair and unbiased!
I appreciate that mate thanks!
First time watching; subbed. Great review, open, honest and interesting.
Welcome aboard!
Hi Karl, great review. I'm 60 and have been using my G29 since I started iRacing last year. Upgraded the brakes to AXC-SIM True brake after watching your review. I think I reached the limit of that so upgrade to T-LCM pedals just recently. After watching a few reviews in the CSL-DD I decided to buy the 5Nm version. Now having watched this review I am more convinced that I am making the right choice. About $985 Aust dollars with the McLaren wheel and shipping is a stretch of the finances, but I am sure it will improve the experience and hopefully my driving. Don't know why you only have 25,000 subscribers. The rest are clearly missing out. Big thumbs up for this review. Placed my order last night.
Night and day difference mate, you'll love it! :)
My channel is not even 2 years old so can't complain at 25k :)
If you have a soldering iron and some know how build your self a power supply for the 8nm for like $40… I just did mine and it works great. 8nm is the way to go with this.
There is a couple RUclips video with links to products and explanation on how to solder your own for $30 to $50. Took me 5 min and I was running
Nice to see an old racer. I’m 65 and have been racing for 10 yrs.
I already ordered one two weeks ago. Watching anyways!
This guy really gets into the details unlike the other reviews which are more like infomercials. Hope you dont sell out.
Great review ,looking to get this 5nm CSL next month so found everything I want to know here :) Subbed !
Excellent!
Just found you channel today. Excellent reviews.
Thank you!
Great review Karl. Sounds like its a great alternative to the big boys without losing too much.
Pretty much sums it up mate yes! :)
Great review mate. I just ordered myself one of these plus the McLaren wheel. If anyone else is thinking of doing this do yourself a favour and use the link in the description to this video. Just saved myself over 100 euros. I didn’t even realise that it would be that much. Thanks!!
Thanks a lot for the review, Karl. I have been hesitating to buy a replacement for my 12 year-old Fanatec CSR wheel as I love that wheel so much … it was classically over-engineered and still works beautifully with all the latest sims despite a very modest output (3.5 NM, if I remember correctly), albeit with a ButtKicker to assist with feedback. When this was announced and I was able to purchase the CSL DD on pre-release, I decided to pull the trigger. Now I am glad that I did and look forward to my new wheel arriving in October. Cheers, mate!
You'll enjoy it mate, it's a very decent little wheel!
Thank you for letting me use your discount code I’ve now purchased my goods 😊😊
Excellent! Enjoy mate!
Been waiting for this Review from Karl as again we get honest feedback I'm sold on this now as I was literally about to pull the trigger on the f1 podium for the ps5 capability but now I will wait for the ps5 compatible csl DD, keep up the content Karl love the vids.
Thanks for the great review Karl!
My pleasure!
Great review. Quality stuff Karl. I am very happy with my CSW V 2.5. I think i will wait for CSW DD ;) But buddy of mine is looking for something better than his T300. After your review - I can safely tell him to get one.
Awesome review, hoping November comes soon so I can get mine!
My old g27 steering wheel has served me well and this will be my new upgrade. changed my pedals to the T-LCM Pedals. And I have pre ordered the Fanatec csl dd with a nice steering wheel and upgraded power pack.
You'll enjoy it mate, decent upgrades from the G27!
Great video as always Karl! I've been trying to buy one for PS for a while now and it's out of stock everywhere!! If you're ever selling yours I'll buy haha!
nice video man been watching for like a years and just watching this video thinking when u upgraded from a g29 to the thrustmaster t300 rs with rally wheel it was a big difference on my gt omega prime even the g29 felt better when hooled up to my rig and more stable
Awesome to hear good things! Thanks for the video! Mine is coming with the Mclaren gt3 wheel and csl pedals, I’m hoping it’ll be a worthy upgrade over the tmx pro…
BIG Upgrade over that mate! :)
it is a very clear and useful tutorial. even though I`m still using a gamepad.
Im convinced, im getting this when its back in stock cant wait
It's a great wheel base for the money mate.
@@KarlGosling So I've deciding Im just gonna go for the full 8nm version since it's in stock with the F1 v2.5 wheel and CSL pedals. Im so excited this will be my first setup from controller haha
Extra length on the shaft allows for plenty of space to fit a monitor in front of the chassis of the wheel base, allowing for better FOV settings.
Thats one bonus!
Excite for your review!
Ah mate, very keen on this one!
Thanks Karl, have one on order , to go with the Titan , got an arrive date second week in September. 👍
Nice 👍
You now have in your room the two best electronic cubes ever made: the CSL DD, and the GameCube
Nice review Karl! Perhaps the longer shafts on dd bases are a safety feature? So if you loose control, your hand won't get jammed somewhere.
These must be fantastic steering wheel combos for the price, you can practically purchase an intermediate gaming computer for the price they want just for steering wheel set.
Way above my pay grade!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and opinions on these Carl!
A significant portion of the sim racing community use their pc exclusively for sim racing. The equipment in this video is at the low end of the mid-level gear in price. It ain’t cheap, but it’s so good that real race car drivers use simulators to practice. When you compare the price to something like a single track day it’s suddenly not so crazy.
@@aaronjacobtrent right. looking it as a toy, it's very expensive. Looking at it for what you get, and possibly the alternative (real racing), it's way cheaper.
In the end, it's still a toy, but it's a mans toy and not a kids toy so the price is well.
Thanks for the review! These things are crazy popular had to spring for the boost kit because the standard kit has a 7 month delivery delay compared to 3 months for the boost.
Oh wow thats a fair wait!!
@@KarlGosling Gives me time to research rigs!
On December 28th 2021, I ordered a CSL DD with the booster, and a WRC rim from Fanatec, as well as a GT Omega Prime cockpit with XLRS seat from GT Omega - that was listed as "In Stock" at the time of purchase, but it's been over a month and neither company has even bothered to ship anything yet. So they put me in the "pre-order" waiting line even though I purchased "In Stock" products, only to get nothing, and be told "they'll ship when available", whenever that is. I'm sat here thinking - If it isn't available, then why was it listed as "In Stock?" I wouldn't have bought it if it said pre-order. I feel cheated.
Cheers from Canada Karl!
great review mate. should be nice to see how it works with NLR GT seat....
I just upgraded from the csl elite to the csl dd 👍🏽 good video
"Mo'or", love your accent seriously!
Excellent review as always
Thanks mate!
cant wait. ordered mine yt and now have to wait till november 😭😅🙌
At last a reviewer who doesn't end the video with a conclusion, that you must buy the 8nm one, because you won't be happy otherwise. I use a GT3RS. Everything above that wheel would be a massive step up. The 5nm will be plenty for me. And for my pocket too. 😄 Great video! Subscribed!
5nm is still a good experience mate, 8nm is of course better (as is 20nm or 30nm) but not needed if your budget doesn't allow :)
Good choice m8
Because I’m certain someone will come out with a £40-50 power supply to give you the extra Nm
I can't wait to get mine. Upgrading from a G29 to SCL DD with Mclaren V2 rim. November 23rd cannot come soon enough.
Was thinking about the mclaren too but ended up With the formula 2.5x
Still some time we have to wait but i will See it as my christmas present for myself 😂
@@_NeverLate_ what are your thoughts on the formula 2.5x wheel?I went with mclaren myself but am thinking about getting formula
Great review mate. Cant wait mine with the standard psu, but should be enough coming from G29. :-)
Heavy bit of kit... With a long shaft 😂. Nice one Karl.
I've got the CSW 2.5 and can confirm its the same power supply as the big one for this
Love your videos mate!
Glad you like them!
I now watched quite a few videos of you reviewing things. One thing is would like to see. doing you a few stages in Dirt Rally or an other game. Just setting a few times and seeing you driving with concentration. :)
I have mate, not many but they are there! :)
@@KarlGosling havent found it yet :) I will take a look.
great review, got myne on order
Oh man , you looking to do a sleigh PSU upgrade with some in house know how! That would be very interesting. You got a sub for that one mate :) Great review mate.
Good review, cheers mate. Deffo getting it as soon as funds have accumulated xD
Hope you enjoy it!
hello and congratulations on your videos, I immediately noticed a very slight "electronic hum / micro vibration" when I turned the steering wheel to the right. I also noticed that setting the natural dumper to zero this disappears. The same micro vibrations are also present when I enable natural friction and natural inertia. Thank you for your support
Thanks, excellent review.
Hi Karl, thanks for this review and all the quality content you make 👍. How does this CSL DD behave on wheelstand like NLR or « playseat » like product with the 8nm power supply ? Do we have to upgrade to a more solid rig ?
I will be finding out soon mate!
Can’t wait!
Great review dude! I wonder, can you put on a normal actual car wheel on this, and use it? I've got two extra wheels I use on my G29 now, would be good to be able to use those!
If you buy the correct QR hub from Fanatec yes.
Such a great review my friend.
Thank you! Cheers!
Great Review!
Thanks!
Karl, I have to say, I am probably 1 year into my sim racing (addiction) I find myself researching products etc frequently. After every search I am typing "Karl Gosling" in hopes that youve covered what I am looking for. All of your videos are clear, honest and just straight to the point. Thank you for that. Subbed for life!
My bank account on the other hand, Has some bones to pick hahah
Thanks for the kind words mate! :)
Yes it appears bank accounts and wives are not my best friends?! lol
What I don't get is buying the combo with the 180W to save $20, when you can get the 90W for free plus the 180W if you buy them separate.... so you basically get a 90w backup psu for $20 in case the 180W goes bad while you get it replaced. That's what I would do, but I'm DIYing my own Mean Well 360W PSU.
You should just get both when you order the boost kit as a bundle, and have the option to remove the 90W for extra discount.
Amazing review 👍
Thanks!
@@KarlGosling I’m definitely getting it when im building my sim at the end of the month. Combined with the formula 2.5
As always, amazing review and again I'm considering which one will I buy either the t300rs gt or this one. But anyway, are you planning a review on the new csl pedals as well? Thanks
All I can say is the CSL DD is far superior to the t300rs GT from my pov. Higher torque and it's a DD although it is about £250 more expensive
@@netcald991 yeah that's the thing, for me in Slovakia it's around 350€ more expensive so i will really have to revise it first :) but thanks anyways
Yes I will be reviewing the pedals too! :)
Great review mate. I’ve been using a G923 and it’s been good But the knocking noises the gearing makes is driving me mad. I’m going to upgrade to this as soon as I can. Subbed.
This wil be a great upgrade from the G923 mate, enjoy!
Video idea:
You made once a very good explanation of your force feedback settings for the logitech in Dirt Rally 2.
How about such a guide with the CSL DD?
Hey Karl. Great. Vid as usual. If I only had money for one wheel, which wheel should I buy to go with the dd?
Thats really a choice only you can make mate, will massively depend on what sort of games you play, Rally for example will need a round wheel and cannot be played with an open wheel, but if you're into F1 or other circuit racing you may be ok with just an open wheel and they can be played with a round one if you're a Rally guy too.
My CSL DD just burned up during the first 30 minutes of use :( the magic smoke came out. It felt amazing before it went to join my other dead wheel bases in the sky.
Pro Tip: Cut some popsicle sticks to space the T nuts so they align with the mounting holes in your base so you don't have fits trying to push them in once the first ones are screwed in. Trust me.
Great job as usual :). Which steering wheel would you recommend between the McLaren GT3 and the new CS Steering Wheel RS ?
I've not used the later but the McLaren GT3 feels very cheap and plasticy.
Still watching ya vids mate! Rally sesh needed soon! 😁
Good idea! Been a while!
Pretty sure a 24V@8A PSU will work fine. It's really a shame Fanatec wants 170 USD+tax+20 for shipping for something that costs 30 bucks and a lot less when buying in bulk.
Getting this with 8nm and the McLaren v2 wheel and CSL pedals soon. And getting a full cockpit too. Time to upgrade from the G29
A note about the power supply comment, I thought the exact same thing about the power plug on the back. And I do believe that it is, in fact, the same as the 4 pin CPU power connector on almost every motherboard. BUT, one fundamental difference that will prevent you from cheating the system is that the main power rail in a PC power supply is 12v, whereas this wheel requires 24v, making it completely incompatible with PC power supplies.
Which I'm really disappointed by, because I was really hoping to use my PC power supply to get the maximum 8nm out of this setup. I guess I really will have to shell out the extra 260 AUD after all :(
Yeah you're right mate, I thought there was a 24v rail but there isn't :(
@@KarlGosling It's such a pity, that would've been an awesome free upgrade once it was out of warranty. (Fanatec specifies that using any psu other than the provided ones voids the warranty)
Actually while I have your attention, I'm a bit of a drifting nut and I'm looking at upgrading from a g29 eventually, is there any chance you'd have any experience with drifting using this setup?
Oh also, thanks for doing an unbiased review, this vid was exactly what I was searching for
For old blokes and American's
5 Nm 3.69 ft-lb
8 Nm 5.90 ft-lb
Hi Karl, really like the channel and have bought playseat challenge, f-gt lite, g920, csl dd and csl lc all on your advice. The question I have is now that you have a relationship with Fanatec, can you ask them if there are any plans to work with Microsoft to improve compatibility between their products to include more than just controller buttons. This is the only disappointment I have with all the gear I've bought. Thanks for all the videos, great advice and I have agreed with 99% of your opinions.
Your videos are excellent Karl. Thanks.
Do you have any recommendations for a formula style seating position cockpit that doesn’t cost the Earth yet it more sturdy than a Wheelstand and suitable for the DD with boost kit?
Not anything that I have tried mate, obviously the PSC and F-GT Lite will work but I'm yet to test how well.
@@KarlGosling Thanks for the input 👍 I’ll keep an eye on your channel for future reviews or suitable contenders 😄
just over 5 weeks to go now.....very much looking forward to seeing how this performs against my current G923
you and me both bro. cant wait. by all accounts it will blow our minds :)
There's no comparison mate! :)
All these reviews released at the same time is the definition of simracing blue balls. I'm in the november wave, damn it!
#metoo 😅
Been keeping my eyes open for your take on this. Another top video, thank you.
I must ask, did you teat with that wheel because you didn't want to disturb your main set up or because Fanatec recommended you to use that rim. (Only ask because I'm trying to work out how much heavier will will dampen the FFB)
I used that wheel because my Sparco is deep dish and was far too close to my chest to drive when I fitted it.
IME with fitting bigger/heavier wheels to low powered bases (G920 for example) you lose very little and this is far more powerful than a G920!
@@KarlGosling makes alot of sense. Thank you for you swift response.
top video as always very helpful, thankyou, it is a very tempting buy , been looking for a decent affordable worthy upgrade to my t500rs for a while. after looking online is it correct i can use my thrustmaster t500rs wheel or TP3A Pro pedals with the Fanatec CSL DD base on pc ?
Yeah just grab a USB adapter from TM mate.
@@KarlGosling thankyou.