Hello, I live in the Netherlands where we have en extreme right-wing, islamophobe, pro-zionist government. What I want to point at: In the slipstream of the oppression of anti-genocide protests a union organized 'normie protest' of students and university staff planned for 14 november was forbidden. This protest had a huge degree of popular support and a huge mobilisation potential around a bunch of bread and butter questions. It could have been the first mass protest against domestic economic policies and the first for the unpopularity of the current government in Dutch society. Why it was forbidden? The authorities claimed to have evidence that violent Palastine protester would 'hijack' the protest... I think this adds another highly neferious layer to this particular case of Bad Hasbara that is absolutely worth mentioning and important to be aware of. Apart from that the Dutch Government feasts on lies and distortions about the protest to smear the Turkish and Moroccan minorities. They suppressed anti-genocide protest in Amsterdam, and there is footage of police beating up protesters. I am sure many readers are aware / will not be surprised about this.
Without Matt I'm having a hard time getting anything out of these podcasts. Wills & Felix's upper middle class upbringing really shines through here. Honestly more so Will whose analysis i really used to enjoy. Someone straddled with college debt, without the social network of someone raised by parents working for the NYT and New Yorker, and paying obscene rent isn't going to find solace in the fact that they're useful to someone. Many of the angry young men are employed, i was one of them during my twenties. We need Matt back
well college really failed you because you don't have the listening comprehension skills to notice they said jobs should pay you enough money to sustain yourself (i.e. that means enough for rent and debts). also unlike felix and will, matt has a wife and child and would probably offer an even more scathing reprimand of "angry young men" like yourself. :)
@sandrasim46 haha I'm a married man with a child too. I have empathy for the average working class young men and women who feel lost and angry. I heard the qualifiers they included afterwards but I think Will's experience as someone who grew up in Manhattan with wealthy connected parents is why his only advice is to get a job. It may have solved his problems working as a publisher but for many this isn't going to solve their anger.
@@seanmacstiofain7810 you're a married man with family yet you choose to argue with other insane people in a cth comment section. You sure everything's alright at home?
I was hoping that the Chapo crew would have some insights this morning but they seem stuck on the idea of jobs being some kind of source of meaning when labor under capitalism is intrinsically alienating. Steel workers were famous for hating their jobs, as a nurse who’s taken care of people maimed at work it’s weird to me to hear podcasters talking about how meaningful specific kinds of jobs are vs serving coffee or whatever. What people need is economic stability and a sense of freedom to be able to make the kind of life for themselves that isn’t predetermined by how much money your parents made. Regardless democrats are not going to come up with any solutions to this problem, and neither are republicans. Our only saviors will be ourselves as working class people, organized against bosses cops and landlords everywhere in the world. ✌️
Labor is alienating and most people hate their jobs, but it's much better to have something to do during the day, that pays you and grants some measure of purpose and lets you collab with your peers than it is to be jobless with no prospects.
@@LulaTheStampedenot necessarily, people need both economic security and liberation from alienation. I know that you as a medical worker get to see the immediate effect of hard work and appreciation ( at times ), but there is also tons of tedious labor that sometimes amounts to busywork due to the economic structure that doesn't allow you the space to perform even more effective treatments This is everyday for all the other dayjob workers you seem to think are happy just serving coffee. Maybe some are, but nobody is happy coming home to an eviction notice.
There is labor under communism. In Star Trek people still have jobs. They literally address all these points you have made about the conflict between a more fulfilling life and the alienation inherent in that work under capitalism. Like...listen to the show?
Why is this a 'correction' that has suddenly started showing up everywhere over the past month or so? Was it mentioned in a Tweet that blew up or a TV show or something?
@@deathmagneto-soy the only thing that comes to mind is that there is a scene in Longlegs (which came out earlier this year) where the main character lady corrects another woman for calling it the Book of Revelations, I don't know if that explains the phenomenon that you're observing as I haven't witnessed it myself
@@banjo304 - Holy crap, you're exactly right. That's been nagging me for a few weeks so I'm glad to finally have an answer. The only question now is if people have been 'correcting' this all along and I've just never noticed or whether Longlegs actually had a cultural impact. Which is a question I don't care about. I got my answer.
You kidding me he escaped the hyperspectral mediadome and retired from the beltway garage to focus on his family, his soul is free, and you want to drag him back in? Now? That's cruel and unusual man.
To be somewhat sincere, I think Chapo's "get a job" stance illustrates what's so illusory and unhelpful about "gender-based" cultural and political prescriptions. Like, "men" as a category is so broad that any prescriptive assessment of what their particular experiences are, or what they need to better themselves (which mostly means "agree with me, politically") ends up being a self-serving assessment of a tiny niche within that group. So, when people say "men just need to get a job" they're really talking about NEETs and people without the sort of social and economic grounding (to the extent jobs offer that anymore) to have a stake in society and social interaction. I've known enough people like that (mostly women, though) to know that "get a job" would be good advice for them to take. They're understandably disillusioned by capitalism and the labor market, but they're not any better for being NEETs living in resentful destitution. When liberals online wring their hands about men needing positive male role models, they don't mean NEETS, they mean young gen z guys who they think would be amenable to watching Hasan or any one of the dozens of male progressive youtubers. Sometimes, they don't mean either, and are instead imagining the archetypal white, conservative, lunchpail construction-worker as their audience. There's some overlap between these groups, but, a lot of differences, too (a lot of men do have jobs and don't consume whatever evil online content liberals are always blaming for right-wing radicalization). People say "men", when they're really speaking about subsets of men they imagine having these experiences and shortcomings. Choosing to frame this around "men" writ large (because you want to air out grievances you have about men) means that any broad assessment of their lives, beliefs, and shortcomings will be hollow and alienating to a large segment of them. They'll find it out-of-touch, and then liberals will point to that reaction as evidence for the lost natures of men in this country and dust their hands. Rinse and repeat. The framing of reactionary sentiment in this country as a "men's" issue is ultimately self-serving - it's not about challenging any specific pattern of sexism of bigotry on the part of a subset of men. Tldr - I'm gay
Interesting potential ideas here. But I’m distracted to think it through. I think you’re driving towards this dichotomy between working for money, such as a job or gigs, and having passive income. The bourgeois collect rent, own businesses and collect dividends while not working a job. There are so many people like this that it’s got to be confusing for kids who see them as role models. What is a job?
Sorry guys, I have to go to the hospital because I accidentally dove into the Tim Pool which is insanely shallow. It couldn't have been more that 1 inch deep. They should put up some signs at the Casa Del Libertarian Skatepark, Wine, Sushi, and Cereal bar. 🏊 And why was there a diving board over that puddle? Tim and his girlfriend Moon Dawg better lawyer up and I wish them well on their new pregnancy. Not sure who the mother is, but I'm guessing Moon Dawg because he has those beautiful long curly locks. He's like an alt-right Rapunzel. 😊
I do not appreciate the Amber hate, I don't care that she's had a couple drinks, I would do the same thing when podcasting. Fuck the haters. Amber is the GOAT. The LeBron of the podcast world. And I'll fight her naysayers, including the Chapo Boy Gang
None of these binches would last a month in tech support. I've seen ambulances called for a guy working 60 hour weeks and when they'd hauled him away and we checked his station there were 15 different subreddit tabs open in his browser. The other 20 tabs were a mix of Twitter, Amazon, Microsoft help forums, and CCNA tutorials.
I'm pretty sure that Will and Felix, at least, had real jobs when they met each other while shit-posting on Twitter. (Not sure about Matt.) So that doesn't check out. Also, don't get a job if at all possible. Don't get on the internet either, but don't get a job. Rob banks if you have to. Dress up like a cop and get free food at restaurants. Wear a big diaper and stand near the White House holding a sign that says "babeez 4 Tump" until someone gives you money. Join a violence gang. Deal drugs. Draw comics and give them to all your customers. Start a podcast. Say racial slurs in public until someone murders you. Whatever it takes, just don't ever work. I mean, are you crazy?
24:12 let's not forget how terrible Kamala's 2019 campaign was! There were many news stories about it in the aftermath! She's just a terrible campaigner on a national level, once she starts feeling the need to keep too many plates spinning!
I dont care if matt comes back or not. Theres plenty of him on youtube already, and I think will, felix, and amber do a great job. Love listening to these goof balls when I'm making breakfast in the morning.
To people hating on the jobs argument: it was presented poorly, but it's true. If you give people minimally decent jobs (which are, admittedly, in low supply) they do become less prone to right-wing radicalization. Even then, this burden should not be placed upon the workers, but on the government which failed to create such jobs.
: The one detail that was missing from their argument, and I'll make it here, is that you can't and shouldn't navigate the pitfalls of the labor force alone. I was an insufferable NEET POS for the whole of my 20s, and I guarantee you that if I had the level of class consciousness and the level of understanding as to what my place was within the labor force in any position I took on for a wage, I would have been a lot more well-adjusted then than I am now. I feel like I'm permanently fucked up because I wasn't capable of navigating these things in any other way than on my own. I learned my lessons too goddamned late.
The “get a job” stuff here was pretty nauseating. Felix and Amber made some good points, but also laughable to say that having a job keeps you off the internet. Will’s general idea that getting a job is somehow going to immediately give you some self worth is one of the more out of touch things he has said. The reality is that working a modern job is extremely alienating, as Felix and Amber argued well. I think everyone wants to imagine that every angry young man is living in his parents basement and not working, but it’s not just the case.
Yes it is alienating but its also a necessity. To have a worker's movement you need workers. Promoting the growth of lumpenization is not helpful for socialism.
@@samzeng159 I guess I’m more just pushing back on the idea that people aren’t working. People are working, and it’s not helping them find a sense of worth like it should be. Amber sort of talks about this, but it’s gonna be hard to find that worth if you are working a lot of hours and yet most of your wage goes toward basic cost of living expenses.
That's definitely one of the biggest clues their socialism/marxism is a larp. The alienation from wage-labor is in the freaking Manifesto so they haven't even read that. It also reflects their obsession with bourgeois elections.
@@morganguyer3053 Listen work sucks, its not only alienating but mentally draining. When it gets busy at my work some times I work 60 hrs a week and on the weekends. Lucky for me I don't have kids or a family that needs me; I can only imagine how hard it would be if that were the case. However if I don't work I will be in a even worse situation. As a socialist I cannot be a proletariat or understand them if I don't live as one. Is Amber out of touch? Absolutely but to say hey work sucks stop working is not a solution for anyone. Its a reality that has to be dealt with. There has been a drop in men's labour participation rate specifically in the 25-54 age bracket, people in their prime working year. That is a problem for the left since Marxism has struggled with the Lumpen proletariat class since Marx.
Being fair, _nobody_ shouts Youngstown out unless they're *from* here, or they're referencing a fictional "federal morgue" from a Friday the 13th sequel. A train derailment 20 miles away (East Palestine) was headline national news for weeks. A MULTI-STORY BUILDING FUCKING EXPLODED downtown earlier this year - one that was part of the skyline such as that is - and people around Youngstown itself weren't even talking about it by the end of the next week.
Idk why everyone discounted the betting markets, like those should be more reliable than poll nerds guessing since it's people actually putting billions of dollars down
I’ve been gouging my eyes out for days seeing the brain dead “why Trump won” articles all week, but ironically the closest to a good one I’ve seen was a letter to the editor of my local paper. The person correctly identified that metronoming political parties was a result of both parties being bad and things just getting worse… though they blamed it on a lack on centrism instead of capitalism. Sigh…
I think you made a lot of good points in here. Re - giving men or society at large a sense of purpose. For many, it's work. For me it was. But I'm kind of over it now. The nature of work is changing A LOT. We are all going to end up like Tyler Durden having these meaningless jobs but it's paying our bills. I guess that's still prefereable to us having these jobs that don't pay our bills. Re - If it's a matter of lying to rubes - democrats should lie to the rubes. I agree with that definitely. Meet the people where they are.
Listening to these bourgeoisie layabouts say that the solution to the soul-crushing alienation and loneliness of living as a young man in American is to "get a job" really makes you think that maybe Mao was on to something about the "Stinking Old Ninth"
getting a job won't work. you need therapy. i was miserable before i got a job. then i was miserable and employed. it made me much worse. now i dont have a job and i cant afford therapy. which i couldnt afford while employed anyway. mint
For some people therapy doesn't do shit. The actual thing you need is a social hobby. Take up boxing, football, rock climbing, playing an instrument, knitting with the grandmas at the local library, whatever. Choosing to engage in an activity with other people for the joy of it is so gratifying.
Already listened to this yesterday and then Fantano’s video on Brianna Wuchickennugget popped up today, and I’m trying to remember where I heard that name before. I must have zoned out becasue I had no idea what they were talking about. Anyway, need to go touch grass now. 14:20
@@zainmudassir2964I don't know if it's just my algorithm but it seems to be the opposite, last week has been nothing but videos about the latino vote and why it's ok to throw us under the bus
I dismissed the “misinformation” explanation for DJT for years, in no small part because of this podcast. But I think these guys now know that something has dramatically changed in the past ten years with how the public accesses and processes information in a direction that has led to incoherence and conspiracy. The chapo guys have actually talked and laughed about it a lot - how technology has brought back pre-modern and insane beliefs - but they just refuse to admit that it’s started to have a massive impact on our politics. And they refuse to do so bc of some fear of being labeled “contemptuous” of average voters (even though this explanation doesn’t blame people - it blames technology) and because the traditional tools of the left give us absolutely zero means of solving this problem. They only want to diagnose problems with known cures. This one doesn’t have a cure.
No people choose to trust the machine that keeps fucking them.. Consumerism makes all of that shit possible in the first place and is the primary issue for that reason. None of this is new, stop being thick.
same here. Most men are confused and don't know what the fuck to do and all that liberals do is blame them for everything so of course they're going to gravitate to people like trump and andrew tate that tell them "fuck that shit trust your own strength and fuck anyone else" because there's no alternative social model that they can get involved in right now. 4th wave feminism was an absolute tragic failure, that was so bad it even drove women, queer people, and people of color away. They never wanted equity or equality, they just wanted to use men in their early 20's as a scapegoat, so they didn't have to worry about class consciousness. That shit backfired so hard.
@@LulaTheStampede And it's not helped that we're steeped in the individualistic mindset by most every bit of information we take in. It's all up to you, the individual, to solve all of the problems. Nothing is ever complex or derives from a system. It's all "personal responsibility" and "personal choice" that make up the ramifications of life under capitalism. Can't get a job that pays enough? Maybe you should have made the decision to get a higher education that, for most individuals, translates to years and years of virtual indentured servitude. Can't find a job at all? Maybe you should try applying harder. Can't get anywhere outside of walking distance? You need to buy a car! The earth is heating up and we're running out of fundamental mineral resources? Have you tried shutting off a light and recycling?
@@KevinFeeley_KHF exactly. working class people would literally rather point the finger at each other so they can feel smug about how they're not as poor as you are, then ever actually come together with real class solidarity. They've all convinced themselves they're middle class even if they're paying off loans on a car and a house and don't own any real estate or buisnesses. You even mention socialism to most of those idiots and they immediately react with disgust cause they preacher they go to every sunday that probably gets paid by right wing intrests groups tells them god says socialism is the devil. It's a sad state of affairs.
@GregorySnipe I'm not asking you to feel sorry for them, some of them are genuinely assholes. But maybe we could make some adjustments to the way we talk to and about them. They are winnable
All the chapo haters claiming or pretending to be salt of the earth are so fucking annoying. If you don’t like chapo, don’t listen, or try to give constructive criticism of their politics or something, but stop with that stupid anti-elitism salt of the earth bullshit.
You're looking for John Peterson. The only official Chapo life advice is Grill and Movie Mindset. Otherwise this is a podcast, it is entertainment. It is not meant as a scripture by which to achieve contentment. You can grill, or you can movie mindset. Yin and Yang.
@@justcommenting4981 - Are you in implying that one cannot achieve contentment through grill? You're lucky my fedora is at the drycleaners or I'd pull you for a false dilemma fallacy, young man.
Without Matt, Chapo ends up at, "get a job" and "retail can be fun." Will is so disconnected now, he even said, go out with your friends on the weekend. People are paying 75% of their income on rent. Jesus fucking christ. Amber has always had a combination of incisive and totally stupid takes. Felix is naturally funny, but I've never looked to him for deep insight. Matt, we miss you.
i understand where they are coming from but all the neo nazis and far righters online fucking have jobs thinking their all basement dwelling losers is stupid you can only think that so much before confronted with the reality of far right politics and movements gripping the west like israelis have jobs doesn’t stop them from almost starting a insurgency for their right to r*pe
Weird that Americans can't understand a silent letter when it comes to Hamtracks but they're still perfectly capable of pronouncing 'knife' without the K. Racist much?
The most annoying thing about clicking on a TrapHouse video on RUclips is I get bombarded by recommends for Kyle Kuslinski videos where he's crying about his numbers and how Joe Rogan won't have him back on his show. The dude recently got married and decided to ramp up the in-game 'Annoying prick' parameters to the max? ¿Qué pasó?
I occasionally listen to Joe Rogan (only when he has a great crank on, like a “scientist” who thinks he knows where the lost city of Atlantis is…. Awesome) and it’s like, wow Joe Rogan is stupid? EARTH SHATTERING!!!
@@shanemcgonnell9910 - My favourite Joe Rogan episode was when he had Flint Dibble on to counter the Graham Hancock garbage. My second favourite was Bernie.
@@iwontgiveyoumyinformation8895 - I don't hate Kyle at all. I just think he's clipped himself into the drama bullshit sphere and that it was inevitable because at the root he's a sponge-brained lib.
Do you not think that it’s probably a good thing for both yourself and society at large to be gainfully employed (unless you work at, say, Raytheon/Goldman Sachs/United Health), even if it’s not under conditions you like or feel comfortable with?
The best way to be happy is to just get an income and enjoy life instead of waiting for the total societal overhaul that'll validate the unemployed bohemian lifestyle. I've been a successful socialist freelance artist for my entire 20s and though it was great fun, it would never allow me to spoil the person I want to marry one day as much as they deserve, and certainly can't support any plans to have a family. There's plenty of nice, generous, smart, funny, creative dudes out there who are also dependably employed, and it's such a long and honestly unfair journey, once you realise that's what you want, you'll rue every day wasted faffing about picking flowers by the side of the road instead of walking it. I recognise there is an employment crisis in many parts of the world, but better to die fighting against the floodwaters than spend your last breath complaining about how you shouldn't have to drown if someone else did things differently.
The entire point of a job being "meaningless" depends on a sense of humanity and self-achievement that you demand the most impactful role possible to do the maximum good. We have been alienated into a drone species, and this should allow cashiers and stockers a life of mundane personal relations that are complex and discreet. A small, simple life of personal fulfillment where you're hardly aware of how important you are by maintaining the community you live in. Instead, conservatives are demanding that we have a plurality of all jobs who identify as sin eaters for the rest of the population who will live as serfs in modern abundance.
If you stop screaming for two minutes and listen “a job that has some meaning behind it is good for you cuz it gives your life meaning as well” you can continue to punch the drywall and hole at the moon now
Thanks to Amber for that old Chapo magic
I love how "my family are in a schizophrenic religious cult" is just a normal thing to say in America
Real men have their surplus labor value extracted. Don't forget to tip your boss!
[Arthur Fleck laugh - before face resets to depression.]
We need a leftist Chapo Trap House
The Adam Friedland Show
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we need a Chapo Trap House, but with gay hosts..
@@hemingshark327 Will they talk about having sex with their dads?
@@hemingshark327 The Young Turks
You give a mouse schizophrenia, he's gonna ask for a glass of milk
Mice can't have schizophrenia, you need a self first in order to break it
🎶Shot through the heart,
and you're to blame,
Honey you give a mouse,
Schizophrenia🎶
I watch chapo cause it's one of the few signs of life left on this god damn decrepit internet.
Love the episodes where you guys are all in the same room. Ads some extra chapo magic to hear Chris's laugh in the background
Love the pod but I never want to hear any of the chapos tell me to get a job haha
Hello, I live in the Netherlands where we have en extreme right-wing, islamophobe, pro-zionist government.
What I want to point at: In the slipstream of the oppression of anti-genocide protests a union organized 'normie protest' of students and university staff planned for 14 november was forbidden. This protest had a huge degree of popular support and a huge mobilisation potential around a bunch of bread and butter questions. It could have been the first mass protest against domestic economic policies and the first for the unpopularity of the current government in Dutch society.
Why it was forbidden? The authorities claimed to have evidence that violent Palastine protester would 'hijack' the protest...
I think this adds another highly neferious layer to this particular case of Bad Hasbara that is absolutely worth mentioning and important to be aware of.
Apart from that the Dutch Government feasts on lies and distortions about the protest to smear the Turkish and Moroccan minorities. They suppressed anti-genocide protest in Amsterdam, and there is footage of police beating up protesters. I am sure many readers are aware / will not be surprised about this.
In conclusion, what have we learned? Not a single damn thing.
i just want cumtown back
Real
Say it again for those in the back
"It can't be the economic system we keep doubling down on. It has to be literally anything else!!!!"
Without Matt I'm having a hard time getting anything out of these podcasts. Wills & Felix's upper middle class upbringing really shines through here. Honestly more so Will whose analysis i really used to enjoy. Someone straddled with college debt, without the social network of someone raised by parents working for the NYT and New Yorker, and paying obscene rent isn't going to find solace in the fact that they're useful to someone. Many of the angry young men are employed, i was one of them during my twenties. We need Matt back
well college really failed you because you don't have the listening comprehension skills to notice they said jobs should pay you enough money to sustain yourself (i.e. that means enough for rent and debts). also unlike felix and will, matt has a wife and child and would probably offer an even more scathing reprimand of "angry young men" like yourself. :)
@@sandrasim46yes and candy and lollipops should grow on trees but that’s not the world we live in.
@sandrasim46 haha I'm a married man with a child too. I have empathy for the average working class young men and women who feel lost and angry. I heard the qualifiers they included afterwards but I think Will's experience as someone who grew up in Manhattan with wealthy connected parents is why his only advice is to get a job. It may have solved his problems working as a publisher but for many this isn't going to solve their anger.
@@seanmacstiofain7810 you're a married man with family yet you choose to argue with other insane people in a cth comment section. You sure everything's alright at home?
we miss our big relatable boy
I was hoping that the Chapo crew would have some insights this morning but they seem stuck on the idea of jobs being some kind of source of meaning when labor under capitalism is intrinsically alienating. Steel workers were famous for hating their jobs, as a nurse who’s taken care of people maimed at work it’s weird to me to hear podcasters talking about how meaningful specific kinds of jobs are vs serving coffee or whatever. What people need is economic stability and a sense of freedom to be able to make the kind of life for themselves that isn’t predetermined by how much money your parents made. Regardless democrats are not going to come up with any solutions to this problem, and neither are republicans. Our only saviors will be ourselves as working class people, organized against bosses cops and landlords everywhere in the world. ✌️
Labor is alienating and most people hate their jobs, but it's much better to have something to do during the day, that pays you and grants some measure of purpose and lets you collab with your peers than it is to be jobless with no prospects.
Talk about missing the fucking point entirely.
@@LulaTheStampedenot necessarily, people need both economic security and liberation from alienation. I know that you as a medical worker get to see the immediate effect of hard work and appreciation ( at times ),
but there is also tons of tedious labor that sometimes amounts to busywork due to the economic structure that doesn't allow you the space to perform even more effective treatments
This is everyday for all the other dayjob workers you seem to think are happy just serving coffee. Maybe some are, but nobody is happy coming home to an eviction notice.
There is labor under communism. In Star Trek people still have jobs. They literally address all these points you have made about the conflict between a more fulfilling life and the alienation inherent in that work under capitalism. Like...listen to the show?
@@hieronymushieronymus8768 You can't build a house or farm food without labor. The problem isn't labor it's capitalism.
thank you guys for making me feel less completely fucking insane about the fact that nobody seems to give a shit about a genocide.
Most Americans are just bloodthirsty NPCs with state dept dialogue trees, it's depressing but there are real people here too...I think...
IT'S THE BOOK OF REVELATION! SINGULAR! JOHN OF PATMOS HAD ONE REVELATION!
As expected, Felix got it right
Felix knows all parts of the bible, even the fake gentile chapters
Why is this a 'correction' that has suddenly started showing up everywhere over the past month or so?
Was it mentioned in a Tweet that blew up or a TV show or something?
@@deathmagneto-soy the only thing that comes to mind is that there is a scene in Longlegs (which came out earlier this year) where the main character lady corrects another woman for calling it the Book of Revelations, I don't know if that explains the phenomenon that you're observing as I haven't witnessed it myself
Also RIP to the earlier comment about Felix knowing everything about the Bible, even the fake Gentile parts. That was funny.
@@banjo304 - Holy crap, you're exactly right. That's been nagging me for a few weeks so I'm glad to finally have an answer.
The only question now is if people have been 'correcting' this all along and I've just never noticed or whether Longlegs actually had a cultural impact.
Which is a question I don't care about. I got my answer.
"Monkey Ronin." I'd watch tf out of that show.
Just want matt back
Especially now.
Idk it seems like he got away clean
What's the latest on his situation?
Feel like pure shit 😭
You kidding me he escaped the hyperspectral mediadome and retired from the beltway garage to focus on his family, his soul is free, and you want to drag him back in? Now?
That's cruel and unusual man.
To be somewhat sincere, I think Chapo's "get a job" stance illustrates what's so illusory and unhelpful about "gender-based" cultural and political prescriptions. Like, "men" as a category is so broad that any prescriptive assessment of what their particular experiences are, or what they need to better themselves (which mostly means "agree with me, politically") ends up being a self-serving assessment of a tiny niche within that group.
So, when people say "men just need to get a job" they're really talking about NEETs and people without the sort of social and economic grounding (to the extent jobs offer that anymore) to have a stake in society and social interaction. I've known enough people like that (mostly women, though) to know that "get a job" would be good advice for them to take. They're understandably disillusioned by capitalism and the labor market, but they're not any better for being NEETs living in resentful destitution. When liberals online wring their hands about men needing positive male role models, they don't mean NEETS, they mean young gen z guys who they think would be amenable to watching Hasan or any one of the dozens of male progressive youtubers. Sometimes, they don't mean either, and are instead imagining the archetypal white, conservative, lunchpail construction-worker as their audience.
There's some overlap between these groups, but, a lot of differences, too (a lot of men do have jobs and don't consume whatever evil online content liberals are always blaming for right-wing radicalization). People say "men", when they're really speaking about subsets of men they imagine having these experiences and shortcomings. Choosing to frame this around "men" writ large (because you want to air out grievances you have about men) means that any broad assessment of their lives, beliefs, and shortcomings will be hollow and alienating to a large segment of them. They'll find it out-of-touch, and then liberals will point to that reaction as evidence for the lost natures of men in this country and dust their hands. Rinse and repeat. The framing of reactionary sentiment in this country as a "men's" issue is ultimately self-serving - it's not about challenging any specific pattern of sexism of bigotry on the part of a subset of men.
Tldr - I'm gay
Interesting potential ideas here. But I’m distracted to think it through. I think you’re driving towards this dichotomy between working for money, such as a job or gigs, and having passive income. The bourgeois collect rent, own businesses and collect dividends while not working a job. There are so many people like this that it’s got to be confusing for kids who see them as role models. What is a job?
god i missed amber
me too
Amber rules.
It's been so long since Amber was last on the pod that the Amber haters in the comments section are MIA.
The good jobs are all in the military industrial complex or healthcare profit extraction. Thanks Obama.
@@Mark-jr6ld union construction jobs also pay very good money. It's just that no matter how much you make construction work fucking sucks
@@Mark-jr6ldwe are in feudal times where a knight can get secret security clearance and make 100k resetting forgotten passwords for military boomers
A good American job means 10 hours of emailing per week and the rest is online shopping.
Get in the trades brother. Join a union
Was it Frederic Jameson that was semi-ironically arguing at one point that the US should expand the MIC until it employs everyone?
Sorry guys, I have to go to the hospital because I accidentally dove into the Tim Pool which is insanely shallow. It couldn't have been more that 1 inch deep. They should put up some signs at the Casa Del Libertarian Skatepark, Wine, Sushi, and Cereal bar. 🏊
And why was there a diving board over that puddle? Tim and his girlfriend Moon Dawg better lawyer up and I wish them well on their new pregnancy. Not sure who the mother is, but I'm guessing Moon Dawg because he has those beautiful long curly locks. He's like an alt-right Rapunzel. 😊
I do not appreciate the Amber hate, I don't care that she's had a couple drinks, I would do the same thing when podcasting. Fuck the haters. Amber is the GOAT. The LeBron of the podcast world. And I'll fight her naysayers, including the Chapo Boy Gang
They didn't mention it but the Maccabi fans were chanting things like "there are no more schools in Gaza because there are no children left"
Just implied by being Israeli
Absolute vermin!
Matt Christman God bless him 🙏
Getting a job does not "get you off the internet"; clearly none of you have actually worked a job
None of these binches would last a month in tech support.
I've seen ambulances called for a guy working 60 hour weeks and when they'd hauled him away and we checked his station there were 15 different subreddit tabs open in his browser.
The other 20 tabs were a mix of Twitter, Amazon, Microsoft help forums, and CCNA tutorials.
I'm pretty sure that Will and Felix, at least, had real jobs when they met each other while shit-posting on Twitter. (Not sure about Matt.) So that doesn't check out.
Also, don't get a job if at all possible. Don't get on the internet either, but don't get a job. Rob banks if you have to. Dress up like a cop and get free food at restaurants. Wear a big diaper and stand near the White House holding a sign that says "babeez 4 Tump" until someone gives you money. Join a violence gang. Deal drugs. Draw comics and give them to all your customers. Start a podcast. Say racial slurs in public until someone murders you. Whatever it takes, just don't ever work. I mean, are you crazy?
Amber.
The start of the zombie monke apocalypse...
Hearing Will say "Monkey News" gave me such a jolt of nostalgia
"Ya ffff----"
Thank God Amber is back!
I work at a highschool and I can think of at least 6 kids just amongst my freshman that are named Zander/Xander
Square Enix was a mistake
Amber!
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24:12 let's not forget how terrible Kamala's 2019 campaign was! There were many news stories about it in the aftermath! She's just a terrible campaigner on a national level, once she starts feeling the need to keep too many plates spinning!
Good morning Vietnam
I was thinking the same thing this morning 😂
"You mean like... _people_ ? Are _people_ the acid? Maybe they're sensing you hate them."
😂
Always good to hear Amber back
"tear my heart open, sew myself shut. My weakness is that I care too much"
-Kamala Harris
I dont care if matt comes back or not. Theres plenty of him on youtube already, and I think will, felix, and amber do a great job. Love listening to these goof balls when I'm making breakfast in the morning.
50th and gay. Welcome to the zone, folks!
big fan of mid gays
40:06 “I mean it’s one banana Michael, how much could it cost, $10?
50:48 - phones and lack of literacy! And neither party is doing anything to ensure literacy is learned in schools or teach adult literacy!
Trump might dismantle the department of education education.
To people hating on the jobs argument: it was presented poorly, but it's true. If you give people minimally decent jobs (which are, admittedly, in low supply) they do become less prone to right-wing radicalization. Even then, this burden should not be placed upon the workers, but on the government which failed to create such jobs.
: The one detail that was missing from their argument, and I'll make it here, is that you can't and shouldn't navigate the pitfalls of the labor force alone. I was an insufferable NEET POS for the whole of my 20s, and I guarantee you that if I had the level of class consciousness and the level of understanding as to what my place was within the labor force in any position I took on for a wage, I would have been a lot more well-adjusted then than I am now. I feel like I'm permanently fucked up because I wasn't capable of navigating these things in any other way than on my own. I learned my lessons too goddamned late.
American election, reminds of that national tragedy.
The “get a job” stuff here was pretty nauseating. Felix and Amber made some good points, but also laughable to say that having a job keeps you off the internet. Will’s general idea that getting a job is somehow going to immediately give you some self worth is one of the more out of touch things he has said. The reality is that working a modern job is extremely alienating, as Felix and Amber argued well. I think everyone wants to imagine that every angry young man is living in his parents basement and not working, but it’s not just the case.
Ok, how about an internship? Not disagreeing with you.
Yes it is alienating but its also a necessity. To have a worker's movement you need workers. Promoting the growth of lumpenization is not helpful for socialism.
@@samzeng159 I guess I’m more just pushing back on the idea that people aren’t working. People are working, and it’s not helping them find a sense of worth like it should be. Amber sort of talks about this, but it’s gonna be hard to find that worth if you are working a lot of hours and yet most of your wage goes toward basic cost of living expenses.
That's definitely one of the biggest clues their socialism/marxism is a larp. The alienation from wage-labor is in the freaking Manifesto so they haven't even read that. It also reflects their obsession with bourgeois elections.
@@morganguyer3053 Listen work sucks, its not only alienating but mentally draining. When it gets busy at my work some times I work 60 hrs a week and on the weekends. Lucky for me I don't have kids or a family that needs me; I can only imagine how hard it would be if that were the case. However if I don't work I will be in a even worse situation. As a socialist I cannot be a proletariat or understand them if I don't live as one. Is Amber out of touch? Absolutely but to say hey work sucks stop working is not a solution for anyone. Its a reality that has to be dealt with. There has been a drop in men's labour participation rate specifically in the 25-54 age bracket, people in their prime working year. That is a problem for the left since Marxism has struggled with the Lumpen proletariat class since Marx.
Great episode Mr. Chapo. Loved the discussion on the value of meaningful employment.
Being fair, _nobody_ shouts Youngstown out unless they're *from* here, or they're referencing a fictional "federal morgue" from a Friday the 13th sequel. A train derailment 20 miles away (East Palestine) was headline national news for weeks. A MULTI-STORY BUILDING FUCKING EXPLODED downtown earlier this year - one that was part of the skyline such as that is - and people around Youngstown itself weren't even talking about it by the end of the next week.
Will was the only one who called trump victory in my media bubble
Idk why everyone discounted the betting markets, like those should be more reliable than poll nerds guessing since it's people actually putting billions of dollars down
@@berdyderg900 Listen to trueanon if you think the betting markets mean anything
Yes! Amber episodes are always great! Long live the dictatorship of the proletariat!
Cringe
I’ve been gouging my eyes out for days seeing the brain dead “why Trump won” articles all week, but ironically the closest to a good one I’ve seen was a letter to the editor of my local paper. The person correctly identified that metronoming political parties was a result of both parties being bad and things just getting worse… though they blamed it on a lack on centrism instead of capitalism. Sigh…
You're still lost LOL
@@thehighlightsreel953 ?
God, America is so unfunny.
You should change your name to bonyturds123
I too was confused by the Zach Bryan country singer drama and thought it about Zach Brown of "Chicken Fried"
I think you made a lot of good points in here.
Re - giving men or society at large a sense of purpose. For many, it's work. For me it was. But I'm kind of over it now. The nature of work is changing A LOT. We are all going to end up like Tyler Durden having these meaningless jobs but it's paying our bills. I guess that's still prefereable to us having these jobs that don't pay our bills.
Re - If it's a matter of lying to rubes - democrats should lie to the rubes. I agree with that definitely. Meet the people where they are.
Not to mention while all this shit is going on the earth is slowly burning to a fucking crisp.
Listening to these bourgeoisie layabouts say that the solution to the soul-crushing alienation and loneliness of living as a young man in American is to "get a job" really makes you think that maybe Mao was on to something about the "Stinking Old Ninth"
getting a job won't work. you need therapy. i was miserable before i got a job. then i was miserable and employed. it made me much worse. now i dont have a job and i cant afford therapy. which i couldnt afford while employed anyway. mint
For some people therapy doesn't do shit. The actual thing you need is a social hobby. Take up boxing, football, rock climbing, playing an instrument, knitting with the grandmas at the local library, whatever. Choosing to engage in an activity with other people for the joy of it is so gratifying.
Government appointed gfs vs government appointed dads 😔
Already listened to this yesterday and then Fantano’s video on Brianna Wuchickennugget popped up today, and I’m trying to remember where I heard that name before. I must have zoned out becasue I had no idea what they were talking about. Anyway, need to go touch grass now. 14:20
I had heard in the media , that the monkeys were not tainted .
it's the dawning of a new age of chapo or something
Rise of the planet of the chapos
Chapo renaissance
At least Trump will cause boom of left wing content and stop kissing boots of liberals like contrapoints
@@zainmudassir2964ok this is the stupidest thing i've read now.
@@zainmudassir2964I don't know if it's just my algorithm but it seems to be the opposite, last week has been nothing but videos about the latino vote and why it's ok to throw us under the bus
I dismissed the “misinformation” explanation for DJT for years, in no small part because of this podcast. But I think these guys now know that something has dramatically changed in the past ten years with how the public accesses and processes information in a direction that has led to incoherence and conspiracy. The chapo guys have actually talked and laughed about it a lot - how technology has brought back pre-modern and insane beliefs - but they just refuse to admit that it’s started to have a massive impact on our politics.
And they refuse to do so bc of some fear of being labeled “contemptuous” of average voters (even though this explanation doesn’t blame people - it blames technology) and because the traditional tools of the left give us absolutely zero means of solving this problem.
They only want to diagnose problems with known cures. This one doesn’t have a cure.
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No people choose to trust the machine that keeps fucking them..
Consumerism makes all of that shit possible in the first place and is the primary issue for that reason.
None of this is new, stop being thick.
Chapo Trap House? More like Paid Ass House Loan.
Amber is killing it.
58:28 🎯 Having worked with angry, directionless young men, I can say this section was spot on.
same here. Most men are confused and don't know what the fuck to do and all that liberals do is blame them for everything so of course they're going to gravitate to people like trump and andrew tate that tell them "fuck that shit trust your own strength and fuck anyone else" because there's no alternative social model that they can get involved in right now. 4th wave feminism was an absolute tragic failure, that was so bad it even drove women, queer people, and people of color away. They never wanted equity or equality, they just wanted to use men in their early 20's as a scapegoat, so they didn't have to worry about class consciousness. That shit backfired so hard.
@@LulaTheStampede And it's not helped that we're steeped in the individualistic mindset by most every bit of information we take in. It's all up to you, the individual, to solve all of the problems. Nothing is ever complex or derives from a system. It's all "personal responsibility" and "personal choice" that make up the ramifications of life under capitalism.
Can't get a job that pays enough? Maybe you should have made the decision to get a higher education that, for most individuals, translates to years and years of virtual indentured servitude.
Can't find a job at all? Maybe you should try applying harder.
Can't get anywhere outside of walking distance? You need to buy a car!
The earth is heating up and we're running out of fundamental mineral resources? Have you tried shutting off a light and recycling?
@@KevinFeeley_KHF exactly. working class people would literally rather point the finger at each other so they can feel smug about how they're not as poor as you are, then ever actually come together with real class solidarity. They've all convinced themselves they're middle class even if they're paying off loans on a car and a house and don't own any real estate or buisnesses. You even mention socialism to most of those idiots and they immediately react with disgust cause they preacher they go to every sunday that probably gets paid by right wing intrests groups tells them god says socialism is the devil. It's a sad state of affairs.
@@CypressSaint Boo hoo, cry me a river. I'm playing the world's smallest violin for them.
@GregorySnipe I'm not asking you to feel sorry for them, some of them are genuinely assholes. But maybe we could make some adjustments to the way we talk to and about them. They are winnable
Election analysis starts 17:17
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God, Sharks are so insufferable
Yes!!!! Amber lands some really funny bits here! Biden as the neighbor who bbqs is so good.
Beginning Start is so funny goddamn
I can’t think of anything worse than someone trying to give me a job.
monkeys escaping a lab is an episode of The Lone Gunmen, and not the pilot ep that basically depicted/predicted 9/11 before it happened
I don’t wanna be that guy but I will, it’s pronounced Yahmahsee
Sounds Jewish.
Productivity squeeze is a big factor in happiness
Felix spot on at 45 ❤️💚🧡
Hi Amber!
We love our Amber don't we folks.
Chapo activated the NEETS with this one
"Non-Workers of the World Unite"
Bribe Amber to get her on Mic more often!
Doom 3 Alpha Labs
Doom 3 Delta Labs
Amber drunk af, we love her don’t we folks
We love our Amber.
That neurology story was fake AF but I forgive her for being in derangement after glow
Gigglepuss and president xanax milf are stellar lines
All the chapo haters claiming or pretending to be salt of the earth are so fucking annoying. If you don’t like chapo, don’t listen, or try to give constructive criticism of their politics or something, but stop with that stupid anti-elitism salt of the earth bullshit.
"Construction workers would agree that I should never do anything hard or be useful to others."
Ok Will, can your dad get me a job as an editor at Penguin Press like he got you? Because I have a job right now and it's not helping.
Chimpanzee that!
Matt Chimpanzeeman
@aaaaZa100 chimpanzee Matt!
I..I got that reference. #Pilkington
It's literally Monkey News.
You should get a job. Well, a job that doesn't suck. Hope that helps!
You're looking for John Peterson. The only official Chapo life advice is Grill and Movie Mindset. Otherwise this is a podcast, it is entertainment. It is not meant as a scripture by which to achieve contentment. You can grill, or you can movie mindset. Yin and Yang.
@@justcommenting4981 - Are you in implying that one cannot achieve contentment through grill?
You're lucky my fedora is at the drycleaners or I'd pull you for a false dilemma fallacy, young man.
@@justcommenting4981 their milking the chinese penises!!
Without Matt, Chapo ends up at, "get a job" and "retail can be fun." Will is so disconnected now, he even said, go out with your friends on the weekend. People are paying 75% of their income on rent. Jesus fucking christ. Amber has always had a combination of incisive and totally stupid takes. Felix is naturally funny, but I've never looked to him for deep insight. Matt, we miss you.
Maybe tell me about your friends you have in real life
i understand where they are coming from but all the neo nazis and far righters online fucking have jobs thinking their all basement dwelling losers is stupid you can only think that so much before confronted with the reality of far right politics and movements gripping the west like israelis have jobs doesn’t stop them from almost starting a insurgency for their right to r*pe
I was surprised hearing this take from Chapo… get a job, feel a purpose , what??? Sounds like Benny boy or Jordan Peterson
@@Teachingtony Do you need to hear what it's like to have friends IRL?
A Chapo liveshow ticket is an investment in your future, spend generously you cheap f***s!
Do you guys do transcripts? This stuff is canon.
So funny listening to all these ppl try to pronounce Hamtramck
Weird that Americans can't understand a silent letter when it comes to Hamtracks but they're still perfectly capable of pronouncing 'knife' without the K.
Racist much?
The most annoying thing about clicking on a TrapHouse video on RUclips is I get bombarded by recommends for Kyle Kuslinski videos where he's crying about his numbers and how Joe Rogan won't have him back on his show.
The dude recently got married and decided to ramp up the in-game 'Annoying prick' parameters to the max?
¿Qué pasó?
I occasionally listen to Joe Rogan (only when he has a great crank on, like a “scientist” who thinks he knows where the lost city of Atlantis is…. Awesome) and it’s like, wow Joe Rogan is stupid? EARTH SHATTERING!!!
@@shanemcgonnell9910 - My favourite Joe Rogan episode was when he had Flint Dibble on to counter the Graham Hancock garbage. My second favourite was Bernie.
damn i did not know we were kyle haters here. i can't say i approve of that
@@shanemcgonnell9910 Wait Joe Rogan has had Robert Sephear on?
@@iwontgiveyoumyinformation8895 - I don't hate Kyle at all. I just think he's clipped himself into the drama bullshit sphere and that it was inevitable because at the root he's a sponge-brained lib.
I hate when wealthy people use the "just get a job" trope. Glad I can always rely on good ole chapo to... Wait what?
A left podcast telling you that selling your labor to a corporation is the answer to self-worth, just like your right-wing granddad born in 1932!
Do you not think that it’s probably a good thing for both yourself and society at large to be gainfully employed (unless you work at, say, Raytheon/Goldman Sachs/United Health), even if it’s not under conditions you like or feel comfortable with?
The best way to be happy is to just get an income and enjoy life instead of waiting for the total societal overhaul that'll validate the unemployed bohemian lifestyle. I've been a successful socialist freelance artist for my entire 20s and though it was great fun, it would never allow me to spoil the person I want to marry one day as much as they deserve, and certainly can't support any plans to have a family. There's plenty of nice, generous, smart, funny, creative dudes out there who are also dependably employed, and it's such a long and honestly unfair journey, once you realise that's what you want, you'll rue every day wasted faffing about picking flowers by the side of the road instead of walking it.
I recognise there is an employment crisis in many parts of the world, but better to die fighting against the floodwaters than spend your last breath complaining about how you shouldn't have to drown if someone else did things differently.
The entire point of a job being "meaningless" depends on a sense of humanity and self-achievement that you demand the most impactful role possible to do the maximum good. We have been alienated into a drone species, and this should allow cashiers and stockers a life of mundane personal relations that are complex and discreet. A small, simple life of personal fulfillment where you're hardly aware of how important you are by maintaining the community you live in. Instead, conservatives are demanding that we have a plurality of all jobs who identify as sin eaters for the rest of the population who will live as serfs in modern abundance.
There's likely an interesting thought in here trying to get out & show itself.
@transom2 find someone who knows how to read and ask them for help
Where is my hat... 2 month wait time is pretty slow delivery
sounds like someones not doing their job 😂😂
Oh, I actually got it, they mailed your hat to me and im wearing it
Twirling towards freedom
23:59 Hamtrak? 🤨🤔
S/o polish sea league, the best bar in the country
AI Matt Christman
GrillGPT™
Amber is back?
Hi 👋
Good morning
31:05 bro I think “pragmatic idealism” is literally from the west wing 😭😭😂😭😭 these people dude
I love shar
Doo-doo-doo do do!
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Trump did work harder for it.
No. Kamala worked harder but her messaging was shit.
@@jonathanwpressmanShe didn't even try
@@jonathanwpressman I voted for her and, no, she, like Hillary, expected to win and didn't work for it.
Yeah I didn't see any dems out here jerking microphones off
As soon as he put those fries in the sleeve and said ‘never touches the human hand’ it was over.
Get a job is what you say.Well you guys are really out of touch on that particular issue
If you stop screaming for two minutes and listen “a job that has some meaning behind it is good for you cuz it gives your life meaning as well” you can continue to punch the drywall and hole at the moon now
@shanemcgonnell9910 Bro , the crazy people in the country are right wingers and they all have jobs
Bring matt and virgil back.
virgil sucks
@@EdwardAppleby-xk1yq - Not as much as you blow.
#Stopthestargatesteal
do you mean starlink