WOW.... As an engineer of 40 years, it really takes allot to catch my attention, let alone, hold my attention. I have spent almost all of my life time cramming info into my dinky bean brain. Now, with that said, I am highly and exceptionally impressed with this. The video editing is top notch on the audio and video. You explained what you were doing at an elementary level, that allot of high IQ people fail to be able to do and you did that wonderfully. You didn't take for granted that somebody "just already knows what you know as second nature". I would like to thank you for the amount of time that you set aside to make this happen as that I can only assume, was well over 200 hours, if not more than that over the years of honing the R&D aspect of this design. I was thoroughly entertained. I even learned a few things from your video here today. Thank you. This was an easy click to subscribe to your channel and I look forwards to the next videos of this simulator build. I did I quick skim-through of your older video titles, just to see what you have showcased already, I think I will enjoy watching those as well. Well done.
If I can make a suggestion on the throttle, some PTFE Teflon spray or even PTFE powder as used by bicyclists on plastic parts would make that throttle as well as other parts without bearings run really smoothly. Really superb build. Thank you for sharing.
(This is just a 'drive-by' comment.) I haven't watched much of the video, but after seeing the thumbnail image and clicking on it, I just had to say that you build amazing stuff, and your videos inspire me to learn a lot more and to put that knowledge into practice in my own sim, which is very much in the planning stages. Thanks.
Ok you just managed to design the most advanced and realistic helicopter controllers available in the entire world, that's truely amazing.. As an helicopter engineer too and trying myself to design a collective I've been confronted to the force trim issue and you just popped in my recommandation with the solution i'm amazed and jealous not being able to find a proper way by myself ! Aesome work !
Hello fellow engineer! Thank you for the very kind words and feeling very humbled. I remember waking up one day and thinking, why not use a stepper as the mag brake? 24 hours later, the basic principal was proven and this was the end result.
Well done with the flying! I follow your channel because I'm an engineer who migrated to the cockpit of the 737 too many years ago, but I love to tinker. I have also tried flying rotary several times and as my instructor friend once said its like trying to "shave and w#nk at the same time" its dangerous! Excellent channel!
Two years ago I flew S58's for a summer drying cherries. It was impressive how much of a difference a correlator makes, and ultimately I didn't notice a whole lot of difference flying without a governor. It's inspiring watching your videos and seeing how far one can go with a simpit. Eventually I would like to build one of your collective and cyclic's. Keep up the amazing work.
I worked as a cherry picker in New Zealand for one season and was surpised they use helicopters to dry the cherries after a rainfall, no wonder cherries are so expensive! Haha must have been a cool job flying over the orchard for some time!
I am not going to lie, I bought this the moment I first saw this video. I was mesmorized! Several hundred dollars later and a few months later, it is almost finished! I didn't anticipate just how much it would cost to order the large variety of nuts and bolts, mis-identified switches and buttons (finding equivelants on US amazon/ebay) among many other twists and turns. You made this look so easy and here, after all that, I'm almost there! I can't wait to get the set all plugged in and calibrated! just waiting on the stepper drivers and we're off!
I ran into a few small quirky issues. the ones primarily giving me problems are the springs. I just can't seem to find springs to match the ones you've used and either mine are too strong or soft for the application. The worst offender has been the cyclic spring attached to the frame. I've also printed the collective grip a couple of times and the tolerances for the heatset inserts just are too large and I haven't found a good work-around that doesn't involve modifying the stls. I love the design though and all I have left for the set is wiring everything up.
15:28, reading quality is higher in a hall sensor but really its for futureproofing. Pots WILL die, and sometimes fairly quickly, its what kills pretty much all flight controls on the market eventually and so people would rather spend a little more and have a hall sensor which as far as I have heard will last at least double but theoretically for a lifetime.
Great job! Your engineering skills are superb. I just put together a pretty basic instrument panel for X-plane to mimic the Avidyne Entegra avionics sweet for instrument currency at my house. The simming community is wild.
Thank you for the kind words, The sim world is pretty cool, you meet a lot of very talented people. Im also hoping to show, if you dont mind doing DIY builds, you can produce something pretty epic.
Travaille magnifique et quel bonne idée de créé cette manette pour hélicoptère trop rare malheureusement dans le commerce. Vivement la suite j'ai hâte.
British engineering at its best. When the rudder pedals are finished will you be getting one of the Heli pilots to give you their thoughts on this best sim heli controls outside of Fort Halsted (say no more) You know what I'm talking about Russell
@@helimech8152 I learned to fly in a Huges 300, have flown 500s, Jet Rangers, Sikorsky, Robinson (yuck.. once and never again), but never the Squirrel unfortunately. I figured in real life it would come naturally as you lift off, to correct the way it needs it... but I would imagine it would take some getting used to at first.
Nice video! 👍🏼 I actually worked with you a few years ago won’t say too much on here but good to see you’re well. Came across your channel by chance, look forward to seeing some more.
Awesome design and work on this bit of gear. Am really impressed and this has widened my eyes on the possibilities for using 3D printing. Would like to incorporate something like this on my Learjet sim. Thanks for your work. Subscribed.😎
Thank you, after filming the cyclic prototype in black, it was so hard to make out the different parts. Multi colours has solved that issue and gets rid of all the coloured filament i never use!
Hey Karl, although I dont have any expierience in programming or 3d printing, I am glad i found your videos. Until my son was born 2 years ago, I loved to fly both Gazelle and Huey in DCS with a VR Headset. I am really looking forward to seeing your rudder plans. In a couple of years I might have a bit more time to spent. Hopefully I will then find a reasonably priced 3d-printing service near me ;-) greetings from Germany
Karl, I was just thinking about how to make one of these. Amazing work! Only thing is, I gave up 3D printing because I couldn’t get my printer to print properly. Looking forward to seeing the other 2 videos!
I love this and your Cyclic builds. Will you consider kitting all required items in the future? I would love a kit as I don't have the desire to hunt parts down.
AMAZING design job, assembly and presentation. I wish there was a detailed description of the purpose of the "Force Feel" system. Presumably, it produces the aerodynamic forces present in a helicopter in flight; but it isn't clear to me how these forces effect movement of the Collective . Also, there's a comment toward the end of the video that due to the high forces involved 'most pilots release the "Force Feel" whenever they are moving the Collective. So the "Force Feel" system keeps the Collective from moving away from its present set position if released? *If* I understand correctly, in a real helo; the Collective is free-moving with an adjustable friction control to maintain its present position without applying constant pressure, and these high forces don't exist during Collective movement?
"And of course, you wouldn't print these in multiple colors." "Haaahaha, yes yess" - Nervously laughing in my rainbow-skinned virtual Huey, the Huenicorn
There are two awesome products that you had create! Got the cyclic product from your website already as a christmas gift. Try the best helicopter for MSFS 2020 the H145 from Hype Performance Group. (definitely worth the price) I am looking forward to see to upcoming Helicopter content! I hope that you create some Helionix cockpit parts for the AgustaWestland or the H145 Helicopter. That will help me to create my home cockpit.
@@helimech8152 +1 for the H145. I flew Hughes helicopters that had no hydraulics, but the 145 is my dream sim setup for SIM. This is likely going to to be my first 3D printer project!
With the size and complexity of that head box, I'd be tempted to put a Leo Bodnar board in there and run just the USB out. Also, why didn't you feed the throttle cables into the tube as well?
confused... @16:30 you called it a hall sensor... well hall sensors normally work with magnets on either side, and they are small... yours, it's big, then you fitted a gear onto it and called it a hall pot... which it looks like more...
Hello! I have done a few tutorials for people but there are some masters out there which are must better than me to watch. Thank you for the kind words
I wan to set up an H145 cockpit. Just been talking to my neighbour about printing your controls and how much that will cost, etc. He has both types of printer so that's good. I Will have to design my own handle and modify your cyclic. Thought it was funny you have a 212 cyclic and an 139 collective grip! :)
Hi Mark, The cyclic was because i worked on the 212. The AW139 collective was because i had access to it and pilots to test it. If i had stayed in Brunei longer, i would have done the 139 cyclic too.
At the Start of the Video Your flying with the old Flight model from FlightSim X, The tell tale sign of the flying straight but pointing to the right and rolling left. Go to Settings and select the legacy Flight model and apply and save, exit the game, then change back to the Modern Flight Model and restart the game. This was a Bug on some installs.
If I had like .001% of your talent I’d be a happy guy. Bravo for your designs and ingenuity. One question, when you’re printing in different colors, is it by material, function of the print, or just to see contrast between mating parts?
Hello, Thank you for the kind words. 7 years ago I had no idea what CAD and fusion was, Over that time, the learning curve has been huge, but also very enjoyable and satisfying. Its amazing what you can create at home now. The purpose of te different colours is purely for camera purposes. The last video had all grey black parts, and you cannot see the diffrent parts on camera. Hence i get to use all the aweful colours i have that i never use lol.
Hello, I try hard to make make designs open to all, but sometimes a more bigger build bed makes the impossible possible! I honestly say this as I do not think any one has done this yet, and trying to get so much to happen in a relatively small space has already been a huge mission! kind regards Karl.
I would have put a DB25 connector on the base assembly. This is for easy servicing and movement. Placing another DB25 connector at the location of the electronics will allow you to get pre-made extender cables. This will work for all sensor, switch and indicator signals. Of course motor power should be run separately.
Better yet would be some round aviation style connectors. I’d be super tempted to make it easy to swap out different handles for different helicopters. You can get these pretty cheap from Aliexpress. Don’t need to be genuine aircraft or milspec :) I’d have one connector at the top for the throttle and handle, and one at the bottom for the collective arm.
@@MeppyMan Yes those are more aviation like but they're expensive. A solder cup DB25 can be had for just a couple of dollars. Round aluminum aviation ones are like 25 dollars minimum plus pins and tooling.
@@randycarter2001 you can get plugs and sockets off Alibaba for less than a few dollars. They don't have to be MIL spec or with a serial. Or even probably can find some genuine aviation ones second hand for cheap? I thought about how many dual controls I have seen knocking about in hangars over the years that were not in use for various reasons (crash damage, etc).
@@helimech8152 my dad was an aircraft engineer and pilot (both fixed wing and helicopter). I’m sure you can do it. Pretty common to whit knuckle it and over correct in the hover. Even harder when your butt and stomach aren’t giving you any feedback 😂
Hi there, how big is the handle of the collective, I'm planning to buy a SLA printer and if I maybe build the collective, the printer should be able to handle these parts (at least the top plate and the two parts the hand grip is made of) Thanks a lot
Maaaaaaaaaaaate! I have wanted to build a proper collective for over five years, then main reason for not doing anything about it yet was because I couldn't resolve how to do the twist throttle; now I have no excuses. I have been going through the rest of your clips, about one of the only worth while resources I have come across. Kudos to you bloke, keep it up. Just one question, are you using Mobiflight for all of you interfacing? no custom arduino? I am keen to make a gaming sim pit but I want it to do my space-sims as well, so I am just curious if you use anything else... Keep it up bloke and Cheers!
Hi Dave, Thank you for the kind words. It also made me laugh. I do just use mobiflight, as it interfaces with my stuff either with or without connection to a sim. Its simple and theres no need for me to reinvent the wheel. Kind Regards, Karl
I'm sure you don't have a shortage of projects. Anything in the works for a force-feedback yoke interconnected with a trim wheel? I'm looking for a guide to tear apart my honeycomb yoke and add some servos.
this is amazing, i was wondering dose this have an advantage over ffb steering limits like you have in a ffb steering wheel other then seemingly less noise?
This is based on true helicopter controls. There is no dynamic force feedback in Heli controls. Helipilots don't wont a workout when they fly. Its grab the cyclic by the thumb and forefinger and make the aircraft work for you.
Thank you for sharing such an awesome design. I am going to purchase your stl for this, and wanted to know what 3D print bed size is required? Some of those parts look rather large for my Anycubic Viper print bed.
Hi, great build and I think about building one with your files. I just have an Ender 3 V2 and wonder if the biggest parts fit on the build plate (220 x 220mm). Can you please give a short feedback on the biggest dimensions part. THX Cheers Carsten
First off, awesome engineering, build, and video! I've already printed the collective and throttle. I did resin for the grip and a few small parts too. I'm having trouble with the counterbalance springs. Do you know what size you actually used? I've tried all the springs in the Amazon assorted spring kit. They are either too weak and don't do anything, or too strong and make the collective float at the top but never return to it's resting position. I can't get it just right where it returns to its lowest position but just helps it stay up when raised. At this point I'm buying individual random springs on Amazon until I get it right.
@@helimech8152 You don't need access to the real apache. We don't need them super accurate to the real thing. There are people who already designed the controllers. You can see on DCS forum and reddit etc. and some even shared the files on thingiverse. But no one does it as nicely and completely as you. I think you can modify and improve them from there. It's so in demand. Something like the one you created here for the MSFS standard will already be awesome. Even if you charge 10x more than your usual rate of STL files people will pay coz it's still much cheaper than Komodo and Max Flight Stick both asking for $2K plus for cyclic and collective. I wish I have your kind of skills.
not sure how easy this would be with dcs, but with the msfs2020 blender plugin you can import any aircraft into blender... now you can take whatever part you want like panels, yoke, rudder pedals, trim wheels... etc and 3d print them at perfect scale.
I want to try to build one! What's the bed size of your printer? I think I won't be able to print the larger side plates I believe. My printer is 220 by 220 only.
Hello, and no I have not tried the side winder option. I may be missing out. But I wanted the heli controls to feel like the real thing so decided to go my own way. i'm not sure that the side winder can do that. This was just my take on producing something a real pilot would say, yep that's how it should feel. And even then, that's the problem with creating a is gel unit for multiple aircraft, they all feel different and have different forces involved. However, I can say this is how the basic principle works. Thank you for taking the time to comment, kind regards karl
@@helimech8152 it's a brilliant solution you've put together. I'm sure it is far superior to the sidewinder option but have a look at sidewinder extension videos. I want to put an extension between the base and a new stick, much like the one you have here but not quite as long.
WOW.... As an engineer of 40 years, it really takes allot to catch my attention, let alone, hold my attention. I have spent almost all of my life time cramming info into my dinky bean brain. Now, with that said, I am highly and exceptionally impressed with this. The video editing is top notch on the audio and video. You explained what you were doing at an elementary level, that allot of high IQ people fail to be able to do and you did that wonderfully. You didn't take for granted that somebody "just already knows what you know as second nature". I would like to thank you for the amount of time that you set aside to make this happen as that I can only assume, was well over 200 hours, if not more than that over the years of honing the R&D aspect of this design. I was thoroughly entertained. I even learned a few things from your video here today. Thank you. This was an easy click to subscribe to your channel and I look forwards to the next videos of this simulator build. I did I quick skim-through of your older video titles, just to see what you have showcased already, I think I will enjoy watching those as well. Well done.
Hello and once again I find my self humbled by the words of others. Thank you for taking the time to comment!
If I can make a suggestion on the throttle, some PTFE Teflon spray or even PTFE powder as used by bicyclists on plastic parts would make that throttle as well as other parts without bearings run really smoothly. Really superb build. Thank you for sharing.
(This is just a 'drive-by' comment.) I haven't watched much of the video, but after seeing the thumbnail image and clicking on it, I just had to say that you build amazing stuff, and your videos inspire me to learn a lot more and to put that knowledge into practice in my own sim, which is very much in the planning stages. Thanks.
an incredible project, and even better instructions. Many people would half-do the instructions, or point to already assembled / unfinished parts!
Thank you, The build part is done in the hope it stops a million emails coming my way asking how to do a certain part!
Ok you just managed to design the most advanced and realistic helicopter controllers available in the entire world, that's truely amazing.. As an helicopter engineer too and trying myself to design a collective I've been confronted to the force trim issue and you just popped in my recommandation with the solution i'm amazed and jealous not being able to find a proper way by myself !
Aesome work !
Hello fellow engineer! Thank you for the very kind words and feeling very humbled. I remember waking up one day and thinking, why not use a stepper as the mag brake? 24 hours later, the basic principal was proven and this was the end result.
@@helimech8152 I'm glad you woke up with this idea! Can't wait to know more about your cyclic!
VR helped me so much in helicopter flying
Thats actually my next thing to see if it helps. Also means i dont need the wrap around screens.
Just started taking serious interest in these, glad I came across this video.
Thank you! I'd taken a lot of time and effort to get to this stage.
Once again. You have set the tone for flight sim world
Humbled, thank you
Well done with the flying! I follow your channel because I'm an engineer who migrated to the cockpit of the 737 too many years ago, but I love to tinker. I have also tried flying rotary several times and as my instructor friend once said its like trying to "shave and w#nk at the same time" its dangerous!
Excellent channel!
This has to be one of the most impressive 3d builds I've ever seen. I'll be purchasing these plans soon!!
Thank you, Humbled by your words.
My late father worked the the Boeing Vertol sim lab he would love to have this for the Helicopter museum where he volunteered. Great work
Hi Mike, Thank you and sorry for your loss. Now i have to get the cyclic build done to go with it!
@@helimech8152 Thank you 🙏🏼
I work on a full motion helo-sim of a medium size "transport-ish" helicopter. Fantastic job you have done for a home-sim 👌💪
Thank you! It took a lot of prototyping to get this far, but i think the result has been more than worth it.
Yep…. I need this in my life. Aviation + DIY engineering.
Hello, Its a really simple build and I think it works really well. Just working on an apache grip for it right now.
Two years ago I flew S58's for a summer drying cherries. It was impressive how much of a difference a correlator makes, and ultimately I didn't notice a whole lot of difference flying without a governor. It's inspiring watching your videos and seeing how far one can go with a simpit. Eventually I would like to build one of your collective and cyclic's. Keep up the amazing work.
I worked as a cherry picker in New Zealand for one season and was surpised they use helicopters to dry the cherries after a rainfall, no wonder cherries are so expensive! Haha must have been a cool job flying over the orchard for some time!
Thank you!
I am not going to lie, I bought this the moment I first saw this video. I was mesmorized! Several hundred dollars later and a few months later, it is almost finished! I didn't anticipate just how much it would cost to order the large variety of nuts and bolts, mis-identified switches and buttons (finding equivelants on US amazon/ebay) among many other twists and turns. You made this look so easy and here, after all that, I'm almost there! I can't wait to get the set all plugged in and calibrated! just waiting on the stepper drivers and we're off!
I ran into a few small quirky issues. the ones primarily giving me problems are the springs. I just can't seem to find springs to match the ones you've used and either mine are too strong or soft for the application. The worst offender has been the cyclic spring attached to the frame. I've also printed the collective grip a couple of times and the tolerances for the heatset inserts just are too large and I haven't found a good work-around that doesn't involve modifying the stls. I love the design though and all I have left for the set is wiring everything up.
Truly impressive. Enjoyed seeing the functionality come together.
Hi Joel, Thank you! Defo one of my more indepth videos. Kind Regards, Karl
I suggest using inexpensive pipe cleaner brushes inside the springs to silence them, as well as putting heatshrink on the ends.
15:28, reading quality is higher in a hall sensor but really its for futureproofing. Pots WILL die, and sometimes fairly quickly, its what kills pretty much all flight controls on the market eventually and so people would rather spend a little more and have a hall sensor which as far as I have heard will last at least double but theoretically for a lifetime.
This is... brilliant. I went for hydraulic damper and a bit of counterweight, but this solution is genius.
Great job! Your engineering skills are superb. I just put together a pretty basic instrument panel for X-plane to mimic the Avidyne Entegra avionics sweet for instrument currency at my house. The simming community is wild.
Thank you for the kind words, The sim world is pretty cool, you meet a lot of very talented people. Im also hoping to show, if you dont mind doing DIY builds, you can produce something pretty epic.
I'm halfway through building the cyclic right now. Can't wait to start the collective right after!
Good luck! Let me know how you get on, and what you think when your flying with them. Kind regards, Karl
100 % agree with Dru Bradley, please keep up the good work and i look forward to more content from you especially on Helos 😉
HES BACK, welcome back KARL!!!!!!!
Hopefully starting a new year full on!
you're the man another awesome build for the books
Thank you!
Again, just amazed at the work involved, truly impressive... 🙂
Thank you very much!
your work is just fantastic.
Thank you so much 😀
This guys is cool, I really think so!
Thank you!
Fantastic build. I’ll be building this for sure, and the cyclic when you get that done!
Hello, Cyclic next, already carrying out a few addons after so many suggestions from this video!
Wow - I am not really interested in aviation sims, but I just stumbled on this video and now I really want to build one of these!!
Go for it, I had the first build shown back to me yesterday and was so impressed with their effort. I think it would be worth it! Kind regards karl
Travaille magnifique et quel bonne idée de créé cette manette pour hélicoptère trop rare malheureusement dans le commerce. Vivement la suite j'ai hâte.
Merci, je travaille sur la vidéo cyclique en ce moment !
Seen it in action, works awesme!
Thank you Jiri! Great to hear from you!
Amazing work, your page is fantastic
Thank you so much!
This is such a professional well made, clear and easy to follow video. Love it!
Thanks so much! Humbled by the kind words!
That's really impressive. Can't wait to see the other videos in the series.
Thanks! I need to get a move one and finish the next one! Its already been a week!
Hi.... looking good.
Hello, and Thank you! Straight in with the first comment!
@@helimech8152 just wish you´re closer to us.... Azores.
That is AMAZING!
Thank you!
Mad Skillz!
Starting my own 737 build soon, so much thanks for the time and effort that you have put in to it and that you are willing to share it :)
Hello and Thank you for the kind words! Good luck on your build!
amazing
Another great project Karl. Looking forward to the next in series.
Thank you, already working on the next video. A lot to print!
What an amazing bit of kit you made here!! Well done Mate!!
Thank you! and Cheers!
Been looking forward to this build video. As usual, you didn't disappoint.
Glad you enjoyed it! and thank you!
Wow that is amazing!
Thank You!
Wow this looks incredible!
Hopefully works incredible too! Thank you!
Incredible design. I'm thinking of building a collective that uses window counter balances.
Hello Conrad, Id like to see that! let me know how it goes!
Good try in that flying. Helis are unforgiving. Thanks for doing the build vids
Thank you for the support and kind words!
You earned my like and subscribe! Amazing!
Hi Karl! Nice to see you back in the new year. Excellent design and very comprehensive video! 👍 Looking forward to second episode!!
Hello! I should start that ASAP, parts printed just awaiting for some steppers to arrive. Thank you for the knid comments as always!
British engineering at its best. When the rudder pedals are finished will you be getting one of the Heli pilots to give you their thoughts on this best sim heli controls outside of Fort Halsted (say no more) You know what I'm talking about
Russell
Just started watching this and heard you mention putting in some right pedal… that’s when I realised the Cabri is a French helicopter!
I have been used to the bell which has a rotor head that rotates the other way to most european aircraft.
@@helimech8152 I learned to fly in a Huges 300, have flown 500s, Jet Rangers, Sikorsky, Robinson (yuck.. once and never again), but never the Squirrel unfortunately. I figured in real life it would come naturally as you lift off, to correct the way it needs it... but I would imagine it would take some getting used to at first.
A very happy New Year Karl. I've been looking forward to these particular build videos. Simply amazing!! I'll definitely be giving this a go!
Hi Jogn, Thank you and i hope you do give it a go. Its a great project and i dont think there are many like this out there (Yet!)
Nice video! 👍🏼 I actually worked with you a few years ago won’t say too much on here but good to see you’re well. Came across your channel by chance, look forward to seeing some more.
Hello stef, you have me very much I intrigued. All my details are on the website. A big hello from me!
@@helimech8152 just sent you an email 😁
Amazing build once again.
Thank You!
very nice i want one
Awesome!
Awesome design and work on this bit of gear. Am really impressed and this has widened my eyes on the possibilities for using 3D printing. Would like to incorporate something like this on my Learjet sim. Thanks for your work. Subscribed.😎
Hello and thank you for the kind words, I hope it has given a few ideas to help with your sim! Good Luck!
Excellent video, very colorful too :-)
Thank you, after filming the cyclic prototype in black, it was so hard to make out the different parts. Multi colours has solved that issue and gets rid of all the coloured filament i never use!
Amazing👏
Thanks 😄
Happy new year, happiness & health i'm just amazed for the work done, super impressive... 🙂
Thank you for the kind words! Happy new year in return. Kind regards, karl
Awesome!!!! I want!
Hi John, I hope you have a 3d printer or know someone who has!
Outstanding work!
Thank you kindly!
Hey Karl,
although I dont have any expierience in programming or 3d printing, I am glad i found your videos. Until my son was born 2 years ago, I loved to fly both Gazelle and Huey in DCS with a VR Headset. I am really looking forward to seeing your rudder plans. In a couple of years I might have a bit more time to spent. Hopefully I will then find a reasonably priced 3d-printing service near me ;-) greetings from Germany
Karl, I was just thinking about how to make one of these. Amazing work! Only thing is, I gave up 3D printing because I couldn’t get my printer to print properly. Looking forward to seeing the other 2 videos!
I also have 1 printer that drives me mad, its so unrealible compared to the others. Cyclic vid next once i finish printing more parts.
Just picked up a Creality 3 V2 that has upgraded firmware today. I’m getting all sorts of ideas!!!!
I love this and your Cyclic builds. Will you consider kitting all required items in the future? I would love a kit as I don't have the desire to hunt parts down.
Good suggestion, but I don't think I have the funds to go and create part kits right now. Buying the hall sensors alone would run into thousands.
War crime in the front, Fischer Price My first collective in the back.
you should build a a320 cockpit
6 hrs of practice and you can hover, take off, and land just fine using the sim
Once we complete the new wiring, i hope to do this exactly!
AMAZING design job, assembly and presentation. I wish there was a detailed description of the purpose of the "Force Feel" system. Presumably, it produces the aerodynamic forces present in a helicopter in flight; but it isn't clear to me how these forces effect movement of the Collective . Also, there's a comment toward the end of the video that due to the high forces involved 'most pilots release the "Force Feel" whenever they are moving the Collective. So the "Force Feel" system keeps the Collective from moving away from its present set position if released? *If* I understand correctly, in a real helo; the Collective is free-moving with an adjustable friction control to maintain its present position without applying constant pressure, and these high forces don't exist during Collective movement?
"And of course, you wouldn't print these in multiple colors."
"Haaahaha, yes yess" - Nervously laughing in my rainbow-skinned virtual Huey, the Huenicorn
Chuckle!
Brilliant!
Thank You!
nice work. Please something for the ka-50 dcs please 🙏
One day perhaps, my my build queue for DCS has become huge recently lol
WOW!!
Thank you
There are two awesome products that you had create!
Got the cyclic product from your website already as a christmas gift.
Try the best helicopter for MSFS 2020 the H145 from Hype Performance Group. (definitely worth the price)
I am looking forward to see to upcoming Helicopter content!
I hope that you create some Helionix cockpit parts for the AgustaWestland or the H145 Helicopter.
That will help me to create my home cockpit.
Hello, I actually started with the 145, and we used that at the flight sim expo. Defo one of my favourites!
@@helimech8152 +1 for the H145. I flew Hughes helicopters that had no hydraulics, but the 145 is my dream sim setup for SIM. This is likely going to to be my first 3D printer project!
What 3d printer bed size I will need for the parts?
With the size and complexity of that head box, I'd be tempted to put a Leo Bodnar board in there and run just the USB out.
Also, why didn't you feed the throttle cables into the tube as well?
Wouldn't it be a better solution to put adjustable hydro dampers instead of the counterbalance springs?
confused... @16:30 you called it a hall sensor... well hall sensors normally work with magnets on either side, and they are small... yours, it's big, then you fitted a gear onto it and called it a hall pot... which it looks like more...
Fantastic build sir, by any chance do you do any Fusion 360 tutorials? Your ability to draw these parts on 360 must be at another level.
Hello! I have done a few tutorials for people but there are some masters out there which are must better than me to watch. Thank you for the kind words
I wan to set up an H145 cockpit. Just been talking to my neighbour about printing your controls and how much that will cost, etc. He has both types of printer so that's good. I Will have to design my own handle and modify your cyclic. Thought it was funny you have a 212 cyclic and an 139 collective grip! :)
Hi Mark, The cyclic was because i worked on the 212. The AW139 collective was because i had access to it and pilots to test it. If i had stayed in Brunei longer, i would have done the 139 cyclic too.
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Thank you!
Wish i had a big enought printer to make this project. was currently in the process of making my own collective
I did think about this, but the forces invovled are pretty huge. So i went with larger single peice designs. Sorry!
very cool, any plans to do the TADS system and the front cockpit? for us gunners
Defo, I just haven't had the time to revisit anything yet
At the Start of the Video Your flying with the old Flight model from FlightSim X, The tell tale sign of the flying straight but pointing to the right and rolling left. Go to Settings and select the legacy Flight model and apply and save, exit the game, then change back to the Modern Flight Model and restart the game. This was a Bug on some installs.
Thank you for the advice!
If I had like .001% of your talent I’d be a happy guy. Bravo for your designs and ingenuity.
One question, when you’re printing in different colors, is it by material, function of the print, or just to see contrast between mating parts?
Hello, Thank you for the kind words. 7 years ago I had no idea what CAD and fusion was, Over that time, the learning curve has been huge, but also very enjoyable and satisfying. Its amazing what you can create at home now. The purpose of te different colours is purely for camera purposes. The last video had all grey black parts, and you cannot see the diffrent parts on camera. Hence i get to use all the aweful colours i have that i never use lol.
This looks great. Just a shame the files require a larger print bed of 300x300mm to build it.
Hello, I try hard to make make designs open to all, but sometimes a more bigger build bed makes the impossible possible! I honestly say this as I do not think any one has done this yet, and trying to get so much to happen in a relatively small space has already been a huge mission! kind regards Karl.
One of these days we will get a notification from you "Hello Guys! Here is my A380, I 3d Printed and I am starting my own airline!"
Haha, an A380 would be cool!
I would have put a DB25 connector on the base assembly. This is for easy servicing and movement. Placing another DB25 connector at the location of the electronics will allow you to get pre-made extender cables. This will work for all sensor, switch and indicator signals. Of course motor power should be run separately.
Thank you Randy, thats an awesome addition to the design and love the idea!
I would 2nd that there looks to be room and will make cleaning and servicing the unit so much quicker.
Better yet would be some round aviation style connectors. I’d be super tempted to make it easy to swap out different handles for different helicopters.
You can get these pretty cheap from Aliexpress. Don’t need to be genuine aircraft or milspec :)
I’d have one connector at the top for the throttle and handle, and one at the bottom for the collective arm.
@@MeppyMan Yes those are more aviation like but they're expensive. A solder cup DB25 can be had for just a couple of dollars. Round aluminum aviation ones are like 25 dollars minimum plus pins and tooling.
@@randycarter2001 you can get plugs and sockets off Alibaba for less than a few dollars. They don't have to be MIL spec or with a serial. Or even probably can find some genuine aviation ones second hand for cheap? I thought about how many dual controls I have seen knocking about in hangars over the years that were not in use for various reasons (crash damage, etc).
Pilot induced oscillation mayhem 😂 Be gentle with the girl!
Hello, And this is why im an engineer! Im not sure i can do gentle lol
@@helimech8152 my dad was an aircraft engineer and pilot (both fixed wing and helicopter). I’m sure you can do it.
Pretty common to whit knuckle it and over correct in the hover. Even harder when your butt and stomach aren’t giving you any feedback 😂
Hi there, how big is the handle of the collective, I'm planning to buy a SLA printer and if I maybe build the collective, the printer should be able to handle these parts (at least the top plate and the two parts the hand grip is made of)
Thanks a lot
What is the BOM cost if I want to do it myself?
Maaaaaaaaaaaate!
I have wanted to build a proper collective for over five years, then main reason for not doing anything about it yet was because I couldn't resolve how to do the twist throttle; now I have no excuses. I have been going through the rest of your clips, about one of the only worth while resources I have come across. Kudos to you bloke, keep it up. Just one question, are you using Mobiflight for all of you interfacing? no custom arduino? I am keen to make a gaming sim pit but I want it to do my space-sims as well, so I am just curious if you use anything else...
Keep it up bloke and Cheers!
Hi Dave, Thank you for the kind words. It also made me laugh. I do just use mobiflight, as it interfaces with my stuff either with or without connection to a sim. Its simple and theres no need for me to reinvent the wheel. Kind Regards, Karl
I'm sure you don't have a shortage of projects. Anything in the works for a force-feedback yoke interconnected with a trim wheel? I'm looking for a guide to tear apart my honeycomb yoke and add some servos.
this is amazing, i was wondering dose this have an advantage over ffb steering limits like you have in a ffb steering wheel other then seemingly less noise?
This is based on true helicopter controls. There is no dynamic force feedback in Heli controls. Helipilots don't wont a workout when they fly. Its grab the cyclic by the thumb and forefinger and make the aircraft work for you.
@@helimech8152 i see i thought my setup was too loose but maybe not
Thank you for sharing such an awesome design. I am going to purchase your stl for this, and wanted to know what 3D print bed size is required? Some of those parts look rather large for my Anycubic Viper print bed.
Hi, great build and I think about building one with your files. I just have an Ender 3 V2 and wonder if the biggest parts fit on the build plate (220 x 220mm). Can you please give a short feedback on the biggest dimensions part. THX
Cheers Carsten
Hi carsten, you need a bed size of 300 x 300mm. This thing is almost life size and the forces invoked are huge
@@helimech8152 thanks for your feedback 👍
Half way though printing, Thankyou for this! I have a question though.. Would it be possible to program the steppers to follow auto pilot in the H145?
yes, yes it is. I've cracked it.
Looks good are you going to mock up a whole cockpit
I would love too, but i has so many different projects on the go right now!
First off, awesome engineering, build, and video! I've already printed the collective and throttle. I did resin for the grip and a few small parts too. I'm having trouble with the counterbalance springs. Do you know what size you actually used? I've tried all the springs in the Amazon assorted spring kit. They are either too weak and don't do anything, or too strong and make the collective float at the top but never return to it's resting position. I can't get it just right where it returns to its lowest position but just helps it stay up when raised. At this point I'm buying individual random springs on Amazon until I get it right.
Hi Jason, you will have to remind me about this. Much better to send a message in the website chat window so it logs and i dont forget!
Can you make the Apache cyclic and collective? Komodo is charging $1000 for each. Many people will buy your STL files if you make Apache controllers.
LOL, this has to be the most requested design so far! I need to pester my old work colleagues and ask to get on an apache!
@@helimech8152 You don't need access to the real apache. We don't need them super accurate to the real thing. There are people who already designed the controllers. You can see on DCS forum and reddit etc. and some even shared the files on thingiverse. But no one does it as nicely and completely as you. I think you can modify and improve them from there. It's so in demand. Something like the one you created here for the MSFS standard will already be awesome. Even if you charge 10x more than your usual rate of STL files people will pay coz it's still much cheaper than Komodo and Max Flight Stick both asking for $2K plus for cyclic and collective. I wish I have your kind of skills.
not sure how easy this would be with dcs, but with the msfs2020 blender plugin you can import any aircraft into blender...
now you can take whatever part you want like panels, yoke, rudder pedals, trim wheels... etc and 3d print them at perfect scale.
I want to try to build one! What's the bed size of your printer? I think I won't be able to print the larger side plates I believe. My printer is 220 by 220 only.
... what would be the smallest print surface required to be able to print this? I got a Ender 5 Pro... looks touch and go on size.
using an 18v impact driver to screw into pla is very me lol
I have leraned to be gentle with said hammer! It does very easily make things go worng! lol
I'm modifying an old Microsoft Sidewinder force feedback stick at the moment. Have you tried using one as a cyclic?
Hello, and no I have not tried the side winder option. I may be missing out. But I wanted the heli controls to feel like the real thing so decided to go my own way. i'm not sure that the side winder can do that. This was just my take on producing something a real pilot would say, yep that's how it should feel. And even then, that's the problem with creating a is gel unit for multiple aircraft, they all feel different and have different forces involved. However, I can say this is how the basic principle works. Thank you for taking the time to comment, kind regards karl
@@helimech8152 it's a brilliant solution you've put together. I'm sure it is far superior to the sidewinder option but have a look at sidewinder extension videos. I want to put an extension between the base and a new stick, much like the one you have here but not quite as long.