@@Sammy-r2h he overlays the footage so at least adds another dimension to these clips. also snips bits from podcasts old interviews that are maybe hours long so they become accessible. I think that warrants enough for a little introduction
This is one of Scorsese best films to day, it’s the editing and Cinematography on this that’s makes it look so beautiful and really stands out with silence as well
Everyone hating like how everyone hated with the Irishman. Give it time and everyone will love this one, truly one of the more depressing films by Martin and the cinematography was beautiful and felt like I was back in the countryside
It's the opposite. People give them more credit than they deserve because they're Scorsese epics, but 20 years from now no one is gonna be talking about them.
@@JustNiceStuff-ux5nzpeople misunderstand “the Irishman”. I was confounded with it too at first but then it made sense. “Goodfellas”, “Casino” and “The Irishman” form a triptych, and have this structure of a Greek tragedy - hamartia, agnarosis, katharsis. It is the original sin, the recognition of that sin, and the downfall. Even using the youth rendering works, and De Niro geriatric movements.
Kotfm & Opp really didn't do it for me, pained me to get through, and I usually love movies like that. The Killer was okay, my favourite of the year was The Holdovers though. Will probably watch Oppenheimer & Flower Moon again at some point, maybe I'll see them differently on a second watch. Idk...
It's SOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOD!!!!! And I agree, time flew. I had seen other films up for awards and this blows them out of the water FOR ME. Not for everyone obviously.
@@danielpatache8843Nope, I would never waste my time with that trash. Your assumption is that I’m a Marvel fanboy because how else could I not like a Scorsese film. Your assumption I wrong. Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, The Departed, range from very good to incredible. The Irishman and KOTFM are not very good.
The entire movie is great but the first 15 minutes is just perfect. It starts quietly with the Osage tribe until oil shoots out and the song "Osage Oil Boom" starts playing and I saw it in a huge theater with great sound and I almost wanted to dance to that song. I was trying not to nod my head to it. Then it switches from Black & White to Color as it introduces Leonardo DiCaprio on a train as if that is the character we are choosing to follow for this story out of all the others on the train. He takes out his flask, looks around and takes a swig. The train arrives and we soon get to the ranch were Robert De Niro is at as we swoop over some fields with horses and it looks beautiful. You know it's going to get a lot darker because it's Martin Scorsese. Then the scene that just felt really fun for some reason is when that race goes thru town and people are betting, Leonardo DiCaprio even sees a fight happening and joins in for a second just to have some fun. There was just so much happening in that town, and when Leonardo DiCaprio meets Lily Gladstone it's just funny and you enjoy seeing them start their relationship, which is why you end up hating Leonardo DiCaprio so much because he just keeps doing everything De Niro says. Somehow the movie immediately got me interested where I was happy it was over 3 hours long.
Killers of the flower moon is an important story certainly it became more something people started to be aware of when the book came out, and scorcese did an exceptional job not just on the adoption of the book but in the whole story and involving the osage people to help to tell the story. There are many people still living descended from those murdered osage indians that martin scorcese talked to in preparation for the film.
Im one of the few people I know who went to see it. The run time kept a lot of folks away. I too was captivated and really only kinda restless within the last 20 min of the movie. That was more because I get antsy when I sit too long rather than the film being dull. Watching it in two takes might be a good move for some folks.
@@ww2remembered983People are using stupid tired narratives like you just only like marvel movies or you are just triggered and a maga troglodyte if you didn’t like it. It entertained me and it was free on Apple TV, so I can’t complain. It had great cinematography and being an Okie myself I liked seeing my state’s history depicted on screen, but as a movie fan I can’t deny it could’ve been edited way better. I broke it apart into two nights and by the end of both I was still napping in my recliner.
@@mikeg2491 Gee, quite a word salad there man. Sure, I am anti-fascist, meaning I do not like them, or Nazi's. You see, my father and his buddies were WW2 vets and educated me on the subject. MAGA doesn't mind them at all, matter of fact, they use the Nazi's propaganda tricks right now. So anyway, you agree, that movie sucks, lol.
@@mikeg2491always hard to justify a movie that’s longer than 2 hours . It wasn’t til the last hour where it’s hard to say if any scenes should be taken out tho . Felt like you needed all of it but def not everyone’s cup of tea
Watch The FBI Story (1959), narrated by James Stewart, who stars in it. They did a segment of what happened in Oklahoma, back then. One of my favorite movies.
I don’t usually look at running times of movies before I see them but I did for some reason, I’m glad I did cause I could imagine getting caught off guard with a 3 hour movie in a theater . That being said I felt the same way, I was into it the whole way and wasn’t hoping it will end like I have with other movies.
One of those movies you have to force yourself to sit down and really watch, but so worth it. And to think marty is still making movies of this quality and this consistency is really goat activity
I thought it was so good. And it was so well paced, which was my main problem with the Irishman, which felt like 5 hours. The only thing that held it back for me, and this is a personal thing, but I wanted more of MOLLIE!! I was so invested in her story, and I feel like it should’ve been more about her!
@@murk4552 He claims he wants to keep making movies when I don't think he should. I'm not saying he just now lost it, he hasn't had it for a while now.
I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can watch this movie and think Scorsese shouldn’t work anymore. I can understand saying it’s too long or not as good as his best work, but I can name films he did from any other decade that it’s better than.
1:53 I don’t think Bill would like ‘Past Lives’ very much. I didn’t really get into Maestro but I’m going to give it another chance when it’s playing in theaters in a couple weeks. I thought this movie could have been a lot better but I still liked it. I wish Scorsese would have kept his original idea for the script but he wanted to be respectful of the Osage so I get it
Sorry, ignore the stupid language - I think quite a few people brushed Flower Moon off as woke, brainwashy stuff, but I didn't think that at all. The film has arrived at a time when people are walking delicately over "cultural issues", and are afraid to treat Flower Moon as a film worth critiquing, so instead they see it as a "cultural statement" beyond reproach. The real point of Flower Moon is that it could happen anywhere, which is why, in true Scorsese fashion, it will endure.
For someone who loved the Irishman even when so many were hating on it, I found this movie to be a bit tiring. It’s beautiful, it’s story is well made and put together, but something just didn’t click with me like some others did.
I like this movie way better than the irishman. I didnt know how long it was until i was an hour and 45 minutes into it. I checked to see how long it was and i was like wtf.
After Mean Streets, Good Fellas, Gangs of NY, Casino and The Departed, Scorsese finally made a film about the real original criminal gangsters of this country....WASPS.
If you are checking out the lighting and framing of a film, wondering how the director "got the shot"... that doesn't scream "great movie". That seems to be a clinical and cold reaction to the technical mastery of the film. However, despite admiring the craftsmanship, I found "Killers" to be a desperately bleak film and I have no desire to watch it again. To clarify, I don't think it is a bad film... but it was not a pleasant experience.
@@tccandler I wouldn't be one of them. Not that the subject matter isn't important to me but otherwise I would've felt that the subject matter deserves a better movie (which is how I feel about the Imitation game). I'm not going to argue that we should elevate certain movies above our emotional engagement with it because they're supposedly "important" but not every story needs to be entertaining or even cathartic to be worth something. There are plenty of movies which are very important to me and I'm very happy I watched but at the same time can be so painful I don't want to revisit them often. They can still be formative and honestly make you into a better person. Sometimes they can help you feel something that you already knew was true and should probably change your behaviour but before felt distant enough to ignore it. That said, I found "Killers of the Flower Moon" to be very watchable (besides just sitting that long not being that comfortable). The Zone of Interest to me was the movie that I thought was great but I also just don't want to watch again. I wasn't even excited in the way I usually am when I see something miserable but nonetheless shows an interesting and impressive artistic vision (although it definitely is that).
@@PauLtus_B Agreed with almost all of that.. I still graded "KOTFM" a 7/10. I didn't dislike it. I simply feel that I would never want to revisit that level of human depravity ever again.
@@tccandler Which is totally fair! I can be quite a masochist when it comes to film but even then there's plenty of movies that I just think are too miserable for me to rewatch. I'm also not nearly as "brave" when it comes to documentaries. I just found KotFM artistically interesting and beatiful and occasionally actually entertaining enough to be fine with that. Although the main feeling I got from it was still a whole lot of white guilt. Going back to your very first comment: I think it's actually somewhat fair to say it's not that good a sign for a movie when you end up thinking much about the success of the technicalities but it does depend on what kind of film watcher you are and how much you know about how these things are made. I don't consider myself knowledgable of acting for example so when I find myself thinking "great acting" while watching a movie it can mean I'm just not engrossed with the actual performance to forget about the fact I'm watching an actor acting.
Well crafted but I had a problem with the script - you can either follow two reprehensible characters in Leo or Deniro, as they systematically murder and swindle, or Lily's character who basically does nothing but react to all the brutality around her. She never tries to get out from under it. It's fascinating but hard to hook into anyone. Even Henry Hill of Goodfellas was charismatic and they never showed him murder anyone.
@@Palendrome fair point, she doesn't do nothing. it's just that her character is mostly reactive instead of active. whatever happened in real life happened, i'm not judging that, more so as a character arc
@@noodle123ify Yeah I feel that. I understand where people are coming from when they say the movie should have focused on her. But Scorcese went the true crime route focusing on them because he didnt think trying to present it as a mystery would work
Bullshit, saw it in theatres and felt every second of the runtime even though I enjoyed it. Not my favorite Scorsese by a longshot but glad I got to see it.
I’m not a Robert DeNiro (the person) fan, but I thought his acting was amazing. It was like he remembered how to do it again. Why there isn’t more talk about his performance, I don’t know. Leo too - those 2 together had some great scenes. Maybe because Lily Gladstone was SO powerful in a quiet, dignified way - did she knock them out and wind up dominating?
Saw it in theatres opening night in IMAX, thought it was kind of mid tbh Sorry but it dragged and you already knew the motivations of everyone in the first 15 minutes defeating the point of the rest of the (lengthy) screentime. 6/10
I had such high hopes because i really enjoyed silence and Marty has been one of the few directors of his age group that still made quality pictures. Movie look beautiful but the last 40 mins i was so bored, my girl was asleep and i came out of the viewing disappointed to say the least
I gotta strongly disagree with this one it did not fly by. Bout 90 minutes in I was like “man this is flying by I’m so glad I finally get to see Scorsese in the movie theatre I bet it’s already almost over.” And then I realized there was still 2 hours left and then it reaaaalllllyy started feeling like it was dragging. Goodfellas, departed, casino, gangs of New York, shit most Scorsese movies are long runtimes but fly by. Cannot say the same with killers of the flower moon or Irishman. Still great movies tho.
I agree with you, easily Marty's second worst film ever in my view. Leo was great and a few other actors in it were strong, but story wise it was very standard and uninteresting for the most part. All of the modern Scorsese films look good visually, I agree with Bill on that aspect only.
Mr James Whale, would it be a problem if you changed your intro? it always gives me a jump scare (youtube adverts are bad enough😂). regardless, great stuff
So I had a dream that I took my friends to see this movie because I saw it and thought they’d like it. But the theater cut out a bunch to make it 90 minutes. My friends didn’t like it and I was so mad! lol
It was shot beautifully and looks great. For what this movie is it encapsulates what they were trying to portray perfectly but the subject matter is so fucking boring.
Its insane how 2023 has a lot of really great movies but every movie it’s not amazing for a number of multiple reasons: Killers of the flowers moon: too long The Creator: too long and wasted a great premise on just a “fine” flick Mission Impossible 7: too long and too much stuff going on, complicated Gran Turismo: too much product placement Oppenheimer: too long and boring Tyler Rake 2: the kid was annoying Godzilla minus one: too sad Barbie: too cringe and feminist
Can’t say I agree with Bill. Movie cinematography wise felt flat color wise… like Marty couldn’t make up his mind whether he wanted a black and white film or color. There’s also a weird greyness or monochromatic nature of it. Just look at the sky and grass… they almost blend together. Granted, it could have gone the “teal/yellow” or “pale brown/blue” route like a lot of modern films, but I wasn’t impressed. Movie is alright, but Bill jokes about “The Message” trope and yet the movie does exactly that: is it AIDS, racial discrimination or the Holocaust? Oh! We have a winner! The ever tried and true “White Guilt”! You think we’ll ever see a movie about Woodrow Wilson and how he nuked any racial progress made since the Civil War? Or how Lyndon Johnson fabricated the Tonkin Bay incident to justify the Vietnam War? Or Obama giving that drone strike order that led to 153 innocent people trying to have a wedding getting blown to smithereens? Or the Zebra murders, where a group of African Americans were going on a mass murder spree of white people in San Francisco in the late 60’s? Or how the Atomic Energy Commission experimented on black and white people in Tuskegee and Oak Ridge, TN under President Truman? Yeah… probably not.
Well you just gave me plenty to consider in terms of ideas, all of those sound like they’d make compelling movies if done right, now we know they’ll be hard to get made for “reasons” but as a so called black man myself, I’d like to tackle some of them, especially the zebra murders which I had never heard of until now. Thank you for the inspiration, hopefully they get made, I’ll try my best. And I agree with you, KoTFM fell a bit flat to me. Thought it was a bit preachy at times
It was not great. Best part was Leo, Gladstone’s character was just stoic & had the fever half the time. De Niro was forgettable outside of speaking a Native language. It brought attention to the tribe but did not celebrate them in any way.
Why do they need to be celebrated? Why cant they just be portrayed in a normal way? Just because they're not white and they're native american they need to be "celebrated"?
@@frbnd6848that’s literally what the film did at the end. They portrayed Natives as dumb drunks for two and a half hours and then celebrated them with Scorsese speech and the drum circle. Tone was all over the place and portrayed nothing but stereotypes. Only time it worked was as a black comedy. But even then, who wants to watch a comedy about racist mudderers.
I consider Scorsese the greatest living American film director and have for decades. Having said that, the Irishman was...not good. In the decades to come I figure it will be...less good. (mostly due to the not good, very bad, near unwatchable miscasting of the main character)
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Can I just say how I respect the literal 2 second intro, no flash, no gloating, just immediately lets the guest get on talking
Why put an intro in front of content that isn’t yours to begin with though?
well the video creator did edit the video footage together so it's not just the audio@@actualdin8458
Get the guest on talking? The guy literally uploaded someone else’s content. This isn’t a talk show.
@@Sammy-r2h he overlays the footage so at least adds another dimension to these clips. also snips bits from podcasts old interviews that are maybe hours long so they become accessible. I think that warrants enough for a little introduction
Love Bill Burr's perspective. Love that he considers the the setting, sky, the horses, and just all the nuances that make a picture unique.
This is one of Scorsese best films to day, it’s the editing and
Cinematography on this that’s makes it look so beautiful and really stands out with silence as well
"Youre charging me Osage prices!"
“You realize it sounds like you’re planning on murdering those children.”
“Not if I don’t get the money.”
People started laughing when he said that at the cinema I saw it in lol motherf**ker was so blatant.
@@edwardhannah8507..... what?
That was simultaneously funny and really disturbing.
He says it like killing kids is nothing.
I audibly laughed because it was a certified BRUH moment.
And then he gets arrested and I was like yeah, you done now.
That was scary and hilarious at the same time
Scorsese is a genius
He’s totally right about this flick. It was utterly engrossing.
I saw it in the theater and wore my Pendleton blanket and silver earbob regalia and felt so powerful in my culture.
Everyone hating like how everyone hated with the Irishman. Give it time and everyone will love this one, truly one of the more depressing films by Martin and the cinematography was beautiful and felt like I was back in the countryside
It's the opposite. People give them more credit than they deserve because they're Scorsese epics, but 20 years from now no one is gonna be talking about them.
one of scorsese’s most tedious movies
Virtually nobody is hating ont his movie like they did with the Irishman. One's amazing, the other is... the Irishman. Which is just okay
@@Ryan-Petre wtf are you talking about? Oh you mean his movies like Taxi Driver that released 50 years ago? hmm you right nobody talking about those
@@JustNiceStuff-ux5nzpeople misunderstand “the Irishman”. I was confounded with it too at first but then it made sense. “Goodfellas”, “Casino” and “The Irishman” form a triptych, and have this structure of a Greek tragedy - hamartia, agnarosis, katharsis. It is the original sin, the recognition of that sin, and the downfall. Even using the youth rendering works, and De Niro geriatric movements.
I love Bill Burr talking about movies he loves
Bill Burr has a great perspective on movie analysis. He should make a podcast dedicated to movie reviews.
Burr goated for this take. KOTFM is amazing
Movie really does fly by, not slow at all, and was also intimidated by run time at first.
Loved it, amazing cinematography and acting.
This, Oppenheimer and The Killer were my favourites from last year.
Same here. All 3 of those I've watched like 3 times each. Masterpieces. So rare these days
Kotfm & Opp really didn't do it for me, pained me to get through, and I usually love movies like that. The Killer was okay, my favourite of the year was The Holdovers though. Will probably watch Oppenheimer & Flower Moon again at some point, maybe I'll see them differently on a second watch. Idk...
You didnt watch Godzilla Minus One then.
@@ElSoloNocoreally enjoyed holdovers; can you believe I happened to buy a copy of Meditations 5 minutes before the film? Was kind of surreal.
Both over rated dog shit 😊
It's SOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOD!!!!! And I agree, time flew. I had seen other films up for awards and this blows them out of the water FOR ME. Not for everyone obviously.
It’s terrible, Scorsese needs to retire.
@@Grande79 you're clueless.
@@lukaz3336 no I’m not, it’s just not great at all.
@@Grande79 nah you very much are. Go watch Madame Web, have fun!
@@danielpatache8843Nope, I would never waste my time with that trash. Your assumption is that I’m a Marvel fanboy because how else could I not like a Scorsese film. Your assumption I wrong. Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, The Departed, range from very good to incredible. The Irishman and KOTFM are not very good.
The entire movie is great but the first 15 minutes is just perfect. It starts quietly with the Osage tribe until oil shoots out and the song "Osage Oil Boom" starts playing and I saw it in a huge theater with great sound and I almost wanted to dance to that song. I was trying not to nod my head to it. Then it switches from Black & White to Color as it introduces Leonardo DiCaprio on a train as if that is the character we are choosing to follow for this story out of all the others on the train. He takes out his flask, looks around and takes a swig.
The train arrives and we soon get to the ranch were Robert De Niro is at as we swoop over some fields with horses and it looks beautiful. You know it's going to get a lot darker because it's Martin Scorsese. Then the scene that just felt really fun for some reason is when that race goes thru town and people are betting, Leonardo DiCaprio even sees a fight happening and joins in for a second just to have some fun. There was just so much happening in that town, and when Leonardo DiCaprio meets Lily Gladstone it's just funny and you enjoy seeing them start their relationship, which is why you end up hating Leonardo DiCaprio so much because he just keeps doing everything De Niro says. Somehow the movie immediately got me interested where I was happy it was over 3 hours long.
Meth Damon really became a serious actor, real good acting.
He’s in it for like 5.7 seconds
@@bobinchainzand he makes every second count
He’s been a serious actor for some time now lol
Killers of the flower moon is an important story certainly it became more something people started to be aware of when the book came out, and scorcese did an exceptional job not just on the adoption of the book but in the whole story and involving the osage people to help to tell the story. There are many people still living descended from those murdered osage indians that martin scorcese talked to in preparation for the film.
Im one of the few people I know who went to see it. The run time kept a lot of folks away. I too was captivated and really only kinda restless within the last 20 min of the movie. That was more because I get antsy when I sit too long rather than the film being dull. Watching it in two takes might be a good move for some folks.
What, you can't admit the movie sucked??
@@ww2remembered983People are using stupid tired narratives like you just only like marvel movies or you are just triggered and a maga troglodyte if you didn’t like it. It entertained me and it was free on Apple TV, so I can’t complain. It had great cinematography and being an Okie myself I liked seeing my state’s history depicted on screen, but as a movie fan I can’t deny it could’ve been edited way better. I broke it apart into two nights and by the end of both I was still napping in my recliner.
@@mikeg2491 Gee, quite a word salad there man. Sure, I am anti-fascist, meaning I do not like them, or Nazi's. You see, my father and his buddies were WW2 vets and educated me on the subject. MAGA doesn't mind them at all, matter of fact, they use the Nazi's propaganda tricks right now. So anyway, you agree, that movie sucks, lol.
@@mikeg2491always hard to justify a movie that’s longer than 2 hours . It wasn’t til the last hour where it’s hard to say if any scenes should be taken out tho . Felt like you needed all of it but def not everyone’s cup of tea
This movie was damn good..i hope more people will check it out..my wife and i were glued to the screen those 3 hrs flew by
Hauntingly Epic movie.
i wish norm was alive to review this movie
Watch The FBI Story (1959), narrated by James Stewart, who stars in it. They did a segment of what happened in Oklahoma, back then. One of my favorite movies.
i feel insane when i hear people say they liked it. Found it boring and long and fell asleep. And I love pretty much every other of his movies
Bill is the real thing. I love his comments. His perspective. I don't always agree with him, but he's good.
I saw it in a theater with probably less than 10 people, 3.5 hours flew by
I don’t usually look at running times of movies before I see them but I did for some reason, I’m glad I did cause I could imagine getting caught off guard with a 3 hour movie in a theater . That being said I felt the same way, I was into it the whole way and wasn’t hoping it will end like I have with other movies.
One of those movies you have to force yourself to sit down and really watch, but so worth it. And to think marty is still making movies of this quality and this consistency is really goat activity
great channel. found a lot of movies from your vids! thanks.
I thought it was so good. And it was so well paced, which was my main problem with the Irishman, which felt like 5 hours. The only thing that held it back for me, and this is a personal thing, but I wanted more of MOLLIE!! I was so invested in her story, and I feel like it should’ve been more about her!
Crazy i feel the complete opposite. This movie NEVER got going. He is a master director and he showed off his skills but the movie was a snooze fest.
@@cumeatchinorgordan7024I don’t think Martin has it any more.
@@tommygunn940he's over 80, what does he have left to prove to you?
@@murk4552 He claims he wants to keep making movies when I don't think he should. I'm not saying he just now lost it, he hasn't had it for a while now.
I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can watch this movie and think Scorsese shouldn’t work anymore. I can understand saying it’s too long or not as good as his best work, but I can name films he did from any other decade that it’s better than.
It really is a wonderful film. Absolutely wonderful stuff. Very moving also.
1:53 I don’t think Bill would like ‘Past Lives’ very much. I didn’t really get into Maestro but I’m going to give it another chance when it’s playing in theaters in a couple weeks.
I thought this movie could have been a lot better but I still liked it. I wish Scorsese would have kept his original idea for the script but he wanted to be respectful of the Osage so I get it
When Bill Burr at the end said that every best picture movie deserved to be there, I was surprised because I thought he would hate Barbie. lol
Well, he did say "so far". Maybe he hasn't come to it yet!
Barbie was great. It was nothing what I thought/had been lead believe it was going to be.
I think he's friendly with Bradley Cooper so he can't be honest there either.
@@daveclark8337 Bradley Cooper you say?
That was a really great review. I love the technical call-outs. Maybe I'll finally watch it.
yep i saw it in the theater and didn't even get up to piss once
Wow, he pronounced the title properly!
You left right on time. With 40 mins left In The movie
Great to hear Bill's hairless nutsack of a review perfectly describe the bullshit-free landscape that is Killers of the Flower Moon.
What's your point?
Sorry, ignore the stupid language - I think quite a few people brushed Flower Moon off as woke, brainwashy stuff, but I didn't think that at all. The film has arrived at a time when people are walking delicately over "cultural issues", and are afraid to treat Flower Moon as a film worth critiquing, so instead they see it as a "cultural statement" beyond reproach. The real point of Flower Moon is that it could happen anywhere, which is why, in true Scorsese fashion, it will endure.
@@walkerzupp8393 it's boring, and people are already forgetting it.
For someone who loved the Irishman even when so many were hating on it, I found this movie to be a bit tiring. It’s beautiful, it’s story is well made and put together, but something just didn’t click with me like some others did.
I need to hear him talking about Poor Things now.
Finally got around to watching it and it is so depressing!
It's not a movie I see myself re-watching.
That says more about you
A movie about a group of people being systemically murdered and robbed with little to no recourse to fight back was depressing? The hell you say.
Agreed. It was pointless. And quite truthfuly felt of white worship. These were horrible crimes. And the movie paints these white man heroes. 😢
Depressing and boring . Barely made it through it and I’ll definitely never watch it again
@@bobinchainzgo watch marvel movies kiddo
How they adapted the book to movie is pure genius. The book was devastating...the movie destroyed me.
It didn't fly by. It was like watching a term paper, much history, but no energy.
It's a cinematic masterpiece. Will be look at more fondly in the coming years like the Irishman has been.
Best movie of 2023 is Godzilla Minus One
it's okay movie but the photographic is really awesome
"photography"(cinematography)
It’s beautiful in person too! The rolling hills and prairies of Osage County are truly something to see.
It felt like just 2 hours
Gee, look at the horses!? Um....low threshold of excitement there, buddy. And he put it all on film!! Yeah, Bill, it's called a movie.
Loved it. But it didn’t have to be that long. A lot of those scenes could’ve been cut for a 2hr30min feature
I like this movie way better than the irishman.
I didnt know how long it was until i was an hour and 45 minutes into it. I checked to see how long it was and i was like wtf.
After Mean Streets, Good Fellas, Gangs of NY, Casino and The Departed, Scorsese finally made a film about the real original criminal gangsters of this country....WASPS.
Amazing :D :D :D
If you are checking out the lighting and framing of a film, wondering how the director "got the shot"... that doesn't scream "great movie". That seems to be a clinical and cold reaction to the technical mastery of the film. However, despite admiring the craftsmanship, I found "Killers" to be a desperately bleak film and I have no desire to watch it again. To clarify, I don't think it is a bad film... but it was not a pleasant experience.
I don't think a pleasant experience does the subject matter justice.
@@PauLtus_B I feel most viewers are praising the subject matter rather than the film.
@@tccandler I wouldn't be one of them.
Not that the subject matter isn't important to me but otherwise I would've felt that the subject matter deserves a better movie (which is how I feel about the Imitation game).
I'm not going to argue that we should elevate certain movies above our emotional engagement with it because they're supposedly "important" but not every story needs to be entertaining or even cathartic to be worth something. There are plenty of movies which are very important to me and I'm very happy I watched but at the same time can be so painful I don't want to revisit them often. They can still be formative and honestly make you into a better person. Sometimes they can help you feel something that you already knew was true and should probably change your behaviour but before felt distant enough to ignore it.
That said, I found "Killers of the Flower Moon" to be very watchable (besides just sitting that long not being that comfortable). The Zone of Interest to me was the movie that I thought was great but I also just don't want to watch again. I wasn't even excited in the way I usually am when I see something miserable but nonetheless shows an interesting and impressive artistic vision (although it definitely is that).
@@PauLtus_B Agreed with almost all of that.. I still graded "KOTFM" a 7/10. I didn't dislike it. I simply feel that I would never want to revisit that level of human depravity ever again.
@@tccandler Which is totally fair!
I can be quite a masochist when it comes to film but even then there's plenty of movies that I just think are too miserable for me to rewatch. I'm also not nearly as "brave" when it comes to documentaries.
I just found KotFM artistically interesting and beatiful and occasionally actually entertaining enough to be fine with that.
Although the main feeling I got from it was still a whole lot of white guilt.
Going back to your very first comment:
I think it's actually somewhat fair to say it's not that good a sign for a movie when you end up thinking much about the success of the technicalities but it does depend on what kind of film watcher you are and how much you know about how these things are made. I don't consider myself knowledgable of acting for example so when I find myself thinking "great acting" while watching a movie it can mean I'm just not engrossed with the actual performance to forget about the fact I'm watching an actor acting.
Bill is really just a film nerd disguised as a guy who would bully a film nerd.
Well crafted but I had a problem with the script - you can either follow two reprehensible characters in Leo or Deniro, as they systematically murder and swindle, or Lily's character who basically does nothing but react to all the brutality around her. She never tries to get out from under it. It's fascinating but hard to hook into anyone. Even Henry Hill of Goodfellas was charismatic and they never showed him murder anyone.
She literally goes to DC to bring the government in to investigate which is what stops it
I mean shes the one who travels sick to appeal to the President in person to help stop it. That really happened and the movie shows it
Gladstone's character for one was debilitated - she was literally being poisoned. And she does try to do something by going to DC.
@@Palendrome fair point, she doesn't do nothing. it's just that her character is mostly reactive instead of active. whatever happened in real life happened, i'm not judging that, more so as a character arc
@@noodle123ify Yeah I feel that. I understand where people are coming from when they say the movie should have focused on her. But Scorcese went the true crime route focusing on them because he didnt think trying to present it as a mystery would work
Look at billy hollywood here!
My favorite Scorsese
Bullshit, saw it in theatres and felt every second of the runtime even though I enjoyed it. Not my favorite Scorsese by a longshot but glad I got to see it.
Not the dead flowers 😭🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶. Release the directors cut, now blood meridian 😱
He hasn't seen Maestro lmao
For the record, Philadelphia was not a Picture nom
It was a very good movie 🍿 Better than Oppenheimer in my opinion.
My aunt & uncle loved it. Looking forward to seeing it soon.
I’m surprised Scorsese didn’t cast DeNiro as a 17yr old boy.
I’m not a Robert DeNiro (the person) fan, but I thought his acting was amazing. It was like he remembered how to do it again. Why there isn’t more talk about his performance, I don’t know. Leo too - those 2 together had some great scenes. Maybe because Lily Gladstone was SO powerful in a quiet, dignified way - did she knock them out and wind up dominating?
You’re not a DeNiro (the person) fan? What does that even mean? The guy tries to be private with his life 😂
lol
De Niro is timeless what are you smoking lol
Maestro is this year's stinker. Society of the Snow should have been nominated for Best Picture in its place.
This movie will definitely not be as good as his greatest films, but I am willing to give it a shot.
Saw it in theatres opening night in IMAX, thought it was kind of mid tbh
Sorry but it dragged and you already knew the motivations of everyone in the first 15 minutes defeating the point of the rest of the (lengthy) screentime.
6/10
Better than Gangs of New York and the Aviator.
Definitely better than the Aviator.
Which film was ever nominated that was about cruelty to animals? WTF? I wish.
I had such high hopes because i really enjoyed silence and Marty has been one of the few directors of his age group that still made quality pictures. Movie look beautiful but the last 40 mins i was so bored, my girl was asleep and i came out of the viewing disappointed to say the least
Not to be a hater, but I am guessing Bill has not seen 'Maestro' yet
I gotta strongly disagree with this one it did not fly by. Bout 90 minutes in I was like “man this is flying by I’m so glad I finally get to see Scorsese in the movie theatre I bet it’s already almost over.” And then I realized there was still 2 hours left and then it reaaaalllllyy started feeling like it was dragging.
Goodfellas, departed, casino, gangs of New York, shit most Scorsese movies are long runtimes but fly by. Cannot say the same with killers of the flower moon or Irishman. Still great movies tho.
Best film of 2023
It was a good movie but it could have easily been trimmed down by an hour and been just as effective if not more effective
Would’ve liked to see Jesse Plemons’ character in Killers merge with Todd from Breaking Bad…”Tell me Ernest, what’s your favorite Dr. Hook song?”
One of Scorsese's best? I don't know about that. Shocked Bill loved this.
This is his worest by a mile. 😅
I agree with you, easily Marty's second worst film ever in my view. Leo was great and a few other actors in it were strong, but story wise it was very standard and uninteresting for the most part. All of the modern Scorsese films look good visually, I agree with Bill on that aspect only.
@@Rubrick23. Silence was even worse in my view. I'd say it's his second worst.
This movie was a masterpiece
@@jh2245you’re so obviously racist and can’t critique the movie lol
Does Bill think Barbie deserve to be nominated for best picture 😂?
To be fair Bill, Cruelty to animals is an important subject.
The horses in that opening he's talking about is CG lol.
This movie was wayyy better than the Irishman
Mr James Whale, would it be a problem if you changed your intro? it always gives me a jump scare (youtube adverts are bad enough😂). regardless, great stuff
The stinker is Maestro
Oscarbait of the year
I liked it. Something was missing from it but I was impressed overall.
cigarettes are a main character in Maestro
maestro is a better movie than killers of the flower moon and it’s not close….
Maestro is a fuckin’ zero! 😂
The movie should be required viewing for History classes in HS and College....
Great movie, would have been one of his best if he cut an hour from it
Wow. Bill went almost two full minutes before he got back to what fucking irritates him.
The run time was great, well paced. The Irishman is definitely an hour too long, but amazing first 2 hrs. Killers was great start to finish.
I wonder if he liked Oppenheimer.
I agree. It’s one of the greatest films he’s ever made. Unfortunately, Oppenheimer is going to win.
Amazingly shot movie, the subject matter is so depressing that it’s a 1 time viewing for me.
So I had a dream that I took my friends to see this movie because I saw it and thought they’d like it. But the theater cut out a bunch to make it 90 minutes. My friends didn’t like it and I was so mad! lol
It was shot beautifully and looks great. For what this movie is it encapsulates what they were trying to portray perfectly but the subject matter is so fucking boring.
It was a good film. I prefer the Irishman with its weird casting choices over this film however.
"HIS NAME IS FAT DAMON"
I don't understand why Barbie in nominated. Its an ok movie but cmon.
Its insane how 2023 has a lot of really great movies but every movie it’s not amazing for a number of multiple reasons:
Killers of the flowers moon: too long
The Creator: too long and wasted a great premise on just a “fine” flick
Mission Impossible 7: too long and too much stuff going on, complicated
Gran Turismo: too much product placement
Oppenheimer: too long and boring
Tyler Rake 2: the kid was annoying
Godzilla minus one: too sad
Barbie: too cringe and feminist
Can’t say I agree with Bill. Movie cinematography wise felt flat color wise… like Marty couldn’t make up his mind whether he wanted a black and white film or color. There’s also a weird greyness or monochromatic nature of it. Just look at the sky and grass… they almost blend together.
Granted, it could have gone the “teal/yellow” or “pale brown/blue” route like a lot of modern films, but I wasn’t impressed. Movie is alright, but Bill jokes about “The Message” trope and yet the movie does exactly that: is it AIDS, racial discrimination or the Holocaust? Oh! We have a winner! The ever tried and true “White Guilt”!
You think we’ll ever see a movie about Woodrow Wilson and how he nuked any racial progress made since the Civil War? Or how Lyndon Johnson fabricated the Tonkin Bay incident to justify the Vietnam War? Or Obama giving that drone strike order that led to 153 innocent people trying to have a wedding getting blown to smithereens? Or the Zebra murders, where a group of African Americans were going on a mass murder spree of white people in San Francisco in the late 60’s? Or how the Atomic Energy Commission experimented on black and white people in Tuskegee and Oak Ridge, TN under President Truman? Yeah… probably not.
Well you just gave me plenty to consider in terms of ideas, all of those sound like they’d make compelling movies if done right, now we know they’ll be hard to get made for “reasons” but as a so called black man myself, I’d like to tackle some of them, especially the zebra murders which I had never heard of until now. Thank you for the inspiration, hopefully they get made, I’ll try my best. And I agree with you, KoTFM fell a bit flat to me. Thought it was a bit preachy at times
It's okay the movie can't hurt you anymore
@@Zegeebwah
well done sir, well done. I couldn’t agree more.
Tell us how you really feel.
It was not great. Best part was Leo, Gladstone’s character was just stoic & had the fever half the time. De Niro was forgettable outside of speaking a Native language. It brought attention to the tribe but did not celebrate them in any way.
Celebrate what?
Why do they need to be celebrated? Why cant they just be portrayed in a normal way? Just because they're not white and they're native american they need to be "celebrated"?
@@frbnd6848that’s literally what the film did at the end. They portrayed Natives as dumb drunks for two and a half hours and then celebrated them with Scorsese speech and the drum circle. Tone was all over the place and portrayed nothing but stereotypes. Only time it worked was as a black comedy. But even then, who wants to watch a comedy about racist mudderers.
“Is it cruelty to animals”
Well, kinda
I consider Scorsese the greatest living American film director and have for decades. Having said that, the Irishman was...not good. In the decades to come I figure it will be...less good. (mostly due to the not good, very bad, near unwatchable miscasting of the main character)
"Once Jesse Plemmon's character shows up," is the comment that begins the downfall of every movie hes in.