I tired the Hartmann Neuron VSTi some years ago with an Intel Core i7-3930K Hexa-Core Processor 3.2 Ghz and 64GB of RAM and it still glitched out. It didn’t even sound that good when it did run smooth though. The free OsTIrus, Access Virus TI emulator from the usual suspects on the other hand sounds phenomenal.
Even though we try our best to have backwards compatibility for as long as we can, we usually throw the towel at 20 years. On Mac its even worse as Apple makes it nearly impossible to target a vast array of OS releases. Bidule, like all our new apps have moved to exclusively x64 and ARM64.
Oh, hello! I just subscribed to your channel -- it contains amazing work. I wasn't really expecting the latest Bidule to work, I just thought it wouldn't hurt to try. Would it be possible to get an older version to try, like v0.9730, or another older version that knew how to handle the older VST SDK?
why don't you start your vst host in a console, and see if there are any errors being spewed? maybe it's missing some DLLs. try installing all the visual c++ runtime libs. a lot of devs forget about that one in particular, idk why.
Alas, nothing came from the console experiment. But, Hermann has a "tracing" version of VSTHost I tried. I found the traces from when it opens the GUI; alas, it doesn't seem to give any clues: 00:00:10.286 0x2488 ProcessReplacing 2 max=0.00000 00:00:10.286 0x2488 Pass thru PlugIn 1 00:00:10.287 0x2488 SendData(1764): Output buffer 1 (2 used); max=0.00000 00:00:10.287 0x2488 Leave Host at 18717912118 - MS In 17293.29 Out 422624.17 00:00:10.288 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditOpen RC=1 00:00:10.288 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effGetProductString "Neuron VS VSt-Plugin" RC=1 00:00:10.288 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effGetProgramName "No Program Name" RC=0 00:00:10.288 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effGetProgram RC=0 00:00:10.289 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditGetRect (0,0,800,652) RC=1 00:00:10.291 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditGetRect (0,0,800,652) RC=1 00:00:10.293 0xEA4 CMainMdiClient::OnSize(0,1080,348) 00:00:10.294 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditGetRect (0,0,800,652) RC=1 00:00:10.300 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditIdle RC=0 00:00:10.326 0x2558 Enter Host at 18717952154 - MS In 17293.29 Out 461558.46 00:00:10.326 0x2558 Timer activated after 40.1 msecs of 40.0 00:00:10.326 0x2488 Pass thru PlugIn 0 00:00:10.326 0x2488 Engine Input max=0.00000
Tenacity? Sunk cost fallacy? In all seriousness though, there's nothing quite like it. The description of how it actually works -- something to do with neural networks -- is very vague. I'd really like to know more about the internals of how it operates.
@@Lantertronics That was my concern all the way back to the original hardware synth - felt to be trading on what was a buzzword at the time, without much explanation "Oh it's our terribly proprietary supersecret Hot Commodity! That's all you need to know." As for the pronunciation of the name 'Seit,' think 'site'
I tired the Hartmann Neuron VSTi some years ago with an Intel Core i7-3930K Hexa-Core Processor 3.2 Ghz and 64GB of RAM and it still glitched out. It didn’t even sound that good when it did run smooth though. The free OsTIrus, Access Virus TI emulator from the usual suspects on the other hand sounds phenomenal.
Aaron, some of the "music" you played reminds me of either Kraftwerk and/or Jean-Michel Jarre. ;)
If you want, I have a couple videos on my channel on running this in studio one on windows.
I'll check those out! :)
Been ages since I used Bidule, but IIRC there’s links to old versions via a forum post stickied to the Plogue Bidule forum…might give that a try?
Oh! That's good to know. I will check that out...
Even though we try our best to have backwards compatibility for as long as we can, we usually throw the towel at 20 years. On Mac its even worse as Apple makes it nearly impossible to target a vast array of OS releases. Bidule, like all our new apps have moved to exclusively x64 and ARM64.
Oh, hello! I just subscribed to your channel -- it contains amazing work.
I wasn't really expecting the latest Bidule to work, I just thought it wouldn't hurt to try.
Would it be possible to get an older version to try, like v0.9730, or another older version that knew how to handle the older VST SDK?
@@Lantertronics Thanks! Been subbed to your channel for a while too! I can send you the link to the last known working x86-32 build of Bidule in a PM.
@@Lantertronics sent you an email
@@plgDavid Thanks!
@@plgDavid I will try it out!
Bad boy.
well done sir
thanks!
Try Before Buy!
why don't you start your vst host in a console, and see if there are any errors being spewed?
maybe it's missing some DLLs. try installing all the visual c++ runtime libs. a lot of devs forget about that one in particular, idk why.
I don't know Windows deeply so I didn't think of it, but that's a good idea! I will try it.
Alas, nothing came from the console experiment. But, Hermann has a "tracing" version of VSTHost I tried. I found the traces from when it opens the GUI; alas, it doesn't seem to give any clues:
00:00:10.286 0x2488 ProcessReplacing 2 max=0.00000
00:00:10.286 0x2488 Pass thru PlugIn 1
00:00:10.287 0x2488 SendData(1764): Output buffer 1 (2 used); max=0.00000
00:00:10.287 0x2488 Leave Host at 18717912118 - MS In 17293.29 Out 422624.17
00:00:10.288 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditOpen RC=1
00:00:10.288 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effGetProductString "Neuron VS VSt-Plugin" RC=1
00:00:10.288 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effGetProgramName "No Program Name" RC=0
00:00:10.288 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effGetProgram RC=0
00:00:10.289 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditGetRect (0,0,800,652) RC=1
00:00:10.291 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditGetRect (0,0,800,652) RC=1
00:00:10.293 0xEA4 CMainMdiClient::OnSize(0,1080,348)
00:00:10.294 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditGetRect (0,0,800,652) RC=1
00:00:10.300 0xEA4 effDispatch 2: effEditIdle RC=0
00:00:10.326 0x2558 Enter Host at 18717952154 - MS In 17293.29 Out 461558.46
00:00:10.326 0x2558 Timer activated after 40.1 msecs of 40.0
00:00:10.326 0x2488 Pass thru PlugIn 0
00:00:10.326 0x2488 Engine Input max=0.00000
@@Lantertronics yeah that's just the VST api, not the GUI api
Got a dll with a working UI from dlldownloader. Not a bot or anything, just saying
What OS are you running?
@@Lantertronics Running SteamOS/KDE Plasma and using Wine 7.
there's a billion softsynths out there, why spend so many cycles on this one?
Because in the immortal words of Kurt Vonnegut, “We are here on this Earth to fart around, don’t let anyone tell you different.”
Tenacity? Sunk cost fallacy?
In all seriousness though, there's nothing quite like it. The description of how it actually works -- something to do with neural networks -- is very vague. I'd really like to know more about the internals of how it operates.
@@Lantertronics That was my concern all the way back to the original hardware synth - felt to be trading on what was a buzzword at the time, without much explanation "Oh it's our terribly proprietary supersecret Hot Commodity! That's all you need to know."
As for the pronunciation of the name 'Seit,' think 'site'