I think I figured out what finally gets under my skin about Murad. He listens to everybody, No matter how bad the idea might sound he still listens to everybody. Then uses one of those decisions. He never thinks for himself. He also never thinks long-term or for the continuation of the empire and this just keeps making him more paranoid. When you look at Suleiman he plans and thinks about his decisions very carefully. He also reads people and tries to keep the good advice around and never let's himself get swayed too much by people. Murad can't do that.
Murad is like Nurbano & Selim ..short tempered stubborn and acts in haste before he realizes the danger and very tragic unfortunate circumstances & consequences 😢
@@marihillestad5486 I prefer her look when she was annoyed. Also, why her hair suddenly become black? When she was Anastasia, her hair was quite brown.
Agree it's good acting; Metin is a fantastic actor. But story wise, Murad's reaction doesn't make sense. If he truly loved Farya (as the show seems to be saying) then he should have been grief stricken rather than angry. Like Sultan Suleiyman when Hurrem Sultan dies, or Prince Bayezid was about Hurrichan Sultan or Sultan Ahmed when he thought Kosem had been killed in the attack on the palace. At this point the person Murad should be the most angry at is himself. The last time we see Murad & Farya together she was concerned for her life & she tells him Sanavber almost murdered her. But Murad does not take any extra steps to protect her or his baby princes even though Farya tells him that & he had started a war with Kosem. In fact this whole episode makes almost no sense in my opinion. I can't help but wonder if the writers had to scrape this together at the last moment because the actors playing Silahatar & Farya decided to leave the show quickly?
I don't know that, it's mainly speculation. However, a lot of things don't add up. We never see any major characters in shot with Farya or Silahatar in the death scenes / post death scenes. Either the actors' are not in shot together or in Silahatar's case we can't see his face when he is killed. In Farya's case, the death happens off screen. And the image afterwards where she is found hanged by a rope doesn't look real (wondering if it may be photoshopped?), & even then the actors faces are never in shot at the same time. So it's possible the 2 actors were not there to film those final scenes. The scene where Farya is starting to be strangled looks like a typical teaser leading up to either (1) someone storming in at the last moment to save her or (2) Kosem gliding in when she is at deaths door to threaten her. The actors leaving would explain why so many things don't make sense e.g. why Farya was wearing different nightclothes in the 2 scenes , why was the door left open when strangling her (when many other people were close by), why didn't Murad, Madame or Atike rush over to Farya's body to cut her down from the rope or to grieve, how was Kermankes able to sneak past Murad's guards & aghas in the palace and then past the concubines, how did they know Murad wouldn't be with Silahatar or Farya, why would they risk this before making sure Gulbahar was dead (since she was the cover story), & why would they pretend Farya had hanged herself when they had the Gulbahar cover story. Not to mention there was no build up to this, no compelling in story reasons for it and these murders aren't consistent with Kosem or Kermankes' characters over the first season & half. Plus the 2 actors were dating at the time, so if one decided to leave it's possible the other may have left as well. @@renateserenay2032
@@CadwallonMawr that's actually exactly what happened. They wanted to leave the show so the writers did what they had to do. You can look it up. You are ultimately right though
@@Sky-tv4wb Thank you. Much appreciated. I was able to find a little bit about it online indicating that was the case. Although I suspect there is probably more online written in Turkish. It would be quite interesting to know what writers had in store for Silahatar & Farya's' characters if the actors hadn't left.
Ayse is in under depression, dont blame her. Because people in the past dont know what is depression and anxiety, we here in the present know that. Im so pity with ayse and to her children🥺
Sorry, nope. Kosem got played. This was all part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. Ayse & her children, Farya & Silahatar are all just dominoes falling to bring down Murad & Kosem. The next dominoes to fall will be Murad's baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa. Well played Gulbahar & Sinnan!
It's not about hate. And if anybody hate her that's doesn't mean he or she is the Hurrem's lover. it doesn't make any sense🙄. And why you guys always busy to compare these two lady where they both played vital role in their own reign.@@AbuSayed-bu6ey
While Ayse did have some provocation from how Murad behaved in my view that in no way justifies a mother choosing to murder her own children. Not even close. And Ayse's other crimes were horrendous@@humerashaikh8839
@@humerashaikh8839 Sorry, but I don't see how Ayse was any worse off than Mahidevrhan or Ghulbahar. And say what you want about them neither would ever have dreamed of murdering their own children
Sorry but Kosem would never have done anything to avenge Ayse after what Ayse did. In fact Kosem would be glad Ayse is gone. And this clearly has nothing to do with Ayse anyway.
Sorry, nope. Ayse wasn't avenged here. It was Bayezid who was avenged, not Ayse. Gulbahar & Sinan played Ayse like a violin from the get go. They stoked Ayse's petty insecurity, jealousy & vanity to provoke her into a death feud with Farya which Ayse never had any chance of winning. Once Gulbahar tricked Ayse into murdering Farya & Murad's unborn baby, Ayse was on borrowed time. This was all part of their devious master plan to bring down Murad by eliminating the two women he loved. Ayse & her children, Farya & Silahatar were all just dominoes falling to bring down Murad & Kosem. The next dominoes to fall will be Murad & Farya's baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa. Well played Gulbahar & Sinnan!
Nope, Kosem got played. This was all part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. Next on their hit list will be the baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa.
It's very curious we don't see any of the major characters in shot with Farya or Silahatar in the death scenes. Either they are not in the same shot at all or in Silahatar's case we can't see his face when he is killed. In Farya's case, the actual death happens off screen. The scene afterwards where she is found hung by a rope doesn't look real. Makes one suspect the actors playing Farya & Silahatar may have left suddenly forcing the writers to throw this together at the last moment. The scene where Farya is starting to be strangled looks like a typical teaser leading up to either (1) someone storming in at the last moment to save her or (2) Kosem gliding into the room when she is at deaths door and threatening her. If the actors had left suddenly, that would also explain why so many things here don't make sense e.g. why Farya was wearing different nightgowns, why they left the door open when strangling her, why didn't Murad, Madame or Atike rush over to Farya's body to cut her down or to grieve, how was Kermankes able to sneak past Murad's guards & agahs in the palace and then past the concubines in the harem wiihout being noticed, why wasn't Murad at Galata tower with Silahatar, how did they know Murad wouldn't be with Silahatar or Farya, why would they risk doing this before making sure Gulbahar was fish food in the Bosphorus, why would they pretend Farya had hung herself when they had the Gulbahar cover story & why weren't the baby princes in Farya's chambers with her. Not to mention there was no build up to this and these murders (particularly Farya) aren't consistent with Kosem or Kermankes' characters so far and it's a bit too much to believe they would stoop to this at this point.
Justice? It was her who killed Farya's child. Ayse deserved it, she was also the one who ended both of her kids. Idk why ppl keep defending a killer, a stupid killer actually
@@alexiaaaI THANK YOU! I also have no idea why people defend Ayse. Due to her stupid scheme to get rid of Farya she killed Farya's innocent unborn child, almost all of Kosem Sultana's contacts in the government, a lot of people who Murad executed for the attack on Farya who may have had nothing to do with it, and last but not least, A LOT of innocent men, women and children who died in the fire in Istanbul. Then she kills her two oldest children. I don't have any sympathy for Ayse. I do have a little sympathy for Ayse's maid, Narin, who had to go along with these dumb ideas Ayse had because Ayse was her mistress.
How? It was Ayse that murdered her own children, not Farya, And Ayse murdered Farya's unborn baby. Farya should never have told Asye that she was going to be executed, but she did not intend any harm to Murad's children and was devestated whe they died. It is also important to remember that Ayse was never Murad's wife, rather she was a concubine that bore him 3 children. So Murad could have had multiple favorites in the harem and other concubines who could have bore children to Murad. So it never really seems to make sense why Ayse is so jealous of Farya and why she is so implacably hostile to her. Perhaps right at the beginning, the show should have had Savanber in the harem already as one of Murad's favourtes at the same time as Ayse Sultan being there as his chief consort.
i've only actually watched a few of these so far and I'm not ashamed I'm hooked the costumes the acting the writing fantastic. And that is from a writer's point of view well done.
Sorry but I don’t see how Kosem saved her family. She is partly at fault for the deaths of Osman & Mehmed because she put Mustafa on the throne first instead of Osman, then she triggered the rebellion that led to Osman being murdered. She is the main reason for Murad's death because she orders his doctor to stop giving him the medicine for his disease & she murders his loved ones here which leads to the death of Murad’s baby princes since Farya isn’t there to protect them. She plays a part in Geverhan's death because of the depressing talk she gives Geverhan just before Atike’s wedding. She is the main cause of Kasim's death as she murdered Farya & Silahatar & tries to dethrone Murad which causes Murad to execute Kasim. Kosem actually orders the execution of Ibrahim. And she plays a part in the deaths of Ayse's children since she ordered that Ayse can see her children alone, when she shouldn't have.
Sorry but Kosem got played. This was part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. Next on their hit list will be the baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad.
Kosem knew that. Farya was the reason of ayse and her children's death. And silahtar was the reason of geverhan death. She did right thing❤. Murad was not worthy for throne. He's just a spoil brat
Sorry, nope. Gulbahar & Sinan were the reason. They played Ayse like a violin from the get go. They stoked Ayse's petty insecurity, jealousy, victim mentality & vanity to provoke her into starting that silly death feud with Farya. Once Gulbahar tricked Ayse into murdering Farya & Murad's unborn baby, Ayse was on borrowed time. This was all part of their devious master plan to bring down Murad which started by eliminating the two women he loved & his children with them. Ayse & her children, Farya & Silahatar were all just dominoes falling to bring down Murad & Kosem. The next dominoes to fall will be Murad & Farya's baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa
@@TushinskyVorII murad is to be blamed, what do u expect when u enslave young girls and tell them oh my amusement will be ur survival and then u bring more women and pitt them against each other through cheating. And don't u worry, in actual history, murad caged and killed all his brothers sparing Ibrahim causing him to be a madman. The show doesn't show it, but kasim bayezid and Ibrahim were caged, away from social interaction, and were allowed to leave the cage. They spent their whole lives their before murad slaughtered them
@@bruhno1545 Murad & Ayse were played by Sinan & Gulbahar. Gulbahar put Ayse up to the attack on Farya that killed Murad's unborn baby, then Gulbahar got Ayse to steal Kosem's seal & she used it to cause the great fire and then Gulbahar snitched on Ayse for those things which is why Murad gives Ayse the death sentence & that's why Ayse poisons herself & her kids. Ayse should have taken Narin's advice not to trust Gulbahar. Without S&G Ayse would still have been a valued member of the imperial family & Murad's chief consort.
I mean y'all were the cause of death for her daughter & many other family members and now her other sons are locked up pending death too so of course she'd go crazy against the heartless scemers.
Kosem never says it was to avenge Geverhan or anyone else. Rather she says it was to get them out of the way so they couldn't interfere with her enthroning Kasim, and she saif it's because they were trying to turn Murad against her, which in Farya’s case wasn’t true. Although Silahatar did get Murad to change the succession laws & he got Murad to execute Abaza Mehmet Pasha, one of Kosem’s most loyal men. Ghulbahar also told Farya that Kosem might murder her because Kosem couldn't stand her son loving someone more than he loved her. Farya didn't have anything to do with Geverhan's death, that was all Silahatar, Murad, Atike & Kosem. And realistically, Farya didn't have that much to do with the deaths of Ayse & Ayse's children either. Ayse, Murad & Ghulbahar were the main culprits there, & even Kosem herself let Ayse see her children alone when she shouldn't have.
I believe the backstory of Russian folklore is a possible link might be interesting. Here is to what they believe at the time era of the story. It might be quite interesting as to what the characters believes were at the time.
Thankfully valide emetullah sultan will win little Turhan hatun and koprulu agha Long live to the great magnificent valide kosem sultan, mother of everyone!
While the real Kaya's mom didn't poison herself (and her siblings) leaving her daughter behind, her fate wasn't exactly happy either. She was first married in her early teens (11-13 y.o.) to some older pasha, but that didn't last. She was then married at least once (but, could be twice) and reportedly didn't like her last husband at first, going as far as taking a dagger to his throat on their wedding night. Eventually, things got better between them and she got pregnant, giving birth to a healthy baby girl. Unfortunately, her placenta got stuck, pushing onto her heart, and despite healers' and midwives' best efforts, they had been unable to remove it. For three days and three nights, Sultana Kaya suffered till she finally passed away. She was only 26 years old, a year younger than her father when he died; never getting the chance to know her only child.
His sons all died in real life, he only had three daughters left when he died one of them was Kaya who died 1659 & one was rukiye sultana who died 1716. The last daughter was hanzade who lived to 1680, she never died as a child as the show depicts. Unfortunately a lot of Murad children died young
I hate to say it but Murad and Kösem are why the children went out with Ayse. That was not Farya’s fault. Ayse killed her children? And then it was Kösem who let Ayse see them ALONE the night before she was to be exiled for all of the horrible things she did. Farya is far from guilty in this
Agree, even though Farya should never have told Ayse about the death warrant. Ultimately Ayse alone is guiilty as she murdered her own children to hurt Murad & Farya. Had Murad banished Ayse to the old palace after her first betrayal then Ayse couldnt have done it. Likewise, Ayse couldn't have done it if Kosem had not inexplicably ordered that Ayse could see her children again. Silahatar had an opportunity to persuade Ayse she wasn't going to be executed and he could have stopped her from seeing her children but he failed. Silahatar then told Lalezar Kalfa to make sure she did not leave Ayse alone with the children but she failed.
Silahatar is also responsible. Check out his epic fail to stop Ayse seeing her children even though he knows Ayse had found out about the death sentence and he can see there is a massive risk and he was in charge of security. Would never have happened if Balibey, Zulkifar or Iskender had been in charge of security instead of Silahatar.
@@sarahsan5946 Sorry but I beg to differ on that point. I am not saying Silahatar is the only person at fault, however he is partly to the blame for what happened. It was his job to protect the sultan and his family. So it was his job to stop it particularly as he could see there was a big risk that something really bad might be about to happen. But he does almost nothing. Then he hides his incompetence from both Kosem and Murad. At a minimum he should have at least warned Murad or Kosem.
@@ΔημΣΚ by killing them all? Valide Handan Sultan, Safiye Sultan, Valide Halime Sultan, Dilruba Sultan, Fahriye Sultan, Sultan Osman, Şehzade Mehmet, Sultan Murad, Şehzade Kasim, Sultan Ibrahim -everyone died because of Kösem.
@@MrA1R1S what ? First of all handan,safiye,halime and her daughter were bad to Kosem. Osman made a massive mistake but still she cared for him and tried to save him ,remember? Mehmet was the fault of Osman because he didn't believe his brother and his mother for the fake news that Mehmet recieved . Murad made many wrong turns against his mother for no reason ,he tought he is the only ruler ,when in fact his mother did more things and taught him all he knew she protected him from everything ,but when he grew up he became too arogant . Kasim well Murad ,and for Ibrahim you know he was mad ,very mad . Must be so easy to judge her ,but she wasn't just an ordinarry women ,she was someone who carried the responsibilty of the state ,she had to take these decisions or everything would have collapsed !
Sorry, nope. Kosem got played. This was all part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. Next on their hit list will be the baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa.
What did Kosem gain by killing Silahtar and Farya? Nothing, she only made his son hostile towards her! Mother Turhan and Koprullu will fix that when Kosem try to do the same to little Mehmed IV!
They were dangerus for the sultan and the otteman empier in their owne diffrent ways so Kosem was not only one in danger,Altike was a massive fool realy regarding him
This is the most important act of hers, after which I hated her. I don’t understand why Marad should be tormented so much by killing the people closest to him. she is not a mother, she is a monster.
Yes, agree with you. It doesn't make much sense and it's a complete shift in Kosem's character. Although I think the actors playing Silahatar & Farya may have left suddenly which forced the writers to come up with endings for their characters on short notice.
@@weaviejeebies more worst. I guess, the worst in ottoman history. How can a mother kill her own children? And after all of these, she wanted to kill her grandchild also. She deserved what she got from Turhan sultan.
Sorry, not really following what justice Ayse might be entitled to? Unless perhaps its justice for trying to get Farya murdered on the way to Uskadr when nothing had even happened yet between her & Murad & when Farya still just wanted to go home? Or perhaps its justice for arranging the brutal attack on Farya that killed her unborn baby & left her unable to have more children? Or perhaps its justice for stealing Kosem's seal & giving it to Ghulbahar which caused the great fire of Istanbul & killed thousands of innocent people? Or perhaps its justice for trying to poison Ghulbahar which caused Ghulbahar to confess everything & expose Ayse? Or perhaps it's justice for Ayse murdering her own children in cold blood just to hurt sultan Murad because she can't face the consequence of her own heinous crimes? Geverhan would be mortified at Silahatar being brutally murdered like this because she loved him.
Kosem was a witch as per this series,she was the worst mother on this planet who killed her own son whatever maybe the reason a MOTHER can’t do it ever
Very poor story telling. Having Farya & Silahtar die that way at that moment, is disrespectful to the characters, the actors, the viewers who liked them & were invested in their story arcs. Plus it makes no sense. This also risks making Kosem & Kermankes look like silly pantomime villains. While they had never blanched at killing before, Kosem & Kermankes had never been cowardly murderers or traitors. While I sort of get why they killed Silahtar, Farya hadn't done anywhere near enough to warrant this. She wasn't trying to turn Murad against Kosem. Farya even saved Kosem’s life by exposing Sanavber as a spy. Farya had also saved Murad and Atike's lives. Kosem also hurts Atike here by killing her husband & her best friend. Kosem also deprives her 2 newborn grandsons of their loving mother. It also paints Murad in a bad light as he fails to get justice for his wife or best friend. Murad also failed his pledge to protect Farya. After everything Murad and Farya had been through together, they deserved at least some happiness for a while to bring up their 2 baby sons; & Farya deserved a much better ending. Despite her faults & mistakes, Farya is very brave, loyal, honest, good hearted & a good fighter so she deserved a more heroic death. Likewise, Silahatar was a great warrior and a loyal soldier & friend to the Sultan so he too deserved a heroic ending. Plus there are no moving farewell scenes, very little mourning, no funeral, and no grave site visit, which disrespects everything that had gone before. Epic miss from the writers. These deaths are such poor story telling, the most comparable example I can think of is the "finger poke of doom" from professional wrestling, which helped cause WCW to lose the Monday night wars against the WWF.
Sorry that's not completely accurate. Murad had a 2nd Haseki late in his reign whose identify is disputed; (likely Semsisah Sultan - a Christian Princess from Georgia whom Murad married0. Farya is based on her. And the show is historical fiction not a docudrama. Probably over 50% of what happens isn't historical. @@icechoc
You have made an excellent recap of how this miniseries went off the rails. I totally lost interest after the murders of these two, especially after the reconciliation of Murad and Farya. Whether or not jealous Kosem had Farya scrubbed from the records is a long, boring debate, though historians tie her to a princess he did marry, who did exist in the harem, whose name I have forgotten. I can't imagine that Kosem is what I would call comfortable in the next life for murdering the majority of her children and their closest loved ones for her own power. Elections are a much more sane way of governing. I think Ahmed would be ashamed of her when meeting her again in the next life, since she did not protect their children like he asked of her before he died, but murdered most of them.
Very kind of you. Thank you.Yes Ahmed would be appalled by what Kosem has become. If you haven't seen them yet, I encourage you to watch the scenes late in the season where Kosem visits uncle Mustafa in his chamber and where Anastasia appears to visit Kosem. Those scenes call out Kosem's lack of self awareness, cruelty and hypocrisy brilliantly. Ibrahim's reign is refreshing, different and well done. And I enjoy watching Turhan Sultan and Madame send Kosem their regards. @@suesmith8372
The comment is about the quality of the story telling in a fictitious drama not about the historicity of one of the characters. If I wanted to watch something historically accurate I'd watch a documentary. BTW - Murad iv had a 2nd Haseki (Ayse being the first) whose identify is disputed. The show based Farya on one of the people who may have been the 2nd Haseki - Semsisah Sultan. As the show is only historical fiction, probably more than half of it is made up @@icechoc
Yep, this was all part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. The next dominoes to fallwill be Murad's baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa
Murad loved her and wanted her there. She was his equal, a princess, and a free woman. He truly admired her. Jealous mere concubines slaves for breeding heirs cannot compare.
@@ДжесикаИванова-б8ф Actually, once Kosem's regency ended she was only responsible for the harem, for charitable work & for protecting Sultan Ahmed's sons since Ahmed entrusted them to her as he was dying. Murad as the Sultan was responsible for the empire & the people of the empire. One of Murad's mistakes was not letting Kosem manage the harem. If he had let Kosem manage the harem, it would have been better for everyone since Kosem would not have let Ghulbahar return to the palace and she would not have let Silahatar marry Atike.
I'M really glad that Farya is gone she's such a bad influence to Murad since d 1st time...and FARYA never existed anyway...that character was just purely fiction added to add drama to d story...
@@domi1992ishMehmet was killed by osman, osman was killed by jannisaries, Murad was either poisoned by his own mother or he died due to other diseases,kasim was killed by Murad, Ibrahim was brutally killed by his own mother, bayezid was executed by Murad
Murad would never have executed Kasim if Kosem had not been intending to enthrone him and if she had not murdered Farya & Silahatar. Kosem killed Murad by getting the chief physician not to give Murad the correct medicine. And Mehmed may not have been murdered if Kosem had not changed the laws to enthrone prince Mustpaha before orince Osman.@@domi1992ish
I think I figured out what finally gets under my skin about Murad. He listens to everybody, No matter how bad the idea might sound he still listens to everybody. Then uses one of those decisions. He never thinks for himself. He also never thinks long-term or for the continuation of the empire and this just keeps making him more paranoid. When you look at Suleiman he plans and thinks about his decisions very carefully. He also reads people and tries to keep the good advice around and never let's himself get swayed too much by people. Murad can't do that.
Murad is like Nurbano & Selim ..short tempered stubborn and acts in haste before he realizes the danger and very tragic unfortunate circumstances & consequences 😢
Unfit to be a leader, what more a Sultan.
3:11 The look on Haci Agha's face says it all: "This is going to turn into Handan and Dervish: The Sequel!"
😂 idk why but this honestly was the funniest thing I heard all day
@@Jonnis_lost_passport Thank you!
KOSEM is even more beautiful when she smiles.
True, but is creepy too becomes she gloats or smirks when she wins
@@marihillestad5486 I prefer her look when she was annoyed. Also, why her hair suddenly become black? When she was Anastasia, her hair was quite brown.
2:00 I WANT Kosem's tiara and gown!
All of them tbh
@@Jonnis_lost_passport ABSOLUTELY! The costume designers and the people who made the jewelry, especially the tiaras, deserve Oscars.
@@Maria-co9egtruer words have never been spoken 👌
Same, i love how she looks good in Red, Blue, Green and Black Dresses
@@Maria-co9eg i love how they reuse Jewellery or Tiaras or dresses in MC or MCK
His face when he first kicks door down & sees her. Pure rage. Good acting!!
Agree it's good acting; Metin is a fantastic actor. But story wise, Murad's reaction doesn't make sense. If he truly loved Farya (as the show seems to be saying) then he should have been grief stricken rather than angry. Like Sultan Suleiyman when Hurrem Sultan dies, or Prince Bayezid was about Hurrichan Sultan or Sultan Ahmed when he thought Kosem had been killed in the attack on the palace. At this point the person Murad should be the most angry at is himself. The last time we see Murad & Farya together she was concerned for her life & she tells him Sanavber almost murdered her. But Murad does not take any extra steps to protect her or his baby princes even though Farya tells him that & he had started a war with Kosem. In fact this whole episode makes almost no sense in my opinion. I can't help but wonder if the writers had to scrape this together at the last moment because the actors playing Silahatar & Farya decided to leave the show quickly?
@@CadwallonMawrhow do u know they decided to leave the show quickly?
I don't know that, it's mainly speculation. However, a lot of things don't add up. We never see any major characters in shot with Farya or Silahatar in the death scenes / post death scenes. Either the actors' are not in shot together or in Silahatar's case we can't see his face when he is killed. In Farya's case, the death happens off screen. And the image afterwards where she is found hanged by a rope doesn't look real (wondering if it may be photoshopped?), & even then the actors faces are never in shot at the same time. So it's possible the 2 actors were not there to film those final scenes. The scene where Farya is starting to be strangled looks like a typical teaser leading up to either (1) someone storming in at the last moment to save her or (2) Kosem gliding in when she is at deaths door to threaten her. The actors leaving would explain why so many things don't make sense e.g. why Farya was wearing different nightclothes in the 2 scenes , why was the door left open when strangling her (when many other people were close by), why didn't Murad, Madame or Atike rush over to Farya's body to cut her down from the rope or to grieve, how was Kermankes able to sneak past Murad's guards & aghas in the palace and then past the concubines, how did they know Murad wouldn't be with Silahatar or Farya, why would they risk this before making sure Gulbahar was dead (since she was the cover story), & why would they pretend Farya had hanged herself when they had the Gulbahar cover story. Not to mention there was no build up to this, no compelling in story reasons for it and these murders aren't consistent with Kosem or Kermankes' characters over the first season & half. Plus the 2 actors were dating at the time, so if one decided to leave it's possible the other may have left as well. @@renateserenay2032
@@CadwallonMawr that's actually exactly what happened. They wanted to leave the show so the writers did what they had to do. You can look it up. You are ultimately right though
@@Sky-tv4wb Thank you. Much appreciated. I was able to find a little bit about it online indicating that was the case. Although I suspect there is probably more online written in Turkish. It would be quite interesting to know what writers had in store for Silahatar & Farya's' characters if the actors hadn't left.
Have to say the actresses in this series are stunning.
but not d actors...only Kasim, Iskender and Beyazid actors are d rest nah...mostly old ones too
9:52 They had only one cgi tree for the whole series 😂
I can't take it seriously whenever Atike calls her husband, "Silahtar". Imagine if someone who you know, kept calling their husband "Gunman"😅
Ayse is in under depression, dont blame her. Because people in the past dont know what is depression and anxiety, we here in the present know that. Im so pity with ayse and to her children🥺
kosem sultan sends her regards.
Chills literal chills
And no doubt that Turhan Sultan sends hers in reply. With help from Madame.
I see you hate her... Let me guess you like Hurrem right?@@CadwallonMawr
Sorry, nope. Kosem got played. This was all part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. Ayse & her children, Farya & Silahatar are all just dominoes falling to bring down Murad & Kosem. The next dominoes to fall will be Murad's baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa. Well played Gulbahar & Sinnan!
It's not about hate. And if anybody hate her that's doesn't mean he or she is the Hurrem's lover. it doesn't make any sense🙄. And why you guys always busy to compare these two lady where they both played vital role in their own reign.@@AbuSayed-bu6ey
Sultan murad was the reason of aysa's children because of farya. Or Geverhan death. Then Valida did that.
What does that mean in English?
Ayse was the reason her children died. Because Ayse killed them.
@@shirereeve287no it was murad's fault from the start he was a horrible man
While Ayse did have some provocation from how Murad behaved in my view that in no way justifies a mother choosing to murder her own children. Not even close. And Ayse's other crimes were horrendous@@humerashaikh8839
@@humerashaikh8839 Sorry, but I don't see how Ayse was any worse off than Mahidevrhan or Ghulbahar. And say what you want about them neither would ever have dreamed of murdering their own children
Thank goodness! Ayse had been avenged! Well deserved Farya!
Child murderers are not avenged.
Sorry but Kosem would never have done anything to avenge Ayse after what Ayse did. In fact Kosem would be glad Ayse is gone. And this clearly has nothing to do with Ayse anyway.
Sorry, nope. Ayse wasn't avenged here. It was Bayezid who was avenged, not Ayse. Gulbahar & Sinan played Ayse like a violin from the get go. They stoked Ayse's petty insecurity, jealousy & vanity to provoke her into a death feud with Farya which Ayse never had any chance of winning. Once Gulbahar tricked Ayse into murdering Farya & Murad's unborn baby, Ayse was on borrowed time. This was all part of their devious master plan to bring down Murad by eliminating the two women he loved. Ayse & her children, Farya & Silahatar were all just dominoes falling to bring down Murad & Kosem. The next dominoes to fall will be Murad & Farya's baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa. Well played Gulbahar & Sinnan!
Kosem Sultan send her regards.
😮
No doubt that Turhan Sultan sends hers in reply. With help from Madame.
Nope, Kosem got played. This was all part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. Next on their hit list will be the baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa.
I never realized how similar show Kosem and Murad are in personality and temperment.
Kõsem Sultan needs to be in a other place sending her regards 🤣🤣😇😇😏😏
Now why would you say that?
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, Murad.
I'd like to think kosem sent Silhatar to Geverhan 😢
😅🤣😂Absolutely
I mean...yeah
Atiki was so selfish
It's very curious we don't see any of the major characters in shot with Farya or Silahatar in the death scenes. Either they are not in the same shot at all or in Silahatar's case we can't see his face when he is killed. In Farya's case, the actual death happens off screen. The scene afterwards where she is found hung by a rope doesn't look real. Makes one suspect the actors playing Farya & Silahatar may have left suddenly forcing the writers to throw this together at the last moment. The scene where Farya is starting to be strangled looks like a typical teaser leading up to either (1) someone storming in at the last moment to save her or (2) Kosem gliding into the room when she is at deaths door and threatening her. If the actors had left suddenly, that would also explain why so many things here don't make sense e.g. why Farya was wearing different nightgowns, why they left the door open when strangling her, why didn't Murad, Madame or Atike rush over to Farya's body to cut her down or to grieve, how was Kermankes able to sneak past Murad's guards & agahs in the palace and then past the concubines in the harem wiihout being noticed, why wasn't Murad at Galata tower with Silahatar, how did they know Murad wouldn't be with Silahatar or Farya, why would they risk doing this before making sure Gulbahar was fish food in the Bosphorus, why would they pretend Farya had hung herself when they had the Gulbahar cover story & why weren't the baby princes in Farya's chambers with her. Not to mention there was no build up to this and these murders (particularly Farya) aren't consistent with Kosem or Kermankes' characters so far and it's a bit too much to believe they would stoop to this at this point.
Finally justice for Ayse and her children.
Justice? It was her who killed Farya's child. Ayse deserved it, she was also the one who ended both of her kids. Idk why ppl keep defending a killer, a stupid killer actually
@@alexiaaaI THANK YOU! I also have no idea why people defend Ayse. Due to her stupid scheme to get rid of Farya she killed Farya's innocent unborn child, almost all of Kosem Sultana's contacts in the government, a lot of people who Murad executed for the attack on Farya who may have had nothing to do with it, and last but not least, A LOT of innocent men, women and children who died in the fire in Istanbul. Then she kills her two oldest children. I don't have any sympathy for Ayse. I do have a little sympathy for Ayse's maid, Narin, who had to go along with these dumb ideas Ayse had because Ayse was her mistress.
I Totally agree with you
How? It was Ayse that murdered her own children, not Farya, And Ayse murdered Farya's unborn baby. Farya should never have told Asye that she was going to be executed, but she did not intend any harm to Murad's children and was devestated whe they died. It is also important to remember that Ayse was never Murad's wife, rather she was a concubine that bore him 3 children. So Murad could have had multiple favorites in the harem and other concubines who could have bore children to Murad. So it never really seems to make sense why Ayse is so jealous of Farya and why she is so implacably hostile to her. Perhaps right at the beginning, the show should have had Savanber in the harem already as one of Murad's favourtes at the same time as Ayse Sultan being there as his chief consort.
@shirereeve287 Farya told Ayse that Murad had issued a death warrent for her. That's why she killed herself and took her children with her.
i've only actually watched a few of these so far and I'm not ashamed I'm hooked the costumes the acting the writing fantastic. And that is from a writer's point of view well done.
Then later........Turhan shall sent Kosem her regards😅
She won't sent her rather she will reply her regard smartly. But yeah rest in peace Kosem, the most powerful queen of Ottoman empire.
Dark Joke 💀
The ladies are so gorgeous and their dresses I’m obsessed ❤
Soon Turhan Sultan will give Kosem the taste of her own medicine.
With a big assist from Madame Margrette
Так и ей надо .Кесем заслужила самую ужасную смерть
The hunger for throne was more for Kosem and for that she didn't even her kids. What a shame.
Sultana Kosem saved her family but Murad wants to destroy because of greed for power. Sorry but I'm with Kosem.
🙄🙄
Sorry but I don’t see how Kosem saved her family. She is partly at fault for the deaths of Osman & Mehmed because she put Mustafa on the throne first instead of Osman, then she triggered the rebellion that led to Osman being murdered. She is the main reason for Murad's death because she orders his doctor to stop giving him the medicine for his disease & she murders his loved ones here which leads to the death of Murad’s baby princes since Farya isn’t there to protect them. She plays a part in Geverhan's death because of the depressing talk she gives Geverhan just before Atike’s wedding. She is the main cause of Kasim's death as she murdered Farya & Silahatar & tries to dethrone Murad which causes Murad to execute Kasim. Kosem actually orders the execution of Ibrahim. And she plays a part in the deaths of Ayse's children since she ordered that Ayse can see her children alone, when she shouldn't have.
If she could have physically put her self on the throne, she would have unalived all of her children instantly!!
Sorry but Kosem got played. This was part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. Next on their hit list will be the baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad.
Kosem knew that. Farya was the reason of ayse and her children's death. And silahtar was the reason of geverhan death. She did right thing❤. Murad was not worthy for throne. He's just a spoil brat
Are you saying Ayse's children did not die because Ayse murdered them by poisoning them?
Sorry, nope. Gulbahar & Sinan were the reason. They played Ayse like a violin from the get go. They stoked Ayse's petty insecurity, jealousy, victim mentality & vanity to provoke her into starting that silly death feud with Farya. Once Gulbahar tricked Ayse into murdering Farya & Murad's unborn baby, Ayse was on borrowed time. This was all part of their devious master plan to bring down Murad which started by eliminating the two women he loved & his children with them. Ayse & her children, Farya & Silahatar were all just dominoes falling to bring down Murad & Kosem. The next dominoes to fall will be Murad & Farya's baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa
@@TushinskyVorII murad is to be blamed, what do u expect when u enslave young girls and tell them oh my amusement will be ur survival and then u bring more women and pitt them against each other through cheating. And don't u worry, in actual history, murad caged and killed all his brothers sparing Ibrahim causing him to be a madman. The show doesn't show it, but kasim bayezid and Ibrahim were caged, away from social interaction, and were allowed to leave the cage. They spent their whole lives their before murad slaughtered them
@@bruhno1545 Murad & Ayse were played by Sinan & Gulbahar. Gulbahar put Ayse up to the attack on Farya that killed Murad's unborn baby, then Gulbahar got Ayse to steal Kosem's seal & she used it to cause the great fire and then Gulbahar snitched on Ayse for those things which is why Murad gives Ayse the death sentence & that's why Ayse poisons herself & her kids. Ayse should have taken Narin's advice not to trust Gulbahar. Without S&G Ayse would still have been a valued member of the imperial family & Murad's chief consort.
Кёсем мать просто супер у Мурада и Атике забрала любовь и сделала им больно 🤦♀️
Самый ужасный персонаж Кёсем,намного хуже и бессердечнее чем Сафин султан
3:06 anyone saw the girlie trippin'????🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean y'all were the cause of death for her daughter & many other family members and now her other sons are locked up pending death too so of course she'd go crazy against the heartless scemers.
Kosem never says it was to avenge Geverhan or anyone else. Rather she says it was to get them out of the way so they couldn't interfere with her enthroning Kasim, and she saif it's because they were trying to turn Murad against her, which in Farya’s case wasn’t true. Although Silahatar did get Murad to change the succession laws & he got Murad to execute Abaza Mehmet Pasha, one of Kosem’s most loyal men. Ghulbahar also told Farya that Kosem might murder her because Kosem couldn't stand her son loving someone more than he loved her. Farya didn't have anything to do with Geverhan's death, that was all Silahatar, Murad, Atike & Kosem. And realistically, Farya didn't have that much to do with the deaths of Ayse & Ayse's children either. Ayse, Murad & Ghulbahar were the main culprits there, & even Kosem herself let Ayse see her children alone when she shouldn't have.
I believe the backstory of Russian folklore is a possible link might be interesting. Here is to what they believe at the time era of the story. It might be quite interesting as to what the characters believes were at the time.
4:53 what does abacinated mean? Is there a spelling mistake? I cannot find the translation to this verb
Abdicated. It is a spelling error
Thankfully valide emetullah sultan will win little Turhan hatun and koprulu agha
Long live to the great magnificent valide kosem sultan, mother of everyone!
Εισαι ηλιθια αδερφαρα
I think you mean Turhan Sultan
@@CadwallonMawr Turhan hatun
@@ΔημΣΚ Last time I watched it was Turhan Sultan
@@CadwallonMawr nah she was hatun
I wonder what happened to Sultan Murad's children: (Kaya,,Selim and Sulaiman). What happened to them in real history. Anyone know please ? 🙏
In real history, sultan murad's sons also dying young, he only had one daughter left.
@@tioriapasaribu1920 Thankyou 🙏
While the real Kaya's mom didn't poison herself (and her siblings) leaving her daughter behind, her fate wasn't exactly happy either.
She was first married in her early teens (11-13 y.o.) to some older pasha, but that didn't last. She was then married at least once (but, could be twice) and reportedly didn't like her last husband at first, going as far as taking a dagger to his throat on their wedding night.
Eventually, things got better between them and she got pregnant, giving birth to a healthy baby girl. Unfortunately, her placenta got stuck, pushing onto her heart, and despite healers' and midwives' best efforts, they had been unable to remove it. For three days and three nights, Sultana Kaya suffered till she finally passed away.
She was only 26 years old, a year younger than her father when he died; never getting the chance to know her only child.
His sons all died in real life, he only had three daughters left when he died one of them was Kaya who died 1659 & one was rukiye sultana who died 1716. The last daughter was hanzade who lived to 1680, she never died as a child as the show depicts. Unfortunately a lot of Murad children died young
Kosem Sultan sent her regards to Farya & Silahtar Mustafa 🤣😂
I’d like to think that she took Silahatar to punish Atyke. He was the only thing she wanted and he was rightfully Gervehan’s.
Shilahtar is trying to get Ahmed riled up about Kossem…
Greed of power made kosem inhuman. A mother destroyed her son's life.
Fariye was not much political too. So she was not a threat to kosem
Murad destroyed his life because of his obsession with alcohol.
When you lose 25 children then what should you do
@@abdullahraheem4574 who lost 25 children?
@@domi1992ish I thought it was Selim who was alcoholic.
I think Murad banned alcohol
Sultan murad lost 25 children
The monster that is called Kosem at its finest..
Turcja to piękny kraj❤❤❤
I hate to say it but Murad and Kösem are why the children went out with Ayse. That was not Farya’s fault. Ayse killed her children? And then it was Kösem who let Ayse see them ALONE the night before she was to be exiled for all of the horrible things she did.
Farya is far from guilty in this
Agree, even though Farya should never have told Ayse about the death warrant. Ultimately Ayse alone is guiilty as she murdered her own children to hurt Murad & Farya. Had Murad banished Ayse to the old palace after her first betrayal then Ayse couldnt have done it. Likewise, Ayse couldn't have done it if Kosem had not inexplicably ordered that Ayse could see her children again. Silahatar had an opportunity to persuade Ayse she wasn't going to be executed and he could have stopped her from seeing her children but he failed. Silahatar then told Lalezar Kalfa to make sure she did not leave Ayse alone with the children but she failed.
Silahatar is also responsible. Check out his epic fail to stop Ayse seeing her children even though he knows Ayse had found out about the death sentence and he can see there is a massive risk and he was in charge of security. Would never have happened if Balibey, Zulkifar or Iskender had been in charge of security instead of Silahatar.
@@CadwallonMawrno it’s not salhitar fault
@@sarahsan5946 Sorry but I beg to differ on that point. I am not saying Silahatar is the only person at fault, however he is partly to the blame for what happened. It was his job to protect the sultan and his family. So it was his job to stop it particularly as he could see there was a big risk that something really bad might be about to happen. But he does almost nothing. Then he hides his incompetence from both Kosem and Murad. At a minimum he should have at least warned Murad or Kosem.
@@CadwallonMawr no it’s not his fault
Well done valide sultan. She fixed some of murads mistakes
Yes, for example, sending Osman to the death, later Kasim, Murad and Ibrahim was really the things to be proud of, especially for a mother
@@MrA1R1S lol no she tried to save them all
@@ΔημΣΚ by killing them all? Valide Handan Sultan, Safiye Sultan, Valide Halime Sultan, Dilruba Sultan, Fahriye Sultan, Sultan Osman, Şehzade Mehmet, Sultan Murad, Şehzade Kasim, Sultan Ibrahim -everyone died because of Kösem.
@@MrA1R1S lol no only dilruba and halime, and they caused it
@@MrA1R1S what ? First of all handan,safiye,halime and her daughter were bad to Kosem. Osman made a massive mistake but still she cared for him and tried to save him ,remember? Mehmet was the fault of Osman because he didn't believe his brother and his mother for the fake news that Mehmet recieved . Murad made many wrong turns against his mother for no reason ,he tought he is the only ruler ,when in fact his mother did more things and taught him all he knew she protected him from everything ,but when he grew up he became too arogant . Kasim well Murad ,and for Ibrahim you know he was mad ,very mad . Must be so easy to judge her ,but she wasn't just an ordinarry women ,she was someone who carried the responsibilty of the state ,she had to take these decisions or everything would have collapsed !
The admirable kosem sultan❤
Sorry, nope. Kosem got played. This was all part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. Next on their hit list will be the baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa.
Its really so hard 💔💔 . This is a real story !!! . Kosem sultan she arent should to do this
😂😂 yes both person i hate died i love this scenes so much until watch it rewind for 12 times now i feel so fresh see them died
I was glad to see them both gone too! 15:05
R u sick people?🙄
That's a worry. Hope you're okay after it.
the only show I watched similar to this is The Tudors
The fact this was going on during the Tudor era...yup
I do not quite understand the Christian references in the scripts, such as Kosem saying “it is your cross to bear”. Could someone explain??
It is your ‘burden’. Christ was made to carry his own cross - the mode of his death - up the hill to Golgotha.
All this cos the actors fell in love and wanted to leave?
What actors fell in love??
@@random_thoughts5343 the two dead characters' actors
This is my fav. Episode bcoz what fariya did to aysa was absolutely wrong
I love Kossem
no one can open the door. he kicks it open😂😂😂😂😂😂
Don't forget he is one of only 2 people in the empire who was strong enough to set up the Persian bow
is this the same Halil Pasha who was once supposed to marry Dilurba?
Yes, he is.
yes it is the same guy. Miraculously he lived that long.
@@domi1992ish like Haci Agha lol
@@drfhgs428 And I bet that he was glad that he didn't marry Dilruba when he saw that she turned out to be a monster.
If they brought Halil Pasha and Haci Agha back, then they should have bought Bubul Agha and Humasha Sultan back as well.
Why kosem killed fariya ?
Fariya is good soul and she loves Murad so much
Fariya told Ayse she was to be killed and not exiled as she was told.
15:43 kuzeyy??
Poor Farya. She didn't deserve to be killed.
Beren Saat was best, wasn't she?
Nie
God i remember when i saw farya dead i cried like someone i know cried. I love farya and murad
I liked Farya as well.
Me too🤣
what’s with the cinderella hat
What did Kosem gain by killing Silahtar and Farya? Nothing, she only made his son hostile towards her!
Mother Turhan and Koprullu will fix that when Kosem try to do the same to little Mehmed IV!
Kösem killed them because they were threat that Murad will kill them because of his own children.
@@domi1992ish Lol, she killed them for the same reason Ibrahim killed Leo and Iskender Celebi, to boost her ego!
They were dangerus for the sultan and the otteman empier in their owne diffrent ways so Kosem was not only one in danger,Altike was a massive fool realy regarding him
Wait how did she killed them ?? I thought farya died by suicide
@@jasper_____595 She was killed but Kosem made it look like she killed herself
This is the most important act of hers, after which I hated her. I don’t understand why Marad should be tormented so much by killing the people closest to him. she is not a mother, she is a monster.
Yes, agree with you. It doesn't make much sense and it's a complete shift in Kosem's character. Although I think the actors playing Silahatar & Farya may have left suddenly which forced the writers to come up with endings for their characters on short notice.
She turned into Safiye, or even worse.
@@weaviejeebies more worst. I guess, the worst in ottoman history. How can a mother kill her own children? And after all of these, she wanted to kill her grandchild also. She deserved what she got from Turhan sultan.
Justice for ayse and gevharehn
Sorry, not really following what justice Ayse might be entitled to? Unless perhaps its justice for trying to get Farya murdered on the way to Uskadr when nothing had even happened yet between her & Murad & when Farya still just wanted to go home? Or perhaps its justice for arranging the brutal attack on Farya that killed her unborn baby & left her unable to have more children? Or perhaps its justice for stealing Kosem's seal & giving it to Ghulbahar which caused the great fire of Istanbul & killed thousands of innocent people? Or perhaps its justice for trying to poison Ghulbahar which caused Ghulbahar to confess everything & expose Ayse? Or perhaps it's justice for Ayse murdering her own children in cold blood just to hurt sultan Murad because she can't face the consequence of her own heinous crimes? Geverhan would be mortified at Silahatar being brutally murdered like this because she loved him.
I missed Anastasia 😢
Kosem was a witch as per this series,she was the worst mother on this planet who killed her own son whatever maybe the reason a MOTHER can’t do it ever
Very poor story telling. Having Farya & Silahtar die that way at that moment, is disrespectful to the characters, the actors, the viewers who liked them & were invested in their story arcs. Plus it makes no sense. This also risks making Kosem & Kermankes look like silly pantomime villains. While they had never blanched at killing before, Kosem & Kermankes had never been cowardly murderers or traitors. While I sort of get why they killed Silahtar, Farya hadn't done anywhere near enough to warrant this. She wasn't trying to turn Murad against Kosem. Farya even saved Kosem’s life by exposing Sanavber as a spy. Farya had also saved Murad and Atike's lives. Kosem also hurts Atike here by killing her husband & her best friend. Kosem also deprives her 2 newborn grandsons of their loving mother. It also paints Murad in a bad light as he fails to get justice for his wife or best friend. Murad also failed his pledge to protect Farya. After everything Murad and Farya had been through together, they deserved at least some happiness for a while to bring up their 2 baby sons; & Farya deserved a much better ending. Despite her faults & mistakes, Farya is very brave, loyal, honest, good hearted & a good fighter so she deserved a more heroic death. Likewise, Silahatar was a great warrior and a loyal soldier & friend to the Sultan so he too deserved a heroic ending. Plus there are no moving farewell scenes, very little mourning, no funeral, and no grave site visit, which disrespects everything that had gone before. Epic miss from the writers. These deaths are such poor story telling, the most comparable example I can think of is the "finger poke of doom" from professional wrestling, which helped cause WCW to lose the Monday night wars against the WWF.
Farya is a made up character anyway.
Sorry that's not completely accurate. Murad had a 2nd Haseki late in his reign whose identify is disputed; (likely Semsisah Sultan - a Christian Princess from Georgia whom Murad married0. Farya is based on her. And the show is historical fiction not a docudrama. Probably over 50% of what happens isn't historical. @@icechoc
You have made an excellent recap of how this miniseries went off the rails. I totally lost interest after the murders of these two, especially after the reconciliation of Murad and Farya. Whether or not jealous Kosem had Farya scrubbed from the records is a long, boring debate, though historians tie her to a princess he did marry, who did exist in the harem, whose name I have forgotten. I can't imagine that Kosem is what I would call comfortable in the next life for murdering the majority of her children and their closest loved ones for her own power. Elections are a much more sane way of governing. I think Ahmed would be ashamed of her when meeting her again in the next life, since she did not protect their children like he asked of her before he died, but murdered most of them.
Very kind of you. Thank you.Yes Ahmed would be appalled by what Kosem has become. If you haven't seen them yet, I encourage you to watch the scenes late in the season where Kosem visits uncle Mustafa in his chamber and where Anastasia appears to visit Kosem. Those scenes call out Kosem's lack of self awareness, cruelty and hypocrisy brilliantly. Ibrahim's reign is refreshing, different and well done. And I enjoy watching Turhan Sultan and Madame send Kosem their regards. @@suesmith8372
The comment is about the quality of the story telling in a fictitious drama not about the historicity of one of the characters. If I wanted to watch something historically accurate I'd watch a documentary. BTW - Murad iv had a 2nd Haseki (Ayse being the first) whose identify is disputed. The show based Farya on one of the people who may have been the 2nd Haseki - Semsisah Sultan. As the show is only historical fiction, probably more than half of it is made up @@icechoc
Murad oock her brothers and for that kosem killed farya and murads trusted man ? Am i 😊right ? Murad is all alone now
Yep, this was all part of Gulbahar & Sinan's devious master plan. The next dominoes to fallwill be Murad's baby princes, then Kasim & Ibrahim, then Murad himself and that will leave Kosem all alone with Turhan Sultan, Korpulu Agha & Melike Kalfa
Don't you like they always say...I did not do this.....well, no "they" did not.......they ordered it done and to be carried out.
I love kosem but when she killed fraya I hate her 😤
Yep, I think Kosem and the writers "jumped the shark" a bit there.
I think the more honest translation maybe “:as GOD wills ? “ if I’m not being presumptuous not a scholar.
Pembe anne 😂
Kim?
All fools are fighting each other.
The payment of betrayal😅
Сазлужили...фаря.и.силахтр.
Kosmen turned evil,she deserved her end
Чем Фарья мешала Кесем или Силахтар?она что хотела убрать близких людей своего сына Мурада???
Монстр Кёсем ,бессердечная.ради власти ,родного сына убила
ЖІНКА МАХІФІРУЗЕ ФАРІЯ КЕСЕМ СУЛТАН
Farya deserved it. She even deserves worse
I hated Farya.
Was there any particular reason why you hated Farya?
Her whole demeanor was annoying.
Murad loved her and wanted her there. She was his equal, a princess, and a free woman. He truly admired her. Jealous mere concubines slaves for breeding heirs cannot compare.
Kosem is so cruel
A lot of the characters in the 2 Magnificent Century tv series were cruel.
Murad is the only one who kosem can't defeat.
WRONG!
@@Maria-co9egshe could never defeat Murad he stayed still and died with dignity
@@iconicsolos1234 he most certainly did not die with dignity though. Even to this day, his death and cause are questionable
Kosem was the evil one
easy to judge ,but she was responsible for the people of the empire ,her duty was to the people .
@@ДжесикаИванова-б8ф Actually, once Kosem's regency ended she was only responsible for the harem, for charitable work & for protecting Sultan Ahmed's sons since Ahmed entrusted them to her as he was dying. Murad as the Sultan was responsible for the empire & the people of the empire. One of Murad's mistakes was not letting Kosem manage the harem. If he had let Kosem manage the harem, it would have been better for everyone since Kosem would not have let Ghulbahar return to the palace and she would not have let Silahatar marry Atike.
I'M really glad that Farya is gone she's such a bad influence to Murad since d 1st time...and FARYA never existed anyway...that character was just purely fiction added to add drama to d story...
They act just like mafia bosses
Lkn kosem saingine linaboa
I hate farya and finally he died
Kosem killed all her sons?
Murad died because of Alcohol. Kasim was killed by Murad. Ibrahim was only one, who was killed by orders of Kösem.
@@domi1992ishMehmet was killed by osman, osman was killed by jannisaries, Murad was either poisoned by his own mother or he died due to other diseases,kasim was killed by Murad, Ibrahim was brutally killed by his own mother, bayezid was executed by Murad
Because he drowned 200 women from the harem without cause
Murad would never have executed Kasim if Kosem had not been intending to enthrone him and if she had not murdered Farya & Silahatar. Kosem killed Murad by getting the chief physician not to give Murad the correct medicine. And Mehmed may not have been murdered if Kosem had not changed the laws to enthrone prince Mustpaha before orince Osman.@@domi1992ish
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poor farya 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Jeto flej me batishahin qen
I hate this Kosem so much 💀
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ThEy looked americans
Theyre turks,turkey is in the middle east and europe 🙏
И роль и голос актрисы неприятная .
كوسم سوت كذا عشان الخبيثه وزت مراد يحجز اخوانه؟ اذا مذا القصه تستاهل فاريا
Вообще не жалко
This series is so depressing wow always murder
2:00 I WANT Kosem's tiara and gown!