@@TheNordicVoyager Iron Eagle one was: Ehhh. Its kinda like Karate Kid in the Sky but still fun. Iron Eagle 2 was: Its dumb. Iron Eagle 3 was: Its too dumb. Iron Eagle 4 was: I never saw it but i have a bad feeling about it.
Dirty secret: This is the movie that convinced 10 year old me to become a pilot. Was gaga about the Apache, started thinking about getting US citizenship. Fell in love with the Viper a few years later and started thinking Air Force. Sadly air force didn't pan out, and I'm freezing my ass off in northern Canada, but at least I'm flying. :D
All the tarmac scenes were filmed at Ft. Hood using my Dads' Apaches and buildings when he had command of, what was then, The Apache Training Brigade. I was there during most of the filming and remember first meeting Nick Cage and as my Dad shook his hand he told him to "go get a haircut", still one of the funniest things he ever did. All the actors were very cool and had some great stories to tell about the other movies they had done.
I served with one of the pilots that flew in this movie. I was his crewchief on the AH-1F Cobra before he transition over to the AH-64. I met him at the food court at Eustis, while I was going thru my advancement training, and mentioned to him that the movie wasn't that great. He said, " but it was sure fun being involved and making it !" "The Bear"
Something I always wondered about is did the Army shitcan the Kiowa intel targeting for the Apache when the Apache got the longbow upgrade cause I didn't see any OH-58's in Afghanistan or Iraq working with the AH-64's with the spotters mast on top of the main rotor
I watched them film this at Ft. Hood. Was an Apache crew chief. The movie was so anticipated and soooo bad. The scenery takes me back. Also Sean Young was very friendly. She wandered into our hanger one day and spent about 15 min asking questions about the helos and such.
Cool that Ms. Young came over to your hangar to ask questions. My husband was at 1/6 CAV flying OH-58C's when they were filming at Hood. I think Tommy Lee Jones still has a ranch out in San Saba County. Thank you for your service, None Ya!
@@Christopher-li6gg yeah, he would cut down Stoller's MD-500 like a cheese grater. Erik Stoller won't stand a chance against Stringfellow, let alone he may have bagged down a Cobra, a Blackhawk, and several more DEA units, but we'll see if he'll hold on his own in a fight against the Airwolf.
German movie titles are often so different that you don't know what movie someone from the US or UK is talking about until you get to see some scenes directly that you'll instantly remember then :D
Fun fact: fort Mitchell was named after Pete Mitchell, a naval aviator who is now a US navy Captain who's father was a naval Avaitor during the Vietnam war
I was an extra in this flick (along with the rest of U of Arizona Army ROTC) we watched in awe as the McDonnel test pilots took the Apache through its paces. And Shawn Young was nice enough to sit down with us for lunch. Good times!
The great thing about Army CWO's is there always up for a poker game, The bad thing is if you clean them out they might not let you on their precious whirly birds lol.
ya know, its no flight of the intruder, but looks like it was fun to make. Apaches were "new" back then....saw it perform at an airshow; to go from nearly 90 degrees straight up to hover 200ish feet up in about 3 seconds was a sight to behold.
Referring to a tank as a turtle is a reference to the Navajo Code Talkers during WWII. Even more fun is that Nicholas Cage featured in the movie Windtalkers about the same subject.
@@TacComControl I wonder how many years it will be until we make the same mistake with some other country, telling ourselves the same lies and propping up corrupt incompetent governments.
Little then instructs her to remove one of the still-functioning Stinger missiles from his AH-64 Apache and attach a grip stock unit to it so it can be shoulder-launched: this is readily possible as the air-launched Stinger (AIM-92 or Stinger ATAS) is identical to the ground version, even retaining the sighting unit. This is one of the earliest appearances of an actual FIM-92, as previous launchers seen in film and television were actually the discontinued FIM-43 Redeye. It is also a rare case of a Stinger in film appearing with a real grip stock unit, rather than a fabricated one fitted to a spent launch tube.
That's all well and good, but he probably wouldn't have needed to tell her to do any of that had he just fired the thing at the bad guy while he was still in the air like it was originally intended... :P
@13mike27 So in real life it could simply be dismounted and immediately used as a standalone MANPADS? How does its fire control interface with the helicopter? Data cable? When firing ATAS mode from the helicopter gunner's seat, would the same 45-second time limit apply (due to the BCU) or is it receiving power from the aircraft (cable) and basically unlimited time to track and fire?
@@gunsmithgeoff8218 ancient response, but the handle data bus plugs into the same port on the ATAS launcher for vehicles, the only difference is that the vehicle launcher has two larger tanks which provide 8 45 second launch windows. You can take a stinger tube from a ATAS and use it as a MANPAD, in a humvee stinger launcher or the emplaced mount without any modifications, its fully plug and play. Only change between the launchers is that the hand held setup just takes the individual power + cooling canisters.
@Lolman345 _ I appreciate your reply. So you're saying the onboard tanks hold more argon, but they still only transfer enough coolant to the seeker for a 45-second window per "arming"? So can the gunner re-arm and get another 45-second window immediately afterwards, if he wants (like with no interruption in seeker functionality)? How does he do that, exactly? Do you know how many BCUs an Apache of that era would've carried for dismounted (handheld) use? Maybe just the one stowed on the MANPADS handle assembly?
I love seeing Dale Dye in anything. The man is a legend in his own lifetime. A Vietnam vet, retired as a Marine Corp Captain and has appeared in movies or been a technical advisor on films and tv shows since 1986. In Wings of the Apache he stars as Colonel McNeil but you can usually see him as a captain or colonel in most things that want to add some real military feel to their characters. I suppose one of his most recognised roles was as Colonel Robert Sink in Band of Brothers and he put the actors through boot camp before production of that series.
I agree with Mover's final thoughts. If you like military-themed aerial action & cheesy one liners, then it's a decent film to sit through. it's a film for the fans basically. And also he makes a great point, the aerial photography is first rate. You just don't see that quality anymore.
This movie was filmed partially in Arizona and some of my fellow Army Guard members are extras in the movie. Those Cobras and the Blackhawks in the beginning of the movie were AZ Army Guard.
37:40 " I'm gunna hit the brakes, he's gunna fly right by!". I can almost ALWAYS predict when you're going to say that, but it still get's me EVERY TIME. That and " You're gunna WHAT?!" Love it
For anyone wanting a couple of books written by an apache pilot "Hellfire" written under the name "Ed Macy" and "Apache" are excellent. It's in cockpit stuff from training to front line missions. British pilot with some great stories.
Read this book before and it was really awesome. At the start of the book, Ed used rockets to attack a group of Taliban hiding in some bush and he mentioned the number of projectiles in each rocket and the number of rockets fire. The result was gruesome when ground troops did a BDA. Also the request for support for a US F-15 when they needed heavier munition which their Hellfires were not enough. The last part about the rescue of Royal Marine at Jugroom Fort was nail biting when the pilot landed behind enemy lines with some Marines strapped on the stub wings to retrieve the body of the fallen Marine.
Thank you for a hilarious video, I'm impressed that you recognized the SAAB J35 Draken! :) The J35 had one or two (depending on version) 30 mm Aden cannons, so it didn't have to rely on creating turbulence to down a helicopter. :)
My favorite Apache story was one was hovering outside of work and figured something was going on at the National Guard base down the road. I got it's attention and got it to turn the gun on the print shop I worked at. It lasted long enough for one to tell the other, "That's stupid." What shook me was I never realized how fast the gun can be turned on and trained. I loved this review!
I had the opportunities to commute through Ft. Rucker. It is slick when a 64 pops up and targets you with its gun. Weirder than that was 9/12 and the entire training cadre was grounded. I would have felt a hell of a lot safer with them whizzing around looking badass.
It was a Saab 35 Draaken, a "multi role" fighter that really was not meant for air-to-air. But, in my opinion, one of the sweetest looking airframes ever.
Well, the name is "Draken" (with one a) and air-to-air was in fact its main design goal, albeit its intended opponents were fast, high-flying bombers, not other fighters. Apart from that, you're right. 😉
They stopped screaming it and now have it as their ringtone. The Apache E has it built into the fire control system so every time the trigger is pulled, that phrase is uttered by an outside speaker in order to strike fear into the enemy. Meanwhile the speaker is broadcasting the Airwolf theme song on a loop.
Wow long time- I am the medic (front) carrying TLJ to the medivac chopper. I was actually attached (as a medic) to the 1/285 located outside Tucson, AZ, spent my career as a flight medic (91B1F). Also much of that scene is filmed on a ranch owned by one of our pilots. The crashed AH-64 was a salvage from a tail rotor accident from another unit (Texas I think) My unit was across from the WAATS (western army aviation training) and yes we could ask to fly the simulator (lunch hour only) always a wait. I crashed- always.
32:26 A Swedish Saab J35 Draken yes. I remember as a kid crawling through the J35 fighter with the engine out. My dad grabbed me at the intakes. I got to sit in it's cockpit too. It was crazy. I still remember the jealous classmates ar school when i told them about it.
As a former Stinger guy the back blast would not have killed hum. The Stinger has a small explosive charge that ejects the missile out of the tube and then the missile rocket motor ignites when the missile is a safe distance away from the gunner.
"Half ass, full blast. Let's do this boss." " Kill 'em with wing turbulence." "Riceman has nothing on Iceman." Definitely hit the brakes and let him fly by..."you don't have keys?" Casmo was so cool and low key. This was fun. Thanks Mover.😊 👍🙃
The best thing about the comment at 29:44 (and the earlier mention of a guy with a Stinger) is that's what actually wins the day against the fast movers: One guy ending up on the ground and shooting from the shoulder.
@@alexshmalex He didn't really get his start until 'Platoon' which came out the same year as 'Top Gun'. If that had been made a few years later, I guarantee he would have been in it 😄
Wow Mover - that new intro for M.R.M is sensational. Those production values keep getting better and better. Thanks for all your efforts. This had to be the BEST that you have done, so good. Cheers mate.
Back in 2005 my battallion HQ was moved to an old flight sim building on the flight line at Hood, and those simulators had what looked like an exact replica of the Apache crew compartment. I remember they were mounted up in the air on long hydraulic cylinders, and you had to use a catwalk to reach the cockpit. The computer room that drove it all ran off those large magnetic tape reels, so my thinking is that it was original Apache program equipment, from when the Army was first transitioning units in the 80s. Contractors tore it all out not long after we moved in.
From the Aireal footage ist is awesome. But there arent really any other Helicopter focused movies out there i can think off. Its still better than Iron Eagle 3 or 4 xD
I was at Ft. Hood while this was being filmed. We used to drive up and down the road that parallel the flight line. In the original cut you could see a glimpse of my blue 1986 Mustang. Good times!
I loooved this movie when it released. I even started talking to recruiters for the warrant officer flight training program, but never pulled the trigger :P Something I never noticed before: The sound effect when the Scorpion flies by is the same as when KITT drives by, in Knight Rider.
When I was a kid, 'Firebirds' was right up there with 'Iron Eagle'. It wasn't as good as 'Top Gun' or 'The Final Countdown', but had lots of good action, cool flying, and pretty good cinematography. Every blue-moon, I'll watch 'Firebirds' again. I roll my eyes at certain scenes, but still marvel at the flying, and some of the pyrotechnics. I'm never sorry I watched it, though.
In the stinger launch scene the stinger motor lobs itself about 9 meters before the flight motor kicks in to protect the operator from backslash. She was attempting to convert the stinger from weapon round to ready round. However you wouldn't put the BCU in the gripstock assembly until ready to launch back in the 80s I was 16s in the Army which is stinger crewmember
I have always loved this movie because I have always loved the Apache. One of my biggest regrets while i was in the army (2000-2010) was not trying to become a warrant officer and becoming a helicopter pilot.
I loved the movie when it came out in the movies, I was a kid back then. I served 9 years in the army, noticed the unrealism now but I think it was still a good recruiting movie like Top Gun.
Such a cool and beautifull jet.. it looks so futuristic.. someone could do one of theese crappy movies with Drakens as some kind of 5th gen fighter and people would totally buy it
@@killian9314 yes its a top gun reference Cougar was the pilot that has a nervous breakdown in the first 10 min of the movie Merlin was his RIO (now known as WSO) who also at the end of the movie sits backseat to Maverick
Thank you for this! I've always liked this movie and it was definitely a good episode of Mover Ruins Movies. It was cool to hear the views of a real Apache pilot.
When I was stationed in Bosnia during IFOR. We would call in dust offs to clear crowds and the responding helo was always an Apache. It scared everybody to run and disperse. She is an amazing bird. I knew one of the CW5’s that ran the entire unit. He was a cool person to talk shop with! I always wanted to fly them. I went a different path though. I did learn rotary, yet my point is follow your dreams and have no regrets! There is a plan believe in that plan!
This movie came from the TV and our family managed to catch and record it to VHS cassette. I used to watch this movie so many times as a kid because all the explosions and fight scenes were so cool. Now that I watched this review I didn't realize they used Drakens. Also I'd like to use those "guided rockets" :D I will prolly watch this movie again and get the Apache for DCS. This is such a nostalgic movie. Thanks for reviewing it!
When working at Martin Marietta, my coworkers and I referred to this movie as Fire Ants. DoD also said Hellfire missiles could not be used in the movie. LOL
I remember being part of the SIMNET testing at Ft Knox waaay back in the day. During the beta testing we let the Apache guys pop in the M1 sim and blow stuff up and we got to fly the apache sim. Back then the Apache sim was just a blacked out room with a chair and console in the middle and a bunch of TVs in front of you. The flightsim graphics in this movie look exactly like the old SIMNET graphics.......
Love your "Mover Ruins Movies" series, so keep up the good work. The way the "panty training" is supposed to work instead of directly using the simulator is by restricting the dominant eye. It's a very common rehabilitation technique for limbs after a stroke or other type of neurological injury (I've never seen it used for eyesight though), but the way it is supposed to work is this: When one of your arms is affected, you instinctively begin using the unaffected arm more and more, which makes rehabilitating the affected arm harder, so one way to rehab it, is by restricting the good arm (like with the use of a sling), to force you to only use your bad arm to help it regain some function. Here the concept is basically the same. In the sim he could still use both of his eyes, so his dominant eye would still well, dominate, making it harder for him to process the information from the other eye. With the panty and periscope he was forced to only rely on his non-dominant eye by taking away his dominant eye. In theory it should help, although he wouldn't notice any benefits after a single training session.
This is so awesome! Been waiting and searching for Apache pilot reactions to these scenes/movies! I'd really love to know his reaction to the Apache NY chase scene from Godzilla (1998) starring Mathew Broderick! Used to watch that movie all the time growing up, maybe as much as Top Gun! Thanks for another awesome video Mr. Lemoine!
23:20 In Germany, I was AVIM maintenance and our platoon leader was W-2 Cobra pilot, on his 2nd wife, 15 years younger than him, and his haircut & mustache was never to regs. He was cool, though. 24:50 I never saw base housing that nice in my 4 years in and 4 bases. 26:30 You youngsters have never seen an old computer tape drive from the ‘60s? Sheesh!
When they first show the 58-D on the flight line, it only has a two-bladed tail rotor. The 58-Ds I worked on during Operation Desert Shield/Storm had four-bladed tail rotors. And the command pilot always sat in the left seat, co-pilot in the right.
love this movie and really enjoyed you guys commentary on it. First watched it as a kid just like you and absolutely loved it and now again many years later still a really enjoyable watch. Always love the clarifications you give on how these things work. Good job. Thanks
Great stuff! My grandfather took me at 4 y/o to see my first movie, Firebirds! Loved the Blues/Tbirds too much to not think about tac jets tho. Thanks guys, yall seemed to enjoy going back too. Damn, 40 is sneaky!
I was 18 when this came out. My dream was to fly the Apache well before that, but having diabetes is a no go. Can't wait for DCS one to come out, I will live in my VR AH-64D lol.
Was skeptical about his call name until the very end when Casmo says, with perfect facial expressions for the comment, "Whew, what a journey!! lol Good vid, boys.
I flew “A” models from 1988 to 2005. We had the CMS (Combat Mission Simulator) best video game back then. I never flew the “D” or the Longbow Crew Trainer. When Firebirds came out, I told people I flew Blackhawks.
@@kennyraiden9346 I guess shooting down bad guys with an onboard heat-seeking missile doesn't have the same dramatic effect as the rocket pods. Then again, if they wanted to be practical, they probably would've scrambled some F-16 and swatted that little bird out of the sky instead of sending a bunch of Apaches.
@@run2u520 Thank you for a great explanation and I liked it! Probably the filmmakers wanted the scenes with firing Stingers so that was how they put in a script. I didn't know the Stingers can be dismantled and operated manually. To shoot down the aerial hostile from the ground brings out more excitement and sure it did. As you mentioned, sending airstrikes to knock down the potential threats is more practical and probably that's how the US forces conduct the operations. When it comes to that, the Army's air cavalry's call to eliminate the ground hostile such as artilleries, SAM sites, and armed vehicles embedded with the surface to air arsenals prior to the fighters/bombers to move in. That might have been so climatic though, the F16s might have stolen the stage over the Apaches if they had done it. Instead, I really loved the sequences of the Apache and the Little Bird are going air to air. I presume the filmmakers must have done so much research and discussion for writing the script to narrow them down to that footage and definitely that was a job well done. It is kind of a good flick but somehow this movie is a bit underrated, I don't know why. Anyway thanks to Mover for choosing this movie, I guess it kind of shined a light on.
I think the movie's weakness can be traced to Tommy Lee Jones's character never rapidly listimg things he wants and what he wants them to do . He could have said "I want every Chickasaw, Pave Hawk , Black Hawk, and Sea Hawk from here to Fort Mitchell fueled , hovering , and discoverin' where in the 8 known and charted levels of magestic fuckery my target is ." Perhaps he could have done one of his patented dressing downs of a sassy subordinate "now listen up , there is no room for your Roy Scheideresque Blue Thunder era hot doggin' in my elite rotary wing squadron , you get out there and employ proper helicoptering techniques or so help me God you'll be flying an R22 called "Lady Zip Tie" outta' Myrtle Beach showing retired plumbers from New Jersey the mystical realm so few have seen just beyond 130 feet above their time share for the low low price of $19.00 "
“This is not our Top Gun, this is our Iron Eagle 3”
That was probably one of the harshest insults to a movie i ever heard.
and it was kind.......
C'mon why the hatred for Iron Eagle? A kid dogfighting Inspector Poirot with Queen soundtrack cranked up to 11! What more could you ask for? LMAO!
@@TheNordicVoyager It'd be nice if they repeat that for the rest of the Iron Eagle sequels but...
@@TheNordicVoyager
Iron Eagle one was: Ehhh. Its kinda like Karate Kid in the Sky but still fun.
Iron Eagle 2 was: Its dumb.
Iron Eagle 3 was: Its too dumb.
Iron Eagle 4 was: I never saw it but i have a bad feeling about it.
I would say more like Iron Eagle 2.
Dirty secret: This is the movie that convinced 10 year old me to become a pilot. Was gaga about the Apache, started thinking about getting US citizenship. Fell in love with the Viper a few years later and started thinking Air Force. Sadly air force didn't pan out, and I'm freezing my ass off in northern Canada, but at least I'm flying. :D
@@wakeuppeople7327
Red shirt idiot got the triangle on his shirt
What do you fly now? Flying anything is amazing
@@ugs192 Flying a Dash 7 currently. Basically a museum piece with wings
@@DarkAngelGuyver
Oh, the Dash 7's a _wonderful_ bird, I love De Havilland
@@DarkAngelGuyverFour engine turbo prop time baby!
Uncle did RCAF time above the Pine Line- Fam in Peterborough
Next: Real Astronaut reacts to Space Cowboys.
That would be good one, or the movie Gravity.
Or perhaps, hear me out here, a real cowboy! reacts to space cowboys.
Jesus, that’d be fucking hilarious and about six hours long.
@@Russellsperry I want to know if they reduce their O2 and talk to people in China on the ISS?!
We've never been in space. Astronauts are just Hollywood actors.
All the tarmac scenes were filmed at Ft. Hood using my Dads' Apaches and buildings when he had command of, what was then, The Apache Training Brigade. I was there during most of the filming and remember first meeting Nick Cage and as my Dad shook his hand he told him to "go get a haircut", still one of the funniest things he ever did. All the actors were very cool and had some great stories to tell about the other movies they had done.
I served with one of the pilots that flew in this movie. I was his crewchief on the AH-1F Cobra before he transition over to the AH-64. I met him at the food court at Eustis, while I was going thru my advancement training, and mentioned to him that the movie wasn't that great. He said, " but it was sure fun being involved and making it !" "The Bear"
What time frame was that? I was at Eustis in ‘89 going through the 67U (Chinook) school for AIT
i was at Eustis in 95 and "Enterprise" was still there. im curious if it ever returned to flight status.
@@bigdaddy7119 I was at Eustis in '89 going through 68F (Electrician) school for AIT
Something I always wondered about is did the Army shitcan the Kiowa intel targeting for the Apache when the Apache got the longbow upgrade cause I didn't see any OH-58's in Afghanistan or Iraq working with the AH-64's with the spotters mast on top of the main rotor
"Thats about the most warrant officer thing ive seen in this movie." Awesome. Lol, fire for effect. I love Firebirds.
I watched them film this at Ft. Hood. Was an Apache crew chief. The movie was so anticipated and soooo bad. The scenery takes me back. Also Sean Young was very friendly. She wandered into our hanger one day and spent about 15 min asking questions about the helos and such.
Cool that Ms. Young came over to your hangar to ask questions. My husband was at 1/6 CAV flying OH-58C's when they were filming at Hood. I think Tommy Lee Jones still has a ranch out in San Saba County. Thank you for your service, None Ya!
I thought it was a great movie. I've seen it multiple times, it never gets old.
All of that trouble would've been avoided if they sent the Airwolf.
The theme song alone would have saved the day.
Stringfellow woulda tore that azz up guick like n a jiffy with The Lady!!
@@Christopher-li6gg yeah, he would cut down Stoller's MD-500 like a cheese grater. Erik Stoller won't stand a chance against Stringfellow, let alone he may have bagged down a Cobra, a Blackhawk, and several more DEA units, but we'll see if he'll hold on his own in a fight against the Airwolf.
they used knight rider in super pursuiit SFX LOL
Airwolf has the same Problem as this Movie. Everyone shoots unguided Rockets as if they were fire and forget weapons xD
Also, if you're doing helo movies, ya gotta do "Blue Thunder". I mean, it's classic.
I mistook it as "Blue Angels" at the first galance.
Oh yeah that is good movie and a great message about governments spying on their own citizens.
And episodes of Air Wolf!
@@joshuasill1141 Airwolf does spy stuff better than it did the aviation. I loved the trimmer button as the boost thing.
@@tristanholland6445 there's nothing wrong with spying if you're as JAFO saw the bombshell blondie doing her thang with your binocular
For those in the UK, this film is called Wings of the Apache.
You legend
German Title:
Airborne- Flügel aus Stahl...
@@SvenMl78 *Air Borne. Such a stupid name
I know it as this as well.
German movie titles are often so different that you don't know what movie someone from the US or UK is talking about until you get to see some scenes directly that you'll instantly remember then :D
Fun fact: fort Mitchell was named after Pete Mitchell, a naval aviator who is now a US navy Captain who's father was a naval Avaitor during the Vietnam war
Does Army ever name their facilities after Navy people?
@@wyskass861 lol it's a joke Pete Mitchell was in top gun
@@TheCartajay That makes more sense
That is Pima Community collage west campus, here in Tucson, AZ
I guess Fort Mitchell was named so after Billy Mitchell, but the Pete "Maverick" Mitchell works.
I was an extra in this flick (along with the rest of U of Arizona Army ROTC) we watched in awe as the McDonnel test pilots took the Apache through its paces. And Shawn Young was nice enough to sit down with us for lunch. Good times!
Sean Young
“I’m pushing you because you beat the shit out of me a couple days ago.”
And I’m dead....😂
I’m a 38 year old CW4 with four kids. I can relate to those early morning runs near the flight line. They feel like hell. Lol
Impressive progression! Very nice sir! I'm 30 now and headed to WOCS, and now I have to wait 2 years after completing flight school to get CW2... Ouch
I never saw. Warrant officer run.😂😂😂😂
The great thing about Army CWO's is there always up for a poker game, The bad thing is if you clean them out they might not let you on their precious whirly birds lol.
I forgot Tommy Lee Jones and Nicholas Cage were in that movie. They probably wish more people would forget that too.
Look up cages list of movies. This one isn’t that bad in comparison lol
@17ll3 x214 that’s amazing lol.
ya know, its no flight of the intruder, but looks like it was fun to make. Apaches were "new" back then....saw it perform at an airshow; to go from nearly 90 degrees straight up to hover 200ish feet up in about 3 seconds was a sight to behold.
@17ll3 x214 Does Cage charge extra for dialog
@@Music-pl8xf The Screen Actors' Guild does.
Referring to a tank as a turtle is a reference to the Navajo Code Talkers during WWII. Even more fun is that Nicholas Cage featured in the movie Windtalkers about the same subject.
Yep. And both his war movies are terrible!
Those Indians
"You need a whole task force for one asshole?" - Best line ever.
I mean, we sent what, 200,000, 300,000 after one asshole in Afghanistan, and it turned out he wasn't even there?
@@TacComControl This was decided because there was sufficient QUANTITY of assholes. Just not the quality of asshole that we initially set out to find.
@@TacComControl tearing apart the taliban was one of the priorities
@@MattKearneyFan1 And we did such a great job of it that now the Taliban runs Afghanistan again, just as much as they did before.
@@TacComControl I wonder how many years it will be until we make the same mistake with some other country, telling ourselves the same lies and propping up corrupt incompetent governments.
Little then instructs her to remove one of the still-functioning Stinger missiles from his AH-64 Apache and attach a grip stock unit to it so it can be shoulder-launched: this is readily possible as the air-launched Stinger (AIM-92 or Stinger ATAS) is identical to the ground version, even retaining the sighting unit. This is one of the earliest appearances of an actual FIM-92, as previous launchers seen in film and television were actually the discontinued FIM-43 Redeye. It is also a rare case of a Stinger in film appearing with a real grip stock unit, rather than a fabricated one fitted to a spent launch tube.
That's all well and good, but he probably wouldn't have needed to tell her to do any of that had he just fired the thing at the bad guy while he was still in the air like it was originally intended... :P
@13mike27 So in real life it could simply be dismounted and immediately used as a standalone MANPADS?
How does its fire control interface with the helicopter? Data cable? When firing ATAS mode from the helicopter gunner's seat, would the same 45-second time limit apply (due to the BCU) or is it receiving power from the aircraft (cable) and basically unlimited time to track and fire?
@@gunsmithgeoff8218 ancient response, but the handle data bus plugs into the same port on the ATAS launcher for vehicles, the only difference is that the vehicle launcher has two larger tanks which provide 8 45 second launch windows. You can take a stinger tube from a ATAS and use it as a MANPAD, in a humvee stinger launcher or the emplaced mount without any modifications, its fully plug and play. Only change between the launchers is that the hand held setup just takes the individual power + cooling canisters.
@Lolman345 _ I appreciate your reply. So you're saying the onboard tanks hold more argon, but they still only transfer enough coolant to the seeker for a 45-second window per "arming"? So can the gunner re-arm and get another 45-second window immediately afterwards, if he wants (like with no interruption in seeker functionality)? How does he do that, exactly? Do you know how many BCUs an Apache of that era would've carried for dismounted (handheld) use? Maybe just the one stowed on the MANPADS handle assembly?
I love seeing Dale Dye in anything. The man is a legend in his own lifetime. A Vietnam vet, retired as a Marine Corp Captain and has appeared in movies or been a technical advisor on films and tv shows since 1986. In Wings of the Apache he stars as Colonel McNeil but you can usually see him as a captain or colonel in most things that want to add some real military feel to their characters. I suppose one of his most recognised roles was as Colonel Robert Sink in Band of Brothers and he put the actors through boot camp before production of that series.
I'm pretty sure playing a 90yr old colonel in Steven Siegals most recent movie is totally more iconic
"That's wha thappens when you turn 40, the Apache out-taxis you..." really got me :D
Me too! They roasted this movie in just the right way. Not mean, but not holding back too much, either =D
I agree with Mover's final thoughts. If you like military-themed aerial action & cheesy one liners, then it's a decent film to sit through. it's a film for the fans basically. And also he makes a great point, the aerial photography is first rate. You just don't see that quality anymore.
"does the army really age you that much" - Mover
"I'm 29 and I feel great!" - Casmo
I'm 40 and nothing works like it used to. I always feel like I'm outta gas. But Tommy Lee Jones looks old enough to be my grandpa in this movie.
"He walked in the kitchen and forgot why he was there."
Yep. Sounds about right.
This movie was filmed partially in Arizona and some of my fellow Army Guard members are extras in the movie. Those Cobras and the Blackhawks in the beginning of the movie were AZ Army Guard.
The "A" model did have full motion simulators, separate boxes for front and back seats...graphics were very old school, but got the job done.
37:40 " I'm gunna hit the brakes, he's gunna fly right by!". I can almost ALWAYS predict when you're going to say that, but it still get's me EVERY TIME. That and " You're gunna WHAT?!" Love it
For anyone wanting a couple of books written by an apache pilot "Hellfire" written under the name "Ed Macy" and "Apache" are excellent. It's in cockpit stuff from training to front line missions. British pilot with some great stories.
Read this book before and it was really awesome. At the start of the book, Ed used rockets to attack a group of Taliban hiding in some bush and he mentioned the number of projectiles in each rocket and the number of rockets fire. The result was gruesome when ground troops did a BDA. Also the request for support for a US F-15 when they needed heavier munition which their Hellfires were not enough.
The last part about the rescue of Royal Marine at Jugroom Fort was nail biting when the pilot landed behind enemy lines with some Marines strapped on the stub wings to retrieve the body of the fallen Marine.
Thank you for a hilarious video, I'm impressed that you recognized the SAAB J35 Draken! :) The J35 had one or two (depending on version) 30 mm Aden cannons, so it didn't have to rely on creating turbulence to down a helicopter. :)
My favorite Apache story was one was hovering outside of work and figured something was going on at the National Guard base down the road. I got it's attention and got it to turn the gun on the print shop I worked at. It lasted long enough for one to tell the other, "That's stupid."
What shook me was I never realized how fast the gun can be turned on and trained. I loved this review!
I had the opportunities to commute through Ft. Rucker. It is slick when a 64 pops up and targets you with its gun. Weirder than that was 9/12 and the entire training cadre was grounded. I would have felt a hell of a lot safer with them whizzing around looking badass.
The gun is supposed to be linked to the helmet and where the gunner is looking, so if they looked at you, the gun would follow.
It was a Saab 35 Draaken, a "multi role" fighter that really was not meant for air-to-air. But, in my opinion, one of the sweetest looking airframes ever.
Well, the name is "Draken" (with one a) and air-to-air was in fact its main design goal, albeit its intended opponents were fast, high-flying bombers, not other fighters. Apart from that, you're right. 😉
I'm 44, have a 6 year old and 4 month old. His pre-geriatric aches and grumblings are accurate.
I can't imagine still being in now at my geriatric age of 45. A ruck march would probably literally kill me now.
FML, I'm gonna be 40 this year and have a 12, 10, 8, 6 and 2 year old.
@@480JD Rocking you are
Lucky you , really ... I’m a 47 yr old boy , envious of Your dilemma lol
bruh my old boss was 64 and he would pour concrete and lay block with us get out of the office😂😂
I wonder if an Apache pilot ever screamed “I am the greatest“ in the simulator after watching Firebirds?
They stopped screaming it and now have it as their ringtone. The Apache E has it built into the fire control system so every time the trigger is pulled, that phrase is uttered by an outside speaker in order to strike fear into the enemy. Meanwhile the speaker is broadcasting the Airwolf theme song on a loop.
@@orlock20 I want to believe.
@@orlock20 / Now that’s the way to do it! That takes psychological warfare to a whole other level.
@@orlock20 I’m going to go ahead and believe this
thats actually the most common pickup line apache pilots use :)
Wow long time- I am the medic (front) carrying TLJ to the medivac chopper. I was actually attached (as a medic) to the 1/285 located outside Tucson, AZ, spent my career as a flight medic (91B1F). Also much of that scene is filmed on a ranch owned by one of our pilots. The crashed AH-64 was a salvage from a tail rotor accident from another unit (Texas I think) My unit was across from the WAATS (western army aviation training) and yes we could ask to fly the simulator (lunch hour only) always a wait. I crashed- always.
It's amazing what I find on RUclips....and that's just in the comment section
32:26 A Swedish Saab J35 Draken yes.
I remember as a kid crawling through the J35 fighter with the engine out. My dad grabbed me at the intakes.
I got to sit in it's cockpit too. It was crazy. I still remember the jealous classmates ar school when i told them about it.
"Three kids? No wonder he looks old!"
Damn, Mover. That stung.
As a former Stinger guy the back blast would not have killed hum. The Stinger has a small explosive charge that ejects the missile out of the tube and then the missile rocket motor ignites when the missile is a safe distance away from the gunner.
"Half ass, full blast. Let's do this boss." " Kill 'em with wing turbulence." "Riceman has nothing on Iceman." Definitely hit the brakes and let him fly by..."you don't have keys?" Casmo was so cool and low key. This was fun. Thanks Mover.😊 👍🙃
The best thing about the comment at 29:44 (and the earlier mention of a guy with a Stinger) is that's what actually wins the day against the fast movers: One guy ending up on the ground and shooting from the shoulder.
Am I missing all the props for Dale Dye? Couldn't be an 80's war movie without Dale.
Dale is awesome, and yes, Dale's involvement was required to be a great '80's - '90's war movie.
So true... I'm surprised he wasn't in Top Gun!
@@alexshmalex He didn't really get his start until 'Platoon' which came out the same year as 'Top Gun'. If that had been made a few years later, I guarantee he would have been in it 😄
@@Caffeine_Club He would have made a great Top Gun instructor or even better, the Air Boss with the coffee!
@@alexshmalex he was in the army so he wouldn’t be fitting but he did great in band of brothers
Wow Mover - that new intro for M.R.M is sensational. Those production values keep getting better and better. Thanks for all your efforts. This had to be the BEST that you have done, so good. Cheers mate.
Anyone noticed those sound at the beginning they also used for Knight Rider in Hot Pursuit Mode ?? .. :D
Back in 2005 my battallion HQ was moved to an old flight sim building on the flight line at Hood, and those simulators had what looked like an exact replica of the Apache crew compartment. I remember they were mounted up in the air on long hydraulic cylinders, and you had to use a catwalk to reach the cockpit. The computer room that drove it all ran off those large magnetic tape reels, so my thinking is that it was original Apache program equipment, from when the Army was first transitioning units in the 80s. Contractors tore it all out not long after we moved in.
If you ask a typical 64 pilot if this is their favorite movie you'll get punched in the face
if you ask anyone if this is their favorite, you deserve to be punched in the face.
From the Aireal footage ist is awesome. But there arent really any other Helicopter focused movies out there i can think off.
Its still better than Iron Eagle 3 or 4 xD
@@SpriGgEx Blackhawk down lol
@@HSKFabrications Its not a Helicopter Movie, the Helicopter is more a Plot Devise here, you don't even get to know any Pilot xD
I think the Kiowa is /was superb , great vids
Oh man, those helicopters sounds like Knight Rider car on Pursuit mode!
That's the exact sound effect. And apparently the baddie flew a toned down version of Airwolf, because that effect was there, too.
I was at Ft. Hood while this was being filmed. We used to drive up and down the road that parallel the flight line. In the original cut you could see a glimpse of my blue 1986 Mustang. Good times!
Did the dealer get you for 25% interest?
@@480JD nope. Bought it back home in St. Louis.
now I understand why the US army find it difficult to recruit at that time
BURN
I loooved this movie when it released. I even started talking to recruiters for the warrant officer flight training program, but never pulled the trigger :P
Something I never noticed before: The sound effect when the Scorpion flies by is the same as when KITT drives by, in Knight Rider.
When I was a kid, 'Firebirds' was right up there with 'Iron Eagle'. It wasn't as good as 'Top Gun' or 'The Final Countdown', but had lots of good action, cool flying, and pretty good cinematography.
Every blue-moon, I'll watch 'Firebirds' again. I roll my eyes at certain scenes, but still marvel at the flying, and some of the pyrotechnics. I'm never sorry I watched it, though.
In the stinger launch scene the stinger motor lobs itself about 9 meters before the flight motor kicks in to protect the operator from backslash. She was attempting to convert the stinger from weapon round to ready round. However you wouldn't put the BCU in the gripstock assembly until ready to launch back in the 80s I was 16s in the Army which is stinger crewmember
I have always loved this movie because I have always loved the Apache. One of my biggest regrets while i was in the army (2000-2010) was not trying to become a warrant officer and becoming a helicopter pilot.
I loved the movie when it came out in the movies, I was a kid back then. I served 9 years in the army, noticed the unrealism now but I think it was still a good recruiting movie like Top Gun.
I also love it when movies come out in the movies.
This is an epic addition to the series, more "MST3K"-esque than the others so far... love it!
Couldn't agree more. Mover, as I mentioned in Airwolf, if you haven't seen it (which I'm gonna guess you have), you must!
Saab 35 Draken as the "fast mover" :)
Such a cool and beautifull jet.. it looks so futuristic.. someone could do one of theese crappy movies with Drakens as some kind of 5th gen fighter and people would totally buy it
I always liked the gripen.
@@PV1230 You mean the newer Gripen or the good old Draken we are talking about?
@@sparrowlt the other one
@@sparrowlt Designed in the 1950s!
I still want them to make "Iron Eagle V - Joint Assult - Firebirds 2."
"Who's up there?"
"Cougar and Merlin, and Mover and Gonky."
"Great, Mover and Gonky."
"With Casmo on the rescue bird."
"... I quit."
who's cougar and merlin? is that a top gun reference
@@killian9314 yes its a top gun reference Cougar was the pilot that has a nervous breakdown in the first 10 min of the movie Merlin was his RIO (now known as WSO) who also at the end of the movie sits backseat to Maverick
Nice, i can see the Moververse is slowly growing. Especially infamous *harrharr*
Thank you for this! I've always liked this movie and it was definitely a good episode of Mover Ruins Movies. It was cool to hear the views of a real Apache pilot.
This actually was the best reaction video I have ever seen yet. It reminded me of Mystery Science Theater 3000
When I was stationed in Bosnia during IFOR. We would call in dust offs to clear crowds and the responding helo was always an Apache. It scared everybody to run and disperse. She is an amazing bird. I knew one of the CW5’s that ran the entire unit. He was a cool person to talk shop with! I always wanted to fly them. I went a different path though. I did learn rotary, yet my point is follow your dreams and have no regrets! There is a plan believe in that plan!
Tommy Lee Jones is the token old guy in every movie he stars in. This is probably the only movie he's ever looked young in
Coal Miner's Daughter
@@garyg7145 as Doolittle Lynn?
@@pontiacGXPfan That's the one.
Rolling Thunder.
Scorpion has .50 cal M3 in this big pod. You can see the same thing on OH-58 D Kiowa.
Tommy Lee Jones: "The Army isn't stressful at all, I'm 25 and I feel great." *visibly old as fuck
*_"There's so many things wrong right now, Mover."_*
SO MANY Aviation flicks suffer that malady.
I always knew that someday this masterpiece would get the respect it deserves.
"He walked into the kitchen and forgot why he was there".
I can totally relate to that. It happens to me a couple times a week.
Need to do Blue Thunder with Cosmo
This movie came from the TV and our family managed to catch and record it to VHS cassette. I used to watch this movie so many times as a kid because all the explosions and fight scenes were so cool. Now that I watched this review I didn't realize they used Drakens. Also I'd like to use those "guided rockets" :D I will prolly watch this movie again and get the Apache for DCS.
This is such a nostalgic movie. Thanks for reviewing it!
"It was the Army's answer to Top Gun, and the answer was wrong" - Casmo, 2021 (colorized)
When working at Martin Marietta, my coworkers and I referred to this movie as Fire Ants. DoD also said Hellfire missiles could not be used in the movie. LOL
I'll have you know that Fort Mitchell was named after Pete Mitchell! Wait, never mind.
I remember being part of the SIMNET testing at Ft Knox waaay back in the day. During the beta testing we let the Apache guys pop in the M1 sim and blow stuff up and we got to fly the apache sim. Back then the Apache sim was just a blacked out room with a chair and console in the middle and a bunch of TVs in front of you. The flightsim graphics in this movie look exactly like the old SIMNET graphics.......
Fort Mitchell as in Pete Mitchell the Navy Ace from Top Gun?????
Love your "Mover Ruins Movies" series, so keep up the good work. The way the "panty training" is supposed to work instead of directly using the simulator is by restricting the dominant eye. It's a very common rehabilitation technique for limbs after a stroke or other type of neurological injury (I've never seen it used for eyesight though), but the way it is supposed to work is this: When one of your arms is affected, you instinctively begin using the unaffected arm more and more, which makes rehabilitating the affected arm harder, so one way to rehab it, is by restricting the good arm (like with the use of a sling), to force you to only use your bad arm to help it regain some function. Here the concept is basically the same. In the sim he could still use both of his eyes, so his dominant eye would still well, dominate, making it harder for him to process the information from the other eye. With the panty and periscope he was forced to only rely on his non-dominant eye by taking away his dominant eye. In theory it should help, although he wouldn't notice any benefits after a single training session.
This is why I LOVED the "Strike" games for Genesis and SNES, cause you pilot a Apache in it.
Loved those games
It had a wierd enclosed tail rotor fan. Probably made it easier on the graphics, just had to mirror one file for both directions.
Being a veteran myself, I find this humor hilarious Mover. Keep up the awesome comedic narrative going!
I had a crush on Sean Young watching this movie.
This is so awesome! Been waiting and searching for Apache pilot reactions to these scenes/movies! I'd really love to know his reaction to the Apache NY chase scene from Godzilla (1998) starring Mathew Broderick! Used to watch that movie all the time growing up, maybe as much as Top Gun! Thanks for another awesome video Mr. Lemoine!
The scorpion sounds exactly like Knight Rider :)
FUNNIEST 'Mover ruins movies'! Mover, you should do more with Casmo. you guys are a great team! reminds me of 'Mystery science theater'.
Tommy Lee Jones .. born 40, looks 50 for the majority of his career... Never passes 60!?!
He's probably 80 now
5:59 I love the weak, quiet "hooah" :-D
This was awesome. Just as fun as MST3K. Thanks for these.
you know at 19:38 that kind of looks like 5700 on Ft. Rucker. I remember that they filmed some of it at Rucker.
Does every "War Room" look like Dr. Strangelove now?
23:20 In Germany, I was AVIM maintenance and our platoon leader was W-2 Cobra pilot, on his 2nd wife, 15 years younger than him, and his haircut & mustache was never to regs. He was cool, though.
24:50 I never saw base housing that nice in my 4 years in and 4 bases.
26:30 You youngsters have never seen an old computer tape drive from the ‘60s? Sheesh!
Table wasn't a pentagon. It was a coffin.
When they first show the 58-D on the flight line, it only has a two-bladed tail rotor. The 58-Ds I worked on during Operation Desert Shield/Storm had four-bladed tail rotors. And the command pilot always sat in the left seat, co-pilot in the right.
I dunno... I’m 37 and I feel as old as Tommy Lee Jones looks in this movie. 🤣🤣
You've not hit your peak yet youngster! 😂
@@HappyBear376 yeah you’re probably right 🤣
To think this man is in his 80s now
love this movie and really enjoyed you guys commentary on it. First watched it as a kid just like you and absolutely loved it and now again many years later still a really enjoyable watch. Always love the clarifications you give on how these things work. Good job. Thanks
Dale Dye as commander. He's always the commander.
He has held that rank since birth. ;-)
@@guardrailbiter "Here lies Gen. Col. Maj. Capt. Lt. Dale Dye, USN, USAF, USMC, USA, ..."
Great stuff! My grandfather took me at 4 y/o to see my first movie, Firebirds! Loved the Blues/Tbirds too much to not think about tac jets tho. Thanks guys, yall seemed to enjoy going back too. Damn, 40 is sneaky!
I was 18 when this came out. My dream was to fly the Apache well before that, but having diabetes is a no go. Can't wait for DCS one to come out, I will live in my VR AH-64D lol.
Poor eyesight and colour blindness done for me. Wound up doing comms.
@@HappyBear376 They wouldn't even take me for that, guess they afraid of me dying in basic lol
First time ever watching this film was with you guys. I loved your commentary. It made the movie much fun to watch even in this shortened version.
Fact: Dale Dye is in every single military movie
I said the same thing. He just has that military officer look
Was skeptical about his call name until the very end when Casmo says, with perfect facial expressions for the comment, "Whew, what a journey!! lol Good vid, boys.
I lost at "It's just a HUD!" 😂😂😂
I flew “A” models from 1988 to 2005. We had the CMS (Combat Mission Simulator) best video game back then. I never flew the “D” or the Longbow Crew Trainer. When Firebirds came out, I told people I flew Blackhawks.
So they had stingers the entire time and only used them when they got shot down?
They just weren't the show indeed.
Because they didn't do the preflight and had to get them out of the compartment first... :D
@@kennyraiden9346 I guess shooting down bad guys with an onboard heat-seeking missile doesn't have the same dramatic effect as the rocket pods. Then again, if they wanted to be practical, they probably would've scrambled some F-16 and swatted that little bird out of the sky instead of sending a bunch of Apaches.
@@run2u520 Thank you for a great explanation and I liked it! Probably the filmmakers wanted the scenes with firing Stingers so that was how they put in a script. I didn't know the Stingers can be dismantled and operated manually. To shoot down the aerial hostile from the ground brings out more excitement and sure it did. As you mentioned, sending airstrikes to knock down the potential threats is more practical and probably that's how the US forces conduct the operations. When it comes to that, the Army's air cavalry's call to eliminate the ground hostile such as artilleries, SAM sites, and armed vehicles embedded with the surface to air arsenals prior to the fighters/bombers to move in. That might have been so climatic though, the F16s might have stolen the stage over the Apaches if they had done it. Instead, I really loved the sequences of the Apache and the Little Bird are going air to air. I presume the filmmakers must have done so much research and discussion for writing the script to narrow them down to that footage and definitely that was a job well done. It is kind of a good flick but somehow this movie is a bit underrated, I don't know why. Anyway thanks to Mover for choosing this movie, I guess it kind of shined a light on.
Army logic in a nutshell
Most of that was filmed in Mesa AZ at the plant
I think the movie's weakness can be traced to Tommy Lee Jones's character never rapidly listimg things he wants and what he wants them to do . He could have said "I want every Chickasaw, Pave Hawk , Black Hawk, and Sea Hawk from here to Fort Mitchell fueled , hovering , and discoverin' where in the 8 known and charted levels of magestic fuckery my target is ." Perhaps he could have done one of his patented dressing downs of a sassy subordinate "now listen up , there is no room for your Roy Scheideresque Blue Thunder era hot doggin' in my elite rotary wing squadron , you get out there and employ proper helicoptering techniques or so help me God you'll be flying an R22 called "Lady Zip Tie" outta' Myrtle Beach showing retired plumbers from New Jersey the mystical realm so few have seen just beyond 130 feet above their time share for the low low price of $19.00 "
Aye the script really needed polishing. The aerial footage is awesome though, especially for pre-cgi.
Again, your "Mover Ruins Movies" with Casmo has some of the best videos on RUclips