Si tu perds du poids de corp tu perds de la puissance,si tu perds du poids de vélo tu gardes ta puissance avec du poids en moins,donc perdre du poids sur le vélo est plus interessant pour les performances mais moins pour votre porte monnaie.
@@lovemesomedetail 'Do some research' 🤣 That's why the world is so screwed up. Idiots 'doing research'. I did this particular 'research' at primary school when my teacher told me to lose an 'o'.
Heat management, from losing body fat, is an often ignored aspect of weight loss. Lower body fat often means the athlete can cope with elevated body temperatures better because excess heat is dissipated better. This is not only important in hot climates, even in moderate conditions one mode of failure is by the body reaching the temperature it no longer considers "safe" and it limits performance (one of the components of the central governor hypothesis).
@@tychoMX that's quite interesting, having lost 17kg in Saudi Arabia this Autumn/Winter I'll possibly see some changes when cycling in the upcoming summer. However, I'm definitely feeling the cold a bit more this year.
Rotating weight vs standing weight. Wheels huge diffrence. Loose weight there. Frames not worth it. A cheap stiff frame and weight loss on rider is a better improvement. Bottle cages who gives a hoot if your over 200. Just get one that holds well and dosent break.
Rotating weight has been proven to make little difference over and over again, as any losses when accelerating are recouped by improved speed maintenance due to inertia
Given we are talking about fat loss on the rider while still being at a 'healthy' level, losing weight on the rider is always better. Your body moves around all the time and less moving mass - or body fat in general - is better for your cardiovascular System. And it lowers the center of gravity. It's also cheaper though harder to achieve. But if you're down at the lowest (healthy) body fat percentage you have earned yourself that new top tier bike 😄
It is "easier" (and cheaper) for the rider to lose 2kg than the bike. The bikes weight is basically a constant, even the if you buy a lighter bike the rider could still (within reason) lose 2kg. The point is you are more likely to reach the limit of a bikes weight before the limit for the riders' weight (again, within reason acknowledging no one should have an unhealthy low wieght)
I went Bikepacking from Rome to Calabria last March and this March I'm doing it again. This year I will weigh 15kg less but I'm carrying about 5kg more. I know which version I'm more confident with performance wise!
Congrats on the ride John, and good luck on the next one. I bet it will be amazing. I'd love to follow your trip if you plot your journey on any of the socials :)
@GlobalRecumbentNetwork funny you should say that! I'm currently busy trying to learn how to use my new GoPro Hero 13 and also hoping to get a DJI Neo. Last year I did the ride solo but this year there should be 5 of us and I know another rider also has a GoPro so between us we should get some footage. I will be putting footage on my currently very basic RUclips channel, which has just been me attempting to get to grips with the camera, so far. I'll also be putting stuff up on my Facebook and Instagram sites. I originally wanted to try my hand at a little Livestreaming too but I think RUclips requires a lot of followers to make that possible so might just do it via the GoPro Livestream portal and pump the link out to anybody interested by way of a WhatsApp group.
2kg off the rider probably means saving money on some food, or maybe expending on a gym subscription. 2kg off the bike probably means 2000-4000eur in upgrades
If you lose fat of of your legs it’s the beste. You need to accelerate and decelerate less mass so less energy is needed. Furthermore you probably lose frontal area which probably isn’t the case with a lighter bike.
Stoked to learn I’m aero. I’ve always suspected that was true because my Speed Belly sure takes me downhill quickly compared to my bite-sized buddies But then they kill me on the climbs, prolly cause aero is less important there.
Hard to lose 2kg of body weight and not lose muscle as part of that! So that would suggest that its technically better to lose 2kg off the bike, as that is "useless" weight.
Bellies are aero, yes, but if they're quite big they make you do more work while paddling, cause you need to lift it a bit, right? Is there a way to measure this?
I'm appalled that you didn't mention how weight in different parts of the bike makes a huge difference. For example, the weight of the wheels and tires makes a significant impact, especially when climbing.
Always used to make me laugh when riding with the older guys (with 💰), and they'd get a new bike saying it was 1kg less than the old one . In reality, if they lose the 5-10kg excess body weight around the mid section, then they'd improve their ride times considerably more .
lol it's the rider for sure. My weight fluctuates between 90kg and 100kg. When I am sub 100kg I just blast up hills, it's so different. Carbon or Steel bike doesn't make that kind of difference.
If you loose 2kg, you loose a bit of power. If your bike looses 2kg you don't loose power. For power calculators is the same but, as you can see, it is not the same
Vo2 Max is based on /kg. If you lose 2kg, Vo2 goes up. A loss of 2kg for most riders would not lose power for a 2kg weight loss, but increase their VO2.
No understanding of physics - 2kg on tour tyres is much worse than 2kg on your hubs. Conservation of angular momentum. So 2kg on your feet is worse than 2kg on hips.
If you ride with your wallet the bike will have the huge advantage of being both lighter and making your wallet also lighter 😂 Losing 2kg of bodyweight takes a long time if you're not overweight, keeping it stable and staying with the same level of fitness is already challenging
Well u have to move your body out of the saddle so if u lose that weight it is a bigger advantage with every movement. But only works with fat. Do not lose muscle! :-)
I think losing weight on the rider is probably better than on the bike as you would lower your centre of mass, and possibly improve handling.
Si tu perds du poids de corp tu perds de la puissance,si tu perds du poids de vélo tu gardes ta puissance avec du poids en moins,donc perdre du poids sur le vélo est plus interessant pour les performances mais moins pour votre porte monnaie.
@littlevo9 Not all bikers are skinny. Some definitely need to lose some weight
@@littlevo9But we are talking in the case with no loss of muscle/power if the rider looses 2kg
“Lose”-not “loose”. “Loose” is the opposite of tight. “Lose” is the opposite of gain.
bro do some research. to loose is the correct term for loosing weight. only when you say "xy lost weight" its only one "o"
@ No, it’s not. This is basic spelling and grammar. “Loosing” would be pronounced “loo-sing”. “Losing” is pronounced “loo-zing”.
@@lovemesomedetail You will see what I stated clearly in a dictionary.
@@lovemesomedetail "do some research" this isn't a scientific study mate. To lose weight is correct.
@@lovemesomedetail 'Do some research' 🤣 That's why the world is so screwed up. Idiots 'doing research'. I did this particular 'research' at primary school when my teacher told me to lose an 'o'.
Heat management, from losing body fat, is an often ignored aspect of weight loss.
Lower body fat often means the athlete can cope with elevated body temperatures better because excess heat is dissipated better. This is not only important in hot climates, even in moderate conditions one mode of failure is by the body reaching the temperature it no longer considers "safe" and it limits performance (one of the components of the central governor hypothesis).
@@tychoMX that's quite interesting, having lost 17kg in Saudi Arabia this Autumn/Winter I'll possibly see some changes when cycling in the upcoming summer.
However, I'm definitely feeling the cold a bit more this year.
Rotating weight vs standing weight. Wheels huge diffrence. Loose weight there.
Frames not worth it. A cheap stiff frame and weight loss on rider is a better improvement.
Bottle cages who gives a hoot if your over 200. Just get one that holds well and dosent break.
Rotating weight has been proven to make little difference over and over again, as any losses when accelerating are recouped by improved speed maintenance due to inertia
Given we are talking about fat loss on the rider while still being at a 'healthy' level, losing weight on the rider is always better.
Your body moves around all the time and less moving mass - or body fat in general - is better for your cardiovascular System.
And it lowers the center of gravity.
It's also cheaper though harder to achieve. But if you're down at the lowest (healthy) body fat percentage you have earned yourself that new top tier bike 😄
Lighter bikes are more fun to ride. In terms of performance, essentially no difference
Putting on muscle mass and having a road bike 10kilos or under, thats enough to do practically everything, WELL
It is "easier" (and cheaper) for the rider to lose 2kg than the bike. The bikes weight is basically a constant, even the if you buy a lighter bike the rider could still (within reason) lose 2kg. The point is you are more likely to reach the limit of a bikes weight before the limit for the riders' weight (again, within reason acknowledging no one should have an unhealthy low wieght)
As long as your wheels are same aero, then reduce the weight of the weels.
I reckon I can lose 15kg off me… unlikely to be able to lose that from the bike!!
I went Bikepacking from Rome to Calabria last March and this March I'm doing it again. This year I will weigh 15kg less but I'm carrying about 5kg more. I know which version I'm more confident with performance wise!
Congrats on the ride John, and good luck on the next one. I bet it will be amazing. I'd love to follow your trip if you plot your journey on any of the socials :)
@GlobalRecumbentNetwork funny you should say that! I'm currently busy trying to learn how to use my new GoPro Hero 13 and also hoping to get a DJI Neo.
Last year I did the ride solo but this year there should be 5 of us and I know another rider also has a GoPro so between us we should get some footage.
I will be putting footage on my currently very basic RUclips channel, which has just been me attempting to get to grips with the camera, so far. I'll also be putting stuff up on my Facebook and Instagram sites.
I originally wanted to try my hand at a little Livestreaming too but I think RUclips requires a lot of followers to make that possible so might just do it via the GoPro Livestream portal and pump the link out to anybody interested by way of a WhatsApp group.
2kg off the rider probably means saving money on some food, or maybe expending on a gym subscription. 2kg off the bike probably means 2000-4000eur in upgrades
Cost/benefit, losing 2kg of fat is free, how much to lose 2kg off a bike???
Some people it is easier to pay for 2kg off the bike than yo-yo diets and suffering performance loss and will to live due to not eating cake!!! :)
@ weak excuses
Lose*
Get better at English 😂
If you lose fat of of your legs it’s the beste. You need to accelerate and decelerate less mass so less energy is needed. Furthermore you probably lose frontal area which probably isn’t the case with a lighter bike.
2kgs off your tires (very possible) would feel the most dramatic during acceleration and braking.
In horse racing they always prefare the weight to be made by the jokey not lead in the saddle , that weight is dead weight it provides no input .
Stoked to learn I’m aero. I’ve always suspected that was true because my Speed Belly sure takes me downhill quickly compared to my bite-sized buddies But then they kill me on the climbs, prolly cause aero is less important there.
Hard to lose 2kg of body weight and not lose muscle as part of that! So that would suggest that its technically better to lose 2kg off the bike, as that is "useless" weight.
Bellies are aero, yes, but if they're quite big they make you do more work while paddling, cause you need to lift it a bit, right? Is there a way to measure this?
I'm appalled that you didn't mention how weight in different parts of the bike makes a huge difference. For example, the weight of the wheels and tires makes a significant impact, especially when climbing.
Take both your water bottles and fill them up. Ride with them on your bike. Then in your jersey. Almost the same thing.
Also if you've lost weight due to being more active then your cardio has probably improved too.
Always used to make me laugh when riding with the older guys (with 💰), and they'd get a new bike saying it was 1kg less than the old one . In reality, if they lose the 5-10kg excess body weight around the mid section, then they'd improve their ride times considerably more .
lol it's the rider for sure. My weight fluctuates between 90kg and 100kg. When I am sub 100kg I just blast up hills, it's so different. Carbon or Steel bike doesn't make that kind of difference.
Trust me bro I finished high school.
If I cut out alcohol and snacks, I lose weight and spend less. How much to save even 1kg off my 8kg road bike?
"Bellies are generally more aero". All I needed to hear, barkeep; one more pint please!
If you loose 2kg, you loose a bit of power. If your bike looses 2kg you don't loose power. For power calculators is the same but, as you can see, it is not the same
You don’t lose power by dropping 2kg of fat…
Vo2 Max is based on /kg. If you lose 2kg, Vo2 goes up. A loss of 2kg for most riders would not lose power for a 2kg weight loss, but increase their VO2.
@ exactly 👍
Depend on person. Loose 2kg for fat (overweight person) are much better (might increase power) than loose 2 kg for the bike.
@ you’re not necessarily overweight if you want to lose just 2kg…
Losing 2 kg on the ridee is free for 95% of the people. 2 kg on the bike will most likely cost you 100s or 1000s of $/£/€/chf/etc
No understanding of physics - 2kg on tour tyres is much worse than 2kg on your hubs. Conservation of angular momentum. So 2kg on your feet is worse than 2kg on hips.
My belly is well aero yeah
Ok how about losing 14kg off the rider vs 14kg off the bike?
Imagine a picture of "perfect aero body" - short body with belly, skinny arms, kyphosis... what else 😅
If the 2kg you gained was muscle in your legs then you’re going faster.
Great. I'm not fat, I'm *aero*!
You start by learning the word lose before you let loose on these titles.
bellies are more aero ....excellent
2kg off the rider is like 2kg off all of your bikes
Depends on your bum. Just like a seatpost bag, there’s an aerodynamic advantage to a big… ummm … rear … tail fin?
If it 2kg of muscle you are faster than 2kg of bike . An overweight man have more power ,an overweight bike is just overweight.
Not identical, not even close. -2kg from bike weight is like -8kg of body fat. Seriously.
Bellies be aero, Ollie 😍
It's Lose not Loose!!!
Loose or lose!?
Losing 2 kg weight is more areo
Loose??
If you ride with your wallet the bike will have the huge advantage of being both lighter and making your wallet also lighter 😂 Losing 2kg of bodyweight takes a long time if you're not overweight, keeping it stable and staying with the same level of fitness is already challenging
Be great when they workout how to make water lighter 🤡
Well u have to move your body out of the saddle so if u lose that weight it is a bigger advantage with every movement. But only works with fat. Do not lose muscle! :-)
Absolute rubbish video