Imagine being able to hit a two yard fade at will. In shorts that tight. But seriously, this is incredible how it is possible to make the tiniest changes to a repetitious process. The way Mac’s swing has such synchronicity from sand wedge to driver is mind blowing. Mind you, he certainly put the work in. Thanks for posting. This is golf gold.
The tempo throughout the bag is unbelievable as is the balance. The hands are not as low as they became later and the divots seem thinner as well. When exactly was the transition to the slightly closed stance? Also this is a period in which he seems to have the longer arm extension post impact as compared to the 86/87 period where there was a relatively early rehinging of the wrists. I worked with Mac not long ago -- 2019 -- and a number of the elements are similar but for the lower hands at address; same approach to eyes on the ball and cocking of head through impact and beyond. Same ball flight pattern. Just some adjustments due to injuries in the intervening years. From the DTL view here it is hard to tell if there is the upper and lower CG shift that characterized the era which most influenced the Stack and Tilters. Ironically, I think, the CG shifts forward was really a very early precursor of what many of us teach in contemporary jargon as re-centering early, which nowadays focuses not just on the upper and lower centers but on the landing of the pressure on the balls of the front foot as a trigger to lower body rotation that follows immediately. There are so many nuggets here and so much that figures as precursors of what was to follow. The emphasis on the core dominated backswing rotation and loading; the recentering. I even think i see in these actions -- though I am not sure -- the lead arm staying above the front pec throughout the downswing. I think the S&T crowd just missed the bigger more important featues of the motion and focused on the CG shifts left which they turned into hip slide before rotate, but you don't really see any of that in these swings. He's an artist as much as what he likes to think of as a scientist. It's a shame that his relationships with people who were influenced by him proved so fraught because the truth is there is so much in his teaching that invited growth and evolution working within the larger conceptual framework. And instead of that being his current legacy, he is saddled with association with the S&T ASSOCIATION and the claim that they stole it from him when in fact there is so little in S&T that captures anything essential in Mac's actual deeper swing ideas. He never pushed the early left side bend and excessive tilt. He was always about loading. The natural power and fluidity in his swing is nowhere to be seen in a stack and tilter. Everyone nowadays instead recognizes the upper and lower CG movement and then the backing up with the driver but not the irons. And I can't speak for others whose relationship with him was much closer than mine and golf instruction for me is something I do semi seriously after 40+ years as an amateur player while having an extensive academic career. So for me the stakes were lower, but I have found Mac to be an extremely thoughtful and kind person who is helpful ot others, but who like many geniuses, is very protective of what he sees as his IP. I have always adopted a different view of the IP around my research. I love seeing what others do with carrying on their intellectual research and am happy that they do so. My only concern is that they adopt standards of integrity in their own work. Mac was more protective and that is plausible attitude to take, but I worry that it did not serve him as well as would a different approach. All said and done, working with him felt to me like my wife (who is a painter) studying with Motherwell. It's an opportunity to experience and appreciate genius: doesn't happen that often in life. Thanks for these remarkable videos.
@@ronb521 Mac lives in Japan and I believe he comes to the US once or twice a year. You can probably reach him through a couple of people who work with him whenever he is in the country. Or at least they can tell you when he will be back in the country next. I cannot share his email, nor would I expect others to.. But they will be able to act as intermediaries on your behalf if you would like to work with him when he is in the US
@@TheSeer101 With the possible exception of Ben Hogan, every golfer comes into impact on a slightly steeper angle than the 'shaft' plane. There are a number of factors that can contribute to this from radial deviation through impact to the fact that in the downswing the hands are heading up once they reach roughly the right thigh (delivery position-ish) which means that if your hands were even with the ball at address and ahead of the ball at impact they will naturally be higher than at address to the extension of the spine somewhat through impact. The basic idea is 'never chase a pictrure'; be dynamic. In a dynamic movement, your hands will be both farther from the body at p6 than at p2 and they will be higher at impact than at address.
Great work ,it would be nice for Mac to explain why he thinks he pulled or pushed the shots as I do that and have no idea ,also could someone explain his transition to me ,it’s looks like he is just rotating his shoulders rather than swinging his arm or turning his hips to start the downswing any thoughts would be appreciated as trying out his swing from the seve tapes and finishing with a very sore back so must be doing something wrong.thanks mr docherty for posting I am having a lot of fun trying it out.
Once you reach the top of the swing...the change of direction is started from the ground up...as subtle as it might appear with the lower body...it's happening...and as far as body...the shoulders have the furthest to travel as they were turned 90 degrees...and that club is starting to fly...the body has to get back to support a good impact position...I personally think his 80's swing did a better job getting back to support impact and in this video he tended to be a tad too high and not in as good of position with the right shoulder by impact...there are good swings in there where he did though! He said he's working on getting his hands to go around the circle without rolling the hands over...and for someone swinging this fast...you have to keep the pressure by moving the body and maintaining the hand speed into the finish...like Hogan!
Thanks Dochety golf ,what about starting with more weight on the left foot and then only start transition with the shoulders until they are on the target line ,then the push of the left foot turns the left hip up and out of the way allowing the body to turn all the way to the finish.Do the arms need to get infront of the body first or is the rotation of the body used to pull the club through.Just confused as to what to practise as very inconsistent results .Many thanks for your thoughts.
Well...you have to understand the difference between pressure and center of mass. The pressure needs to be in the left foot with the center of mass back to rotate correctly coming through...basically axis tilt with rotation...the only thing holding these guys like Hogan and Mac from falling back away from the target in their finish is toes on their right foot. That’s why every pro when they’re done with their finish comes back to their right leg.
This is such a pure swing. I don't know that much about MORAD but it appears he changed some aspects of his swing through the years. It seems like in his earlier years that he had a lot more pronation of the left arm which got the clubhead behind the hands and a little under plane earlier. This video shows the clubhead going right up the plane. Was that intentional on his part or just an evolution that took place over time? Thanks for posting this.
@@woodmo530 He started using the right forearm takeaway...flexing and fanning his right arm to start the swing...the argument for it is the hands/arms/club has the furthest to travel...and if you whip it in the torso rotates too soon and then all you can do to finish your swing is lift your arms
Thanks for the video. His pivot through the ball is a key concept for him seeing as he states that is what he is aiming to do, but he achieves this with an upwards head movement from just after P5 to just after P7. Hogan did the pivot through impact but achieved it without the head motion. Did Mac see the head motion as a weaknesss or merely something to be accomodated? He stresses the importance of keeping the ball in the centre of the foveal field to aid striking, but moves the plane of the foveal field away from the ball in the milliseconds before impact...That would seem to be a weakness if ones stresses stability of foveal fixation, no? I can't help but feel that the low hands that Mac starts with somehow contribute to the vertical head motion??? Whereas Hogan had higher hands at address and matched them at impact, Mac seems to have lower hands at address and raises the handle at impact (relative to address). I have no answers, but this has been a thing of fascination for me, perhaps to no betterment of my own amateur game, for years: ruclips.net/video/culsvxcXBso/видео.html
Mac's low hands help keep his takeaway on plane (plus rotary overall) and is an earlier wrist cock than Hogan. IMO, it is an advantage for pitching and shorter shots and of course also works well for longer irons and driver. However it adds a bit more takeaway variability although the swing model is consistent through the bag vs. adapting a swing for the shorter shots. As good an athlete as Mac is, Hogan's full swing is more impressive to me - at least Hogan's swing at his best (mid career and later). I would take Mac's swing over early Hogan, however.
Mac's higher hands at impact vs. address is simply from inertia and is not a flaw, per se. However, there is an argument that high hand address from start to impact is easier for the brain to "calculate" - an argument proponents of the one plane advocates believe - and IMO, it has some validity albeit overstated. There are pro and cons for both, actually.
Could you describe his key takeaway/backswing and downswing motions as you understand it? I think I know & can demonstrate but even in my own swings there are multiple ways to get the job done and to the observer it may all look the same...
@@DochetyGolf Thanks. Has to be one of the best swings of all time. But I notice his release doesn't seem quite as low and to the left as Hogan's and Snead's. Is there any explanation for this? Is it intentional?
Imagine being able to hit a two yard fade at will. In shorts that tight. But seriously, this is incredible how it is possible to make the tiniest changes to a repetitious process. The way Mac’s swing has such synchronicity from sand wedge to driver is mind blowing. Mind you, he certainly put the work in. Thanks for posting. This is golf gold.
Love the golf shoes with the 70’s/80’s running shorts. My wife caught me watching this and I didn’t know how to respond to her asking me wtf?
The tempo throughout the bag is unbelievable as is the balance. The hands are not as low as they became later and the divots seem thinner as well. When exactly was the transition to the slightly closed stance? Also this is a period in which he seems to have the longer arm extension post impact as compared to the 86/87 period where there was a relatively early rehinging of the wrists. I worked with Mac not long ago -- 2019 -- and a number of the elements are similar but for the lower hands at address; same approach to eyes on the ball and cocking of head through impact and beyond. Same ball flight pattern. Just some adjustments due to injuries in the intervening years. From the DTL view here it is hard to tell if there is the upper and lower CG shift that characterized the era which most influenced the Stack and Tilters. Ironically, I think, the CG shifts forward was really a very early precursor of what many of us teach in contemporary jargon as re-centering early, which nowadays focuses not just on the upper and lower centers but on the landing of the pressure on the balls of the front foot as a trigger to lower body rotation that follows immediately. There are so many nuggets here and so much that figures as precursors of what was to follow. The emphasis on the core dominated backswing rotation and loading; the recentering. I even think i see in these actions -- though I am not sure -- the lead arm staying above the front pec throughout the downswing. I think the S&T crowd just missed the bigger more important featues of the motion and focused on the CG shifts left which they turned into hip slide before rotate, but you don't really see any of that in these swings. He's an artist as much as what he likes to think of as a scientist. It's a shame that his relationships with people who were influenced by him proved so fraught because the truth is there is so much in his teaching that invited growth and evolution working within the larger conceptual framework. And instead of that being his current legacy, he is saddled with association with the S&T ASSOCIATION and the claim that they stole it from him when in fact there is so little in S&T that captures anything essential in Mac's actual deeper swing ideas. He never pushed the early left side bend and excessive tilt. He was always about loading. The natural power and fluidity in his swing is nowhere to be seen in a stack and tilter. Everyone nowadays instead recognizes the upper and lower CG movement and then the backing up with the driver but not the irons. And I can't speak for others whose relationship with him was much closer than mine and golf instruction for me is something I do semi seriously after 40+ years as an amateur player while having an extensive academic career. So for me the stakes were lower, but I have found Mac to be an extremely thoughtful and kind person who is helpful ot others, but who like many geniuses, is very protective of what he sees as his IP. I have always adopted a different view of the IP around my research. I love seeing what others do with carrying on their intellectual research and am happy that they do so. My only concern is that they adopt standards of integrity in their own work. Mac was more protective and that is plausible attitude to take, but I worry that it did not serve him as well as would a different approach. All said and done, working with him felt to me like my wife (who is a painter) studying with Motherwell. It's an opportunity to experience and appreciate genius: doesn't happen that often in life.
Thanks for these remarkable videos.
Nailed it especially on the loading part. Amen
Why does Mac choose to come into impact above the original shaft plane? I have always wonder about this and maybe you can give some insight. Thank you
Jules Coleman how does one go about arranging coaching with Mac? I am a young professional and would love to get some lessons off of him! Thanks
@@ronb521 Mac lives in Japan and I believe he comes to the US once or twice a year. You can probably reach him through a couple of people who work with him whenever he is in the country. Or at least they can tell you when he will be back in the country next. I cannot share his email, nor would I expect others to.. But they will be able to act as intermediaries on your behalf if you would like to work with him when he is in the US
@@TheSeer101 With the possible exception of Ben Hogan, every golfer comes into impact on a slightly steeper angle than the 'shaft' plane. There are a number of factors that can contribute to this from radial deviation through impact to the fact that in the downswing the hands are heading up once they reach roughly the right thigh (delivery position-ish) which means that if your hands were even with the ball at address and ahead of the ball at impact they will naturally be higher than at address to the extension of the spine somewhat through impact. The basic idea is 'never chase a pictrure'; be dynamic. In a dynamic movement, your hands will be both farther from the body at p6 than at p2 and they will be higher at impact than at address.
Window 5, 2 yard fade. Perfect. That’s Morikawa, too, when he’s on.
Without a doubt just the greatest swing of all time.
Drinking this in, have waited so many years for stuff like this to surface. Thanks so much for posting.
I'm glad you like them Jonathan!
Great content again but as an S&T guy I’ll undoubtably miss the bigger picture lol ....keep it up 👊🏻
Great work ,it would be nice for Mac to explain why he thinks he pulled or pushed the shots as I do that and have no idea ,also could someone explain his transition to me ,it’s looks like he is just rotating his shoulders rather than swinging his arm or turning his hips to start the downswing any thoughts would be appreciated as trying out his swing from the seve tapes and finishing with a very sore back so must be doing something wrong.thanks mr docherty for posting I am having a lot of fun trying it out.
Once you reach the top of the swing...the change of direction is started from the ground up...as subtle as it might appear with the lower body...it's happening...and as far as body...the shoulders have the furthest to travel as they were turned 90 degrees...and that club is starting to fly...the body has to get back to support a good impact position...I personally think his 80's swing did a better job getting back to support impact and in this video he tended to be a tad too high and not in as good of position with the right shoulder by impact...there are good swings in there where he did though! He said he's working on getting his hands to go around the circle without rolling the hands over...and for someone swinging this fast...you have to keep the pressure by moving the body and maintaining the hand speed into the finish...like Hogan!
Thanks Dochety golf ,what about starting with more weight on the left foot and then only start transition with the shoulders until they are on the target line ,then the push of the left foot turns the left hip up and out of the way allowing the body to turn all the way to the finish.Do the arms need to get infront of the body first or is the rotation of the body used to pull the club through.Just confused as to what to practise as very inconsistent results .Many thanks for your thoughts.
Well...you have to understand the difference between pressure and center of mass. The pressure needs to be in the left foot with the center of mass back to rotate correctly coming through...basically axis tilt with rotation...the only thing holding these guys like Hogan and Mac from falling back away from the target in their finish is toes on their right foot. That’s why every pro when they’re done with their finish comes back to their right leg.
This is such a pure swing. I don't know that much about MORAD but it appears he changed some aspects of his swing through the years. It seems like in his earlier years that he had a lot more pronation of the left arm which got the clubhead behind the hands and a little under plane earlier. This video shows the clubhead going right up the plane. Was that intentional on his part or just an evolution that took place over time? Thanks for posting this.
That’s a good eye Matt! Very intentional.
@@DochetyGolf Any idea what he did to make the change?
@@woodmo530 He started using the right forearm takeaway...flexing and fanning his right arm to start the swing...the argument for it is the hands/arms/club has the furthest to travel...and if you whip it in the torso rotates too soon and then all you can do to finish your swing is lift your arms
@@DochetyGolf Thanks so much for the reply!
Thanks for the video. His pivot through the ball is a key concept for him seeing as he states that is what he is aiming to do, but he achieves this with an upwards head movement from just after P5 to just after P7. Hogan did the pivot through impact but achieved it without the head motion. Did Mac see the head motion as a weaknesss or merely something to be accomodated? He stresses the importance of keeping the ball in the centre of the foveal field to aid striking, but moves the plane of the foveal field away from the ball in the milliseconds before impact...That would seem to be a weakness if ones stresses stability of foveal fixation, no?
I can't help but feel that the low hands that Mac starts with somehow contribute to the vertical head motion??? Whereas Hogan had higher hands at address and matched them at impact, Mac seems to have lower hands at address and raises the handle at impact (relative to address). I have no answers, but this has been a thing of fascination for me, perhaps to no betterment of my own amateur game, for years: ruclips.net/video/culsvxcXBso/видео.html
Mac's low hands help keep his takeaway on plane (plus rotary overall) and is an earlier wrist cock than Hogan. IMO, it is an advantage for pitching and shorter shots and of course also works well for longer irons and driver. However it adds a bit more takeaway variability although the swing model is consistent through the bag vs. adapting a swing for the shorter shots. As good an athlete as Mac is, Hogan's full swing is more impressive to me - at least Hogan's swing at his best (mid career and later). I would take Mac's swing over early Hogan, however.
@@davida.4933 thanks for your thoughts. Do you know if Mac worried about his head motion during release?
Mac's higher hands at impact vs. address is simply from inertia and is not a flaw, per se. However, there is an argument that high hand address from start to impact is easier for the brain to "calculate" - an argument proponents of the one plane advocates believe - and IMO, it has some validity albeit overstated. There are pro and cons for both, actually.
@@davida.4933 thanks, I see your point.
I think he does hit it better when he gets his right shoulder lower at p6/7
mac should have worn those shorts in an event beman was at
Could you describe his key takeaway/backswing and downswing motions as you understand it? I think I know & can demonstrate but even in my own swings there are multiple ways to get the job done and to the observer it may all look the same...
I'm going to do some videos on those topics very soon...a lot easier to explain visually vs. writing it out.
Look forward to these videos
@@DochetyGolf Yes that's best look forward to it.
Talking about smooth
no dress code at Indian Canyon?
Does Mac have strong views on equipment ? He seems to be using a muscleback blade wiith no offset.
Hogan personals with leather grips
@@ddahlquist Thanks.
www.thegripmaster.com/product/classic-swinger/
@@DochetyGolf Never had new leather grips, only the old slick ones on my vintage ebay purchases. Must try some modern ones. Thanks for the details.
@@golfbulldog I really like grip master...I got them after I saw them on Mac's clubs...they slip on like modern grips.
anyone know what year?
Hey doc what year. Think I have some like this but it’s 2003/4
I have this at 93’ at 42 years old
Thanks for the Instagram shoutout Dana!!
@@DochetyGolf you bet!
Is the style of bag a hint? Logo?
@@DochetyGolf that’s probably some of the best
Did he do this from FO view?
He probably did...but I don’t think I have that
@@DochetyGolf Thanks.
Has to be one of the best swings of all time. But I notice his release doesn't seem quite as low and to the left as Hogan's and Snead's. Is there any explanation for this? Is it intentional?