Im so thankful you did this video and that somehow youtube put it on my feed. So much great info and cleared up a number of key issues for me. Even though in the section/p demonstrations we cant see your clubface (p1-p2, p6-p8 especially) you kinda showed it while talking about the pennies. For a long time I could not relate the release, impact zone to a smooth and "effortless" swing and the warm up full swings pros do on the tee box. Had also interpreted from 1 of mac's videos that p6-p7 was from mere rotation like a slap (which I have huge trouble trying to execute) But what you showed, there is distinct gradual ulnar deviation p6-p8 in your pennies swing. Having a really sore right shoulder blade from what for sure is a wrong way of swinging- where repairing a divot hurts real bad. So I was forced to play today swinging at 50-60%, using a gradual thumbs up thumbs down thumbs down, realised last night my eyes & thus head were shifting ahead of the ball (thanks to Mac talking about fovial view). My eyes were drifting trying to "get open" at impact. Bah! Managed to get that effortless feel with solid contact today. 60% effort and 90% same distance. Was at 95% effort before. Think I've really turned a corner here. Good things can come from an injury and watching youtube 👍🏻
Nice job Kevin. Thanks for posting. Mac promoted a quick straightening of the right elbow on the downswing to keep the shaft from coming OTT allowing a level rotation of the shoulders. It's good in theory but a very unorthodox and uncomfortable move... even for Mac. What happens is that (even for Mac) sometimes the right elbow DOESN'T straighten out as quickly as intended causing the shaft to steepen and then moves slightly OTT. This also delofts the clubface and sends the ball slightly long and left. So, even with good players, the ball ends up above and left of the hole leaving a much more difficult left to right downhill putt. This in my opinion is a serious flaw in the system. Those who watched Mac play during his peak would know that his miss was long and left...not good. Trevino set up his swing so that his miss would be short and right.. or what I would call the green zone. The red zone is long and left. Also, as "scientific" as Mac would approach things, he missed on the geometric advantage of flat lie angles. Hands low should flatten the shaft, but Mac promoted standing close to the ball to keep centers close in. Mac didn't play off flat lie angles like Trevino or Hogan... which he should have. That being said, I think most of his ideas where very good. This reverse shifting thing he's been promoting in recent years is nonsense.
I agree about straightening the right elbow, I never liked consciously trying to do that. I have a theory on that which I’ll be doing a future episode on. 1985-87 Mac rarely missed at all, he so was dialed in. He wedge game, distance control, putting, club selection and temperament held him back from winning more. But he didn’t hit any bad shots in competition in that time frame. His clubface never closed because his left knee straightened so fast. He hit exclusively fades. He also played with shorter than standard clubs. All clubs. So he didn’t need flatter lies. 1988, his back flared up, his hip speed slowed and he started getting a two way miss. Stayed that way until his surgery.
@@kevinralbovsky4621 A joy to hear "shorter than average clubs". That's my preference too. All this manufacturer's nonsense delofting standard irons and lengthening shafts is probably taking most by stealth. If the average younger golfer was handed a set of pre 1990 blades they'd be shocked at the lengths and lofts ..... and all to enable bigger yardages with each club. The claim "longest irons" is a play on words. Fortunately the authorities are going to stop longer and longer shafts at the driver end. 48" is ridiculous other than for Remax. I'd love to see courses set up with proper penalties for going wild. Deeper bunkers with only sideways exit; off fairway and beyond first cut being probably a lost ball and more water. The consequences of slugging is too painless.
Just love this way of swinging the club.. Great videos, thanks heaps!! Trying these movements myself👌I was slicing the ball but now I'm losing it to the left very often with the driver.. Maybe due to the strong grip!!
Very very insightful video. 1) You say Mac wanted a fade. How did he play the D-Plane. What was his stance, ball position, club face start line, and path? 2) In later videos you talk of CF, CP. Many of us today think in terms of GRF, opening left hip, and club handle moving up and left. How did 86 Morad look at these matters?
Mac felt the idea of D-Plane has merit, but was too general to be useful for golfers. Instead Mac diagrammed 9 windows of trajectory and curvature towards the indented target. Each window has its own unique set-up and swing characteristics. Moreover, each club in the bag has it’s own specific requirements for each window. For example to hit window #1, driver and lob wedge have many differences. It’s all comprehensively detailed in the late model MORAD checklists. But quite possibly… “like the snows of yesteryear, gone from this earth.”
Mac’s swing in ‘86 was his best ever. He ran off the rails IMO, over-experimenting on students and playing around with ideas like “linear momentum transfer,” that slide toward the target, and steep dump of the club into impact that he taught in ‘06. “Two turns and a swish” was much better. Wish he would have stuck with it, and explored the “radius locks” concept further and taught that to me.
Most important radius lock (unlock) was controlling the loss of the right ankle left knee radius lock through p6-p8. Also vital to facilitate a (gyroscopic precession) movement response in the hips, from the input from the arms-club at P4.
@@1DCCX Appreciate the insight. I think I understand what you're saying and have felt that "gyroscopic precession" when I've calmed my knees and feet down (I tend to be a knee driver/slider).
@@hoganfan924 The hands input manifests in greater range and ease of motion. It’s why you don’t need to hip spin p4-p5 but they do have to move properly not to foul it up. In a rigid body - eg a wheel of a rotating around its spindle/axle (axis) - a force shows up 90 degrees later. The human body isn’t rigid of course but obeys the same laws of physics and is more efficient (in relation to this concept) the closer you replicate a fixed spindle and club 90 degrees to the spine. All the greats get the shaft close to perpendicular after transition. The above view of Hogan in ‘keep it in the fairway’ is a great example. They did it intuitively of course. But even if you say, swing to the top and fire your right shoulder on plane or lower the arms fast, even if you are deliberately trying to hold back your body turn, your brain will cause your hips (pelvis, knee flexion) to react. The brain understands it intuitively, if you feed it good insights and concepts. Imho!
Thanks Kevin stance 50/50 and really not many similarities to stack and tilt.two turns and a swish more shoulder turn than hip turn in the transition.good luck in your tournament when playing well it dose appear to come down to putting,but nice to be swinging well.
I have experimented with returning the butt of the club to different spots with a passive release of the club/left arm angle. I need the lag to get any clubhead speed. Strong left hand light pressure in both pull the butt to the bottom of the ball and on through do nothing with the hands except hold onto the club. Don't close the shoulders until after impact. Does not work well with high hands and roll release.
Point about getting to P2: Mac DID talk about cocking the wrist to get to that point. Every video is watch he talks about exactly that. He also specifically mentions not to take the club back with wrists straight with a late wrist cock at the top. No, the wrist cock was done immediately and early in the back swing. On weight shift, Mac talks about the amount of shift (or hip slide) is controlled by the position of the left foot; the more it is turned out, the less the shift. The purpose of his practice swings over the ball was to teach keeping the club on plane and not get too steep on the down swing. This rendition is analogous to the reason golf is hard to learn because method is misinterpreted between instructors. Someone trying to learn Mac's method and listening to this video will not get the same results Mac intended.
Golf is not hard to learn. Just takes time. The swing however is difficult to master because it’s an intricate timing of the 13 major joints of the anatomy, controlling a clubhead on a very precise arc. The game itself is difficult because of the infinite variability of the course, conditions and human emotion. P2 in 1986-87 was determined by address and the bending of the right elbow. This created an early set and a short arc backswing. The advantage of this is better control of the swing radius and easier neurological response. My next video has Mac stating this exactly on film in front of a seminar. Another pro in the audience is unhappy with the idea of using the hands early. Mac explains exactly why it’s not the hands. It’s early set and short arc radius. Perhaps you should consider your interpretations. Mine come right from the source.
@@kevinralbovsky4621 Quoted from Mac's 1986 MORAD video going from P1 to P2: "the right elbow bends and the hands cock....you don't want to take the club on a more elongated arc......" Golf is hard because of the confusion created by an industry flooded with the seemingly infinite number of interpretations on the what is going on in the swing. I shoot around even par at 66 years old using Mac's instruction as close as I can follow it. I see people on the range being instructed by PGA certified pros that, after 2 years of instruction, can't hit the ball out of their shadow. You go ahead and interpret what Mac said any way you want to just to have an ego driven presence on RUclips. I prefer to go to the source.
@@AmmoDudethis guy knew Mac personally very well I believe. I was lucky enough to work with Mac recently and he did tell us the wrists would set early from P1 to P2 but from my understanding his techniques have evolved several times throughout the years.
@@djhdahsh7712 Then he should not have said "in the early 80s". Yes, in the 90s Mac was teaching a higher hand position at P1 but I do not believe he abandoned the wrist cock at P2. This is exactly to the core of confusion in golf instruction; it doesn't translate from instructor to instructor, how then can it be translated from instructor to student?
You never mentioned the secondary tilt through impact to keep the club on plane. I'm assuming that still true today? I noticed in one of your lessons, he really got on you for not doing that, especially with a long club.
@@kevinralbovsky4621 I found I dumped the club under. If you look at his lesson with Seve or Chuck Cook’s delivery at the Met PGA 2015 there’s no conscious axis tilt. I think he set it up with left foot flare automatically.
Kevin, great video, very insightful! I had heard Mac changed his swing in the 90's to a more linear pattern after he hurt his back. Any truth to that rumor? Thanks again for posting this video.
Question ; slight forward set up shift pre- take away . I started using it - find it helps to counter the normal centrifugal weight movement back forward . Prevents any “sway and stay “ . More of a turn to a back stop point then unwind
@@kevinralbovsky4621 hey thanks ; so to account for shift to right , I setting up with left pre- take away to to the left . Was I right in thinking Mac advocates so as to keep more centered through the back swing and back into impact . I might need to take a lesson from you
I think starting with your hands low And really bent knees forces players To raise their head through impact in order to create room. This will cause a great deal of inconsistency sometimes especially with the driver. Mac o'grady was not the straightest Driver of the golf ball.
Lower hands at address pre-sets the wrists and allows them to hinge efficiently. Also, it gets the arms in closer to the body and lowers the center of gravity, which increases balance and governs the backswing. A tight spinning top feeling. Through impact when the front knee straightens unwinding the hips, centrifugal force increases and the golfer will come out of the waist bend, but replaces it with a side bend, so there’s very little postural change. That’s why Mac’s swing, finish, balance all looks so clean. When Mac’s back was healthy, he was the longest straightest golfer on the PGA Tour. Many tour pros from the 80’s confirmed this.
Well done Kevin. Clear and concise.This is equivalent to documenting early MORAD.
Much appreciated 🤙
Pure gold! Thanks, Kevin! This is awesome!
Kevin. Thank you for doing this. I work with an 80's Mac tour pro and he teaches the same things. Great vid
Great video. I wish this video had the chapters like part 2
Me too
Im so thankful you did this video and that somehow youtube put it on my feed. So much great info and cleared up a number of key issues for me.
Even though in the section/p demonstrations we cant see your clubface (p1-p2, p6-p8 especially) you kinda showed it while talking about the pennies.
For a long time I could not relate the release, impact zone to a smooth and "effortless" swing and the warm up full swings pros do on the tee box.
Had also interpreted from 1 of mac's videos that p6-p7 was from mere rotation like a slap (which I have huge trouble trying to execute)
But what you showed, there is distinct gradual ulnar deviation p6-p8 in your pennies swing.
Having a really sore right shoulder blade from what for sure is a wrong way of swinging- where repairing a divot hurts real bad. So I was forced to play today swinging at 50-60%, using a gradual thumbs up thumbs down thumbs down, realised last night my eyes & thus head were shifting ahead of the ball (thanks to Mac talking about fovial view). My eyes were drifting trying to "get open" at impact. Bah!
Managed to get that effortless feel with solid contact today. 60% effort and 90% same distance. Was at 95% effort before. Think I've really turned a corner here.
Good things can come from an injury and watching youtube 👍🏻
Nice job Kevin. Thanks for posting. Mac promoted a quick straightening of the right elbow on the downswing to keep the shaft from coming OTT allowing a level rotation of the shoulders. It's good in theory but a very unorthodox and uncomfortable move... even for Mac. What happens is that (even for Mac) sometimes the right elbow DOESN'T straighten out as quickly as intended causing the shaft to steepen and then moves slightly OTT. This also delofts the clubface and sends the ball slightly long and left. So, even with good players, the ball ends up above and left of the hole leaving a much more difficult left to right downhill putt. This in my opinion is a serious flaw in the system. Those who watched Mac play during his peak would know that his miss was long and left...not good. Trevino set up his swing so that his miss would be short and right.. or what I would call the green zone. The red zone is long and left. Also, as "scientific" as Mac would approach things, he missed on the geometric advantage of flat lie angles. Hands low should flatten the shaft, but Mac promoted standing close to the ball to keep centers close in. Mac didn't play off flat lie angles like Trevino or Hogan... which he should have. That being said, I think most of his ideas where very good. This reverse shifting thing he's been promoting in recent years is nonsense.
I agree about straightening the right elbow, I never liked consciously trying to do that. I have a theory on that which I’ll be doing a future episode on.
1985-87 Mac rarely missed at all, he so was dialed in. He wedge game, distance control, putting, club selection and temperament held him back from winning more. But he didn’t hit any bad shots in competition in that time frame.
His clubface never closed because his left knee straightened so fast. He hit exclusively fades. He also played with shorter than standard clubs. All clubs. So he didn’t need flatter lies.
1988, his back flared up, his hip speed slowed and he started getting a two way miss. Stayed that way until his surgery.
@@kevinralbovsky4621 A joy to hear "shorter than average clubs". That's my preference too. All this manufacturer's nonsense delofting standard irons and lengthening shafts is probably taking most by stealth. If the average younger golfer was handed a set of pre 1990 blades they'd be shocked at the lengths and lofts ..... and all to enable bigger yardages with each club. The claim "longest irons" is a play on words.
Fortunately the authorities are going to stop longer and longer shafts at the driver end. 48" is ridiculous other than for Remax. I'd love to see courses set up with proper penalties for going wild. Deeper bunkers with only sideways exit; off fairway and beyond first cut being probably a lost ball and more water. The consequences of slugging is too painless.
Thanks Kevin, thanks for the video; sounds compact and user friendly. Hope you win the tournament!
Thanks Kevin! Hope you’re having a great trip! Aloha
Sir I want to thank you for this WoW!!!!
Great stuff! Very happy to have stumbled across your feed. Looking forward to more .
Just love this way of swinging the club.. Great videos, thanks heaps!!
Trying these movements myself👌I was slicing the ball but now I'm losing it to the left very often with the driver.. Maybe due to the strong grip!!
Don’t rotate your wrists through impact.
Hold it off!
@@kevinralbovsky4621 Thanks hope to see more videos from you!
Great analysis. Thanks
Excellent video. Thank you.
Much appreciated
Very informative. Thank you.
pure gold.thank you
Glad you enjoyed
Very very insightful video. 1) You say Mac wanted a fade. How did he play the D-Plane. What was his stance, ball position, club face start line, and path? 2) In later videos you talk of CF, CP. Many of us today think in terms of GRF, opening left hip, and club handle moving up and left. How did 86 Morad look at these matters?
Mac felt the idea of D-Plane has merit, but was too general to be useful for golfers.
Instead Mac diagrammed 9 windows of trajectory and curvature towards the indented target. Each window has its own unique set-up and swing characteristics. Moreover, each club in the bag has it’s own specific requirements for each window. For example to hit window #1, driver and lob wedge have many differences.
It’s all comprehensively detailed in the late model MORAD checklists. But quite possibly… “like the snows of yesteryear, gone from this earth.”
Great video, thanks for posting
Thanks for the support. Hope you enjoy Golf in the Cosmos next!
Thanks for the info.
Mac’s swing in ‘86 was his best ever. He ran off the rails IMO, over-experimenting on students and playing around with ideas like “linear momentum transfer,” that slide toward the target, and steep dump of the club into impact that he taught in ‘06. “Two turns and a swish” was much better. Wish he would have stuck with it, and explored the “radius locks” concept further and taught that to me.
Right on 👍
Most important radius lock (unlock) was controlling the loss of the right ankle left knee radius lock through p6-p8. Also vital to facilitate a (gyroscopic precession) movement response in the hips, from the input from the arms-club at P4.
@@1DCCX Appreciate the insight. I think I understand what you're saying and have felt that "gyroscopic precession" when I've calmed my knees and feet down (I tend to be a knee driver/slider).
@@hoganfan924 The hands input manifests in greater range and ease of motion. It’s why you don’t need to hip spin p4-p5 but they do have to move properly not to foul it up.
In a rigid body - eg a wheel of a rotating around its spindle/axle (axis) - a force shows up 90 degrees later.
The human body isn’t rigid of course but obeys the same laws of physics and is more efficient (in relation to this concept) the closer you replicate a fixed spindle and club 90 degrees to the spine. All the greats get the shaft close to perpendicular after transition. The above view of Hogan in ‘keep it in the fairway’ is a great example. They did it intuitively of course. But even if you say, swing to the top and fire your right shoulder on plane or lower the arms fast, even if you are deliberately trying to hold back your body turn, your brain will cause your hips (pelvis, knee flexion) to react.
The brain understands it intuitively, if you feed it good insights and concepts.
Imho!
Thanks Kevin stance 50/50 and really not many similarities to stack and tilt.two turns and a swish more shoulder turn than hip turn in the transition.good luck in your tournament when playing well it dose appear to come down to putting,but nice to be swinging well.
Fantastic stuff! Do you think his address is the same one George Gankas advises?
Thank you, great video. Any thoughts on side bend on BS and DS?
Less emphasis on side bend, although it exists!
Feel low and stay centered... you will have side bend.
I have experimented with returning the butt of the club to different spots with a passive release of the club/left arm angle. I need the lag to get any clubhead speed. Strong left hand light pressure in both pull the butt to the bottom of the ball and on through do nothing with the hands except hold onto the club. Don't close the shoulders until after impact. Does not work well with high hands and roll release.
Pivot left and hold. Try with a long towel under both arm pits!
Very good
Point about getting to P2: Mac DID talk about cocking the wrist to get to that point. Every video is watch he talks about exactly that. He also specifically mentions not to take the club back with wrists straight with a late wrist cock at the top. No, the wrist cock was done immediately and early in the back swing. On weight shift, Mac talks about the amount of shift (or hip slide) is controlled by the position of the left foot; the more it is turned out, the less the shift. The purpose of his practice swings over the ball was to teach keeping the club on plane and not get too steep on the down swing. This rendition is analogous to the reason golf is hard to learn because method is misinterpreted between instructors. Someone trying to learn Mac's method and listening to this video will not get the same results Mac intended.
Golf is not hard to learn. Just takes time. The swing however is difficult to master because it’s an intricate timing of the 13 major joints of the anatomy, controlling a clubhead on a very precise arc.
The game itself is difficult because of the infinite variability of the course, conditions and human emotion.
P2 in 1986-87 was determined by address and the bending of the right elbow. This created an early set and a short arc backswing. The advantage of this is better control of the swing radius and easier neurological response.
My next video has Mac stating this exactly on film in front of a seminar. Another pro in the audience is unhappy with the idea of using the hands early. Mac explains exactly why it’s not the hands. It’s early set and short arc radius.
Perhaps you should consider your interpretations. Mine come right from the source.
@@kevinralbovsky4621 Quoted from Mac's 1986 MORAD video going from P1 to P2: "the right elbow bends and the hands cock....you don't want to take the club on a more elongated arc......" Golf is hard because of the confusion created by an industry flooded with the seemingly infinite number of interpretations on the what is going on in the swing. I shoot around even par at 66 years old using Mac's instruction as close as I can follow it. I see people on the range being instructed by PGA certified pros that, after 2 years of instruction, can't hit the ball out of their shadow. You go ahead and interpret what Mac said any way you want to just to have an ego driven presence on RUclips. I prefer to go to the source.
@@AmmoDudethis guy knew Mac personally very well I believe. I was lucky enough to work with Mac recently and he did tell us the wrists would set early from P1 to P2 but from my understanding his techniques have evolved several times throughout the years.
@@djhdahsh7712 Then he should not have said "in the early 80s". Yes, in the 90s Mac was teaching a higher hand position at P1 but I do not believe he abandoned the wrist cock at P2. This is exactly to the core of confusion in golf instruction; it doesn't translate from instructor to instructor, how then can it be translated from instructor to student?
@@AmmoDude Why are you so rude? This video is enlightening and then there's you.
You never mentioned the secondary tilt through impact to keep the club on plane. I'm assuming that still true today? I noticed in one of your lessons, he really got on you for not doing that, especially with a long club.
I’m not big on the second tilt.
I don’t think it’s needed nor is it easy on the brain.
@@kevinralbovsky4621 I found I dumped the club under. If you look at his lesson with Seve or Chuck Cook’s delivery at the Met PGA 2015 there’s no conscious axis tilt.
I think he set it up with left foot flare automatically.
Good job
Good stuff! 🤙🤙🤙
Thanks
Thank you! I have always been more a fan of the old MORAD model.
Kevin, great video, very insightful! I had heard Mac changed his swing in the 90's to a more linear pattern after he hurt his back. Any truth to that rumor? Thanks again for posting this video.
Maybe some truth to that.
But after his surgery, he was 100%
Mostly re-thinking the original ideas.
@@kevinralbovsky4621 Thank you sir!
What type of yoga systems did Mac practice?
Iyengar and Ashtanga Vinyasa.
What’s the axis of rotation?
You’re trying to swing around a fixed center. As though your feet are together. Although as the feet widen, there will be some subtle shifting.
@@kevinralbovsky4621
Sorry but I’m not catching on.
BTW: Great job!
Question ; slight forward set up shift pre- take away . I started using it - find it helps to counter the normal centrifugal weight movement back forward .
Prevents any “sway and stay “ . More of a turn to a back stop point then unwind
I think it’s normal to shift ever so slightly right as the club goes back to P2, then about P3, the center re-establishes.
@@kevinralbovsky4621 hey thanks ; so to account for shift to right , I setting up with left pre- take away to to the left .
Was I right in thinking Mac advocates so as to keep more centered through the back swing and back into impact .
I might need to take a lesson from you
I think starting with your hands low And really bent knees forces players To raise their head through impact in order to create room. This will cause a great deal of inconsistency sometimes especially with the driver. Mac o'grady was not the straightest Driver of the golf ball.
Lower hands at address pre-sets the wrists and allows them to hinge efficiently. Also, it gets the arms in closer to the body and lowers the center of gravity, which increases balance and governs the backswing. A tight spinning top feeling.
Through impact when the front knee straightens unwinding the hips, centrifugal force increases and the golfer will come out of the waist bend, but replaces it with a side bend, so there’s very little postural change. That’s why Mac’s swing, finish, balance all looks so clean.
When Mac’s back was healthy, he was the longest straightest golfer on the PGA Tour. Many tour pros from the 80’s confirmed this.
Is Mac still teaching? Thanks
Yes but very limited. You can email him at the Mac O’Grady Golf School website. You might get lucky.
TPI's work is fantastic for the players.
Sorry Kevin is weight on left side at set up for all clubs
Weight starts slightly left.
I tell students 40R 60L address, 50-50 top, 40R 60L impact, 10R 90R finish.
Brilliant Kevin thanks for that hitting it really well ball going straight or slightly left which is a dream for a 20 year slicer.
Pivot controlled hands, 4 barrel swinging, per 2M3 and 10-19-C, taking PP4 through impact. Is how I would describe it. Automatic snap release.
Can see how much stack and tilt is based on this