You NEED to Solo: the Problem With Overwatch 2 Ranked
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- What's the FASTEST way to rank up in Overwatch? There's so much conflicting information on the efficiency of stacking, soloing, and duoing, but REALLY what is the best way to approach ranked? Coach Spilo breaks down the APPLICABLE psychology of grouping in OW2, and what you need to know to make your decision!
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0:00 Intro
0:20 You Should STACK
1:51 You Should SOLO
6:35 Now what?
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What do you guys think? Is OW2 built more for the social side of things or built for the solo grind?
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Definitely solo q
the biggest problem you have in groups when trying to rank up is that you playing 10 percent better and everyone playing at the level of their respective ranks means everyone ranks up by 2 percent resulting in your friends being slightly boosted you being a "smurf". this doesnt happen solo becouse each time you win youre matched into better lobbies until you reach your next plateau. each and everyone of your friends would need to improve by the exact same percentage for you to rank up to the rank you should natively play at.
I think the game should be built for the more social side of things, but the devs never prioritized this. Big reason I quit the game - you end up ranking up to a point where you just can't have fun anymore. The idea behind wide groups is a step in the right direction imo, if implemented properly.
love the content, i find that solo queing allows me to actually be more critical of myself and not my friends or teammates and i learn more as a result, i guess comms are important but i think for climbing its probably more helpful
I find it's the opposite. I can focus on myself in the stack because I understand we aren't in utter disagreement/suspicion. As backline support in my stacks, I tend to see and note my friends "problem" behavior and adjust myself to it and address verbally it if it's particularly egregious (like using a bronze playstyle in plat games).
Out of the stack, I have to worry about teammates taking a nosedive mindset to the social aspect of the game. Defeatists, throwers, and flamers cannot exist in the stack. But they are very much in the solo queue.
When I've solo queued, I've found I'm more critical of myself, and I micromanage my plays to make sure I contribute every fight meaningfully. When I stack with just a duo, im wayyy more focused on them, making sure she's healed/safe/peeled for, so much so I'm much more willing to forget about my randoms so I try to stay out of comp when playing with friends
@@PyrncessTempest wdym with the last part
@agustinbre364 To preface, I play Support/Tank. When I'm with my friend, I pay more attention to them than if they were some random on my team, basically
I watched a video of a Streamer and her friends playing OW2 last year. One of the randoms on their team messed up ONCE and they proceeded to bully and blame everything single mess on that one player. They make a dumb move and then blame the rando for not being able to cover for them. It got so bad that the comment section came to the Randos defense. It was corny and lame. Im glad she got called out
I liked playing support with my old stack because I could pocket the random and they would usually overperform without my stack realising my involvement
The consistency of stacking seems like a bell curve where it’s the most valuable in like plat diamond
I get the stuff about tension in the group, but depends if you're playing with really good friends or basically just randoms. You can flame long time friends all you want without causing tension or anything, or resorting to scapegoating the players outside of the squad.
Adding on to what spilo said at the end, something I noticed in plat as a Winston player is that when I duo or trio queue with my friends who play support, they know how to play with a dive tank pretty well because we play a lot. When I’m with full randoms I notice that the supports can struggle a lot more when I dive and leave them alone.
I like the argument of if ur tanks a Rein otp then as Lucio u will only get practice playing with a rein, but you can also flip that on its head. I'm a Rein otp who doesn't know how to play well with a Lucio in comms cus I solo queue too much.
i’ve always seen people who don’t solo queue as red flags. it’s fun to play with friends and i do it a ton, but i also try to set aside time for solo queue as well
Not sure how much it applies to Overwatch, but in Apex if you duo queue you are pretty much guaranteed to have to carry the solo player
Whereas if you're already a competent solo player, then there's a higher chance that the duo will be two competent players expecting to have to pull more weight, giving you a stronger team overall
It's fun to play with my friends but I'm always ready to drop a couple divisions every time LOL
Maybe the hottest take I have - the only way stacking is worth is in case you're playing with smurfs/alt accounts.
If your goal is to rank up, you must believe that you don't belong in your rank to get above 50% wr.
If you stack, chances are your friend belongs in his rank, and you can only carry him so far before he starts dragging the winrate down to 50%.
The only exception is if you believe your duo is also deserving of a higher rank, which has much lower probability (that both of you do).
Another hot-take - if you did all your rank up in groups - you are either boosting or boosted.
Gg no re
Nah, my buddy when we're on the tank support duo we can push to high diamond, but solo we can end up in low diamond or even in plat. Our teamplay is pretty good, and knowing that at least one of his teammates isn't going to tilt that he's not playing Orisa is a big bonus.
@@lukasg4807in general he’s right tho
True. My winrate is much higher when I play alone rather than with friends. When I play with them I often have to play at 110% just to have a 50% winrate which is very exhausting. It's much easier solo queuing.
One thing i love about being a reaper one trick is I'll rarely be in a group outside of pugs xD
This is a great video. Thank you for your insight.
honestly, I tend to duo more in ranked than I do trying to soloQ (my gf) cause it just allows me to, cause it's just more fun, and it helps me just stay and play the game as opposed to just leaving after my 3rd game. it makes the game more bearable.
I played with a group for the first time as a ball and Ana main. And whilst both of these characters are usually quite stressful, I was almost AUTO PILOTING whilst I was communicating with my group members. It felt like the stress of overwatch was being buffered by the knowledge that the people have my best interest at heart.
Sometimes when I play solo and get teammates that flame or I myself am not working very well with the team because of skill issues, it feels like I'm playing a 1v9. That's not to mention the fact that on tank you're more likely to get reported when solo qeueing and you're susceptible to the rare albeit annoying leavers, AFK players misguided.
People always talk about the importance of comming for ranking up. But if your teammates are selfish and stressed out, they will not wanna hear what you got to say. :(
Excellent vid, can't wait for my session ❤
Dude you are the only one who speaks about exactly that! Thank you!
honestly the biggest advantage to duo queueing is that i get to play the game with a friend. i play with my friend and i couldn't care what synergy we have, we mostly just play the heros we want. hell half the game we're not even talking about overwatch yet we still made it to gm
If the majority of players played like that, ranked would be an unmitigated disaster. Besides, chances that you played "whatever you felt like" and made it to GM while ignoring the meta is far less than the chance you're just some guy claiming to be GM on the internet.
It's not saying you have to suck the meta off or anything, but there's a large gap between that and playing pharah moira every game because you "don't care what synergy you have" or whatever.
Probably uses Hacks make it to top 500 and pretend like they actually got there themselves. Legit?
@josephdavis3472 bro you good?
@@byotokyo2368 nah i one tricked ana
I agree with "playing with slightly better players than you" is the best. I like when we talk strategies, when enemy dps is "scary" and outplay me and I try my best to survive and still feel impactful even though outpressured, etc. If I end up in too good lobby it often becomes a steamroll loss. If I end up in a team where I need to do much better than normally - then I can learn how to deal with players that will make less stupid mistakes (and of course I will be punished for stupid mistakes and will try to not do them after dying 2-3 times from my own stupidity)
In my experience my duo winrate feels like 65%, trio 60%, solo 55%, and higher than 3 feels like 0% unless we got a couple people smurfing lol.
this is comforting to me as someone who is new to the game and unable to stack fearing that what was holding me back. what i have noticed is there is a natural skill evolution to each rank. that while sounds odd but sometimes adopting playstyles ahead of time. via videos etc. don't translate to a lower rank hero specific wise. so getting used to playing in a stack at higher ranks then coming back down to rank up a different role. does not go so well. so like the support positioning and play may not work as well in bronze, your still doing everything correct just the team isn't playing the same and comparatively out of position to be of better value. if threat makes sense
In my particular case, i tend to tilt way more when i'm playing with friends cause i have high expectations... cause well, they are people i trust.
Besides my personal experience, awesome video man!
This is a huge problem from me and idky i cant control it. I have way more fun playing with randoms and I dont like playing with friends. Even worse a significant other.
For me I have a nice mix of playing solo and in a stack. Mixing it up gives me the best of both worlds (even if it’s not perfectly optimized for ranking up).
The disadvantage of solo que, you get stuck in lots of groups with duos or more. At least this has been my experience. I have a better time all over if my team has no groups in it.
Yeah I agree man. In solo queue you get to play with all kinds of painful tank players that pick rein. He’s a throw pick and you also get tank players that think they can play doom. The pain is all there.
Rein is only a throw pick if you have bad teammates
@@sr_aron??? Wild ass take. Imagine if you play Rein on Gibraltar, to make it work, you need a Symm and a Lucio, probably a Bap, and your other DPS can be kinda flexible I guess, as long as they can attack the same targets through mobility or good range.
Not only does “making Rein work on Gibraltar” take this EXACT comp with a few minor variations, it also takes some seriously good, quick, and clear communication from almost everyone to coordinate the attack properly and make sure everyone is on the same page
@fuwameanssoft you know the wild shit about Gibraltar that everyone seems to forget is that there is a shit ton of stairs. You can even walk right up onto the bridge on first.
@@fuwameanssoft So we agree
@@fuwameanssoftright argument wrong example
As a mercy main, it is difficult to solo queue though. It feels like climbing solo queue is a snail’s pace. but i will continue and slowly but surely i will reach my goals.
Dive with friends is so much fun
Though, I feel more encouraged to improve mechanically with friends. One part is feeling responsibility to my good friends, and in one part, I know they are extremely forgiving of mistakes and don't flame me. So it's a good environment for learning, I think, and soloQ with randoms can feel daunting because of the risk of feeling like your team may put extra scrutiny on your performance (even if it wasn't your fault).
We all agree that OW is a team game where great teamwork has insane impact. That impact also gets the dopamine hits that are more potent than other shooters imo. Its the reason i always wanna play with friends. Teamwork is so gratifying when the execution is there, especially during clutch situations.
Solo queue's variance with teammates is too vast to have a consistent experience. Im down for it here and there, but i'll always yearn for the chance at coordination with friends.
If you like playing dive heroes then duo queueing is worthwhile, I find.
So the stacking is what is breaking the ranked system and I always get reversal on a loss and expected on a win? Resulting in me dropping 2 ranks with like 2 or 3 games more lost than one?
i mainly solo but not by choice. on dps i am stuck stuck on high gold. on tank i managed to push mid plat quite easily but don't enjoy doing the counter swap game...
Interesting video. I always found climbing easier with stacks
I played alot with a friend after I learned he was plat like me. I hit diamond 5 for on season with him because he was my healer as doom otp. And I didn't realize how much he was pocketing me on healer. And didn't learn to play around cover because not every healer is going to look at me constantly. After u realized that I played alot of solo because he kind of doesn't play anymore. And now I'm struggling in plat because I go super agro without thinking of my teams positions and whats going on behind me and only think I'm going to go in and kills people. Now I have been trying to re learn that slowly but surely hopefully one day I can hit diamond 5 again and go higher than that
5:54 yeah, paz
I find in lower ranks solo queueing as a console tracer player that I’ll be living in back line and taking flanks to create distractions so my team can pop off, but 9/10 times when I do that my team loses the team fight and falls over EVEN when they have a numbers advantage… It’s so frustrating to play ranked in lower elos
Yeah I was experiencing this exact thing yesterday (PC though not console). Even got accused of trolling (I had the joy of being the only solo queue on my team so naturally was the target for flaming). Solo queue definitely requires a stronger mental, I think, but it's worth the self-improvement. I just don't understand how my team loses the frontline battle when I have at least 2 people looking at/chasing me. I figure it must be a timing issue so I've been focusing a bit on that. Idk it can be rough, but it's rewarding. Good luck.
Skill issue. Any time I play in a lower rank it's so easy to carry on tracer. OP hero
@@blackpope8834 oh for me it absolutely is lol. My dps is so rusty so I'm working on relearning it, played dps more in ow1 but am a support main. Still, it sucks when it feels like I'm doing what I'm supposed to.
@karamei seems like you could be too focused on the results and not the process.
@@blackpope8834 probably. Thanks for the advice :)
If your friends are able and willing to shift their mentality from “fun mode” into “practice mode” does that change things?
Solo queuing definitely makes you a better player. In solo q you really have to rely on your own skills a lot more and adapt to your team. Solo q doesn’t even feel like a team game, it feels like it’s a free for all but with two opposing teams. When I duo the game feels easier and I win a lot more. This is probably because I use comms when I duo and I know the play style of my teammate(I’m tank and he’s dps). When I solo q it feels like when I die my whole team dies right after, or everything is just dysfunctional. This is especially true for rank Gold and below. Once u hit plat you’re able to rely on teammates more, but anything below Gold is chaotic and a toss up to win. For me it was harder to get outta gold then it was to get out of plat.
Grouping - Used to make the games sweatier --raising the SR of the lobby. From my experience --it never really did what it said on the tin and matched like to like, i.e duo against duo.
I reconmended it to players of the same rank looking to move up - just to get them used to playing in lobbies a teir or 2 above -- they would derank, learn - solo back up quickly --that was the cycle.
Its something I really dislike about MMR matchmakers -if its doing its job, you never get exposure to better players and you only get better by playing better opponents.
I feel like the main thing for me when i play in a group with friends is that i play better and maybe its placebo idk, but i js feel happier n have more fun like u said cz its my friend, im ina more relaxed space and do better cz im not raging half the game lmao
i used to play solo for months and eventually found the ow2 discord where people would LFG with certain ranks. I joined some voice channels and really found out what it meant "overwatch is at best when playing with people". The experience is hundred times better for me and ever since im just playing with friends. While its true there is cons to stacking i found out for myself that fun is above all for me. And soloq is simply a tilt because barely anyone talks it feels very empty to me
This is so interesting, me and my friends played some duo and we were just losing right at the end, dropped heaps of sr. Friends left and I was like man I want to rank up so solo queued for 6 games and then won 5 games straight before losing the 6th, because i was getting nervous and distracted because I didn't want lose the streak. Solo Q is 100% the way to go to rank up and improve. And at least in my case I expect less when I play with randoms so I play safer, when I'm with friends they enable the hell out of me, so I make poor decisions. Also, when I'm solo I just don't talk, unless I have to so I'm all the way locked in and my awareness is much higher when playing solo, also probably because I don't have random waffle in my ears.
That is why I play soloq in OW2. I could tell to my friends to play with me and they´ll accept immediately but they are not "competitive enjoyers". I play with my friends basically everything (coop games, PvE, chill games, etc) but when I am in OW2 or Valorant, I am by myself because I know I can focus on "training" and getting better. Competitive games are just for me, the rest with friends.
My playstyle is just to run off and do my own thing, played like that for years and learned to get lots of value in the solo que. Then tried playing with friends and they constantly want babysitting on the payload lol, they also always ask for the typical shield tank or bulk healer. Very hard to play with other people in voice cause everybody knows different ways to get value on their heroes and peoples playstyles and hero pools don't always mesh.
I prefer solo q and here why. In a perfect world where everyone is the same rank. If you solo q you only need to perform better than the other person with the same role on your team. If you are duo+ your WHOLE GROUP needs to perform better than the other group. This not only includes solo performance but also your communication and playing off each other.
This explains why you never see unranked 2 GM videos with DUOS. Its always the streamer going "i will make it to GM on my own"
I truly believe most high level players would get hardstuck in diamond or masters doing an unranked to GM as a duo or trio
I CANNOT win games while stacking. for some reason whenever I am stacking or even duoing I never win games. Even though the people I am playing with are the same rank as me and just as good if not better than me, I lose 60% of my games. as soon as I started solo queuing my win rate increased to 60.
I do find playing with friends much more fun, but I would rather hop on an alt account or off-role when I want to have some fun.
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All I know is solo = hell. Duo with almost anyone = win
Dude… I gave up on solo queuing because in 70% of games I end up having a deranker on my team ( and sometimes more than one).
They just exist for the sole purpose of what their name implies, lose intentionally and go to a lower rank. There’s almost no way to win once you have them on your team (especially if they play tank).
Not sure about consoles(or other regions) but if you are playing in silver or bronze rank in EU, never go solo.
DO NOT SOLO Q RN IN SEASON 10 RANKED ESP IF YOURE A TANK PLAYER
It's way more fun to play a team game with what feels like a team and not a faceless mass of people everyone says no one should talk to. Since, apparently, way too many people are assholes.
sillymaxxing in duo q is a double edged sword
solo over everything, forever
I always play with a 4 stack because solo is just boring
I would rather drown in sewage while being electrocuted simultaneously than play a single game of solo queue overwatch ranked
Skill issue
So real. The people i meet in team chat are just always so weird. If there are even any..
I enjoy solo queue more than playing w freinds. Am I insane?
@fqqno4886 not at all, it's a fun game people just like to exaggerate on the solo Q stuff. Fun is all about your brains health anyways. It's like some people drink "southern style" sweet tea and still say it's not sweet enough. "If it doesn't give me diabetes it's not good enough". Overwatch is a great game but some people have crazy unrealistic standards. Nothing is perfect that is life. It's all about your perspective. If you view everything as less than instead of more than you'll have a miserable life. Life is what you chew on.
We really went from “most team based fps” to “you shouldn’t play with too many friends, also you can get nuked just for using chat”. This game lost any sense of identity it had.
Why is Overwatch so different from how you would practice for a team based sport like Basketball or Football? Is it because the disparity of the potential for a human body performance is far lower than the disparity of potential of skill in Overwatch?
There's such a thing as not solo?
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Are you shirtless in the bit at the end??
Been playing since the 2016 release and I love solo-queuing, it teaches another fundamental skill to climbing ranked which is adapting to your team. For context I’m GM in all roles.
Last night I was playing a support game on midtown attack and I noticed my team was constantly dying to Widow/Sojourn. We had a Roadhog/Widow/Genji/Ana and I was playing Kiriko. I was in the mindset of trying to suzu my Hog when he got purpled, but spoiler alert he never pushed far enough out the choke to even warrant one getting thrown his way. So it got down to the last minute, we had used all our ults to no success so I decided to swap and deal with these damn DPS myself.
It was close, but I swapped to Moira, flanked, found Widow alone to 1v1, AD spammed, killed her, then helped kill the rest of her team and we capped. Pushed all the way to the end with no issues, because I was able to adapt to my team struggling and getting one shot. Even tho my stats didn’t show it, the pressure I put on the enemy DPS allowed my team to shine. Having a broad hero base is part of that adaptability. But at the same time OW2 isn’t everybody’s only game they play, so they can only learn so many heroes.
Giga chads solo que. Kind of cringe if you only play in a group.
this spilo guy is so HOT AHHHHHHHHHHH
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Loophole: Don't play comp 😅
solo q is inconsistent with teammates, teamcomps and amount of teamwork in each game. inconsistent practice is inherently bad practice and leads to reinforcing bad habits like playing overly defensive/passive/poking too much. practicing in solo q will make you better in solo q NOT overall as a player and 5 stacking will forever be the best practice as overwatch is a team game and 5 stacking focuses on the most teamwork required of all forms of playing the game.
My only issue with this ideology is when I’m spending hours practicing to improve I wanna see it translated to results I.e ranking up or winning in general. It’s quite hard to do that if someone is in my competitive lobby practicing their engagement timing with reaper when he should be melting that roadhog yesterday. In my humble opinion we should normalize practicing specific parts of your game in unranked and using comp VOD reviews to learn what tendencies to work on in unranked. Idk just food for thought.
No don't do it lol 😂 you lost me with this vid them solos is the worst in overwatch ever
i love knowing that stacking will only put me with and against stacks now
Not true
@ sorry should've bean more specific about it being wide groups which for me is always true of playing with my friends