So damn true, my parents bought a 2023 classic not too long ago brand new and it's been non stop drop offs at the dealership. Shitty seals, rattles, touch screen bricked up, atrocious ac and heating. After seeing all that the most I'd ever spend on a ram is like 15k, need to set aside enough for all the repairs over time 😂
They're only proving that they had no legitimate reason to raise prices like that. They didn't pay the workers any more to build them. They didn't use better materials.
Just wondering, how much does the average buyer make per year to spend 70k, 80k, 90k on a car? It is just a car. Which loses 30% value just by driving it out of dealer's hall
@@carl16760 I think you guys missed the point … they don’t sell true v8’s now a days since 2013… gotta spend 1-3k buying a tuner lmao. Getting that MDS delete 👍👍 soon for mine lol. You girls even have a truck ?
The turbo is the single biggest reason for increased unreliability in cars and trucks over the past 20 years. Second is over engineered tech. All cars are crap today.
I will never patronize a con dealership who raises prices by thousands, no vehicle no brand is worth over 30K at tops for trucks 25k at tops for any cars.
I am seeing fucking minivans going for like 60k too! And with a 20k slash to 40k, still doesn't seem worth it. On a side note, that Octane red is still a nice color at least.
After the last 5 years of dealer markups and rip-offs. They can definitely keep their engineered obsolescence. Why would anyone purchase a vehicle where you make an appointment with the service center for a repair, before you take delivery. And this isn't just one manufacturer, it's all of them.
I Highly recommend for people to stay away from Dodge/Stellantis new TT Hurricane 6CYI engines ,because they are still having major problems and grenading themselves !!!👎👎👎👎
I’ve researched the i6 and never come across this issue you speak of. I’m curious to know more. Where did you hear about this? How are the engines failing? Is it both I6’s? Is it occurring in both the Wagoneers and 1500’s?
@@silvergeoff568i just assume "interweb" hype...according to everyone i know and don't know my 2008 wrangler should have fallen apart by now :)...still driving it...non of the 'fortune' tellers are still driving their original rigs nearly 20 year on.
@@michelle-lz8tg I figured as much. He’s one of those folks that has to disparage something to justify his dislike for it. There’s only two issues with the i6. The thermostat that was resolved before it ever made it to the 1500 and a CEL issue on the S.O. that can be fixed with a couple tanks of premium gas. I’ve spent countless hours on Ram user forums researching before I bought my 25 Laramie. He’s clearly speaking from the great kiester of knowledge.
Remember, a 50% increase on a $50k vehicle makes it $75k ($50*1.5). A 30% reduction on a $75k vehicle makes it $52.5k ($75*0.7) which puts it about even. For example, a stock has to go up 100% to double but only needs to go down 50% to get cut in half.
Bring back true lifetime warranty. Then you will either see that your product is good and you don't have to warranty it much or it really sucks and you can't afford to continue to warranty it for life. Put the iron in the fire and we will see.
The last Jeep I bought was a 2007 trail rated Jeep liberty for $22,000. I really loved that Jeep but, it would take a sale price of under $30,000 to get me to buy a new one.
I have a Jeep and RAM and love them both. Pricea are now so high and quality is so low, let them rot on the lot! Get quality up and prices realistic, I may go back, but not now!
They can knock off 50% and none of the 219 ram dealers in Our area will sell anything... 1 truck sale a week isn't enough too keep the dealerships going... lots of franchises will be broke by spring... 😂...
Considering the Fact, that they are purveyors of Rolling Piles Of Junk, their outright refusal to drop prices to reasonable levels and stop 'playing games', more power to the consumers. People have had enough, period !! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Discounts won't be enough if it doesn't bring the price down low enough to align with real incomes of people who actually want the vehicles. Automakers can think whatever they want but when they when they can't produce a vehicle cheap enough to appeal to the average person they're not going to sell them.
If the Mark up is 50% , They could very easily do a 30-35% off MSRP , Then raise Warranties by 20-15% to Balance the books ................... At least You would have a little more confidence that When , NOT if your truck breaks you can take it in to get it fixed at the Manufactures expense ................
See if you can swing a decent lease on these. If the turbo engine fails, not your problem. Massive depreciation, not your problem. In three years, there should be cheaper and better built ones on the lots once the EV’s are flushed out of the pipeline.
It doesn't make sense for the consumer to even go to a dealer and look. Unreliable, cheaply made plastikish throwaway cars, that can't even last the warranty period, have MSRPs "North" of $50k ...Thanks but NO thanks !
you have to keep it all relative though...i remember when cars started to go above 20K...they sky was supposed to fall then and that was decades ago...now 40k is considered cheap...soon 100k will be the floor...and the sun will still rise and set as usual once peoples incomes catch up.
I don’t buy junk no matter what the discount! Would you buy a steak that you can’t eat or a new house that is falling apart because it’s on sale for half price? Let em rot until they can make quality and lower the prices, not to mention give the consumers what they want in a vehicle.
People are buying. Don’t be fooled. Lots are full because manufacturers want the dealers to have every possible variant of every model. If you don’t buy, someone else will.
These people comment they don’t even know what poor quality is or an unreliable car is everything made. Today is reliable. Keep yapping about recalls recalls are driven nonsense. Most of them are software updates that are done over the air. They act like these trucks break down on the side of the road every three monthsit’s all nonsense all click bait. I have a 2022 RAM unlike the 1980s the panels lineup perfectly and the interior is incredible.
Make diesel pickups and 18 wheel tractors go back to 2007 pollution standards instead have manufacturers install small diesel engines to run head and ac when parked
CDJR is garbage tier - has been for 50 years. Their MSRP needs to be 35% less compared to Toyota and Honda for people who don’t value quality to buy that trash. Me? They can’t lower the prices enough for me to drive garbage.
@@WheelsandWallets I just got one and I hope they will solve that issue with a more robust Thermostat and not F-N plastic. So far, amazing truck to ride !!!!!!!!!!
@@alp3781 don't listen to these you tubers every day is the end of the world with them and their stupid comments u bought a new truck good luck and enjoy it yes we know everything is a rip off we all figured that out by now ,it's up to us as consumers we want to commit to buying expensive cars the days of 1990 prices are never coming back people so if u enjoy driving your 30 year old cars with no payments good for u but stop the b s hating on the people who like new things.
These companies need to just stop putting so much tech in these vehicles why da fuck do we need wifi and a 24 in screen with heated steering wheel and a tail gait that can open 8 different ways. Shits hilarious how out of touch theses companies are with the average joe
I test drove 3 Chevys a 2019 2020 a 2021 the 19 and 2021 were Chevy Malibu's the 19 had 124k miles and the 2021 had 61k miles they ran like crad the suspension on bother were shot and the interiors were so cheap looking the 2020 was and equinox and it ran like crap it needed a new suspension as well .. I wouldn't buy a chey after I test drove those cars
ruclips.net/video/JKNYLDB1eJ4/видео.htmlsi=3sBwlMvoqLc4F_W3 This video has a ram pick up truck $30,000 off and you can visually see it on the window sticker the dealership puts a separate yellow sticker with the discount below it
If they went down to $5000 they might move. Who wants one of these failing piles of junk? Not I. I would give them $1000 for one of those plastic Warlocks.
DODGE IS JUNK. They used to be very good Trucks back when they had 360 magnum and 318 engines. And the manual Transmissions where solid. The hemi is a ticking pile of junk. The commins still is good except the DEF system sucks.. but still the automatic transmissions fail and as much as they cost. Thats unexceptable to pay that much for a 🍋 lemon. Very disappointed in DODGE Mopar
20 percent off a price that is 50 percent too high. How funny.
Dodge/Stellantis they need to cut there prices by Minimum 47% on all there vehicles !!!
That’s very specific my man 😂
I'd even be generous and say 40%.
So out of touch. What idiots set those prices?
Can’t believe that jeep sport s is $47,900. Crazy f that
They must think the average consumer makes $200,000.00 take home a year.
@@Dram_bam only 47,900. If someone is stupid enough to buy it 🤔, knock off 20k and I will give it a little thought
Frankly even 30k is too much for these cars
If you factor in the poor reliability issues I agree
So damn true, my parents bought a 2023 classic not too long ago brand new and it's been non stop drop offs at the dealership. Shitty seals, rattles, touch screen bricked up, atrocious ac and heating. After seeing all that the most I'd ever spend on a ram is like 15k, need to set aside enough for all the repairs over time 😂
No thanks. I learned from my first 2 Rams that I have to buy them super cheap to make up for all the problems I'll have.
They're only proving that they had no legitimate reason to raise prices like that. They didn't pay the workers any more to build them. They didn't use better materials.
The price increase is to cover EV losses, which the government is forcing them to sell.
They are going to stay full too. The quality alone is enough to say hell no to Stellantis built products.
Just wondering, how much does the average buyer make per year to spend 70k, 80k, 90k on a car? It is just a car. Which loses 30% value just by driving it out of dealer's hall
i work at an auto auction, we get tons of stellantis trucks/jeeps etc and with under 10k miles cant fetch $40k...they suck and everyone knows it..
The price drops haven’t manifested yet. Stellantis may have put them out. But the dealerships aren’t marketing it yet hoping to catch suckers.
Naturally aspirated V8 is the way to go.
Is it really Natural Aspirated if the Cylinder deactivation try’s to make that choice for you haha. ???
@@WorkingOnRocks better than v6 or inline 4 which most companies are going for
@@WorkingOnRocks you love 4 cyl. turbos....have at it.
@@carl16760 I think you guys missed the point … they don’t sell true v8’s now a days since 2013… gotta spend 1-3k buying a tuner lmao. Getting that MDS delete 👍👍 soon for mine lol.
You girls even have a truck ?
It's literally cheaper just to go buy an old 1980s truck and keep fixing it up. They were built 10 times better back then anyway.
For a Coyote swap 90s bronco would cost me less than a brand new truck 😂
The turbo is the single biggest reason for increased unreliability in cars and trucks over the past 20 years. Second is over engineered tech. All cars are crap today.
$47k for a 2-door Wrangler? Insanity.
20 k discount on a vehicle that is 30 to 40 k over priced 🤷
I will never patronize a con dealership who raises prices by thousands, no vehicle no brand is worth over 30K at tops for trucks 25k at tops for any cars.
Their greed is absolutely disgusting. I will never forgive them.
I smell lawsuits from people who paid mark up prices and stellantis just devalued the hell out of their vehicles
Why - the people were the morons who bought that garbage. There is a price to pay for being stupid.
Nope. Simply comes down to the old saying “a fool and their money are soon parted”.
I am seeing fucking minivans going for like 60k too! And with a 20k slash to 40k, still doesn't seem worth it.
On a side note, that Octane red is still a nice color at least.
After the last 5 years of dealer markups and rip-offs. They can definitely keep their engineered obsolescence. Why would anyone purchase a vehicle where you make an appointment with the service center for a repair, before you take delivery. And this isn't just one manufacturer, it's all of them.
For $67K, you can get a 2025 4Runner Platinum iForce Max, loaded with every option.
I wouldn’t get a 4Runner just a 4 cylinders for 67k
Still a waste of money
I Highly recommend for people to stay away from Dodge/Stellantis new TT Hurricane 6CYI engines ,because they are still having major problems and grenading themselves !!!👎👎👎👎
I’ve researched the i6 and never come across this issue you speak of. I’m curious to know more. Where did you hear about this? How are the engines failing? Is it both I6’s? Is it occurring in both the Wagoneers and 1500’s?
@@silvergeoff568i just assume "interweb" hype...according to everyone i know and don't know my 2008 wrangler should have fallen apart by now :)...still driving it...non of the 'fortune' tellers are still driving their original rigs nearly 20 year on.
@@michelle-lz8tg I figured as much. He’s one of those folks that has to disparage something to justify his dislike for it. There’s only two issues with the i6. The thermostat that was resolved before it ever made it to the 1500 and a CEL issue on the S.O. that can be fixed with a couple tanks of premium gas. I’ve spent countless hours on Ram user forums researching before I bought my 25 Laramie. He’s clearly speaking from the great kiester of knowledge.
Remember, a 50% increase on a $50k vehicle makes it $75k ($50*1.5). A 30% reduction on a $75k vehicle makes it $52.5k ($75*0.7) which puts it about even. For example, a stock has to go up 100% to double but only needs to go down 50% to get cut in half.
Reliability needs to get better for me to even consider them.
They are not even on my radar.
Bring back true lifetime warranty. Then you will either see that your product is good and you don't have to warranty it much or it really sucks and you can't afford to continue to warranty it for life.
Put the iron in the fire and we will see.
Everyone knows quality isn’t there. Imagine towing a trailer and it breaks down. Quality matters.
still better that a Chevy
The last Jeep I bought was a 2007 trail rated Jeep liberty for $22,000. I really loved that Jeep but, it would take a sale price of under $30,000 to get me to buy a new one.
They lowered the price by cutting more corners in 2025. You are getting more plastic now. Enjoy your 5% discount.
20 K that it. When price jump 80 % last 3 years or so
I have a Jeep and RAM and love them both. Pricea are now so high and quality is so low, let them rot on the lot! Get quality up and prices realistic, I may go back, but not now!
$60k+ for a truck with a 3 year warranty? How does that not sound fishy?
There supposed to come down by 30% and 40 on some vehicles. That just hadn't hit lots yet, and few people know about it
Even if they weren't overpriced, still wouldn't buy a 1/2 ton with 6 cylinder
I’m surprised that Stellantis dealer hasn’t trespassed you yet 😂
They can knock off 50% and none of the 219 ram dealers in Our area will sell anything... 1 truck sale a week isn't enough too keep the dealerships going... lots of franchises will be broke by spring... 😂...
Considering the Fact, that they are purveyors of Rolling Piles Of Junk, their outright refusal to drop prices to reasonable levels and stop 'playing games', more power to the consumers. People have had enough, period !! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Discounts won't be enough if it doesn't bring the price down low enough to align with real incomes of people who actually want the vehicles. Automakers can think whatever they want but when they when they can't produce a vehicle cheap enough to appeal to the average person they're not going to sell them.
If the Mark up is 50% , They could very easily do a 30-35% off MSRP , Then raise Warranties by 20-15% to Balance the books ................... At least You would have a little more confidence that When , NOT if your truck breaks you can take it in to get it fixed at the Manufactures expense ................
I've been looking for a truck for the last 2 years. Not buying a basic f-150 for 40k. I'll keep driving my Jeep until the prices get reasonable
RAM 1500 4*4 with 5.7 hemi.
Bought mine new in 19 for 34k.
See if you can swing a decent lease on these. If the turbo engine fails, not your problem. Massive depreciation, not your problem.
In three years, there should be cheaper and better built ones on the lots once the EV’s are flushed out of the pipeline.
Turbo actuators are going to be an issue on the hurricane.
I can do this, too. i usually charged 5k to mow a lawn, but because im awesome, I'll do it for 2500. 😂
It doesn't make sense for the consumer to even go to a dealer and look.
Unreliable, cheaply made plastikish throwaway cars, that can't even last the warranty period, have MSRPs "North" of $50k ...Thanks but NO thanks !
Bring back the Cross Hair Grill on the Rams
if they can fulfill the 35% rumor, I'd probably buy a Wagoneer or Ram 1500. Mathematically, 50% up and then 35% down is about where the price was.
Be smart. I put 10,000 into my used car. Runs way better than any new car and it's paid off.
The quality isn't there. All the discounts in the world won't make up for the costs of maintenance, repairs over the life of the car note.
My RAM 2500 Laramie 6.7L Cummins was 79K. I would buy a new one if I could get it for 59K.
Most rams arent even v8 anymore. Its stupid
It isn't just the price, it's the quality and the new Tavares powertrains nobody trusts.
It’s not going to work because people don’t make that kind of money to pay for a 60k vehicle.
Where do i get $30k off on ram 1500 ill buy one tomorrow
what they need to do is simply the vehicles and get rid of some of the features that are not necessary for the driving of the vehicle.
you have to keep it all relative though...i remember when cars started to go above 20K...they sky was supposed to fall then and that was decades ago...now 40k is considered cheap...soon 100k will be the floor...and the sun will still rise and set as usual once peoples incomes catch up.
FORD = Failed Often Repair Daily
Imma wait for the buy 1 get 2 free sale
Ford has always been the recall King that made me laugh hard. Quality is job none. Can't forgive Ford what they did with the Pinto
Nope. Still too high. 50% min and 0% and they need to put V8 back in trucks.
Let um sit and ROT! No v8...NO CUSTOMER
20% aint nothing on something thats way more marked up than reasonably priced.
Wait until its common knowledge the exotic twin turbo 6 drinks gas just about as much as a dumb easy going V8
Failed at the number one rule: Supply and Demand is Consumer Driven
47k for Wrangler Sports? wow
Cuts haven't started yet....
Just don’t buy them easy peasy. Let the free market work its legs
I don’t buy junk no matter what the discount! Would you buy a steak that you can’t eat or a new house that is falling apart because it’s on sale for half price? Let em rot until they can make quality and lower the prices, not to mention give the consumers what they want in a vehicle.
way overpriced the 1500 trucks should be around 40k if they want to sell them
I've seen wranglers for 27k. Not bad.
Why don't Dodge, Jeep, and Ram just change the date from 2023 to 2025 on the sticker😊
Illegal
Stellantis does not make a vehicle I’m even slightly interested in.
People are buying. Don’t be fooled. Lots are full because manufacturers want the dealers to have every possible variant of every model. If you don’t buy, someone else will.
There are always broke people filling the comments in every video.
These people comment they don’t even know what poor quality is or an unreliable car is everything made. Today is reliable. Keep yapping about recalls recalls are driven nonsense. Most of them are software updates that are done over the air. They act like these trucks break down on the side of the road every three monthsit’s all nonsense all click bait. I have a 2022 RAM unlike the 1980s the panels lineup perfectly and the interior is incredible.
What happened to the “gas guzzler tax” lol
DON'T BUY ! They will have to come down more. Buyers have them on the run so wait wait wait
all these price cuts in my area are for stellantis employees only
Make diesel pickups and 18 wheel tractors go back to 2007 pollution standards instead have manufacturers install small diesel engines to run head and ac when parked
CDJR is garbage tier - has been for 50 years. Their MSRP needs to be 35% less compared to Toyota and Honda for people who don’t value quality to buy that trash. Me? They can’t lower the prices enough for me to drive garbage.
No, it hasn't.
Dope there covered
What kind of issues does the I6 Ram engine have? From what I’ve researched it’s been reliable
They had a thermostat issue that became a bigger issue because of a parts shortage
But time will tell
@@WheelsandWallets I just got one and I hope they will solve that issue with a more robust Thermostat and not F-N plastic. So far, amazing truck to ride !!!!!!!!!!
It's not necessarily that the 6 cylinder has problems, but a lot of people want a V8 in a full sized truck, which they no longer offer.
@ I’m okay with an I6. It has plenty of power for what I need.
@@alp3781 don't listen to these you tubers every day is the end of the world with them and their stupid comments u bought a new truck good luck and enjoy it yes we know everything is a rip off we all figured that out by now ,it's up to us as consumers we want to commit to buying expensive cars the days of 1990 prices are never coming back people so if u enjoy driving your 30 year old cars with no payments good for u but stop the b s hating on the people who like new things.
Junk junk junk
These companies need to just stop putting so much tech in these vehicles why da fuck do we need wifi and a 24 in screen with heated steering wheel and a tail gait that can open 8 different ways. Shits hilarious how out of touch theses companies are with the average joe
Bring back the Hemi...
I test drove 3 Chevys a 2019 2020 a 2021 the 19 and 2021 were Chevy Malibu's the 19 had 124k miles and the 2021 had 61k miles they ran like crad the suspension on bother were shot and the interiors were so cheap looking the 2020 was and equinox and it ran like crap it needed a new suspension as well .. I wouldn't buy a chey after I test drove those cars
Those cars are foolishness in todays economy
Please show us this $30k off
ruclips.net/video/JKNYLDB1eJ4/видео.htmlsi=3sBwlMvoqLc4F_W3
This video has a ram pick up truck $30,000 off and you can visually see it on the window sticker the dealership puts a separate yellow sticker with the discount below it
Where the V8s? 🤔
V6 garbage 🗑️ Turbo keep it
If they went down to $5000 they might move. Who wants one of these failing piles of junk? Not I. I would give them $1000 for one of those plastic Warlocks.
The i q of auto manufacturers is 0
All garbage. I wouldn't buy a stelly product if i found the money in the street.
I’m excited for others to buy a new vehicle. I still won’t touch that crap. Maybe they will be affordable by 2030? I won’t hold my breath.
Atleast they are recognizing the issue, unlike Ford and GMC still thinking their stuff is gold.
Overpriced Low Quality Built Vehicles, Bet 97%Of Em Have Recalls On Them And Haven't Even Been Sold..😅😅😅😅😅😅
"will it do anything....probably not". You're an idiot if you think rebates and price reductions won't move cars.
80% discount
I dont feel bad for them they are also the problem
Every vehicle on the market is overpriced!
DODGE IS JUNK. They used to be very good Trucks back when they had 360 magnum and 318 engines. And the manual Transmissions where solid. The hemi is a ticking pile of junk. The commins still is good except the DEF system sucks.. but still the automatic transmissions fail and as much as they cost. Thats unexceptable to pay that much for a 🍋 lemon. Very disappointed in DODGE Mopar
Maybe BOGO?
Stellantis is a shat company, let them fail.