6:07 Thanks William MacQuitty for your production of this awesome film "A Night to Remember". Btw the soundtrack composer of it was alive for only ten more days after Robert Ballard's expedition found the Titanic's wreck. His name was William Alwyn, and he died on September 11 1985
The Belfast crews put their hands and hearts into building the Titanic. It's such a shame that Managing Director J. Bruce Ismay and Captain Edward J. Smith threw it all away in hubris and casual recklessness.
The Titanic's troubles begin with her very name. Titanic is the adjective for Titan, and the Titans in Greek mythology were a race who waged war against Zeus, the so-called "god of gods." This is the part of the story that seems familiar to quite a few. The part that seems unknown to most, shipowners at the time included, is that - guess what - the Titans lost. So, the Titanic was eventually defeated by her very name, as it were - and during her maiden voyage, at that .
Those Harland and Woolf workers shouldn't have been blamed or have felt shame. It wasn't the ship's fault either. It was because of because of a captain who paid attention to some iceberg warnings and ignored others and did as what was commonplace, go full speed through ice. She hit the berg and suffered more damage than she was designed for. I have grieved the loss of 1496 victims as well as the loss of that beautiful liner for as long as I have been interested in the Titanic.
Titanic horse racing, it was all a big have,it was the Olympic that went under the water,you can see the letters still on the ship,it was battered twice and a fire,they were not to be saved,they were just going to shuttle it.goverment new about it.
7:04 She was launched on May 31st that year and the last survivor of the sinking Eliza Gladys "Millvina" Dean died in 2009 on - guess what day - May 31st.
Walter Lord in "The Night Lives On" said the word went around that there were dairy cows, regulation tennis courts, and also a golf course on the Titanic
The Titanic is alas a tragedy born in Belfast all right and the way those thousands of workers responded when they learned of what happened to their product is very telling of how proud they were of it. American painter and illustrator Ken Marschall said in "Titanic: The Complete Story" (A&E) "they were reduced to tears they took it to heart".
Mike that is the biggest slap in the face to the 1,503 lives lost on TITANIC. I realize that the conspiracy theories will always exist, and yes the wing propeller (which is the ONLY propeller visible) on the wreck is stamped with the yard number 401 which is Titanic's yard number, and when Olympic collided with HMS Hawke they used Titanic's wing propeller and shaft to repair Olympic after the wreck, that doesn't mean that White Star Line and Harland and Wolff conspired to switch the ships. I'll admit that it sounds like a good idea after Olympic was damaged so badly from the accident, but it's just not possible to switch a ship that had been in service for a year for a ship that hadn't even made a single voyage. Even today that would be an impossible feat. While Titanic and Olympic were sister ships and were built to the same specifications and plans, there were multiple differences between Titanic and Olympic. Please understand that I am not trying to argue with you, but you have to think of the reality of how different the deck plans are between the two ships, along with the fact that the Titanic was BRAND NEW while Olympic was in service for a year...that's a year of wear on the carpeting, the linoleum, the paint, the beds, the walls, everything. There's just no way that the two ships could've been switched in that amount of time as EVERYTHING would've had to have been moved from Titanic to Olympic and vice versa. Insurance fraud or not, there's just no possible way that the switch theory could hold up...but I'll agree that it's interesting. I'm 41 years old and I've been researching Titanic ever since I was six years old, so 35 years now, and I didn't find out about the switch theory until I was about 14 years old, and even then I knew that it was impossible. WSL and H&W would've NEVER sacrificed 1,503 lives and what could've lead to the ruination of both of their companies and reputations for an insurance scam. James Bruce Ismay was exiled for his survival of the shipwreck. It ruined his life, and pretty much led to the downfall of his father's company. Cunard exists to this day, but the WSL was forced to merge with Cunard in 1934 and Cunard dropped the WSL name back on December 31st, 1949. I'm just saying, if you knew all of the history and the facts you'd realize that there was nothing to gain by the switch theory. The Olympic was the ONLY ship of the class that had a successful career.
Unfortunately, this documentary begins by saying it was about the Victorian Era's greatest maritime achievement, when in fact that the Olympic class of liners were actually conceived, built and went into service during the Edwardian Era. This era lasted until the outbreak of WW1, the beginning of the Modern Era.
Speaking of the rivets I occasionally still hear this story too that Harland & Wolff used shoddy low-quality materials but this may be debunked some time. Harland & Wolff wouldn't have wanted to go to court if anything serious ever happened to their ships out there so I hear that as a result they would've made sure to shy away from shoddy substandard materials and resources. Harland & Wolff was reportedly very proud of its products and again I think that can be tellingly illustrated for instance by accounts about how those thousands of Ulstermen who built the Titanic "were reduced to tears; they took it to heart" (Ken Marschall in A&E's "Titanic: The Complete Story")
First was The Titanic or The Olimpic which sank while hitting the side of an Iceberg in 1912 and did they use a number three of four-grade steel rivets.
What most people don't understand is that back then lifeboats weren't thought of as a way to save lives, they were thought of as a way to ferry passengers to another passing ship in the case of disaster as back then it was thought that there were so many ships traveling across the Atlantic that there would always be a ship nearby in case of an accident. It was also code of the British Board of Trade that vessels of 10,000 tons or more would carry 16 lifeboats. Alexander Carlisle (Titanic's original chief designer and brother-in-law to Sir William Pirrie) planned for Titanic to carry 64 lifeboats, but he was overruled by James Bruce Ismay and Sir William Pirrie as they thought that the amount of lifeboats would make the boat deck look "too cluttered" which was said in the 1997 Titanic movie. They thought that Titanic, with the watertight doors, her unique bulkhead system (which didn't reach high enough in the hull), and her automatic door lowering system made her unsinkable. Boy how wrong they really were. However, if the officer in charge (William McMaster Murdoch) had collided head on with the iceberg the Titanic would've survived, but he steered out of the way trying to sideskirt it. How ironic.
Curiously enough, Titanic had enough space for First Class passengers and the ship's officers--but not anyone else. Also, ferrying passengers only works in a few situations. Even on the day of the Southampton departure, officials were begging Ismay to add on 32 lifeboats. The ferry concept is a bs excuse crafted after the sinking, afaik.
I think the trouble with that approach is by the time the "ferries" made one trip and came back the stricken ship might've been in a far more precarious situation if not already beneath the water. So with a full lifeboat complement and a nice and properly trained crew it would've all been more effective and faster everyone would've been evacuated at the same time. The normally stormy North Atlantic is no place for such "ferries" especially if the crew had to row (the boats weren't motorized) the poor crew would've for sure been exhausted from rowing in choppy waters. That night the sea was "like a millpond" (Ruth Becker) and it seems largely forgotten that this is really the exception on the North Atlantic. (And the very fact that it was so calm makes it very easy for people now to think of lifeboats as "ferries") Also the word was spread at the time that the North Atlantic run was so busy "there are always other ships nearby if anything happens." The Titanic was doubtless no exception the Californian was only 10mi away or most probably less than that (donkey boilerman Ernest Gill and carpenter James McGregor saw the Titanic's distress rockets very plainly as did the officers) but then (a) she was the one and only ship really close and (b) Cpt Lord just wouldn't do anything (not even as little as wake up Cyril Evans just a few steps away and have him check on the situation). And then apart from the Californian all the other ships contacted by Phillips and Bride were much further away. The Carpathia for just one was no fewer than 58mi from the scene so she needed 3.5hrs she didn't get there until 1h40min after the Titanic slid beneath the water. In closing what real good is a ship nice and "nearby" on "the always busy North Atlantic" if the captain just won't bother?
@@fmyoung Exactly! In my opinion, the message from the Californian at 10:30 pm on Sunday that they were stopped for the night in an ice field meant, You're on your own if you want to act crazy in these conditions." And who could blame them? Californian was an old, decrepit rust bucket and the captain was charged with keeping his crew and cargo intact for the journey across the Atlantic. Wasn't nobody paying him to risk life, limb and ship to rescue the latest and greatest megaship--just because its captain and admin hotheads wanted to play speed demon in a once-a-century icefield littered with huge bergs. Nobody talks about the fact that the Carpathia's engines never recovered from their wild speed rescue of Titanic passengers, and Ismay didn't give them a dime for repairs.
@@egm8602 The Carpathia's engines never recovered? She was out on several voyages yet even during the war and during one of them she was sunk by three torpedoes but that wasn't till July 1918 six years after the Titanic's sinking.
The launch of the titanic wasnt that a biggar deal as the Olympic which was exacty the same as Titanic had already been done and if the titanic had not sank the way it had it would just have been sister ship of the Olympic.
Ya think? Just looked at his Wikipedia page, and strangely, there's no mention of him ever marrying or being married, which is rather odd. Kind of makes me wonder if Goldie ended up jumping ship at some point after the filming of this documentary, thus making a big ole fool of gramps in the process. I see he passed in 2019. I'd be curious to know if she ever ended up getting her hooks on the 'rewards' that (I'm sure) were the sole reason she married pops in the first place? 🤔
We need more titanic docs like this 1. We all know how it ended. I'd like to see more of the building of her
I'd like to see more docs about how she was built also.
Or how she was switced
@@TitanicHorseRacingLoverwhy do titanic enthuthiasts totally forget about the Olympic .
I visited the Titanic exhibition in Belfast and found the experience absolutely amazing. It is well worth a visit believe me.
6:07 Thanks William MacQuitty for your production of this awesome film "A Night to Remember". Btw the soundtrack composer of it was alive for only ten more days after Robert Ballard's expedition found the Titanic's wreck. His name was William Alwyn, and he died on September 11 1985
The Belfast crews put their hands and hearts into building the Titanic. It's such a shame that Managing Director J. Bruce Ismay and Captain Edward J. Smith threw it all away in hubris and casual recklessness.
The Titanic's troubles begin with her very name. Titanic is the adjective for Titan, and the Titans in Greek mythology were a race who waged war against Zeus, the so-called "god of gods." This is the part of the story that seems familiar to quite a few. The part that seems unknown to most, shipowners at the time included, is that - guess what - the Titans lost. So, the Titanic was eventually defeated by her very name, as it were - and during her maiden voyage, at that .
Those Harland and Woolf workers shouldn't have been blamed or have felt shame. It wasn't the ship's fault either. It was because of because of a captain who paid attention to some iceberg warnings and ignored others and did as what was commonplace, go full speed through ice. She hit the berg and suffered more damage than she was designed for. I have grieved the loss of 1496 victims as well as the loss of that beautiful liner for as long as I have been interested in the Titanic.
Titanic horse racing, it was all a big have,it was the Olympic that went under the water,you can see the letters still on the ship,it was battered twice and a fire,they were not to be saved,they were just going to shuttle it.goverment new about it.
32:23 Kenneth More (2nd from left) died in Fulham the same area in West London where the Goodwins lived .
7:04 She was launched on May 31st that year and the last survivor of the sinking Eliza Gladys "Millvina" Dean died in 2009 on - guess what day - May 31st.
I hear Cpt Rostron's testimony was so gripping it made grown men cry
Walter Lord in "The Night Lives On" said the word went around that there were dairy cows, regulation tennis courts, and also a golf course on the Titanic
The Titanic is alas a tragedy born in Belfast all right and the way those thousands of workers responded when they learned of what happened to their product is very telling of how proud they were of it. American painter and illustrator Ken Marschall said in "Titanic: The Complete Story" (A&E) "they were reduced to tears they took it to heart".
The ship at the bottom of the Atlantic is the Olympic not the Titanic.
Mike that is the biggest slap in the face to the 1,503 lives lost on TITANIC. I realize that the conspiracy theories will always exist, and yes the wing propeller (which is the ONLY propeller visible) on the wreck is stamped with the yard number 401 which is Titanic's yard number, and when Olympic collided with HMS Hawke they used Titanic's wing propeller and shaft to repair Olympic after the wreck, that doesn't mean that White Star Line and Harland and Wolff conspired to switch the ships. I'll admit that it sounds like a good idea after Olympic was damaged so badly from the accident, but it's just not possible to switch a ship that had been in service for a year for a ship that hadn't even made a single voyage. Even today that would be an impossible feat. While Titanic and Olympic were sister ships and were built to the same specifications and plans, there were multiple differences between Titanic and Olympic. Please understand that I am not trying to argue with you, but you have to think of the reality of how different the deck plans are between the two ships, along with the fact that the Titanic was BRAND NEW while Olympic was in service for a year...that's a year of wear on the carpeting, the linoleum, the paint, the beds, the walls, everything. There's just no way that the two ships could've been switched in that amount of time as EVERYTHING would've had to have been moved from Titanic to Olympic and vice versa. Insurance fraud or not, there's just no possible way that the switch theory could hold up...but I'll agree that it's interesting. I'm 41 years old and I've been researching Titanic ever since I was six years old, so 35 years now, and I didn't find out about the switch theory until I was about 14 years old, and even then I knew that it was impossible. WSL and H&W would've NEVER sacrificed 1,503 lives and what could've lead to the ruination of both of their companies and reputations for an insurance scam. James Bruce Ismay was exiled for his survival of the shipwreck. It ruined his life, and pretty much led to the downfall of his father's company. Cunard exists to this day, but the WSL was forced to merge with Cunard in 1934 and Cunard dropped the WSL name back on December 31st, 1949. I'm just saying, if you knew all of the history and the facts you'd realize that there was nothing to gain by the switch theory. The Olympic was the ONLY ship of the class that had a successful career.
It's been determined it's actually the Titanic
Unfortunately, this documentary begins by saying it was about the Victorian Era's greatest maritime achievement, when in fact that the Olympic class of liners were actually conceived, built and went into service during the Edwardian Era. This era lasted until the outbreak of WW1, the beginning of the Modern Era.
Speaking of the rivets I occasionally still hear this story too that Harland & Wolff used shoddy low-quality materials but this may be debunked some time. Harland & Wolff wouldn't have wanted to go to court if anything serious ever happened to their ships out there so I hear that as a result they would've made sure to shy away from shoddy substandard materials and resources. Harland & Wolff was reportedly very proud of its products and again I think that can be tellingly illustrated for instance by accounts about how those thousands of Ulstermen who built the Titanic "were reduced to tears; they took it to heart" (Ken Marschall in A&E's "Titanic: The Complete Story")
First was The Titanic or The Olimpic which sank while hitting the side of an Iceberg in 1912 and did they use a number three of four-grade steel rivets.
Unfortunately corners were cut (use of inferior parts and materials) in building the ship which ultimately led to its demise..
What most people don't understand is that back then lifeboats weren't thought of as a way to save lives, they were thought of as a way to ferry passengers to another passing ship in the case of disaster as back then it was thought that there were so many ships traveling across the Atlantic that there would always be a ship nearby in case of an accident. It was also code of the British Board of Trade that vessels of 10,000 tons or more would carry 16 lifeboats. Alexander Carlisle (Titanic's original chief designer and brother-in-law to Sir William Pirrie) planned for Titanic to carry 64 lifeboats, but he was overruled by James Bruce Ismay and Sir William Pirrie as they thought that the amount of lifeboats would make the boat deck look "too cluttered" which was said in the 1997 Titanic movie. They thought that Titanic, with the watertight doors, her unique bulkhead system (which didn't reach high enough in the hull), and her automatic door lowering system made her unsinkable. Boy how wrong they really were. However, if the officer in charge (William McMaster Murdoch) had collided head on with the iceberg the Titanic would've survived, but he steered out of the way trying to sideskirt it. How ironic.
Curiously enough, Titanic had enough space for First Class passengers and the ship's officers--but not anyone else. Also, ferrying passengers only works in a few situations. Even on the day of the Southampton departure, officials were begging Ismay to add on 32 lifeboats.
The ferry concept is a bs excuse crafted after the sinking, afaik.
I think the trouble with that approach is by the time the "ferries" made one trip and came back the stricken ship might've been in a far more precarious situation if not already beneath the water. So with a full lifeboat complement and a nice and properly trained crew it would've all been more effective and faster everyone would've been evacuated at the same time. The normally stormy North Atlantic is no place for such "ferries" especially if the crew had to row (the boats weren't motorized) the poor crew would've for sure been exhausted from rowing in choppy waters. That night the sea was "like a millpond" (Ruth Becker) and it seems largely forgotten that this is really the exception on the North Atlantic. (And the very fact that it was so calm makes it very easy for people now to think of lifeboats as "ferries")
Also the word was spread at the time that the North Atlantic run was so busy "there are always other ships nearby if anything happens." The Titanic was doubtless no exception the Californian was only 10mi away or most probably less than that (donkey boilerman Ernest Gill and carpenter James McGregor saw the Titanic's distress rockets very plainly as did the officers) but then (a) she was the one and only ship really close and (b) Cpt Lord just wouldn't do anything (not even as little as wake up Cyril Evans just a few steps away and have him check on the situation). And then apart from the Californian all the other ships contacted by Phillips and Bride were much further away. The Carpathia for just one was no fewer than 58mi from the scene so she needed 3.5hrs she didn't get there until 1h40min after the Titanic slid beneath the water.
In closing what real good is a ship nice and "nearby" on "the always busy North Atlantic" if the captain just won't bother?
@@egm8602 The ferry thing is just a lame post-disaster excuse
@@fmyoung Exactly! In my opinion, the message from the Californian at 10:30 pm on Sunday that they were stopped for the night in an ice field meant, You're on your own if you want to act crazy in these conditions."
And who could blame them? Californian was an old, decrepit rust bucket and the captain was charged with keeping his crew and cargo intact for the journey across the Atlantic. Wasn't nobody paying him to risk life, limb and ship to rescue the latest and greatest megaship--just because its captain and admin hotheads wanted to play speed demon in a once-a-century icefield littered with huge bergs.
Nobody talks about the fact that the Carpathia's engines never recovered from their wild speed rescue of Titanic passengers, and Ismay didn't give them a dime for repairs.
@@egm8602 The Carpathia's engines never recovered? She was out on several voyages yet even during the war and during one of them she was sunk by three torpedoes but that wasn't till July 1918 six years after the Titanic's sinking.
The launch of the titanic wasnt that a biggar deal as the Olympic which was exacty the same as Titanic had already been done and if the titanic had not sank the way it had it would just have been sister ship of the Olympic.
does the mayor of belfast have money i
think maybe
Ya think? Just looked at his Wikipedia page, and strangely, there's no mention of him ever marrying or being married, which is rather odd. Kind of makes me wonder if Goldie ended up jumping ship at some point after the filming of this documentary, thus making a big ole fool of gramps in the process. I see he passed in 2019. I'd be curious to know if she ever ended up getting her hooks on the 'rewards' that (I'm sure) were the sole reason she married pops in the first place? 🤔
@@dshmechanic